Kristin Cavallari: Evolution of Me

Summary

Podcast Title: Dumb Blonde
Episode: Kristin Cavallari: Evolution of Me
Release Date: December 30, 2024
Host/Author: Dumb Blonde Productions
Description: Host Bunnie XO dives into hilarious and heartfelt discussions about relationships, trauma, embarrassing moments, and the realness of life with Kristin Cavallari.

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1. Welcome and Introduction

The episode begins with Kristin Cavallari enthusiastically joining the Dumb Blonde podcast, expressing excitement about the conversation they've been planning for months. Kristin remarks, “[00:30] I want to know why in the hell are you not on Patreon?” setting the tone for an engaging and candid discussion.

2. Early Life and Entry into Reality TV

Kristin Cavallari shares her journey into reality television, recounting her unexpected casting in MTV’s Laguna Beach. She explains, “[04:11] It fell into my lap, and it completely changed my life,” highlighting the serendipitous nature of her entry into the fame she discusses has had lasting impacts on her personal and professional life.

3. Impact of Reality TV and Producer Control

The conversation delves into the manipulative aspects of early reality TV. Kristin and her co-host discuss how producers controlled their narratives, often presenting only one side of their personalities. Kristin states, “[12:09] You guys didn’t have any control of what was getting put out there,” emphasizing the lack of autonomy reality stars had over their public personas.

4. Founding Uncommon James and Shifting Focus

Transitioning from reality TV, Kristin’s co-host discusses the creation of her jewelry line, Uncommon James, and how it became a pivotal point in distancing herself from reality television. “[26:57] I wanted like my own thing,” she explains, illustrating her desire to establish a distinct brand identity separate from her television fame.

5. Personal Growth, Marriage, and Divorce

A significant portion of the episode focuses on the co-host’s tumultuous marriage to Jay Cutler. She opens up about the challenges of a toxic relationship, stating, “[22:15] I had to make a decision of taking care of myself,” and the subsequent impact on her life and co-parenting responsibilities. Kristin sympathizes, “[23:03] I love that for you,” acknowledging the difficult journey towards personal healing and independence.

6. Navigating Dating Post-Divorce

Post-divorce, the co-host shares her experiences with dating, including her brief relationship with Morgan Martin and a humorous mention of Jason Statham. She reflects, “[56:34] I was like, fuck, he's so hot,” illustrating the mix of emotions and complexities in her dating life. Kristin adds, “[57:42] Amen,” supporting her co-host’s candid revelations about seeking meaningful connections after a difficult marriage.

7. Overcoming Trauma: The Home Invasion Story

A poignant moment in the episode is when the co-host recounts a home invasion experience in 2020. She describes the fear and resilience she exhibited, “[65:38] It was during 2020, so we were in the Bahamas for spring break,” showcasing her strength in the face of adversity. Kristin responds with empathy, “[68:02] Bitch is like, yolo can't scare me,” highlighting the podcast’s supportive atmosphere.

8. Reflections on Celebrity Culture and Accountability

The discussion shifts to the co-host’s opinions on celebrity families, particularly the Kardashians. She critiques their handling of personal scandals, stating, “[53:37] They have no regard for anyone else other than themselves,” and reflects on her own experiences with media manipulation. Kristin echoes these sentiments, “[50:49] Yes,” agreeing on the importance of accountability.

9. Defining Success and Future Aspirations

Towards the end of the episode, the co-host defines success as inner peace and shares her aspirations for 2025. “[41:30] Success, I think, is inner peace,” she articulates, emphasizing personal fulfillment over external achievements. Kristin encourages this mindset, “[42:38] You're like a phoenix that rose through that,” celebrating the co-host’s growth and resilience.

10. Closing Thoughts and Future Plans

As the episode wraps up, Kristin expresses admiration for her co-host’s journey, “[69:39] It’s a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at,” reinforcing the theme of personal evolution. The co-host concludes with plans to let life unfold naturally, “[69:24] Letting the universe just come to you freely,” concluding with a positive outlook on future endeavors.

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Notable Quotes:

• Kristin Cavallari [05:55]: “Having a narcissistic father is so... disgusting.”
• Co-host [08:43]: “Breaking generational curses, literally.”
• Kristin Cavallari [09:15]: “It’s like you can be so strong your entire life, and then it’s that one day that you just wake up and everything hits you like a brick wall.”
• Co-host [12:09]: “You guys didn’t have any control of what was getting put out there.”
• Co-host [25:36]: “I really did the work. And then it like I had lonely times, I had sad times.”
• Co-host [33:47]: “Accountability is so fucking huge.”
• Co-host [41:30]: “Success, I think, is inner peace.”
• Kristin Cavallari [65:38]: “It was during 2020, so we were in the Bahamas for spring break.”
• Co-host [53:37]: “They have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.”

Conclusion:

In this heartfelt and honest episode of Dumb Blonde, Kristin Cavallari and her co-host navigate through their past experiences in reality TV, personal traumas, relationships, and the quest for inner peace. The conversation is punctuated with candid moments, insightful reflections, and empowering messages about personal growth and accountability. For listeners who haven’t tuned in, this episode offers a rich tapestry of real-life challenges and triumphs, encouraging self-reflection and resilience.

Transcript

[Kristin Cavallari]

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[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

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[Kristin Cavallari]

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[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

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[Kristin Cavallari]

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[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

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[Kristin Cavallari]

Hey, guys, I need to ask you a question. I want to know why in the hell are you not on Patreon? I don't think you guys even realize how much content we have on Patreon. Let me break it down for you. We have the Bunny XO show. We have Meet the D fors. We have propaganda. We have more shows that we're adding. And not to mention we have the visuals of the podcast. Head over to www.patreon.com backslash Dumb Blonde podcast and sign up. Funny. Xo funny. Is this thing on? Hi, babies. Welcome back to another episode of Don Blonde. My girl Kristin Cavallari is in the house. Baby, hi.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I'm so excited to be here.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Dude, I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. We've been talking about this for, I mean, months. Months.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Maybe it might even be a year.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That's what I was gonna say. It might be. Yeah. So yay. So happy it's finally happening.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Dude, you are an icon in your own right. Dude. You have been around forever. And I don't think, like, I don't feel like the new Tick tock people really know, like, your whole lore. I love you. You have like a lore to you. And it's like people are just like, oh, Kristen Cavallari just came on the scene. I've seen comments like that. And I'm like. And they're like, who is she? And I'm like, you guys not know who Chrissy is?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love when people comment. Who are you? You're the one commenting on my page. Get out of here.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm the one who's going viral. Who the fuck are you?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

You know, it's so funny. TikTok is its own thing. I just did a voiceover to myself from Laguna beach and people thought it was like a. Like in real time. Like, I was just doing it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And some people Obviously get it, but TikTok is. It's. Yeah, it's a. Is it a younger generation?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I. I. Not on my fyp, but I. I feel like there's so, so many people that do use TikTok that it's like the age group is just so vast over there.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, I don't know what for you pages I'm falling on, but it's like, it's such a mixed bag. It's either like, Laguna beach fans who have known me for 20 years, you know, or these people are like, who the fuck is this chick? So, yeah, I get. I get all kinds of comments.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, let's get them familiar with you, because I have an entire interview planned out for you. Because I. There's just. You have so much. So it's like, I just want to cover everything, and I. Hopefully in this interview, people and podcasts, people will be able to get to get a sense and a feel for you of, like, everything that you've accomplished before you, you know, became on TikTok and was on very Cavalieri and all that stuff. So.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

All right, I love it. So let's dig in. Yeah, let's dig in.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Let's take it back to the Hills, because that's where I fell in love with you. You had, like, this huge personality, and you didn't take anybody's shit. Yeah. And I was like, who is this woman? How did that all come about? Because was it, like, a bunch of rich kids whose parents, like, sent them to casting agents? Or, like, how did this even come about?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay, so Laguna beach or the Hills?

[Kristin Cavallari]

The Hills.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

The Hills.

