Religious Trauma, Addiction, Betrayal — Pastor Kim Tells All

Summary

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Dumb Blonde Podcast

Episode: "Religious Trauma, Addiction, Betrayal — Pastor Kim Tells All"

Date: May 14, 2026
Host: Bunnie XO
Guest: Pastor Kimberly Jones ("Real Talk Kim"), with special appearance by husband Angelo

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Episode Overview

This powerful episode features an unguarded conversation between Bunnie XO and Pastor Kimberly Jones (Real Talk Kim), diving into the complexities of religious trauma, cycles of addiction and betrayal, and the process of healing and transformation. The episode traces Kim’s tumultuous upbringing in the Pentecostal church, her struggles in adult relationships, battles with addiction and abuse, and her eventual journey to find redemption, purpose, and love. Special focus is given to the tension of being a non-traditional woman leader in faith, stories of surviving and overcoming, and how love (both divine and romantic) changed the game for her.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Similar Upbringings and Attraction to the Conversation

[03:46-07:13]

• Bunnie XO expresses excitement about having her “first pastor” on the show, highlighting her goal to bring diverse perspectives beyond what the church typically offers.
• Both women bond over their strict Pentecostal upbringings, traumatic family dynamics, and rebellious responses to childhood oppression.
• Bunnie attributes her interest in inviting Kim to her fiery, relatable approach, contrasting with traditional, "modest" women preachers.

Notable Quotes:

• “I’ve had psychics on here... but never sat down with a woman of the Word.” – Bunnie XO [03:54]
• "Why waste my hell? Tea for them is testimony for you always." – Bunnie XO [06:56]

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2. Religious Trauma and Childhood Rebellion

[07:47-17:21]

• Kim recounts her early life in a “cult-like” Pentecostal church, describing the suffocating rules imposed on women and constant fear-based manipulation.
• She reveals anger at her mother's subservience and rejection of a faith that appeared joyless and hypocritical. Severe anxiety and panic attacks as a result.
• Both agree that their upbringing led to responses ranging from rebellion to deep-seated trauma.

Memorable Moment:

• Kim shares testing her mom’s belief in the “one-eyed demon” (TV):

  "I'd go sit in front of the TV to see if the demon was going to come out... I was always testing those waters." – Kim [13:12]

Notable Quote:

• “If going to heaven means I gotta go with the most judgmental, angry, hateful, hypocritical people, then I don't even care if I don't go. Take me to hell.” – Kim [16:03]

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3. Teenage Years and Generational Patterns

[17:21-28:23]

• Kim discusses her first marriage at 18 (influenced by religious pressure and a lack of other options), quick divorce, and realization that many of her adult choices were motivated by childhood conditioning.
• Bunnie and Kim compare stories of teenage rebellion, family dysfunction, and acknowledging generational cycles—such as multiple marriages in both family lines.
• Both voice the normalization and shame around divorce/repeated marriages in faith communities:

  "Why wouldn't you talk about it? It's part of your story." – Bunnie XO [28:04]

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4. Addiction, Party Life & Hitting Rock Bottom

[43:23-54:10]

• After faith-based disillusionment and church hurt, Kim describes how she and her then-husband slipped into party culture, drug use, and turmoil.
• She shares candid stories of codependency, depression, and how addiction and rage became the norm:

  “Sin will take you further than you want to go, cost you more than you want to pay, and keep you longer than you want to stay.” – Kim [52:42]

• Despite her struggles, Kim acknowledges always being a “protector” of others (even as a designated driver for other unruly youth).

Notable Quote:

• “Because you can't be raised in church and know God and not feel in your deepest, darkest hungover... have some conviction.” – Bunnie XO [53:26]

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5. Turning Point: Loss, Surrender, and Creative Survival

[54:10-62:17]

• Kim details leaving her marriage for good after repeated attempts to save it/failing to recover her husband from addiction. Her family’s support, the emotional cost on her children, and abruptly moving back in with her parents.
• Discusses the difficulty of healing where you were hurt:

  “I don't believe you can heal where you got killed, you know, or left for dead.” – Kim [48:15]

• Reinvents herself as an interior designer (with no formal training), building a company out of necessity and creative hustle.

Turning Point:

• Divine “full circle” moment when the family’s house, feared to be lost, is miraculously purchased by an investor at the last minute:

  "It was like God at that moment started showing me glimpses of him." – Kim [60:10]

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6. Rock Bottom, Forgiveness, and Finding Her Voice

[67:11-84:55]

• Kim candidly shares struggling with depression, working in cosmetics (Estee Lauder), and the humbling journey out of victimhood.
• She describes “talking back to God,” experiencing grief over rejection, and learning the necessity of forgiving herself and others—even praying for exes (“God, kill him with a train”).
• Her viral videos (originally filmed for self-encouragement on the roadside) mark the beginning of her ministry and online persona “Real Talk Kim.”

Memorable Moment:

• “I heard, I can't take [the pain] away from you. You got to get up and walk away from it.” – Kim (on hearing from God directly) [68:48]

Notable Quotes:

• “The love of God... it’s loving people where they are and being there for them and letting Jesus clean them up.” – Kim [83:21]
• “If I can’t preach in a church, I can preach on the side of the road.” – Kim [82:24]

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7. Calling to Preach and Breaking the Mold

[85:01-95:27]

• Kim describes her first sermon, marked by rebellion against church tradition—entering wearing a tutu and combat boots to cope with terror at stepping onto the stage.
• Her authenticity and unconventional style set her apart, and she becomes known for ministering to the “1 left behind.”
• Addresses criticism for being a woman pastor, her social media evolution, and remaining true to herself despite pushback.

Memorable Quotes:

• “Even if the pain you’re feeling isn’t your fault, the healing still is.” – Kim [87:37]
• “Healing looks like this... I know I’m worth fighting for.” – Kim [85:57]

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8. Toxic Relationships and Final Breakthroughs

[95:38-108:13]

• Kim recounts her disastrous third marriage—rushed into via DMs, fraught with emotional cruelty, jealousy, and public betrayal.
• Shares the final straw: her then-husband’s infidelity exposed (via followers), his use of her platform/following, and her eventual courage to cut him loose.
• She reflects on the biblical complexity of divorce, especially as a faith leader, and fiercely advocates for leaving situations that destroy one’s spirit:

  “God doesn’t expect you to stay in a relationship where you’re killing each other.” – Kim [105:31]

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9. Restoration: New Love, Ministry, and Transformation

[109:14-136:50]

• Post-divorce, Kim steps into calling as lead pastor of Limitless Church, launching a new phase spiritually, emotionally, and physically (losing weight, “glowing up,” deepening her relationship with her mother).
• She meets and falls for Angelo—her “alpha male,” best friend, and safe place. Their chemistry and mutual upliftment is palpable as the episode brings him on-air for the final segment.
• Their love story (meeting at a restaurant, navigating first dates, dancing around her ministry identity, supporting each other’s evolution) demonstrates the rewards of finding self-worth and being unafraid to start new chapters.

Notable Moments:

• Angelo’s first impression: “I was attracted to the voice... and then I see the patch on her Gucci jacket. White girl got a little style.” – Angelo [116:20]
• Kim: “I never dated a Black man in my life... all of a sudden I see this Black man. Like, yes, I thought of him.” [118:05]
• Mom’s advice: “Let this man be him. Don’t you try to change this man.” [127:50]
• “Now he’s running the church three years later.” – Kim [128:13]

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10. Final Messages and Resources

[135:33-end]

• Kim emphasizes hope, redemption, and God’s ability to use anyone, regardless of past mistakes.
• She shouts out her church, Limitless (Fayetteville, GA), virtual services, and books—all themed around getting “unstuck.”
• The couple discusses the importance of letting your partner be themselves and consistently outgrowing who you used to be.
• Bunnie expresses desire for a Part 2, focusing more on Kim’s early childhood and further lessons on healing, showing that the conversation is far from over.

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Notable Quotes (With Timestamps)

• "Why waste my hell? Tea for them is testimony for you always." — Bunnie XO [06:56]
• "If going to heaven means I gotta go with the most judgmental, angry, hateful, hypocritical people, then I don't even care if I don't go. Take me to hell." — Kim [16:03]
• "Sin will take you further than you want to go, cost you more than you want to pay, and keep you longer than you want to stay." — Kim [52:42]
• “The love of God... it’s loving people where they are and being there for them and letting Jesus clean them up.” — Kim [83:21]
• “Even if the pain you’re feeling isn’t your fault, the healing still is.” — Kim [87:37]
• “God doesn’t expect you to stay in a relationship where you’re killing each other.” — Kim [105:31]
• “Healing looks like this... I know I’m worth fighting for.” — Kim [85:57]
• “Let this man be him. Don’t you try to change this man... You let this man just see where it goes.” — Kim’s mother [127:50]
• "I never talk about this because… there was just so much. But I definitely would talk about it." — Kim [134:42]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:46-07:13 — Introduction, why Kim was invited, shared backgrounds
• 07:47-17:21 — Early childhood, religious trauma, and rebellion
• 28:23-43:23 — Pattern of marriages, shame cycles, and public perception
• 43:23-54:10 — Addiction, partying, and losing oneself
• 54:10-62:17 — Leaving abusive marriage, moving home, making a fresh start
• 67:11-84:55 — Forgiveness, viral videos, and Kim’s spiritual awakening
• 85:01-95:27 — Gaining confidence to preach, first church experiences, non-traditional style
• 95:38-108:13 — The destructive third marriage, public infidelity, finding courage to divorce
• 109:14-136:50 — Meeting Angelo, evolving in love and leadership, healing relationships, final encouragements and church plugs

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Closing Tone & Takeaways

The episode is raw, humorous, courageous, and hope-filled, embodying Kim’s “real talk” approach and Bunnie’s unfiltered, empathetic curiosity. Listeners are left with a sense that no trauma is too deep, no mistake too great, and no journey too winding for God—or oneself—to bring about restoration. The importance of vulnerability, loving outside of judgment, and refusing to be defined by others are resounding themes.

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Find Kim Online:

• Church: Limitless Church, Fayetteville, GA (Livestream Sundays 10am & 11:30am EST)
• YouTube/Podcast/Store: realtalkkim.com
• Books: Seven bestselling books on healing and personal growth

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For anyone struggling with religious trauma, addiction, or shame about their past, Pastor Kim’s journey is living proof that it’s not too late to heal, change, and return to yourself—with a whole lot more love, sass, and real talk along the way.

Transcript

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[B]

Baby, I'm so honored to be here.

[A]

I was just telling you a second ago that you are my first pastor.

[B]

I am shook.

