Hollywood Undead: The Masks Came Off

Summary

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Dumb Blonde Podcast — "Hollywood Undead: The Masks Came Off"

Host: Bunnie XO
Guests: Charlie Scene (B), Johnny Three Tears (C) from Hollywood Undead
Release Date: June 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and unfiltered episode, Bunnie XO welcomes Johnny Three Tears and Charlie Scene of Hollywood Undead for a rare, candid look behind the infamous masks. The trio dives into everything from the band’s chaotic origins and personal battles with addiction, to the brotherhood that kept them together through industry drama, wild antics, and adulthood. Expect hilarious stories, honest talk about trauma, band drama—including the real story behind Deuce’s departure—and a discussion of sobriety, fatherhood, and the band’s future.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introductions: From Rowdy Reputations to Real-Life Bonds

• Bunnie brings on her "West Coast boys," teasing about the confusion between "Charlie Sheen" and "Charlie Scene" ([04:00]).
• Fun Fact: Charlie shares he shares a birthday with Charlie Sheen, who once tweeted him happy birthday ([04:07]).
• The group jokes about their supposed "ladies’ man" reputations versus real married life ([04:23]).
  • Bunnie: "I love that you still love her vagina. Because most men need variety. Do you need variety?"
  • Johnny: "No. I've been married a long time as well, and one vagina." ([05:01])
• The band’s rowdy rep? "Where one vagina pisses you off, you gotta go, like, smash other stuff." ([05:10])

Quitting Vices: Hypnotists & Addictive Personalities

• Johnny details his efforts to quit vaping—turns out, hypnotists only work if you actually want to quit ([05:25]–[07:10]).
  • Charlie: "He also told me, he's like, do you really want to stop vaping? And I was like, no. He's like, well, it's probably not going to work." ([06:51])
• Discussion of addictive tendencies, with Johnny carrying four vapes at a time and being labeled "one of the most addictive personalities you’ll ever meet" ([07:35]).

Band Lore: Wild Antics & Brotherhood Origins

• Bunnie brings up infamous band antics: penis pranks and literal fire stunts at parties ([08:14]–[10:12]).
  • Charlie: "He had him light his dick on fire… didn’t have any pubes after, so it was like a free wax." ([09:24])
• Early days: The band formed out of tight childhood friendships—some stretching back to preschool ([10:40]–[12:27]).
  • Overcoming chaos: "We've been on four labels. We've been sued, sued back. Been through everything a band can go through." ([11:20])
  • Johnny: "The good thing about—we've been friends since… some of us since preschool." ([10:57])

Upbringing & Generational Trauma

• Charlie opens up about a turbulent home life, getting into trouble, juvie, generational trauma, and his drive to break the cycle, especially as a dad ([19:11]–[21:46]).
  • Charlie: "My role now is to… steer a different course. I'm very actively participating and making sure those things don't… go the same way." ([21:34])
• Bunnie and Charlie discuss how trauma gets passed down, "bleeding on people who didn’t cut them" ([22:08]).
• In contrast, Charlie Scene’s upbringing was largely positive, thanks to a supportive, "cool mom" ([23:08]–[24:01]).

Band Formation: The True Hollywood Undead Origin Story

• Band members’ paths crossed in various neighborhood scenes around LA, sometimes after playful fights ([17:45]), and many lived together as teens ([24:02]).
• Frequent shifting between bands before forming Hollywood Undead—"born from all the broken pieces" of previous groups ([24:35]–[26:05]).
  • Johnny: “Hollywood Undead was really like, let's just do whatever the f*** we want… when we stopped caring about the rules was when it actually worked out.” ([25:11])
• Origin stories of the band monikers and their famous masks:
  • Johnny Three Tears was named after his old band, "Three Tiers" ([26:54]).
  • Masks crafted by legendary special effects artist Jerry Constantine ([28:04]).
  • Charlie Scene began with a Del Taco bag, then a bandana—"it's just easier as f*** to put off and on" ([28:54]).

Music, Influences & Chaos

• Early musical influences (Stone Temple Pilots, Alice in Chains, Deftones) and the lost era of true rock stars ([30:09]–[31:31]).
• The role of hardship and pain in music and the importance of authentic songwriting.

Addiction, Recovery & Parenthood

• Johnny details a long arc of addiction, which ramped up with money from band success and easy access on tour ([31:53]–[35:14]).
  • Johnny: “Coke is, you know, weed, drinking, all that stuff… [but] cocaine... always ends in a dark, dangerous, horrible place.” ([33:47])
  • Sobriety prompted by his wife leaving: “The only thing that kind of made me… holy s***, you can act… there are consequences.” ([34:44])
• Discussion of how younger generations are consuming fewer drugs/alcohol: "I've never... the number of kids that don't do drugs and don't drink now has skyrocketed" ([36:06]).
  • Charlie: "The newer generations… learning from our mistakes, and that gives me a lot of hope." ([36:34])
• The perils of band life and how easy it is to fall into destructive patterns with alcohol and drugs ([37:13]–[37:53]).

Family, Growth & Camaraderie

• Members discuss marriage ("Cheaper to keep her" ([59:45])), parenting, and how having kids changed their lives:
  • Charlie: "I have three girls, one's three, one's five, and one is 16. Karma came for you, tough." ([61:10])
  • Amusing coincidence: Both had children at the same hospital, same day ([61:15]).
• Band now values stability and longevity over chaos: "We want to end it at least on our terms… we enjoy ourselves now more than ever." ([57:30]–[58:25])

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Industry & Drama: MySpace, Management, and the Real Deuce Story

The MySpace Era & Rise to Fame

• The band rose rapidly via MySpace, catching the attention of Tom (yes, that Tom) and major labels ([42:42]–[46:09]).
• Early tracks featured Jeffree Star, produced DIY, and attracted major label attention swiftly:
  • Charlie: “It was happening so fast too. Within three months, all these people messaging us… it didn't feel real.” ([46:12])
• Signed to Interscope, stunned by the music world’s reality—even selling label promo CDs at Amoeba Records to make ends meet ([46:52]–[47:27]).

Mentors & Mistakes

• Taken under the wing of Good Charlotte, who acted as true "big brothers" without strings attached ([48:38]–[49:41]).
• Early management was "the biggest mistake"—chosen mostly for being British and seeming smart ([47:44]–[48:08]).

What Happened with Deuce?

• Deuce (founding member) left amidst creative and personal disagreements ([52:54]–[54:33]).
• Johnny: “People change. And it was like one of those things. It sucked. No one wanted that to happen, but none of us made that decision.” ([53:06])
• Deuce’s absence led to legal drama, physical confrontation (chronicled by TMZ), and a lawsuit that the band eventually settled ([55:25]–[56:21]).
  • Johnny: “Who starts a fight, loses, and then sues those people? ...We never fed the fire...” ([56:33])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie on the band’s wild stunts:
  “He had him light his dick on fire… didn’t have any pubes after, so it was like a free wax.” ([09:24])
• On addiction and recovery:
  “Eventually, you’re either going to get, you’re going to die or you’re going to hit a rock bottom enough to turn you around before that happens.” – Johnny ([35:15])
• On generational trauma:
  "The worst thing in the world is seeing a kid in pain... Any adult... really is their responsibility to sort through those things without bringing their children into it." – Johnny ([22:15])
• On formation of the band:
  “When we stopped caring about… the rules was when it actually worked out.” – Johnny ([25:11])
• On Hollywood Undead’s identity:
  “We thought we were going to be a hip hop band… We’ve always been… on these [rock] festivals… that’s the world we’ve been accepted into for some reason.” – Johnny ([51:14])
• On evolving as musicians:
  “If we wrote Undead again, people’d be like, ‘Oh, this isn’t as good as Undead.’ …it was 20 years ago.” ([64:17])
• On current goals:
  “We want to end it at least on our terms, you know what I mean?... We enjoy ourselves now more than ever.” ([57:30])

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Band Today & What’s Next

• Current lineup: J Dog, Funny Man, Johnny Three Tears, Charlie Scene, & Danny ([58:30])
• Family life and stability are central to their current happiness ([59:52])
• Upcoming:
  • Touring with Falling in Reverse in September 2026 (US and Canada) ([70:59])
  • New music in the works with producer Tyler Smith (I Prevail, Falling in Reverse) ([71:15])
  • Exploring more genre-fusion, including the possibility of a country track (“In Hollywood Undead, we do have the luxury of doing any genre” – Charlie Scene, [73:01])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 04:00 – Intros, Charlie Scene/Charlie Sheen story
• 10:40 – Origins of the band: childhood ties & camaraderie
• 19:11 – Breaking the cycle of generational trauma
• 24:35 – Forming Hollywood Undead: "from all the broken pieces"
• 26:54 – Monikers & masks: the band's persona origins
• 31:53 – Johnny Three Tears on addiction & recovery
• 42:42 – Early days: MySpace, Jeffree Star, major label break
• 52:54 – Band drama: The Deuce controversy finally explained
• 61:05 – Fatherhood & how having kids changed priorities
• 63:39 – Evolving as musicians, writing from honest places
• 70:59 – What’s next: tour & new music

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Final Thoughts

This episode finds Hollywood Undead more self-aware, grateful, and honest than ever—unmasking not just their faces but their stories. If you want the real, unfiltered story of how seven LA kids built—and kept alive—one of modern rock’s most notorious collectives, this is essential listening.

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Follow Hollywood Undead:
Instagram/Facebook: @hollywoodundead
Charlie Scene: @therealcharliescene
Johnny Three Tears: @johnnythreetears

Catch them on tour with Falling In Reverse, September 2026!