[Kristin Cavallari]

The Hills was first, right?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, so Laguna beach was first.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay, Laguna Beach.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay, so Laguna Beach. So, I mean, literally, it fell into my lap. I was going to high school. We all were just going to school, and MTV showed up one day and did an open casting call. And how they were able to come to the school was the school initially was on board with it. MTV was paying the school, so they found all of us. And then, of course, the parents freaked out, and they were like, there's no way we can have cameras in these classrooms. So MTV was like, that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just film on the weekends. But it was right place, right time. It fell into my lap, and it completely changed my life.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's insanity.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So you grew up in Laguna beach, or did you grow up in, like.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So I grew up all over, so a lot of people think I'm from Laguna, but I Didn't move to Laguna until I was a freshman in high school. So I was born in Colorado.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh wow.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Moved to Connecticut, moved back to Colorado. My parents got a divor. Moved to a suburb of Chicago. And then I was getting into a lot of trouble and so I ended up moving in with my dad my freshman year of high school. To Laguna.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What kind of trouble were we getting into?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, Bunny.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Cause I need to hear this. Makes me feel better about my childhood.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's so funny. Cause for so long I was kind of ashamed of my childhood and then like my partying ways and stuff and now I just fully embrace it, you know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's what made you the woman you are today.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Exactly. But so I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Eighth grade?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Eighth Gr. Yeah, I was young and so. And my boyfriend Johnny at the time lived close and he would drive his golf cart over to my house and pick me up and we would just. I mean, just animals. I got taken home by the cops in eighth grade. It's like all your typical stuff.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Who introduced you to drugs and that scene so early? Was it just like ditching school, partying.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like ditching school and just friends? Yeah, you know, it just. I think I was sort of drawn to that group of kids because I had a lot of trauma. And so, you know, my escape was to start drinking and doing drugs. And the only way I found a connection was with my boyfriend. I didn't have a connection at home. And so that was where I found it was with my boyfriend and through all of my friends.

[Kristin Cavallari]

When you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like, was it just a rough relationship with the parents?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So my dad is a narcissist. Typical narcissist.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So's mine. I'm just dealing with my dad today actually, and he died in May.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh really?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. No, I. It's. Having a narcissistic father is so. It just. It's. You can't explain it unless you've gone through it or somebody can relate to it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Cuz there's so many layers to it. So complicated.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It's disgusting.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It really is disgusting. I actually cut my dad out of my life a couple years ago, which is the best thing I've ever done, quite honestly. I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey. And there was a period where I was like. I felt like, am I going to have bad karma if I cut him out of my life? And am I going to have to like come back in another lifetime and have to, like, do, you know, work through all the same shit again. And I actually had a medium say to me, she was like, no, actually, that was like, what you came to do in this lifetime was to be able to stand up for yourself and set boundaries and cut him out of your life.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay. That made me feel so much better. Yeah. Just validated everything. But anyways, so I had a narcissistic dad growing up, and then parents divorce, step families, some sexual trauma with a couple different guys in my life, and just, you know, just like one thing after another. And so, yeah, I was just looking for any kind of connection, an outlet as well. So that was why I kind of went down the path that I did.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. They say that children who are born Capricorns normally have issues with the mom. So for you to have issues with you. I wonder what your moon sign is.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, okay, I don't know which one is moon and which one is. What's the other one?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Venus.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Venus. So I'm Cancer and Aries, but I don't know which one is which.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I could see you being an Aries moon because I'm an Aries moon also. So I don't know. We'll do your chart.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, okay, fine.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'll get your number and we'll do it on the podcast. I don't even care.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Mimi, do you know how to look up the birth charts? Yeah. Will you look it up?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, fun.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Just give time. You were born and where you were born.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I was born, and I was born at, I think PM the fact that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I signed the babies. I was a fucking. An AM baby, and I. I can. I'm a night owl.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, really?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I can. Isn't that crazy? Like, I came in the world am, and you will never catch me up at 6:30am that is hilarious. Yeah. Ever. Dude. While she's looking that up, we'll continue. But isn't it crazy, though, that, like, so much happens in your early life and it's like you. You don't know how to deal with it, and you carry it so deeply, so it comes out in other ways? Which was, of course, for you, was the partying and stuff like that?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I know. I think everyone is the way they are because of their childhood. This is, like, my favorite conversation.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

You know, because I just think. And I think a lot of people, they don't take the time to actually look inward and really work through their trauma and figure out why they are the way they are.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yes.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And I feel like that's been my whole fucking life, basically, is, like, having to, like, figure it out.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Breaking generational curses, literally. That's me, too.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. And finally I'm about to turn 38, and I finally feel like I'm in a good place with everything and have a good handle on it, you know?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm so glad you got a hold of it early, because I didn't want to start dealing with my shit till I hit 40. And when I tell you I hit 40 years old, I had the most crazy depression. Like, it. Like, it's like you can be so strong your entire life, and then it's that one day that you just wake up and everything fudgeing hits you like a brick wal wall.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So the fact that you have gotten ahead of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of you for doing that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, I've always said I feel like the first. The first half of my life was just, like, thing after thing. Just like, it was just a lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting the second half. Second half of my life up to just be chill, just, like, relax, and be able to just enjoy my life.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Do you think all that trauma that you had was why you were so fierce on Laguna beach and the hills?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I think it definitely played a role. And I think always being the new girl and moving around constantly, I was able to be put in any situation, and it was like sink or swim. And I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of it. So I think I naturally sort of had this tough exterior, this, like, take no shit attitude. But I also was able to figure out any situation you could put me in. So I think the combination. Yeah. Is what made me this, like, you know, fucking firecracker.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love that, though. And that's what you were known for, and that's literally why people fell in love with you, because, you know, back then, we didn't have a lot of, like, strong personalities like that on tv.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the time, and now it's interesting because people are like, wait a minute. Maybe Christian wasn't the villain.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Fuck. 20 years later, I'll take it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I. You know, and I don't want to talk shit about her, but Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way, and I was just like. I don't know. Like, it just seems a little too manufactured. Like, it just didn't seem real to me. Always came across as authentic.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Do you feel like. Because you were always the, you know, fierce one and the one to speak up and the one to fight back. Do you feel like people didn't really get a sense of who you really were because of that?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Hundred percent. And I think that was the thing. Laguna beach showed one side of my personality. And I mean, you know, we're all. We have so many different sides to our personality. And so, you know, people. Because I do have a very soft side, too. And of course, as I've gotten older and became a mom and everything, I've really honed in on that. But even back, I mean, I did as well, and I still have that take no shit side to me. But when that's the only thing they're showing. Yes. I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting because Steven and I actually did a Back to the beach podcast. It was a rewatch podcast. And we went back, and it was the first time I had seen it since it aired. And at the time, I remember being like, MTV fucked with me so hard, and. And I thought it was unfair. And then going back and rewatching it and talking to everybody, I was like, oh, no, they fucked with everyone. Like, they did what they did to me, they did to every single cast member. Even, you know, Lauren. They only showed one side of her personality, too. Steven. The same thing. And so I. I walked away from that being like, it just. It was what it was, and I was so mad about it for so long. But it was a nice way to kind of like, wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just me. I wasn't the victim in that situation. Like, it happened to us all.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's. That's actually a really cool perspective, though, because most people would internalize that and be like, was picked on and victimized themselves. And you were like, no, actually, they did it to everybody.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So you guys didn't have any control of what was getting put out there?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Nothing. Oh, nothing.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I feel like reality TV back in the day did that to everybody. Like, you signed your life and rights away as a human, and what they wanted to present you as was what you were going to be known as.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yep, I know, because, you know, it was one of the first reality shows, so we didn't know what we were signing up for.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Right.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And, you know, even things like, they would have us just record wild lines, just lines, and they could splice them in wherever they wanted. And so, in a sense, I mean, we kind of had an idea of what they were doing because we're like. Well, obviously I didn't say this, but you're having me say it into a microphone, so you're clearly gonna use it somewhere.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

We knew that they were manipulating it to a degree, but until we actually saw it, we had no idea what was going on.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And you guys were kids.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I was 17.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Did your guys parents have any say so in any of that?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, our parents had to sign off on it. My mom had a lot of reservations, but I wasn't living with her at the time, so it didn't. Kind of didn't matter. My dad was on board with it, so. I know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You know what? Look at where you are now.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, it's all good. It's all good.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I'm happy. I'm happy my mom didn't stop it, you know, but it was. It was hard to deal with at that age. Just because it's hard enough being a teenager, you know, and then having your lives being manipulated when it's your real boyfriend, your real friend. It just gets really. Just really messy, quite honestly.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So was it. How real was it though? Because, you know, reality TV back then wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you guys plots and like. Or was it. Yeah, it was genuine.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, so Laguna beach was more. Put us in situations and then kind of see what happens. Knowing that a particular situation is gonna probably press my buttons or, you know, this is not the group of people I would normally hang out with kind of a thing. Let's have Kristin's boyfriend go up to this other girl's house even though they're dating. And so situations that they know is gonna piss us off.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Right.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

