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Dufresne Ministries Podcast
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Hi, I'm Nancy Dufresne. Welcome to our podcast channel. We know you'll be blessed by today's message. I'm just honored and thankful to be with you all today. This is a special time for all the students in Bible school. Bible school. I love Bible school. I know my wife, I've been saying that I don't like school. You know, naturally, I didn't finish my degree in the Philippines. Degree is a big deal. You know, Filipinos, you know, Asians, I should say, because that's the only natural hope we have. But, you know, I'm pretty much a quitter. A lot of things that I did, I quit until I learned about Bible school. Amen. There's no quitting sins. Faith has no quitting sense. So I'm so honored to be here with you this morning. First of all, I would like to thank Pastor Nancy for this privilege. For Pastor Morgan letting me borrow this pulpit for a moment and you know, for all of them. I love the family of Dr. Dufresne. We still love them. If we love doctor, we're gonna love their family. Amen. Even though he's not here anymore, but he's still watching one of the cloud of witnesses. Amen. So I'm so honored to be here with you and thankful to be here with you. And this is a special moment about for the student. There are very few that's given a privilege. Very few made a decision in their life. I'm going to Bible school. And I stand in front of you today, you know, as if the moment, the time that I graduated from Bible school and I'm gonna teach you something that I didn't know afterwards. I made it, but I struggled in some things because I didn't follow through with what was put in my life during that time of Bible school. I believe, as I've seen what's going on in this Bible school, this is really the plan of God. This been in the heart of Dr. Dufresne now is in the heart of our pastor about this Bible school. Not all churches has the anointing to raise up a Bible school. I'm going to read a scripture here in Ephesians, chapter four. And it reflects what this Bible school is all about. For some of you that are thinking, well, I don't have a leading Bible school. Yeah, you might not have a leading the thing with the Holy Ghost, before he leaves you in specific things about your life, he will lead you to the word. Jesus is big in the written word. He is big in the written Word. When he was tempted, he went to the written word. He answered the devil. It is written. He didn't feel the anointing, probably because he was hungry. But he went back. It is written. Everything that he does in his life, it was what was written for his life. So before. The Holy Ghost will lead you into specific things in your life. He will lead you to the written word. First, get this word getting you in your spirit. Then from whatever you have in your spirit, he'll lead you. Because the faith without action is dead. Meaning to say, faith without action of that written word is dead. But the action of the written word is always being led by the spirit. He will lead you to all the action what was put in your heart by the Holy Spirit. Amen. We cannot do without the Holy Ghost so well, I don't have a leading to go to Bible school. I have a desire. That's it. Go and I will show you it. One of the greatest privilege, I believe for me, just for me myself, the greatest privilege is when I went to Bible school. I learned something, I developed. So this morning I will teach you something that is not just suffering to get a certificate very seldom. And you know, the Holy Ghost doesn't talk to me about suffering. He already suffered. That is his call to suffer for us. He always telling me, every time, you know, I heard it from doctor, but I heard it from him, from the Holy Ghost himself. Value the anointing. You have to put a value to it. And many times in our life we have to empty in the natural our bank account to get a ticket to go to a meeting. And the Holy Ghost said, your bank account is not empty. It is not about the money. It is about the valuing, the anointing. You put a value to it. And I'm telling you, I learned that God doesn't settle overnight, but he settles. I know now there are things in our lives. Amen. That we never had before. I mean, we have it in us, but it was underdeveloped. We're still developing, I guess, for the rest of our life here. Amen. And I learned that from Paul. I mean, he's about to go home to be with the Lord. He said that I may know him. He still aspire develop the knowledge of the plan of God. He still aspire to develop his spiritual man. Amen. So let me go to the scripture here and I'm just gonna speak out of my heart because that's the way I minister. I don't speak out of being an echo because it doesn't Work for me. Amen. But one thing you're gonna learn in the ministry. Amen. In Bible school, some of you are getting a certificate, meaning to say, it's not a diploma yet. You got another year. And I hope you didn't make