Dumb Blonde Podcast: Farrah Abraham

Summary

Dumb Blonde Podcast: Farrah Abraham & Sophia Abraham

Release Date: February 15, 2026
Host: Bunnie XO / Dumb Blonde Productions
Guests: Farrah Abraham (Teen Mom alum, entrepreneur), Sophia Abraham (her daughter)

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Overview

In this deeply candid and surprisingly lighthearted episode, Bunnie XO welcomes Farrah Abraham and her 15-year-old daughter, Sophia, for the podcast’s first-ever mother-daughter interview. The conversation spans their life in the public eye, Farrah’s headline-grabbing controversies, their unique bond, overcoming generational trauma, and Sophia’s coming-of-age experience with fame. The episode doesn’t shy away from painful subjects—trauma, sexual assault, family estrangement—but brings humor, warmth, and vulnerability to every topic.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Body Image, Plastic Surgery, and Social Media Misconceptions

• Farrah’s Plastic Surgery Journey:
  • Farrah recounts her procedures: a nose job, former chin implant, some filler (05:12).
  • “I had that chin implant. And so for people to say, ‘Oh, we love Farrah better then,’ when I was definitely anti myself and peer-pressured—that was just way too much.” — Farrah (06:05)
  • Farrah emphasizes she’s now focused on “rejuvenation, skin tightening, and real self-love.” (06:24)
• The Role of Filters:
  • Both Farrah and Bunnie agree social media filters mislead fans about the extent of their cosmetic enhancements (04:33–05:00).
  • “It’s the filters that we use make us look like we have way more work done than we do…” — Bunnie (04:49)

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2. Parenting Philosophy & Generational Healing

• Empowering Sophia’s Autonomy:

  • The tongue piercing controversy: Sophia describes her piercings as an expression of confidence (07:21).
  • Farrah defends her parenting: “I’m here to make sure my child’s seen, she is safe, and she is supported. So if those three things are always top of mind, then I know my parent journey is right where it needs to be.” (08:18)
  • Both Sophia and Bunnie’s stepdaughter Bailey have experienced freedom in self-expression, with Bunnie and Farrah agreeing on the importance of picking parenting battles (10:32).

• Breaking Family Trauma:

  • Farrah shares being called a “witch” by her mom for wanting rhinoplasty (11:45).
  • “Your self-worth needs to be built up so that you are not vulnerable for other things. I was very much predatored on and still dealing with some of those problems.” (11:52)

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3. Mother-Daughter Dynamic and Fame

• Their Relationship:

  • “Would you consider your mom your best friend?” Bunnie asks. “I mean… yeah, she is my mom.” — Sophia (12:31)
  • Candid discussion about growing up in the public eye (“literally you as a baby... you have grown up in front of the world”) and Sophia’s current TikTok popularity (12:48).

• Embracing Subcultures:

  • Sophia explains the difference between goth and emo identity, expressing admiration for goth culture on TikTok (13:20–14:08).
  • “Goth is like black dresses, corsets, and lots of jewelry… I want to be traditional goth one day.” — Sophia (14:00)

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4. Farrah’s Parenting Reforms: School & Diagnoses

• Homeschooling Sophia: Farrah discusses her decision to homeschool Sophia due to her own negative experiences with public school, emphasizing individualized pathways (16:18).
• Brain Scans and Neurodivergence:
  • Both Farrah and Sophia underwent brain scans with Dr. Daniel Amen, learning about their ADHD and brain types (18:08–20:16).
  • “To know yourself better than anyone else could tell you is probably the biggest gift in our journey of life.” — Farrah (18:19)
  • Connection between neurodivergence, social struggles, and dating compatibility (19:47–21:49).

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5. Trauma, Recovery, and Legal Battles

• 12-Step & Trauma Recovery:
  • Farrah describes her transformational journey through a trauma-informed 12-step program following a sexual assault (22:42–25:57).
    • “If you are feeling, ‘Whoa, I keep dating lots of bad people... having fights and arguments,’ it’s because you need a reset, you need to recover.” (23:57)
• Sexual Assault Experience:
  • Farrah shares, with care, her experience of being drugged and raped, legal complexities, and why she channels trauma into art and screenwriting (“power of the pen”) (29:44–32:45).
  • “Doing the best you can when you are the crime scene... I had to do a lot of therapeutic work.” (30:48–31:36)
• Estrangement From Family:
  • After trauma therapy and taking inventory of relationships: “I stopped talking to my mom, I stopped talking to my dad… I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life.” (35:00–36:44)
  • Sophia affirms she’s comfortable not talking to her grandparents (37:49).

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6. Public Scrutiny, Lawsuits, and Comedy as Healing

• Legal Troubles and Public Perception:
  • Ongoing lawsuits and the enduring stress of being a tabloid fixture (47:25–52:36).
  • Farrah explains her side of the infamous security guard incident, the toll of being targeted, and the steps she's taking to protect herself.
• Turning to Comedy:
  • Farrah discusses her plans to move into comedy, wanting a roast and to use laughter as medicine; inspired by an old Comedy Central special: “I want to do things with comedy and maybe just talk about behavior in a funny way. Learning behavior and learning myself has been a good soul journey.” (53:10)

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7. Sexuality, OnlyFans, and Owning Femininity

• OF and Stigma:

  • OF (OnlyFans) is a positive and lucrative outlet for Farrah, despite outside judgment: “OF is a lot of positivity compared to all the negativity.” (83:24)
  • “If it’s good for my relationship, if it’s good for my business, if it’s good for me, oh my God, could life get any greater?” (85:14)

• Sex Tape, Novelty Products, and Meaning:

  • Farrah reframes her past sex tape and adult ventures:
    • “When I see a sex tape, I see someone who is battling face dysmorphia, unloved, going through the loss of her dad… Nothing I want ever in my life again… But it helped me become aware that I needed mental help.” (86:59–89:18)

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8. Sophia’s Experience Growing Up With Fame

• Making Friends & Finstas:
  • Sophia explains friendship challenges and how she uses “secret accounts” to meet people, protecting her identity until trust is built. She’s pragmatic about being rejected due to her family’s fame (70:13).
  • Both mother and daughter find the “catfish positive” approach effective for building real connections (73:01–73:45).

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9. Romance and Dating in the Spotlight

• Farrah’s Dating Evolution:

  • Farrah describes her unconventional and intensive approach to dating, completing the “Guardian of Your Soul” program, going on nearly 100 dates before meeting her current partner (62:20–64:26).
  • Sophisticated boundaries: keeping her relationship under wraps to protect it from public scrutiny.

• Sophia’s First Romance:

  • Sophia met her current boyfriend via VR chat. “Both of us met our boyfriends online, essentially.” — Farrah (69:39)
  • Farrah is grateful Sophia’s first relationship is healthy and miles apart from her own at that age (68:23).

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10. Online Bullying, Media, and Resilience

• Handling Bullying & Press Misrepresentation:
  • Farrah addresses her beef with Nicki Minaj and other public figures, calling out bullying and the harm of “mental illness on a platform” (74:10–76:59).
  • Bunnie and Farrah commiserate over online abuse, Farrah revealing it’s led to shame and depression at times, but that she’s developed resilience and healthy boundaries. (77:14–80:52)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Being Her Own Person:
  “I have no competition with my mom, my grandma, my sister… I am running my own race and being the best parent that I can be.” — Farrah, on mothering Sophia (16:23)

• On Abuse Survivors Needing Help:
  “I think with one trauma, like a sexual assault trauma, I don’t think I could endure or live if I didn’t go get help.” — Farrah (24:29)

• On Estrangement and Healing:
  “I just taught myself to be like, okay, that’s where someone is. They can’t meet me, and I have to go live my own life... I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life.” — Farrah (36:44)

• On Her Sex Tape:
  “I literally look at my sex tape and see someone who... feels so unloved, who is going through just, like, bereavement of the loss of her dad. I see something of nothing I want ever in my life again.” — Farrah (88:13)

• On OF (OnlyFans):
  “I don’t know, I just find it weird when people really want to… get in my personal life... But my OF is doing fabulous, and I love my OF.” — Farrah (82:43, 83:27)

• On Daughters as Soulmates:
  “I do feel like I was given my child, like Sophia. Even when nothing was perfect... I was meant to be there at this time with her.” — Farrah (58:15)

• On Public Scrutiny:
  “My lawyers were literally like, you cannot talk to them anymore if they want to behave this way. If they can’t tell the right news, I’m not responding to them.” — Farrah, on hostile press coverage (78:35)

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Plastic Surgery & Filters: 03:37–06:42
• Parenting & Piercings: 07:09–11:22
• Mother-Daughter Dynamics: 12:26–13:35
• Emo vs. Goth Explained: 13:12–14:31
• School Choices, Brain Scans: 16:18–21:26
• Trauma Therapy: 22:42–27:09
• Sexual Assault Details: 29:44–31:36
• Harvard & Writing as Healing: 32:45–34:17
• Family Estrangement: 34:46–39:34
• Legal Battles/Lawsuits: 47:02–52:36
• Comedy Career & Reinvention: 52:44–55:10
• OF Discussion & Stigma: 83:24–86:13
• Dating Journey & Sophia’s Romance: 62:20–69:39
• Online Identity / Friendship: 70:13–73:45
• Dealing with Bullying: 74:10–80:52
• Future Goals (Law School, Music): 89:19–91:20

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Overall Tone and Reflection

Warm, vulnerable, and at times raw—Farrah is both fiercely unapologetic and unexpectedly self-aware. Bunnie fosters a supportive space for Farrah and Sophia to speak frankly about trauma, beauty standards, and surviving celebrity culture. Humor, healing, and mother-daughter love shine through, even amidst difficult stories. Listeners get a glimpse of Farrah’s growth, Sophia’s budding identity, and the possibilities for breaking cycles and forging a new, authentic path forward.