But I don't think any show is 100 real. I think it's impossible to have a show even if you have cameras on you 24 7, like Jersey Shore, for example, they still have to edit it down into a 42 episode or whatever it is.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, 30 minute episodes for.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Right. And so there's no way that Something can be 100 real. You just. There's no way to capture all of that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, absolutely. We have your birth chart right here.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So you are a Capricorn sign. You're an Aries moon because I can see.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, you were right.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, totally.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And you're a Capricorn rising. So your mercury is Capricorn. Wait. Yep, Capricorn.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Why did I think I had cancer?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Your Venus is Scorpio. Oh, so you're a lover.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're a lover, baby.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love that you got a lot of.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Cap. You have a Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You have one.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay, wow.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Three. Does she have three or four planets in Capricorn? Three planets in Capricorn, yeah. So that's a stellium.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Wow.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. So you're a hardcore cat.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I could have told you that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But I could see the Aries moon in you because I'm an Aries moon too. And we're just so fiery.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's like, yes, okay, Aries is the fiery.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well. And Cap, too. Okay, Cap is Earth. But also the Aries part of it too, is just it all. I'll have to sit down and explain birth charts. I'm super into that, but I just feel like astrology really tells people, like, who they are. It's like, it's a love language. Totally.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I believe in all this stuff. I love it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. Do you?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, I have to. I'll have to start sending you stuff because I'm totally into that. So, moving on from the hills and all that stuff, are you friends with anybody still from the cast?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, I still talk to pretty much everybody. And the Rewatch podcast kind of brought us all back together, which was really fun.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And I have my 20 year high school reunion coming up in the fall and so I can't. I can't wait.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Are you excited? So you're gonna be like the hottest one there going back there? No.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I don't know. Everyone in Laguna beach still looks really good.

[Kristin Cavallari]

There's something. I'm telling you, the west coast girls are just.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's true. They have sunshine, baby. I think it's good for you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm from Vegas and we were always in Cali. Like, we Vegas girls and Cali girls, kind of like we all just. Well, that's like.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

We were always in Vegas because it's so easy. Yeah, we would. We'd have nights where we're like, let's just go to Vegas.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Half hour flight.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, my God, it's so easy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You know how many coked out trips I took on a flight, bro? Being locked on a plane. We would drive out of your mind.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, we'd be like, let's just fucking drive.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Three hours. I couldn't do it. Three and a half hours. Locked in a car.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Train wreck. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Cracked out of my mind. There's no. I've done it, but there's just. I could now. I could never.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I never.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No way.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, no.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love that, dude. I look back, we just got some pictures from my best friend who passed away. Her sister sent me a bunch of pictures of us and there's one of me in there that's like methed out. Oh, girl. Where are my eyebrows?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. Well, I was the same way. I had no eyebrows. Fucked them up forever.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Now I had to see. No, your eyebrows look fucking good. Well, they're. Mine are too, but yours look like you have hair. I can't even fucking grow a fucking eyebrow back.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay, you know what I'm going to tell you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor oil?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I tried it on my belly button and it made me feel weird.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I put it in my belly button.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I can't do it. It made me feel weird. So I get scared now. I'm so sorry.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I have it all over my stomach.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And it works for you?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Do you love?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And I put it on my face too.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I tried to do the castor oil thing because I wanted to be like the castor oil girlies too. And it just made me. I woke up the next day. I'm such a sensitive, like, girly now because of all the fucking shit I did in my past. Oh, yeah. So, like, now I can't. It's like I used to fudgeing snort eight balls and now I can't even use castor oil.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Right.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, it's fucked up.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's fucked up.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, it's fucking. It's. It's bullshit, dude. Anyways, moving on from the Castroil packs, how did you take. So you did Laguna beach, you did the Hills, and then after that, did you want to stay in reality TV or was that more of like your exit out?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I was like, get me the fudge out. And I think more than reality tv, just living in LA and feeling like I was my life felt really claustrophobic because at that point I had paparazzi on me every single day. So every time I wanted to leave my house, whether it be just run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have to be like, fuck, am I gonna have to deal with this? And, you know, this is before social media. So the tabloid world was just ruthless.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It was so bad back then.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It was really bad. And I was on the COVID of fucking every magazine. It seemed like every other week for some bullshit I didn't do or like saying I needed to go to rehab and all this shit. I just. I had sort of hit my wall and I really wanted out of la. Yeah, it wasn't even so much like, it wasn't even. I wanted to be done with an entertainment Career. I knew I wanted to be done with reality tv, but it was more like, I gotta get the fuck out of LA for my own sanity. And I actually met my ex husband a month after we wrapped the Hills. Oh, wow.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So Jay came in.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Met Jay. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Are we allowed to say his name?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah, we can totally say his name. Yeah. I met him when I was 23, a month after we wrapped the Hills. And it just sort of naturally got me of la, which was great.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, that's how it was with J. When I met my J was literally. It got me out of Vegas. If I would have stayed in Vegas, I would have killed myself.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Right. That's how I felt like in la.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I know. It's kind of cool how you know when you really want something, how the universe just sort of delivers it when you're ready.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Absolutely. All you got to do is ask. And the universal grab it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That's true.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So you meet Jay how? Take me on that journey with you guys. Relationship.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So, Jay, a year prior, I got a call from my publicist, and he said that Jay Cutler wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me on a date. And I didn't know who Jay was, so I googled him and I was like. I mean, I don't. I was like, whatever.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I don't know. So I said, I didn't know who Jay was till he was on your show. I love you. I knew who you were. I didn't know who Jay was.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love it. Yeah. So I said no. So. Okay, fine. So a year later, I was visiting my mom, who happened to still live there, and I was going to a Bears preseason game with my cousin, who was Bears obsessed. I totally forgot. Jay even asked me out. And my mom brought it up, and my cousin was like, what the fuck? You're such an idiot. Jay is the man. You gotta go out with him. So I ended up getting us family passes to meet Jay after the game, thinking it was gonna make my cousin's life. I would probably never talk to this guy ever again. And he walked in, and I was like, oh, shit, he's cuter than I thought he was gonna be. And he.

[Kristin Cavallari]

When he asked you out, how did he ask you out?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, it was through my publicist.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay, gotcha.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So it was never. We never had any interaction. So he walked in. He was really cute. He was very smart because he kind of, like, won my mom over. I was talking to my mom the whole time. He drove us to our car, and then he texted me immediately, and he Was like something about like, well, you gotta come back or something. And then I think I came back like a week later, and then it was like, that was it. We moved really fast.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I love relationships like that, though.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You know, granted, you know, do you guys have gone your separate ways, but I still feel like a moment in time. That moment in time was what you needed, and it was, like, magical.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. And he was exactly what I was looking for at the time. And again, I mean, I was 23. I think I was a baby. You know, like, hindsight is 20 20. I don't regret a damn thing, though. I mean, there's so much good that came out of our relationship. And ultimately, not only did I get my kids and it got me out to Franklin, Tennessee, and, you know, all these great things, but it forced me to figure out my shit and grow up and do the work that I needed to do. And so I'm really thankful for that as well.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What do you. What would you say was kind of. I don't want to use the word downfall, because that's heavy. But what. What do you think was part of the reason for the relationship unraveling?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So Jay and I always had a tough relationship, even from the very beginning. And I think I'm really careful about what I say, obviously, because we have three kids together.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Absolutely.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

But I think.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And we can always cut things out, too.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. I haven't talked about him in so many years. I made a vow. I was like, I'm done talking about him, but I'm happy to talk about it. It's just. I'm trying to think about the best way to say it, because I think things were just never good. And we tried really hard. I will say, like, we really did everything that we could. And ultimately I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first and especially as a mom and having these three little kids. I really wanted my kids to see me happy and see that I was making myself a priority and taking care of myself. Especially now having a daughter, too, I think that's so important.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It is so important because I feel like when parents stay together and they're miserable, that causes more fucking trauma for the kids 1000% than just seeing healthy co parenting.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching your kids then is, A, stay in something because you're fucking miserable, and B, they have no idea now what a healthy relationship looks like. And it just. If you can't be your best self, that obviously trickles down to your kids. And you Take out your hurt and your sadness on your kids. It's just such a negative, toxic environment.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yes.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And, you know, as soon as I got out of my marriage, I remember even my mom saying to me, like, shit, I had no idea how bad it was, but, like, I was a shell of who I was, and immediately I got my spark back.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And I love that for you.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