[A]

I have had psychics on here. I have had. I'm talking like every. I have had health nuts. I have had everybody. But I have never sat down with a woman of the word.

[B]

What made you want to do that?

[A]

You know, so I. When I first started this podcast, my two top people that I wanted on my podcast was Dolly Parton and Joyce Meyers. I am a huge Joyce Meyers fanatic. Crazy, right? Everybody think so. I grew up in a really strict Southern Pentecost. Pentecostal home.

[B]

No.

[A]

I went to Christian school. I went to Bible camps. I. I mean, like, it's crazy with my background that I came, but long story short, my father was a rocker, mom was a stripper, mom left me at three months. Dad, Mary married, cheated on the mom, my stepmom, and then had to like, you know, get into religion to prove that he was gonna be able to make it in the marriage or whatever. And then we became like a cult. So it was crazy. So I say all that to say that when I wanted Joyce Meyers on. She is the only woman pastor that I would ever listen to because I'm always so scared of who you invite into your life. And in the past year I started listening to you because I did see one of your reels on I think it was either Facebook or Instagram. And I was like, who is this woman? Because she talks just like me. She's sassy and she has so much fire, which is like, I love Joyce, but she's, you know, for the older generation, she's very modest, you know, And I was like, I love this because this woman speaks my language. And then I just started diving into you, and I was like, I need this woman on the podcast.

[B]

Oh, my gosh, Bunny, I'm so excited. That does so much to my heart. Because, you know, being a woman pastor, it's. I. I get a lot of flack from even the church world, you know, because I'm in their face and, you know, but I'm. I'm not judgmental. And they want me to be judgmental.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They want me to send people to hell and just. And because I don't. To hear that God has allowed me to be used. And it is. I mean, I'm. I. This. This is the greatest honor ever for me. This is exactly what I want. No, I don't want to be in a church doing that stuff. I want to be right here.

[A]

Yeah. No, And I love that. And I love that you are so non judgmental, because I base my entire platform on not judging anybody.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I have been persecuted.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, because I want to. I just want to show everybody in the world that no matter how terrible of a human you might be to the world, you're still. You still deserve love. And that's what you preach, too.

[B]

Well, and, Bunny, you look at God. I mean, you know, I guess because I was raised just like you, and that's so funny.

[A]

Oh, we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about it. Yeah. And we have a lot of similarities, even down to the three marriages. Girl, I didn't even bat an eyelash when I heard that about you. I was like, oh, this is my girl.

[B]

And the church will ask me. They were like, why do you talk about that? Why do you tell that? I'm like, why wouldn't I?

[A]

Yeah. It's part of your story.

[B]

Why waste my hell?

[A]

Tea for them is testimony for you always.

[B]

Well, I was. I was. What was I telling you?

[A]

You. We were talking. I don't even know. I'm just so excited to have you here. We have started this off great.

[B]

I love this so much.

[A]

So, okay, the one thing that everybody zeros in on you is your marriages. And I don't want to do that with you because. And of course we are going to talk about them because it is part of your life. But I truly believe that people are influenced as children to make the decisions that they make as an adult. And anytime I hear an interview with you or I hear you talk about your. Your childhood, you kind of gloss over it and don't really talk in depth about it. I might have missed it somewhere, but I don't really get to hear the, the, like the meat and potatoes of what made you the woman you are that did make these mistakes and that, you know, that you've now learned from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you talked about your mom and your dad being super religious. Can we start there?

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Me on that journey.

[B]

So I remember when I was. I mean, right when I had. Right when my mom had me, we were in Jacksonville, North Carolina. We were preaching a revival. My dad was like this fire preacher. He would like, jump out of balconies and roll and walk on seats and pews and. But he was so, so, so strict. And I just remember, even as a little girl, I know that God knew that at about 43, I was gonna hit rock bottom and find out who the rock is at the bottom. Now. I hit rock bottom a whole bunch.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

But he knew that I'm gonna let her go through all of these things because when she does, she's gonna be a fireball. And we just always. I always felt like women were like, my mom was a wallflower, you know, like, she looked like she was 90 years old. She, me and my brother would try to get her to drop us off three miles down the road from our school because she'd have an oatmeal box with her hair on top of her head because her hair was down to the floor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And my dad looks like he stepped out of gq.

[A]

Yeah, I've heard you say that. And I've also heard you say that your mom was so subservient that it used to make you angry. Why do you think it was that it made you angry that she was so subservient? Because you do have some of those qualities. Like, I see how you wait on Angelo.

[B]

Oh, honey, I never knew I could do this.

[A]

Oh, and we're going to get there. I mean, he's a handsome guy.

[B]

That's my.

[A]

He's got swag. You guys are a good looking couple. We're going to bring Angelo in later. But you. I see with Angelo that you have no problem being subservient to him. So do you think that your mom felt that way about your dad? And can you Understand it more now?

[B]

Absolutely. I think I was mad, you know, I think I was, because all the way back into. I mean, I was United Pentecostal. And the reason I kind of gloss over it a lot is because all my family's still in it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So.

[A]

But I think it's very good to talk about it because I grew up Southern Pentecostal, and it was pretty much yeah. And this is not me in any way putting anybody down who is in the religion currently. But what I experienced from that religion was a. I left it with so much religious trauma. And I'm talking like I had panic attacks my entire life. Be an anxiety disorder, because I was worried if I did the wrong thing that I was going to go to hell.

[B]

He was a main go, wasn't he?

[A]

It's terrible.

[B]

Scared me to death.

[A]

Yeah. And I just don't think that that's right, that they do that. So I think if you did speak on it, I think that that's okay because look at where you are now.

[B]

Now. I do. I do speak on it, but. And when I do, I get dragged, the church world comes after me.

[A]

They're so mean. We actually have gone through it with the church people.

[B]

I have to pray over myself often because I pastored a phenomenal church in Atlanta. Limitless Church is an incredible church, and I love God with all my heart, but I don't like his people a lot of times. And so I just have to pray. I'll call my mom and say, mom, you got to pray for me. Because I want to. I want to. The hood part of me wants to come out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I'm holy, but I'm hood, too. And that rag shit.

[A]

Holy enough to pray for you, hood enough to swing on you, baby.

[B]

So I think what it is is I think that me being raised, I remember going to church. I remember how religious those people were. I remember how less than women were. I remember watching my mother. Literally everything that she ever did was for me and my brother and my dad. It was like us four and no more. And I got angry because I saw my mom. Literally, my dad would be sitting right here, and my dad would just put his glass down on the table, and she'd get up and go run and get his water. And I'd be like, dude, get. You got two hands and two feet. He would never do that. Yeah, Okay. I think that's the difference. Yeah. Is that he.

[A]

He doesn't expect it. And that's why you love to do it, because it's not an expectation.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, no, I respect that because I'm the same way with my husband. And I get dragged all the time. Because you actually said something one time. You said, an alpha woman loves to be submissive for her. Her husband. And I said the same thing. Do you guys remember that? And I got dragged. I stood ten toes down, baby. I was like. I was like, I don't care.

[B]

Even if I'm wrong, I'm still gonna stand 10 toes down.

[A]

I was not. I was going to stand 10 toes down. Because when a man makes you feel safe, man, you want to love them.

[B]

And you're just so thankful.

[A]

So thankful. And you're just like, thank you, Jesus. Where did you come from? You know?

[B]

And you know what? They love you so well.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I didn't really see that. Now I'm not knocking my daddy at all. Like, my daddy, I was his girl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But about 25 years into their marriage, he had an affair. And I remember it just broke my heart. But, but let me go back to seven, seven years old. I remember sitting. We had church every night, for starters. And all the, all the ushers would just spank me because I was always bad. Like, if you're.

[A]

If not the usher spanking you, Kim.

[B]

And I was mad about that. Why are you gonna let. I probably shouldn't say his name.

[A]

Why believe that, Jason?

[B]

Why are you gonna let him take me out? Spank me? But I was just a mad child.

[A]

It was a different time in life, too.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It was just that, that religion. But I remember seven years old, we were in church and I had a lot of trauma. There was already a lot of trauma because I remember coming around the corner in our house and we couldn't. We couldn't wear pants, we couldn't wear makeup. We couldn't go to the racquetball club, we couldn't go to anywhere. It was literally like walking through Sears. My mom would put her hand up like this over my eyes when we walked through the TV section because that one eyed demon is going to get you. And I remember I would always test that. Like, I'd say, I'm going to the bathroom and I'd go sit in front of the TV to see if the demon was going to come out. So I was always testing those waters, you know? And I remember at seven years old, I was laying down under one of the seats like this at our church and I was looking up at my dad and I was watching the choir and my mom was up there just leading the worship choir and all these people were just standing there like this. And I remember thinking, oh, my gosh, they're miserable. They look like they're about to cut their wrist. We're singing about Jesus. This whole church is miserable looking. And if this is what heaven looks like. And God's so mean. Every time we walk in the prayer room, my mother immediately starts rocking back and forth. And within two seconds, she's bawling, just no snot. And I remember thinking, God, you are so mean that my mom even has to cry to get your attention. Oh, my God. At seven years old, when she's a goosebumps seven years old, something shifted in me and it was like I just became angry. I don't care if I go to hell. I don't care if church people don't like me. You can't do that, Kim. And I'm gonna go do exactly what you told me I couldn't do. And so it was almost like the enemy had an assignment, you know, which he does a lot of times, and he'll use people. And I just think I had wounds. I had a lot of wounds. I remember coming home one day and my mother sitting on in the kitchen and my dad was trying to calm her down and she was just screaming. And me and my brother sitting on the stairs and she's screaming, I can't do this anymore. And the church deacons had come over and let them have it because we went to the South Lake racquetball club.

[A]

Because you what?

[B]

Because we went to the racquetball club.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

And so it was just anger. Like my mom was having a nervous breakdown over these church people. And so I think it was just layer after layer after layer after layer. And then it was just a place of, whatever I want to do, I'm going to do it because I don't want to look like that. And if going to heaven means I got to go with them, the most judgmental, angry, hateful, hypocritical people, then I don't want to. I don't even care if I don't go. Take me to hell.

[A]

I couldn't. I relate to everything you're saying so much because I completely went through the same thing, too. I had to wear. I wasn't allowed to wear makeup. Hairspray couldn't curl my hair. I had to wear dresses down to my ankles.

[B]

This is crazy.