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For those who only know Farrah as a tabloid headline, this episode brings real empathy and context. It’s an intimate conversation about survival, evolving love, the price of fame—and how, together, Farrah and Sophia keep moving forward.

Transcript

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[Podcast Host]

Is this thing on?

[Farrah Abraham]

Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

[Podcast Host]

Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors, lawyers, and. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of money, and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are. What's up, you sexy? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today I have a mother daughter duo, which is a first for me because I normally don't do mother daughter duos, but these two have grown up together in the public eye, and I figured, what better duo to bring on then Sophia and Farah Abrams?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yes, I know what a good duo that is.

[Sophia Abrams]

True.

[Farrah Abraham]

I feel like we've definitely grown up together. I am her mom. But yes.

[Podcast Host]

I just want to say you look beautiful.

[Farrah Abraham]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host]

I feel like the tabloids attack you so much for, like, work that you get done. And I mean, you know, they attack me too, so I know how it feels. But it's like seeing you in person, I'm like, you look fucking gorgeous. Like, what? What are they talking about?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, thanks. You know, I can't help but social media cameras look like that cracks me up because literally, as we're flying in here, I'm like, sophia, someone tagged me on this crazy, like, artwork of my botched face that doesn't look like my botched face. I'm like, this is funny today. This gives me some laughter. Sophia just, like, laughs at it too. But I'm like, I'm really happy. I don't do, like, much work. I take things out of my face. I really am on a journey of, like, really getting back to myself. And so it's kind of funny when I just do a live and our cameras are weird and people think I've gone crazy with plastic surgery, but that's not the case.

[Podcast Host]

Well, I figured it out because I went down a wormhole just, like, reading, and it's because you use filters. And so that's honestly, the same thing was happening to me. People were like, how much work have you had done? And I'm like, bro, I've had Botox and fucking a little bit of filler.

[Host/Advertiser]

In my lips done.

[Podcast Host]

Like, what are they talking about?

[Farrah Abraham]

And that's because it's gone.

[Podcast Host]

The filters that we use make us look like we have way more work done than we do because you're sitting.

[Host/Advertiser]

Here and you look gorgeous.

[Podcast Host]

So I'M just like, I do have.

[Farrah Abraham]

My Farah filter that has, like, had billions of hits and I love it. And if I don't like to get ready that day, I will totally use that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. What have you had done so. So that we can clarify that with everybody?

[Farrah Abraham]

Well, I, you know. Okay, so I will just say I have had a nose job. I have had a chin implant. I. And then I just dabble here and there with fillers at times that go, you know, they stay, they go. But I also, like, was trying to do a lip implant and I was on botch the show because I almost died from that, so. And I took out my chin implant, but for some reason.

[Podcast Host]

Take out the chin.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I took out my chin implant. And for some reason, people always go back and compare Farrah looks great like this with the face that had a chin implant, a swollen nose from a surgery. Just. I was actually really depressed at that year of my life. Like, that was the most. What's it called, like, when you're just to the lowest.

[Podcast Host]

Your lowest point?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, it's like a face dysmorphia, like when you have body dysmorphia. I had that at that time when I had that chin implant. And so for people to say, oh, we love Farah better then when I was definitely like anti myself and peer pressured and just like, oh, I want to look good. That was just like way too much. So. I love my face now. I love who I am. I love coming back to myself. Maybe like just rejuvenation and skin tightening and really taking care and upkeep of myself is what I pride myself on. And that's like good self love.

[Podcast Host]

There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I think people get it twisted. They're like, when women get filter fillers and Botox and stuff like that, they're like, oh, she must be unhappy with herself. And it's like, no, I like to invest in myself. Your body is an investment.

[Farrah Abraham]

It is an investment.

[Podcast Host]

It's a temple. You gotta dress it up or dress it down, whatever you want to do. But it's your body to do that with, so. Well, yeah, enough about your looks. I just wanted to hone in on that because I feel like the tablets just tear you apart for that and that's not fair, you know? So I don't like that at all.

[Farrah Abraham]

But yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Sophia, we have you sitting here too. How are you doing, baby?

[Sophia Abrams]

I'm doing good.

[Podcast Host]

She just got her tongue pierced, so she said she doesn't want to talk a lot. The Tongue piercing actually caused a ton of controversy.

[Sophia Abrams]

I know people hate a lot on, like, every single piercing I get. And it's just like, chill, like it's not that big of a deal, you know? But I do know some people are really strict about that growing up and. But it's just me. And I feel like getting piercings enhances my looks and I feel really confident about them and I make sure to get ones that I know I would actually look good in. So, yeah, I'm confident in my piercings and I love them. And they are all healing really good.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I love that. I went through a piercing phase when I was young too. I did it behind my parents back, though, because they wouldn't allow it. How do you feel about everybody just questioning your parenting because you let your kid get, what is it? A tongue piercing and snake bites?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, good, good point. Bunny segue into how I feel. So we've had parents even come with us to the piercing place, like on her birthday. And I do see this psychological, like, spiral that other parents go through when they're seeing Sophia choose this consent to do this. I have to sign off as a parent and give consent to it. And I'm not there to freak out, go in a spiral, like, shame, blame, reject my child. I'm here to make sure my child's seen she is safe and she is supported. So if those three things are always top of mind, then I know that what I'm doing, the footsteps that I'm walking in, my parent journey are right where they need to be for my child. So, yeah, I could say a lot about other parents and what they feel about me and my daughter's friends, parents. But I also know once they calm themselves and maybe do a therapy session, they usually text me and really are like, wow, you opened my eyes to parenting in a different way. I love that. Yeah. I was never the girl, though. I was never the kid growing up to be like, could I get a piercing? Could I get a tattoo? Could I get this? Could I get that? It was just no one ever had any of those things growing up. And so I just never thought about it. And when I'm like, famous and people are just like, I'll give you free this, free this, free this, free tattoos. Like, I could tattoo up my whole body. I could do all that. I just myself, personally, I'm not prepared for that. But I see, like, Sophia is prepared. She's at that point in her mental state in her life, and she can do that. And I am not the person to. I don't know. I've just gone through this whole thing with a lot of legal battles that I am going through. And I learned so much about consent, culture and leading with that and allowing someone to have their will, their rights, their freedoms. And I think that's just very important on maybe the littlest things like a piercing or tattoos. And so I'm just, again, those three things. Seeing safe, supported, that's all I need to be for my child.

[Podcast Host]

I never thought that I would agree with you more. I totally feel the same way. Because I feel like in this generation of parenting and children, because we have a 16 year old, she's about to be 16, there's so much more. You got to choose your battles. There is so much more worse that these kids could get into. Excuse my language. That these kids could be getting into. And it's like if they want to get a piercing, they're gonna. It's either it's a phase or it's not. I kept mine for 20 years, you know what I'm saying? So it's like if Bailey wants to come to me and get a piercing, that's gonna make me happy. Because she could be like, doing other things that are way worse behind my. Our, you know, her parents back. And I just totally agree with that. I think making kids feel seen and heard and letting them be who they want to be and having free will is an amazing route to go. How do you feel about that? Do you love that your mom lets you get piercings and stuff like that?

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah, I'm very grateful that she supports all my decisions and my piercings.

[Podcast Host]

We love your look. We were just talking about it. I was like, if I could look like Sophia, I would because that's really how I look on the inside.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love Sophia's look too, and I'm happy with whatever look she decides and what she loves. Yeah. I just feel like I was just raised in a different way. Like I was called a witch for wanting a rhinoplasty. I like.

[Podcast Host]

By your mom.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, by my mom. So I know that that doesn't give anyone self worth. Like feeling worthy. And that is number one when you're getting, you know, if you have fame or if you have anything, your self worth needs to be built up so that you are not vulnerable for other things. Like, I was very much predatored on and still dealing with some of those problems. So I'm just trying to set up a next generation to have that safe grid. Yeah. That safe place be seen. Know who they are. And not seek that in other people.

[Podcast Host]

Not seek validation in other people. Speaking of moms, would you consider your mom your best friend?

[Sophia Abrams]

I mean. Yeah, she is my mom.

[Farrah Abraham]

I am your mom.

[Sophia Abrams]

My best friend.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Thank you so.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love you. You're so. You're so cute. I'm so cold, but I want to.

[Podcast Host]

Give you a hug. Aw.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love you, honey. I love you.

[Podcast Host]

You guys have pretty much grown up together. The world has watched both of you guys grow up. Like, literally you as a baby, you have grown up in front of the world. And I think that's why everybody is so obsessed with you now. Like, you're kind of like the new it girl on TikTok right now, because everybody's like, what's Sophia doing?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, Sophia does not like to show much that she does. So, yeah, that could be the emo in her, but, yes, not emo.

[Sophia Abrams]

I'm goth.

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh, Goth. That could be the goth in her.

[Podcast Host]

Describe to us. Explain to us what the difference between emo and goth is, just in case people at home don't know.

[Sophia Abrams]

So I do know that there is many types of goth, goths out there, like traditional goth and just I would say regular goth. But emo is like regular dark clothes, I feel like. And accessories. I mean, today I'm kind of emo because I didn't want to go all out. But goth, I feel like, is like black dresses, corsets, and lots of jewelry, sometimes belts. I follow a lot of goth people on TikTok and they are so cool. I admire them and I want to be like traditional goth. I feel like, one day. But yeah, today I'm kind of email, I would say.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love these. I love goth.

[Podcast Host]

I love emo. I love it all. I always thought it was music selection. I always thought. Mimi, haven't we talked about this before? Isn't, like emo and goth like music selection?

[Farrah Abraham]

Isn't it music and interest of, like, the culture? Because, like, a emo culture is significantly different than a gothic culture. Like, what your interests are in per se of those things.

[Podcast Host]

And their music is completely 50, 50 different, right?

[Sophia Abrams]

Yes.