When you say that it was bad, was it just. Just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like, what was it? That was so.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It was. It was just. It was toxic, you know, And I think because I hadn't done the work with. On myself. And you were a baby, too. I was a baby. I didn't know any better.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Was he when you guys got together?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He was. I think he had. I think he was 28. 27 or 28.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay. So you guys were both young.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

We were both, yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's young love. I feel like the first. Like the first love or the first young love like that where you get married or something like that is, like, toxic, you know? You guys don't know how to fucking navigate life. I know how I was at fucking 23. I'm sorry to anybody whose paths had to cross with mine in that era of my life, because I was just a shit show.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, you shouldn't be allowed to get married before age 30, quite honestly.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Literally.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I agree. You are that age, bro.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I swear. I 100% agree.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know it. But. Yeah, but so the thing is, I was repeating a pattern with my dad, you know, and because I hadn't done the work on my relationship with my dad. That's what you do, you know, I ended up marrying my dad. And so it really forced me then to work through my shit, which is. Which is what I did. So when we got a divorce for the last almost five years, quite honestly, it's. I've really taken the time to, like, get my shit together so that I don't then make the same mistake. Yeah, I don't want to say mistake. That's not the right word. But I don't want to be repeating that pattern.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Absolutely.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And they do always say that if unless you do the work, you will meet the same person, the same human in different bodies until you learn that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Lesson over and over again.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Over and over again. So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavallari. Because when did Very Cavallari come into the picture? Did you start Uncommon James first?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I did, but they were pretty close together. Very Cavallari. Must have been 2017. I want to say. Or is that right? Yeah, because we did three seasons and it ended in 2020, so. Yeah. Yeah. 2017.

[Kristin Cavallari]

How did Uncommon James come about?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So I had a shoe line with Chinese Laundry. Do you remember that, Grant? My brand growing up. So I had a shoe line with them and I loved it. But because I was doing shoes with them, I wanted to do something on my own and I felt like jewelry was the next natural step. I love accessories. I think they make or break your outfit. So I. Well, I had this fire in me to show everybody that I knew what I was doing in the branding world. Because with Chinese Laundry, at the end of the day, Wal, I had final say. I didn't really, because it was a whole team of people. This is a well established company and I learned to trust my gut. I knew my customer. And so I had this fire in me of like, I'm going to show everyone that I know what I'm doing in the branding world. So I launched Uncommon James out of our house. And at the time, I was essentially a stay at home mom. Like, I did little things. I would host these big award shows, these pre shows for either on the red carpets. But other than that, I was basically a stay at home mom. And so I just honestly wanted something to do also.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And probably set yourself apart from the reality star.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yes.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You know, Cause you've grown, you've had a baby by now you're married.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's like I wanted like my own thing for you. Yeah. And so launched it and then I knew. Cause, you know, I had been offered a million reality shows. Obviously, like, you know, coming off of Laguna beach in the Hills, I knew I could always fall back on that if I needed to. But I wanted to do a show similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it be about Uncommon James. So pitched it to E and they were like, we'll do it if you're on it more. So I had to get Jay on board then and I had to get one of my friends on board. And then, yeah, we did it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What are your friends being? Kelly.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yes. Yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she or so we did the show. And honestly, the only reason I did it was for Uncommon James. Best decision I've ever made for the company. But I also, because I was an executive producer, I had such a different experience doing very cavallari. And the producers really looked at me like an equal. I was involved in every creative conversation. I always knew what was going on. And it was that aspect of it was Such an enjoyable experience. It was a great way for me to end my reality TV career, just with such a positive taste in my mouth. So I was really, really happy that I ended up doing it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's amazing. So did you actually get a say so on what was aired?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I was able to get shit taken out. I was. I mean, like, yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, it was juicy. There was a lot of drama. It could have been.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I watched it. It could have been way better.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm like, I don't know. I thought you guys did a great fudge job.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, I think. I think it could have been better. I think it could have been funnier. I wanted it to be like. I mean, and there were definitely. Jay was very funny on the show.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, he was. He was hit or miss. He was either really funny or it was like, what is going on with this guy?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, and, I mean, you should have seen the shit that got edited. There was one time we were filming and we were fighting so bad. The camera guys were like, okay, camera's down. Like, everyone take a break. But they can't show that because they wanted Jay and I to seem like we were perfect, you know, or, like, had this great relationship.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You could pick up on the tension, though. You could feel it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I think you could, too. Like, now, obviously, we got divorced pretty quickly thereafter. I think people then could kind of see the cracks, you know? But they try to do a really good job of showing us in a very positive light.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You don't have a good. I'm. You're. I'm the same way. You don't have a good poker face if you're.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I can't. Bullshit, man. It's like, I gotta be real. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

There was a couple times I was like, she's pissed at him. Like, you could feel the energy on. Because I. I watched Very Cavallary, too.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, well, I. The whole time that we were doing that show, I was really unhappy. Really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like. Well, that was a distraction probably also, you know, at that point, I was throwing myself into so much work stuff.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That I was. It was all a distraction.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Do you feel like the drama from the show overshadowed the brand of Uncommon James?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, because what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of marketing overnight. It just catapulted us to the next level, and it just. It set Uncommon James up, honestly, to something I never even could have imagined. And so. And still, I mean, we continue to grow, and. And I really do Think it's because of the show initially. I really do, so. No.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. All press is good press.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, exactly.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, which sometimes it's hard to. Hard to wrap my head around, but, yeah, we're learning.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, we're learning that now we're new into the. The fame thing. So there's a couple. Like, we go viral for some things that we've said in, like, 2020, and it's like, we're not even those people anymore.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Exactly.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're like, let us grow.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Let us know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But the Internet will. Man, that will just hold you to who you were at that moment in.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Time, hold on to everything.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And they like to bring it back and rerun it, and you're just like, like, what is fucking happening? God.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. I'm like, let's see you five years ago, what you were doing.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Literally. Let's. Let's shake those cells.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Let's go there.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, for sure. Where do you get the inspiration for Uncommon James? Like, for the jewelry. And you have clothes, too, Correct.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So we do. We're primarily jewelry, and actually now we have skincare. We've got merch. Like, we've got sweats and T shirts and shit. Yeah. But I wouldn't say we do clothing. But so for the jewelry, it just depends. I find that whatever's kind of going on in my life is where I'm pulling inspiration from. So, I mean, you know, like, during COVID it was like I was doing a collection about adventure, like, when we could, you know, when the world started opening up again. Like, what we would be doing, like, a daydreaming collection. I was in Greece this past summer, and that inspired a whole collection. So it just kind of depends on whatever's happening in my life.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love that. So it's like just little glimpses of where you're at in your life.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You'll be able to look back on your collections and be like, okay, I did this when I was here. I did this when I was with this person. And, like. Yeah, well.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And so my daughter, Sailor, she has a collection coming out in. I think it's April, but we designed it last New Year's, actually, when we were at the beach. And so, like. And that's really sweet. And it's all, you know, this beach theme and stuff. So. Yeah, it is. It is kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot of ways of, like. Yeah, what? Where I was at. In my life. It is fun.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love that for you.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Moving on to the very Cavallari drama that had happened. You had your best friend Kelly Henderson on the show. You guys had been friends for a really long time, correct?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, we had known each other well, actually, we met in 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but we didn't become close until a couple years later. But, yes, I mean, we definitely were friends for a while.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What happened on the show was that. Was it a storyline or was that really unfolding?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, that was real. So. So what happened was. So I think it was season two. People started saying that it seemed like Jay and Kelly were having an affair.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Right.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And I actually was completely oblivious to any. Any of that. But then I remember being like, wait, what the fuck? And, like, really starting to pay attention to it, and I was like, I never once thought that anything was going on. I stand by that. I don't think anything happened. But my issue was how Kelly was handling it and adding fuel to the fire and sort of taking advantage of it for her own benefit. And I said something to her, and it just blew up in my face. I mean, I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said, hey, listen, here's how your actions made me feel, I would go, holy shit. That was not my intention. I am so sorry. Let's talk about this. And this is relationships, too. But when people can't take any accountability and turn it around and throw it in. In your face, like, I don't. I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And I've had a lot of experience with that. That's actually like, a huge thing for me. Moving forward with all of my friendships, relationships, whatever, is accountability is so fucking huge. And it's really hard for a lot of people.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason. That's a good one.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That is a good one. But it's. I just. I'm at a point in my life where. Because there's no. I can't do anything with that then. Right? Like, this is how I feel. And if you can't acknowledge that, well, then I don't. I can't move on.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So that's basically what happened.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So the rumors were that they were having an affair. You never once thought, like, this is possibly true. Like, where does a rumor like that come around from?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, it was because of how she was with him. She definitely. She was crossing the line. And. And then, like, the way she would talk about him on social media. It was just. It was always adding fuel to it, where I was like, wait, what the fuck is actually going on?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Right.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

