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About.
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Is this thing on? Hi, babies. Welcome back to another episode of Don Blonde. My girl Kristen Cavallari is in the house. Baby. Hi.
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B
I'm so excited to be here.
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A
Dude. I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming.
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B
I know. We've been talking about this for, I mean, months. Months.
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Maybe it might even be a year.
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B
That's what I was going to say. It might be. Yeah. So.
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Yeah.
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So happy it's finally happening.
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Dude. You are an icon in your own right. Dude. You have been around forever. And I don't think, like, I don't feel like the new Tik Tok people really know, like, your whole lore.
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B
I love you.
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You have like a lore to you. And it's like, people are just like, oh, Kristen Cavallari just came on the scene. I've seen comments like that. And I'm like. And they're like, who is she? And I'm like, how do you guys not know who.
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Chris, I love when people comment. Who are you? Yeah, you're the one commenting on my. Yeah, get out of here.
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I'm the one who's going viral. Who the fuck are you?
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You know, it's so funny. TikTok is its own thing. I just did a voiceover to myself from Laguna beach and people thought it was like a. Like in real time. Like, I was just doing it.
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Yeah.
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And some people obviously get it, but TikTok is. It's. Yeah, it's. Is it a younger generation? I.
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Not on my fyp, but I feel like there's so many people that do use TikTok that it's like the age group is just so vast over there.
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Well, I don't know what for you pages I'm falling on, but it's. It's such a mixed bag. It's either, like, Laguna beach fans who have known me for 20 years, you know, or these people are like, who the fuck is this chick? So, yeah, I get. I get all kinds of comments.
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Well, let's get them familiar with you, because I have an entire interview planned out for you, because I. There's just. You have so much. So it's like, I just want to cover everything, and hopefully in this interview, people and podcast people will be able to get to get a sense and a feel for you of, like, everything that you've accomplished before you, you know, became on TikTok and was on very Cavalieri and all that stuff. So.
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All right, I love it. So let's dig in. Yeah, let's dig in.
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Let's take it back to the Hills, because that's where I fell in love with you. You had, like, this huge personality, and you didn't take anybody shit.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, who is this woman? How did that all come about? Because was it, like, a bunch of rich kids whose parents, like, sent them to casting agents or, like, how did this even come about?
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So Laguna beach or the Hills?
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The Hills.
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The Hills.
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The Hills was first, right?
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No, so Laguna beach was first.
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Okay. Laguna Beach. Okay.
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So La Laguna Beach. So, I mean, literally, it fell into my lap. I was going to high school. We all were just going to school, and MTV showed up one day and did an open casting call. And how they were able to come to the school was the school initially was on board with it. MTV was paying the school. So they found all of us. And then, of course, the parents freaked out, and they were like, there's no way we can have cameras in these classrooms. So MTV was like, that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just film on the weekends. But it was right place, right time. It fell into my lap, and it completely changed my life.
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That's insanity.
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Yeah.
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So you grew up in Laguna beach, or did you grow up in, like.
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So I grew up all over, so a lot of people think I'm from Laguna, but I didn't move to Laguna until I was a freshman in high school. So I was born in Colorado.
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Oh, wow.
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Moved to Connecticut, moved back to Colorado. My parents got a divorce. I moved to a suburb of Chicago. And then I was getting into a lot of trouble, and so I ended up moving in with my dad my freshman year of high school to Laguna.
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What kind of trouble were we getting into, Bunny? Cause I need to hear this. Makes me feel better about my childhood.
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What's so funny is, for so long, I was kind of ashamed of my childhood, and then, like, my partying ways and stuff, and now I just fully embrace it, you know?
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That's what made you the woman you are today.
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Exactly. But. So I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out.
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Eighth grade.
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Eighth grade. Yeah. I was young, and so. And my boyfriend Johnny, at the time lived close, and he would drive his golf cart over to my house and pick me up, and we would just. I mean, just animals. I got taken home by the cops in eighth grade. It's like all your typical stuff.
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Who introduced you to drugs and that scene so early? Was it just, like, ditching school, partying.
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Like, ditching school and just friends? Yeah. You know, it just. I think I was sort of drawn to that group of kids because I had a lot of trauma. And so, you know, my escape was to start drinking and doing drugs, and the only way I found a connection was with my boyfriend. I didn't have a connection at home. And so that was where I found it, was with my boyfriend and through all of my friends.
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When you. When you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like, was it just a rough relationship with the parents?
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So my dad is a narcissist. Typical narcissist.
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So is mine. I'm just dealing with my dad today, actually, and he died in May.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah. No, it's. Having a narcissistic father is so. It just. You can't explain it unless you've gone through it or somebody can relate to.
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It because there's so many layers to it. It's so complicated.
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It's disgusting.
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It really is disgusting. I actually cut my dad out of my life a couple years ago, which is the best thing I've ever done, quite honestly. I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey. And there was a period where I was like. I felt like, am I gonna have bad karma if I cut him out of my life? And am I gonna have to, like, come back in another lifetime and have to, like, work through all the same shit again?
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And.
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And I actually had a medium say to me. She was like, no, actually, that was like, what you came to do in this lifetime was to be able to stand up for yourself and set boundaries and cut him out of your life.
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Oh, my God.
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Okay. That made me feel so much better. Yeah. Just validated everything. But anyways, so. So I had a narcissistic dad growing up, and then parents, divorce, step families, some sexual trauma with a couple different guys in my life, and just, you know, just like one thing after another.
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Yeah.
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And so, yeah, I was just looking for any kind of. Any kind of connection, an outlet as well. So that was why I kind of, you know, went down the path that I did.
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Yeah. They say that children who are born Capricorns normally have issues with the mom. So for you to have issues with you. I wonder what your moon sign is.
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Well, okay. I don't know which one is moon and which one is. What's the other one?
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Venus.
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There's Venus. So I'm Cancer and Aries, but I don't know which one is which.
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I could see you being an Aries moon because I'm an Aries moon also, so might have. I don't know. We'll do your chart. Okay, fine. Okay. I'll get your number and we'll. Okay. Or we can do it on the podcast. I don't even care.
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I love it.
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Do you, Mimi, do you know how to look up the birth charts? Yeah. Will you look it up?
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Oh, fine.
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Just give time. You were born and where you were born.
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I was born and I was born at, I think, pm.
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The fact that I know that I was a. An AM baby and I. I can. I'm a night owl.
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Oh, really?
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I can. Isn't that crazy? Like, I came in the world am, and you will never catch me up at 6:30am that is hilarious. Yeah. Ever, dude. While she's looking that up, we'll continue. But isn't it crazy, though, that, like, so much happens in your early life and it's like you. You don't know how to deal with it, and you carry it so deeply, so it comes out in other ways. Which was, of course, for you, was the partying and stuff.
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Yeah, I know. I think everyone is the way they are because of their childhood. This is, like, my favorite conversation.
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Yeah.
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You know, because I just think. And I think a lot of people, they don't take the time to actually look inward and really work through their trauma and figure out why they are the way they are. Yes. And I feel like that's been my whole fucking life, basically, is like, having to, like, figure it out.
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Breaking generational curses, literally. That's me, too.
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Yeah. I talk about it. Finally. I'm about to turn 38, and I finally feel like I'm in a good place with everything and have a good handle on it, you know?
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I'm so glad you got a hold of it early, because I didn't want to start dealing with my. Till I hit 40. And when I tell you I hit 40 years old, I had the most crazy depression. Like, it. Like, it's like you can be so strong your entire life, and then it's that one day that you just wake up and everything hits you like a brick wall.
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Yeah.
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So the fact that you have gotten ahead of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of you for doing that.
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I mean, I've always said I feel like the first. The first half of my life was just, like, thing after thing. Just like, it was just a lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting the second half. Second half of my life up to just be fucking chill, Just, like, relax and be able to just enjoy my life.
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Do you think all that trauma that you had was why you were so fierce on Laguna beach and the hills?
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I think it definitely played a role. And I think always being the new girl and moving around constantly, I was able to be put in any situation, and it was like, sink or swim. And I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of it. So I think I naturally sort of had this tough exterior, this, like, take no shit attitude. But I also was able to figure out any situation you could put me in. So I think the combination.
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Yeah.
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Is what made me this, like, you know, fucking firecracker.
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I love that, though. And that's what you were known for, and that's literally why people fell in love with you, because, you know, back then, we didn't have a lot of, like, strong personalities like that on tv.
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Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the time. And now it's interesting because people are like, wait a minute. Maybe Christian wasn't the villain. Yeah.
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Fuck.
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20 years later, I'.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I. You know, and I don't want to talk shit about her, but Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way, and I was just like. I don't know. Like, it just seems a little too manufactured. Like, it just didn't seem real to me. But you always came across as authentic.
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Thank you.
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Do you feel like. Because you were always the, you know, fierce one and the one to speak up and the one to fight back. Do you feel like people didn't really get a sense of who you really were because of that?