[Farrah Abraham]

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[Podcast Host]

Like you are having an opportunity to be the mom that you never had with Sophia?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. I mean I don't know if it's the opportunity to be the mom that I never have, but I have one opportunity to be the best parent that I can be in my life. I have no competition with my mom, my grandma, my sister. I have no competition with anyone to be the best mom. I am running my own race and being the best parent that I can be. And I was giving given like eye opening experiences in my lifetime to say like I'm not repeating that with my child. So like public school, it wasn't going to be repeated. I had a superintendent as a neighbor. No matter how much we push and push and push to have a better, safer public school environment, it just never happened for me. Like fights, bad situations and I guess like when like a public or governmental system fails, I take it upon myself to just lead. So I found like best homeschooling Practices and whatever else, like, for Sophia's career, those type of things. I don't know. No one's laid out the. No one's laid out that path. So I definitely am just, like, I'm on this journey and figuring out as fast and as best as I can.

[Podcast Host]

I don't think anybody knows how to be a parent. I inherited a child, and we're still figuring it out. You know, we got full custody of Bailey seven years ago, and nobody gives you a handbook and says, hey, this is how you have to be a parent. And there's also no one size fits all to being a parent.

[Farrah Abraham]

That's right. Yeah.

[Host/Advertiser]

Every child is different.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Every emotion, every personality, it's just all different. And so I think what I think, as long as Sophia is happy and healthy and feels like she's safe, that's. You're already winning. Yeah. And do you feel these things, Sophia?

[Sophia Abrams]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

She's shaking her head over here. Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

I mean, everyone is different. I mean, I got Sophia's brain scanned, and I got my brain scanned from Doc.

[Podcast Host]

Amen.

[Farrah Abraham]

Right, Dr. Amen.

[Podcast Host]

How was that? Because I was gonna do that with him too, but I chickened out.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. It is life changing. I feel like that is literally what I mean. To know yourself better than anyone else could tell you who you are. I think that's probably like, the biggest gift in our journey of life, is to know yourself, see yourself fully, not guess from a therapist and be like, oh, I. I have this. I'm dealing with this. And, well, let's try to, like, guess. But I also think for children who just aren't diagnosed properly with different ADA compliances, I just was kind of tired of not having the help or the support, and that's why we kept switching schools. But myself, I found out that I was, like, ADA compliant ADHD. I like, when I was 29. And to go through my whole life of people just wrongfully firing me, telling me I'm difficult, like, girls not liking me, my family, like, kind of disowning me. I just was like, I can't be mad at them. I can't dislike them. I can't, like, have hate towards them. But I also know, like, I just need people who are educated around me. I need to thrive. I'm done with all that traumatic crisis behavior, and just, I really want to have education in my journey now as parenting.

[Podcast Host]

So do you feel like getting that diagnosis helped kind of clear things up for you? Of, like, oh, this is why I've acted the way that I've acted. And this is why people have perceived me of how I've been acting.

[Farrah Abraham]

And I also think, like, dating, when you know, like what your brain type is and what you like. I think only certain dating shows show like, oh, this is a pet peeve. And this is what I don't like. But if we really like started employing like brain matching and like those psychological factors, we would find our soulmates faster. We would understand what we need, like, what's going to be a good match for us.

[Podcast Host]

So describe to me what a brain match is, because I would like to know.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yes. So Dr. Amen has something free online and it's like a brain survey and you find your brain type. So I have brain type 2. Sophia's 10, right? Pardon me? Yeah, Sophia's very type 10. And it.

[Podcast Host]

Can you describe what they are to me? Like, what is it? What is a 10?

[Farrah Abraham]

Okay, so part of me with my 80, ADHD and attentive disorder is like, I will like short term memory loss. Like, I can't recite it back. I'd have to look it up. So just being frank, but so mine's like, I don't even know. I forgot like the foods, types of friends, types of jobs.

[Advertiser Voice]

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[Podcast Host]

So it breaks it down like that.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, they break it down. They kind of make it individualistic and. Yeah. So when I went on this like 12 step dating journey and learning how to date again, and we were talking so much, so she was like, go on all these dates. And I stopped doing dating shows because it just was not happening there. And I was like talking to these people in depth, like about intentional dating, like trying to figure out like their brain types. And sure enough, the boyfriend I have right now, he has the same brain type as me. He took the survey and he's gonna get his brain scanned.

[Podcast Host]

That's like us with the autism test. We make everybody that wants to come in our circle and hang out take the autism test. Because I am high on the autism thing. So is Haley and so is Mimi.

[Farrah Abraham]

We all. Oh, I have no idea what's.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, I'm gonna give it to you.

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh, yeah. What is it? Rads.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, we'll send it to you. I would love to you guys take it tonight. No, please, you guys have to take it tonight. And I want to know you guys scores.

[Farrah Abraham]

Okay, so does this mean everyone has autism?

[Podcast Host]

I mean, I think a lot of us have a splash of it for sure.

[Farrah Abraham]

For some reason that didn't show up on my brain scan. I just want to let you know, I don't know if I can be in your friend group.

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Does autism show up on brain scans? I wonder if it does or if it doesn't. I'm not positive about that.

[Farrah Abraham]

From what I know, he does describe how he diagnoses people with certain levels of autism and many different kind of brains.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, I didn't know that.

[Farrah Abraham]

I'm trying to think back. Well, anyways, there's graphs. I also did direct neurofeedback for my brain too, after having a brain scan. And they talked about all different kinds of things to correct it. Help those. So I did like 200 sessions of that.

[Podcast Host]

That's amazing. I love that you're always working on yourself.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I did a whole year of that. Now I'm kind of done with it, but it was needed.

[Podcast Host]

Take me on this journey that you did a 12 step step therapy, trauma therapy program.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I did in. I think it was. It's going to be two years in March. I did a trauma 12 step program. I think that's what it was like a recovery program and literally changed my life. So I had the reason why I finally went. I feel like a lot of us don't understand. Like, if you could search up like spiritual melody chart, I didn't know what that was at all until I stepped foot in here. But I saw it in life. All of us see it in life. Like when we're looking at someone going through a hard time, maybe depression, maybe anxiety, all these things, their spiritual melody is being like, upset. And when someone reaches such a certain level, they're at risk of hurting themselves, death, whatever, attracting a lot of negative things. So at the time when I was going to the trauma center, I was kind of stuck in a repetitive pattern that was attracting a lot of criminal activity to me. And now it's so funny because after the center, I just attract the best people to me.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Farrah Abraham]

So I think that's something to keep in mind if you are feeling like, whoa, I keep dating lots of bad people. I keep like being attacked on the street. I keep having a lot of fights and arguments. It's because you need a reset, you need to recover. And a lot of people just don't think they deserve trauma help.

[Podcast Host]

So when you went to that, what was this exact program? Was it like to actually treat like childhood trauma or was it like, oh.

[Farrah Abraham]

So I was sexually assaulted.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Farrah Abraham]

Recently it wasn't like in childhood. And I think a lot of the people who I met, they had significant amount of like, sexual assaults, trauma, those type of things. Very deep, like Veterans were there all sorts of things that they had held on for a very long time. I think with one trauma, like a sexual assault trauma, I don't think I could endure or live if I didn't go get help. So I was like, I need something. Can you.

[Podcast Host]

Can you talk about the sexual assault? What happened? Is this the situation that happened with the mayor?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. I mean, we're, like, really dealing with all that stuff, like, right now. Yeah. So I. I don't, like, mean to, like, hold anything back, because I'm sure would help so many people, but I also know, like, we are dealing with someone who is systemic, like, habitually a rapist. So I probably don't want to give any fuel to that. But if we want to just talk about, like, great things for other. I mean, like, honestly, I said to myself this week, because I'm dealing with so many legal issues, I said to myself, I was like, I think I'm gonna have to break down and just go get a support group. Because I'm like, it's gotta be tough.

[Podcast Host]

To hold all that in and not talk about it.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. Because again, like, rapey vibes. Right. Rape culture vibes, opposite of consent, consensual vibes, is lying continually, like, masking. And when you're going through a legal issue and someone's always lying and speaking for you and covering their ass, and it's just like, you know, I can journal about it, but I also, like. I truly like to watch movies that dive into, like, someone making peace, getting past it and, like, moving on. So it's like, I've made peace with it. I'm trying to move past it. But then you have these legal core problems that just go on for years, like my lawyer said at the beginning. And I just feel, you know, like, my heart goes out to so many other rape victims who are, like, going through this stuff for years. It's just. It's really tedious.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's very hard. I do think talking about it, like you said, is probably the best thing. One, for you therapy, and two, to help your. That's your testimony, you know, something that you've survived and that you've gone through. So maybe people are able to connect with you if they, you know, were to. Were to know more details of what had happened or what is going on.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's just. This is sad, but from reading so many legal documents about assaults, because, again, I didn't understand the situation that I became a part of, which was like, a sexual assault, like, problem and so my lawyers just kept sending me a lot of, like, legal documents to read of, like, Jane does, so I, like, would understand what it looks like, why this happens, like, all these things. And then I got so interested in it and so passionate that I was like, oh, I'm going to go get a legal degree. So I went down that, got my paralegal certificate, and I'm getting ready to do a JD in law. But I think the comment, like, this is so weird that this happened at this time in my life. But I saw, like, innocent people not being believed. And then I saw a lot of people who actually lied. This could be men or women lie about being sexually assaulted. And I think learning from lawyers what we're looking at, how we're seeing that, how this comes up, you really know, like, to fight for your truth, to stand firm. Because others who lie and kind of, like, predator, like, men or women who they claim that they were assaulted by, that's like a whole other psychological thing. So I think there's, like, a lot of trauma work. No matter what, even if you're lying about it, if you're telling the truth. I've been going through all this stuff and breaking that down because I started writing a screenplay about it, and I used it in one of my Harvard classes for screenwriting, and I got to see it, like, acted out with actors and read. And I think, like, maybe just for me, I would feel safer showing that in, like, an artistic form, like a series. And I love watching movies and TV series that really help comfort people who are actually really going through a long, long legal battle with sexual assault. Because I think, like, Sophia showed me some funny episode on Shameless about one of the guys, like, pretending that he got sexually assaulted and going in and going through this whole process. And I think sometimes you need. You need someone like my daughter to let you laugh and make light of a really deep, dark situation that I was put on medication for. The medication wasn't helping.