[A]

My mom used to sew my damn clothes. And I was in high school. It's all in my book when it comes out. Like it's Crazy. And. But my dad would be hitting women up online to have threesomes. I catch my dad watching porn, you know, like. And I would just be like, this is so. This is such a mind.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As a child to be, you know, have to sit there and cross your, you know, crush your T's and dot your eyes and be holier than thou. But then when you go home, everybody's masks fall off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I would see the same thing going on with everybody in the church. And it used to make me so mad that I got to the same point as you, and I was just like, you know what? God, I don't want to go to heaven. It's too hard. It's not attainable. There's no way that you can get there.

[B]

And it seems. Seems boring. It seems.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, why would I want to go sit with a whole bunch of. I don't do that in my own life.

[A]

Like, Right.

[B]

Why would I want to go. I totally get you.

[A]

As a teenager, how did all this religious trauma affect you? Did it. Did it ever steer you into drugs and alcohol? Or did you start experimenting with things like that as you started?

[B]

Okay, so my 18th birthday, I was dating a boy that. So back in those days, the church had missionaries. And so the missionaries we sponsored. My daddy's church sponsored. They had a son, and they lived in Topek, Mexico. And all I could think about was, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna get away from my parents.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm gonna become a missionary in Topek, Nadori, Mexico. And I'm gonna. Because women. That's what we did. We didn't go to college. You know, you had babies, you got married. I mean, it's just the way we.

[A]

And it's also that generation, too. Like, the women just never had any aspirations to do anything else but be moms, which. There's nothing wrong with that.

[B]

Absolutely.

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It's just not what.

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We love your mom. We love you.

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Shout out to all the moms. But we. It just wasn't in what we wanted.

[B]

Yeah. And so at 18 years old, I remember I graduated, and then I dated this boy for three years, and we were just church kids. And then all of a sudden, I marry him. We had this big old wedding, and my mom says, your wedding lasted longer than your marriage. Because when I got married, I wasn't thinking. I wasn't thinking, oh, my gosh, like, I'm going to go to Tapeak, Mexico. Like, that's 18 hours after the border. I am. I am the girl that in six. At 16 years old, I was my dad and mom gave me my brother's little hooptie and said, here, baby girl, this is your car. I was like, I ain't driving that. And I went to riches and worked for Estee Lauder and bought me a BMW. Like, I. I was high maintenance, but I could handle my high maintenance.

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You did the maintaining.

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Yes. Always, like, selling suckers or something. I was an entrepreneur.

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I always tell everybody I could sell. I could sell freaking ice to an Eskimo. Like, literally. That's exactly.

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I was selling suckers from Shoney's at 7 years old. We'd go eat after church on Sundays, and I feel my little satin bag go to school and sell them and make bank a. I love that.

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I just stole from the offering plate.

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Come on.

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I talked about it on one of the shows one time. Remember? I talked about I took you guys by the church that I stole from.

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You did?

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Yeah. Yeah. And I apologize to G. I apologize to Jesus, and I apologize to the church publicly for doing it. Okay.

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But I love that.

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No, but it just. I feel like when you are so religiously oppressed, especially as a child, it creates so much religious trauma and rebellion.

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Yeah.

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You know, before you got married, though, like, take me through your teenage years. Did you always gloss over that? What was it?

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I wasn't really bad.

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You. It's okay.

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Like, I was. Listen to me. I was bad in. I didn't trust nobody. I didn't let anybody get close to me. It was. I didn't have friends. Like, it was like, I really did have friends. I had a lot of friends. But I believe that because you have such. I was always the DDA, the designated tribe.

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Oh.

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And I remember at 14 years old, I was the DDA for all the. I was on the flag corps and all the flag girl girls and us went out. We'd go out to subway. It was a south way. It was a place we'd all hang out. And so they would always let me drive their cars. Cause their cars were hoopties, and I had no shame. And so at 14 years old, I need to tell more of these stories, because these are funny. At 14 years old, we were backing up and I was. I had no business driving. Like, why are you letting me drive your car?

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Yeah.

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And I'm backing up. And it was. We like the cars. The cars that go boom. We're Tigra and buddy and I just gas and I thought it was in drive, but it was in reverse. And I just nailed, like, brick post box oh, no. And it was like $3,000 worth of damage. And so I don't talk about that a lot because I remember it, like, ruined all my friendship that year. Oh, no, I really didn't do anything bad. I was too busy getting married and, you know, going to Bible school.

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Getting married at 18 is young, too. Like, you're still a baby, but you

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got to remember we didn't come out of United Pentecostal. I was like 16.

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Right, right, right.

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So I was sheltered.

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Right.

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So I was scared to death to drink. Even Seagrams. My brother.

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I was the complete opposite. I was like, oh, I was. Old E was my first. I got drunk off an oldie and a drained out pool. Okay. I was. Listen, let me tell you, wait till this book comes out. The first time I ever got drunk. Old E. Boone's Farm, Ditching like Utah. You read Mad Dog 2020, you name it.

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My brother did everything.

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Oh, so because your brother went the way that I went.

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Oh, honey, everybody. He did. Everybody in the church. All the youth. I mean, we. And all our youth were bad, too.

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Yeah.

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Like, I was scared to death of God. Yeah, I was bad, but I was scared to death of God as far as, like, sin.

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Right.

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And I remember our youth would go get drunk and all the whole youth group would be strung out drunk at a house, and I would be making sure everybody was okay.

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Yeah.

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My brother.

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I love that about you, though. That shows that you have such a nurturing spirit for everybody to say.

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I don't.

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I really do. They say that.

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Well, I mean, I don't gather that.

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I don't gather that from you at all. I see. You don't know.

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I don't think I'm like. I think I'm gentle and kind and loving.

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I think that you will. You're about it when you need to be. But I also think that, you know, when it's time to be soft, like we can. When you're like that, when a woman has those two qualities, you know when to turn it on and turn it off.

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Yeah.

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And I don't see you being.

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I just fight hard for people.

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I think you fight. You're a lover, so. Yeah, that's how I am with my whole crew. Like, you have to. You're the protector. You protect everybody.

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Well, that's what I did. I'd protect all of them. And I don't. None of them go to church anymore. Oh. Like, literally.

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Do you have. You keep in contact with anyone?

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So. I do. Like, we had a tight, tight youth group and there's maybe one out of 65 kids because my dad was so hard.

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Just that goes into religious trauma. And, like, we're not here to bash people that are, you know, practicing and are religious. But I always say that I'm not religious. I'm spiritual.

[B]

Yeah.

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I think there's a huge difference. And I think there's, like, me too. A very great divide of when you're being religious, you're literally just cramming stuff down people's throats, and it's this way or no way, and you know you're gonna go to hell and there's, you know, no other option. But when you're spiritual, you love people and you try to show them.

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Like Jesus.

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Yes, exactly.

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Jesus leaves all these amazing people and goes to that well where that lady is sitting there at the hottest part of the day and it's burning up hot. And she's there when nobody else is there because all the Pharisees and Christians are judging her because she's been married five times and living with a man that wasn't her husband. And that's how I look at my life and people. I'm like, man, if God can do that, then why am I going to sit and be hateful to people and write people off because of their sins?

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3 month plan equivalent to 15 per month required intro rate first 3 months only. Then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra. See full [e-mail] so you get married at 18 and then you guys are only together for a little bit of time.

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A year.

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For a year. And then you guys get a.

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Because I was in to peak and I had to get my parents there to get me so I could get home.

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Don't you hate that when you have to call the parents and you're like, okay, here we go.

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My dad and I promise you, I'd never, I never drank. I never.

[A]

I really love that about you.

[B]

Like, I. I was scared to death to do those things. But I was not scared to get married. I was. I was always scared to do the things that in secret. You know, like, people see your days, but God sees your heart.

[A]

Yeah.

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But when it came to like big things like marriage. Yeah, let's go.

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Because you're a lover. That's how I would just jump.

[B]

I wouldn't even think, yeah, you're a lover. It was like, who cares how many times you've been married? Like, I mean, I would just. My mom would go, kimberly, what if. What if this isn't the right thing? Well, we'll just figure it out.

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We'll just figure it. That's how I always looked at it. I've been married three times. My husband is my third husband. And I always say three times the charms. But you know what? I used to joke around and be like, I'm gonna be like Elizabeth Taylor. My dad was married seven times. So I didn't have a very good example of, you know, what marriage is, but getting out.

[B]

So that was like a generational curse probably.

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And I'm hoping that I have broke

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it on the marriage. My father, I don't think it was

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like that, was he?

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Yes.

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That's how my. My husband. My husband's dad was the same way. He'd been married multiple times, so I think it was just. Maybe just a generational thing.

[B]

Bunny, you know how many people in this world been married three and four times but won't talk about it?

[A]

Oh, for sure. But why wouldn't you? You know, like, it's part of your story.

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So, I mean, girl, there are, like, even when I put those clips up of me being honest, the people that reach out to me and say, man, you. You've given me hope, and they'll just start going underneath. Ten times, eight times, seven times. I'm like, whoa.

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There's always. There's always haters. I mean, I posted my mug shots the other day, and a. There's. There's people like, God, your whole entire face has changed. And I'm like, thank God.

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I love that person.

[A]

Thank God. Thank you so much. So getting divorced at 18, how did you feel? Were you sad about it or were you just, like, onto the next, or did it not register because you are so young?

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I was sad, you know, because I was sad because I remember my parents came and got me out of Topek, basically. They brought our youth group. We built a church while they were there, and then I slipped in that van and left with them. And he. The. My husband moved back with us, and he stayed in the States with that. With me for about a year. And there's no way we could survive.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You know, he was a baby. I was a baby. I didn't know how to cook. I was a diva. He was a diva. And. And it was.

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Can't have two divas in a relationship that never works.

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And he was a mama's boy, which is. We love mama's boys.

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Do we?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I don't. Don't come for us. Don't come for us.

[A]

Mama's voice now cut the umbilical cord, though.

[B]

Yeah.

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Especially if you're in a marriage. You have. You cannot be a mama's boy in a marriage.

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But it is important.

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They love their mama, of course, and respect their mom, for sure.

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So I got back to the States, and right when I got back to the States, my mom and dad sent me to Bible school. They were like, girl, we've got a pastor that's going to scare the hell out of you. And I'm like, what? This pastor's going to really get you. He's going to. He's going to bring you to the feet of Jesus. You have walked through divorce. You need healing. Yeah, I did. I needed healing. But they found Pastor Rod Parsley.

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I've never heard of him until I started looking last night. Please, for those who don't know who he is at home, can you give us a little?