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100%? And I think that was the thing. Laguna beach showed one side of my personality And I mean, you know, we're all. We have so many different sides to our personality. And so, you know, people. Cause I do have a very soft side, too. And of course, as I've gotten older and became a mom and everything, I've really honed in on that. But even back then, I mean, I did as well. And I still have that, you know, take no shit side to me. But when that's the only thing they're showing. Yes. I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting because Steven and I actually did a Back to the beach podcast. It was a rewatch podcast. And we went back, and it was the first time I had seen it since it aired. And at the time, I remember being like, MTV fucked with me so hard, and I thought it was unfair. And then going back and rewatching it and talking to everybody, I was like, oh, no, they fucked with everyone. Like, they did what they did to me, they did to every single cast member. Even, you know, Lauren. They only showed one side of her personality, too, Steven. The same thing. And so I. I walked away from that being like, it just. It was what it was, and I was so mad about it for so long. But it was a nice way to kind of, like, wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just me. I wasn't the victim in that situation. Like, it happened to us all.
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Oh, that's. That's actually a really cool perspective, though, because most people would internalize that and be like, I was picked on and victimized themselves. And you were like, no, actually ever. They did it to everybody.
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Yeah.
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So you guys didn't have any control of what was getting put out there?
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Nothing. Oh, nothing.
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I feel like reality TV back in the day did that to everybody. Like, you signed your life rights away as a human, and what they wanted to present you as was what you were gonna be known as.
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Yep, I know. Because, you know, it was one of the first reality shows. So we didn't know what we were signing up for.
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Right.
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And, you know, even things like, they would have us just record wild lines, just lines, and they could splice them in wherever they wanted. And so, in a sense, I mean, we kind of had an idea of what they were doing. Cause we're like, well, obviously I didn't say this, but you're having me say it on into a microphone, so you're clearly gonna use it somewhere. So we knew that they were manipulating it to a degree. Ye. Until we actually saw it, we had no idea what was going on and.
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You guys were kids.
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I was 17.
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Did you guys parents have any say so in any of that?
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Yeah, our parents had to sign off on it. My mom had a lot of reservations but I wasn't living with her at the time so it kind of didn't matter. My dad was on board with it, so. I know.
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Oh, but you know what? Look at where you are now.
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No, it's all good.
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It's all good.
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Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy my mom didn't stop it, you know, but it was, it was hard to deal with at that age just because it's hard enough being a teenager, you know, and then having your lives being manipulated when it's your real boyfriend, your real friend. It just gets really, just really messy, quite honestly.
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So was it, how real was it though? Because you know, reality TV back then wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you guys plots and like or was it genuine?
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Well, so Laguna beach was more put us in situations and then kind of see what happens. Knowing that a particular situation is gonna probably press my buttons or, you know, this is not the group of people I would normally hang out with kind of a thing. Let's have Kristen's boyfriend go up to this other girl's house even though they're dating. So situations that they know is gonna piss us off.
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Right.
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But I don't think any show is 100% real. I think it's impossible to have a show even if you have cameras on you 247 like Jersey Shore for example, they still have to edit it down into a 42 episode or whatever it is.
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Yeah, 30 minute episodes for.
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Right. And so there's no way that something can be 100 real. You just. There's no way to capture.
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Yeah.
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All of that.
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Oh, you were right. Yeah, totally.
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And you're a Capricorn rising. So your Mercury is Capricorn.
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Wait.
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Yep. Capricorn.
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Why did I think I had cancer?
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Your Venus is Scorpio. Oh, so you're a lover.
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Oh, that makes sense.
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You're a lover, baby. I love that.
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How did I get Pisces?
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You got a lot of cap. You have a Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You have one.
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Okay.
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Wow. Two, three. Does she have three or four planets in Capricorn? Three planets in Capricorn. Yeah. So that's a stellium.
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Wow.
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Yeah. So you're a hardcore kid.
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Yeah, I could have told you that.
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But I could see the Aries moon in you. Cuz I'm an Aries moon too. And we're just so fiery.
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It's like. Yes, okay, so Aries is the fiery well.
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And Cap too. Okay, Cap is Earth. But also the Aries part of it too is just it all. I'll have to sit down and explain birth charts. I'm super into that, but I just feel like astrology really tells people like who they are. It's like. It's a love language. Totally.
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I believe in all this stuff. I love it.
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Yeah. Do you?
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Yeah.
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We'll have to. I'll have to start sending you stuff because. Okay, yes, I'm totally into that. So moving on from the hills and all that stuff. Are you friends with anybody still from the cast?
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I mean, I still talk to pretty much everybody and the Rewatch podcast kind of brought us all back together, which was really fun. And I have my 20 year high school reunion coming up in the fall and so I can't. I can't wait.
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Are you excited?
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I'm so excited.
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You're like the hottest one there. Going back there. No.
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I don't know. Everyone in Laguna beach still looks really good. There's something.
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I'm telling you, the west coast girls are just.
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It's true. Sunshine, baby. I do think it's good for you.
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I'm from Vegas and we were always in Cali. Like we Vegas girls and Cali girls kind of like we all just.
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Well, that's like. We were always in Vegas because it's so easy.
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We would.
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We'd have nights where we're like, let's just go to Vegas.
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Half hour flight.
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Oh my God, it's so easy.
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You know how many coked out trips I took on a flight? Same, bro. Being locked on a plane. We would drive out of your mind. Oh, I can't.
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We'd be like, let's just fucking drive.
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Three hours. I couldn't do it. Three and a half hours locked in a car.
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Oh, train wreck. Yeah.
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Fucking cracked out of my mind. There's no. I've done it, but there's just. I could now. I could never.
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I could never. No way. No, no. I love that, dude.
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I look back. We just got some pictures from my best friend who passed away. Her sister sent me a bunch of pictures of us and there's one of me in there that's like methed out.
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Oh, girl.
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Where are my eyebrows?
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I know. Well, I was the same way. I had no eyebrows. Fucked them up forever.
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Now I had to see. No, your eyebrows look fucking good. Well, they're fine. Mine are too. But yours look like you have hair. I can't even fucking grow a fucking eyebrow back.
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B
Okay, you know what I'm going to tell you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor oil on it?
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A
I tried it on my belly button and it made me feel weird.
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B
I put it in my belly button.
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I can't do it. It made me feel weird. So I get scared now. I'm so sorry.
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I have it all over my stomach.
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And it works for you? Do you love? Yeah.
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And I put it on my face too.
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I tried to do the castor oil thing because I wanted to be like the castor oil Girlies too. And it just made me. I woke up the next day. I'm such a sensitive, like, girly now because of all the fudgeing shit I did in my past.
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Oh. Yeah.
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A
So, like, now I can't. It's like, I used to fucking snort eight balls and now I can't even use ca oil.
- [22:03]
B
Right.
- [22:04]
A
Yeah, it's.
- [22:05]
B
It's up.
- [22:06]
A
No, it's. It's. It's. Dude. Anyways, moving on from the castor oil packs, how did you take. So you did Laguna beach, you did the Hills, and then after that, did you want to stay in reality TV or was that more of like your exit out.
- [22:23]
B
I was like, get me the out. And I think more than reality tv, just living in LA and feeling like I was my life, felt really claustrophobic because at that point I had paparazzi on me every single day.
- [22:35]
A
Yeah.
- [22:35]
B
So every time I wanted to leave my house, whether it be just run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have to be like, fuck, am I gonna have to deal with this? And, you know, this is before social media. So the tabloid world was just ruthless.
- [22:49]
A
It was so bad back then.
- [22:51]
B
It was really bad. And I was on the COVID of fucking every magazine. It seemed like every other week for some bullshit I didn't do or like saying I need to go to rehab and all this shit. I just. I had sort of hit my wall and I really wanted out of la.
- [23:03]
A
Yeah.
- [23:04]
B
It wasn't even so much like. It wasn't even. I wanted to be done with an entertainment career. I knew I wanted to be done with reality tv, but it was more like, I gotta get the fuck out of LA for my own sanity. And I actually met my ex husband a month after we wrapped the Hills. Oh, wow.
- [23:19]
A
So Jay came in.
- [23:20]
B
Jay. Yeah.
- [23:21]
A
Are we allowed to say his name?
- [23:22]
B
Yeah, yeah, we can totally say his name. Yeah. I met him when I was 23, a month after we wrapped the Hills. And it just sort of naturally got out of la, which was great.
- [23:30]
A
Oh, that's how it was when I met my J. Literally, it got me out of Vegas. If I would have stayed in Vegas, I would have killed myself.
- [23:37]
B
Right. That's how I felt like in la. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's kind of cool how you know when you really want something, how the universe just sort of delivers it when you're ready.
- [23:46]
A
Absolutely. All you got to do is ask and the universe will grab it.
- [23:49]
B
It's true.
- [23:50]
A
So you meet Jay.
- [23:52]
B
How?
- [23:53]
A
Take me on that journey with you guys.
- [23:54]
B
Relationship so, Jay, a year prior, I got a call from my publicist, and he said that Jay Cutler wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me on a date. And I didn't know who Jay was, so I Googled him, and I was like. I mean, I don't. I was like, whatever. I don't know. So I said, I didn't know who.
- [24:10]
A
Jay was till he was on your show.
- [24:12]
B
I love you.
- [24:14]
A
I knew who you were. I didn't know who Jay was, but.
- [24:16]
B
Yeah, So I said no. So. Okay, fine. So a year later, I was visiting my mom, who happened to still live there, and I was going to a Bears preseason game with my cousin, who was Bears obsessed. I totally forgot Jay even asked me out. And my mom brought it up, and my cousin was like, what the fuck? You're such an idiot. Jay is the man. You gotta go out with him. So I ended up getting us family passes to meet Jay after the game, thinking it was gonna make my cousin's life. I would probably never talk to this guy ever again. And he walked in, and I was like, oh, shit, he's cuter than I thought he was gonna be. And he.