[Podcast Host]

Were you raped?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Okay.

[Farrah Abraham]

Sexually assaulted or. I don't know what that means to you, so. Sorry.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I mean. I mean.

[Farrah Abraham]

Sorry. I'm like.

[Podcast Host]

I don't know if, you know, there's so many different, you know, falls under that umbrella. A sexual assault could be being groped. Could be. Oh, this was when you don't want to be. Or like, this. Like, you. That's why I asked if you were raped.

[Farrah Abraham]

So this was like, some. Oh, sorry. I didn't, like, know that you didn't know that of what. Yeah. So there you go. It's like, oh, you know, sometimes you can limit yourself because you don't want to get too close to the problem at hand. Right, Right. Vulnerability. So, yeah, I was drugged and woke up, like, thinking, like, did someone set me up? Like, are we both in this together? Who would do this? And then I realized it was him who did that. And I was stark naked. Did not know where any of my clothes were. My necklace was broken, all that stuff. And it was just like, flight. Like, I just, like, ran. I just really didn't know how to behave.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

So doing the best you can. And I think for a lot of other sexual assault victims, you do the best you can when you are the crime scene straight up. It's just like, a lot of people are like, I'm watching Crime Stoppers and Dateline and all these other criminal shows, but I think I was raised with that too. I love watching criminal shows, too. But, like, when you're in it, it's way different. It was literally, like, sometimes I used to say, like, you know, different. Red carpets are doing these things. Oh, it's so surreal. Being sexually assaulted and being like, the crime scene was surreal. That was like. It just felt like my brain and my body was not connected. And so I had to do a lot of therapeutic work. Somatic experiencing. Work on that.

[Podcast Host]

That's heavy. I've never heard anybody refer to themselves as the crime scene. That's pretty heavy. That's deep.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, that's real.

[Podcast Host]

Moving on from that. I've heard you say a bunch of things in there, so let me see if I can catch up. You said you did a screenplay in your Harvard class.

[Host/Advertiser]

So are you attending Harvard or.

[Farrah Abraham]

So I actually got in an argument with Harvard about my neurodivergence. Okay. So even though I'm ADA compliant and. Turn that in. Yeah. So that lady kicked me out or not. The lady with screenwriting. She gave me E for exemplary. She, like, raved. She was like, this is what you need to do. And I think sometimes when you are going through trauma, the power of the pen and writing it and kind of sharing it in, like, a theatrical way is like, that has always been there for me. So, like, even when I was pregnant with Sophia, I lost her father. That was super traumatic for me. I was in acting class at that time, and my acting teacher's like, you need to continue this or just continue going to classes. He's just like, you need to use this as a power. So if anything, I would say that for people who are going through really traumatic experiences, so you were going to.

[Podcast Host]

Harvard and somebody kicked you out?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, in one of my other classes. Neurodivergence was an issue for her. So even though that's against the law in education, educational places, so I have found better colleges.

[Podcast Host]

Gotcha.

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

When you just touched base on her father passing, can we talk about that? Because you were so young when that happen and that had to have crushed you.

[Farrah Abraham]

It did. And you know what, speaking of the trauma center, I know I went to the trauma center for a recent situation that was traumatic, but I did not know that I should have gone to a trauma center at 16 when I lost her father, because, yes, that's the first time I was put on, like, medication. I was suicidal again, not knowing my ADA compliant disability and knowing how to deal with loss. It was just scary. And so, yeah, when I was at the trauma center, I met other women who were there because they lost their boyfriends in traumatic situations and like, other kind of like, people who are just lost a lot of people. So I was like, why did I. Why did I not come to the trauma center when I was 16 and pregnant and have all these cool tools now that I have in my mind, in my brain at home? It really probably would have helped me bounce back quicker, maybe from a sexual assault or bounce back quicker from other traumas that I continually have. So I'm just again, thankful for that.

[Podcast Host]

Circling back to the traumatic experience of losing her, her father.

[Farrah Abraham]

Do.

[Podcast Host]

Do you feel like your mom was not there for you emotionally whenever. Because it plays out on the show. You and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship where it's like very on again, off again. And I. I feel as a viewer that your mom almost wasn't emotionally there for you. And do you feel like that has been like, a huge thing in you and your mom's relationship even to this day?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yes. You see, like, on this show that maybe my mom and I disagree about a lot of things. I would say in all because I had to, like, really, you know, like 12 step inventory trauma center. You actually write down. It's called the fifth step. You write down anyone you have relationships with. So I'm writing down my mom, I'm writing down my dad, anything. And what came up just so you know, in those, like, 12 steps and like, going through relationships and why. Maybe people saw, like, maybe I didn't feel like my mom was supportive. It's actually way more than just not having support. It's like, was I seen right. She never saw how much I love someone. She like, she came up after hearing that he had passed away, that she was happy that he was gone. And I think we might have. We might have our own feelings, like I would with Sophia and her boyfriends in those situations. But I do. I do know that, like, I have reasoning and capability of understanding. Like, someone has feelings here, and I need to put my stuff to the side. That was crazy. But a lot of what came up at the 12 Step Trauma center, when you're writing down your relationships is abandonment, abandonment, abandonment. And most people will say, well, I didn't abandon you. Like, you were living at my house. I was giving you shelter. I was doing this. But abandonment might come from not being seen, not being feeling safe. I didn't feel safe in that environment. And not being supported. Like, we say, just support. But it's really, like, a lot of those three things that I said I wanted to do for my daughter that I realized I did not have in my home with my dad, with my mom, maybe with my whole family at large when I look back at it. So there was no surprise. And once I got out of the trauma center, like, I stopped talking to my dad. I stopped talking to my mom. I haven't talked to them in almost. I think my mom, she was, like, at 30. So 32. So everyone's been kind of around two years. I've stopped talking to my family. Like, I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life. And it's good that I got to again, write down inventory and see why and what. So there's these prompts about childhood, what I would like to say, do I want to write letters to them? And half the letters I wrote when I was there, no one responded or no one wanted to talk about those things when I got out. So I'm just taught to be like, okay, that's where someone is. They can't meet me, and I have to go live my own life. So that's what I've been doing. It's been really relieving relief.

[Podcast Host]

Does your relationship with your mom affect Sophia's too? Sophia, do you choose to talk? Do we call her Grandma?

[Farrah Abraham]

Mm.

[Podcast Host]

Do you choose to talk to Grandma or just be or. Because mom and her don't have a relationship, you choose not to?

[Sophia Abrams]

Also, honestly, I'm really comfortable not talking to her at all. And with my grandpa, too. It hasn't really bothered me at all not talking to them over the years.

[Podcast Host]

Gotcha.

[Farrah Abraham]

I'd have to say, like, anything that I do does not need to affect someone else. Right. A lot of the Grandparents in my family, I've just noticed a habitual thing where they feel like Farrah's, like, me, I'm the horrible person, because I. I'm making someone else not talk to them. To be completely transparent, I saw that my daughter was being affected by their bad behavior every time that they were around. You know, to not feel loved, to not be heard again, like, as a kid, or just be like. Like, just back and forth, stuck between all these. I can't say the word immature. It's just a lack of education of how to have communication that's really just such a mess that I was raised in, that I knew I did not want that for my daughter. And I was trying to be like a good daughter. And, like, I flew. I flew my daughter out to Arizona to meet her other grandparents. I've flown her back and forth for 16 years or whatever to, like, see her dad's side of the family. But when you go to a trauma center and you take time for yourself, that is so needed, and everything's quiet, and you see, wow, I am such a damn good parent because I'm the only one who's paying, flying, doing. No one else is.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Farrah Abraham]

It's been over a decade. Like, let's stop this charade.

[Podcast Host]

But more importantly, you're there for your daughter. Like, I don't see you without Sophia.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I am number one, I think.

[Podcast Host]

And you're making her feel. You're making her feel every way that your parents never did. And to me, that's the sign. A sign of a good parent is breaking generational trauma and generational curses.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And I think you're doing the best that you can all the way.

[Farrah Abraham]

And so it can be seen transparently of who, what, Everything, Genetics, what's going on, why someone might be doing this, why someone might not, and to choose better choices. So Sophia was kind of the one to say, like, I don't want to hang out, or, I need a break from certain grandparents. So the charade of the grandparents continually always acting like I hinder anything. I've. I've seen with clear eyes what it is now. So.

[Podcast Host]

And you just choose to remove yourself from a toxic situation, which. That's not a bad. That doesn't make you a bad person. Especially if you said that you wrote them letters and you were trying to communicate how you were feeling, and they completely told you, like, look, I don't want to deal with this right now. So that's not fair to you, because it's like, when is the time to deal with it.

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[Farrah Abraham]

C mintmobile.com and that's fine if they're never there. So I'm just, I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna go live my life. And this is what I've been waiting for in healing. And I think, like, that's been so good for me to get out of trauma bonds. Like, let's have bonds of like, I don't even know, happiness.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

So I'm just excited to build good, healthy, happy bonds and leave all those trauma bonds behind. And if other people would like to stay there, that's not me. It's not helping my mental health in any capacity.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely.

[Farrah Abraham]

And so, yeah, from that I was like, okay, I'm gonna keep 12 stepping in like dating and like career and life and it's really been beautiful.

[Podcast Host]

When you say 12 stepping, does that mean sobriety?