But, no, I really. I really don't think anything happened. I mean, I don't know, to be honest with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now sort of think of a guy as trashing a. Because there's 100% probably something going on. And I.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Did you ever confront him, like, hey, is this really bad?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. I mean, he walked, you know, hand in hand with me during that whole thing. But, you know, when you're dealing with a pathological liar, it's hard to know what the fucking truth is. There are things from my marriage that I will never know, and I've just sort of had to let that go. You know what I mean? I'm over it now, and that's why I can probably talk about it so freely.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But I think that's such an amazing thing for you to say, though, that you can talk about it freely now, because there's a lot of women who have gone through divorces also that never got the apologies that they deserved.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And a lot of times you won't. I never did and I never will. Yeah, but you have to do it for you. You know what I mean? You have to forgive them. And because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are cheating or whatever the situation. Situation may be, that's because they're hurt.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That's about them. Like, that has nothing to do with me. And so when you can get to that place and almost have empathy for those people and realize how much they're struggling, like, it's. It's not about me. So I. I forgive big of you, Kelly. I forgive Jay for anything that he did. Like, I just. Anyone in my life, my dad, even, I've. I have empathy for my dad because I understand why my dad is the way he is. I can have empathy and forgive these people and still not have them in my life. You know, those two things can coexist.

[Kristin Cavallari]

If Kelly, has Kelly tried to apologize to you?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No. And in fact, I saw her one time at the airport, and she fucking bolted. I was like, I could give you a big hug right now and be like, whatever, you know, Like, I don't hold grudges, but that just tells me she doesn't work through it. She's still holding on to that. So that's.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's rough, man. Yeah, because it's.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It also, at the same time makes her look really guilty. Like, something like, why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, 100.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Never let a man get in between a friendship type of situation. Girl code.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Girl code.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, what that is.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, I can't even wrap my head around that. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So you're. You are on this TV show. You know, you're doing your last. Who are off with reality tv, as you said. And then, you know, all this blows up. What happened with Shannon Ford? Are you guys friends now?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I've seen her. Yeah. We're. We're totally cool.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You guys are good?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay. Because I remember that was a whole thing, too. Yeah. You're going through all of this, and then you and Jay are headed for divorce. You guys get this divorce. What. How are you feeling in that moment?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, oh, that was such a crazy time. I felt so many different things.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, it was everything from such a weight being lifted to feeling like I could finally breathe, to being so devastated that I. That I was tearing up our family. You know, obviously, coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever wanted was a divorce. So. And I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a while. Christmas, I felt that I got really sad Christmas Eve. Cause I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as a family. I don't want to be back with Jay at all. But it's that. That family unit, you know, that bums me out sometimes.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Do you guys think you could ever do a Christmas together? Eventually. How are you guys co parenting right now?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's. It's been so up and down, Flash.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Not shocking, because, I mean, we've seen.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Jay's behavior zero consistency, which is really hard.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. You poor baby. Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It has not been easy, to say the least. You know, we sat together at a basketball game earlier in the year, and I was like, holy, this is the best thing that's ever happened.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're like, I'll fucking take it the bare minimum.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

We made it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Wow.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

We can sit next to each other, and we haven't sat together since, so I don't fucking know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Jay, come on, baby. What the fuck? Let's get it together.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's a bumpy road. So I'm gonna say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. And to be honest, that's not even what I want.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It's.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

You know, it's just. I think when you go through a divorce and you have kids, like, there are those moments where you're like, it's a bummer just cause you don't want that. But there's also a lot of good, of course, that came out of that. And I think even for my kids, you know, it's gonna make them stronger. Like there's. I could list a thousand things of why it's positive, but I do have those moments. But.

[Kristin Cavallari]

In that moment, you know, going through a divorce, just wrapping a reality show, how are you feeling? Like even getting back into like the dating scene or something, that was easy for me.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I was like riding a bike.

[Kristin Cavallari]

We're gonna get there, baby. We're gonna get there, sister. That's a piece of cake.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, you know what? It was, I think so I actually immediately started dating someone and then I went from that to another thing immediately. And so for the first year I was like, woo, having fun, I'm free, I'm dating. I'm like getting my spark back. Like just fucking loving life, quite honestly. And then Jay and I actually went on a couple dates. Yeah, we went on a couple dates trying to see if like. Cause man, it's fucking hard. And I think unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's like it has this hold on you. And until you can like trauma bond almost, it's a fucking trauma bond. And until you can really break that. I would go back a couple times and be like, but I know it's not right, but like, why am I doing it? But so we did, we went on a couple dates and then after I finally, you know, for the 18th millionth time was like, I can't do this. Then I really did the work. And then it like I had lonely times, I had sad times. It was really hard for me then to meet someone. Like I dated, but I didn't meet anyone that I liked for a really long time.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Because you're in the process of healing and you're just like, ew. Like you get the ick so easy, so easy.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Which is a good thing, you know. But yeah, then I, then I had to really, you know, get real with myself and do the healing journey. So it was, it was good.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What's a wellness like ritual that you do for yourself, like to ground yourself?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, I really do love meditating.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Me too.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I don't do it as much as I would like to, but when I do it, it's fucking powerful.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I just started doing sauna. I just.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yes, you meditate in the sauna.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's my new thing.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That's what I do.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I just Started doing it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's the best.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It's the best because you can't take your phone in there. I just set mine outside, and I just kind of sit in there for a half hour and just zone out.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's the best.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And you feel so good after you do it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. Well, they say it literally changes your vibration. It literally, you know. Yeah. So I do love it. What else do I do? I actually have these Oracle cards, too. I like pulling oracle cards.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, I love that for you.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's just kind of fun. I got tarot cards, too. I think I'm like a fucking medium all of a sudden.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm like. You're like a little gypsy over there.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, reading them for all my friends.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I would let you read my tarot cards.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I would love to read your tarot cards.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Let's do it. We'll have to do that. Like, I'm coming over for dinner just so you can read my tarot cards.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Let's go.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So you've written books, you've built businesses, and you're raising a family. How do you define success for yourself these days?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love that question. Success, I think, is inner peace, quite honestly, like, period. It's that simple. But I think there's no.

[Kristin Cavallari]

There's no. Peace is priceless.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That's the thing. And I think, you know what we were talking about earlier, like, when your whole life has not been peaceful, I value it so much, and I feel lucky because I've gotten to a place where I've been able to sort of, like, curate my life to be exactly what I want. You know, my podcast that I'm doing, Uncommon James. Everything's on my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority. And if I want to take a week off and go fuck around, I can. And that, for me, is heaven. So I feel very, very lucky.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're like a phoenix that rose after that, you know, that rises through that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Phoenix rising. Yeah, thanks. That's how I feel.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, listen, girl, you're a warrior, you know, Real, recognize real. I get it, man. It's when you go through so much, like, just tragedy and bullshit in the beginning of your life, all you want now is peace. Like, you can ask my girls. I don't fucking even want. If it's not fucking me, feeding me, or financing me, I don't fucking care about what the fuck is you got going on. You want to come to me with some bullshit, take it elsewhere. I do not care.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, Time for that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So, you know, after the divorce, you said that it was really easy for you to start dating.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Here we go. I love that little smile on.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Because you already know what's coming, baby.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Let's go.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Let's go. So was one of those men happen to be Morgan Martin? I know, because you dropped a bomb and the entire Internet went insane. It was your friend Justin Anderson, our suspect video. Yes. Oh, God. Can we elaborate on this? Because, you know, and I have to. I have to navigate this.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. You guys know Morgan.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well. See, here's the thing. I've seen Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged him. I've never had a conversation with him. My husband and him are friends, and they love. My husband is like, that's my bubba.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. And he. Morgan's a good guy. Yeah, I do. He has a big heart. He really does.

[Kristin Cavallari]

He's a play. If I'm the Himalayas.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Thousand percent.