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Transcript

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[B]

Charlie Scene?

[A]

I wish. You know, I love Charlie Sheen though too.

[C]

He gets them mixed up too.

[A]

Yeah. I'm so sorry. It was the. It was the sh That I had on it.

[B]

You know what's weird is by chance, we have the same birthday. September 3rd, me and Charlie Sheen. And he tweeted me on our birthday and he said, happy birthday to us.

[A]

How iconic is that? Insane that he even knows who you are.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Oh, my God, I love that so much. So you're a Virgo?

[B]

I'm a Virgo.

[A]

Are you a ladies man?

[C]

No, man's man.

[A]

I don't believe it.

[C]

He's a charmer.

[A]

I don't believe it. My dad was September 4th and he loved vagina. Like, he literally. You could not get that man away from women to save his life. I feel like Virgo. Men just love women. He's like. He's like, maybe in another life he loves his wife.

[C]

Vagina.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[C]

Maybe that's like more than most men who are married that long. How long have you guys been married for?

[B]

Since 2013. 12 years.

[A]

Oh, that's a long time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I love that you still love her vagina. Because most men need variety. Do you need variety?

[C]

No. No. I've been married a long time as well, and one vagina.

[A]

I love that. I love that you guys have, like, this rowdy reputation, and yet you guys

[C]

are just like, well, that's why we're so rowdy. Where one vagina pisses you off, you got to go, like, smash other stuff.

[A]

Yeah. You just got to go on break.

[C]

The rest of the world's like a wrestling ring to us.

[A]

So take me back to this conversation we were just having about the vapes.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. So the vaping, because it messes my vocal cords up. And, you know, I mean, it's obviously not good. And I did the hypnotist thing. I actually went to the hypnotist for other things to try and be less crazy and, like, some other. Because they'll. They'd say they can do anything.

[A]

Was this recent?

[C]

Yeah, it's been over the course of like, a year. I've been going.

[A]

So you. Okay, so the reason why this even got brought up. Let me just bring you guys in the circle of trust here. Is because Charlie wanted to vape, and I was just like, no, this is a no vaping zone. But you can go outside and vape. But whatever. And I was telling them that vaping is bad for you. And then that's when you told me that you went to the hypnotist.

[C]

Yeah, so I was trying to quit.

[A]

So did they, like, put you on? Did it really work? Do you feel like you really got put under?

[C]

Yeah. Well, so I've gone, like, 10 times. I went for other things first, like, for anxiety. You can go for anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

People go in there for all ptsd, all kinds of stuff. So I went just to see what it was like, because I wanted just to see if it worked. Just kind of curious by nature. And so we were doing other things, and yeah, I would say it works. Like, you kind of go. And then it's not like the TV shows, though, or the movies where, like, you, like. And they doing the clock thing. None of that stuff happens. You feel like you fell asleep, though, is what I would say. And you feel like. It's almost like when you take a nap and you're not sure if you did. Oh, you know, you're like, did I fall asleep? You have to almost say, was I asleep?

[A]

That would give me anxiety.

[C]

Yeah, but you. You're not. You're not sure if you fell asleep.

[A]

I'd be like, did you touch Me inappropriately. Like, you know, because you don't, you don't know what's happening. Like, did we, did we just.

[C]

Scottish guy too. So I'll be like, dude, yeah. But yeah, so I did it and it didn't work. Like the, the vaping thing. But he also told me, he's like, do you really want to stop vaping? And I was like, no. He's like, well, it's probably not going to work. Yeah, you have to really, you still have to like want to do those things.

[B]

Most people say it's a one time thing. That's what I've always heard. Like you go in and then you leave and you don't want to smoke anymore.

[C]

But that's. That, that I, that was not my experience. I quit for that day. And by the end of the day I was sat. I put all my vapes in water like so I can, you know, really trying to. I was at 7:11 by the end of that day. Yeah.

[A]

Guzzling the juices is, is it your only vice though? Because I mean, coming from the lifestyle that you guys used to live, if you're, if all you're doing is vaping, I mean, it's like having fun sometimes.

[C]

Sometimes. It's one of many.

[B]

Johnny has one of the most addictive personalities you'll ever find.

[C]

I have four vapes on me, Johnny.

[B]

Four vapes. We call it that.

[A]

Sims from your childhood though. So I, I grew up on you guys, but I never knew your entire lore. I of like the drama around the band and stuff like that. Because of course, you know, being from Vegas Cali, we heard about all the shit.

[C]

We used to run around up there too.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. But I never got to like really get into you guys as lore and I actually got to like really deep dive you guys and you guys have really fascinating stories. Like, I think it's really interesting and I want to dive into that. But first I have a very serious question I want to ask you. Do you really have a weenie that you like to show?

[C]

No. He did though.

[B]

I did back in my heyday.

[A]

Did you used to flop it around all the time?

[B]

Well, just like in front of my friends, I had this trick. I had this trick where if you take a knife but you don't, you use the, the flat side, not the sharp side. And you put your D on a cutting board and then you say, hey guys, look at this. And you smush the knife like not the sharp side onto your D. It looks like it's halfway through your penis. So it looks like you're chopping your dick off. So I do that as a gag.

[A]

Do we have a cutting board here? I gotta see this. Like, this is amazing.

[B]

But then I got a girlfriend, so I couldn't be showing my dick around.

[C]

It's terrifying looking on first site too, because. But I. So he wouldn't do that, but I would. So I took. Yeah, he'd come up with these great things and then I would just do them, use his material. And we'd be on like the tour bus. There'd people be on there and I would do it.

[B]

And people, Strangers and.

[C]

Yeah, I don't mind as much.

[A]

How did you figure this out? Did somebody teach you? Did somebody teach you this trick? Is it like a generational thing, like passed down in the family?

[B]

I think I just saw a knife and I was like, oh, I bet you could cut your dick. But with the dull side, it won't go through. I gotta show the guys. This one time for my birthday, I had him light his dick on fire.

[A]

Oh, my God. Tell me about this story. I gotta hear this story. Okay, the dicks are out. I'm loving this. Yeah, this is my kind of party.

[B]

I had a party. There was probably like 50 people there. I was like, george, I had some lighter fluid. I was like, let me put this lighter flute on your dick. And you just run out into the crowd and be like, ah, my dick's on fire. So he's like, okay, fine. He's all fucked up.

[A]

How did he talk you into that? Is what I want to know.

[C]

That was it? That was all it took?

[B]

Yeah, it took a very long time. Little convincing.

[C]

I'm game.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Did it burn your wiener off?

[C]

No, no, cuz. No. It was on my pants. I wasn't like, on my.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I thought we were like running around with socks on, like.

[C]

Well, okay, so it was open. My pants were open. I didn't have any pubes after.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So it was like a free wax.

[A]

Did they ever grow back?

[C]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[A]

Just like patchy.

[C]

That was the one. Downside is they grew back a just all patchy looking.

[A]

Like a calico cat down there singed.

[C]

It's bad looking.

[A]

That is hilarious. You guys seem like you guys have such a cool camaraderie with you guys with there being so many of you in the band. Because I know in the beginning there was like seven of you, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then now it's down to five.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that. I know back in the day, you guys had your Drama. But now that you guys are older and more, you know, evolved. How is it with you guys now, the five of you?

[C]

Yeah, I would say. I mean, being in a. Now that you're. We're a little older and probably, you know, it's easier now. We get along a lot better than we've always gotten along. The good thing about. We've been friends since I'm. Some of us since preschool, like, really, really young. Some of us known each other, like, before we can three, four years old.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that helped us get through a lot of the harder times. You know, being in a band is. Is as anybody who's been in a van has a lot of ups and downs. It's very trying at different times. And we've been a band for 20 years, and there's been ups, bent downs, and everything in between. So it's a lot like a marriage. And when you're going through those things, it can test those relationships. I mean, you hear about bands who are best friends and then they're suing each other.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And these things going on. We've never gotten in any of those situations. You know, relationships can kind of suffer under those circumstances, but we've gotten through most of them because of the. The friendships we had prior to those things. You know, some things don't make it through that. Sometimes people just change and things change. And that's unfortunate. But if we didn't have the basis of, I think, friendship prior to that, with what we've been through with, we've been, you know, we've been on four labels. We've been sued, sued back. We've been on four, five, six, seven management groups. Everything that you can. You've heard of that a band can go through with the music industry. Oh, yeah, we've been through.

[A]

Yeah, we're gonna talk about that too.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, everything you can imagine that can go wrong has gone wrong.

[A]

Yeah. But you guys are still standing, which is like, such a testament to you guys, just individually and together.

[B]

We get along better now than we ever did. Like, I'd say, like, in the past five years, like, we're all, like, best friends. We all hang out, like, you know, and. Yeah, we all get along very well.

[A]

You can hear that in the music, too, because you guys have grown so much and the music has evolved. But before we jump into that, I want to you guys to take me back to your childhoods and growing up. Where did you guys grow up and how did you guys meet?

[C]

I grew up in Glassell park by, like, Dodger Stadium, Northeast la. And then I grew up with Jay, who's in the band, and then Deuce, who used to be in the band. We grew up in the same area in Northeast Los Angeles and we kind of. I. Those are the two guys. We used to go to the same preschool and stuff like that. Our parents would drive us to school and stuff.

[A]

That's insane.

