Worship, Part Two | Nancy Dufresne | Prayer Conference 2019 | World Harvest Church | Murrieta, CA

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Worship, Part Two | Nancy Dufresne | Prayer Conference 2019

Podcast: Dufresne Ministries Podcast
Host/Speaker: Pastor Grant Dufresne (primarily), Pastor Debbie Simons, other ministers
Date: April 26, 2019
Event: World Harvest Church, Murrieta, CA
Length: ~97 minutes
Episode Focus: The transformative power of worship—biblically, practically, and experientially—for individual believers and the church as a whole.

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Overview

This episode is the second part of a teaching series on worship, led by Pastor Grant Dufresne and Pastor Debbie Simons. The central theme is the role of worship in accessing God’s blessings, experiencing deliverance, and moving into the full promises of God for this era. The speakers emphasize that worship is not only an act of honor and gratitude but also a spiritual key for overcoming challenges, receiving miracles, and sustaining God’s presence in everyday life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Heart of the Church (00:17–05:54)

• Mission Over Numbers: Pastor Dufresne shares that their goal is not merely filling seats but facilitating God’s plan for His people, creating an atmosphere for God’s gifts and revelation to flourish.
  • “My job and our heart is to facilitate where God’s plan can come to pass and where the gift ministries … can operate as fully as possible ... when [God] is accommodated, the people are blessed.” [01:18]
• Building on Spiritual Inheritance: They discuss the importance of honoring revelations from previous generations (e.g., Dad Hagin) and not discarding foundations but building on them.
• Stewarding Past Revelations: It's vital to recognize, steward, and walk in the fullness of previous spiritual ground taken.

2. The Restoration and Power of Worship (05:54–12:51)

• Quote from Norval Hayes: “My children basically love me, but they live in poverty and sickness and defeat. They don’t live in heaven’s blessings because they don’t worship me enough.” [07:19]
• Worship as the Key:
  • Praise brings the anointing: “It’s the anointing that destroys the yoke.” [07:48]
  • There is something missing if we teach faith and confession but neglect worship; it is worship that brings God’s fullness.
• The Fruit of Worship: True worship brings joy and victory, not sadness or defeat—a joyful worshiper has tapped into the real flow of worship.
  • “If you say you’re a worshiper but you’re sad, you’ve not yet tapped into the real flow of worship.” [09:08]

3. Skillfulness in Worship During Trials (12:51–18:55)

• Victory Through Worship: Skill in worship and rejoicing ensures we remain victorious regardless of circumstances.
  • Example: Paul & Silas praised God in prison and saw supernatural deliverance (Acts 16).
  • “Our victory is connected to our skillfulness to worship God, no matter what’s coming against us.” [11:02]
• Preparation for Opposition: Believers must be prepared, not just hungry, for revival—skillful worship sustains victory when under attack.
  • Personal story: After her husband passed, Pastor Nancy prioritized staying in God's presence through continual worship, keeping grief and sorrow out (16:15–17:27).

4. Right Approach to God and Receiving Miracles (29:08–54:00)

• Scriptural Examples of Worship:

  • Ten Lepers (Luke 17): Only one leper returned to give thanks and was made whole (not just healed). Worship led to restoration beyond physical healing.
    • “Worship put back what requesting and prayer did not do.” [41:46]
    • “If you will worship long enough, God will put back what was stolen, put back what was lost.” [42:16]
  • Jairus (Mark 5): His immediate response to a dire need was worship, which positioned him for a miracle for his dying daughter.
  • The Leper (Matthew 8): Worship—even with incorrect beliefs—puts you in position for correction and deliverance.
  • Syrophoenician Woman (Matthew 15): Her breakthrough came after she shifted from begging to worship—right approach leads to answered prayer.

• Worship: the Highest Flow of Faith

  • “Let’s not leave off the highest flow of faith, which is worship. Because Jesus called this man’s worship faith.” [43:01]

5. Steps to God’s Presence: Thanksgiving, Praise, Worship (63:43–66:29)

• Approaching the Throne: Drawing from Hebrews 4:16 and Psalms, the speakers explain the spiritual progression:
  • Thanksgiving gets you through the gate
  • Praise gets you into the courts
  • Worship gets you to the throne
  • “You go to his gate with complaining—access denied. … Come into his gates with thanksgiving.” [64:47]
  • Regular, lifestyle worship grants ongoing access to God's presence.

6. Practical Application and Ministry Time (66:50–96:45)

• Invited Response: Those facing crises are invited to the altar for worship (not for hands-on prayer), modeling the pattern seen in the biblical stories.
• Exhortation: Worship should not be an occasional act but a daily lifestyle, especially in moments of trouble or transition.
  • “What you’re doing right now, do it every day. …My number one job was to stay in the presence of God because every answer about all those things are there in the spirit.” [84:29, 16:33]
• No Condemnation: Emphasizes that God's help is immediate to those who turn to Him, and that there is no shame in seeking His presence.

7. Closing Affirmations and Takeaways (87:29–93:07)

• Every Seeker Receives: All the people in the scriptural accounts who approached God with worship received their answers.
  • “Every single one of them received their answer. Every single one of them.” [87:31]
• Foundational Habit: Worship, thanksgiving, and rejoicing must become daily habits.
  • Group affirmation: “Say I purpose to make sure the spiritual habit, habit of praising, worshiping, rejoicing in God is a flow of my everyday life.” [92:41]
• Public Rewards for Secret Worship: God rewards openly what is done in worship privately.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On building on spiritual inheritance:
  “You can’t go on further if we lay down what was brought.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [03:24]
• On the difference between prayer and worship:
  “Any man will pray when they’re faced with a need, but only a man of faith will praise when he’s faced with a need.” — Attributed to Dad Hagin [21:57]
• On God’s ease and our impossibility:
  “There are many things hard for us. But none of that is true about God. Nothing is hard for God.” — Pastor Debbie Simons [22:28]
• Worship opens access to God:
  “Come into His gates with thanksgiving. …You go to His gate with complaining—access denied.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [64:47]
• On the daily practice of worship:
  “What you’re doing right now, do it every day. …How long? ‘Till things change. And then after they change, then worship because they changed.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [84:29]
• Encouragement for all:
  “So live free. Amen. Live helped.” — Pastor Grant Dufresne [87:04]
• Commitment response (group):
  “I love your word. I love your will and I love your plan. Because I love you most. Amen.” [92:49]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:17 | The heart and mission of the church | | 05:54 | Stewarding past revelations; Norval Hayes’ quote on worship | | 10:56 | Being prepared for opposition/victory through worship | | 16:31 | Testimony: Staying in God’s presence after personal loss | | 29:08 | Scriptural case studies: Ten Lepers, Jairus, Leper, Syrophoenician Woman | | 41:08 | The distinction between prayer and worship, confession vs. worship| | 63:43 | The process of entering God’s presence: Thanksgiving, praise, worship | | 66:50 | Altar call for those needing breakthrough—emphasis on worship | | 84:29 | Worship as a daily lifestyle | | 87:31 | All who worship/seek God receive answers | | 92:41 | Affirming worship as daily habit |

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Tone and Style Notes

• Tone is earnest, compassionate, practical, and full of exhortation.
• Frequent emphasis on spiritual realities meeting everyday needs—faith meets life.
• Interactive: teachers frequently invite affirmation, agreement, or participation from the audience.
• Emphasis on personal testimony, scriptural teaching, and clear, direct application.