- [24:47]
A
When he asked you out, how did he ask you out?
- [24:49]
B
Well, it was through my publicist. Okay, gotcha. So it was never. We never had any inter. So he walked in. He was really cute. He was very smart because he kind of, like, won my mom over. I was talking to my mom the whole time. He drove us to our car, and then he texted me immediately, and he was like, something about, like, well, you gotta come back or something. And then I think I came back, like, a week later. And then it was like, that was it. We moved really fast.
- [25:14]
A
No, I love relationships like that, though.
- [25:16]
B
Yeah.
- [25:17]
A
You know, granted, you know, do you guys have gone your separate ways, But I still feel like, a moment in time. That moment in time was what you needed, and it was, like, magical.
- [25:26]
B
Yeah. And he was exactly what I was looking for at the time. And again, I mean, I was 23. I think I was a baby. You know, like, hindsight is 20 20. I don't regret a damn thing, though. I mean, there's so much good that came out of our relationship. And ultimately, not only did I get my kids and it got me out to Franklin, Tennessee, and, you know, all these great things, but it forced me to figure out my shit and grow up and the work that I needed to do. And so I'm really thankful for that as well.
- [25:54]
A
What do you. What would you say was kind of. I don't want to use the word downfall, because that's heavy. But what. What do you think was part of the reason for the relationship unraveling?
- [26:06]
B
Um, so Jay and I always had a tough relationship, even from the very beginning. And I think I'm really careful about what I say, obviously, because we have three kids together.
- [26:21]
A
Absolutely.
- [26:22]
B
But I think.
- [26:23]
A
And we can always cut things out, too.
- [26:24]
B
Yeah. I just. I haven't talked about him in so many years. I've, like. I made a vow. I was like, I'm done talking about him, but I'm happy to talk about it. It's just. I'm trying to think about, like, the best way to say it, because, you know, I think things were just never good. And we tried really hard. I will say, like, we really did everything that we could. And ultimately I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first and especially as a mom and having these three little kids. I really wanted my kids to see me happy and see that I was making myself a priority and taking care of myself. Especially now having a daughter, too, I think that's so important.
- [27:11]
A
It is so important because I feel like when parents stay together and they're miserable, that causes more fucking trauma for the kids 1000% than just seeing healthy co parenting.
- [27:22]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching your kids then is, A, stay in something because you're fucking miserable. Yeah. And B, they have no idea now what a healthy relationship looks like. And it just. If you can't be your best self, that obviously trickles down to your kids, and you take out your hurt and your sadness on your kids. It's just such a negative, toxic environment. And, you know, as soon as I got out of my marriage, I remember even my mom saying to me, like, shit, I had no idea how bad it was, but, like, I was a shell of who I was, and immediately I got my spark back.
- [27:55]
A
And I love that for you.
- [27:57]
B
Yeah.
- [27:57]
A
When you say that it was bad, was it just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like, what was it that was so bad?
- [28:04]
B
It was just. It was toxic, you know? And I think because I hadn't done the work with. On myself. And you were a baby, too. I was a baby. I didn't know any better.
- [28:13]
A
How old was he when you guys got together?
- [28:14]
B
He was. I think he had. I think he was 28. 27 or 28. Okay.
- [28:21]
A
So you guys were both young.
- [28:22]
B
We were both, yeah.
- [28:23]
A
That's young love. I feel like the first real. Like the first love or the first young Love like that where you get married or something like, is like toxic, you know?
- [28:30]
B
100.
- [28:31]
A
You guys don't know how to navigate life. I know how. I was a 23. I'm sorry to anybody whose paths had to cross with mine in that era of my life because I was just a shit show.
- [28:43]
B
Like, you shouldn't be allowed to get married before age 30, quite honestly.
- [28:46]
A
Literally. I agree. You don't know who the fuck you.
- [28:49]
B
Are at that age, bro.
- [28:50]
A
I swear. 100.
- [28:52]
B
I know it. But. Yeah, but so the thing is, I was repeating a pattern with my dad, you know, and because I hadn't done the work on my relationship with my dad. That's what you do, you know, I ended up marrying my dad. And so it really forced me then to work through my. Which is. Which is what I did. So when we got a divorce for the last almost five years, quite honestly, it's. I've really taken the time to, like, get my shit together so that I don't then make the same mistake. Yeah, I don't want to say mistake. That's not the right word. But I don't want to be repeating that pattern.
- [29:24]
A
Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. And they do always say that if. Unless you do the work, you will meet the same person, the same human in different bodies until you learn that.
- [29:33]
B
Lesson over and over again.
- [29:34]
A
Over and over again. So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavallari. Because when did Very Cavallari come into the picture? Did you start Uncommon James first?
- [29:44]
B
I did, but they were pretty close together. Very Cavallari must have been 2017, I want to say. Or is that right? Yeah, because we did three seasons and it ended in 2020, so. Yeah. Yeah, 2017.
- [29:58]
A
How did Uncommon James come about?
- [30:01]
B
So I had a shoe line with Chinese Laundry. Do you remember that? I do.
- [30:05]
A
I love their shoes.
- [30:07]
B
My brand growing up. So I had a shoe line with them and I loved it. But because I was doing shoes with them, I wanted to do something on my own, and I felt like jewelry was the next natural step. I love accessories. I think they make or break your outfit. So I. Well, I had this fire in me to show everybody that I knew what I was doing in the branding world. Because with Chinese Laundry, at the end of the day, Wal, I had final say. I didn't really, because it was a whole team of people. This is a well established company, and I learned to trust my gut. I knew my customer, and so I had this fire in me of like, I'm gonna show everyone that I Know what I'm doing in the branding world. So I launched Uncommon James out of our house. And at the time, I was essentially a stay at home mom. Like, I did little things. I would host these big award shows, these pre shows for E on the red carpets, but other than that, I was basically a stay at home mom. And so I just honestly wanted something to do also.
- [31:02]
A
And probably set yourself apart from the reality star.
- [31:05]
B
Yes.
- [31:05]
A
You know, because you've grown, you've had a baby by now you're married.
- [31:08]
B
It's like I wanted, like, my own thing. Yeah. And so launched it. And then I knew. Cause, you know, I had been offered a million reality shows. Obviously, like, you know, coming off of Laguna beach in the Hills, I knew I could always fall back on that if I needed to. But I wanted to do a show similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it be about Uncommon James. So pitched it to E. And they were like, we'll do it if you're on it more. So I had to get Jay on board then, and I had to get one of my friends on board. And then, yeah, we did it. And I did.
- [31:42]
A
What are your friends being? Kelly?
- [31:43]
B
Yes. Yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she. Or so we did the show. And honestly, the only reason I did it was for Uncommon James. Best decision I've ever made for the company. But I also, because I was an executive producer, I had such a different experience doing very cavallari, and the producers really looked at me like an equal. I was involved in every creative conversation. I always knew what was going on. And it was. That aspect of it was such an enjoyable experience. It was a great way for me to end my reality TV career just with such a positive taste in my mouth. So I was really, really happy that I ended up doing it.
- [32:22]
A
That's amazing. So did you actually get a say so on what was aired?
- [32:25]
B
I was able to get shit taken out. I was. I mean, like, yeah, I mean, it was juicy.
- [32:30]
A
There was a lot of drama. It could have been. I watched it.
- [32:33]
B
It could have been way better.
- [32:35]
A
I'm like, I don't know. I thought you guys did a great fucking job.
- [32:38]
B
I mean, I think. I think it could have been better. I think it could have been funnier. I wanted it to be like. I mean. And there were definitely. Jay was very funny on the show.
- [32:46]
A
Well, he was. He was hit or miss. He was either really funny or it was like, what is going on with this guy?
- [32:51]
B
Well, and I mean, you should have seen the shit that got Ed, There was one time we were filming and we were fighting so bad. The camera guys were like, okay, camera's down. Like, everyone take a break. But they can't show that because they wanted Jay and I to seem like we were perfect, you know, or, like, had this great relationship.
- [33:07]
A
You could pick up on the tension, though. You could feel it.
- [33:09]
B
I think you could, too. Like, now, obviously, we got divorced pretty quickly thereafter. I think people then could kind of see the cracks, you know? But they try to do a really good job of showing us in a very positive light.
- [33:20]
A
You don't have a good. I'm the same way. You don't have a good poker face.
- [33:23]
B
I can't. Bullshit, man. It's like, I gotta be real.
- [33:26]
A
Yeah. There was a couple times I was like, she's pissed at him. Like, you could feel the energy on. Because I watched very Cavallary, too.
- [33:33]
B
Yeah, well, I. The whole time that we were doing that show, I was really unhappy. Really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like. Well, that was a distraction probably also, you know, at that point, I was throwing myself into so much work stuff.
- [33:47]
A
Yeah.
- [33:47]
B
That it was all a distraction.
- [33:50]
A
Do you feel like the drama from the show overshadowed the brand of Uncommon James?
- [33:55]
B
No, because what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of marketing overnight. It just catapulted us to the next level, and it just. It set Uncommon James up, honestly, to something I never even could have imagined. And so. And still, I mean, we continue to grow. And I really do think it's because of the show initially. I really do. So.
- [34:19]
A
No, no, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news.
- [34:23]
B
Yeah. All press is good. Yeah, exactly. Like, which sometimes it's hard to. Hard to wrap my head around, but, yeah, we're learning.