[Kristin Cavallari]

The amount of women that have sat on my couch that have been with Morgan Wallen is crazy.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He's been with every woman on the planet. So he should.

[Kristin Cavallari]

He's single.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, we absolutely should. I mean, yeah. Yes. I. I definitely hung out with Morgan. Morgan. He's very sweet. Here's what I'll tell you is the first date that we went on, he was a true gentleman. And he was like, I'll pick you up. I'll pick the place. Like, just fucking handled business. He came and picked me up. He met my kids. My kids were so excited. It was so cute. We. He got us a private room. You know, he had, like, his bodyguard and whatnot, and dropped me off. He kissed me in the ra and it was like, the sweetest thing. And then we hung out there after, and it was. I will say, it was a very. That was up and down, too. It was just like. It was a lot. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

They always say you'll find the same.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Person in different bodies, so that's true. But, yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't talked to him in probably a year, but I have nothing but good things to say about him.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Was he romantic? I've heard he's great in bed.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He was good in bed. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

We got another one to confirm. Another one has Morgan. You slay, brother. Slay. All right. And we are in.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No way, Morgan. God.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You know, Morgan's gonna be hitting up. Jay. Like, can you please tell your wife to never talk about me on her podcast again?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Only for you, Bunny. Only for you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I appreciate it, so. But you did say. And I do. We have to bring this Up. You did say that he hurt your feelings.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Justin said that. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay. Justin said that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Justin said that. So, Morgan. So okay. God, I'm so sorry, Morgan. He didn't hurt my feelings. I'll be honest with you. Morgan was the first guy in my entire fucking life that wasn't, like, just completely enamored with me, and I was like, what in the fuck is going on? It really threw.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, because you're used to people, like, worship me.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I'm used to guys being, like, crazy, where I'm like, whatever.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, it's probably because he has 20 other girlfriends.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. He was busy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And so.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, allegedly.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Alleged.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Allegedly.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Allegedly. But, yeah. So it was one of those things where I was like, why do I keep going back to this guy when.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It'S just, like, it's trying to get the approval of your father?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love having the upper hand, and I feel like with him, I didn't have the upper hand, and I was like, I'm gonna fucking get it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Never did.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So I will say I walked away from him a couple times, and I was ultimately the one that ended it, but I never felt like I, like, had him, you know? And. Yeah. Only time in my life, so it really fucked with me.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, well, he has a reputation for being a bad boy who, like, lives up to it. I mean, the dude's throwing fucking chairs off roofs, you know?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm. Listen, I'm glad that didn't work out. I don't. I don't want to be with Morgan. I love Morgan, but I don't want to be with Morgan.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I feel like Morgan might be a stepping stone, you know, for, like, finding your true love.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

He's like the bad boy that you want to play with, and then you just. You tuck him away and you put him in the past when you find the man that you love.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

At the time, quite honestly, I was like, I kind of just want a fuck buddy in Nashville.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

That's really hard to find here for some reason. And I wanted to make Morgan that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But it was like, yeah, Morgan seems to be the guy that wants to step up to the plate to be people.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He's a great fuck buddy. The problem is, honestly, he was on tour. He was.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So Haley is losing it over here. She knows so many girls that have been with him, too.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Even I do.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And I'm like, God, Morgan needs a support group.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, literally. Literally. Because everyone's heart is broken.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I know. Morgan. You're out here breaking people's hearts man.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

But he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why the fuck am I like, what are we doing? This is silly.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So he's just a stepping stone.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And he was fun. We had a good time. And so. All good. All good.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Jason. Statement stays them. Stay them. How do I put it? Jason Statham.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Stay them where?

[Kristin Cavallari]

How? That doesn't even seem like your type.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, my God. When I was. How old was I. I was probably, like, 21.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Mm.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He. I loved him.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, not really, but I know he. Yeah, we were really good friends.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Is he tiny?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He's smaller than you would think.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, they all are, though.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, that's my issue with actors. They're never this, like, macho.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, I feel like I'm bigger than every person that I've seen on the big screen. I know every time I meet him. And you're tiny. You are.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So are you. But no, you are.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But yes, I'm a big back, and I'll take it. I identify as a big back and listen, hardly. They get so mad at me when I say it, but I'm like, bro, I'm a big back. All right. No, stop it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to be, ever.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And they were living lifts.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So Jason wear lifts?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

All right. Well, maybe in the movies and.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay. But.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, but. No, but Jason is a. He's a great guy. He's a lot of fun.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Did you guys actually, like, date, date, or was it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

We dated a little bit. Yeah, we dated a little bit.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Wow.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. No, he was. He was great. We had the same group of friends, so we started out as. As friends, and then it just kind of escalated. But, yeah, no, I. Nothing but good things to say about Jason, too.

[Kristin Cavallari]

How long was it?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

God, I don't even remember. I mean, because we were friends at first. God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a year. But not, like, hooking up and dating. Probably a couple months that that was going on.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But, yeah. Yeah, let's talk about your. Because we're gonna. We're gonna hop off your dating for a second.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay.

[Kristin Cavallari]

She's like, I can breathe. Let's talk about this beef you have with the Kardashians. She's like, let's. Let's hop out of one frying pan into another. Fuck.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay, let's go there.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What is it about that family? Because I've had numerous people, and they sponsor my podcast, so I do Their.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Ads on my podcast, too. And I'm, like, out there talking. They just renewed it for 2025.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I was like, with us, too.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

If you want me to just keep talking, I will.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love it, so. I love that, you know. You know, I. I think it's cool that they just don't care. They're like, you know what? We're gonna just sponsor the podcast.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. I know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

There's a lot of people who have sat on my couch that have different. Different stories, but the same scenarios with this family.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It comes to a point where it's like some of it can't be made up.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No. I mean, I think the thing is, I feel like we're living in this time right now where karma is, like, really playing a role and people are being held accountable on a big scale.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yes.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And I'm here for that. I love that. And, you know, mine really stems from God again. I mean, this is. I was probably, like, 22, 21 or 22. And, well, I had known Scott Disick. Same thing, same group of friends. We were always buddies.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You were with Brody Jenner, weren't you?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I dated Brody. Brody was my first boyfriend in la. So, yeah, it was all that. That group of people. And Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I fucking loved Courtney. We were really good friends.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I could see you guys being like. You guys are kind of like the same person.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And they broke up, and I was doing something in Vegas, actually, and I went with a bunch of my guy friends. Scott happened to be one of the guys that came again. We were always just friends. Well, he was devastated about Courtney. And the next morning, we all went out. We had a good time. I was never even alone with Scott.

[Kristin Cavallari]

He was devastated about Courtney, but fumbled the ball how many times?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, exactly.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, men are always, like, the victim. Always the fucking victim. Always the victim.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, maybe if you got your shit together, it would be a different story. But. So the next morning, it was on, like, Page Six or something that Scott and I had hooked up. And I was like, what in the motherfuck? And my friend Stu was like, I know for a fact that was Scott who told them that planted that to try to make Courtney jealous. Well, what do you know? That's, in fact, what happened. Courtney was really upset about it. And I remember being on the phone with Courtney being like, courtney, you know that that's not true. I would never fucking touch Scott. And. And I don't know, she was like, well, I don't know. I just know I have sisters, and I would never put myself in that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Situation her sisters have allegedly been with.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Right. You know, like, okay. And then. So they did end up getting back together, and we, you know, we stopped talking. But. But I am like, Scott must have said it was true or something, because all it would have taken was for Scott to be like, that's not true. And I'm. That was my issue too, because this was on the COVID of every fucking tabloid. And I remember doing an interview again before social media. So it's not like you can go on and defend yourself, like, clear your name. Yeah. So I remember doing an interview being like, that's not true. And all it would take is one of the Kardashians to be like, that's not true, for it to go away. But they wouldn't do that. And that's the part that pisses me off, is like, they. I think they have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.