[Farrah Abraham]

Some people think it's about sobriety. I actually, I just have to say it like this. 12 stepping is about like the 12 step principles. So you don't have to. It's not about like drinking. It's like, I think there's humility, brotherly love. Like, there's 12 principles of life that I think are just amazing and help me be my best self and connect and see myself and others, like, serving. So Those are the 12 step things I do in life.

[Podcast Host]

Gotcha. I've. I've never heard of it. So that's why, you know, like most people when they hear 12 steps are like, oh, okay, she's in the program. Or like, you know, doing the 12 steps for like alcoholism or I don't know if they have 12 steps for drugs. I'm not positive.

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh yeah, they do. Yeah. 12 steps for everything. I honestly say, like 12 steps for anxiety. I feel like I'VE looked at every group. Courts definitely had me do like 50 hours of AA and over that. But when I came to the trauma center, I was so disgusted, to be honest with you. I was so disgusted by alcohol and what alcohol had done because there was just alcohol involved with my sexual assault or rape. And so everybody else maybe around me was like, I can't wait to drink. I can't wait to do drugs. And I was like, whoa, I could stay here all day long and I don't even care about that stuff. But I am super excited to learn about these principles and, like, see if it works. And, like, if I turn on church, does it connect? And, like, everything just really showed me, like, this is what I have been yearning for my whole life. And so that's why I just say, I'm 12 step in dating. I'm 12 step in my career. Like, it's just principles that work.

[Podcast Host]

I do feel. Or do you feel? Actually not. It doesn't matter how I feel. Do you feel that alcohol has played a part in some of your legal issues as well? Because didn't you get it, like a dui? And then also you had like, a little thing with us was a security guard outside of a nightclub when you were drunk and like, they cuffed you and put you on the ground and stuff like that. Do you feel like alcohol has played a part in some of your legal troubles?

[Farrah Abraham]

So alcohol definitely is a depressant and attracts negatives to you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

I'm literally.

[Podcast Host]

That's why they call it a spirit. Because it lowers your spirits.

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh, yeah. It lowers your spirit. And I wouldn't recommend anyone who's been assaulted or attacked or hasn't been educated on trauma work should not be drinking. It really makes your life worse. And so, yeah, that I'm dealing with that legal problem even today.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Really still going on.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. Two years later, she won't stop harassing me. So, yeah. So now she's trying to do.

[Podcast Host]

You're lightweight. Funny as dude. Like, really, if people really paid attention and they would say that you are.

[Farrah Abraham]

Sophia's hearing me, like, on court. Like, lawyer calls before this, because of her, she didn't know how to serve me. So she claims that she's going to get lots of money from me right now.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. I thought it was a man that you. That they're saying that you slapped him or something or.

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh, no, this is a woman who's a liar, but she is just like, that's why I have to postpone even, like, me doing, like, a comedy Portfolio that I've been working on. Like, could you imagine me going to work and then being served in front of everyone? So it's like, I have to now reorganize my life around people who target me and won't stop harassing me because I just won't put up with it anymore.

[Podcast Host]

What happened? Like, you. You're out drinking with friends.

[Farrah Abraham]

And then I went to a dinner. So I was definitely more about the food. There was alcohol.

[Podcast Host]

We love food.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. And I was asked with my two other colleagues to go upstairs and see their new little rooftop thing. I didn't have a drink up there. I went to the bathroom. It felt like I was set up. One of their customers was in front of my purse, in my bag, in between my friends, not with her group. And I was like, could you please, like, move? That's my stuff. These are my friends. She wanted to keep going at me, hitting me, hitting my friend who was trying to block me.

[Podcast Host]

She hit you?

[Farrah Abraham]

And then her friends are pointing to remove me. I'm being then manhandled by huge security guys. This woman puts herself in between this mix coming at me, and I say, leave me alone. You see me yelling, and this is like a girl, a different girl than I am today at that time, who has been sexually assaulted, can't handle too much.

[Podcast Host]

She's just been physically been through a lifetime of trauma. You've had trauma started when you were younger.

[Farrah Abraham]

And so she doesn't want to listen. And so I do this with my arm, and you see the full movement on the camera. And she wants to try to touch my hand. And so literally, my hand is, like, touching this woman's, like, mask, not her face. So her glasses are on, her mask is on. She keeps wanting to manhandle me with all the men. She then goes into an elevator with me. I'm just like, leave me alone. I walk off property waiting for my other friend who wants to call the police, wants to do all this stuff. And sure enough, then her and the other guy just finagle up to come after me off property. Then he cuffs himself to me, Is, like, touching me all over. She's over there yelling that I hit her in her face and whatever. I'm yelling back. And so, yeah, basically, I'm winning a personal injury case. On top of this, the criminal case got thrown out because I did nothing. The personal injury case, I'm recovering all of my trauma costs and me moving and everything else. Like, I had death threats because this woman would not shut her mouth with all of her lies. Like, people literally thought I would hit and target security people, and that's just completely not the case. So dealing with all of this, it's just, like, stressful. I've had a lot of people just continually try to sue me, sue me, come after me, come after me, come after me. And I just don't want that in this next chapter of whether it's my comedy career, me showing up to places. And I also have to realize, like, I have to do. I don't even like security guards, to be honest. So me getting security is also like a trust fall. Like, no.

[Podcast Host]

That's how I am. My husband makes me travel with security everywhere, and I'm like, why? I feel like I have a babysitter. I'm like, I hate it. It drives me crazy.

[Farrah Abraham]

I don't know. I've never. I've had a lot of issues with security guards. This is not the first one.

[Podcast Host]

I think you need to have somebody in your life that's there to protect you, though, because you are, you know, the fan base that you guys have from Teen mom is wild. Like, I've had Janelle and Kale on the podcast.

[Farrah Abraham]

That's awesome.

[Podcast Host]

And yeah, it is. Like, those people are really invested in you guys lives. You have. You guys have a lot of great fans, but it is like a culture fan base, you know, and we love it.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love it.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And but the thing is, is in. In that sea of people who love you guys, there's a few people who have it out for you, and these are the people that you're like, running into. So I think having somebody to protect you from, that isn't a bad idea.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Host/Advertiser]

I will say one less lawsuit to worry about.

[Farrah Abraham]

One last lawsuit. They keep coming.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. How many do you have? Right?

[Farrah Abraham]

Just surf on lawsuits at this point.

[Podcast Host]

How many lawsuits do you have right now?

[Farrah Abraham]

I'm like, trying to close up, like, three. So who knows? Like, who knows? But I think, like, we're just reinventing the wheel of, like, okay, if we're going to do Nana Tour, if we're going to just like, present it and package it, then we can, you know, control, like, who's on sets and how we do those things. So, like, I can still keep moving forward in my life.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

So, yeah, I'm just kind of tired of sitting still, but it's been good.

[Podcast Host]

Take me on this journey of you doing comedy.

[Farrah Abraham]

I feel like a Farah Abraham roast is overdue.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. I would attend. I think it would be hilarious.

[Farrah Abraham]

We'll. We'll give you the mic.

[Podcast Host]

So, yeah, I don't want to be mean, though. I just want to watch.

[Farrah Abraham]

It's good to roast people, you know, it's good to see if I've overcome.

[Podcast Host]

I love that you can laugh. I love that you can laugh at yourself, though, and you don't take yourself so serious. I think that's a great quality to have.

[Farrah Abraham]

It's definitely been a challenge.

[Podcast Host]

You know, she's like, I've been working on it.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. I've been working on it so hard. I can't wait. But, yeah, I just want to do some things with comedy and maybe just talk about, like, behavior in a funny way. And I think learning behavior and learning myself, I think it's, like, been a good soul journey, and I want to share that in comedy.

[Podcast Host]

What spawned this whole entire journey with comedy? Have you just always been a comedy fan?

[Farrah Abraham]

I don't even know. I mean, who doesn't love some Ace Ventura, pet detective, but.

[Sophia Abrams]

Right.

[Farrah Abraham]

But I actually got my SAG credits from a Comedy Central special that they did for me. And after I got wrongfully fired from Teen Mom, I started getting SAG checks in the mail, and I started seeing where it was from, and I was like, oh, my God, it's from Dave Patel inviting me for my comedy special. And I was like, well, I really did like that, and it was so fun. And I like the people, and I think in this next, next endeavor of my life, I'm kind of more intentional about who I'm working around.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

How they're making me feel. And that comes with age, too.

[Podcast Host]

You're, what, 32 now? Yeah, yeah, I'm 44. So it takes, like, as you get older, you get to a point where you're just like, I don't care what. What the look is or how many people are going to see it. I care about being around people who are going to build me up.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Make me feel good about myself. People I can learn from.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You know, so I think that's awesome that you're realizing now.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. So it's just wonderful, and I just hope to have great work environments and enjoy myself.

[Podcast Host]

When can we expect this comedy tour?

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh, my God. Or the specials? I can say specials. I don't know. Tour. But I would. I would hope by the end of this year, you know, some other shows are coming out and we'll see, like, what happens. But, yeah, I'm just kind of, like, risk assessing. Right. My career and just making sure. But I don't.

[Podcast Host]

You're reinventing Yourself?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

I feel like you do that all the time. You have done. Is there anything you haven't done? You've made albums.

[Farrah Abraham]

I haven't done, like, my law degree yet. Like, yeah, Ferris Court will be. I like Judge Judy.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, my God, that would be awesome.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love her. I would love to do a court show, please.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, let's put it in the air. Manifest it. That would be awesome. Because you literally. One thing I do admire about you, you have hustle. You're not lazy.

[Farrah Abraham]

ADHD doesn't sit.

[Podcast Host]

Is that what I have? Is that why I can't sit still? Yeah. I'm literally always on to the next goal. It's fun. No, you literally are always doing something, always selling something. I mean, you are like, who doesn't like sales?

[Farrah Abraham]

I love sales. I do love sales. And I think if you're, like, good at serving people and, like, matching people and doing things, oh, my God. Sales is like a dream. Yeah, absolutely.