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So I love Pastor Rob Parsley because, man, I've known him my whole life. He is one of the truest men. Loved his wife, loved his children. What you saw is what you got. Now he can be a little hard, you know, him and his mama both. That's why my mom sent me there. My mom and daddy sent me there. Was. Because they. They were scary, right? I heard walking down the hall, and I'd be hiding, you know, because I knew that they. You know, it was. You're gonna. You're gonna live, right? You're gonna. There's an anointing on your life. And as soon as I got there, I. They grabbed me up. I, for some reason, auditioned for the choir and. Cause that's one thing about United Pentecost people. We can sing.

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Yeah.

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You know, we can't go to the movies, so we just sit around and sing. That's what we do. And so I tried out for the choir, and so from there, I started traveling with Pastor Rod, and so it made him get to really know me.

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Before that, did you want to be a pastor, or was this kind of

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like your women can't pastor?

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So this was like your parents just kind of forcing you into.

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They were forcing me to Bible school because if I go to Bible school, I can be a worship leader.

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Oh, gotcha.

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I can be a children's worker. I can be on the prayer team.

[A]

Gotcha. Gotcha.

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But women can't pastor. I was raised. Women cannot be pastors. And so I go and I start singing with him on the road. And he was just always like, kim, there's an anointing on your life. Anybody I'll try to date, he'd be like, oh, no, no, no. You can't date. Can't date. You can't date. I was there for a year, maybe two years, and I saw the Piano Boy, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna marry me a preacher. He's a piano floor boy. He is anointed. I'm gonna marry me a. And I remember being in Israel, singing on the Sea of Galilee, taping the Easter special for Pastor Rod. Pastor Rod has World Harvest Church in Ohio. He gets lost slack, too, because he's. Yeah, he's in your face. But we were Headed back from Israel.

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I mean, that's kind of romantic singing, you know, in Israel. The ambiance, it's kind of like set the mood for you to get married, you know.

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I remember I was singing, I know the peace speaker. I know him by name. I know the. And I was talking about when he says, peace, be still, all earth. And I'm up there just singing, worshiping. And I remember I was like living like the devil, going to Bible school. And I remember feeling so convicted out there on the Sea of Galilee. Like you out here singing about the peace speaker and you don't even know the peace speaker.

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No.

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Like you're out here singing on the. Where Jesus was and you're over here. So God's always been dealing with me. Like that money, like I had to finally give in, right? Because he was always after me. So what I did was on the way home from Israel, Pastor Rod said, I see you looking at that piano boy, and when we get home, you're going to move in with Mama Parsley. That was his mama and she was so scary.

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Oh, shit. Not Mama Parsley.

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I was like, I'm not moving in with this woman. All I could think about was, he's making me move in with Mama Parsley. Cause he said, girl, you make horrible decisions.

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Do you feel like he was very protective over you?

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Very protective of me. And I'm just so thankful, you know, he saw an anointing on my life, which I'm like this with so many people now because I know that if I would have just listened. So I get home and at 3 o' clock in the morning, I pack my little Yugo and I moved to Atlanta. Cause I knew this man was gonna make me move in with his mother on Monday. And I left and that little piano boy followed me.

[A]

So you didn't say bye or anything. You just up and left.

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Next morning, all the Bible kids, students are sending letter, sending texts with the script up on the screen. Kim Jones to the. To the executive wing. That was the pastor's wing.

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Oh, no.

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Kim Jones to the executive wing. I was like, I ain't there. I never spoke to him again for 25, five years.

[A]

Oh, was his heart broken that you left?

[B]

I'm bet he was just shaking his head like, when you finally ruined her

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life, when you finally did get to speak to him again. How did that go?

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Girl, it was. It was 42. Because I didn't preach my first sermon until I was 42.

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Okay.

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Because I was married to Piano Boy for 18 years.

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Yeah, we're gonna get into that marriage, too.

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So I met him. So listen, I got back in. I really fell in love with Jesus at 42 and found God for me. I was at the darkest. We'll hear about that. And about three years in, Pastor Rod's ministry reached out to me. Now when I was at Bible school, the greatest week was Dominion camp meeting, because we would sing and the curtains. The velvet curtains would go up, and it was just like 10,000 people and ta da. You know, it was like ministry. And all of a sudden, he says, we would like to invite Real Talk Cam back to preach at Dominion campmeeting.

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How'd that make you feel?

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Oh, I thought Ashton Kutcher was gonna be there. Like, I'm gonna get on this plane and Ashton Kutcher's gonna be there punking me. I was blown away. But God told me when I turned 42, God told me whenever I was really getting myself together, man, I was finding God. And I was on that hunt. And I was just. It was like a rapid, bunny. It was like a rapid. I was. I'd lost all my friends in that season. And I remember I was driving this knockoff Bentley is what I call it, and it was a 300 Chrysler. And I was back at my mom's house, and smoke would come out of my car every day coming back from Bloomingdale's where I worked. And I did a video that day talking to myself, and I was like, if you are in a place right now and you feel like giving up, don't you dare, because you're this close. I was talking to myself because I'm sitting on the side of the road with overheating, and I'm looking for God, and I feel God, but I don't feel like I deserve any help whatsoever. That's why my car's on the side of the road. And so at that moment, I just. Just was on there talking to myself, and I uploaded a video, and that thing went viral.

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It's always the ones that you never plan to go viral that go viral.

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And every single day after that, I did a video. But because of that, that's how come I'm so true to myself still to this day, right? Because it wasn't. It wasn't the horrible Christians that were, you know, because there's horrible everything, right? And, you know, in every place, you know, in every space. But it wasn't those people that were talking behind my back or it was the pastor Rod Parsley that had all the reason in the world to never have me back. Because I. I rebelled. This was my third marriage. Right now, everything he said was going to happen, happened. And he said, I want you to come preach. Well, that's crazy, because I've only been preaching for three years, and I don't even know that I'd preached at my dad's church yet, because he was still trying to get used to the women pastoring. I'd preached in Paula White's. I had preached in TD Jakes's at the young adults conference. I had preached at Creflo Dollars for taffy dollar. So all of these big mega ministries were having me. But my dad was still having a hard time because my dad remembers I was nene and not pray, praying. And I'd already made such a mockery of the family for so long. I'm sure he was taking his time. Now, my dad. Listen, my dad loved me, but he knew the ratchet side of me still. You know, I could still get up and preach and bleed in those other places because I was just going in and going out. And when I walked in that place, I remember getting off that plane, Bunny. And they picked me up at the airport. And as I was driving to World Harvest Church to preach, it was like, right before that exit, I look up and there was a billboard, and it was all these legend preachers. And then there was me right in the middle with a mohawk and a pink thing coming out. That's when I was preaching in tutus. I always was doing the craziest, like a fairy godmother. And I look up and I just started bawling. And I heard the Lord say, because of your obedience, because you put in that work, because you stopped allowing yourself to be identified by people, and you just looked up and stayed faithful and stayed focused and stayed consistent. I'm giving you a full circle moment. And I'll never forget walking in and him walking in that green room and wrapping his arms around me.

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I got chills, girl.

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I just. It was like God, that was probably healing for me, because I think all of us have baggage from that. Yeah, like, we go to a therapist forever, but what's she gonna know? She. She wasn't in that. That. That growing up like you and I, she wasn't where the. The one true and living God, that man would leave and go to that woman at the well, she never encountered that like what we did. And so I think when you see the hand of God that can take people with the worst past and create

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the best futures, but also to have such A man who is so scary to everybody else. Just embrace you after that long after you leaving without even saying goodbye and him just holding you like I would have just lost it.

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And there's people. I will fight for him. Like I am that friend. You listen to me. I'm that friend. For even you, Bunny, when I call you my friend or I love you, I will. You. You killed who? Okay. I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna then take you to the cross. We're gonna go.

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We're gonna hide the body, and then we're gonna go pray.

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Yes. But that's how I feel about him. Because he. He's hard. You know, He's. He's. He's a hard. You know, like, he'll. He'll yell it. He's been in the. In the news for yelling at staff and all this kind of stuff. But I know him. How he put his arms around me and how he fought for me. Because my ex has all came out, you know, whenever I started really blowing up.

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Oh, they always.

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They all came out with 1933 pictures, you know, and they would call him and he'd be like, don't ever. You lose my number. And he just always had my back. But I remember, girl, listen, he. He looked at my eyeballs and he said, I'm so proud of you. Real talk, Kim.

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Oh.

[B]

And he's saying, you're gonna preach your butt off today.

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He just always believed in you.

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Yes, he gave, but he came back.

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He gave you what your dad did give you. And that was really cool of him to have done that for you. And I think that's really special, that every.

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Wow, that is rich, what you just said. And I think you're right. That's exactly why that still moves me to this day, is because he didn't have to do that. He didn't. And I remember even walking into the church, and everybody was up there, and, you know, they always had their. Their Mimi's. You know, their. Their people take their computers up there and put it up there before they get there and preach. I will never do that, because I never want. Why can't I carry my computer up there and put it on the front, right on the plat, you know, the podium? And so I'm walking up, and I don't have this huge entourage like everybody else, because I just was, like, honored. Like, it ain't about me and all these people walking in. So I can show y' all I made it. It was mad. I was balling.

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Yeah.

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I was just Like, God, you've got to help me get this together before I get up there and preach. I was scared to death. There was 10,000 preachers that had been preaching for 40 years, 30 years, and here's this little girl that did everything they said she did. The woman caught in the act of adultery, taken before the Lord and said, stone her. And yet he got down in that dirt. That was Pastor Rod. He got down in that dirt and started writing. If you got some sin, if you don't have any sin in your life, then you cast that first strawman. And what he stoned. What he did for me that day was he put me up there and just said, what are y' all gonna say? Preachers.

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He led with love.

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He did.

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He practiced what he preached.

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He did.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And really after that, I was. I was on Preachers of Atlanta showed out for Jesus.

[A]

So let's circle back, though, because we left off at you getting divorced at 18 and then getting married again at 19, which resulted in you having your babies, becoming a mama teen.

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Morgan and Lincoln.

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I mean, what was that like for somebody who came from such a crazy childhood, being able to raise your own babies? Has it been healing for you or has it been triggering?

[B]

I think it was triggering, you know, because I kept. I remember I. We backslid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, me and their father were worship pastors, right? We both came from World Harvest Church, and we totally backslid. We. We got church hurt, and we're working for a minute. We're mega ministry, and we saw stuff, and it was, like, triggering all the way back. Like, no way, man. We're not gonna. We're not raising our kids under this.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And so we just quit going to church.

[A]

And I feel like everybody goes through that, though. Like, anybody that has super religious trauma, like how we do, it's like you go through a season of your life where you're like, you know what? I don't want to do this anymore. You leave the church.