[C]

I know. Yeah. It is kind of wild to think about. Like his. Jay's mom used to. They would like take turns driving us to school. We go went to school on Los Feliz in Hollywood. And that was back when it was like East. East Hollywood kind of ghetto area. And it was a long time ago. Now it's kind of weird to think about because it's like it doesn't even look like it used to. It's weird when I go back there now, it's like one of the reasons I left LA in general is because growing up there, it was like our neighborhood, Hollywood in general. That whole area was kind of ours. And towards the end there was so many more people there. And I suppose this is probably how Nashville feels to people who live here for a long time is like I felt like an outsider. There was far more of them than us.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And so I was like, well, I might as well just go. And then him and funny.

[B]

Oh yeah. Yeah. I grew up in a town called Shadow Hills, which is around Burbank area in la. Kind of like a horse town. I had horses growing up like. And then. Yeah. The first guy I met in the band was Jerrell J. Dog. Because our parents worked together, we were probably like 12. I met funny man playing basketball. We actually had a mutual friend. You ready for a name drop?

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Okay, all right. Like how I've dropped it many times.

[A]

Obviously you've told the story on other podcasts. Okay. But no, that I think, I think that's still awesome though. You know, like that, like what a piece of lore to grow up with. That crazy nutcase.

[B]

Oh my God. Yeah, he was always crazy.

[A]

Was he always crazy?

[C]

That's what's nice to know though, that it's authentic.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

I appreciate that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. 100. And to stem off of what you said second ago, I grew up in Vegas. Every time I go back to Vegas,

[C]

that's another place, I'm sure.

[A]

Yeah, every time I go back to Vegas or Cali, I'm like, this is not the same city that we grew up in. Like, it's just, it's. I, I swear, it's so commercial now and it's like lost its sparkle.

[C]

Yeah, it really do. We're recording right now in Glass hall park, which used to be like, I'm not even kidding, like a no go zone. The cops wouldn't go there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It was so bad. They, the cops wouldn't, the helicopters wouldn't go over because the, there was a gang there that had like bazookas and anti aircraft stuff. It was like in the 90s it was insane.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And they. They. There's. The gangs are all still there, but the guy who's producing us now lives there, and we're pretty. And I'm like, he doesn't get it. I'm like, hey, it's still rough. It's bad. But this guy who's like a little white dude, lives in what used to be, like, the. One of the worst neighborhoods in la, and he doesn't know that. And that's how different it is. It's like this dude lives there. Where? You know, back in the day, you can walk through there.

[A]

Unless you grew up in that whole scene, you don't get it. Nobody understands.

[C]

Yeah. The 90s LA was. It was just a different world. And, I mean, I. Maybe there's certain things that are better about it, but I almost prefer, like, the gangsters over the hipsters.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

At least. It was like.

[A]

At least they had more balls.

[C]

Yeah. And they were more. It was like. I don't know, they had better.

[A]

I feel like something to offer. Like, the hipsters lost their balls and their skinny jeans, you know, like they've got camel toes just.

[C]

And they just complain all the time. And the real estate's all.

[A]

You know, it's gentrified. That's what they call it. It's like, totally gentrified. Yeah, for sure.

[C]

I know.

[A]

So how did you two meet?

[B]

I met him through my older brother, I guess. I don't know how you met Jesse. Do you remember?

[C]

We got in a fight. We were wrestling.

[A]

Was it a real fight?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Was it a real fight?

[C]

Yeah. He called me Goldilocks because I had long hair. And then I called him Sonic the Hedgehog because he had, like, spiky. Yeah, we fought, but it wasn't, like a mean fight. It was a fight to see, like, a male dominance, but not trying to hurt the others, to see who was stronger.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then.

[A]

But that's how kids figure out. Like, we used to fight and then you would be friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For that.

[C]

Yeah. You know, it really was like that. We were too old for that, but we still. That's how it happened. Yeah.

[B]

That's what happens if there's no girls at a party. Then you just fight.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Wrestle. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's all that testosterone. You guys got to get rid of it somehow.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No, we just became buddies and we just started hanging out all the time. And then. Well, no.

[B]

Yeah. The way I met you was I came home from playing basketball and he was on the driveway with my older brother. He's like, hey, this is my friend George. But he got so drunk that night, my mom bought El Pollo Loco. And he was trying to eat it, but he's so drunk it fell on the floor and he tried to pick it up. So he just like fell and was eating beans, like, laying down on the floor. I was like, jesse, this is the biggest piece of I've ever met in my life.

[C]

And I didn't eat the beans off the floor. I was pretending.

[A]

But. Can we have a moment of silence for the creamy cilantro sauce with El Pollo Loco and Del Taco Del Taco Fire. No cream of cilantro is still there. You just gotta pay extra for it. Like back in the day, they used to give you loads of it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay, so let's talk about mom and the mommy stuff that's going on. What was going on in your household?

[C]

Oh, well, you know, I didn't have a good. You know, the upbringing stuff wasn't good. I just had a lot of resentment and stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Was she a single mom?

[C]

No. My parents are kind of nuts, you know, and as I've gotten older, I guess I. I've learned to separate something. You know, we're all human beings and stuff.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

Yeah. And just a lot of resentment. And it was a very, very bad environment. And I ended up, you know, I got in a lot of trouble when I was young. I ended up in juvie and stuff like that.

[A]

Because you were acting out. Yeah. You got your first felony at 15.

[C]

Yeah, I got a burglary charge. Well, I ended up graduating high school. I went to Central in this place called Challenger Camp. It's in the Antelope Valley, which is where I ended up going to. Like I had to go to. Because you have to go to school if you're in jail when you're still a minor. So I ended up going there and I was there until I was 18. Then I got take out. So it was all, you know, it was juvie. It was nothing that. Well, it's not good, but it wasn't bad. But my whole childhood was kind of, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't good.

[A]

You're acting out because you needed love and attention, though.

[C]

Yeah. I don't like to say that because it sounds legit.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But, yeah, I was very angry and

[A]

stuff and, you know, but you deserve love and attention.

[C]

You know, I didn't have any place to go when I was little and, you know, I was living at people's houses and, you know, so, you when you're all the things that I probably needed when I was young, at that point, I think I was like 18 years old. I had got that. That I was sad when I was young. I was just depressed about it. When I became old enough, then I was just angry about it. And, you know, I went through a period of like, yeah, probably a lot of aggression that, you know, getting in fights and all that stuff was all just an extension of trying that repressed stuff coming out. And the same with like, you know, drinking and drugs, all that stuff, you start kind of sorting out that all of that stuff is ex. An expression of coming from the same well sort of thing. And it took me a long time to figure that even though you might know it, it takes a long time to kind of actually realize it.

[A]

It takes. Yeah, it takes. I've always tell everybody I'm. I wish we could be born with the wisdom we have now because, God, wouldn't life be so much easier if we just knew everything was going on.

[C]

Even someone telling you. Knowing hearing something is different than knowing it. You know what I mean? Someone could tell you the million things, but you have to kind of realize it for yourself. So, you know, and as I've gotten older and I have three kids of my own and stuff, you start to realize that, you know, other people are human and a lot of them are up. And a lot of that people have

[A]

kids of their own and pass on generational trauma.

[C]

Yeah. And so, you know, your. My role now is to kind of, you know, to. To arrest those things and, you know, steer a different course. And I'm very actively participating and making sure those things don't, you know, go the same way.

[A]

And you're breaking those generations.

[C]

Yeah. That's all you can do, you know?

[A]

Absolutely. I think a lot. I think a lot of that trauma stops with us because our parents back in the day, those do not care. They don't want to hear anything about therapy. They don't want help. They are like, set in their ways with being how they were that generation that raised us. And I feel like a lot of us have learned from our parents mistakes and we're like. We don't want to be like them.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In the end, it just. They're not happy and they're hurt and they're. They literally were just bleeding on people who didn't cut them.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it is true. And you know, that's the terrible thing is that, you know, people. The children typically pay the price for people's, you know, Their unfulfilled dreams or whatever it is they're unhappy about. And it's. It's really unfortunate because the worst thing in the world is seeing a kid in pain. I don't care who you are. I don't care whose kid it is. Seeing a kid that's a sad child, it's. It's just terrible, and it breaks my heart to think about it. So, you know, if you. If you. Any adult with their own problems, they really. It is really is their responsibility to sort through those things out without bringing their. Their own children into it, because it's just. You're setting up that kid up for a lifetime of their own pain, and then another kid up for a lifetime or whomever that person marries or that person becomes connected to.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Is going to suffer all because you're unhappy with yourself.

[A]

And, yes.

[C]

You know, that. That. That generational trauma, it's. It's a handful.

[A]

Yeah. How was your childhood?

[B]

Mine was pretty good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was good.

[C]

He has the coolest mom.

[A]

Yeah, we love cool moms.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I didn't have a cool mom, so. Shout out to the cool moms out there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. My house was always the party house. She let everyone go there and crash and. Yeah, she was.

[A]

So she gave you guys, like, a safe space.

[B]

Totally. Yep. She allowed me to talk to her all the time. She told us to keep it down. I'd say, shut up. You talk to your mom like that? That's my maid. She's annoying. She liked it, though.

[C]

She got a kick out of it. Yeah.

[A]

I love that. That's so awesome.

[B]

Yeah, so she always. And she. They were cool. They never forced me to go to college. My dad was a. That he wanted to be in.

[A]

He said they were cool. They never forced me to go to college.

[B]

No, they didn't give a. They were like, do music, act if you want.

[C]

Like, they.

[B]

They're all about the arts, so they just supported all the decisions I made with music and all that stuff, so.

[A]

I love that. That's amazing.

[B]

Yeah. And George moved in with us, too. He lived.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

George. I love this. This is awesome.