[Kristin Cavallari]

They don't really defend themselves either.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I guess they kind of don't do.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. Like, there's sometimes that there's accusations coming out about them, and I'm waiting for one of them to speak up, and they never say a fucking word.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, I think, you know, talk about what we said earlier. They're in the camp of all press is good press for sure. Where I'm like, no, this is my fucking reputation and my name. I'm like, I didn't. I have an issue when something is so not true. If something comes out and it's true.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Questions your integrity.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. But I'm like, I didn't fucking do that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So that explains why you were so mad when Scott reached back out to you.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So I go on my podcast and. And just was talking shit about the Kardashians. Like, nothing in particular, but just talking shit. And then Scott Disick DMs me after fucking 15 years or something, is like, I miss you. We should hang out. It just felt so calculated to me. And this is what the Kardashians and a lot of people in Hollywood do is when you're out there talking shit, they want to shut you up. So it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And I don't play that game. It's so fake to me.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Do you feel like Scott is still under control of that family?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Thousand percent.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I think so.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I feel like he's such a loose. He's like, a loose. Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, he is for sure. But I think at the end of the day they definitely can kind of control.

[Kristin Cavallari]

They run the men in their lives, that's for sure.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Yeah, they do. Poor Rob.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Poor Rob is, like, disappeared. He's an obscurity.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I was not Dancing with the Stars with him. He's the sweetest, but he's kind of. Yeah. Where is Rob?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, is Rob okay? Yeah. Rob. Rob, do the red. What is it? What is it that Britney Spears does? The yellow rose.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Post a yellow rose if you need help.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

All that estrogen, too. It's got to be just.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So moving on from your beef with the Kardashians, because it's really not even beef. I think I feel like it's legit. Like your feelings are hurt, and Courtney should have been a better friend to know that you would not do that well.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And it's. I honestly, I don't even really give a fudge, to be honest with you. But it's just that the fact that Scott was trying to slide into my. My DMs, I was like, fudge off.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

But you're like.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're like, look, an elephant never forgets and fucking. I remember. Remember everything.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Exactly. And you don't want to fuck with someone who has a weekly podcast.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

You know that, like, I'll come out and say whatever. I'm also a loose cannon. So let's talk.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Let's talk about your podcast really quick. What is the name of your podcast?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

People want to listen to it, let's be honest. Yeah. It's, you know, wherever you get your podcast. Yeah. But it's. And it's a mix, you know, that's what I love, is having creative freedom with, you know, uncommon James and the podcast to talk about whatever I want to talk about. I mean, you get that. If one week I want to talk about, you know, fucking Scott Disick sliding into my DMs, or interview a neurosurgeon.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

You know, like, I have that freedom, which is really great and keeps it exciting for me.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I admire the fact that you can do podcasts by yourself.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I have. Do you never do them?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I haven't so good at that. I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk that much.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, that is not true. You would be so good at it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'll just be sitting here talking. I would probably.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

They'd be like.

[Kristin Cavallari]

By the time I got done, they'd be like, does she have five personalities? Because she literally made herself laugh, and she couldn't stop laughing, and then she got pissed off. Like, what just happened? Like, it is. It's weird. It might be bad for me.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I remember when I started doing them, I was like, this is the most unnatural, awkward thing on the planet. I'm just talking to myself. Like, it's weird, but it's a. It's a muscle. You. You would be so good at it, Bonnie. I feel like you should try it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I don't know. Listen, if you guys see me talking to myself, it's because Kristin told me to do it. So let's talk about the Montana boy.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay. Because listen, I was fucking rooting for you, dude.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

You were so cute on TikTok.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I was rooting. Cause I was like, let's back live, bro. Thank you.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What was the age difference?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

13 years.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, it's not terrible.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, you know, the thing is, I will stand by this. I still think age is just a number. And it was so interesting for me to see how up in arms people were because I was older and I'm the woman compared to how it is for men.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher got away with it, and they were the cutest thing ever.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Well, and they're. There's so many people talk about Jason Statham. I think he's like 20 something years older than Rosie. I mean, like, there are so many relationships out there and people don't bat an eye, but when a girl does it, that really pissed me off. I was like, what the. Also, it's not like. I don't know. I think so. Okay. Actually, here's my real opinion on it. This is what I think. I don't think people give a. That I'm dating. That I was dating someone younger. I think it's that I can do whatever the fuck I want in my life. I'm out there doing what I want, and a lot of people can't do that. And that's what's triggering for people.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Amen.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating for me to see that whole thing, to see the reaction. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

How did you guys meet? How did that come about? Did you see him on TikTok and you were like, I want that one.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay. Yeah, literally, I saw him on TikTok and I was like, fuck, he's so hot. But, like, okay, that was that. And then, like, a couple months later, he DMed me on Instagram and I was like, what the.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You manifested that?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I literally did, yeah. And then. And then found out they were moving to Nashville. And I was like, well, fuck, if this isn't meant to be.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. You're like, I mean, I just. I need to welcome him.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I need home. I needed that fuck buddy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I was like, oh, it's not Morgan.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's gonna be good.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

There you go.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. So how was you guys, really? If you could, like, sum it up.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

In a nutshell, it was great, honestly. I mean, we did have a real connection. I don't want to minimize that at all. He's a really good guy. It was a beautiful relationship. I. You know, I have nothing bad to say. It was fun until it wasn't. You know, it was like. It just. I felt the age difference. Like, no, no shit. No shock. Like, of course. And I get that. You know, everyone's like, oh, I fucking knew it. It's like, okay. But we all knew we have fun. I was having fun.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It was. It's called a fling for a reason.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Exactly. Like, am I supposed to marry everyone I date? Like, I don't understand. I was having fun. And I think people forget that the last five years have been my dating era. Like, I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when I was 23. I never was able to date and figure out exactly what I want and, like, figure out myself through dating. And so that's what I've been doing the last five years. And. And that was really fun for me. It, like, sort of.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It was a distraction, too.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It was a distraction. It was really easy. It just sort of naturally fit into my life. I said this on my podcast, but, you know, it's maybe selfish looking back, but I didn't really have to bend for him. In a lot of ways, he just kind of fit into my life, and with where I'm at in my life, that was really. It was perfect.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What you needed.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It was what I needed. And. Yeah. But Mark's a great guy, and I have.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I never even knew his name. I just know him as Montana Boy.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's Montana Boy. The Montana talks to me about it is like, yeah, her and the Montana boy.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Did you. Did you ever look around when you were with him and just be like, maybe. And this is not a diss to him at all. It's just. Maybe this is too small for me because, you know, you do have such a lore, and, like, you're an icon and not saying that he's. He. He won't be. But, I mean, all he has right now is the shirtless Tick Tock videos.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. And it's. I think it's a combination of. Yeah. I Mean.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's not me being mean. He's beautiful.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I think, you know, I think when you are young and you don't have life experience coupled with maybe not a lot going on in your life.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Right.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

There's not a lot to talk about, there's not a lot to bring to the table.

[Kristin Cavallari]

They're just pretty to look at, which.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Can go for a minute, you know, That'll get you through for a minute.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I get it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Until it won't.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And so, yes, I. I came out of it and was craving real depth and emotional intimacy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Intimacy, you know, seduce my mind and then you can have my body. That's what I always say.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. So now I'm like really, like in that mode of like, I want to learn something from a man. I want to like, you know, like daddy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, I love that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

But this, but that's what I'm saying. Like, it's fun. Like this whole journey that I'm on is really fun. And it's the evolution of me and I'm figuring it out and I love that. Like, I had that as part of my overall story. Like, fuck, yeah, I dated a 24 year old.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Was he ever insecure with like what he had going on and then what you had going on, did that ever become an issue with you guys?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I mean, we have to remember too, we only dated for like seven months. So I think. But no, I don't, I don't think that was an insecurity for him. Listen, and I think he was sort of along for the ride. Like, he was just like happy as.

[Kristin Cavallari]

He'S like, I'm fucking Kristen Cavallari. He was like, very, you can't tell me shit.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Kind of, you know. So, no, I don't think that was an issue.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Was he sad when you guys broke up?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, it was, it was really hard. It was really hard. And it, it crushed me, quite honestly, because I knew I was breaking his heart. And so. Yes. And actually it's been one of the harder breakups for me in the sense where like, normally I'm like, I'm done. Great. I'm moving on. I never even think about the guy again. But I think I've had a lot of guilt about it and I feel really bad. And so.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Because he's so sweet.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He's so sweet. He really is so sweet. And. Yeah, so that's been, it's been hard for me to like, let it go. And we've stayed in touch too, and I think that probably makes it harder as well.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Would you give it another old wraparound. No wraparound.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

As much as I love, you know, getting between the sheets with him.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Look at her. She's all flavored in her neck. She's all excited.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

No, I have to just close that door.