[Podcast Host]

Let's bring it over to Sophia for a little bit here. What do you want to be when you grow up? Have you ever thought about that?

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah, I've been getting into music, so I think when I grow up, I want to be a music artist, maybe, and a entrepreneur and a influencer.

[Podcast Host]

I love that. Does your mom influence that a lot? Do you really look up to your mom?

[Sophia Abrams]

Definitely. She did really support me doing my music when I was younger. I have two music videos from, like, super long time ago, which is, like, kind of cringe before goth.

[Podcast Host]

I mean, we all. We all have that. We look back on and we're like, what the hell was I thinking? You know?

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah. I wrote those songs myself.

[Podcast Host]

That's amazing. So you and Bailey would really get along? She writes her own music and stuff like that. We'll have to introduce the girlies for sure.

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah. So sure.

[Podcast Host]

What's your favorite thing about your mom? What do you admire the most about her?

[Sophia Abrams]

Her beauty. And I'll let you think of your support.

[Podcast Host]

That is sweet. You are.

[Farrah Abraham]

Thank you.

[Sophia Abrams]

She doubts that kind of often, but.

[Farrah Abraham]

She'S look, I can. That's good. That I know where I need to work on.

[Podcast Host]

I love that.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I love that. Thank you, Sophia. I appreciate you.

[Podcast Host]

What's your favorite thing about Sophia?

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh, my gosh. Well, I love Sophia's beauty. Like, no joke. I always am. Like, you have, like, your dad's nose, the eyebrows, the chin. Like, I just. I love it. And I'm so happy you have the. All that going for you. You're gorgeous. And what else do I Mean, I pretty much love everything about my daughter. Like, I love. I loved you, like, parenting you as a kid, I love parenting you as a teen. I love your silliness. I mean, there's so much. I just love it all. There's. I don't know why it's making me so.

[Podcast Host]

I don't know why a lot of.

[Farrah Abraham]

People are like, I don't know if I like my teenager today, but, like, I really. I practice my gratefuls and I think I just have always loved my daughter. Totally.

[Podcast Host]

Holy. You love her for who she is.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Do you guys feel like you're soulmates? Cuz, you know, soulmates. Soulmates don't have to be lovers. Soulmates can be friends, children, parents. Like, that's.

[Farrah Abraham]

I do always wonder. I. I don't know if other parents wonder this or whatever, but I do feel like I was given my child, like, Sophia. Like, I was given Sophia. I don't know what it is. Like, even when, like, her dad wasn't there, I had her in the birthing room. And, like, I'm just looking at her. I just, like, there was this eye connection. And like, I knew that even though nothing was perfect, however I wanted to. To plan it growing up, that I was meant to be there at this time with her. And I will never forget that from the hospital room. So I, like, life can just totally fall apart around you like it has with me. But yeah, I. I don't know if that's soulmate, if that's exactly what you meant.

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

But I do know, like, I was supposed to be with Sophia and, like, she is my child. Like, I do know that. It's just crazy.

[Podcast Host]

You guys are gonna make me cry. I think that is so sweet. And Farah, I want to give you your flowers because I watched a lot of interviews the other night just trying to get a feel for you and stuff like that. And I feel like a lot of people have you on their shows to attack you, and they don't give you a chance to actually, like, kind of flourish in the moment with you. And I'm sorry for that, for how people treat you like that. But also, people don't realize that you were at such a young age having a child on television, losing the father of your child and having to go through this with the world watching you with parents who didn't support and did not give you the proper guidance. And you are literally just figuring this shit out on your own.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And that's heavy. And I just want you to say, I see you and I see what you're doing, and I think you're doing wonderful.

[Farrah Abraham]

I love that. And thank you for seeing me. And I appreciate. I appreciate you being an amazing host.

[Podcast Host]

No, thank you.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. Allowing it to do whatever it will be.

[Podcast Host]

No, no, I appreciate that. Let's talk about love.

[Farrah Abraham]

Let's talk about love. Let's talk about love.

[Podcast Host]

You got a new boyfriend? Well, he's been around since, what, 20, 21? No. No. I read that wrong?

[Farrah Abraham]

No.

[Podcast Host]

Okay. Is that a different one?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, maybe it was a different one.

[Podcast Host]

All right, well, when did this one come about?

[Farrah Abraham]

I have to say I day differently now. So I did this guardian of your soul dating naked thing. I graduated from that when I turned 32, so last year.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, what is that? Is that part of the 12 step?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. So Lisa Shield, who does this, she has her own amazing podcast, but she does this with her husband. You are there for 12 weeks. You have your own coach. You do your own, like, manifestation journal. She has 12 modules. You're reading books, you're hearing podcasts, you're hearing psychologists. Like, you're in a vortex of training yourself to be, like, a weapon of dating, basically. And so I did it. I committed and I was like, you know, going on these dates feel like this is wasting my time. And I got this weird, like, dating show offer during that, and I declined because I've done so many dating shows, and I just don't. Like, I was at this point of, like, I'm tired of repeating, tired of repeating. Like, clearly something's disconnected. And it was more personal work and really diving in on that. And so Lisa did a 12 step program too. So when I shared about my 12 step program, she's like, yeah, so this is why we have 12 weeks, 12 modules, and we are focused on getting this alignment before your dating life. So I love it. I graduated and I was just like, look, I don't have anyone who I'll call my fiance or anything like that, but I'll keep doing this. And, like, I'm kind of like a late bloomer, even though I, like, zoom through things. And so, like, the leaders are like, well, keep checking in with us. Keep coming to the groups, like, whatever. And sure enough, like, I don't know, I went on almost, like 100 dates.

[Podcast Host]

And 100 dates.

[Farrah Abraham]

Like, almost 100 dates.

[Podcast Host]

Goodness, that's like speed dating.

[Farrah Abraham]

And then one. One gentleman wasn't even, like, on. I realized he was on one of my dating apps after the fact.

[Podcast Host]

But I feel like the cream of the crop is never on the Dating.

[Farrah Abraham]

Apps or I'm just not paying attention to it, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Well, we're not attracting it.

[Farrah Abraham]

I don't know. Yeah. Even though, like, we redo our online profiles and all this cool stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Farrah Abraham]

So he actually got my attention on my only fans page, so. And then was like zooming with me and then I'm telling him about this dating program. Like, I'm just intentionally dating. Like, if you want to joke around and be like, I want to date Farrah Abraham, like, whatever. But I was just like, so on my game from this program about dating. So he ended up flying in to Austin to come see me, and we have just kind of been just. I don't know. He ended up getting a second house, a second car, a second everything, and lives in Austin right now. Like, I don't know. It just is like, magical.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. So when did he come in the picture?

[Farrah Abraham]

So we started talking in October. So, like, from June, July, August, September.

[Podcast Host]

Like, okay. So since last year.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. So five months after this program, I really have, like, superly connected with someone.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, crazy. And he just loves every bit of you. Oh, yeah. Are you ever gonn who he is or make him public?

[Farrah Abraham]

You know, I. We both kind of are like NDAs on both sides. So, like, I can share fun bits and stuff, but we don't really, like, share who. Who or me. Like, I am like, I will not be meeting your family. Like, I'm dating you. And I think I've also learned to date differently from not having my family around and truly being my most best self. So yeah, like, he. I just love, like, he is all about self improvement with me. We're doing fun things together all the time and I really just want to make sure, like, that's right. Like, that's really important.

[Podcast Host]

So if you guys do end up getting more serious, will you eventually meet his family?

[Farrah Abraham]

I don't really need to. Really. Like, I'm really like.

[Podcast Host]

Do you think part of you is scared? Because, like, every you, I. I feel like you're one of those people who kind of like waits for the ball to drop. Like, if something's going too good, you're like, okay, what's gonna this up?

[Farrah Abraham]

Well, I'm trying to not have those brain patterns in my brain, but thank you. So I just want the ball to keep rising and elevating. Hot air balloon. Let's keep going up. And I do think from learning so much about him, like, he's learned so much about my family, where I've come from. I think sometimes when you're building, like, a interdependent relationship where you're both coming together and rising up together. There is no need for the background noise. Like, I'm not trying to attend a circus. He doesn't need to come to my circus. We just need to focus on going forth, building our own lives, building our own family, like, flourishing careers, the whole thing right now. And so that's why I'm kind of like, his. His parents and everyone are very like, why won't you tell me your name? Oh. Like, they're always very, like, nosy. But I think I don't need anyone, like, Googling me, searching me when they know who I am, who I'm dating.

[Podcast Host]

Right. And that's what I mean. Like, does that scare you that his family could Google you and then just get the wrong opinion of you and then you feel like you're gonna have to be trying to change these people's opinion about you?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I just don't operate like that anymore. So, like, when my mom or my dad got married and I was there for their weddings and stuff, and then they were their fiance's or everyone else was always like. Like, Googling me and seeing what I was up to, I actually stopped, like, posting for a while. I was like, you know, it's just not worth it. I don't care what I'm up to or what I've been up to. Like, if you can't be present with me and family, I don't need it. So I think that's all. I think that's why this relationship is flourishing so much, is that I don't talk about it much with other people. From what I've been trained to do, we're very present or flourishing. And, like, we go on trips, we have fun. I just want that for my life. I deserve an amazing relationship. And I saw, like, even bits of it when I was, like, saying I was in a relationship people really wanted to ruin and find and source and break, break me down. So, like, I don't have a relationship, but that's actually what I've been working so hard for for, like, two to three years, is getting in this place. So. And, like, with no one else's help, just me. And so I, like, really need this.

[Podcast Host]

Have you met him yet, Sophia?

[Sophia Abrams]

Yes, I have.

[Podcast Host]

Do you approve?

[Sophia Abrams]

He's okay.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. I mean, like, it's not like a year in or anything totally serious, but Sophia and I met both of our boyfriends that we have now at the winter trip.