decision based on the COVID virus not to get into the second year because you base your decision based on what the devil is doing. Don't you ever do that? When God leads you, you finish it. There is a faith in you to finish. Amen. Never quit. Don't quit. I could have quit on that Bible school that year. I have no. Financially, I got just enough to pay. I don't even have them. Well, I didn't know. I thought I have a money problem. I didn't know. I have a faith problem. I don't have insurance in my car. My car barely runs. One time it quit running. I have to absent in that, you know, I got to be absent that day because I don't have a vehicle. We live in San Diego. I lay hands on that vehicle because whatever I know to do, I have no money. So. But I got a hand and I got a word in my heart and my mouth. I said, you run in the name of Jesus and start running. I was surprised myself. But he kept going until I finished that Bible school. That situation in our life was not overnight. It keep going after Bible school, but our character, the character of faith develops. Amen. I learned how to worship God that year is only about a year. That year of Bible school, you know, I have to drive back and forth here in the freeway, but I develop my fellowship with God, my worship. How the pressure in life will come on me because, you know, you don't have money, you have a family to feed. And God led me not to go to. Not to go to work. He knows me better than I know myself. He knows I will be, you know, distracted by all these things. He wants me to focus on Bible school because he led me to go to Bible school. It is his plan. That's one thing I learned. When God leads you, he leads you to his plan. And you don't go to Bible school just to get a certificate or a diploma. Well, I suffered. I just have to suffer for two years. No, you're not suffering. You're putting a value in that anointing. You got to think right, you know, you can suffer, but all the things that you're suffering is just to get a diploma. And after that you put it aside, be honest with you. Praise the Lord. I have developed a fellowship with My Heavenly Father that I still remember up to today. And that vehicle that is so, I mean, looks really is poverty. You know, he will fill this with his presence, go back and forth. The pressures of life will come, but his presence will come. All the pressure will leave. So I learned something. I got to stay in this presence. The pressure is still out there, but it doesn't come on me. But the moment I start worshiping God. Amen. The things that I developed over the time that I went to Bible school because about during the time, there's not much traffic, what we have today. So whatever time, at least less than an hour to get here, I spend my time worshiping God and you know, praise the Lord and the pressure will be up. So I learned it up to today. When I'm in pressure, I worship God. I can be able to stand by faith in all those things that's coming on me. So let's see here. For the sake of time, I'm just going to read verse seven here. Ephesians, chapter four. There's so much about this book. You know, they lost this kind of, you know, they lost the love for God, this efficient church. You can see that in the book of Revelation something changed and they forgot their first love. The reason why is I believe they lost Paul, but continue to pray for them. Amen. Praise God. One of the very reason, probably. But you cannot just start and not finish. So let's read on here. Verse 7. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he said, when he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive and gave gifts unto men. Now this is very important, the gifts here is talk about the fivefold ministry gift. And this fivefold ministry gift is, I believe is in the holy of holies. Amen. One part of the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. The things that he needs to give up his life is not only for our sin. One reason is these gifts cannot be given until he go up there in heaven and present it. You know, his blood and everything. Because he said here, verse nine. Now he ascended, what is it? But he also descended. First he has to do it in the lower parts of the earth. Verse 10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens. Now he didn't ascend by himself. The Holy Ghost did, you know, bring him up the work of the Holy Ghost in his life that he might fill all things. That he might fill all things. The Bible said in verse 11. And he gave some apostles this one will not take place until all the things that he has to do give his life, suffered for us and everything. This is one of the main thing. The re. One of the main reason why he has to do what the Father called him to do. He said here. And he gave some. And you know, if there are some, there is most. Most people, most Christians. There are some Christians who will be in this. So. But most will be. Will not in the fivefold. We know that. But most will be in the ministry of help. Praise God. So