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And I didn't want to fake it. You know, a lot of people will still get back in church and sing on platforms and hide their skeletons and live their whole life miserable. I just didn't want to do that. Like God, I, I, I would rather, you know, disappoint you than be in church, fake in it, and still disappointing you. So if I've got to do choose, then at least I'm just disappointing you.

[A]

But I don't want to do the dog and pony show. Yeah, I get it.

[B]

So we quit going to church. But I'd convinced Myself, and I went and started an interior design company.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

And I.

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You know what? I'm just going to become an interior designer.

[B]

I was like, I don't need anything. I'm gonna go. And, boy, did I. That is when I started partying.

[A]

So how did you just become an interior designer? Because I actually went to school for it to start getting my bachelor's degree in interior design when I was younger, and it was hard.

[B]

Excuse my language, girl, I don't have degrees for nothing.

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Yeah.

[B]

And you just got people. I do it, and they believe me. I love that.

[A]

I. I love that. Did you just. Did you start your own company?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That is hilarious. I mean, Kim, I love you.

[B]

Because I had to.

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Bunny.

[B]

I was a girl, and girls were. You know, we were supposed to be at home with our kids. I'm not gonna do that. I'm proving something to the world.

[A]

I love that you figured it out, though.

[B]

But my. What happened was my husband, my son's father, when we got hurt with that church, he went to bed, literally went into depression.

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Oh.

[B]

And we're in this house. He's the only one that's ever worked since we got married. We had been married for God at this time 13 years. We had two kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's in bed.

[A]

So it was like sink or swim. And that hustler. And you was like, okay, I've got to get up and make.

[B]

I mean, it was literally like he lost his mind. Oh, it. It knocked him.

[A]

Was he using at the time?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And we weren't even partying at that time.

[A]

Okay. Gotcha.

[B]

And so this church, you know, found out this. I guess a neighbor told this pastor in Ormond Beach, I got a girl that is phenomenal. She. She does great with color, and she just loved me. And so she. I was a makeup artist, not a designer, but she said I was great with color. And you got to let her come look at your church, because he was. Need paint colors. And I went in, and I don't know how, but I sold myself. Can you drapes?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Can you. Can you pick paint? Yes. Can you pick carpet? Yes, I can. And I went home and taught myself every bit of it. Got that whole church that is now in Ormond beach and decorated that whole church. And it was in this sh. Rich community. And so I went and started interior design company. My mother became my workroom because, remember, she made my church clothes.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I made all my choices.

[A]

Unlocked a new era, though. Like, it put a drive in you. And you were like, you know what? I did great at this. I'm about to just drive it home. I love that.

[B]

Yo.

[A]

No, interior designers make money.

[B]

And you know what I did is I went and hired a whole bunch of really good designers that were better than me. And I sit on the beach and just answer the phone.

[A]

You're smart, you're a boss. That's just.

[B]

Yeah, but I was really good too. I was good at design. So I did do it for a little while, but then I got so big that I just had teams.

[A]

But. But look how I went back and

[B]

preached at that church too.

[A]

Look how God was working in your life even when you didn't realize it. Like, he still provided and was like, you know what? Even though she's not going to church right now, she's at least pouring her energy into something.

[B]

That's how God is. I know God is like that. God is. God is never, ever changing. He is. Just because we do bad things or make not even bad things, we do the best we can. Like, I wasn't just out in these streets wanting to go to hell. For real, for real. I had two kids. I just had some stuff.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And I just stayed away from the people that had caused the harm. I don't believe you can heal where you got killed, you know, or left for dead. And so I started decorating that church. And then I started interior designing, and my husband became the stayed home with the kids. And I did that for eight years.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

You made a whole career out of it.

[B]

And we got in with all these rich people that would taught us about ecstasy and. Yep. The designer drugs, man, they were swapping. I never heard of that stuff. I was like, y' all are swingers.

[A]

Oh, yeah. In Florida too. Don't go to the Pineapple upside down houses, honey.

[B]

I made it. We made it to the villages or whatever they're called.

[A]

I remember I would lay in my

[B]

bed at night, I'd be like, God, are you still that. I just thought he didn't turn me on over to all this.

[A]

I just like, God, are you still there?

[B]

He turned me over to the Pineapples. Oh, my God. Cuz, I was sheltered. I was sheltered. So.

[A]

Okay, so let's. Let's deep dive here a little bit. Okay. You know, I have to peel back the layers. So you and your husband started partying really hard. You guys started using drugs, and you guys also started swinging.

[B]

Never swing.

[A]

Okay. Never swinging. Swapped.

[B]

We never did none of that.

[A]

Now, okay. She's like, yes, no, maybe so.

[B]

No, we didn't do any of that. But we had friends. Like, we were all around it. Like, we would leave. There was no way if that man would have ever said, because I'm this kind of woman.

[A]

Yeah, you. You.

[B]

You. You're gonna let me. You're gonna let who What?

[A]

Right?

[B]

That means you don't love me because I'm not sharing this man with. No, I will. I will cut you. You know, my. My exes, maybe. But if I love you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And remember, I'd encounter that with. Have a good trust in men anyway.

[A]

Gotcha. But I love that you didn't judge people who were in that lifestyle.

[B]

No, honey, I was best friends with them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I remember as soon as they all started getting real, you know, caught up, we'd.

[A]

We'd dip. She's like, all right, this is my exit. I'm on ecstasy. Jaw grinding. We're going home, honey.

[B]

I look back, girl, you ever just look back and think about stuff you did, honey? And think, I would have went to jail for a really, really long time?

[A]

Yes, yes, yes. All those mug shots.

[B]

There's more, but I should have had some.

[A]

Yeah. I'm sorry.

[B]

I should have had some.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I think of, like, stuff that we did back in that oh, error era.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was. My little boys were just.

[A]

Man, it was a different life back then, though. Like, I don't think. Not that I'm excusing our behavior, but I'm sorry. If I could go back to the 90s and 2000s, I would do it. It all over.

[B]

I know it.

[A]

I love that era of life. Even in the. The early 2000s too. I don't know what's going on in the world today, but it's not the world that I grew up in. And it's just a completely different, you know, time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you guys are partying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When does the party stop? So when do you realize you need the party to stop?

[B]

It was. It was 17 years and 11 months. We were married. And it was so bad. I remember my 30th birthday. It was. That night was when all hell broke loose. Like, we'd been partying. Our house was the party house. My little boys were just. I remember my mom coming to my doorstep one night right around my 30th birthday and just crying. And she was like, baby girl, I'm praying for you. Like, this is just not you. And I'd be like, girl, I ain't never coming back to Jesus with a cigarette hanging out my mouth.

[A]

No.

[B]

And I just remember the tears and so I just go drink some more. So I didn't have to remember the pain that I caused my mom because I didn't want. I didn't want to be this way. But it was way better than those people that I'd encountered in the church. So it was either this or that.

[A]

You felt a sense of freedom, of being able to choose who you were in that moment. If you wanted to drink, you could. If you wanted to smoke, you could. If you wanted to drop ecstasy, you could. Nobody's going to tell you what to do.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because those formative years, you were told what to do.

[B]

And I wasn't even thinking about God, really.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, because he wasn't thinking about me. I didn't think. I just wasn't even thinking about dying. Like, when you're caught up in sin, sin will take you further than you want to go.

[A]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[B]

Cost you more than you want to pay and keep you longer. And you want to stay when you do it. What I was doing, where it's just taking control of your life. And I remember one night, 30th birthday, and it was like the first time that I felt abuse. I was like, man, we are in trouble.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I remember that night, my mom calls me and she says, baby girl, God wants me to ask you a question. She said, do you want this in 20 years? And I was like, man, we were so far gone. Yeah. Like numb gone. Because you can't be raised in church and know God.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And not feel in your deepest, darkest hungover. Yeah.

[A]

Have some conviction.

[B]

You can't not.

[A]

Yeah, there's always a fear there because

[B]

you did feel God. Even in those seasons that those people at you down, you. You did. You. You couldn't neglect that. And so I just listened to her. And at that night, my. I didn't know where he was. You know, I didn't know where he was. I didn't know what was going on. And I was in a very dark place.

[A]

When you say you felt abuse, was it physical?

[B]

You know, we were both physical. You know, just as. Just because it's my son's father, I'm so careful because I've changed so much.

[A]

Trust me, I get it. When you. So much going on and girl was just my mouth. Yeah. Well, yes, I get it. I get it.

[B]

I could slice you up and. And leave you for dead. I was so detached, like I was. I was so wounded that people that had been in my life for 13, 14 years would leave and I would act like they had never even been there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like I just had no attachment ability at all.

[A]

Like verbal sniper. I call it being a verbal sniper because I was the same way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would cut people just broken, leave them like just so heartless.

[B]

Like not even care. Like I. I even think back to this day. Did you care? Like did you know? Like it was like I just expected everyone to leave, you know? So it was like I was like peace out. Right. And then I'd walk in a room with them and never even look at them. Like they. They had never been there.

[A]

So I would always hurt people before they could.

[B]

Oh yes, me too.

[A]

Self sabotage. Yeah, that's fine.

[B]

Honest. Yeah. And so that's when it really started. I still stayed another four years after that trying to. Trying to save him. I really honestly thought he's going to come to his grips, he's going to get it together and we're going to go back.

[A]

Depression or was he in addiction at this point?

[B]

It was addiction, just full blown. My parents came and. And tried to go through what's it called, sober and sobered him up. He went away. It was. It was just had a hold on him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I mean I could party and then get up and go to work, you know, it wasn't. I was a party animal.

[A]

I was a functioning addict.

[B]

I was totally. And so my kids were lost. And I remember what finally was hit the camel's back was one night. I remember it was this song that. That just started coming on because I was all by my. Myself. My kids were at my mom's house in Atlanta and I was living in Orlando, Florida. And at this point, so much had taken place in this marriage. I mean police, just holes in walls, just rage. And this night it was like I'm dying tonight. Like I knew this night, night I was gonna die. Like it was so. It was at the top of rage. It was like the. Everything came to a head. And that night all I could think about was I gotta get out of this house. And then I gotta go where I gotta go. And because I'd protected him, I didn't. There was nobody around. I mean we had. I literally started this man a church trying to get him sober. Like if I at least. I mean I wouldn't found a. A movie theater, bought all the music equipment. He came to church drunk, you know, I mean, and people were trying to sober him up so he'd get up and do the sermon. I'm just trying to help him get his, you know, get his life back. And that night I thought, if I can get up and get out, then I'll, I'll, I'll call my mom and dad tonight. And I remember I sat in a bush because the neighbors went to our church and I couldn't go over there because I didn't want them to hate Jesus because of our horrific leadership ability.

[A]

Right. You know you've gone through that.