[Podcast Host]

Sophia, you have a boyfriend? Yes, oh, we're gonna talk about this after.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. So, yeah, we met together, our boyfriends together on our winter break trip this winter.

[Podcast Host]

So what do you think about Sophia's boyfriend?

[Farrah Abraham]

You know, I can't really judge when the kids are, you know, 15, 16, I mean, wow. They have so, so much to do and grow because I was once there. Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Isn't it wild to think that she's pretty much the age that you got pregnant at?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I was saying that the other night, so her boyfriend actually flew into Austin, Texas, because he lives in Utah for her birthday. And he's also homeschooled, which is, like, great. So we had a great birthday weekend together. And I was like sitting at dinner with them after she, like, blew out her candles and everything. And I was like, at 15, I was like on party buses with, like 20 some year olds.

[Podcast Host]

Isn't it wild how they're the opposite of us?

[Farrah Abraham]

Like, yeah, I was like this wild child. And I was like, I am just so happy that Sophia is in like an amazing restaurant, has, like all this stuff, has someone who, like, actually cares. You know, they're just building like a great friendship and just quality quality time, quality people that I kind of, really, to be honest, did not have. And it was just chaos. And I was like, I am so fortunate to see this for my child. It's just crazy to me. I love it.

[Podcast Host]

I love it. And I love watching Sophia smile at you when you talk about her. It's the cutest thing ever.

[Farrah Abraham]

It's just, I'm so happy for my daughter. She totally deserves this amazing journey that she's been blessed with. So. God is good.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I love that. Where'd you meet your boyfriend at Sophia?

[Sophia Abrams]

I met him on VR.

[Podcast Host]

On what? Virtual reality.

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Is that like a video game or.

[Sophia Abrams]

It's like those headsets, you know, Gotcha. With like the virtual games and stuff.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, gotcha. Okay.

[Sophia Abrams]

Specifically VR chat.

[Podcast Host]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Farrah Abraham]

Those kids are in VR chat. Watch out.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it's. That's like AOL chat when we were growing up, literally.

[Farrah Abraham]

So, yeah, both of us met our boyfriends online, essentially.

[Host/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Well, I would think that being who you are, it's got to be hard to meet people a normal way. It's not like you're just gonna go to church and meet somebody, you know? And I would think growing up with who your mom is is probably makes it hard for you to meet people a normal way also. And you don't go to school, so it's like, you know, you have to Meet people where you are at, you know, in life. So how has your mom's stardom affected you?

[Sophia Abrams]

I mean, it's kind of been hard to make friends, like, in real life and stuff, but I would say once they accept, like, who I am online, then we become, like, best friends, you know? But some people, once they find out who I really am, they, like, don't want to, like, be friends with me.

[Podcast Host]

Because of your mom.

[Sophia Abrams]

But, like, I mean, I don't really get hurt by that. Because in the end, then you're just fake.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sophia Abrams]

So I just block them.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Sophia Abrams]

You know?

[Podcast Host]

No, I love that Bailey had to go through that, too. Whenever, you know, whenever we were first coming up in the limelight, there was a lot of parents who didn't want Bailey hanging out with her because of who her parents were. And I was just like, you don't need friends like that. If they have parents that are gonna judge them so harshly that they won't let their kid hang out with you because of who their parents are, when they haven't even met us or shook our hands, then you don't want those people in your life anyways. Support is available 247 with VRBoCare. We're here day or night, ready whenever you need help. Because a great trip starts with the right support.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. So it is kind of fun. I mean, I've been seeing Sophia, kind of, like catfish people.

[Sophia Abrams]

What do you mean, catfishing? Okay.

[Podcast Host]

I have.

[Sophia Abrams]

It's called secret accounts.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, they're called finstas. Right. Or isn't that what they're. What they are.

[Sophia Abrams]

I mean, it's basically, like, all accounts, you know?

[Podcast Host]

Okay, gotcha.

[Sophia Abrams]

Like, I don't use my public profiles or my real name.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sophia Abrams]

On stuff. Like, my friends know my first name.

[Farrah Abraham]

Right.

[Sophia Abrams]

But, like, I usually don't tell them my last name. Right. Until they find out who, like, I really am.

[Farrah Abraham]

Like, for instance.

[Podcast Host]

But that's actually kind of smart.

[Farrah Abraham]

That is smart. Like. Like, we have this show, like, called Catfish, Right? But I have to say, like, Sophia's doing it in a catfish positive way, not toxic way.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Farrah Abraham]

Because, like, for instance, like, we flew into Utah so that her and her boyfriend can meet. They do know each other's names. It's kind of up in the air on the first. The first date, which was at a trampoline park. Right. And everyone brought their families. And so I loved how refreshing it was, actually. I was refreshed by his mom, his family, not knowing who I was, just taking me in, like, a glass of water, just Having a good time, just.

[Podcast Host]

Loving you for who you were in that moment.

[Farrah Abraham]

And also the same for Sophia. And then her daughter arrives, and she knew exactly who I was and everything else. And then it was like. Like, it just kind of sucks the fun out of just being present in real life.

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

But, yeah, I really loved, like, how we've gotten to know each other, even though you could definitely see they are definitely affected by someone's fame. What they might. Might not have, how we live. And that's sad. And so I just say whatever Sophia needs to do to see positive and have positive interactions and relationships, that's awesome. I support it. Even if it's a little catfishy, I'm okay with it. Right.

[Podcast Host]

Because I kind of understand the method to the madness, though. She wants to make sure that the people that are in her life are there for a reason. Not because of who you are, because of who she is. So I think it's actually kind of genius.

[Farrah Abraham]

It is genius.

[Podcast Host]

I like it. When's your birthday?

[Sophia Abrams]

February 23rd.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, you're a Pisces. Well, you're like an Aquarius. Pisces. You're, like, right on the cuff. Cusp.

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh, really? Really? I don't know. Yeah, she likes to swim.

[Host/Advertiser]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host]

She's a little fishy.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. A gothic swimmer.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. A little blackfish swimming in the pond.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yes.

[Podcast Host]

Can we talk about your beef with Nicki Minaj? What happened with that whole situation?

[Farrah Abraham]

She's not a Barbie.

[Podcast Host]

Because I feel like she kind of called you out and brought that on herself. And I feel like a lot of people bring things.

[Farrah Abraham]

Things upon themselves in my career, but yes.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I feel like she's doing that now to make the stallion also. And I think people did. People didn't take her. Her people didn't consider it bullying whenever she did it to you, because it was a few years ago. But now that they're seeing a pattern and how she treats people, I think it kind of, you know, is putting a spotlight on how she acts as a person.

[Farrah Abraham]

I have to say, like, Nicki Minaj, I believe she said, like, I was a cunt because of how I treated my mom. She was watching, like, a. A teen mom rerun one day. And when she was doing that, I have to say anyone who talks to me or towards anyone, bullying them out loud, doing whatever they're doing, not paying attention to their own mental health and why she's doing that, the reason why someone reaches out in a toxic way, call someone another name, tries to degrade them, acts like they know how to be a better daughter to their mom or whatever. That is a denial. They're delusional. So I have never thought greatly of anyone similar to Nicki Minaj, like a Chrissy Teigen who also does that to me or other people who do that or women who do that. It also very much reminds me a little bit of the toxicity between my mom, my sister, my grandma towards me growing up.

[Podcast Host]

So it's a trigger for you.

[Farrah Abraham]

You know, I just recognize it as complete mental illness almost, to be honest. So I don't think my daughter has anything to worry about of like listening, paying attention to anything from women who have like a platform and they're just like lashing out of mental illness because that's not having self control, that's not therapeutically dealing with it. She also isn't a mom. I don't really think Nicki Minaj is a great mom. I don't think she really has done the personal work. She's married, I think like a convict who I guess has like done very weird things. So I can't really care about anyone who that comes from. That's like caring about a hater online who says the same things. Whether it was Nicki Minaj or a deep fake account online saying it, it's going to the same place of like, oh, that's unhealthy for my mental health. That's like mental illness coming at me. I don't have time for that toxicity, so. And I'm sorry that Megan Thee stallion had to go through all sorts of stuff and criminal behavior, but she doesn't deserve that in her present success or her future success. And I really hope that she finds other great artists to work with and have friendships with.

[Podcast Host]

Absolutely. How do you deal with all of the online stuff that comes to you? Are you used to it now or. I don't think anybody ever gets used to people just bullying. But does it hurt still or did it ever hurt you, like in the beginning and how do you deal with it now?

[Farrah Abraham]

I definitely had a shame spiral many a times with online toxicity and I think that's why I am totally cool with Sophia not being on it, not posting as much, not doing whatever because it's really not needed.

[Podcast Host]

It's not a safe space.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, it's not a safe space. And I think we just tried to again, pardon me, create that safe space for us, our own selves. So if that's like posting once a year, that's what's good for us. Like, and I don't even know like this whole thing with like limiting teenagers on social media. I think in a way it feels like we're letting like criminals and deep fakes and all these things control and take over and over, saturate the Internet, when the Internet would be so much more better with like credible, real people who enjoy the Internet. So I just wish I had better people to play with on the Internet.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, but the Internet has hurt you before to where it sent you into shame. What did you say?

[Farrah Abraham]

Like, definite, like depression or maybe anxiety at times.

[Podcast Host]

And it's got to be heavy, especially when they run like news articles about you and stuff like that. Yeah, I do feel like the press bullies you.

[Farrah Abraham]

I feel. I feel like we need to work on just reporting in a non bullish, fraudulent way. Like when I've been dealing, you know, like when I was like attacked at dinner by security and then everyone acts like I did something to them and I have reporters calling me everywhere and they're making me up to be a bad person. My lawyers were literally like, you cannot talk to them anymore if they want to behave this way. If they can't tell the right news, I'm not responding to them. Do not respond to them. And that's just kind of sad because again, like just kind of being raised with news reporters and even some of them being my friends, I. It's just been really sad to see, like, people use their jobs and inflict toxicity and affect someone's mental health or it could. I'm not letting that happen. But it definitely does to other people.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I think online is kind of like the devil's playground, you know, like, people can say and do whatever the hell they want and there's no recourse.