- [34:30]
A
Yeah, we're learning that now we're new into the. The fame thing. So there's a couple. Like, we go viral for some things that we've said in, like, 2020. And it's like, we're not even those people anymore.
- [34:41]
B
Exactly.
- [34:41]
A
You're like, let us grow.
- [34:42]
B
Let us live.
- [34:43]
A
But the Internet will. Man, that will just. Just hold you to who you were at that moment in time.
- [34:47]
B
They hold on to everything, and they.
- [34:49]
A
Like to bring it back and rerun it. And you're just like, what is fucking happening?
- [34:53]
B
I know. I'm like, let's see you five years ago, what you were doing.
- [34:57]
A
Literally. Let's. Let's shake Those cells.
- [34:59]
B
Let's go there.
- [35:00]
A
Yeah, for sure. Where do you get the inspiration for Uncommon James? Like, for the jewelry. And you have clothes, too, Correct?
- [35:07]
B
So we do. We're primarily jewelry, and actually now we have skincare. We've got merch. Like, we've got sweats and T shirts and shit. Yeah. But I wouldn't say we do clothing, but so for the jewelry, it just depends. I find that whatever's kind of going on in my life is where I'm pulling inspiration from. So, I mean, you know, like, during COVID it was like I was doing a collection about adventure, like, when we could, you know, when the world started opening up again, like, what we would be doing. Like a daydreaming collection. I was in Greece this past summer, and that inspired a whole collection. So it just kind of depends on whatever's happening in my life.
- [35:38]
A
I love that. So it's like just little glimpses of where you're at in your life.
- [35:41]
B
Yeah, yeah.
- [35:42]
A
You'll be able to look back on your collections and be like, okay, I did this when I was here. I did this when I was with this person. And, like, yeah, well.
- [35:49]
B
And so my daughter, Sailor, she has a collection coming out in. I think it's April, but we designed it last New Year's, actually, when we were at the beach. And so, like. And that's really sweet. And it's all, you know, this beach theme and stuff. So, yeah, it is. It is kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot of ways of, like. Yeah, what. Where I was at in my life.
- [36:07]
A
Life.
- [36:07]
B
It is fun.
- [36:08]
A
I love that for you. Yeah. Moving on to the very Cavalieri drama that had happened, you had your best friend Kelly Henderson on the show. You guys had been friends for a really long time, correct?
- [36:20]
B
Yeah, we had known each other well, actually, we met in 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but we didn't become close until a couple years later. But, yes, I mean, we definitely were friends for a while.
- [36:31]
A
What happened on the show was that. Was it a storyline, or was that really unfolding?
- [36:37]
B
No, that was real. So what happened was. So I think it was season two. People started saying that it seemed like Jay and Kelly were having an affair.
- [36:50]
A
Right.
- [36:51]
B
And I actually was completely oblivious to any of that. But then I remember being like, wait, what the fuck? And really starting to pay attention to it, and I was like. Like, I never once thought that anything was going on. I. I stand by that. I don't. I don't think anything happened. But my issue was how Kelly was handling it and adding fuel to the fire and sort of taking advantage of it for her own benefit. And I said something to her and it just blew up in my face. I mean, I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said, hey, listen, here's how your actions made me feel, I would go, holy shit. That was not my intention. I am so. So let's talk about this. And this is relationships too. But when people can't take any accountability and turn it around and throw it in your face, like, I don't. I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And I've had a lot of experience with that. That's actually like a huge thing for me moving forward with all of my friendships, relationships, whatever, is accountability is so fucking huge. And it's really hard for a lot of people.
- [37:55]
A
Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason.
- [37:58]
B
Clip that.
- [37:59]
A
That's a good one.
- [38:00]
B
That is a good one. But it's. I just. I'm at a point in my life where, because there's no. I can't do anything with that, then, right? Like, this is how I feel. And if you can't acknowledge that, well, then I don't. I can't move on.
- [38:13]
A
Yeah.
- [38:14]
B
So that's basically what happened.
- [38:16]
A
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- [39:46]
B
Well, it was because of how she was with him. Okay? She definitely. She was crossing the line. And. And then, like, the way she would talk about him on social media, it was just. It was always adding fuel to it where I was like, wait, what the fuck is actually going on?
- [40:03]
A
Right.
- [40:03]
B
But, no, I really. I really don't think anything happened. I mean, fuck, I don't know, to be honest with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now sort of think of. A guy is trashing a girl, it's because there's 100, probably something going on. And I.
- [40:18]
A
Did you ever confront him? Like, hey, is this really.
- [40:21]
B
Yeah. I mean, he walked, you know, hand in hand with me during that whole thing. But, you know, when you're dealing with a pathological liar, it's hard to know what the fucking truth is. There are things from my marriage that I will never know, and I've just sort of had to let that go. You know what I mean? I'm over it now, and that's why I can probably talk about it so freely.
- [40:45]
A
But I think that's such an amazing thing for you to say, though, that you can talk about it freely now, because there's a lot of women who have gone through divorces also that never got the apologies that they deserved.
- [40:57]
B
And a lot of times you won't. I never did and I never will. Yeah, but you have to do it for you. You know what I mean? You have to forgive them. And because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are cheating or whatever the situation may be, that's because they're hurt. That's about them. Like, that has nothing to do with me. And so when you can get to that place and almost have empathy for those people and realize how much they're struggling, like, it's not about me. So I forgive Kelly. I forgive Jay for anything that he did. Like, I just. Anyone in my life, my dad, even, I have empathy for my dad because I understand why my dad is the way he is. I can have empathy and forgive these people and still not have them in my life. You know, those two things can coexist.
- [41:41]
A
If Kelly. Has Kelly tried to apologize to you?
- [41:44]
B
No. And, in fact, I saw her one time at the airport, and she bolted. I was like, I could give you a big hug right now and be like, whatever. You know, like, I don't hold crutches, but that just tells me she hasn't worked through it. She's still holding on to that. So that's.
- [41:57]
A
That's rough, man. Yeah. Because it's.
- [41:59]
B
It.
- [41:59]
A
It also, at the same time, makes her look really guilty. Like, something like, why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore.
- [42:07]
B
Like, 100.
- [42:08]
A
Never let a man get in between a friendship type of situation. Girl code.
- [42:11]
B
Girl code. Like, what that is. Like, I can't even wrap my head around that. Yeah.
- [42:18]
A
So you're. You are on this TV show. You know, you're doing your last. Who are off with reality tv, as you said. And then, you know, all this blows up. What happened with Shannon Ford? Are you guys friends now?
- [42:32]
B
I've seen her. Yeah, We're. We're totally cool.
- [42:34]
A
You guys are good.
- [42:34]
B
Yeah.
- [42:35]
A
Okay. Because I remember that was a whole thing, too. Too. Yeah. You're going through all of this, and then you and Jay are headed for divorce. You guys get this divorce. What. How are you feeling in that moment?
- [42:45]
B
Like, oh, that was such a crazy time. I felt so many different things.
- [42:52]
A
Yeah.
- [42:52]
B
I mean, it was everything from such a weight being lifted to feeling like I could finally breathe.
- [43:00]
A
Yeah.
- [43:00]
B
To being so devastated that I. That. That I was tearing up our family. You know, obviously, coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever wanted was a divorce. So. And. And I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a while. Christmas, I felt that I got really sad Christmas Eve. Cause I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as a family. I don't want to be back with Jay at all. But it's that. That family unit, you know, that bums me out sometimes.
- [43:29]
A
Do you guys think you could ever do a Christmas together? Eventually. How are you guys co parenting right now? It's.
- [43:35]
B
It's been so up and down.
- [43:38]
A
Well, it's not shocking because, I mean, we've seen Jay's behavior.
- [43:42]
B
Zero fucking consistency, which is really hard.
- [43:45]
A
Yeah. You poor baby.
- [43:47]
B
Yeah. It has not been easy, to say the least. You know, we sat together at a basketball game earlier in the year, and I was like, holy fuck. This is the best thing that's ever happened.
- [44:00]
A
You're like, all, take it the bare minimum, guys.
- [44:02]
B
We made it. Wow. We can sit next to each other. And we haven't sat together since, so I don't fucking know.
- [44:10]
A
Jay, come on, baby. Let's get it together.
- [44:13]
B
It's a. It's a bumpy. Road. So I'm gonna say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. And to be honest, that's not even what I want. It's, you know, it's just, I think when you go through a divorce and you have kids, like, there are those moments where you're like, it's a bummer just because you don't want that. But there's also a lot of good, of course, that came out of that. And I think even for my kids, you know, it's gonna make them stronger. Like, there's. I could list a thousand things of why it's positive, but I do have those moments. But.
- [44:45]
A
In that moment, you know, going through a divorce, just wrapping a reality show, how are you feeling? Like, even getting back into, like the dating scene or something?
- [44:53]
B
That was easy for me. I was writing about it.
- [44:57]
A
Oh, we're gonna get there, baby. We're gonna get there, sister.
- [44:59]
B
Here's a piece of cake. Well, you know what? It was, I think so I actually immediately started dating someone and then I went from that to another thing immediately. And so for the first year I was like, woo, having fun. I'm free, I'm dating. I'm like getting my spark back. Like just fucking loving life, quite honestly. And then Jay and I actually went on a couple dates. Yeah, we went on a couple dates trying to see if, like. Cause, man, it's fucking hard. And I think unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's like, it has this hold on you. And until you can, like, it's a trauma bond almost. It's a fucking trauma bond. And until you can really break that. I would go back a couple times and be like, but I know it's not right, but like, why am I doing it? But so we did, we went on a couple dates. And then after I finally, you know, for the 18th millionth time was like, I can't do this. Then I really did the work. And then it, like, I had lonely times, I had sad times. It was really hard for me then to meet someone. Like, I dated, but I didn't meet anyone that I liked for a really long time.