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Concluding Takeaways

• Worship is not a substitute for faith—it is the highest expression of faith.
• Miracles and restoration often follow a posture of sincere worship, not mere petition.
• Regular, heartfelt worship positions believers for revelation, correction, and supernatural help.
• God’s presence and help are always accessible through thanksgiving, praise, and worship—irrespective of circumstance.
• The heart’s daily altar—living a lifestyle of worship—is where the believer is restored, sustained, and made whole.

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Final charge:
"If my people will worship me, I will do great and mighty things for them." — God’s word to Norval Hayes (reminded by Pastor Grant Dufresne, [91:32])

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For anyone seeking transformation, breakthrough, or simply to walk closer to God, this episode is a rich, practical, and scripturally rooted invitation to make worship the center of your daily life.

Transcript

[Grant Dufresne]

Hi, I'm Grant Dufresne and welcome to Dufresne Ministries podcast channel. We believe that as you listen to this message, your faith will be stirred and you will be encouraged in whatever you are believing God for today. Stay tuned at the end of this message to find out more information about our ministry.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

How many of you say, I'm learning some things. Amen. It is. I was talking, a pastor called me, a precious pastor, and said he had just really found the ministry recently and our ministry. And he said, I walked into the building and it felt like home. And he said, I just want to know what's in your heart. Because he became part of the fresh oil fellowship. And I said, what's in our heart is to provide a place where the plan of God can come to pass. Because in the plan of God, the needs of the people get met. My job is not, it's not my goal to fill up the seats. I want them full. Don't misunderstand me, but there's a lot of full seats where the plan of God is not blessing those in the seats. My job and our heart is to facilitate where God's plan can come to pass and where the gift ministries that come to this church can operate as fully as possible, as fully as they have light on and as the congregation will move on. Because it's the plan of God and it's the word of God that blesses. And I don't want to accommodate people more than I want to accommodate the Father, because when he is accommodated, the people are blessed. Amen. And that's what our staff has been laboring toward. And the ministry of helps providing a place where God can do what God what he has in his heart for the people. Amen. And in that, we again look to what God wants to make sure that we don't lose light of or that not just don't lose the light, but don't lose the momentum of the revelation, that we don't want the light barely there. And so we've been talking in the last few evening services about what God said to Brother Norval Hayes that me, along with anybody else who may see it, that we're stewards of revelations that have come through men of God. And one of the things we want to do in the body of Christ is make sure that we recognize the ground taken by our predecessors, That the revelation, but not only that, the honor for the revelations. Amen. Jesus said, the works that I do show you do also. And greater works, greater works were not offered until we were Doing what he was already doing. That's our job is what the previous generation was doing. It. We must equal it or we don't go on. And there are some who have thought that don't really understand that it's not about getting something different than those who preceded us. It's about walking in the fullness of what those who preceded us brought and then building and going on further. But you can't go on further if we lay down what was brought. We know this. The medical industry doesn't lay down what was brought by previous scientists. Medical scientists and medical finds. They nobody said, you know something. Since we didn't learn, since we didn't find the polio vaccination ourself, we'll find our own.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

No, they take what was already true.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

What already works, and they go further with it. Well, that's.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

We need to pay attention what has.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

God brought and properly steward that. Amen. And so with. We've done that with dad Hagin. We do that around here and people say, you know, well, he's not here anymore. He's dead. Well, so is Paul, so is Peter and James and John. So what kind of argument is that? That you only listen to what is spoken, that originated with someone. Lift. If you find something that nobody else has ever found, you're at risk. Because ain't none of us that brilliant. I want to know what God has said and what God has brought and I want to become skillful with it and go to the fullness of it. Amen. And if there's more to add to it, then God adds to it. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

So we've done that around here with.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Dad Hagin because although he left, the revelation stayed. And it's up to us to make sure that the light continues. For those of us who paid attention about the light that came. Amen. And still continues. And anyone that God raises up and God puts a message in their mouth that we should pay attention. And one of those is regarding with brother Norval Hayes, who recently went to heaven and the Holy Ghost kept prompting me that that light need to not be lost, but we're to steward that revelation and go in the fullness of it. So we've talked about and restated. It's not necessary that God's telling us to preach his spirit, but God is telling us to steward the message that was delivered in the sermons. So it's not so much about what a man said, but find out what did God say through the man and go back and that must be repeated. So God said, To Brother Norval Hayes, and I'm quoting out of his book called Worship. And God said this to Brother Norval Hayes, My children basically love me, but they live in poverty and sickness and defeat. They don't live in heaven's blessings because they don't worship me enough. And we've been talking about in connection with that. Something that dad Hagin would tell us is that praise brings the anointing, and it's the anointing that destroys the yoke. So in stating what God said to Brother Norval, we would be accurate in saying at making this statement in connection with it. When God said, they don't live in heaven's blessings because they don't worship me enough, we could say they don't live in heaven's blessings because they don't worship long enough for the anointing to come into manifestation. Because it's the anointing that makes all the difference. And he said, you're teaching faith and confession and you're praying for the sick. So teaching of faith, teaching of confession, and praying for the sick is mentioned, but God is saying, there's something missing. There's something that needs to be joined with that which you're doing. And he said, you're teaching faith and confession. You're praying for the sick, but you need to worship me more, and you need to teach my people to worship me more. I'm their God and they're my children.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If you'll teach my children to worship.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Me more, I'll do great and mighty things for them. And we could say this. He'll do great and mighty things also through them. We would be correct in saying that. And as we were beginning to say last night is I believe that we're going to have to emphasize praise, worship, rejoicing. All of these are companions.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They each operate a little bit differently.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

But they're still companions together.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If you're a worshiper, you're going to.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Be a joyful person.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If you say you're a worshiper but you're sad, you've not yet tapped into.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

The real flow of worship. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

When we worship and praise God, it's.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Going to change this when we walk out of that place where we've been fellowshipping with God in that flow. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And so I believe we're going to.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Have to give praise, worship and rejoicing.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Its proper place in our lives if.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