[C]

Yeah. No, his parents are the best.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I love parents like that. That's how my best friend Tasha is. And I. I literally moved them out here to Nashville to be with me, because I grew. I. I left home at 14 and ended up moving in the trailer park with her and her mom. And, you know, you didn't. You never forget friends like that. Like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You never forget people who Were there for you in your lowest time?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys have a pretty special bond.

[C]

Yeah. 100.

[A]

So after you moved in with him, with them, is this when you guys started forming the band or how did that. That work?

[B]

It was around that time. Yeah.

[C]

We. Because we. We were in bands together and separate. He was in a band called Upright Radio. We were in a band called Three Tiers. I was another. But we were like, off and on doing bands. And then we. We. So we, like, were in bands together and separate for, like, years.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So we would live together and then we, you know, we'd hang out and stuff. And then Hollywood Undead kind of formed from, like, pieces of other bands.

[A]

Why did you guys not just out of the gate, start a band together? Was it just kind of like you guys wanted to have.

[C]

We did, and then we would just go. That wouldn't work out. And go do another band. He did another band I would do. I stopped doing bands. You said, you know, when you're young, in an event, it's a pain in the ass.

[A]

Right.

[C]

It's like, you know, so we would. Bands would break up and he would do it. So everybody was kind of doing their own thing. And then we kind of formed Hollywood Undead from, like, Pieces of everybody's thing. And that was, I think, really like more of a. Like a last ditch. Like, the. One of the reasons Hollywood Undead, I think, is so different, differentiated from everything we did. And we had kind of all done bands were like, where, you know, I love the Deftones. I wanted to be in a band like the Deftones. Everybody had those models. Hollywood and Dead was really like, let's just do whatever the we want. Because nothing we had done worked. Like, when you're trying to, oh, be in a band like this, or I want to be in a rock bay. We. It really was like, let's just make whatever the we want. That's what Hollywood Undead was. And ironically, when we stopped caring about whatever, you know, the rules were, was when it actually worked out. So it was kind of born from all the broken piece of pieces of other things, of bands from all of us prior experience.

[A]

You guys got to go your separate ways. Experience life.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And come together and put all those pieces together like a puzzle piece. How did you guys come up with your names? Have you always been Charlie Seen?

[B]

Oh, no, no, no.

[A]

What was it? I need to hear some of the OG names.

[B]

Yeah, well, Charlie seemed like I never expected this band to blow up like it did.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So we were like, something cool like Blade or some.

[B]

Exactly. No. So it was just like on a whim, like we were seeing kids back then. Rapping about seeing kids. So I was like, oh, Charlie scene. And then here we. We are 20 years later too. We just had our 20 year anniversary from the date we put our music on MySpace.

[A]

That's insane.

[B]

I was seven years old. Now I'm 27. It's crazy.

[C]

Put that on Wikipedia. Yeah.

[A]

How did you come up with Johnny Three Tears?

[C]

Name of the first band I was in was Three Tiers. So I always called myself Johnny Three. Way before Halloween and Dead. So when we did monikers, that was just. It just. Yeah, that was that.

[B]

And you called yourself Johnny back then?

[C]

Yeah, Johnny. I always thought Johnny can go ahead of anything.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know what I mean? Johnny any anything. So Three Tiers was the name of the band I was in since I was like 17, 18 years old. So I just put Johnny in front of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, so that was the whole. The whole deal with that. The mind. And when we did Mask, we were like, well, we got to do monikers and stuff. And that was all just at that point, you know, the names. Because with the masks you want to. If you're. It would be lame to have mass and be like, I am George. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like, you know, it kind of fit the whole.

[A]

But you're a good looking guy. So I'm sure that if you even had a, you know, put a mask on and called yourself George, girls were still going to go crazy.

[C]

I wish that was true.

[A]

You're married, so obviously you're doing just fine.

[C]

Dude. I had to get the first one that went for it. I was like, you want to get married, babe?

[A]

You tricked her?

[C]

Yeah, the first night I met her.

[A]

Yeah, I love that. How did you guys decide on your masks? Like I. Because you guys each have one catered to like your personality. Correct.

[C]

Yeah, we got lucky. This dude, his name's Jerry Constantine. I always shout this dude out because he's like, he's awesome. He's won like. I think he won an Academy award for doing makeup on like Winston Churchill makeup. But he pretty much any movie you've seen with like crazy monsters in it, this guy makes them.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Like all the famous horror movies that you. That aren't CGI now because most of them are.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But like the thing and all these things, he builds these monsters. And so we got in touch with him way back when we first started started and he made them like. So we went in and kind of told him what we wanted. You know, I'm in the butterflies and the three and stuff. And he made them out of, you know, clay with his hands and designed them by hand. So we got to work with this dude who's, like, a genius, and he's made, like, you know, some of the most famous monsters that, you know, you. Anybody's seen from these movies. And. And he did it from start to finish with us.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I never did a mask back then. Yeah, I did a Del Taco bag originally, because Del Taco is fire.

[A]

I love you.

[C]

Yeah, I love it. We're like. We're doing all. I was like, I'll just do the bag.

[B]

I'll do a Del Taco.

[A]

Yeah, but listen, you set yourself apart, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

How long did the bag last?

[B]

The bag lasted until we signed our record deal. They're like, you can't do a Del Taco bag.

[A]

It's like.

[B]

And then.

[A]

Unless they pay you. Right.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Or. Yeah, Tacos.

[B]

Yeah, I just want a free soft tacos, dude.

[A]

The double Dell cheeseburger. All day long.

[B]

Oh, it's so good.

[A]

All day long.

[B]

So they wanted me to, like, change the design on it, and. But it just looked dumb. I was like, ah, defeats the purpose. Just wearing a bag on my head that says Charlie. Ah. So I was like, I'll just do a bandana. You know, I've always liked cowboy movies and, you know, the outlaws with the bandana, and it's just easy as to put off and on. Yeah, it was annoying. Yeah, you can't drink beer through it. Like, it gets soggy and starts falling.

[A]

It's like the paper straws. I hate those. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

We turned in that. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do a bandana.

[A]

Oh, I love that. It's crazy sitting here with you guys and, like, getting to feel your energy now because you guys look so intimidating, like, on stage or, like, even if you guys, like, just listen to your record and don't even know who you guys are. You guys have some such alpha, you know, Personas. But sitting here, you guys are like, just like sweet little babies.

[C]

What the.

[A]

I love that. I love that.

[C]

Dude. Wait to see me vaping, bro.

[A]

Yeah, I love it. I love it. So we have something in common. Your first concert that you went to was Stone Temple Pilots.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, mine too.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. I was like, I don't share that lore with too many other people, but, like, Scott, is it Wylan. Scott Wyland was on stage, and we Got to see one song. Some. Somebody threw a bottle and it hit him in the head and he lost his on stage and then walked off.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

That was my first concert.

[B]

That was the first song that happened that he left.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And he left was this like pre the heroin days.

[A]

It might have been in the middle of it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not sure. This was in the 90s, so.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like he was always on that.

[C]

Playing acoustic with one of the Delilah brothers and he's like kind of. Yeah. In the park. Almost like chubby.

[B]

Yeah. You tell.

[C]

That's pretty. It really did make me sad because obviously towards the end, he looked like a skeleton, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

He was such talent, dude. But you looked so, like, young and healthy. And it's weird because it was such a brief window where he looked like real healthy and normal. It just looked like a normal dude. And then later he looked so torn up and stuff. But he was such a. I love. Because I'm a big STB fan too. Yeah. Just a sad story.

[A]

Same. Yeah, no, it's. It's so sad. The Alice in Chains, all that like. Yeah, those are like. I feel like we don't have any like. Like rock stars like that anymore.

[B]

No.

[C]

And with that pain and those. That music, especially the Real Deal, he

[B]

had, like, a really rough life too. He was like, raped as a kid and.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. All the drugs.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, that explains a lot of, you know, why he was acting out like that.

[B]

Totally.

[C]

Yeah. Well, like we were talking about earlier, it all comes out in the end.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. So you had talked about how you were involved in drugs. When did your drug addiction start?

[C]

Right when I had enough money to do them consistently.

[A]

Okay, so was this after Hollywood Undead or during or before?

[C]

Yeah, no. I started doing like, alcohol was like, when I was 13 is when I really started drinking. Like, right when I found I knew I was in trouble when I started drinking because it wasn't like, ooh, this is fun. It was like, to me, like, it was like, oh, I can. Like, I found something that was like, gonna get me through life. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was a bad relationship right from the get go. So I tried. When I started, I did coke, you know, a couple times when I was like a teenager, like, just from other people. And so I would do that periodically. And then when we got signed and stuff like that, and we got money, then I started buying it and, you know, because once you. Coke is obviously not. It's an expensive drug by comparison to some. And then. Yeah, it Just escalated. And, you know, I started doing coke

[B]

then on tour where it's, like, so easy to get. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It used to be everywhere cocaine used to be, and we didn't have to worry about fentanyl, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I'd be doing bumps off the back of dirty bathroom stalls at a dive bar.

[C]

You know, like, coke's troublesome. I mean, I remember, like, when I started doing coke, I could buy like an eight ball and it would be like, it would last me like a weekend or something, and it would be like, okay. And then it was like an eight ball and would last Friday, and it was like, I wouldn't even leave the house anymore. And it really catches up with you, and it, you know, causes you no end of trade. Just escalates and escalates and escalates. And, you know, the. The losses that you incur doing this stuff. You know, I won't even get into that stuff, but, yeah, it's really bad. And I always thought, you know, we. We talk about those things in our songs and always make sure that people understand it's in a negative light because coke is, you know, weed, drinking, all that stuff. It's a good time. I would never tell someone that cocaine is something that recreationally, it's not fun. It always ends in a dark, dangerous, horrible place. That stuff has caused me no end of pain and trouble and other people that I know trouble and stuff. And I get it.