- [46:04]
A
Because you're in the process of healing and you're just like, ew. Like, you get the ick so easy, so easy.
- [46:09]
B
Which is a good thing, you know. But yeah, then I then I had to really, you know, get real with myself and do the healing journey. So it was, it was good.
- [46:19]
A
What's a wellness, like, ritual that you do for yourself, like, to ground yourself?
- [46:23]
B
I mean, I mean, I really do love meditating. Me, too. I don't do it as much as I would like to, but when I do it, it's fucking powerful.
- [46:31]
A
I just started doing sauna. I just.
- [46:33]
B
Yes, you meditate in the sauna.
- [46:34]
A
That's my new thing.
- [46:35]
B
That's what I do.
- [46:36]
A
I just started doing it.
- [46:37]
B
It's the best.
- [46:38]
A
It's the best because you can't take your phone in there.
- [46:40]
B
Yeah.
- [46:40]
A
Like, I just set mine outside, and I just kind of, like, sit in there for a half hour and just zone out.
- [46:45]
B
Yeah, it's the best.
- [46:46]
A
And you feel so good after you do it.
- [46:47]
B
I know. Well, they say it literally changes your vibration. Like, it literally, you know? Yeah. So I do love it. What else do I do? I actually have these Oracle cards, too. I like pulling oracle cards.
- [46:59]
A
Oh, I love that brie.
- [47:00]
B
This is kind of fun. I got tarot cards, too. I think I'm like, a fucking medium all of a sudden.
- [47:03]
A
I'm like. You're like a little gypsy over there.
- [47:06]
B
Like, reading them for all my friends.
- [47:07]
A
I would let you read my tarot cards.
- [47:09]
B
I would love to read your tarot cards. Let's do it.
- [47:11]
A
We'll have to do that. Like, I'm coming over for dinner just so you can read my tarot cards.
- [47:15]
B
Let's go.
- [47:16]
A
So you've written books, you've built businesses, and you're raising a family. How do you define success for yourself these days?
- [47:25]
B
I love that question. Success, I think, is inner peace, quite honestly, like, period. It's that simple. But I think there's no.
- [47:33]
A
There's no. Peace is priceless.
- [47:36]
B
That's the thing. And I think, you know, what we were talking about earlier, like, when your whole life has not been peaceful, I value it so much, and I feel lucky because I've gotten to a place where I've been able to sort of, like, curate my life to be exactly what I want. You know, my podcast that I'm doing, Uncommon James, Everything's on my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority, and if I want to take a week off and go fuck around, I can. And that, for me, is heaven. So I feel very, very lucky.
- [48:07]
A
You're like a phoenix. That rose after that, you know, that rises through that.
- [48:10]
B
Phoenix Rising.
- [48:11]
A
Yeah.
- [48:12]
B
Thanks. That's how I feel.
- [48:14]
A
No, listen, girl, you're a warrior, you know, real recognize real. I get it, man. It's when you go through so much, like, just tragedy and. And bullshit in the Beginning of your life. All you want now is peace. Like you can ask my girls. I don't fudgeing. Even if it's not fudgeing me, feeding me, or financing me. I don't fudgeing care, man. Baby, about what the fudge is you got going on. You want to come to me with some bullshit, take it elsewhere.
- [48:38]
B
No time for that.
- [48:40]
A
So, you know, after the divorce, you said that it was really easy for you to start dating.
- [48:46]
B
Here we go.
- [48:49]
A
I love that little smile. Because you. You already know what's coming, baby.
- [48:53]
B
Let's go.
- [48:54]
A
Let's go. Was one of those men happen to be Morgan?
- [48:58]
B
How did I know?
- [49:01]
A
Because you dropped a bomb and the entire Internet went insane. What was your name? It was your friend Justin Anderson.
- [49:07]
B
Our suspect video.
- [49:09]
A
Yes. Oh, God. Can we. Can we elaborate on this? Because, you know, and I have to. I have to navigate this.
- [49:17]
B
Yeah. You guys know Morgan.
- [49:19]
A
Well. See, here's the thing. I've seen Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged him. I've never had a conversation with him. My husband and him are friends, and they love. My husband is like, that's my bubba.
- [49:28]
B
Yeah. And he. Morgan's a good guy. Yeah, I do. He has a big heart. He really does.
- [49:33]
A
He's a play. If I'm the Himalayas.
- [49:34]
B
Thousand percent.
- [49:35]
A
The amount of women that have sat on my couch that have been with Morgan Wallen is crazy.
- [49:39]
B
He's been with every woman on the planet.
- [49:41]
A
He should. He's.
- [49:43]
B
Yeah, he absolutely should. I mean, yeah. Yes, I. I definitely hung out with Morgan. Morgan is. He's very sweet. Here's what I'll tell you is the first date that we went on, he was a true gentleman. And he was like, I'll pick you up. I'll pick the place. Like, just fucking handled business. He came and picked me up. He met my kids. My kids were so excited. Yeah, it was so cute. We. He got us a private room. You know, he had, like, his bodyguard and whatnot. And dropped me. He kissed me in the rain, and it was like the sweetest thing. And then we hung out there after, and it was. I will say it was a very. That was up and down, too. It was just like. It was a lot. Yeah.
- [50:30]
A
They always say you'll find the same.
- [50:31]
B
Person in different bodies, so that's true. But, yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't talked to him in probably a year, but I have nothing but good things to say about him.
- [50:41]
A
Was he romantic? I've heard he's great in bed.
- [50:49]
B
He was good in bed.
- [50:50]
A
Yeah, we got another one to confirm. Another one has Morgan. You slay, brother Slay. All right. And we are in.
- [50:59]
B
No way, Morgan.
- [51:00]
A
God. You know, Morgan's gonna be hitting up. Jay. Like, can you please tell your wife to never talk about me on her podcast again?
- [51:06]
B
Only for you, buddy. Only.
- [51:07]
A
Only for you. I appreciate it. So. But you did say. And I. Do. I. We have to bring this up. You did say that he hurt your feelings.
- [51:16]
B
Justin said that.
- [51:17]
A
Yeah, okay. Justin said that.
- [51:18]
B
Justin said that. So, Morgan. So, okay. God, I'm so sorry, Morgan. He didn't hurt my feelings. I'll be honest with you. Morgan was the first guy in my entire fucking life that wasn't, like. Like, just completely enamored with me, and I was like, what in the is going on? It really threw me.
- [51:41]
A
Yeah, because you're used to people, like, worshiping.
- [51:43]
B
Yes. I'm used to guys being, like, crazy, where I'm like, whatever.
- [51:47]
A
Well, it's probably because he has 20 other girlfriends.
- [51:49]
B
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. He was busy.
- [51:51]
A
Yeah.
- [51:53]
B
And so.
- [51:55]
A
Yeah, allegedly.
- [51:56]
B
Allegedly.
- [51:57]
A
Allegedly.
- [51:58]
B
Allegedly. But, yeah, so it was one of those things where I was like, why do I keep going back to this guy when it's just like.
- [52:05]
A
Like, it's trying to get the approval of your father.
- [52:08]
B
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love having the upper hand, and I feel like with him, I didn't have the upper hand, and I was like, I'm gonna fucking get it.
- [52:15]
A
Yeah.
- [52:15]
B
Never did. Oh. So I will say I walked away from him a couple times, and I was ultimately the one that ended it, but I never felt like I, like, had him, you know? And. Yeah. Only time in my life, so it really fucked with me.
- [52:27]
A
Yeah, well, he has a reputation for being a bad boy. He, like, lives up to it. I mean, the dude's throwing fucking chairs off roofs, you know?
- [52:34]
B
Yeah.
- [52:35]
A
Like.
- [52:35]
B
Yeah, no, I'm. Listen, I'm glad that didn't work out.
- [52:38]
A
I don't.
- [52:38]
B
I don't want to be with Morgan. I love Morgan, but I don't want.
- [52:40]
A
To be with Morgan. I feel like Morgan might be a stepping stone, you know, for, like, finding your true love.
- [52:46]
B
Yeah.
- [52:47]
A
He's like the bad boy that you want to play with, and then you just. You tuck him away and you put him in the past when he's the.
- [52:52]
B
Man that you love. At the time, quite honestly, I was like, I kind of just want a fuck buddy in Nashville. Yeah, that's really hard to find here for some reason. And I wanted to make Morgan that.
- [53:01]
A
But it was like, yeah, Morgan seems to Be the guy that wants to step up to the plate to be.
- [53:05]
B
People'S a great fuck buddy. The problem is, honestly, he was on tour. He's so.
- [53:08]
A
Kaylee's losing it over here. She knows so many girls that have been with him too.
- [53:13]
B
Even I do.
- [53:14]
A
And oh, my God, Morgan has need the support group.
- [53:18]
B
No, literally. Literally. Because everyone's heart is broken.
- [53:21]
A
I know. Morgan, you're out here breaking people's hearts, man.
- [53:25]
B
Morgan. But he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why. Why the am I like, what are we doing? This is silly.