We'Re going to see the fullness of what God has for this era, the full measure of miracles, the full measure of healing. The full measure of anointing, the full measure of supply. Amen. The full measure of the fivefold ministries, the full measure of the nine manifestations of the Spirit. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Because we know this.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Paul and Silas, they were in some a. They were in some move of God. Jesus appeared to Paul and said, excuse me, a man of Macedonia appeared. And it was by divine, divine assignment, come over here, come to us and preach. And when he fulfilled what he saw in the vision, the devil was waiting on him, you know, and when we start doing what God's told us to do, the devil's not going to congratulate us.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And we have to be prepared with our victory. When we move with God.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

We don't just want to be mindful and skillful with manifestations of God, but we also have to be skillful with our standards. The victory. Amen. Because when you start being a vessel that God uses, you also become a target.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And so we don't want to overlook.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

That our victory is connected to our.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Skillfulness to worship God, no matter what's coming against us. As we were reading in John 4.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

When Jesus was speaking, and he said, the time cometh and now is when the Father is seeking those who worship him in spirit and in truth. Right? The Father is seeking those who, if we could say this, who know how to worship him. They know how.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

People say, well, I know how. Well, people know how.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

As long as their bills are paid.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They'Re full of worship and rejoicing, Right? When bills are paid, it's easy to say, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. He's my provider. But what about when there's a threat of not enough? We still have to know how to worship him as provider. And the Father is seeking those who know how, not those who feel like it. Because when everything's in place, you always feel like it.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And when things try to get out.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Of place, you feel like worrying.

[Worship Leader]

Or.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

You feel like complaining. But we can't do that if we know how to worship. We know how to worship when it looks dark, when it looks light, when it looks happy, when it looks sad. We know how.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Amen. Skill.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Skill in holding our emotions under holding.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Our feelings, under holding our observances, subject to the word. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Praise the Lord. And this is what Paul and Silas.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Now Pastor Noel this morning was talking about Barnabas, that he was in the plan of God as he traveled with Paul. But at one point, the Bible says he determined. He determined.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It's not good for us to be.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Determined unless God has determined it we.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Should only be determined about what God has already determined.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And it says that Barnabas determined, meaning he got adamant that his way was going to be carried out. And what was his way? He was going to bring his nephew Mark with them on the trip. And Paul said, no, we're not taking him.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Because when he went before and we.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Faced opposition, he ran. Now, Paul did not say that because he was upset with Mark.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Paul was saying that because he knew.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I can't take someone that's not prepared to worship when they're hurting.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He was trying to protect Mark because he wasn't.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

He did not have the skill and the development yet to face what they were going to face with victory. Victory in his mouth.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And all of us have to grow to that place.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And it's not about getting your way. It's about keeping people safe by not putting them in places they're not prepared to be in. God will not put us in places we're not prepared for. We must make sure we're preparing ourselves with his help. Amen. So we say, I'm believing God for miracles.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I'm believing God for healings, which is right. But we also have to realize we have to be prepared for what's going.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

To come against that. Because if we're not careful, all we talk about and all we're aware of.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Is we want God to manifest. We sure do. But we better be skillful in our role when the manifestation happens. And our role is not just to.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Lay hands on people. Our role is Talking about when Dr. Sumrall was in Java ministering to that nation. And in the middle of the night.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

His bed starts dancing.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And it wasn't because he was on it dancing.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It was because he was there.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And the devil was trying to frighten.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Him out of the region.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And all kinds of manifestations. And he basically said, put it back. Amen. Why?

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He wasn't just prepared to go and be a blessing. He was prepared to stand his ground against any opposition that would stop him.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

From being a blessing.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

So we have to realize that this last day revival doesn't just call for hunger.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It calls for preparation. Amen. And we need to be prepared and skillful with the ability to stand unmoved when things are opposing us.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

That we are skillful in staying in.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

The presence of God and his praise.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Shall continually be in my mouth is.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

What helps us to stay in the presence of God. When my husband went home to be with the Lord, I did not start.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Figuring, trying to figure out, what am.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I going to do about this. What am I going to do about that? What am I going to do about this? My number one job was to stay in the presence of God because every answer about all those things are there in the spirit. That was my job. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And the way I did that for.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Days and weeks, my number one flow.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I mean, whether people ever heard me.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Or not, within myself and within my focus and my attention was, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. I worship you, Father. I worship. I've got to stay mindful of him and his presence so that the presence of everything else that needed tending to did not get louder. Oh, that's good.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

That's.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

You say, how did you keep grief and sorrow out?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

That's how I did it. I worshiped.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I kept my attention off of what.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I kept my attention off of events. Events will happen, but they're not worthy of your attention. Praising and worshiping God. Amen. That was how. And this is what God is looking for. Those who. When things happen, what do you do? Amen. Not just what do you know you should do? What do you do? What do you do? Amen. So Paul and Silas, when Barnabas left, God had a replacement. Silas was already on the trip, and Silas was prepared to step in and take over. And Barnabas was saying yes, not just to going with the man of God. Barnabas was saying yes to fighting the fight of faith. Barnabas was saying yes to the opposition he would face in victory. And so they, of course, go and deliver the message that God has for that region. And they were not congratulated. They were beat. They, you know, they did not want. They did not want the little girl in their community free. It's amazing because see you go thinking.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Oh, my gosh, people are going to be so grateful, so grateful that what God has me to say for them and God has me to bring to them, they're going to be so grateful.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

They were.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They were grateful enough to give you.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Residency, the local jail and basically tell them, don't come in here messing with stuff, and whipped them for it. And Paul and Silas, they prayed. Prayer is right. Prayer is what we must do. But prayer is always. And when we talk about prayer, they no doubt were requesting things of God, saying what they were believing, knowing what God would do for them when it looked dark, it said they prayed and they sang praises. Amen. They knew how to worship God. Amen. And God is seeking those who know how to worship Him. Why? Because he can manifest. Don't let circumstances change what you know.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Dad Hagin made This statement, I believe there is a close relationship between ministering to the Lord and receiving deliverance from tests and trials. I believe there's a close relationship between ministering to the Lord, receiving deliverance from tests and trials. Because as Paul and Silas ministered to the Lord at a very difficult time, deliverance was ministered back to them. If we're not careful at a hard time, we think we're the ones that needs ministering to. And faith says, no matter what I'm facing, I know who I'm ministering to, and it's not me worry. Is ministering to your own. Fear? Is ministering focused on you? Then dad Hagin made this statement. Any man can pray when they're faced with a need. Well, we know this. I mean, people will get on television who don't believe in prayer anywhere in a public place or in a school or anything. And when a tragedy happens, they're all calling for prayer. We're just praying. We're just praying. Well, that's fine, but it's hard to learn it when you're, when you've been rejecting it for all the time. But anyway, so dad Hagin said, any man will pray. He didn't say any Christian. He said, any man will pray when they're faced with a need, but only a man of faith will praise when he's faced with a need.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