[A]

I was so coked out one night, I tried to smoke it like it was crack.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like it. That. It's a very deep, dark hole that you go down whenever you are partying, you know, And I used to date, like, the biggest drug dealer, So I got eight balls of cocaine for 80 bucks, you know, So I was just, you know, and I'm in the strip club, just. It was bad, bad scene. But I get it, and I totally understand what you're saying. I do think that it's important for people to hear the struggles that you've gone through, because, you know, they. They look at you, like, as role models, you know, and they're like, these people have come from the depths of hell and they're out here busting their ass, you know, on tour, performing. But before all. Before they've gotten to where they are now. There was. Was this time in their life, you know what I'm saying?

[C]

So, yeah, I mean, the years and years and years of it, I'm like, I've only cleaned up my act in the past few years. I mean, it Was gradual too. Like I wasn't going insane. Like there was probably 10 to 15 years where it was just like all hell broke loose. But then my wife left me and like, you know, things like got real bad.

[A]

That's good. We love a woman that has boundaries too.

[C]

No, and every, she had every right to. And it was the right thing to do because that was actually the only thing that kind of like made me like, holy. You can act, there are consequences and stuff to these things. But you will lose everything in pursuit of these things. There's no doubt. Eventually. It's really just about what you. Whether you're lucky enough to hit rock bottom before you're dead. Because one of those two things is going to happen. You're either going to get, you're going to die or you're going to hit a rock bottom enough to turn you around before that happens.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And it's like a 50, 50 shot that one or the other is going to happen. Something bad enough is going to happen to make you go, okay, I'm never going to do this again and it'll stick. Or you're going to be dead. Because those are really the to outcomes. Typically, yes, you know, your wife or your family leaves or you have an overdose that you know will make you, that will scare you enough or you'll skate along with these smaller losses until you're homeless or something. God knows what. But yeah, it's devastating stuff. And anybody who's seen it knows like, you know, you know, people end up selling their own other people's, you know, the cost is very high. But we have, we do have a lot of young fans. One thing that really makes me happy is we do meet and greets and stuff like most bands and, and from what I, we talked to them and I have never. The number of kids that don't do drugs and don't drink now it has skyrocketed in comparison. When I was young, every kid drank and did drugs.

[A]

Same.

[C]

That was 90.

[A]

That was our era.

[B]

Yeah. It's not popular anymore.

[C]

It isn't, it isn't like, oh, like it's very normal to meet a 20 year old and be like, oh, I never even had a drink. Yeah, that was like that would blow my mind when I was young.

[A]

My makeup artist has never even done cocaine. I'm like, how. Yeah, how does that, that even.

[C]

I thought that was what it was in those makeup cases.

[A]

Yeah. Literally that's what I used to use my makeup face mirror for. You know what I'm saying? So when she told me she had never done cocaine. I'm like, this is crazy. But it's. You're right. It really is.

[C]

Well, you said that too. People are learning. The newer generations, I think they're learning from our mistakes, and that gives me a lot of hope. And I don't know what it is, what the shift is, but, yeah, it seems a lot less common. And I. I saw some statistics with, like, alcohol consumption that, you know, alcohol companies are losing business this rapidly.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And, you know, by all means, go, drink, have fun and all that stuff, but, you know, it's one of those things. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It can get out of hand really quick. You don't need to be drinking every day, and you don't need to be drinking Tuesday in the morning like I used to or whatever.

[A]

And I feel like alcohol is sometimes worse than drugs because it's so available.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Literally go and get alcohol any time of the day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And nobody's gonna say anything.

[C]

You're in a band. We'd show up in the morning, shows and. And stuff. We'd be six in the morning. We hammered.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

And drinking whiskey. That's completely acceptable. If we worked at a bank or any other job, you'd be like, you're fired. But people laugh it off. It's okay. We were. We could get away with it. So it's a much more slippery slope where these things are accepted in our field. And, you know, so that probably was not the best recipe for a bunch of addicts to work or not a bunch of addicts, but some medium me to work in a field.

[A]

He's like, I'm speaking for everybody.

[C]

To work in a field where that stuff is not only allowed, but almost encouraged to a degree.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, they're crazy. That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? So, you know, if you can handle it, you can handle it. And, you know, everybody has their limits. And it's cool that people encourage people to not, you know, your. Your husband and stuff. And you see these public displays of, hey, I'm. I'm trying to get healthy. I'm trying to do better. Better. That was, like, frowned upon at one point. People tried to hide that. Now it's like, hey, everybody's rooting everybody on. And to me, that's just really refreshing because that wasn't, like, cool for a long time. Now it's like, hey, let's see how. Let's everybody, let's do all these challenges with each other and see who can, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Get their lives better. And you know, I think. I think kids today are a lot smarter than the kids were when I was a kid myself.

[A]

Thank God, right?

[C]

Yeah, we caused enough trouble.

[A]

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[B]

Well, well, my. My childhood did shift kind of dark. My dad got addicted to drugs. Like, he ended up having to go to rehab. He got a. He had, like, insomnia, crazy insomnia that he passed along to me, which sucks. But he got addicted to Somas and all this other shit where he was passing out at our table on Thanksgiving. And so it got really bad and it made me, like, never want to do drugs ever. So I would, like, see anyone do drugs and be like, it's. I would see him. I grew up with him. Getting drunk with him was fun. Fun. He started doing coke and, like, we'd be having fun and laughing. As soon as he does coke now he's like, weird and serious. I'm like, in your pants. It sucked the fun out of your soul. Like, I never want to do that. So it's like I have. I have dabbled in things here and there, but for the most part, like, you know, beer is fine for me,

[C]

and he's a good time. He's who you want to hang out with when you're. When you're drinking.

[A]

Yeah, he seems like it.

[C]

Yeah, he's. He's usually the life of the party. Will make you laugh and stuff.

[A]

Yeah. You remind me of my best friend Kyle, who passed away. Away. He was just such a sweet soul. Isn't that crazy, though, how, like, you can go one of two ways whenever you see a parent that's an addict, you can either follow in their footsteps, like, even unwillingly, it just sometimes happens, or you go the complete opposite way of, like, which what you did, and you were just like, no.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Learned from a very young age that that's something that you didn't want to do.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Made me kind of grossed out.

[A]

Yeah. So moving on, you guys have formed Hollywood Undead, and the original lineup was J Dog. I feel like J Dog's been around for everybody like, you. You were. You met J Dog first. You met J Dog first, and then you guys all intertwined.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it was J Dog, Deuce, Shady, Jeff, Charlie, Scene, Johnny Three Tears, Funny man and Decurls.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that was the original group can you guys take me on that journey with you guys? Like, when you started dropping music on MySpace, you guys said that Tom from MySpace wanted to sign you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. He kind. He almost did. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The band first started actually with Deuce and J Dog. They made like a hip hop song. Like 50 Cent had just come out. They're like, damn, let's make a song. Or what was the song?

[C]

I forget.

[B]

I think it maybe a 50 cent, something like that. But they're like, hey, let's make a hip hop song and wear masks and put it on MySpace. And J Dog sent it to. To me before he released it because he's like. He knew I'd freestyle. Like, back in the day. I'd love freestyle battling and freestyle rapping. And like, I was obsessed with.

[A]

That's a dying art.

[B]

It really is. Yeah. And now when people freestyle, it's written as like, I used to bring a boombox to high school and. And freestyle with all the bloods and, like, bad. So when J Dog started doing hip hop, he sent it to me. He's like, hey, I want you to write a verse for this. And when I first heard the song, I was, like, literally blown away. It was called the Kids, and I was like, this is the best thing I've ever heard. So then I wrote a verse to song number two called Scene for Dummies, and that was the first written verse I'd ever done in my entire life because I would only freestyle back then.

[C]

And then.

[B]

George, what song did you start with? Number five.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Or Black Dahlia.

[A]

No, Black Dahlia was my fave.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Love.

[C]

I forget. Okay. I forget.

[B]

I think it was number five.

[C]

Yeah. I'm not really number five.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because we were, like, spurting him out then. Oh, I. Because you had Jeffree star on it. We did our third song. Had Jeffree star on it.

[A]

Jeffrey's one of my best friends.

[C]

Yeah, he's cool as hell.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We call him. He was like. He was like a Hollywood local back then. And we had him do. To Turn off the Lights. He did a song with us way back. Yeah, that was like the third song we put out.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And that was a trip. When you had him. I was like, holy. Because I hadn't seen him or heard about him in so long. I know he was doing his thing.

[A]

He's hilarious. He just walks in a room and you start cackling because.

[B]

So funny.

[A]

So funny.

[C]

No, he's hilarious. He's all. He was always one of the, like, the sharpest dudes. And he would.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait. Even back then, like, we were like, nut jobs. He was like. He stuck out then.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I was like, this guy's crazy.

[A]

No, he's always been authentic, and that's what I've loved about him.

[C]

Oh, no, he's great.

[A]

Doesn't change who.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Our car broke down or Jerrell's car broke down, and he's like. J's like, I wonder what it is. And then Jeffree Star's like, well, if it's any. If you need fluid, I got a little for you.

[A]

That's exactly how he is. We. He literally tried to make out with. He tried to make out with Jaime, my videographer.

[C]

The.