God treasured the ministry of health. Whatever, whatever measure that God has given to you. Amen. You got to develop it. And look at this. And he gave some apostles, some prophets and some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers. For what reason? Verse 12. For the perfecting of the saints. Sometimes we talk about, well, I have to graduate so I can do the ministry. The ministry is not the first one that was mentioned. It is the maturity. It is the maturity. And this is what you're gonna miss if you only look, I stop, you know, I. You know, I gotta finish. I got to get a diploma. And after a diploma, we forgot about the perfecting of the saints. It is the perfecting of the saints, which is the maturity of your spirit. The nine fruit of the spirit flowing into your life before even mention the work of the ministry. And this is my. My heart's desire is for me to develop. Amen. To develop my character. It's not just a natural character. It's the character. It's the fruit of this. Of my spirit into my life, reflecting the love of God, the joy of the Holy Ghost, all those nine. Amen. So as I work the ministry, those fruit has to flow out of that ministry gift. And I learned more. We're still pastoring a church for a long time now. You might say, well, the numbers might not be in the natural, but I know that the Lord taught me because I asked him, lord, how do you grow a church? Because there's so many things that I heard how to grow numbers. Most of the time they go about numbers. They talk about how many people they have. And I said, lord, I don't have that many people. Amen. Am I not successful? So I said, lord, how do you grow a church? I was thinking about numbers, right? Finances, maybe a nice building. I was thinking all these natural things to show that I'm successful in the ministry God has given to me. So I was asked, see, he is always the first one I ask because there's so many opinions I can hear around. And in the natural. It looks like it's working, but it might be working for them, but it's not working for me. So what will work for me? So I asked the father, Father, Amen. How do you grow church? He said to me, son, you grow first. So he was not talking about numbers. He's talking about me. Amen. That's spiritual maturity. He said, you grow up first, and then the ministry will grow. I still remember up to today. Amen. So verse 12, the purpose, the reason why I'm reading this, because this is the only Bible school that I see that all this fivefold ministry gifts come and minister voluntarily. You'll see the apostle come and minister. Some of them, you may not recognize that they have the apostle anointing. I know one is Pastor Lukatic. He has that anointing on him. Amen. Praise God. And we see what else, prophet. Amen. We know. Praise God. Pastor Nancy is a prophet and a teacher. Right? Praise God. She even pastor for quite some time. Right? So you can see all this fivefold ministry gift, right, is given to this Bible school student. Amen. There's not too many Christians that's given this privilege. Yeah. We can have camp meeting, we can have Holy Ghost meeting, and to see those ministry gifts in operation. But for the Bible school students, every month you see all these gifts. Reverend Richard, who is a pure. You can see the pureness of evangelist ministry. You sat down with this man, and you can see love. Amen. I see how despite of all, you know, some of you heard some of the things that they went through, but he didn't quit. Because I always hear him said, love. There always a flow of love in him. Praise God. Hallelujah. I mean, you learn from these men and women, women of God. Wow. Now you can see how important what you have given yourself into. So for those of you that are still thinking, I may not need to go next year, you better think what you're gonna miss. Well, you know, this Covid thing, we. Well, is the devil leading you? You got to think twice, because the moment you make a decision, I'm not going back because of this Covid thing, you open the door to him. He's just putting a pressure on you, right? Put your mask on. If you don't have faith, doesn't matter if you're the only one who cares as long as you're there. It takes faith, man. It takes like that rich man with Jesus Christ said to him, sell everything that you have, give it to the poor and follow me. Praise God. There is no Problem with that rich man, how to make money. He can sell everything he got and make money again because it's a gift. He has that gift in it. But there was a plan for his life that he totally missed because he will not give up something for his Bible school. The Lord Jesus Christ is his Bible school. The fivefold ministry gift is flowing with that one man, the Lord Jesus Christ. And he will around men that one day they will be apostles. One day there will be evangelists, one day there will be teachers, prophets. One day you'll be surrounded. And I've so thankful I went to Bible school because that's the time that the Holy ghost spoke to Dr. Dufresne. Dad Dufresne. He said he doesn't want me to call Dr. He said, I'm not doctor to you, I'm your dad. I mean, he valued that relationship and I still value it today. I'll never forget Amen. What he did in my life with Dr. Amen. He put something on me that is still with us today. I can't quit naturally. I'm a man, always quit with things. But he put something in me I cannot quit called the spirit of faith. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Praise God forevermore. Because God allowed me. And he prophesied to us. My wife was there. I think she's just a guest at the time. And she prophesied, we will work together. And I was thinking, you know, I sometimes I try to interpret what God said before I can have the understanding of it. You know, I don't want to work in the office. Forget it. Amen. I can't work in the office. So I thought I'm going to work together and I'm working with him in the office. I didn't know we're going to work in the ministry. Still doing it today. That prophecy that was given now it happened when we were in Bible school. The plan of God was defined more and more. But the thing that I'm teaching you this morning is when I that I miss. If I go back after Bible school and do, and do something, it's the character, it's the perfecting of the saints. It's maturing. Amen. They put all of us here. And when you're in Bible school, you got a lot of impartation that nobody not, not a whole lot of Christian ever have. Every opportunity. Some of you still have opportunity to do that. Amen. Praise the Lord. So even though I don't have a leading, I just go to this scripture, maybe go to the scripture I need to be perfected. Amen. I need to be perfected. I need to mature in my life. Just on this scripture, you act on the word of God. Amen. Praise God. Hallelujah. The Holy Ghost will begin to speak to you details of what will take place. So if I will be in your seat right now. Amen. Now go back. When I get that diploma, when I finish that Bible school. Amen. I will focus more on the perfecting of the saints. Maturing my spirit took me a while, but I'll be honest with you. There are impartations that was on you by this five fold ministry gift, messages, teachings that they taught you if you go back. Amen. Because maturing in life as a Christian is not dependent on God. It's not dependent on the five fold ministry gift. It's also dependent on you how you stir it up every day of your life. I'll be honest with you, like what I said, God may not settle tomorrow. But I'm telling you, if you follow this Hallelujah to mature yourself now, your life will be accelerated. It took us time because we didn't follow through. Amen. I got busy with ministry, thought, the teaching, the preaching, you know, God anointed you for the call that God has for you. I thought the anointing that is upon me is enough. I don't have to learn how to love the people. I don't have to learn how to, you know, praise God, just numbers. I don't. I thought. It's just that I thought if I'm man, I lay hands on you and you fall back. The power of God is just enough. But after the after meetings, I struggle with character building. Amen. So the only way that I know of to develop that is my fellowship with God. Amen. And I remember we went through things in our ministry and I'm about to quit because the pressure is so much, especially when I obey God to travel with Dr. Dufresne, with dad Dufresne, I thought, man, you. I mean, this is an honor and privilege to travel with the leading prophet. And I didn't know the pressure that devil and all his cohorts start to gang up. The pressure in my mind. I got to learn how to renew my mind. That's where I learned. And I didn't know that in the Word the Bible said Jesus himself, in the book of Hebrews, he learned. He learned obedience. Even him, he learned obedience for the things he suffered. Well, I got to suffer so I can learn obedience. No, that is the plan that God has For him. He has to suffer on that cross. Amen. Praise God. He already suffered. You don't have to. You might say, well, you know, I suffered for two years to get a diploma. You don't suffer. You're putting a value in that anointing. Well, I got to leave home, I got to put my, you know, after Bible, I got to work just to keep myself going in Bible school. That is not work, it's value. Do you put a value in that anointing? Amen. Just like that rich man. Praise God. Very few will give themselves to it. Very few. Very few people, Christians. It will take them years to develop you as a student. It'll take you shorter than that because there are fivefold ministry gift that comes into your life. The time that you're in the Bible school, Pastor Debbie Simon will be with you. You know, myself, Dean and many others. Pastor Morgan, all the gifts that God has gifted us just for you. Amen. Never go to Bible school. Here we go again. I'm gonna sit down. If you do that, your character is underdeveloped. You go there with perfect in your heart. You go there