All things are easy for God. You understand that? All things are easy for God.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

There are many things impossible to us.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

There are many things hard for us.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

But none of that is true about God. Nothing is hard for God. Nothing is impossible in his realm. And worship is you focusing not on.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

What is in your realm, but focusing.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

On what is in his realm. The easy realm, the possibility realm.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Amen. Remember what we were saying on Tuesday night when Smith Wigglesworth was called, along with other people, other Christians to pray for the woman that was with within moments of dying and different ones circled around her bed and prayed, oh, God, comfort the family and, you know, help the grieving father and the grieving children. And Smith Wigglesworth prayed and she was raised up. And he told them after he said, you prayed looking at the dying woman. I prayed looking at Jesus. There's the key. Worship keeps you looking at Jesus praising, keeps us looking at Jesus rejoicing, keeps us looking at Jesus praising. Worship and rejoicing keeps us looking at the one who everything is easy for.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

When something's hard for you.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Now you need an easy view.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

When something shows up in your life that's hard for Human. You have to change the view from hard to easy.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Amen. There are things impossible for men.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Absolutely impossible. Absolutely impossible.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

But everything is possible with God.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And those who believe that get to.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Partake of those possibilities.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

All things are.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You say, well, all things are possible to him that believes. Yeah. It's limited to those who believe. All things are not possible. All things are possible to him that believes. Worshiping is showing. You're a believer. Praising is showing. I believe the devil will say, well, you don't know how. I don't have to know how. I just have to believe.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

The devil will say, that's impossible for that to happen.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Yes. Except for the ones that believe. Amen. In the past, I've told a bit of the story about a woman who, during the healing revival. I don't know her name, but I heard some ministers tell the story of her. They said she was a female Wigglesworth. She lived down in the Dallas, Texas area. And under her ministry. During the healing revival, conjoined twins were separated on the spot.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Whoa.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

That is very notable. Why? Because it is so impossible.

[Worship Leader]

Come on.

[Grant Dufresne]

That's right.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Do we see many impossible situations changed? Do we see much of the impossibility done? Well, do we see it much?

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

No, because people call it hard.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

So when we call it hard, we don't believe. Right.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Because we think it's hard.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Believing means all things are easy. It turns all things easy.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Amen. God does what we do.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

If we call it hard and we approach it as hard, then we're not going to believe. Right. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

So we need to start talking about how easy. Not we're not referring to us when we're talking about easy. We're referring to him. We're referring to him.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You've heard me talk about with all the things that I had financial obligations on. Six and a half million dollars. When Ed went home to be with the Lord and I needed a million quickly. And then you opened a great big love letter from the irs. You know, it doesn't even fit in legal size. It needs its own packet. And when it arrived, I just. I didn't even open it up yet. I held it up. Father, I thank you. No matter what's in here, there's a supply for it.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

What am I talking about? I'm talking about how easy it is for him. Why? Because it's hard for me, but it's easy for him. So praising and worshiping is us putting our attention on who it's easy for. We've got to quit assigning our difficulties to God, just because it's difficult for us, don't accuse him of what our inabilities are. And that's what we do. We approach him based on our inability. And we think because it's hard for us, it's hard for him.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It's nothing to him.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It's nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Yeah, it's so all things are easy. If we call it hard, then we dismiss ourselves from the impossible. We dismiss ourselves from really what is possible. Because we're calling it impossible.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Yes, it's impossible for us, but who's talking about us?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Amen. No help originates with us. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If we call him miracle worker, he.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Will be miracle worker. Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If we say that it's hard for.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Us to get our bills paid, it will be hard for us to get our bills. If we say money comes easy to me, it'll come easy. It is what we call Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And then God can only be what we call.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Luke, chapter 16. Luke, chapter 16. And we want to look at a few of these passages. Luke 16, verse 11. And it came to pass as Jesus went to Jerusalem. Luke 16. 11. It came to pass as Jesus went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And as he entered into a certain.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Village, there met him 10 men that were lepers which stood afar off. And they lifted up their voices and said, jesus, Master, have mercy on us.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And when he saw them, he said.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

To them, go show yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass that as they went, they were what? They were cleansed. That means leprosy stopped. Did I say 16? Is it 17?

[Worship Leader]

17.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Thank you. You're welcome. I've got it wrong in every single one of my places where I note that one. I've got it wrong, but it's 17.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

God bless you.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Luke 17. Ms. Jeanine, can I have your pen so that we can change this? It's bad when the copy and paste is erroneous. Okay. Because some of you weren't sure what happened to these fellows.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I saw that.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

So let's get them cleansed again. Let's go to verse 14 of Luke 17.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And when he saw them, he said.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Go, show yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass as they went, they were cleansed. Cleansed, more founded. Praise the Lord.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It's Scriptural verse 15. And one of them, when he saw.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

That he was healed. I like these words. Turned back. Turned back and with a loud voice.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Glorified God.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

He turns back and he's loud as he's approaching.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He's loud. See the order. He's turned back and with a loud voice, he's glorifying God. Praise God. Praise God. All this he's saying with a loud voice all the way after. He's turned all the way back in.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

His journey back to Jesus.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He's loud. With a loud voice, glorified God.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And finally he reaches Jesus in verse.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

16 and fell down on his face.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

At his feet, giving him thanks. And he was a Samaritan. He hadn't been taught. But you don't have to be taught to show gratitude. I mean, when you're grateful, you're grateful.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Verse 17 and Jesus answering, were there not 10 cleansed?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Now, notice Jesus didn't say, maybe only one. Got it? Yeah.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Were there not 10 cleansed?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Look at this.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Where are the nine? He's asking this man, where are your buddies?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I would have to say, in 25 years of pastoring, I have thought many times, when you look out on the congregation, where's the guy that got healed last week?