[A]

It was so. Yeah, it was very close. If we weren't filming, it would have happened. All right. And he's got a beautiful girlfriend. Like, I mean, just gorgeous. But. Yeah. No, Jack. Jeffrey's still the same way.

[C]

Yeah. He was on the third song we ever put out. Yeah, it was really funny.

[A]

Take it up and listen.

[C]

Yeah, we were like, the. So now, you know, like, SoundCloud and all this stuff. I guess it was kind of like the original SoundCloud thing. We just started. We. It was, like, very rapid, too. It was like a song a week. We just started. Once one came out, it was just like. Just kept pushing it and going because people were listening to it, and it kind of had a VI. And then I remember, you know, MySpace had, like, an inbox, and, like, there was a message there from. What was it like Electra Records or one of them?

[B]

It was Tom. Tom messaged us directly.

[C]

Tom Message. But then a label did.

[B]

Oh, Capital did Capital. Yeah. Rick Ross. The Strokes posted for us, like, one of my favorite bands back then.

[C]

Like, we thought it was, like, a prank at first.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. We were just getting used to the Internet back then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My space came around. So you never knew what was real or what wasn't.

[B]

It was happening. Happening so fast, too. Within three months, all these people messaging us and labels hitting us up, and it was, like, overwhelming, and it didn't feel real.

[C]

Yeah. And then I remember, like, we. So we. We ended up signing with Interscope, but. Oh, I'm sorry.

[A]

Thank you. I do it all the time, too. She's always over there.

[C]

Like, when we actually went to a meeting, that was when it was like, dude, this is real. Like, we met with Jimmy Iovine.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is. Who we ended up signing with was Interview Interscope. But that was when it was insane. We're like, Sitting in his office, and he had, like, John Lennon's piano from Imagine and, like, frame Tupac lyrics. And it was just like, the most insane thing in the world. Posting stuff on the Internet.

[A]

Where are you guys at in your life? Right there. So you're sitting. You're. You signed with Interscope. You're sitting in this office.

[C]

I'll tell you something funny. We were so broke, we would ask for CDs in their office to go sell at Amoeba, like, because we. We didn't have any money. So we asked, hey, can we have, like, a box we love, like, Led Zeppelin is when we're Atlantic, and they'd give us, like, a box set of Led Zeppelin. We'd go to Amoeba to sell it for, like, secondhand, for, like, 20 or 30 bucks because we didn't have any money. And then they. Atlantic was like. I remember this. They were involved in, like, hypnotic, which was like, this drink.

[A]

Yes, I used to drink it. That's what gets you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We'd ask for, like, a case of it, and we would just get drunk off for a few days and then go back to another meeting to get another case. And, like, we were like. So it was funny. We're going all these meetings, but we had no money. Our manager had, like, this hoopty ride that we'd all, like, pile into.

[A]

How did you find the manager? Where did he come from? Just out of the blue, or was he a friend?

[C]

That was our biggest mistake.

[B]

Yeah, biggest mistake. He managed my band. I was in before Hollywood Undead, so he kind of came in. But they managed Papa Roach at the time, so it's like, hey, they seem legit. Let's have them manage us.

[C]

So he was just the only manager we knew, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And willing to, like, see the vision.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He didn't know what the he was doing. He's a nice guy. We just hired him because he was British. We thought he sounded smart.

[A]

Something about that accent, though, it does convince people.

[C]

Might. But, yeah, it was just a wild time because it was like, yeah, from nothing. And then, yeah, we got a bunch of money, or at least, like, in our mind, what was a ton of money at the time.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And then, yeah, the rest was. What's history?

[A]

What's the story with Good Charlotte? Because they took interest in you guys, too.

[B]

Or Great Charlotte, right? They're the best. Yeah, they took interest. How did. How did we even meet up with them? They message us or something?

[C]

No. So we.

[A]

I love that everybody's DMing you guys.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

This is Hilarious.

[C]

Well, we used to go out in Hollywood all time. The.

[A]

The time, right?

[C]

But we were like Dirt Squirrel dudes. We were street kids, right? So we would go to this place called Powerhouse and like, this place called Tinies. These real, like, street bars, gangster kind of cholo bars. And there was all these clubs. We would never go to those clubs. They wouldn't, like, let us in there. But then we, the band started hyping up. We were allowed, like, we could start getting into these clubs. And good Charlotte DJed at this place called LAX, right? And so we started going there, and they knew who we were, and we knew this guy named Tony Lovato, who was in this band called the Messed. And he knew them. He had lived with Benji. And so we, like, got connected to them. And those guys are, like, the coolest dudes in the world. One of the coolest things, because they were big famous dudes and they, you know, they were balling and stuff. We were like, still like. Like just street rats. And they're like, hey, they had these, like, mansions and stuff. And they'd be like, come to our house and we'd roll up there and they'd let us, like, we go swimming and stuff. And they were just super, super cool, super supportive.

[A]

Like big brothers.

[B]

Yeah, 100%. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And they just wanted to help it. They never asked for anything from us and stuff. They just thought we were going to do well, and they would give us advice and, hey, man, make sure you do this.

[A]

Which in this industry, that means a lot because they were just looking out for us, right?

[B]

Literally just taking us under their wing, like big brothers.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's really cool.

[C]

They had, like. They invited us to Vegas once when he was, like, with Hillary Duff. Joel.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And they had, like, this crazy suite, like, all slept on the floor in it. Like, I don't even know why they let us hang out there. Really.

[A]

How do you let Hillary Duff go? Is just what I want to know now.

[C]

I don't know, dude.

[A]

They were Hillary Duff.

[C]

I know. He was big pimping back then.

[A]

Yeah, he was.

[C]

But, yeah, he would just. They. They would just, like, let us hang out with them for some reason. But they were just the coolest dudes. Yeah, super cool dudes.

[A]

But you guys ended up. They helped you, but then you got fired by them, or is that.

[C]

No, no. So this is when we first started, and then we. We. We, you know, hung out with them, and then we went on our separate ways and blah, blah, blah. We ended up hiring as managers okay. Got like a decade later.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

They're great managers.

[A]

Right?

[C]

And we hired them, we did a record with them. The reason we're not we, we weren't man. They're, they work more in like the pop world.

[A]

Right.

[C]

They do like chase Atlantic and they have some great bands, but we're, you know, we're a rock band really. So it just wasn't like the best fit. They're great managers, great dudes, and they look out for their artists. It just, we love the dudes. It just was not we. We're in two different kinds of ecosystems.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But they're great dudes.

[A]

Do you guys consider yourself rock or do you guys consider yourself rap?

[C]

No, I, I, I respect. Really don't in a lot of ways. But that's just the world that we've come like with the festivals we do and stuff. We've always been like, we'll play with like Slip Knot and like wage War in these bands. We're like, why are we on these? That's the world. We've been accepted for some reason.

[A]

Even though you guys have been. I think it's cuz it's like you guys have that alpha angry probably then probably. That's literally how rock is.

[C]

We kind of just ended up in that world that was never like the world we pushed or anything like that. We would like. I, we thought we were going to be a hip hop band.

[A]

Shockingly. My husband was on all those rock festivals too.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

We're like the fray over here. Like, what are we doing in this rock festival?

[C]

They they in tech 9's always on them.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, I watched. That was great.

[B]

I think you're right. It's just the energy of the band. Yeah, that fits.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And hip hop is so popular that obviously they always have had like some hip hop type bands that I guess it makes sense. But yeah, we were just embraced by that or world more so. And like rock radio played us and you know, obviously Power 106 wasn't gonna play us. So it was like, all right, fine. So it's just kind of where we ended up.

[A]

And you guys have been touring with Ronnie Falling in Reverse.

[C]

Yeah, a lot.

[A]

Yeah. How's that going for you guys?

[B]

Awesome. Yeah, it's great. We're about to go back out with them too. For all of September.

[A]

I love that. Yeah, he's a special, special man.

[B]

I become a major fan. I think told him like, I might sign up for the meet and greet.

[A]

Literally. He could, if Ronnie wanted to, he could be a opera Singer.

[C]

Seriously, he's great. Super talented.

[A]

He's got that crazy vocal range.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And he's just funny as hell.

[A]

So take me on this journey with you guys. After you guys developed this band and the seven of you, there was a little bit of drama. We don't have to really go too deep into it, but I just want to touch base on it because your Reddit thread, for some reason, they have so many questions because they feel like they don't really know the whole story with you guys and like, why Deuce left and all that stuff. So. Can we talk about.

[C]

We never. We never talk. It's funn. We never really told anyone.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Like, people always. Part of that was because they would talk. Like we didn't want to give it any air. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But really it was just, you know, differences of opinion and it was like which direction the band was going and you know, people just, people act like it was just kind of like, you know, first and foremost. Like me and I grew up with that dude. We were like best friends from when we were little kids. It was not like easy, but people change. And it was like one of those things. It sucked. No one wanted that to happen, but none of us made that decision.

[B]

Right. He got.

[C]

He. He.

[A]

So he left on his own.

[B]

Something snapped with him. Something changed to where he all of a sudden got very controlling and very crazy and very weird. And it was. It was hard to be around. But we dealt with it, you know, and it got to a point where he left the band. Like, he's the one who left. We were at the airport, he didn't show up. So we're like, oh. So I had to sing and do all my rap parts. It was a lot of to do. So that was hard. But it was not our idea to do that. That was.

[C]

None of us fought it because at that point we were all so almost relieved cuz it was just like. But dude, it wasn't like the way we wanted it and it, it wasn't like the way we planned it. But you know, it's funny, you see this stuff and you hear about this stuff happening and when it happens in your world, you're like, what the is going on with this guy guy? But that's. That's really what happened. And it was kind of like one of those things. So I don't know how to explain it, partially because I've never talked to him since. But we were best friends from when we were little kids prior to that. And everything shifted so there's no maybe

[A]

was just too young to handle that much.