[B]

Yes. And I didn't want to stand before God one day. And he was like, girl, like, all these people turned away from me because of your mouth, because you, you were double minded.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And so I just sat in that bush. I remember about five o' clock, he left. And I go and I call my mom and dad. And they came to Orlando, picked up my home. It was a beautiful home that I had bought. And my mother came in. We patched holes where, I mean, when, when, when the fights would start, they would just, he would throw just whatever. And I just put pictures over the walls. And she sat that day for 24, 48 hours and just started fixing the walls. And I remember my dad walking around telling people, don't talk together. Like, if you talk to her, she's gonna have a nervous breakdown. Just talk. I was out of, was like, and I'm a strong woman. And I was out of it. And from that point on, I remember listening to this. Credit's important to me. Like, integrity is important to me. Even when I was out in the world looking for peace and looking for whatever I was out searching for, I still felt I gotta keep up with my name and, you know, good character. And I got two boys that even always are gonna need their mom and I'm gonna be able to supply for them. And in this. But in the last six months, I lost my business because it was. We were down to that place of, you know, I'm tired of you depending on everybody else. You need to. So I closed the whole business down, gave it to my designers. Cause I was trying to do everything I could to save this marriage. Whatever he told me was gonna work, I was going to do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And by this time, so I didn't have the company anymore. And I remember thinking, I got this $500,000 house behind these gates, and I'm going to lose it. I'm going to. I'm not going to be able to buy cheese with my credit. How am I going to sustain my kids? And do you know when we were packing up that U haul, getting ready to pull out, a Taurus pulls up in that driveway. And it is a beat up Taurus and literally rolls its window down and says, are y' all selling this house? It looked like a yard sale. Cause we had stuff laying everywhere. And my dad said, in fact, we are. He said, do you mind if I go in and look in, look inside? My dad let him go look inside. He said, I'm gonna buy this house.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He said, I'm an investor, and I'm gonna buy this house. And at 6:00am that next morning, we stayed overnight. 6:00am that next morning, that man bought our house.

[A]

House, Kim.

[B]

And it was like God at that moment started showing me glimpses of him.

[A]

Because you were making the right decision. So he was, like, encouraging you. Like, now you don't have a reason to go back.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Now it's just moving forward.

[B]

Yes. And this is what he does for us. When everybody in the world lets you down. If you'll do the hard things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you'll swallow your pride. Because that's what I had to do. I had so much pride. And I had to swallow my pride and move back in with the very woman that I married a man for to run away from.

[A]

But look how they showed up for you.

[B]

Oh, girl. Now, my mom and daddy, he didn't want me reaching his pulpit, but he loved his daughter.

[A]

Yeah. I don't trust you to be behind the pulpit, but I thought, you're my daughter.

[B]

She's like, baby girl, you. You're still. You need to get your mouth. You're. You still cuss a little. That was the only reason he didn't want me to make a fool of myself, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But.

[B]

But now I pastor his church. But, yeah. So I had to move back in with my mom and dad. I remember one night, Bunny. It was like the biggest, just humbling experience that me and my two sons that had everything, every new video game, every. I mean, I drove a Navigator, a Mercedes convertible, this beautiful house. We would have chefs cook for us, or we'd let them Stouffers pull up all the cooked meals. And. And overnight those boys and had gorgeous bleach. You know, that. That long hair. And they were just so cool. And all of a sudden, when my dad comes, he makes them cut their hair. So it's still a little in him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've never talked about this part. He made them cut their hair off, their surfer hair off, off. And he went and put them in Christian school. So it was like, overnight, all of this stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And my boys ain't been to church. You know, I convinced myself we'd only been out for three years. But it had been 10.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

You know, for three years.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It had been 10.

[A]

And was that a shock for them? Like, how did they adjust?

[B]

Well, because my mom and dad, we move in with them and there's a revival going on with a guy named Todd Bentley or something. I don't remember. I mean, obviously I remember his name. Obviously, it was traumatic to me. And every single night, they are laying in the floor weeping with this tent revival. And it was every night. So my kids go from no church to laying in the floor watching my mom and dad lay in the floor. We've been in crying every night, and my dad's making them cut their hair.

[A]

And how did they adjust? How did it affect them? How old were they at this time?

[B]

7 and 9. Oh, it was hard on them.

[A]

Yeah, I bet.

[B]

You know, my, My, my. Then they. Of course, a year went by. 10, 11, 12. I said I was gonna be out of my mama's house by then. And every year went by and I was stuck because now I'm having to work a retail job because we're in Fayetteville, Georgia. I pastor in a town that is horses and cows. And there's not even a mall. There's a Belk. And so I had to go get a job at this Kmart on crack. Right. Because that's all there is. And I gotta take care of my kids. Kids.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so.

[A]

And it wasn't just you. You couldn't just up and leave like you had done previously, because now you got two little nuggets.

[B]

And I was scared to make their own. I would. There was really a fear of, I can't mess up again because I got these two little boys that lost their dad and mom. Like, what a disgrace. Like, the first one was.

[A]

Oh, you were young. You were young.

[B]

I mean, the only thing that. Yeah, right.

[A]

And I feel like it doesn't count. That one should have been a no.

[B]

And if I passed him on the street, I wouldn't even know what he looks like.

[A]

Like,

[B]

honest to God, I love that. Like, it was just that. And this one, I loved his guts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so it was like he

[A]

had children with him, so.

[B]

And I honest to God, thought we'd be together forever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, probably doing something in ministry. I don't know. Because that's what he did our whole marriage.

[A]

Did he ever get it together? And was he able to. No. Never got it together. I hate to hear that.

[B]

No. And my mom was right. 20 years. Do you want this? Because nothing's changing, y'. All.

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[A]

Right?

[B]

Right. You know, my. My get it together, which is take over the world.

[A]

Right? Right.

[B]

Or I got peace. You know.

[A]

Yeah, he's. If he's living how he wants to live, and he's exactly right, then that's. That's all that matters. So take me to this, you know, God speaking on your life and calling you to become a pastor because you're living at home, you're at rock bottom, you're working at Belk and you get this hair brain idea to become a pastor. How does this come to you, girl?

[B]

I didn't even know how to do makeup because, remember, I was raised you can't do makeup.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So why are they gonna put me at Estee Lauder. Like, not even Mac Estee Lauder, which is like granny makeup. And so that means white diamonds and all that stuff.

[A]

My stepmom remember you too.

[B]

Youth do.

[A]

No, I don't remember that.

[B]

Oh, girl, them ladies love the youth do. And they would come spray all over this smells straight up like. Like diapers. And so it. And you have to wear these polyester navy blue suits, you know, uniforms. And so they're like, we have the best job for you. And it's Estee Lauder. And I'm like, listen, lady, I don't know how to put makeup on. You do not want me in makeup. I really don't even like people at all.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, I.

[A]

At this point in my life, I'm over it.

[B]

I don't like people. Yeah, I don't. I'm not going to be good with. With your customers. Put me in the well. Put me in the well. I'll open the boxes. They were like, oh, no, we think you're going to be great, girl. When I tell you. It was like God punked me because I was still. My dad because I was in his house, was making me sick lead worship his church. So I'd be driving to church with my cigarette hanging out my. Out of my car and then getting to the church and spraying. Spraying love spell all over me, which

[A]

that doesn't even work because I used to smoke new ports, so. I know. And the love.

[B]

You just smell like a whole whorehouse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Walking up into the chair.

[A]

Every stripper in Vegas wore loves. Oh, my God.

[B]

Or vanilla sick now.

[A]

Amber Romance. Yeah, Amber Romance was the other one.

[B]

And so I would. I started to do his worship, but I was, like, in cosmetics. And I remember watching YouTube's trying to learn how to. How to, like, do makeup. And. And I remember getting so mad at God one night, and I was like, you hate me. Like these old ladies. Like, I don't even know how to do makeup. And now you're wanting. They're coming in here wanting. I gotta put it in the wrinkles and cover the wrinkles up. And I don't even know how to put makeup on. I'm just having this whole conversation because I truly did start talking to God, right? Like, I was really laid in that bed, really seeking because I was sad. I was broken. And. And I remember laying in that bed and I said, God, I said. I said, I need you to take this pain away from me. And probably for the first time in my life, Bunny, I heard, I can't take it away from you. You got to get up and walk away from it. And at that moment, I realized that it was like the rejection wasn't people necessarily wanting out of my life. It wasn't just because I was bad. It wasn't just because I was unlovable, but that God did indeed have something for me to do. I never thought it was preaching, ever. I never thought it was preaching, but he had something for me to do that those people that I'd opened the door to, to come in my life, their character couldn't keep up with my purpose. And so for some reason, I wrapped my head around rejection's God's protection. And so I started climbing out of that depression, that sadness, that. That hollowness that sitting in the parking lot with all my girlfriends, drinking Bones Farm, you know, or the cheapest wine we could find. Literally getting drunk on the cheapest wine we could find after work while my kids are at home with my parents. And it's. I started longing. It was like God started giving me a longing. Because I always knew God from my parents or from Bible school.

[A]

Their version.

[B]

Yeah. But this time I hit rock bottom, and I needed God. And I remember he started taking me on a journey of forgiveness. And I remember I lay in my bed at night and I would pray, God, kill him. Kill him with a train. Because God didn't tell me how to kill him or how to pray for him. He just said, pray for him. I was praying for him to get killed with the train because I wanted him to hurt as bad as I was hurting. And I remember when he started talking about forgiveness, I was just like, wow, I don't even know how to do that. Raised in the church.

[A]

Well, because they didn't show you no forgiveness. They didn't show you how to forgive. No, that was my. That's been my biggest lesson in life, too, is learning how to forgive.

[B]

And I would lay in my bed every night and be like, God, help. I would pray that every night. God help me forgive. God help me forgive. I want to forgive. I want to forgive, but I don't know how. And it was, like, over time, in about six months, I was starting to get up more excited. My kids were starting to see a change. I wasn't just going out and looking for trouble to get into. Right in the beginning of this journey of me finding God and really, like, just hungry. I came home drunk one night. I was probably 38, and it was the last time I got drunk. I come home drunk. We'd had a Party. And I was the. I was the. I was the star. You know, everywhere I went, they'd make sure I got home and everything. They would drive.

[A]

I believe that they would drop me. All.

[B]

They put me in the bed. Like, they. They took. People took care of me because I was just. By this time, I was happy. I was getting there. And that night, I walk in my house, and I. I remember the girl, this lady named Tarvette was the one that drove me home. And that night, she had called my son Morgan and said, I need you to open the door because I'm bringing your mama home. And that night, when I walked in, I saw that pain in my son's eyes because he just. He seen it two years prior when we had to leave his father, as that had taken away that whole family, you know, from him. And I saw that, and I was so broken. I mean, because, you know, when you're. When you're drunk, some reason you're more spiritual, if you got any. God, you're preaching to everybody.