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Where is he? Wait, wait, wait. How come I don't see him here? How come I don't see that one that I had marriage counseling with last week? Where are they? Where are they? It's appropriate for your man of God to say, where are you? Where are you? When you receive something from this church, where are you? Well, I go to another church. But if you didn't receive anything there, why are you there? Go where you get something. I'm not talking about stealing sheep. I love what your pastor used to say. He said when people would leave their.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Churches to come to his church because he was preaching a good word and.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Is a word church, and they would leave places where they weren't hearing the Word.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And they'd come and pastors would say, you're stealing my sheep. And he wasn't.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He said, if your sheep were skinny.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Enough to get through the fence over.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

To mine and they got so fat they couldn't get back through the fence. Go where you're fed. Go where you're fed.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I'm not saying be a sheep thief.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

But if your people are starving.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It'S appropriate, just as Jesus said, where are they? Where are they? Where are they? Where are they? When you don't show up at the place where God met your need, you're ungrateful. Jesus called it like a gratitude. Where are they? Well, I had to work. Was your work setting you free? I tell you what, people don't think, right? That's why they lose things.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

They lose things.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

So it is appropriate to say, where Are they? That's what Jesus said. He's asking in front of every where are the nine? Where are they? In other words, there was only one.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Appropriate place for them to be now.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And it wasn't back at home with.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Their family hanging out. It wasn't running with the buddies to.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

The bar and having a party on Friday night. It matters where you go after you're healed. It matters where you go after you're delivered. It matters where you go. You go back to a place of difficulty, you go back to a location. You go back to a wrong relationship. You start texting somebody you should have not been texting to begin with. Devils will come back. They will come back. It matters what you do after you receive help.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Listen, my parents knew.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They taught us how to treat them. If you talked back to my mother.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Just know the next time you talked, you had that.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Because she taught you what was appropriate.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Response and what isn't appropriate response.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And you didn't have to be told many times.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I only was stupid enough to tell her once. I hated her. Once.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I only had guts for one. After that, all the guts were knocked out of me. She didn't have to repeat it.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You go, oh, I can't believe if you didn't say it, you thought.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Didn't take multiple times for me to get the message. It's easy to learn really quick where.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Gratitude belongs and what lack of gratitude will do for you. Were there not 10 cleansed? Where are they? Where are they? Then Jesus is still talking. There are not found that returned. People will return to bars. People will return to wrong relationships and beds that aren't theirs. Texts and emails, they return to everyone's returning to something. There are not found that returned to.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Give glory to God.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Save this stranger.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Is it.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Is he showing us that the ratio is 1 in 10? Who really knows what's an appropriate response? When you receive, I say, our church is a congregation of the One. There's nothing, only one out of ten in our congregation.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If they're taught we can pastors.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Your church can be a congregation of the One. The one that returned. There are not found that returned to.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Give glory to God.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Save this stranger. And then Jesus said unto him, now.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

See what has the man done?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

He turned back all the way with a loud voice. He's glorifying God.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

That's all he's doing.

[Worship Leader]

He's.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He's glorifying God. Praise God. God, thank you so much. Oh God, I'm so grateful. All the way back toward Jesus. Then when he gets to Jesus he falls down, right? And he gives him thanks. Now this is all that's happened. And Jesus said, arise, go your way.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

See, he's still down at his feet giving him thanks.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He said, arise, go your way.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And then he says, your faith. He didn't quote a scripture. All he did was worship, give thanks. And Jesus said, you faith. Our level of gratitude is our level of faith. Jesus called this man's worship faith. Thy faith has made thee whole. Ah, different word. Not cleansed, whole. So notice all 10 are crying out, have mercy on us. What are they doing?

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They're praying. That a type of praying? They're talking to Jesus.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

That's what prayer is, talking to Jesus.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They're making a request. And at their prayer request, he says.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Go show yourself to the priest. And what happens? They're cleansed. The process of leprosy is stopped. But we know that leprosy eats off body parts.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It eats off skin, it eats off body parts.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It eats off toes and fingers face. It eats off what it touches. So the process of leprosy is stopped at the request, but at the worship.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Body parts are put back. Worship put back.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

What requesting and prayer did not do.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Can you see the levels?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

First of all, a leper, they make a request.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Now the leprosy stopped. Then he goes on to worship, and he progresses further into wholeness. I'll tell you this.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

If you will worship long enough, God will put back what was stolen, put back what was lost.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He'll put back body parts. You say you should not tell people that.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

That's what Jesus said.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Your worship made you whole. Your worship put back.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It said, no, no, no, Pastor.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It says, I faith. That's what I said. Your worship, put back body parts.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Amen. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

We think it's simply confession. Confession is right.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It's a flow of faith. But let's not leave off the highest.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Flow of faith, which is worship. Because Jesus called this man's worship faith. Now when he says in Psalms 31, the word says, his praise shall continually be in my mouth. What about this? My face shall continually be in my mouth. How? Through praise. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Worshiping this man's worship gave him what the other nine couldn't have. They could have if they'd worship, but they would not return. There are a lot of people that come to church once and they have.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Relief, and so they take their relief and run. But if you'll come back and learn the Word, God will put back money.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Loss, put back marriages, put back things.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

There will not just be the stopping of a test, there will be return to wholeness.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Amen.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

God's idea of victory is never just.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

The devil leaving you alone.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

The test stopping. It's always everything put back. In multiplied fashion. In multiplied fashion.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And this was a process. As this man took the steps, the process of wholeness was able to work in his life. Amen. Because we can mess things up so much. We can. We can.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I mean, if we act out of.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

The natural and act out of our.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Feelings, act out of our minds, we.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Can can mess things up.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

But if we will just worship God. Worship him.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Worship him. Worship him.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He can so easily fix what took us years to screw up. Why, it's easy for him.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It's easy for him.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

When we worship God, we're reminding ourselves.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It'S easy for him. It's easy for him. Amen. If you'll remember, this worshiping puts back everything lost, whether it's mental, physical, material, money, whatever. He'll put organs back.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He'll put body parts back. He'll put them back.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Well, you ought not tell people that. I didn't. Jesus told us. It's not a false promise, it's not a false statement. Jesus said, your faith, your worship, put it back.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

That's what he said.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It made you whole.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Your worship, your faith, put back what was eaten off out of your life. Your worship did that.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Mark, chapter five.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You say.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Is that the right reference? Maybe, maybe not. Mark, chapter five.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

We think we have so done things that's beyond repair. But I guarantee you, if you'll just keep showing up where you're supposed to be. Just keep showing up where you're supposed to be. And keep your eyes on the one who it's easy for. Mark, chapter 5, verse 22. And behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name. And when he saw Jesus, look at this. He fell at his feet. His first response was not even to talk. His first response was an approach of worship. You understand that the Father is seeking such, right? Let's remember what Jesus said. The Father is seeking such. What's he seeking? Those who know how to worship him. And this man knew how to worship. His daughter is dying. You understand? And his first approach to Jesus is worship. He fell at his feet and besought him greatly. He didn't start yelling before he fell. You understand that? He bowed first. He acknowledged first. He worshiped first. He took a stance and a posture of my life is in front of you. And he besought him greatly saying, my little daughter life at the point of death.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I pray thee, come and lay thy.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Hands on her that she may be healed. Not only did he fall down at Jesus feet, he said the right thing about Jesus. He said, come and lay your hand on her that she may be healed and she shall live.