[Kristin Cavallari]

She's like, no, I'm fucking healing, all right?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I'm trying to heal our healing process. No, I actually. I'm. I'm kind of dating someone else now.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Can we know who it is?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I'm not going to say who it is. And it's really new.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But is he in the spotlight also?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

He is a retired athlete, which I will tell you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You love the athletes.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Fuck. They love me, I think. Ye. They always find me.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

But he's.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're a wag.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So I'm a fucking wag through and through. He's such a good guy, and he really. It's new, but he checks all the boxes where I'm like, fuck, this is what I've been needing.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So we'll see. We'll see. He's coming in a couple of days to stay with me.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Tell us who it is and we'll bleep the name out.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Okay. Bleep it out.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay. I don't know who it is.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, he's. He wasn't like, a big. Well, I don't know. I don't know because I don't know athletes really that much. But yeah, he was hired a couple of years ago, and he has so much depth, and I just, like, love talking. Is he older? He's 40.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Good.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, he has kids, so, yeah, we connect on so many different levels, which is awesome.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Is he cute? Mimi's over there.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I'm sure they're googling. Yes. But let me show you, like, real photos of him, not, like, fucking sweaty, sweaty hockey ones. The athletes never look good in their. Like, their photos online. I'm always like, get them in, like, real, real life, and they're so much better.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, that's how I felt about. What was that one? Raiders. The fire crotch. Yeah. He was so damn fine. I told my husband I think his last Max Crosby. I was like, we saw him at a game, and I was like, who's this? And I said, baby, my new. My. I text my husband. I go, my new favorite number is, I think 98. That was his number. And he goes, oh, you're a Max Crosby, girl. I love it. My husband was like, go, baby, go.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

See, that's such a good relationship when you're just confident and secure. Like, the fact that you can Say that to him. I feel like all my ex boyfriends would be like, what? Oh my God, are you gonna leave me for him? You know what I mean?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, that energy and. Yep, I've been in relationships like that and I refuse.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I won't do it again.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It took me a long time when I got with Jay to really understand the non jealousy because I came from such jealous relationships. And I used to get upset with him. I'm writing about this in my book, actually. And I used to get kind of upset with him, like, do you not love me? Like, why aren't you, like, fighting for me? Fight over me? You know? But I realized that's the toxicity in me that wanted that in him. And he never. He never rose to that occasion. And now I'm just like, God, I couldn't imagine being with a jealous human like that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, I'll never do that again.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Never, never, never, never.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love that for you. That's so nice.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're going to find it, too. I know you're too much of a beautiful woman to not have somebody see how fucking special you are.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, it's coming. Maybe I can feel it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, me too.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Let's talk about this home invasion that you were just like. You just recently started talking about it.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, I haven't talked about it because honestly, my kids still don't know. And even when I talked about it on my podcast and it kind of, you know, hit the media and stuff, I was sort of sitting there like, fuck, is my oldest gonna say something to me? Because my. He's on. He has all the things.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And my boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me. So I was like, all right, hopefully. Hopefully he dodged that bullet.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, we won't clip this.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, don't clip this. We won' so it was actually, it was during 2020, so we were in the Bahamas for spring break, and we ended up being there for a month because it was when Covid hit and I had all my Uncommon James jewelry laid out in my closet. And earlier in the day, our H VAC unit broke, so we had workers in the house fixing it. And. Okay, so Camden, my oldest, and I, who this is almost five years ago, so he was like, what, six or seven? Don't make me do math on the spot. But he was sleeping with me that night, so we went to bed early. So I had no idea where anyone else was in the house. And I woke up to the door was opening and the light from the kitchen woke me up. And I was so out of it. I honestly thought it was Jay. And thank God, because I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I go, what the fuck are you doing? And though this guy is like, oh, fuck. Stands up, runs out. And I was like, hole. Fuck. He had a ski mask on. Long black sleeves, black pants. Like, the whole nine.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, while you're sleeping, sleeping with my.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Fucking baby in bed with me. So I think because, well, so then I'm like, holy fuck. But I didn't want to wake up Camden. So your instincts just kick in. But I'm like, fuck, I have to go out in this house and figure this out. I have no idea where he is or where Jay is or the kids or whatever. So I grab my phone, I text Jay. I'm like, are you awake? No response. Because it's like 1am so I'm like, fuck. I go out in the house, and I'm just, like, looking around. I go in another bedroom. No one's there. I go upstairs. Finally, I find Jay. As soon as I woke up, Jay, I got really nervous. Like, before that. I was like a fucking Navy seal. Just like, going like, your instincts.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Mama bear mode.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, your instincts just kick in. And then once Jay woke up, I was, like, shaking, and I got so scared. Long story short, it was one of the H vac unit guys. He took all the cash that we had in a backpack, but we got it back. It was like, a guy that worked at the resort that we were at.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And you wanted to go to the Bahamas.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. You know what's fucked up? I've been back to that resort since.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Bitch is like, yolo can't scare me. Yeah. I love that, though. You're like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and just face it head on.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Exactly.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And you know. Yeah. And I. So that's like, one of those things that I won't tell my kids that until they're older, but unless, you know, I keep talking about it and they find out.

[Kristin Cavallari]

But it's crazy that you don't have fear from that, you know, because, like, that's. That's scary. You get fucking PTSD from that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I know. I'll tell you what. I don't know. I think even living in LA and stuff, I used to be so scared living in this little house that I had in West Hollywood. You know, you're on top of your neighbor, the whole thing, but living out here, I'm like, 20 minutes from here in the middle of nowhere. I'm on 130 acres. I feel so safe.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yay.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Like, so safe again. It's just at peace.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yep.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

And it's just a good feeling. I don't know. Yeah, I feel. I've got German shepherds, I've got a gun. I've got the whole thing. So it's like I just said, bitch.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm strapped with dogs.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Don't get it twisted. But I just. Yeah, I feel really, really safe out here.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love that.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah, it's a good feeling.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What does 2025 have in store for you?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

It's a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at. I used to be such a planner and be like, I need to do X, Y, and Z this year, and I've gotten into this more of a head space of just, like, letting life unfold. And that's not to say I don't have goals. You know, I'm going on a podcast tour. Like, there are really fun things happening, but. But I'm just kind of like, letting it all happen.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So I don't. I don't know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Whatever. Whatever happens, happens.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Just letting the universe just come to you freely.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Thanks.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love where you're at in life. I love the space that you're in. I feel like you've fought to be here and it's, you know, something to be proud of.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Thank you. Appreciate that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

A lot of people don't figure it out, and a lot of people, you know, victimize themselves or they, you know, wallow in self pity. And you're just out here being like, you know what? This has happened. I did this. I did this. I take it accountability, and I'm moving.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

The on well, because there's no growth in the victim mentality, you know, so, yeah, you got to take. Take charge of your life. Like, that's what I would tell people. Take your life in your own hands and do the damn thing.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I love it. Yeah, I'm gonna be doing that with you in 2025. I'm planning, like, a birthday trip for me, and I never do that. It's the first time I've celebrated my birthday and I can't even. Yeah, she was shook, but. And I want to go. But I want to go out of the country. And so, like, I'm just. This year, I'm just kind of like, I have worked my hours. Ass off my whole life. I just want to kind of have fun this year. I might even drink some alcohol. All right. And I've been sober since 2017, you know, so I'M like, look at Haley's. Hey, I got. I drink a beer with Haley one night.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Are you sober? Sober. You? California, so.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I'm sober. Sober.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Amazing.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I white knuckle through life, baby. Yeah, no, it's brutal. It's brutal. But I had to. I had to do it for my spiritual and, you know, emotional healing that I had to go through. Get it when I hit 40. Now I'm about to be 45, so I'm like, you know what? I've done the work.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Let me just have fun.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should go have some fun.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, that's why I understand where you're at too, just letting things happen.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So, yeah, I love it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you. I appreciate you being here.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I appreciate you so much.

[Kristin Cavallari]

We actually get to end the season with Kristen, right?

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Oh, hell yeah. Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So you're. You're like our season finale, baby, going out with a bang.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yes. Well, thank you. Thank you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And tell people where they can find you if they don't know.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

So just Kristen Cavallari, Instagram on and tick tock. And then, let's be honest, my podcast every Tuesday.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, yeah, you guys go check her out. You'll fall in love with her just like I did.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

I love you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

20. What is it in 2020-2006-2004-2004.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

God. Crazy. 20 years.

[Kristin Cavallari]

20 years ago.

[Unknown (possibly a co-host or interviewer)]

Yeah. Wild. Makes me feel old, but insane.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next season in Bye.