- [53:31]
A
So, yeah, stepping stone.
- [53:33]
B
He's. And he was fun. Like, we had a good time and so, you know. All good, all good.
- [53:37]
A
Jason statement. Stay them. How do I put it? Jason Statham.
- [53:42]
B
Jason Statham.
- [53:43]
A
Where? How. That doesn't even seem like your type.
- [53:46]
B
Oh, my God. When I was. How old was I. I was probably like 21. He. I loved him.
- [53:56]
A
Yeah.
- [53:56]
B
I mean, not really, but I know he. Yeah, we were really good friends.
- [54:01]
A
Is he tiny?
- [54:02]
B
He's smaller than you would think. Yeah. Like, they all are, though. You know what I mean? That's my issue with actors. They're never this, like, macho.
- [54:09]
A
Like, I feel like I'm bigger than every person that I've seen on the big screen. I know every time I meet him. And you're tiny. You are.
- [54:15]
B
So are you. But. No, you are.
- [54:17]
A
But yes, I'm a big bad. And I'll take it. I identify as a big bad bitch. And listen, hardly. They get so mad at me when I say it, but I'm like, bro, I'm a big bag bitch. All right. No, stop it.
- [54:30]
B
No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to ever, ever.
- [54:34]
A
And they were lifts.
- [54:36]
B
I know. Yeah.
- [54:37]
A
So Jason wear lifts?
- [54:39]
B
No.
- [54:39]
A
Okay.
- [54:39]
B
All right, well, maybe in the movies and shit.
- [54:41]
A
Okay.
- [54:41]
B
But yeah, but. No, but Jason is a. He's a great guy. He's a lot of fun.
- [54:45]
A
Did you guys actually, like, date date, or was it.
- [54:47]
B
We dated a little bit. Yeah, we dated a little bit. Yeah, no, he was. He was great. We had the same group of friends. So we started out as. As friends and then it just kind of escalated. But yeah, no, I. Nothing but good things to say about Jason too.
- [55:02]
A
How long was it?
- [55:03]
B
God, I don't even remember. I mean, we. Because we were friends at first. God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a year. But not like hooking up and dating. Probably a couple months that that was going on.
- [55:13]
A
But yeah. Yeah, let's Talk about your. Because we're gonna. We're gonna hop off your dating for a second.
- [55:20]
B
Okay.
- [55:21]
A
She's like, let's talk about this beef you have with the Kardashians. She's like, let's. Let's hop out of one frying pan into another.
- [55:31]
B
Okay.
- [55:31]
A
Let's go there. What is it about that family? Because I've had numerous people and they sponsor my podcast, so I do their.
- [55:39]
B
Ads on my podcast, too. And I'm like, out there talking shit. They just renewed it for 2025.
- [55:45]
A
I was asked to.
- [55:47]
B
If you want me to just keep talking shit, I will.
- [55:49]
A
No, I love it. So. I love that, you know. You know, I think it's cool that they just don't care. They're like, you know what? We're going to fudgeing. Just sponsor the podcast. I know, I know there's a lot of people who have sat on my couch that have different. Different stories, but the same scenarios with this family.
- [56:03]
B
Yeah.
- [56:03]
A
It comes to a point where it's like some of it can't be made up.
- [56:08]
B
No. I mean, I think the thing is, I feel like we're living in this time right now where karma is, like, really playing a role and people are being held accountable on a big scale.
- [56:18]
A
Yes.
- [56:19]
B
And I am here for that. I love that. And, you know, mine really stems from God again. I mean, this is. I was probably, like, 22, 21 or 22. And, well, I had known Scott Disick. Same thing, same group of friends. We were always buddies.
- [56:36]
A
You were with Brody Jenner, weren't you?
- [56:38]
B
I dated Brody. Brody was my first boyfriend in la. That's how. So, yeah, it was all that. That group of people. And Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I fucking loved Courtney. We were really good friends.
- [56:50]
A
I could see you guys being. Oh, like, you guys are kind of like the same person.
- [56:53]
B
Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And they broke up, and I was doing something in Vegas, actually, and I went with a bunch of my guy friends. Scott happened to be one of the guys that came again. We were always just friends. Well, he was devastated about Courtney. And the next morning, we all went out, we had a good time. I was never even alone with Scott.
- [57:13]
A
He was devastated about Courtney, but fumbled the ball how many times?
- [57:16]
B
Well, exactly.
- [57:17]
A
I mean, men are always, like, the victim.
- [57:20]
B
Always the fucking victim.
- [57:21]
A
Always the victim.
- [57:22]
B
Like, maybe if you got your shit together, it would be a different story, But. So the next morning, it was on, like, Page Six or something that Scott and I had Hooked up. And I was like, what in the motherfuck? And my friend Stu was like, I know for a fact that was Scott who told them that, planted that to try to make Courtney jealous. Well, what do you know? That's in fact, what happened. Courtney was really upset about it. And I remember being on the phone with Courtney, being like, courtney, you know that that's not true. I would never fucking touch Scott. And I don't know. She was like, well, I don't know. I just know I have sisters, and I would never put myself in that.
- [57:54]
A
Situation her sisters have allegedly been with.
- [57:58]
B
Right. You know, okay. And then. So they did end up getting back together. And we, you know, we stopped talking, but. But I am like, Scott must have said it was true or something, because all it would have taken was for Scott to be like, that's not true. And that was my issue, too, because this was on the COVID of every fucking tabloid. And I remember doing an interview again before social media. So it's not like you can go on and defend yourself and, like, clear your name. Yeah. So I remember doing an interview being like, that's not true. And all it would take is one of the Kardashians to be like, that's not true, for it to go away. But they wouldn't do that. And that's the part that pisses me off, is like, they. I think they have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.
- [58:39]
A
They don't really defend themselves either.
- [58:41]
B
I guess they kind of don't do that.
- [58:43]
A
Yeah. Like, there's sometimes that there's accusations coming out about them, and I'm waiting for one of them to speak up, and they never say a word.
- [58:49]
B
Well, I think, you know, talk about what we said earlier. They're in the camp of all press is good press for sure. Where I'm like, no, this is my fucking reputation and my name. I'm like, I didn't. I have an issue when something is so not true. If something comes out and it's true, I'm.
- [59:03]
A
Questions your integrity.
- [59:04]
B
Yeah. But I'm like, I didn't fucking do that.
- [59:07]
A
So that explains why you were so mad when Scott reached back out to you.
- [59:11]
B
So I go on my podcast and just was talking shit about the Kardashians. Like, nothing in particular, but just talking shit. And then Scott Disick, DMs me after fucking 15 years or something, is like, I miss you. We should hang out. Just felt so calculated to me. And this is what the Kardashians and a lot of people in Hollywood do is when you're out there talking shit, they want to shut you up. So it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And I don't play that game. It's so fake to me.
- [59:39]
A
Do you feel like Scott is still under control of that family?
- [59:41]
B
Thousand percent. Okay. Okay. I think so.
- [59:44]
A
I feel like he's such a loose. He's like a loose. Yeah.
- [59:48]
B
Like, he is for sure. But I think at the end of the day, they definitely can kind of control.
- [59:53]
A
They run the men in their lives, that's for sure. Yeah.
- [59:55]
B
Yeah, they do. Poor Rob.
- [59:57]
A
Poor Rob has, like, disappeared. He's an obscurity.
- [60:00]
B
I was on Dancing with the Stars with him. He's the sweetest, but he's kind of. Yeah. Where is Rob? Yeah, is Rob okay? Yeah.
- [60:08]
A
Rob. Rob, do the red. What is it? What is it that Britney Spears does? The yellow rose. Post a yellow rose if you need help.
- [60:16]
B
I know.
- [60:17]
A
All that estrogen, too. That's gotta be just.
- [60:20]
B
Yeah.
- [60:21]
A
So moving on from your beef with the Kardashians, because it's really not even beef. I think I feel like it's legit. Like your feelings are hurt and Courtney should have been a better friend to know that you would not do that.
- [60:30]
B
Well, and it's. I honestly. I don't even really give a fudge, to be honest with you. But it's just that the fact that Scott was trying to slide into my. My DMs, I was like, fuck off.
- [60:38]
A
Yeah. You're like. You're like, look, an elephant never forgets. And I remember. Remember everything.
- [60:42]
B
Exactly. And you don't want to fuck with someone who has a weekly podcast.
- [60:45]
A
Yeah.
- [60:46]
B
You know that, like, I'll come out and say whatever. I'm also a loose cannon.
- [60:49]
A
Let's talk. Let's talk about your podcast really quick. What is the name of your podcast? So people want to listen to it?
- [60:55]
B
Let's be honest. Yeah, it's, you know, wherever you get your podcast. Yeah. But it's. And it's a mix, you know, that's what I love, is having creative freedom with, you know, uncommon James and the podcast to talk about whatever I want to talk about. I mean, you get that if one week I want to talk about, you know, Scott Disick sliding into my DMs or interview a neurosurgeon.
- [61:13]
A
Yeah.
- [61:14]
B
You know, like, I have that freedom, which is really great and keeps it exciting for me.
- [61:17]
A
I admire the fact that you can do podcasts by yourself.
- [61:20]
B
I have. Do you never do them? No, I Haven't so good at that.
- [61:24]
A
I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk that much.
- [61:26]
B
Oh, that is not true. You would be so good at it.
- [61:28]
A
I'll just be sitting here talking. I would probably.