[Worship Leader]

Wow.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Worship and right words. Look at the next phrase. And Jesus went, no delay.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

When we worship with the word in.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Our mouth, no delay. He went with him. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

When we acknowledge that Jesus is our.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Help, this is what he did. He acknowledged, only you can do this. So worship was the first act that changed the last result. See, while he's worshiping, she's dying, and then word comes, she's dead, don't even bother him. But what he did first and then said changed the death. You understand? Things that are dead change when we worship with the word in our mouth. Amen. Jairus changed the result because his approach was right. Amen. When things look like they're beyond help, worship puts them back within reach. Now go with us. And we know that she was raised up right. Matthew, chapter eight and verse one. Jairus worshiped with knowledge, didn't he? He came with correct words in his mouth. But I want you to see something else because this one is a little bit different situation. Matthew, chapter 8, verse 1. When Jesus came down from the mountain, great throngs followed him.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And behold, a leper came up to.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Him, and what's he doing? And prostrating himself worshiped him. He laid himself down at his feet. He took the right approach, didn't he? His approach was correct. And he said, lord, if you're willing, you're able to cleanse me by curing me. And we know because we've been taught. He was questioning the willingness. He didn't question the ability. He questioned the willingness. How many of you know that shows not enough light? He worshiped with wrong thinking. But because he worshiped, he was in position to have the thinking changed. Worshiping means you're submissive to correction.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Because many times before our help can.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Show up, something has to be changed in the way we're thinking. But if you worship, you're saying whatever you say.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Whatever you say. I'm saying to you what I know.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

But if you tell me something different, I'll change what I know. Worship. People that worship, they're teachable, they're humble, they're willing to be led.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If you're going to go to God.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

And supposedly worship and tell him what you're doing.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Without the willingness to change.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You're not worshiping, you're pretending. True worship is teachable. It's the posture of someone teachable. So this man, he comes up, he takes the stance of worshiping. He's got reverence, he's got honor, he's got respect right for Jesus. But he doesn't understand.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

What his heart.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Is, what Jesus heart is, and the Father's heart is. And he's thinking wrong.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And so he speaks out of that wrong thinking.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

But at least he's in the right approach. Lord, if you're willing, you're able to cleanse me by curing me. And Jesus reached out his hand and touched him and said, I'm going to change the way you think right now. I am willing. He wasn't just, oh, I'm willing. He was telling him, I am willing. He was saying, I want to change what you think about me. And it went right in to the man. He didn't struggle with that. He didn't struggle with that. Why? Because his approach was worship. So many times we're thinking wrong. But if we worship, we're in position to hear correction. And the correction receives the help. You understand? This Jairus came and needed no correction.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

He had clear, he had clarity.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

He had understanding.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Whether it was because he'd heard Jesus.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Preach multiple times, I don't know whether.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

This leper had only heard accounts of.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

What happened through Jesus. His understanding was faulty. But worship put you in the position to have faulty thinking made right. Amen. Why? When you worship, you're showing, I'm ready to listen. Worshiping is a listening position.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

If you do all the talking, you're.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Not worshiping, even no matter how low your knees are. Amen. If nobody can tell you something, if God can't tell you and you just, well, I'm just going to do it. Well, so he reached out his hand and touched him, saying, I am willing be cleansed by being cured. This amplified and instantly his leprosy was cured and cleansed. The man did the right thing even when he thought wrong. See, your heart can be right with your head wrong.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

But if you'll bring that right heart.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

In worship, then, now God has access to the thinking. Amen. Now Matthew 15, a few chapters later, we see something a little bit different. Matthew 15:22, and this is the amplified translation. And behold, a woman who was a Canaanite from that district came out and with a loud, troublesome, urgent cry, begged, Have mercy on me. Now the words are right, but a troubled cry. Remember the one of the. One of the 10 that when he.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Came back, he came back with a loud voice.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It was loud, but it wasn't troubled.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Just being loud.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You can't have trouble in that loudness. So with a loud, troublesome, urgent cry, begged, have mercy on me, O Lord, son of David, my daughter is miserably.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And distressingly and cruelly possessed by a demon.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Can you imagine what she's been living with? But he didn't answer. But he did not answer her a word. No doubt if the media would have been there. That preacher's mean, that preacher tell you what they're in it for the money if she doesn't have any money. And his disciples came and implored him, saying, send her away. Jesus heart is never send people away. Send her away.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

For she's crying out after us. So she comes to Jesus begging and.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Doesn'T get a response. So she goes to them. And he answered, I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He's answering her not because of her, he's answering her because the disciples asked him to deal with her. But she came and kneeling down, worshiped him and kept praying, lord, help me. And we know this, that he said at the end, woman, great is your faith.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

She went from wrong approach, wrong words, wrong believing, running around, addressing everybody in the party. But when she finally exhausted all of.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Her trying, went through all of her figuring out what she figured out, when.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

She finally just came and worshiped him.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Just said, help me. When she worshiped, then help came and she went from begging to him, saying, great is your faith. See the process these different ones took, hers took longer. Why her approach was wrong. If it takes longer, find out is your approach right? When Jairus approach was right and his words were right, Jesus immediately went and results happened. When the leper, his approach was right, but his words are wrong. Jesus corrected his thinking and then his result was there. But this woman, her approach was wrong. Her words were wrong. Why was he ignoring her? Because he's not training her that wrong approach works. He's not going to if he would have responded. He's teaching her. Wrong approach works. Wrong approach doesn't work.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

So she was met with silence until she came the right way. When you don't know, at least know this. Worship is always the right approach.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

When you don't know maybe even how to believe or what to do next.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Worship is always the right approach because it's putting yourself in a position of hear whatever you have to say to me, I'll submit. I'LL listen, I'll correct. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

As ministers, we don't always know the absolute answer for somebody situation. The Holy Ghost does. I love what one of the leaders there at prayer and healing school there at Rhema, years ago, a woman came up. She had been diagnosed with a terminal condition. And she had sat there for weeks and weeks, and really it wasn't going in, it wasn't getting any better. And, you know, it's very difficult to get healing into people when all they've heard is you're dying and there's no hope. It's very hard to teach them and have them to get it.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It's not hard to teach it.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

It's not hard for the Word, but it's so hard to get past what they've heard so that the light can get in. And she came to one of the workers there and she said, I'm hearing this, but it doesn't seem real for me and I'm struggling. Came after class and sat down with her. And I so appreciate because, I mean, when you've told somebody the Word and.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They'Re not getting it, and they're telling.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You, I'm not getting it, you don't have any. There's not an alternate. There's not an alternate approach.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