[Farrah Abraham]

Well, I feel like the good people get the recourse. Like, they actually get. Like, I can't even get on Tik Tok Live because someone said it was like, sexually explicit sitting in my office doing nothing. Did you appeal it? Oh, I've appealed it. My agencies have reached out. They say that they don't have footage, they can't see it, so they can't redo it. I just feel like. Or undo it. I feel like Internet platforms are just crumbling, period. Like, like they're crumbling. They're not doing that well. They're relying so heavily on marketing. They don't care to keep health number one. Even though we're giving all of these things, like healthy mindset and track your time and do all this, but we just keep allowing, again, like, deep Fakes, toxicity, everything non stop. So, like, if I go and look on my dashboard right now, you'll see, like, my account on the back end is flagged all the time for bullying. But are we deleting or blocking those bullies? Right, So I just. I let the Internet.

[Podcast Host]

There's no solution to the problem.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, I just let the Internet crumble. And I like to use it to post, to share things, whether that's about mental health or something fun or birthdays or whatever. But I don't know, I. Maybe just one day. Who knows if I need any of it. I really don't know if I need social media.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, I don't think you do. I think you've made a name for yourself that if you didn't have social media, people would still, you know, be obsessed with you, because that's just how they are. I have read mixed reviews. Did you sell poop or did you not sell poop?

[Farrah Abraham]

Oh my God, that's so funny. I saw my poop slime in my office. I made poop slime and we sold out of that. But yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why people are obsessed with poop.

[Sophia Abrams]

I love.

[Farrah Abraham]

I have never sold my poop. I do get offers literally every day, every day for it. And it's crazy. Like, my boyfriend's like, you. He's like, I find, like. I just. It's like, I find it so disgusting. But he's like, you have all these guys just wanting to pay you like $5,000 for you to send them shit. And he's like, I can't even pick up your own dog shit. Like, he's like, I don't know how this is so. We always.

[Podcast Host]

They waft in it. It's crazy. I used to sell my panties when I had of. Yeah, they. They like them vacuum sealed and sitting for like two weeks. Like, it's wild.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. But I haven't done that. But I. I don't know. I heard it was like, against the law, so I just don't do that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. What's the weirdest request you have gotten on your only fans?

[Farrah Abraham]

I mean, what's weird anymore, right? I don't know. There's so many.

[Podcast Host]

What's the oddest or, you know, wildest?

[Farrah Abraham]

There's so many weird things I hear every day. I just don't know what's odd right now. I don't know. I have to, like, think so much.

[Podcast Host]

No worries.

[Farrah Abraham]

But I don't know, I just find it Weird when people really want to like have customs and like they always try to like get in my personal life. So it's like your boyfriend or like could you ask for a friend to do that? I just am like why would you even get on here and and like insinuate I would ask anyone else to be a part of your crazy imagination.

[Podcast Host]

So how is your OF doing? How is your of doing?

[Farrah Abraham]

Is it my of is doing? Fabulous. And I love my of. I can't. I like I often ask myself when I think to just shutting it down because I felt like I was getting so sexually shamed and I just don't like dealing with any like sexual shaming stuff. And so I was like, maybe I'll shut it down, maybe I won't. And then I keep it up and I often like, sometimes I'll just post some funny comments that I get but I off like there's a lot of negativity online but I will say OF is a lot of positivity compared to all the negativity.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, I loved my of.

[Sophia Abrams]

I have.

[Podcast Host]

It was great. If you're a hater on somebody's of, you've got problems.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

You're paying them monthly to talk to them.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah, it's crazy and that happens all the time. But there's a lot of men who, or women even who always send me like the best messages and I'm like, God, I needed that for my self worth today or like my self compassion or like just love in myself today. So I have to say if that's so positive, out of all the other social medias I've kept my only fans and I think maybe I even rave about it sometimes. I'm like, I can't delete this. It makes me so happy.

[Podcast Host]

And you shouldn't have to delete it. If it does bring you happiness and joy and as well as monetary value, why would you delete it? Because people online don't agree with the lifestyle. I've never understood that that stigma with of it's wild to me that we're not touching anybody. Nobody is touching us. There's no bodily fluid exchange. It's literally all online consenting adults. And people have a problem with that. Would they rather you be in hotel rooms, you know, being an escort, like it's wild to me.

[Farrah Abraham]

So I, yeah, I just, I think only fans has just again been positive for my mental health. Positive for me. I don't like, I literally screen grab and save some of these messages because I was like if I ever just, just Bye bye from it. I would love to save these memories because they're such good memories. I mean, I don't know, like, my boyfriend doesn't have a problem with it, so. And honestly, I think he, he actually likes it. So like he makes his like a little funny username and he's like, oh, chat with me on there. It's just kind of like a fun play thing, role play. Honestly, if that's good for my relationship, if it's good for my business, if it's good for me, oh my God, could, could life get any greater? And I think I do have that need because I had managers and agents basically like being like, I'll run it, I'll start it, I'll do it. Like, you have to do this. And I didn't even do it myself. Open it. So I think because it was like a different journey in that. And again, like I am a so sex symbol. Like I am something in that arena. And I think you can't disown that or act like it's not. And so.

[Podcast Host]

Well, you had a sex tape that came out.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. And a lot of, you know, then I had a novelty line from that odd, traumatic, successful experience of a tape situation. I was like, you know what for like sexual health and well being, I want to come out with a men's and women's lineup, novelty toys. And I also won an avian award for that. So I've like, those are things that happened in my life journey.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

And I'm happy they were successful. And I think to do that justice, you know, to have some of those adult platform pages, that's, that's a no brainer in that, you know, journey. So I'm fine with it and it makes me happy.

[Podcast Host]

How much did you end up making off of that sex tape tape?

[Farrah Abraham]

I don't know. I still make money off of it.

[Podcast Host]

She's like, it hasn't stopped, baby.

[Farrah Abraham]

No, it hasn't stopped. And I also made, you know, millions from my novelty toys, those licenses. I actually just enjoyed business. Yeah. Like a lot of people. And I love my friends who are all into adult entertainment. That was not my allure. That's not like my thing. But I do like business in certain senses of my comfort level. So.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, you like multiple streams of income.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. Who doesn't?

[Podcast Host]

Right, Right. For each system.

[Farrah Abraham]

So, yeah. I have my own way of how I live, you know, my sex life and my choices and me as a woman. And I'm just really happy, like happier than I've ever been. So I think whatever happened in my life along the way, I was meant to.

[Sophia Abrams]

To be.

[Farrah Abraham]

Even though it was, like, not the greatest thing. But, yeah, it can certainly get you predators. It can certainly lead to, like, sexual assaults and those things. So I just want other women or even my own child, my own daughter to know, like, there's nothing to glorify about anything of what I went through or what I've done. I literally look at my sex tape and I see someone who is. Is battling face dysmorphia, who feels so unloved, who is, like, going through just, like, bereavement of the loss of her dad. And so when I see a sex tape, I see something so of nothing I want ever in my life again. But I have people every day who bring up my sex tape or, like, the toys that I made, and it brings them joy. And so I have to really take myself away from that. But I do love that it's helped me become aware that I needed to do personal and mental help and health on myself. For sure.

[Podcast Host]

I love that.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

What does 2024 hold for Farrah and Sophia? What do you guys want?

[Farrah Abraham]

Lots of laughs.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Farrah Abraham]

Laughing a bunch this year. Traveling, having fun. Sophia's working on whatever she wants to write, create, and make.

[Podcast Host]

Are you guys gonna do a song.

[Farrah Abraham]

Together about what we have?

[Sophia Abrams]

I love it. No, thank you.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Sophia Abrams]

She does not know how to sing.

[Farrah Abraham]

I don't know at all. And that's okay. For some reason, I have a cult following of people who loved my music when I was depressed. So, again, like, some people love your stuff when you're depressed and going through, like, a mental breakdown. So I love.

[Podcast Host]

Well, I think it's relatable. I feel like people feel like they're like, I'm going through it too, you know, like, this is relatable. That's why people relate to my husband, because of the music he makes, you know?

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. It's crazy. However, you will enjoy someone's music or whatever. So, yeah, Sophia is going to go on her own journey of gothic music and see how people relate to that and have fun and. Right. So, yeah, I mean, every. Every year is about creating something new and finding more of ourselves. So I think that's what we kind of are doing besides shows and besides stuff that I'm already doing. I'm just, like, back to school again.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. So are we gonna get that law? He's over here sawing logs. I'm over here shaking his head. So are you gonna. Are you gonna move forward and get a year law degree.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. I'm moving forward with. I'm in a master's program right now, and you can start doing, like, your JD and even your PhD. So I'm just going all the way. I'm getting my PhD, but I'm going through the master's. Almost done with that at the end of this year, and then doing law the next year and everything like that. So I feel like as much as I've spent in legal fees and everything, I should already have the law.

[Podcast Host]

You should be your own lawyer, Farrah.

[Farrah Abraham]

At this point, I keep learning new things every day, though, so, yeah, there's a lot going on in 2024. I can't wait till it's actually done, but I'm excited for it.

[Podcast Host]

I love that, and I love watching you guys grow and flourish together, and I think it's amazing, and I just want you guys to stay on this journey. I love that you're the happiest you've ever been. That makes me happy for you. Because happiness is hard to come by, man. You have to choose happiness.

[Farrah Abraham]

Yeah. Go mom and daughter teams.

[Podcast Host]

Let's go. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it.

[Farrah Abraham]

Thanks for having us.

[Sophia Abrams]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

Awesome. Thank you guys for tuning in to.

[Host/Advertiser]

Another episode of Dumb Blonde.

[Podcast Host]

I'll see you guys next week. Bye.