- [61:30]
B
They'd be like.
- [61:31]
A
By the time I got done, they'd be like, does she have five personalities? Because she literally made herself laugh and she couldn't stop laughing, and then she got pissed off. Like, what just happened?
- [61:38]
B
Like, it is. It's weird.
- [61:40]
A
It might be bad for me.
- [61:43]
B
I remember when I started doing them, I was like, this is the most unnatural, awkward thing on the planet. I'm just talking to myself. Like, it's weird, but it's a. It's a muscle. You. You would be so good at it, Bonnie. I feel like you should try it.
- [61:54]
A
I don't know. Listen, if you guys see me talking to myself, it's because Kristen told me to do it. So let's talk about the Montana boy.
- [62:02]
B
Okay.
- [62:03]
A
Okay. Because, listen, I was fucking rooting for you, dude.
- [62:06]
B
You were so cute on TikTok.
- [62:08]
A
I was Ro. Because I was like, let's live, bro. Thank you.
- [62:13]
B
I know.
- [62:14]
A
What was the age difference?
- [62:15]
B
13 years.
- [62:16]
A
I mean, it's not terrible.
- [62:18]
B
I mean, you know, the thing is, I will stand by this. I still think age is just a number. And it was so interesting for me to see how up in arms people were because I was older and I'm the woman compared to how it is for men.
- [62:34]
A
But Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher got away with it, and they were the cutest thing ever.
- [62:37]
B
Well, and there's so many people talk about Jason Statham. I think he's like 20 something years older than Rosie. I mean, like, there are so many relationships out there and people don't bat an eye, but when a girl does it, that really pissed me off. I was like, what the fuck? Also, it's not like. I don't know. I think so. Okay. Actually, here's my real opinion on it. This is what I think. I don't think people give a shit that I'm dating, that I was dating someone younger. I think it's that. That I can do whatever the fuck I want in my life. I'm out there doing what I want, and a lot of people can't do that. And that's what's triggering for people.
- [63:12]
A
Amen.
- [63:12]
B
Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating for me to see that whole thing, to see the reaction. Yeah.
- [63:19]
A
How did you guys meet? How did that come about? Did you see him on TikTok? And you were like, I want that one.
- [63:24]
B
Okay. Yeah. Literally, I saw him on TikTok and I was like, fuck, he's so hot. But like, okay, that was that. And then like, a couple months later, he DMed me on Instagram and I was like, what the fuck?
- [63:35]
A
You manifested that?
- [63:36]
B
I literally did.
- [63:38]
A
Yeah.
- [63:39]
B
And then found out they were moving to Nashville. And I was like, well, fuck, if this isn't meant to be.
- [63:45]
A
Yeah. You're like, I mean, I just. I need to welcome him.
- [63:49]
B
I needed that fuck buddy. I was like, oh, it's not Morgan.
- [63:52]
A
And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's gonna be good.
- [63:55]
B
There you go.
- [63:56]
A
Yeah. So how was you guys relationship? If you could, like, sum it up in a nutshell?
- [64:01]
B
It was great, honestly. I mean, um, we did have a real connection. I don't want to minimize that at all. He's a really good guy. It was a beautiful relationship. I. You know, I have nothing bad to say. It was fun until it wasn't. You know, it was like. It just. I felt the age difference. Like, no, no shit. No shock. Like, of course. And I get that, you know, everyone's like, oh, I fucking knew it. It's like, okay, but. But we all knew it was fun. I was having fun.
- [64:32]
A
It's called a fling for a reason.
- [64:34]
B
Exactly. Like, am I supposed to marry everyone I date? Like, I don't understand. I was having fun. And I think people forget that the last five years have been my dating era. Like, I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when I was 23. I never was able to date and figure out exactly what I want and, like, figure out myself through dating. And so that's what I've been doing the last five years. And. And that was really fun for me. It like, sort of.
- [64:58]
A
It was a distraction too.
- [65:00]
B
It was a distraction. It was really easy. It just sort of naturally fit into my life. I said this on my podcast, but, you know, it's maybe selfish looking back, but I didn't really have to bend for him. In a lot of ways, he just kind of fit into my life and with where I'm at in my life, that was really. It was perfect.
- [65:17]
A
What you needed.
- [65:17]
B
It was what I needed. And, yeah, but Mark's a great guy, and I have.
- [65:22]
A
I never even knew his name. I just know him as Montana Boy.
- [65:24]
B
I love you.
- [65:26]
A
That's Montana. Montana boy.
- [65:27]
B
The Montana.
- [65:28]
A
Anybody that talks to me about it is like, yeah, her and the Montana boy.
- [65:31]
B
I know.
- [65:32]
A
Did you. Did you ever look around when you were with him and just be like, maybe, and this is not a diss to him at all. It's just, maybe this is too small for me because, you know, you do have such a lore and like, you're an icon and not saying that he's. He, he won't be, but I mean, all he has right now is the shirtless Tick Tock videos.
- [65:50]
B
Yeah. And it's. I think it's a combination of.
- [65:53]
A
Yeah, I mean, that's not me being mean. I'm just trying to keep it real. He's beautiful.
- [65:59]
B
I think. You know, I think when you are young and you don't have life experience coupled with maybe not a lot going on in your life.
- [66:07]
A
Right.
- [66:08]
B
There's not a lot to talk about. There's not a lot to bring to the table.
- [66:12]
A
They're just pretty to look at, which.
- [66:14]
B
Can go for a minute, you know. That'll get you through for a minute.
- [66:17]
A
No, I get it.
- [66:18]
B
Until it won't.
- [66:19]
A
Yeah.
- [66:20]
B
And so, yes, I, I came out of it and was craving real depth and emotional intimacy.
- [66:31]
A
Intimacy, you know, seduce my mind and then you can have my body. That's what I always say.
- [66:36]
B
Yeah. So now I'm like, really, like in that mode of like, I want to learn something from a man. I want to like, you know, like daddy.
- [66:43]
A
Yeah, I love that.
- [66:45]
B
But this, but that's what I'm saying. Like, like it's fun. Like this whole journey that I'm on is really fun. And it's the evolution of me and I'm figuring it out. And I love that. Like, I had that as part of my overall story. Like, fuck, yeah, I dated a 24 year old.
- [66:59]
A
Was he ever insecure with like, what he had going on and then what you had going on. Did that ever become an issue with you guys?
- [67:05]
B
I mean, we have to remember too, we only dated for like seven months. So I think. But no, I don't, I don't think that was an insecurity for him. Listen, I think he was sort of along for the ride. Like, he was just like happy as.
- [67:20]
A
He'S like, I'm fucking Kristen Cavallari.
- [67:22]
B
He was like, very, you can't tell.
- [67:24]
A
Me shit, kind of, you know.
- [67:27]
B
So, no, I don't think that was an issue.
- [67:29]
A
Was he sad when you guys broke up?
- [67:31]
B
Yeah, it was, it was really hard. It was really hard. And it, it crushed me, quite honestly, because I knew I was breaking his heart. And so. Yes. And actually it's been one of the harder breakups for me in the sense where like, normally I'm like, I'm done. Great. I'm moving on. I never even think about the guy again. But I think I've had a lot of guilt about it, and I feel really bad.
- [67:55]
A
Cause he's so sweet.
- [67:56]
B
He's so sweet. He really is so sweet. And. Yeah, so that's been. It's been hard for me to, like, let it go. And we've stayed in touch, too, and I think that probably makes it harder as well.
- [68:07]
A
Would you give it another old wraparound? No wraparound.
- [68:10]
B
As much as I love, you know, getting between the sheets with him.
- [68:15]
A
Look at her. She's all flavored. And her neck, she's so excited.
- [68:19]
B
No, I have to just close that door.
- [68:21]
A
She's like, no, I'm fucking healing, all right?
- [68:23]
B
I'm trying to heal in our healing process. No, I actually. I'm kind of dating someone else now.
- [68:28]
A
Can we know who it is?
- [68:30]
B
I'm not going to say who it is. And it's really new.
- [68:32]
A
But is he in the spotlight also?
- [68:35]
B
He is a retired athlete, which I will tell you.
- [68:38]
A
You love the athletes. Fuck.
- [68:40]
B
They love me, I think.
- [68:41]
A
Yeah.
- [68:42]
B
They always find me.
- [68:43]
A
I love that.
- [68:44]
B
But he's.
- [68:45]
A
You're a wag.
- [68:46]
B
So I'm a fucking wag through and through. He's such a good guy, and he really. It's new, but he checks all the boxes where I'm like, fuck, this is what I've been needing.
- [68:56]
A
Yeah.
- [68:57]
B
So we'll see. We'll see. He's coming in a couple days to stay with me.
- [68:59]
A
Tell us who it is, and we'll bleep the name out.
- [69:02]
B
Okay. Bleep it out.
- [69:04]
A
Okay. I don't know who it is.
- [69:05]
B
Yeah, he's. He wasn't like, a big. Well, I don't know. I don't know, because I don't know athletes really that much. But, yeah, he retired a couple years ago, and he has so much depth, and I just, like, love talking.
- [69:15]
A
Is he older?
- [69:16]
B
He's 40.
- [69:17]
A
Good.
- [69:17]
B
Yeah. He has kids, so. Yeah. We connect on so many different levels, which is awesome.
- [69:22]
A
Is he cute? Mimi's over there.
- [69:25]
B
I'm gonna show there.