The Word is the answer.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

So I love what the worker said. She said, I don't know what to tell you aside from the word we've taught, other than this. I know where I can take you. Come boldly to the throne of grace. Hebrews 4:16. Come boldly to the throne of grace that you may obtain. And she said, I don't know exactly what answer to tell you, to help you, but I know this. I know that if we can get in his presence together, there's help there. There's help there. So she said, so I tell you what she says, I know how to come to the throne. She said, come with me. I'll bring you with me. She can't do her believing for her. She can't change her thinking for her. So she said, will you come with me to the throne? And she said, I'll go. And so this one gal, I mean, she knew how to get in the spirit. She knew how to tap into the flow. Come boldly to the throne. And they sat there together and just worshiped. They got in the spirit. She helped her, and they got in the spirit and sat there and worshiped and worshiped and worshiped. And after a period of time, she turned to the gal and the gal said, all the pain's gone. Why? She worshiped. She worshiped. And what was hard in her mind was easy in worship. Did you get that phrase? What is hard in your mind is easy in an atmosphere of worship. Amen. Why? Come boldly to the throne that you may obtain. Come into his gates with thanksgiving. Into his courts with praise. There is an actual location where the throne of God is. We know the Holy Ghost, the greater one, is on the inside of us. But there is a location in heaven right now where there is a throne. And he said, come boldly to the throne. Right? Come boldly to the throne. He's not saying come boldly to here. Come boldly to the throne.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Well, how do we do that?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

In Psalms, it says, you come into his gates. It's a progression around the throne. You don't just. The throne has different areas surrounding it, and you have to approach it by going through each area. Right. I mean, it even spells that out. In the earthly tabernacle, there was a.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Holy of holies, there was an outer.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Court and all that inner court and all this. And you had to get to the.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Holy of holies, you had to go through the other levels, right?

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Same thing. Same thing in heaven today. Come boldly to the throne. Well, you have to know how to come. How do you come? Come into his gates with thanksgiving. You don't even get to the gate unless you're thankful. You don't even get through the gate. You've seen different spy movies or whatever, and they put their fingerprint or that thing reads their eye.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And if you got the wrong fingerprint, Access denied. Access denied.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You go to his gate with complaining.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Access denied. Go with worry. Access denied. Don't recognize that heaven doesn't. It doesn't read that.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

That doesn't open anything for you. Come in his gates with thanksgiving. Father, I thank you. You don't have to know the answers.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

You don't have to know the answers to your problem. You don't even have to know the next step to take for your life.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

But come into his gates with thanksgiving.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Father, I thank you for what you've done. I thank you. You have to acknowledge what he's done.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

If you want more of it. Come into his gates with thanksgiving. And Thanksgiving gets you through the gate. Come into his courts with praise.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

And anyone who's had an experience and records the account of being in heaven, no one at the throne is just.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Standing around giving each other high fives.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

They're worshiping. They're bowed down. Everyone is bowed down. At the throne, you come with thanksgiving, then you come with praise, then you arrive at worship.

[Worship Leader]

Yes.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

When it says, his praise shall continually be in my mouth, that means you're already through the gate, baby.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

You live through the gate.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You're just ready to go on up to worship. Just ready to go on up to that, to the throne. When we live with praise in our mouth, we're already.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

We already have access. Amen.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Are you helped tonight?

[Worship Leader]

Praise the Lord.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

I said praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I'm going to. I have something on my heart, and I'm just checking to see what's the best way to express this? What's the best way. Not just to express this, but to address this. I'm not trying to get an altar call. I'm not just trying to get people up here. Okay, if there's. Now, here are my requests, because every single one of us are standing the stand of faith for something, right? But I'm saying if you're failing at your standing, meaning, you know what I mean by that? You need help. You need help. You say, will you lay hands on me? No. We've read that people came and worshiped. They came and worshiped everyone. Stand with me to your feet. If you're here tonight and you say, I'm not just looking for daily life circumstances. I'm saying your crisis or something that you go, I'm overwhelmed. It might not be a crisis, but you're overwhelmed. It could be a bad habit that you have struggled with, and it's. You're just not. You're not receiving what you need. Not that God's not giving. You're not receiving what you need. You're maybe harassed. Your mind is harassed. It could be a depression. It could be a perversion. It could be something, anything that you understand. If you go this way, it takes your life off course. If it's left unbridled, it could be financial. I mean, like, every one of us are believing for supply. So I'm not wanting you to answer for this. I'm saying you're on the verge of. I mean, I need a miracle. I need a miracle. I need something dramatically turned in my life. We're not going to lay hands on you. We're going to give you the opportunity. These people, the position these people took. Amen. I'm just going to let you come and worship. Amen. And those of us who aren't responding to this, we will worship at our seats. You say, well, I don't want People to know. Would you want them to know if you got a million dollars? You cannot let pride take your life off course and keep it off course. Amen. It is a complete honor. I don't want people to think something's out of place.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Every single one of us could answer.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

This at some day in our life.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

It just happens today.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Certain people need to answer it specifically. So I'm going to invite that for you to just come here and worship. Amen. And we will worship with you. We will come boldly to the throne with you.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Amen.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

So come on up. If you say that's you, maybe there's something in your marriage, it needs a rescue. Maybe there's something in your thought life. Now, please respond. And I'm not saying.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Trying to get people up here.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

There are certain people I know need to be up here. And you know you need to be up here. Don't sit at your seat and act like you don't need to be up here. And I'm not picking on you. I'm giving you that direction of help. And y' all just. They fell at his feet. They fell at his feet. They fell at his feet and they just worshiped. Amen. They fell at his feet and they worshiped.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Hallelujah. And you say, I don't know what to pray. I prayed and prayed and prayed. What about the syrophoenician? Help me. Just help me. Help me. Jesus is never looking to turn anyone away. He doesn't want to send anyone away without their help. Amen. And this Syrophoenician woman did not receive help until she worshiped. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Congregation, let's just worship with them. We're so grateful. We're so grateful. Father, I thank you that you have divine help for every single one of these people. Father, we understand you, Jesus. You understand you've been tempted in all ways, just like every human gets tempted. You understand and I thank you that you run to the rescue with your power, your anointing, and your ability.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

I thank you, Father. I thank you, Father. I thank you, Father. I thank you, Father. I thank you, Father. Worship you, Father.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Those of you at your seat, you could, if you want, you can be seated in worship, or you can turn around and bow down, kneel at your own seat and worship. You can. Or you can stand and worship. It's fine. But let's all join in with what these are looking to the Father for. There's help for them. There's help for them. We thank you, Jesus. We worship You Jesus.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

We worship you, Jesus.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

We worship.