[A]

Well, they call alcohol spirits.

[B]

Yes, they do.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

So seeing that pain, I saw that pain. And I'm walking in, and I just feel grief because he was. You could just see it in his eyes, just like. Because he'd never seen me like that. I'd hit it really well, you know? And I was walking upstairs, and as I was walking upstairs, I hit all of the pictures.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

I'm 38, and I wasn't as bad as I had been. I was really searching for God, but I was just one foot in, one foot out, really? And doing so good. And already doing my videos.

[A]

Right? Right.

[B]

Oh, already doing my videos. Already talking about Jesus.

[A]

So your video started out as, like, motivational speaking, not being a pastor.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

No, I never knew that.

[B]

No, no, no. Just. Just literally, like, man, I know you want to give up trying to encourage. I know you're starting over today. I know you're sitting on the car side of the road and you're hoopty, and you are looking at all these people that look like they're doing so much better than you. And so that's what it was. Totally. It was definitely not, because I had it all together, right. I probably look like I did, but I knocked all the pictures down going upstairs at my mom's. All my graduation pictures on my brothers. And I heard the door of my father's room opening, and my heart started populating because my son already was disappointed. And now my dad, which I love more than anything, was gonna catch me. Cause I'd always stay away, you know, if I was gonna be partying or anything like that. But this night, I got busted. And so I hear my dad walking up the stairs, and I run to my room, and I lay down like this, as still as I can, thinking that he'd think I was asleep, like he didn't see all the pictures. But when you're drunk, you just think

[A]

you're very sober and you're slick.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like it wasn't me.

[B]

And I could feel his breath looking down at me as I just opened my eye like this. And he said, baby girl, how do you feel? And I said, heartbroken. And he said, well, you're gonna get through this, he said, but I hope you don't have a hangover tomorrow, he said, because daddy's gonna tuck you in. And he said, forgive yourself, but tomorrow you gonna get up, leave praise and worship at our church. And I thought every white person, because it was all white, all the white people in that building, judgmental. Oh, they were. I said, they're gonna die because there's a lightning bolt about to go through the Sal church. Because there's no way my dad should let me. Because most of the time, you got to get up. If you're a preacher's kid, you got to get up. You got to stand before the church. You got to say, I'm sorry that I've said. My dad never let that happen. My dad covered me. He protected me. But he was gonna make me get up, lead praise and worship. And I remember that Sunday, it was like, God, I laid in that bed that night and cried my eyes out because I felt like another moment with Pastor Rod where Jesus was holding me and saying, let it go. You're human.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And after that, I never drank again. It was like my father showed me everything I needed him to show me all those years, this soft side where he's saying, baby girl, I'm so proud of you. And you gonna get up there and you gonna sing your butt off, and you gonna lead worship. And God is there, and I trust you. And so I say I led worship. And it was like there was a healing that took place, and I never had to go out and get drunk and drive with one eye again. And that's when my whole life really started changing. And I literally fell so in love with Jesus.

[A]

I love this.

[B]

Fell in love with Jesus. And, I mean, girl, listen, I was then turning those car videos into preaching, but it wasn't preaching. It was all. I'm fascinated with the stories in The Bible where God leaves the 99 for the 1 where he will turn. Apostle Paul, that was Saul, that was a Christian killer. And he'll turn him into one of the greatest revivalists in the planet. Yes, he'll save him. He'll let a snake bite him that was supposed to kill him and he'll shake that snake off. And that very hand that got bit by the snake is the one that was healing people. Like, I'm just fascinated by those stories of the man laid at the pool of Bethesda 38 years and all of a sudden, guys, I get your tail up. What you doing?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he gets up and he says, now take your mat and walk. He knew if he left his mat there, he would come back. And yet that man ended up being a great revivalist. The woman at the well became one of the greatest revivalists. And so I was always fascinated with that. So I was always telling those stories. If you've been church hurt, it's okay. And then I met a guy named Trent Shelton in that time and he's over rehab time. He had this big old movement and he would ask me to come on and pray. And it wasn't a Christian movement, but he always wanted someone to pray. And he saw me as a preacher and so he would ask me to come on rehab time and pray. And I'd be sitting up in my mama's bedroom, that room that was a 10 by 10, like size of my old walk in closet. And I'd be praying in that room. And I showed up every Thursday like there was 20,000 people standing there. And I did it faithfully for like two years.

[A]

It gave you a purpose.

[B]

Yeah, And I think the obedience to God, like, I mean, I would be out with family and have to go sit in my car so I could do this rehab time. And it stirred something up inside of me that was. And then when I was at blooming day, I mean bell, when I. When I think about that, I could not stand people. And God knew that. And he said, where I'm taking you, you have to like people. So I'm going to put you in front of these sweet little ladies that don't care if you can't do makeup. They're just coming to feel pampered. And you're going to fall in love with them because you're going to learn to listen to their stories. And girl, when I tell you that five years in cosmetics, I fell. So all of this was in the same time. I fell in love with people so much their Stories. I started ministering to them out of a place I never. I never knew was there.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It was like. I remember when I really realized that God had his hand on my life, was this lady named Eleanor came walking.

[A]

That's an old lady name, and I

[B]

love that she looked like an old lady. She gonna walk in like this with her little handbag, you know, and she comes walking in, and by this time, because I was selling the mess out of lip glosses, because that's all I could put on you was lip glosses. And everybody was buying lip glosses. And I do their makeup, and they'd buy lip glosses. And I had one of the top counters in Atlanta for sale because it

[A]

was because of you.

[B]

It was.

[A]

People were attracted to your charms.

[B]

And Eleanor came in, and she said to me, kim. I said, eleanor, you cannot return that. I have all the count execs come into my store, and they're going to ask me what I'm doing to get all these sales. And if you return, we have no returns. Eleanor. She said, oh, no, I'm not bringing this back. She said, I'm coming back with a proposition to you.

[A]

You.

[B]

She said, for the last 13 years, she said, my husband walked out on me for my best friend. And she said, I quit living. She said, I lay in my bed, and I would just rot. And everyone enabled me. My kids would bring me food and groceries, and I just wouldn't leave the house. I lost me. And she said, I have to get a job. She's probably 78, and she was having to go get a job. And she said, so I have to. I have to figure out how to take care of myself. And she said, I've been going to a therapist. This woman comes to my house and meets with me for the last 10 years. And she said, that therapist hasn't done anything for me. But she became my friend. She said, but when I came and sat in your chair on that Friday, she says, something happened in your chair. And she said, when I left, I went home, I opened all my blinds. She said, I told people, I don't need you to come buy my groceries anymore. She said, life is back in me. And she said, every Friday, I'm gonna come sit back in this chair, and I'm gonna let you talk to me, and I'm gonna buy another lip gloss.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

And it was like. That was God Bunny. It was like all of a sudden, I was like.

[A]

It, like, clicked for you. It was like a light bulb.

[B]

Everything they said about me Is not true. I can preach. I can love people back to life. And if I can't preach in a church, I can preach on the side of the road. I can minister. I can love everybody. I can walk in a grocery store. I can fall in love with little thumbnails that I don't know. I never meet these people, but yet God's given me this ability to love so well that they feel like they're my best friends. And it's because I prayed every day. God, let me be that person that lets people feel seen, that wants to live right. I'm not. I didn't live right because I was scared of hell. I was not scared of hell. I had already been there. Yeah, but what brought me to Jesus was Rod Parsley and my father wrapping their arms around me and having my back when I didn't have my own back. So it's the love of God. It's loving people where they are and being there for them and letting Jesus clean them up.

[A]

Amen, sister. And so from there, you just start preaching. What was it like when you did your first sermon?

[B]

Oh, well, I pulled out a tutu.

[A]

Okay. Where did the style come from? I need to know. You have. You've had, like, a whole change in style, which. I love both versions. Oh, we got a credit.

[B]

Because that man right there loves me. Well, you know, I just never felt. Felt sexy. I was a preacher, you know, I was. I was. And, you know, I try to preach soft, girl. People say, how many cigarettes have you smoked today?

[A]

I love your voice.

[B]

Because I'm like. I get called trans. I get called Caitlyn Jenner all the time. Like, is that Caitlyn Jenner?

[A]

I think the other day. Listen, that's a compliment. People ask me if I'm trans, too. I think that's the new thing that people. Whenever women are good looking, it's because. No, it's because trans women are beautiful now. It's like, they're. That's so beautiful. So it's like, you know what? If you want to call us that.

[B]

I can't believe I had thought of that. It's because I'm gonna say that next time. I'm telling you, I'm a little sassy on there. I think somebody called me Chloe the other day, and I was like, well, praise God. I've graduated from Caitlyn. You know, I'm Chloe.

[A]

You're beautiful. You are beautiful. But I remember I had seen you before when you were the blonde with the tutus and the glasses and stuff. Like that. And then when I saw you again, I was like, wait, wait, wait. Is this the same person? I had to go Google because I was like, this can't be the same person. But it was the same voice. Yeah. So I was like, this is her. And I was like, oh, my God. She's had like a total. I don't like using the word glow up because I feel like everybody is where they want to be at that point in their life. But I was like, she's had a total transformation as far as she looks.

[B]

You know, I think this is what healing looks like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I think we do such a bad job in Christianity.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because I don't believe that you can be a healed person and be an ugly Christian.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Amen. Yes.

[B]

I don't believe that you can be. The waiter's having a bad day and you're like, sending your food back with one bite left. And I just feel like this is what healing looks like. It made me softer. Softer. I don't feel like I have anything to prove. Like I can come sit on Bunny's podcast and. And be 100% authentic and not be afraid of nothing. Because I know for a fact God's got my back.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

It's healed. Like, I know I'm worth fighting for. I know that if the heaven split open tonight and I get before the Lord, I'm going to hear, well done, my good and faithful sir. Because I love his kids. Well, was I perfect? No. But did I love his kids? And I think that's what matters to him more than anything.

[A]

Absolutely. Leading with.

[B]

I think I healed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think this is healing.

[A]

I love it. You look good, mama. I'm so excited for you.

[B]

And it's so funny because I don't look anything like. Like people will literally. Because I have such a different following now.

[A]

Yeah. Diverse for sure.

[B]

When I had the tutu, you know, they don't even remember. Nobody even knows me in the tutu. Yeah. Because my whole following's changed so much.