- [69:26]
A
Googling.
- [69:26]
B
Yes. But let me show you, like, real photos of him. Not, like, sweaty, sweaty hockey ones. The athletes never look good in their, like. Yeah. Their photos online. I'm always like, get them in, like, real, real life, and they're so much better.
- [69:41]
A
No, that's how I felt about. What was that one? Raiders. The fire crotch. Yeah. He was so damn fine. I told my husband, I think his last. Max Crosby. I was like, we Saw him at a game, and I was like, who's this? And I said, baby, my new. My. I text my husband. I go, my new favorite number is, I think 98. That was his number. And he goes, oh, you're a Max Crosby girl. I love it. My husband was like, go, baby, go.
- [70:04]
B
See, that's such a good relationship when you're just confident and secure. Like, the fact that you can say that to him. I feel like all my ex boyfriends would be like, what? Oh, my God, are you gonna leave me for him? You know what I mean? Like, that energy and.
- [70:15]
A
Yep, I've been in relationships like that, and I refuse.
- [70:18]
B
I won't do it again.
- [70:19]
A
It took me a long time when I got with Jay to really understand the non. Jealousy, because I came from such jealous relationships. And I used to get upset with him. I'm writing about this in my book, actually. And I used to get kind of upset with him. Him, like, do you not love me? Like, why aren't you, like, fighting for me? Fight over me? You know? But I realized that's the toxicity in me that wanted that in him, and he never. He never rose to that occasion. And now I'm just like, God, I couldn't imagine being with a jealous human like that.
- [70:47]
B
Like, I'll never do that again.
- [70:49]
A
Never, never, never, never.
- [70:50]
B
I love that for you. That's so nice.
- [70:52]
A
You. You're gonna find it too. I know you're too much of a beautiful woman to not have somebody see how special you are.
- [70:58]
B
Thank you.
- [70:59]
A
Yeah, it's coming, baby. I can feel. Feel it.
- [71:01]
B
Yeah, me too.
- [71:01]
A
Let's talk about this home invasion that you were just like. You just recently started talking about it.
- [71:07]
B
Yeah, I haven't talked about it because, honestly, my kids still don't know. And even when I talked about it on my podcast and it kind of, you know, hit the media and stuff, I was sort of sitting there like, is my oldest gonna say something to me? Because my.
- [71:19]
A
He's on.
- [71:20]
B
He has all the things, you know, and my boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me, so I was like, all right, hopefully. Hopefully, he dodged that bullet.
- [71:27]
A
Yeah, we won't clip this.
- [71:29]
B
Yeah, don't clip this.
- [71:30]
A
We won't.
- [71:31]
B
So it was actually. It was during 2020, so we were in the Bahamas for spring break, and we ended up being there for a month because it was when Covid hit, and I had all my Uncommon James jewelry laid out in my closet. And earlier in the day, our H VAC unit broke, so we had Workers in the house fixing it. And. Okay, so Camden, my oldest, and I, who this is almost five years ago, so he was like, what, six or seven? Don't make me do math on the spot. But he was sleeping with me that night. So we went to bed early. So I had no idea where anyone else was in the house. And I woke up to the door was opening, and the light from the kitchen woke me up. And I was so out of it. I honestly thought it was Jay. And thank God, because I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I go, what the fuck are you doing? And though this guy is like, oh, fuck. Stands up, runs out. And I was like, hole. Fuck. He had a ski mask on. Long black sleeves, black pants, like, the whole nine.
- [72:32]
A
Like, while you're sleeping, sleeping with my.
- [72:34]
B
Fucking baby in bed with me. So I think because, well, so then I'm like, holy fuck. But I didn't want to wake up Camden. So your instincts just kick in. But I'm like, fuck, I have to go out in this house and figure this out. I have no idea where he is or where Jay is or the kids or whatever. So I grab my phone, I text Jay. I'm like, are you awake? No response. Because it's like 1am so I'm like, fuck. I go out in the house, house, and I'm just, like, looking around. I go in another bedroom. No one's there. I go upstairs. Finally, I find Jay. As soon as I woke up, Jay, I got really nervous. Like, before that. I was like a fucking Navy seal. Just like, going, like, your instincts.
- [73:10]
A
Mama bear mode.
- [73:11]
B
Yeah, your instincts just kick in. And then once Jay woke up, I was, like, shaking, and I got so scared. Long story short, it was one of the H VAC unit guys. He took all the cash that we had in a backpack, but we got it back. It was like, a guy that worked at the resort that we were at.
- [73:24]
A
And you wanted to go to the Bahamas was.
- [73:27]
B
I know. You know, what's up? I've been back to that resort since.
- [73:32]
A
Like, yolo. Can't. Yeah. I love that, though. You're like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and just face it head on. Face your fears. Yeah.
- [73:41]
B
And, you know. Yeah. And I. So that's like, one of those things that I won't tell my kids that until they're older, but unless, you know, I keep talking about it and they find out.
- [73:48]
A
But it's crazy that you don't have fear from that, you know, because, like. Like, that's. That's scary. You get a PTSD from that.
- [73:55]
B
I know. I'll tell you what, I don't know. I think even living in LA and stuff, I used to be so scared living in this little house that I had in West Hollywood. You know, you're on top of your neighbor, the whole thing. But living out here, I'm like 20 minutes from here in the middle of nowhere. I'm on 130 acres. I feel so safe, like, so safe again. It's just at peace and it's just a good feeling. I don't know. Yeah, I feel. I've got German shepherds, I've got a gun, I've got the whole thing. So it's like I just.
- [74:19]
A
She said I'm strapped with dogs.
- [74:22]
B
Don't get it twisted. But I just. Yeah, I feel really, really safe out here.
- [74:26]
A
I love that.
- [74:27]
B
Yeah, it's a good feeling.
- [74:28]
A
What does 2025 have in store for you?
- [74:31]
B
It's a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at. I used to be such a planner and be like, I need to do X, Y and Z this year. And I've gotten into this more of a headspace of just like letting life unfold. And that's not to say I don't have goals. You know, I'm going on a podcast tour. Like, there are really fun things happening, but I'm just kind of like letting it all happen. Yeah. So I don't. I don't know, whatever.
- [74:56]
A
Whatever happens, happens.
- [74:57]
B
Yeah.
- [74:57]
A
Just letting the universe just come to you freely.
- [75:00]
B
Yeah, I love that. Thanks.
- [75:02]
A
Yeah, I love where you're at in life. I love the space that you're in. I feel like you've fought to be here and it's, you know, something to be proud of.
- [75:08]
B
Thank you. Appreciate that.
- [75:10]
A
A lot of people don't figure it out and a lot of people, you know, victimize themselves or they, you know, wallow and self pity. And you're just out here being like, you know what? This has happened. I did this. I did this. I take take accountability and I'm moving the on.
- [75:24]
B
Well, because there's no growth in the victim mentality, you know, so, yeah, you got to take, take charge of your life. Like, that's what I would tell people. Take your life in your own hands and do the damn thing.
- [75:34]
A
I love it. Yeah, I'm gonna be doing that with you in 2025. I'm planning like a birthday trip for me and I never do that, but I'm like, it's the first Time I've celebrated my birthday and I can't even. Yeah, she was shook, but. And I want to go. But I want to go out of the country. And so, like, this year, I'm just kind of like, I have worked my ass off my whole life. I just want to kind of have fun this year. I might even drink some alcohol. All right. And I. I've been sober since 2017, you know, so I'm like, look at Haley. Hey, I got. I drank a beer with Haley one night.
- [76:03]
B
Are you sober? Sober. You? California sober?
- [76:05]
A
No, I'm sober sober.
- [76:06]
B
Amazing.
- [76:07]
A
I white knuckle through life, baby. Yeah, no, it's. It's brutal. It's brutal. But I had to. I had to do it for my spiritual and, you know, emotional healing that I had to go through.
- [76:18]
B
I get it.
- [76:19]
A
When I hit 40, now I'm about to be 45, so I'm like, you know what? I've done the work.
- [76:23]
B
Yeah.
- [76:23]
A
Let me just have fun.
- [76:24]
B
There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should go have some fun.
- [76:28]
A
No, that's why I understand where you're at, too, just letting things happen.
- [76:31]
B
So, yeah, I love it.
- [76:32]
A
Thank you for coming on the podcast. I appreciate you being here.
- [76:36]
B
I appreciate you so much.
- [76:37]
A
We actually get to end the season with Kristen, right?
- [76:39]
B
Oh, hell, yeah.
- [76:39]
A
Yeah.
- [76:40]
B
So you're.
- [76:40]
A
You're like our season finale, baby.
- [76:42]
B
Yeah.
- [76:42]
A
It's going out with a bang.
- [76:44]
B
Yes. Well, thank you. Thank you.
- [76:46]
A
And tell people where they can find you if they don't know.
- [76:48]
B
So just Kristen Cavallari, Instagram on and Tick Tock. And then, let's be honest, my podcast, every Tuesday. Yeah.
- [76:54]
A
Yeah, you guys go check her out. You'll fall in love with her just like I did.
- [76:58]
B
I love you.
- [76:58]
A
20. What is it in 2020-2006-2004-2004.
- [77:04]
B
God, 20 years.
- [77:06]
A
20 years ago.
- [77:07]
B
Yeah. Wild. Makes me feel old, but insane.
- [77:10]
A
Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next season in.
- [77:15]
B
Bye.