Podcast Summary: Worship, Part Two | Nancy Dufresne | Prayer Conference 2019

Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Host/Speaker: Pastor Grant Dufresne (primarily), Pastor Debbie Simons, other ministers
Date: April 26, 2019
Event: World Harvest Church, Murrieta, CA
Length: ~97 minutes
Episode Focus: The transformative power of worship—biblically, practically, and experientially—for individual believers and the church as a whole.

Overview

This episode is the second part of a teaching series on worship, led by Pastor Grant Dufresne and Pastor Debbie Simons. The central theme is the role of worship in accessing God’s blessings, experiencing deliverance, and moving into the full promises of God for this era. The speakers emphasize that worship is not only an act of honor and gratitude but also a spiritual key for overcoming challenges, receiving miracles, and sustaining God’s presence in everyday life.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Heart of the Church (00:17–05:54)

• Mission Over Numbers: Pastor Dufresne shares that their goal is not merely filling seats but facilitating God’s plan for His people, creating an atmosphere for God’s gifts and revelation to flourish.
  • “My job and our heart is to facilitate where God’s plan can come to pass and where the gift ministries … can operate as fully as possible ... when [God] is accommodated, the people are blessed.” [01:18]
• Building on Spiritual Inheritance: They discuss the importance of honoring revelations from previous generations (e.g., Dad Hagin) and not discarding foundations but building on them.
• Stewarding Past Revelations: It's vital to recognize, steward, and walk in the fullness of previous spiritual ground taken.

2. The Restoration and Power of Worship (05:54–12:51)

• Quote from Norval Hayes: “My children basically love me, but they live in poverty and sickness and defeat. They don’t live in heaven’s blessings because they don’t worship me enough.” [07:19]
• Worship as the Key:
  • Praise brings the anointing: “It’s the anointing that destroys the yoke.” [07:48]
  • There is something missing if we teach faith and confession but neglect worship; it is worship that brings God’s fullness.
• The Fruit of Worship: True worship brings joy and victory, not sadness or defeat—a joyful worshiper has tapped into the real flow of worship.
  • “If you say you’re a worshiper but you’re sad, you’ve not yet tapped into the real flow of worship.” [09:08]

3. Skillfulness in Worship During Trials (12:51–18:55)

• Victory Through Worship: Skill in worship and rejoicing ensures we remain victorious regardless of circumstances.
  • Example: Paul & Silas praised God in prison and saw supernatural deliverance (Acts 16).
  • “Our victory is connected to our skillfulness to worship God, no matter what’s coming against us.” [11:02]
• Preparation for Opposition: Believers must be prepared, not just hungry, for revival—skillful worship sustains victory when under attack.
  • Personal story: After her husband passed, Pastor Nancy prioritized staying in God's presence through continual worship, keeping grief and sorrow out (16:15–17:27).

4. Right Approach to God and Receiving Miracles (29:08–54:00)

• Scriptural Examples of Worship:

  • Ten Lepers (Luke 17): Only one leper returned to give thanks and was made whole (not just healed). Worship led to restoration beyond physical healing.
    • “Worship put back what requesting and prayer did not do.” [41:46]
    • “If you will worship long enough, God will put back what was stolen, put back what was lost.” [42:16]
  • Jairus (Mark 5): His immediate response to a dire need was worship, which positioned him for a miracle for his dying daughter.
  • The Leper (Matthew 8): Worship—even with incorrect beliefs—puts you in position for correction and deliverance.
  • Syrophoenician Woman (Matthew 15): Her breakthrough came after she shifted from begging to worship—right approach leads to answered prayer.

• Worship: the Highest Flow of Faith

  • “Let’s not leave off the highest flow of faith, which is worship. Because Jesus called this man’s worship faith.” [43:01]

5. Steps to God’s Presence: Thanksgiving, Praise, Worship (63:43–66:29)

• Approaching the Throne: Drawing from Hebrews 4:16 and Psalms, the speakers explain the spiritual progression:
  • Thanksgiving gets you through the gate
  • Praise gets you into the courts
  • Worship gets you to the throne
  • “You go to his gate with complaining—access denied. … Come into his gates with thanksgiving.” [64:47]
  • Regular, lifestyle worship grants ongoing access to God's presence.