[Worship Leader]

Sa. Ram. Sa.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Worship you, Jesus.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Those of you that are up here, I want you to stay. Just stay up here. Do what you're doing. Just do what you're doing. But I'm going to have Pastor Debbie Simons and all these ministers right here in this front row section. You just come up and you just put your hands on them and you bless them. Pastor Craig, Pastor Jenny, come up. Sister Amy, Pastor Amy, come up. Just put your hands on them and bless them.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

We thank you, Father. We thank you.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Pastor Jeff, you and your wife, come on up. Go around to some. Over here. The Baruchs. Yeah, go down there. Morgan, Stephen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

The watresses, if y' all would come up and just find somebody who nobody's with. The Millers. Sister Linda, if you would. And Marilyn and Sister J. Pastor Jackie, Pastor Marcus, come on up. The Watsons, come on up here. Just get around some of these and.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Just pray for them. Free in Jesus name. Free in Jesus name.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

You leave her alone.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

In Jesus name. In Jesus name. Peace, clarity, divine help. Jesus name.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Assurance to do your will, what you.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Call it to you. Praise you. Praise you. Praise you. Praise you, father. Praise you, father. Praise you, father. Praise you, jesus. Praise you, father.

[Worship Leader]

Jesus.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Everything.

[Worship Leader]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Thank you, jesus. Thank you. Rash.

[Worship Leader]

Sam. Sh.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Praise the lord. Praise you, father. Praise you, father. Praise the Lord.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Now, those of you that are up here, you can stay. No one's going to move you out if you want to stay here. But I want to tell you this, what you're doing right now, do it every day. Amen. Before you go to bed, you fall down and you worship him. When you get up in the morning, you fall down by your bed and you worship him throughout the day. If you sense something trying to trouble you, you go aside. If you have to go, I don't care if you're in a public place, you go find a restroom or something and you go aside and you worship. And you put this in place. You say, how long till I do? How long do I have to do it? Till things change. And then after they change, than worship because they changed. Amen. Amen. This is really a flow of our life. You're telling him, I'm hungry, I'm teachable. I want to know anything that needs changing, I want to hear it. You know, dad Hagin used to tell us about years ago, before they closed out every service, they'd come around the altar and close it out with everyone around the altar. And he said we didn't have to do counseling because people got their answers at the altar. Amen. Make sure that in your life, there's always an altar you go to, so to speak. There's a time, a place where you go and you worship God. I don't care where it's at. But don't think that just doing this in church, and then it's done. He's showing us what we can enjoy and partake of every single day. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

He's so good. He's so good. None of you, no matter what your.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Problem is, he doesn't come up.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

There's no condemnation, there's no guilt. None of that. That comes from him. Remember the prodigal son. The Father ran to meet him before he even said, said a word. When God saw them. Excuse me. When the Father just saw that son from a distance, he ran because he had turned. He knew he's turned. Amen. So I believe things are turned for you. Things are turned for you. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

So live free. Amen. Live helped.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Congregation, stand with me to your feet tonight. Like I said, if you want, you can stay at the altar. There's no rush. Or you can go back to your seat. It doesn't matter. We just don't want you to leave too quickly because these times are precious. I said they're precious.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

We saw through the passages we read tonight. Every single one of them received their answer. Every single one of them. Every single one. I remember something that God said to me on one occasion. Well, the spirit of God said to me, I was sitting in a chair and I was just praying, going through my prayers. You know, there's certain things that we pray daily or whatever. And the spirit of God said to me, if you really believed that God was hearing you, that he was listening for you, you wouldn't be sitting, you'd be kneeling. And I go, that's right. Know this. When your heart reaches out toward him, you arrive in his presence. Amen. And we need to honor that. It's a. Never be embarrassed or ashamed to bow down before him. That's where help is so easy to receive. Because it's a saying. Everything of me is laid in front of you. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Let's lift up our hands and thank him tonight. Father, we thank you. We thank you.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

We thank you. Thank you, Jesus.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Thank you. You know, the important thing is not always to know the right answer. The Important thing is to know the right thing to do. And the right thing to do is go into his presence and worship. And what you need to know will be made known to you. I've never, never, never, never talked to God and asked him about something and not received what I've needed. Maybe there were things I needed to correct or things I needed to change. But I've never come to him for help and not gotten it. Never, never, never. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

He loves doing that. He's our Father. Amen. Father, thank you for what we've received. These things are foundational to our lives. We'll not neglect the foundational things. These things you're able to build the fullness of your plan on these foundational things. We thank you. We don't ever want you to say to us what you said to that church in the Book of Revelations. You've left your first love, Father. We remind ourselves you're first. Your plan is first. Your will is first. You are first with us. And if things have been challenging that in our lives, we go back to this foundational truth that you are our first love.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

We worship you.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Praise the Lord. I cannot express, especially for those of you who came up to the altar, God has complete help and complete victory. Total, total, total. So every day do this. Every day do this. Amen. Remember the last phrase that God said to brother Norval of that message he gave him? He said, if my people will worship me, I will do great and mighty things for them. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

What we do in secret gets rewarded openly. When we worship and submit ourselves and listen and obey him in secret, worship him and thank him, then publicly, people will see the blessing on our lives. They'll see the provision show up. They'll see the help and the rescue. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Well, the Lord is good. Let's lift our hands and tell him. Thank you, Father. Thank you. Thank you for your word. Thank you for your plan in these services.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Thank you for what we've heard.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

We will order our lives by the truth of your word. We're doers. We're not hearers. Only we're doers. So say this after me. Say I purpose to make sure the.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Spiritual habit, habit of praising, worshiping, rejoicing.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

In God is a flow of my everyday life. Father, I love your word. I love your will and I love your plan. Because I love you most. Amen.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

How about we just sing something before we go tonight.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Worship Leader]

Thank you, Lord. Thank you.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Lord.

[Worship Leader]

Thank you, Lord. I just want to thank you, Lord.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Sing.

[Worship Leader]

Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. I just want to thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. I just want to thank you. Sing. You've been so good. You've been so. Oh, Lord. You've been so good. You've been so good. You've been so good. You've been so good. I just want to thank you. I just want to thank you, Lord. I just want to thank you, Lord. From the bottom of my heart. I just want to thank you, Lord. I just want to thank you. I just want to thank you, Lord.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Just this one last thing, Miss Donna. Come here, love. Come here.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Father, I thank you for the fullness of your plan. Nothing lost, nothing stolen from her in any.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Aha. I thank you for the increase. The increase. Increase the increase of your blessing upon her.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

I thank you, Father.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

I thank you, Father, I thank you.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Thank you.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Thank you.

[Minister or Prayer Team Member]

Thank you. Ah, thank you. I thank you for that divine help.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

[Pastor Debbie Simons]

Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord.

[Congregation Member]

Hallelujah.

[Pastor Grant Dufresne]

Well, turn to somebody before you're dismissed and say, keep worshiping. He's worthy and you can be dismissed. God bless you.

[Grant Dufresne]

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