[B]

I think so at once.

[A]

Cuz that's a lot. Like when you guys post on MySpace and then you guys are signing record deals and then money's coming into play and there's seven of you.

[C]

It's like, yeah, maybe some people's just aren't made for that or whatever. But you know, to turn your friends into enemies is not the. The smartest thing to do. And that's really what happened. So it was like, well you then. And we just decided to move on. So it was never like f this dude. It was just like whatever to us.

[A]

Even though he didn't he make a dis album about you guys. Or was it.

[C]

Yeah, that was the whole thing. So there was this. He's. He's saying this, that and the other thing. And then. And you know, it was either like, do we respond? Our response was let's just not do anything because it's just going to give him air. And then obviously there was a time where Jay and Dylan were down in Hollywood and they beat him up with a. He was with a bunch of people down there.

[A]

That was my next question. So there was really a fight.

[C]

Yeah, I wouldn't even bring that up, but tmz, like right covered it. So it's already public knowledge. They found him down there and he had said enough stuff to that point. But we were never going to like post.

[A]

I love that you guys are about it though, though.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

We weren't going to say anything, but when we saw him it was on, you know what I mean? And then. So they did that and then he sued us and it was like. So we get a lot like you talk all this and then you get your ass kicked. It was. There was like three of them and like wait, dude. It was a very lopsided competition.

[A]

Competition.

[C]

Yeah. And they all ran, they all lost. The ones who stayed got their asses kicked. And then you sue as a response and act like you got jumped. It's like, dude, there was 10 of you guys and there was three of of them. And then you sue. And so there was this big lawsuit and all this stuff and a bunch of madeup stuff. He said I wasn't even there. And he said I was there with an AK. I wasn't even there. I was 20 miles away. And he put. So I wasn't there. I wish I was there, but I wasn't there.

[A]

When your reputation precedes you.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. So I wasn't even there. And I have to hire a lawyer to defend myself to prove I wasn't there. I'm. I was at home.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And trust me, I wish I was there, but I was in there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that he. All this stuff. So who, who starts a fight, loses and then sues those people?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So all this stuff happened. So we never fed the fire or anything else. We handled what we had to handle. When it came down to it, we ended up winning the loss or settling the lawsuit because we had enough ammo to say, hey, look, this guy was making enough threats that when we saw him we could prove that it was defense when we fought or whatever. So that all went away. Way the other stuff was just drama with the other dudes just not getting along, you know, normal stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That was the only real fire fiery stuff. And you know, the other stuff was just normal, hey, we don't get along anymore type stuff.

[A]

But I love that you guys, even through all of this have managed to still stay together and stuff because a lot like this would have broke up a band. Like normally this would have like, you guys would have probably done your own adventures on side quests and just let the Hollywood undead name kind of rest. But. But you guys literally just kept trucking and I think that's awesome.

[C]

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[A]

That's growth though.

[C]

That's, you know, I still want to stomp somebody out.

[A]

So there's J Dog, Funny Man, Johnny Three Tears, Charlie Sane and Danny in the group now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you guys describe each other in three brutally honest words? Each one of you guys?

[C]

Three words Per person or just you two?

[B]

Piece of.

[A]

You've been saying that since you guys were kids. What would you say? But he called you piece of, so what would you say?

[B]

No, I was just counting how many words it was.

[C]

Oh, it was about me. He just likes to count. Yeah, it's one of those things like Dustin Hoffman and Rain Man. Yeah. Counts words. I just say. Totally great guy. You know, even with the piece of thing, I just. I'm not gonna sing that. Not going to do what Deuce did.

[B]

What a good guy.

[C]

Fuck.

[B]

That's for what a good.

[A]

I love it. I love it. So how do you guys balance individual. Individual egos and visions within the band?

[C]

Now you get married and get your ego crushed.

[A]

So are all of you guys married now or. Pretty much settled down.

[B]

Everyone except for funny man got divorced.

[C]

Yeah. Be married and divorced.

[A]

Yeah, that's all right. You live and you learn. Sometimes that's how it goes. But you guys are holding on strong in your marriages. You've been married for 12 years.

[C]

Cheaper to keep her, as they say, right?

[A]

Yeah, that's what I tell my husband, too.

[C]

You know, my wife loves this show, so. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. What's her name?

[C]

Asia. And she told me to say hi.

[A]

Hi, Asia. See, I bet you she's hot, too. I want to see you guys as wives. I don't think I've ever seen you guys as wives. I've seen J Dog's wife and I love J Dog. And shout out to J Dog because people give me about my cows on online and he'll be in the comments sticking up for me.

[B]

Oh, hell yeah.

[C]

He loves.

[A]

So sweet.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

Yeah, he's.

[C]

He's an ass animal lover.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[C]

He's got like 90 cats.

[A]

Oh, damn.

[C]

Yeah, he, like. He's always got some animal.

[A]

Crazy cat, man. I don't know if that's an animal lover. That's a crazy cat, man.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a cat. He's always. I remember I. When we used to work in North Hollywood together, he had. We had like this kind of like trap house type thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it was right. There was like a bum village right by it. Yeah. And we're always going in there to like, rescue the cats that live there. Or he would go in there, there, and the bums didn't want to give up the cats, so we'd have to like bribe them to get the cats.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Because otherwise they would just run around out of control having more kittens and they die and stuff. So, you know, negotiating with these bums like, to get. Give us the cats. We're always on these crazy cat adventures.

[A]

I love that, though.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you guys do contribute, like, calming down to being married, having babies. Do you have babies?

[B]

Yeah, I have two boys.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[B]

Five and six.

[A]

Five and six. And how old are your babies?

[C]

Three girls. One's. Three. One's. Five and one is 16.

[A]

Karma came for you, Tough.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. You want to hear something cool? Me and him had a kid on the exact same day. He has got a boy, and I have a girl born in this at the same day at the same hospital right down the hall from each other.

[B]

Yeah, it was like a Disney movie.

[C]

It was beautiful.

[A]

I feel like you guys were either brothers in another life or something.

[C]

You guys definitely just call me a piece of. We're gonna be.

[B]

We're gonna be related, too, because my son's going to be hitting that goodness.

[C]

Not just one, there's going to be his first threesome with the two youngest.

[A]

Oh, for the. The Eiffel Tower.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Love that.

[C]

I'm going to be proud.

[A]

Love that. Love that. I love that. Do you guys feel like your recent music reflects growth and. Or, like, do you guys feel like your recent albums that you've dropped reflect growth from the boys that you guys used to be, or are those wild party boys still in.

[B]

In there for sure?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, I. I Honestly, it's funny. I. I look at, like, me. I used to think of it. It's. Music's not, like, linear like that, you know, So I don't. There's something that's great. Like, when I listen to, like, early Beastie Boy stuff, you could say, like, oh, they grew because their music became more, like, complex or because the subject matter was. But I love their early stuff just as much. It's more just like where someone is. Is at. You know what I mean? So it's like our early stuff, we were just really young, and, like, one of the things I love about it is, like, all the anger was so sincere. And that's the, you know, in, like, the party stuff, we really were still doing all that stuff. So I don't look at it as. It's just two different time periods. And I really cherished when I listen that stuff. I used to get kind of like, oh, I would have done something differently. I really did get caught up in that, and now I don't. Now I listen to it and I really do, like, look at it and kind of, like, encapsulated as something special. Whereas before I used to be like, we should have done this different or that different, or we could have made this better, as opposed. Now I just kind of go, you know what that was. It was cool for what it was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, period in our life. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like, I think we try for the most part, or we do. Right. From honesty. And, like, we're not, like, saying we're doing something that we're not. So it's like, do I show my dick and go to the club and do Jager bombs? No, I don't do that anymore.

[A]

And no dick on the chopping block, which I still want to see. Maybe we're gonna catch you guys out on tour and you can show Jay and I that.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely, we'll do that.

[B]

The meet and greet. Yeah. M E A T. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. So we're just writing from real places now and. And we still write party songs, too, but it. But they're just different now, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You have to evolve.

[B]

Yeah, you have.

[A]

My husband says that all the time because, you know, people want rapper roll back. And he's like, what, I'm 40 years old. What am I supposed to sing about? Rap about drugs?

[C]

And the truth is, if you're not. You're like a. You're. You're trying not to then. Because if you know what I mean. It's like if we wrote Undead again, because a lot we've heard.

[A]

I love Undead. I will beat somebody up listening to Undead.

[C]

Every label we ever. Every man. Hey, why you guys ever try and write another Undead? It's like, that doesn't ha. It doesn't exist because it was organic. We were mad, and it was like a period in time.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And if we wrote another Undead, people like, oh, this isn't as good as the undead.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You can't. So it's like the whole concept of redoing, like, or remaking something you've already done is impossible because you're like a completely different person. It was 20 years ago.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You just got to find the next thing that's as good. But just honest.

[C]

It's always going to be different, though.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

You know, and, you know, it's like your. Your concerns and where you're at emotionally and spiritually and stuff is much different 20 years later.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That doesn't mean your music can't be just as good. It's just going to be about something else.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Can you tell me the story about when you hung out with my husband and ended up having to sleep in your car.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The truth too, right?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah. That was a good night. Can I tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So help me God, I'll tell you my version of the truth.

[A]

Listen, we can cut out whatever you need to, but I would like to hear.