with the my God. This is the greatest privilege that ever given to me as a Christian. And it will pay down the road for your life. Because that deposit was in you. Nobody can take it away from you. It's there. You just have to cultivate it. You just have to mature. You just have to develop your fellowship with God. That's why I remember I'm about to quit. Amen. But I got all this impartation. Amen. And one day I told my wife, I will not go with that anymore because we don't have any money. All these natural things that I thought we don't have, you can tell we're still underdeveloped. Amen. So God said, turn around after I said that. And the Holy Ghost said, you will be disqualified. So I thought I'd be disqualified because I don't have money. I'd be disqualified because I will quit. I said, lord, I can't do that. I don't know where I'm gonna go. And something came on me. I mean, I was just sitting down, you know, downstairs and I just still, you know, you know, still got the attitude thing, you know, because how can I go? I don't have money. He's a faith man talking about unbelief. But you just don't know until you get into that place. No, that's true. But I recognize I was not in fellowship with my heavenly Father. That's why the perfecting, the maturing was not there. I sit down and the phone rang. And I just sat down. The phone rang. And you know who's on the other line was doctor Was Dad Dufresne. Hey, Brother Mitch. Getting you a ticket. You're going here? You're coming here? I was, got excited. I'm about to quit. But something got on me when I heard that call. From that day on, I kept preaching faith and never looked back. From that day. But I just have to make a decision. Lord God told me, he said, son, you walk on the water. I mean, you step on the water. Walk. Walk on the water. I know that was Peter, but he's talking to me about faith. He said, you step. You meant to say, lord, I was arguing with them. With all this pressure I'm going through, I'm just stepping on the water. Yes, he said, walk. Okay, Lord, I will walk. I release my faith. That's when the phone rang. And because of that decision, I said, I will walk. I know it's faith. The spirit of faith came on me and I never look back up to today. What happened? Where did you get that? Bible school got that impartation, which is underdeveloped. You got to develop it. I know they have a church, but I guess I'm doing it. After you get the certificate, get into the next one. Amen. I always hear Pastor Nancy said, quitters is a dime in a dozen. Very few finish. When God put in your heart. Amen. What God put in your heart to be in the place where you're supposed to be. Amen. That's the plan of God. That's the will of God. Don't quit on the will of God. If you quit Bible school, you just don't quit Bible school. You quit the plan of God. Never quit the plan of God. If God called you in this church and you stopped coming in this church, you just don't quit. You just quit. You just don't quit. Coming to church, you quit the plan of God. Everything in the heart of God is his plan. God put his plan into your life. Praise the Lord. Some of you will be in the ministry of the unseen. Meaning to say, nobody might not see you, but if that's God want you to do, you might be working in the back, you know. Hallelujah. Praise God. Whatever God puts you, you are part of the body. Amen. Hallelujah. God sees you. God sees your obedience. God, in the eyes of God, you are important. We all have one calling, one Lord. Amen. We are all going to put our faith together. Praise God. Whatever part we have to play, it is important to God. There are some that is in the fivefold, but most of us. Most of us. Amen. So before you think about the work of the ministry, you think about your maturity. Your maturity will bring you to all the faces of ministry that God has for you. Why am I not there? Why am I not there? Think about, are you ready enough to get there? Amen. Praise God. Hallelujah. Well, I want money. God can give you money right now. But if your faith is not developed, your maturity is not developed, you'll forget God. And you just get busy with the natural things that God has given to you and the same thing that God has given to you. You can fail if you are underdeveloped. The ninth fruit is the key. That's what the Galatians lost. They lost the spirit of faith because they were underdeveloped spiritually. Amen. Hallelujah. Barnabas, who is an apostle, lost it. Amen. Paul is big. Amen. With a character. Praise the Lord. Amen. Hallelujah. Whoa. Glory, glory. Amen. That's joy. I gotta learn how to develop. Helps me. It brings the anointing. It brings the anointing upon. But the anointing upon is still dependent of the anointing within you. Praise the Lord. We trust you've enjoyed this message. Visit us@DefrainMinistries.org to learn of our upcoming meetings. Share your testimony, become a partner, or visit our online store. This program has been made possible by the friends and partners of defrain Ministries.