6. Practical Application and Ministry Time (66:50–96:45)

• Invited Response: Those facing crises are invited to the altar for worship (not for hands-on prayer), modeling the pattern seen in the biblical stories.
• Exhortation: Worship should not be an occasional act but a daily lifestyle, especially in moments of trouble or transition.
  • “What you’re doing right now, do it every day. …My number one job was to stay in the presence of God because every answer about all those things are there in the spirit.” [84:29, 16:33]
• No Condemnation: Emphasizes that God's help is immediate to those who turn to Him, and that there is no shame in seeking His presence.

7. Closing Affirmations and Takeaways (87:29–93:07)

• Every Seeker Receives: All the people in the scriptural accounts who approached God with worship received their answers.
  • “Every single one of them received their answer. Every single one of them.” [87:31]
• Foundational Habit: Worship, thanksgiving, and rejoicing must become daily habits.
  • Group affirmation: “Say I purpose to make sure the spiritual habit, habit of praising, worshiping, rejoicing in God is a flow of my everyday life.” [92:41]
• Public Rewards for Secret Worship: God rewards openly what is done in worship privately.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On building on spiritual inheritance:
  “You can’t go on further if we lay down what was brought.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [03:24]
• On the difference between prayer and worship:
  “Any man will pray when they’re faced with a need, but only a man of faith will praise when he’s faced with a need.” — Attributed to Dad Hagin [21:57]
• On God’s ease and our impossibility:
  “There are many things hard for us. But none of that is true about God. Nothing is hard for God.” — Pastor Debbie Simons [22:28]
• Worship opens access to God:
  “Come into His gates with thanksgiving. …You go to His gate with complaining—access denied.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [64:47]
• On the daily practice of worship:
  “What you’re doing right now, do it every day. …How long? ‘Till things change. And then after they change, then worship because they changed.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [84:29]
• Encouragement for all:
  “So live free. Amen. Live helped.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [87:04]
• Commitment response (group):
  “I love your word. I love your will and I love your plan. Because I love you most. Amen.” [92:49]

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:17 | The heart and mission of the church | | 05:54 | Stewarding past revelations; Norval Hayes’ quote on worship | | 10:56 | Being prepared for opposition/victory through worship | | 16:31 | Testimony: Staying in God’s presence after personal loss | | 29:08 | Scriptural case studies: Ten Lepers, Jairus, Leper, Syrophoenician Woman | | 41:08 | The distinction between prayer and worship, confession vs. worship| | 63:43 | The process of entering God’s presence: Thanksgiving, praise, worship | | 66:50 | Altar call for those needing breakthrough—emphasis on worship | | 84:29 | Worship as a daily lifestyle | | 87:31 | All who worship/seek God receive answers | | 92:41 | Affirming worship as daily habit |

Tone and Style Notes

• Tone is earnest, compassionate, practical, and full of exhortation.
• Frequent emphasis on spiritual realities meeting everyday needs—faith meets life.
• Interactive: teachers frequently invite affirmation, agreement, or participation from the audience.
• Emphasis on personal testimony, scriptural teaching, and clear, direct application.

Concluding Takeaways

• Worship is not a substitute for faith—it is the highest expression of faith.
• Miracles and restoration often follow a posture of sincere worship, not mere petition.
• Regular, heartfelt worship positions believers for revelation, correction, and supernatural help.
• God’s presence and help are always accessible through thanksgiving, praise, and worship—irrespective of circumstance.
• The heart’s daily altar—living a lifestyle of worship—is where the believer is restored, sustained, and made whole.

Final charge:
"If my people will worship me, I will do great and mighty things for them." — God’s word to Norval Hayes (reminded by Pastor Grant Dufresne, [91:32])

For anyone seeking transformation, breakthrough, or simply to walk closer to God, this episode is a rich, practical, and scripturally rooted invitation to make worship the center of your daily life.