[C]

No, I don't care.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So we went there and I actually drove there because I was like, I'm not gonna drink or anything. So normally, like, if I was gonna, you know, I would Uber or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I drove there, and we're sitting around with Baelish and jelly and some other dudes and him and stuff. And then they started. We had some, like, tequila and stuff. And then there was like, some drugs. Can't. You know, cocaine came out. So I was like, oh, boy, this is gonna turn into something different. I was like, oh, I drove, you know, So I was trying to kind of be like, I drove. I can't really. He's like, oh, don't worry about it. My security card will drive your car home. And I was like, well, then how's he gonna get back? He's like, my other security guard will drive him back. I was like. So I kind of ran out of excuses. I was like, okay. And so we drank and then we, like, we had, like. I remember he spelled out a giant G and a giant J and cocaine, like, spelled out the lettering, but he. He didn't touch it. So I did the whole G.

[A]

He's like, I took it upon myself.

[C]

I took it upon myself. He was like, no, thank you. And we recorded the song. And I remember, too, it took me because I was so yacked out. It took me.

[A]

I was gonna say, I thought you turned into, like, the. Not the fun guy when you did blow.

[C]

Yeah, it wasn't no jelly roll. Even said. He's like, man, you said when you did coke, you changed. And when you do coke, you change. Yeah, because I get really, like, wired up and it makes me want to

[A]

rock if I'm not absolutely, completely shitfaced.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I do a line of cocaine. I will rock back and forth like I'm in a straight jacket. Like, I don't.

[C]

That's the problem is. So you're in a studio trying to record and you're boxed in and you're trying to, like, focus. That is the worst thing for me to try and do if I'm doing blow.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So anyway, at the end of the night comes around and the dude, this big ass security guard is like, driving me home. I don't even know.

[A]

Probably Maui.

[C]

He's super cool. Yeah, but, you know, he was just like, you know, he's like. He's shut the up, white boy. So he drives me. None other guys follows. And then we get there, and I'm knocking on the door, and no one will let me in. I'm pretty sure my wife.

[B]

It's like 7 in the morning or

[C]

6 in the morning. No, the sun was coming up, so

[A]

it was like, oh, I hate that feeling.

[C]

I was like, dude, I'll just go in my car. It's fine. He's like, no. Jelly told me not to leave until I see you go in the house. I was like, dude, leave. And he's like, I can't do that. And I was like, dude, you're going to get me. Like, this is going to be way worse if my wife wakes up and I'm here with some giant security guard. It's going to make. We get me. He's like, I'm sorry. He's my boss. I can't go. And I was like, oh, my God, what am I going to do? And, like, people are waking up and walking their dogs. This guy's, like, 7ft tall. And I'm standing up from my house, poked out of my brain. And so I was like, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? So I was like, okay, well, let me try the garage. And I open it, and there's, like, a fridge that blocks the garage door. And I acted like I was opening the door, and he was, like, standing out there like this. And so I was like, oh, it's open. And he was like. Like this. And I saw. I went like this behind the. Like, duck behind it.

[B]

You can see him peering around

[C]

finally, like, all right. And I just hid Lara like that until he drove away. He went and hid my car for the rest of the night.

[A]

Oh, my God. That is brutal. You had to sleep in the car? Did you sleep at all? What happened when you got in the car? That's what I'm curious about.

[C]

No, I. I laid there, and then. I don't know. I probably would listen like some Billy Joel and just.

[A]

I used to drink mouthwash to go to sleep on, like, oh, I've done that. Yeah.

[C]

When I didn't have any alcohol.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I was probably just laying there, scared of my wife.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know.

[A]

So was wifey pissed?

[C]

No, she was cool about it. I don't know if she knows what happened. So now, probably.

[A]

Yeah, I'm Going to have to ask my husband if I can release the whole story. Yeah, I love that.

[C]

No, it's okay with me because now. You know, it's funny, because I haven't drank or done drugs in two years, and she asked me if I could do it for a year, and I said yes, I did a year. And then I was allowed to drink or do whatever I wanted, and I just did another year because I was like, why not keep going?

[A]

So two years behind. I'm telling you, when I. I got. So I got sober in 2017 off pills and cocaine. 2018, off alcohol. Sobriety sucks. It's the worst journey that you'll ever go on, but it is the most rewarding and most fulfilling. The more years you get under your belt, you don't even. I used to wake up and crave chewing a Xanax and, like, drinking vodka, and now I couldn't. I can't even take cough syrup. You know, like, it's crazy how we change as we get older. And when you really just have a goal that you want to reach as

[B]

far as good for you, that's really

[C]

good for you, that's of that. It's tough. And life is much more fulfilling without that stuff at least. You know, the way I look at it, too, is, like, stuff's hard, but at least you have, like, a chance to fix things and you're at least up to bat. If you keep. If I kept drinking or you keep doing that stuff, you're never even to get up to the plate. You're just going to keep knocking yourself back down before you even have a shot, so.

[A]

And having to start over.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's like, is it worth it to have to knock all those days down that you just accumulated under your belt for a drink or for a night of just really like. And hangovers are not the same. Are you guys in your 40s?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hangovers are not the same.

[C]

No.

[B]

They're two days minimum.

[A]

Oh, I get three. I mean, and then my mental health afterwards is just, like, depressing the worst. You get anxiety, you get depression.

[C]

Like, people talk to you like, yeah,

[A]

no, I. I won't leave my house. Like, Thai food all for all three days. I will not leave my house.

[B]

Weird Thai food at the same region, do the same cuisine when we're hungover.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll drink coconut soup all day long, eat curry like it destroys you.

[C]

And imagine those wasted days, three days where you could have been doing all this stuff.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

You're just watching X Files, which is what I do.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's like I just waste my life.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All these. All that time. And then, you know, I have three kids when my. When. Oh, dad, I'm tired. I can't go to the park because I'm. You know, I'm lying. And it's like, dude, this.

[A]

They don't take no kid. And these kids these days do not take no for an answer.

[B]

Hell no.

[C]

No. I know. Yeah. You're missing all these good memories and stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I'm proud of you for the two years.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

I'm very proud of you. So, moving on, what do. What do we have to look forward from you guys this year? 2025 and next year? 2026.

[B]

We got that tour with Falling In Reverse in September. And then we're working with the producer, Tyler Smith, who we're super excited to work with. He. He did the song Savior that just came out, and he's just the most talented producer I've ever worked with personally. And the crazy thing about him, he

[C]

doesn't know he lives in the hood, though.

[B]

Yeah, he lives in the hood.

[A]

That's the one in east la.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He produced I Prevail and Falling In Reverse when both those bands used to open for us, and he produced them and they're the biggest rock bands out there now, so we're hoping he can do that for us.

[A]

Yeah, I think you guys are like. You guys have had nine lives. Like, it's for this band to make it through all you guys have. And 20 years. You guys are still making new albums, recreating yourself. I mean, you guys are going to be here for a while. You guys aren't going anywhere.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You never know, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's what keeps us going.

[A]

What do you think the sound is going to be like on this next album? What are you guys hoping it'll be?

[C]

I mean. Well, say the song. We just. We had two songs come out so far and both of them are like completely dis identical from each other. Yeah, I. What I always. What I always like to. I. I just want to make sure that what we're doing is not nothing like what we've done before. That's always what I go for and I think what we go for and. Yeah. Keeping it original. When I listen to, you know, when I listen to the radio, I always listen to it to make sure we don't sound like anything on it.

[A]

Yeah. Would you guys ever do country?

[C]

Yeah, he loves.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I like writing produce country since I moved out here in Nashville. Yeah. Shout out locate. I told him I drop his name on here.

[A]

I love it. I love that.

[C]

Showing my dick since we're here.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I always send him pictures.

[A]

Yes. Asia, come on down, baby. So would you guys do, like, a country song? Because I know when you guys, you know, collabed with my husband, and I think that that song was. Was great. It wasn't country, but it was great.

[C]

Right?

[A]

You guys should collab again and do, like, something.

[B]

Heck, yeah.

[A]

That would be amazing.

[B]

That would be awesome. No, I've always. I think, like, in Hollywood undead, we do have the luxury of doing any genre. And I've talked about country enough to where fans are almost expecting us to do a country song that also is Hollywood undead.

[C]

We could essentially do anything we want.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Like, whatever. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I could see you guys doing a doy do thing on stage. Yeah, no, that would be lit. You guys, thank you so much for coming by.

[C]

Our pleasure.

[B]

Thank you for having us.

[A]

I'm glad we finally made this happen.

[C]

Yeah, totally.

[A]

Long time coming. Tell everybody where they can find you guys on your social medias if they aren't already following you.

[B]

Just any social media. Hollywood undead.

[A]

There you go.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know anything about that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you guys have personal profiles?

[B]

Yeah. The real truth. Charlie scene. Easy.

[C]

No, piece of.

[B]

The real Charlie scene. T H e. No, not Sheen. And then what's yours? Johnny Three tears, I'm guessing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Probably Johnny Three Two or something. Or piece of Slash. Piece of.

[B]

No, I take that back. Handsome devil. That's handsome devil.

[A]

And catch you guys on tour with Falling in Reverse this summer.

[B]

September. Yep.

[C]

Slaughter to prevail.

[A]

Where are you guys going? Is this out of the country or is this here?

[B]

U.S. canada, a little bit.

[A]

Okay, awesome. Yay. We'll go get your tickets, guys. And if we're on the road when you guys are on the road, I want to come see a show.

[B]

Heck, yeah.

[C]

That'd be fun.

[A]

All right, cool. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. See you guys next week. Bye.