[A]

Yeah. How it goes in waves. So take me on your first sermon. And I'm. I'm really curious about this because we have so many people that want me to start going and speaking at places. This. And I am knock kneed. Like, I sit me behind a microphone and one on one with you, I'm completely fine. But getting in front of people and like, how do you. How do you do it? Like, how. How did it feel to you to do that?

[B]

I'm just one of those people that just does stuff.

[A]

Yeah, I know this interior designer.

[B]

You know, I'll be. I'm nervous all the time. Yeah. Because I need Jesus. I just. I just always, like, I got it. God, I can't believe you've allowed me to be here. But for me, it was. I remember I was about to do a conference, so. So listen, let me. Let me tell you how I got here. So I was coming out walking through forgiveness. God told me I had to get up and walk away from that victim mentality that I was walking in feeling

[A]

sorry for myself, which I think is huge. That's a huge part to pick out. Because a lot of people don't like to say that they have. They were victimizing themselves. And I don't think you can truly start growing as a human until you own the fact that you are a perpetual victim.

[B]

Because even if you didn't do. Even if the pain you are feeling isn't your fault, the healing still is.

[A]

Your response is your responsibility. Yes.

[B]

And you can't heal. I mean, we. We chose these people. So what was that? You know, so we did have a part to play in it. We stayed way longer than we should have. What was that? And so I had to get there and realize that, you know, I mean, girl, I'm the queen of laying hands on myself. I'd be like, come out. I will. I feel I will lay hands on myself.

[A]

I don't pay to see that. I would love to be around one of us.

[B]

My mouth will get sad, so I'll be like, come out.

[A]

Come out.

[B]

But I remember I was. It was when Facebook had a quiz, and it was 25 things about me. And that's when everybody was going around telling about it. And I remember it was right in the beginning of my healing. I was probably 38. And I remember that the number one was, what's your favorite color? And I couldn't even tell you what my favorite color was. I was so broken. I mean, at this point, I was coming out, you know, but I was still like, man, I don't even feel worthy of God's love. I don't feel worthy of a man's love. I don't feel I've embarrassed my mother, my sons. And number six was. Number number two was, what's your favorite food? And I remember laying there that night, crying so hard, and I was like, God, I don't even know who I am anymore. Because you lose yourself trying to get people to love you, that we're never supposed to love you. And you're, you just attracted what you were and not what you wanted. And I was laying in that bed and I said, God, I need to know 25 things about me. That's good. And seven days later, it was Mother's Day. And Lincoln Presley, my youngest, 29, now he walks up and hands me a poem that he's made that looks like a little girl with the dress so feminine and she like a little tutu looking dress on and she was so girly. And I just did not feel, I didn't feel soft, I didn't feel, you know. And the poem was 35 things that I love about, about you. And I remember reading those, it wasn't even 25, it was 35 things that I love about you, Mama. And number one said, I love you because you're the loudest one at my basketball games. That boy used to tell me every bunny, every time we'd be going to a game, he'd tell me, mother, if you're loud, I'm never telling you again because you embarrass me, cuz you're the loudest one here.

[A]

But he secretly loved it.

[B]

Then he going to come tell me all these years later that I love you because you were the loudest one at my basketball games. That made me feel so loved. See, mamas don't listen to them. And then number six was, I love you because you conquered hell in high heels. And man, girl, I cried like a baby and healed. So many, so many layers came off me. So then I got invited to go preach. And it was a Kojic church. And what kind of church is that? Like, like, like it's, it's, it's where they, they shall.

[A]

Oh yeah, everybody get the rattlesnakes out and stuff.

[B]

All you got to do is just say amen. And everybody's like, right, like, you don't gotta have a whole lot of anointing, right? Like you just gotta walk up in there like you feel it, right?

[A]

Right.

[B]

And. And so I was standing in front of the mirror, I'll be like in God. And he said, trying to learn how to hoop, because I had already seen all the people speaking. They were all gonna hoop. They were all gonna lay hands on everybody in the whole place. And they had asked me to come preach off of a video in a car. As I remember laying in my bed, I was like, oh my God, I was. I didn't practice hoopin', I done practiced dancing. That left leg wasn't gonna move. So we knew that wasn't gonna work. This One would move, but that wasn't gonna move, you know, so that shouting was discombobulated. And so I'm laying in my bed and all of a sudden I remember that poem that Lincoln had made me and how that made me feel. And I was like a tutu girl. I don't know where that came from because my body was not built for a tutu. Okay? I was probably £178, like £199 at that moment. At that time, I order me a tutu and go to this conference with a tutu, black tutu on. Because I was scared of these people. And I knew that if I come in as something that they're not going to judge my preaching because I'm going to already take them away, right? They're just going to be like, look what she's walked in. So I put me some combat boots on, I had a black tutu. And it was all because I was scared to death to preach. Did not even know what I was going scared. Couldn't. Had not heard from God yet. Like I'd been begging God to tell me what I supposed to reach.

[A]

He left you hanging out.

[B]

And so I had a. I remember like it was yesterday. I had on a black T shirt with rhinestones and Cochrane Helen high heels girl. When I walked in that place, it was like the Holy Spirit took over. Like when I tell you it was. I preached a sermon that night called From Stars to. From Scars to Stars or something like that. Those women. I never had to lay hands on one person, which I was scared to death to do. I never had to lay hands on one person. I didn't even get to my. To the sermon. I got up there and just started talking, just flowing about. God was just putting stuff in me about brokenness and healing and how much he loves you daughter and all this stuff. When I tell you that place was the. Everyone was just laid out, weepy. And so from then I thought, well, that was the tutu.

[A]

It was the two. Two. I want them over.

[B]

That was it. When I walked in, it just. It just won them over. And so then I just started wearing tutus and I became like that little tutu breacher.

[A]

It was like your little uniform.

[B]

Yeah, it was my uniform.

[A]

But it sets you apart from everybody.

[B]

Well, it set me apart. And they didn't have a whole lot of expectations, right? You know, like it was like, they're she's coming in a tutu, but we love who they. This is right? And I was allowed to say things like they Were cuz, you know, at that point, t. Twitter had already given me the name Real Talk Kim. And was that how you got.

[A]

Your name was from Twitter?

[B]

My name was taken and they said Real Talk Kim. And I was like, yeah, I like that.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

And so they. Tik Tok gave me the name and then probably, I mean, Twitter. Then a year into me preaching, and I got contacted to go on oxygen and be preachers of Atlanta because of my tutu. I love that. So I don't. I still to this day can't tell you really where that whole look. I mean, I shaved my head off. I would shave my head with my razor that I was cutting my legs with, you know, and then I'd take lipstick and put it in my hair and.

[A]

Are you a natural blonde?

[B]

I am white now, yeah. Just because you're not 53.

[A]

But naturally, are you a blonde? Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And so I, you know, would. Would bleach my own hair, then I'd put all that color in it. But it was like that. That became a huge awakening for me because I learned how to preach in that season, but that tutu took me. It sounds so cliche, I guess, but it was almost like. Like I could. I felt like she was worthy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Of being there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because miracles took place when she walked in there.

[A]

Yeah. That she was. She served you for that season of your life. That's who you're talking about.

[B]

Her. Like, she's real.

[A]

I mean, she is. She's sitting in front of me right now. It's just a different version.

[B]

I was that way for 15 years.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that's a lifetime.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys, you know, she got you started in this, and you made a name for yourself while wearing that. Not tutu.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So take me on. You ended up getting married again. The.

[B]

The.

[A]

That was your third marriage.

[B]

I did that before all of this.

[A]

All of this.

[B]

So I was still living with my mom and dad.

[A]

We're getting to Angelo. That's why we're. We're getting.

[B]

We're.

[A]

We're going down the. Yes. We're getting to the. We saved the best for last.

[B]

The best for last.

[A]

So the third one ended up DMing you.

[B]

Okay. So I was living at my mom's. You know, me, I was living at my mom's, trying to get out.

[C]

Out.

[B]

I was still in the parking lot drinking, partying, and. But I'm coming to Jesus. I'd already had the experience with the. The. The moment with him where we were like, God, I need to forgive So I was really starting to preach. I hadn't. I haven't preached yet in a church, but I was singing now, and this man slips into my DMS and he's 15 years older. And all I thought was, this man's gonna get me out of belt. He's gonna get me out of Bloomingdale's, he's gonna get me out of my mama's house.

[A]

Because you still have that thought of.

[B]

Yeah. I was never gonna preach. Like that wasn't even an option. And now I'm at. You know, I didn't even have the confidence to go start an interior design company.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I'm stuck. So I gotta marry somebody with money. And so I met him through Facebook and married him after meeting him twice.

[A]

It wasn't Facebook Marketplace, was it?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, good, good.

[B]

Can you believe I did that? You pro. Should have been. It could have been, actually.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But he slipped in my DMs and I married him. And it was hell. And that is when the windows of heaven opened over my life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I would still be married to him, you know, Cuz you're.

[A]

You try to make things work.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And ministry took off.

[A]

And was he a Christian too?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just didn't walk it. He was the devil. It was like I married Satan and had to pretend I was happy.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Liar. The. The biggest liar. I would look down in church and he'd be sitting there with his hands up in the air with tears rolling down his face. I was like, when you get home, you're gonna be the biggest devil on the planet.

[A]

It. Was he abusive?

[B]

Oh, no. But he was just mean as a snake.

[A]

I mean, that's just his worst verbal abuse. I'd rather take a punch to the face than emotional and ver. Verbal abuse.

[B]

And. And because God started taking me off, he would. He would literally when I would get done preaching. Well, that was a stupidest sermon. You don't know the word. People. People, they don't know who you are. And then he would talk about me behind my back. To what a staff to. I mean, I like the horns.

[A]

You literally were sleeping with the enemy.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

So God. God caught him. I mean, I'd been married to him for eight years. We were living completely different lives. I was on Preachers of Atlanta, and I think he was on, like, one show. He made everything hell for me. I think that was my last test, you know, because I kept it together. I was at the feet of Jesus a lot, and I was not allowing that man to steal what God had given me. And so I thought like the last one, last elephant on the ark, that

[A]

was the devil trying to take you down. It was knock you off track again

[B]

because he was so horrible.

[A]

How did you guys end up splitting?

[B]

Well, I was preaching in. In Biloxi, Mississippi. And so when I met him, I wasn't preaching. I didn't start preaching for two years after I met him. I was working at Belk and Bloomingdale in the process of that, and those videos started taking off and then I started preaching. So when I met him, I was not already. When I'm married again. I wasn't in ministry, so I was preaching in Biloxi, Mississippi, and it sounds like I'm making it okay. I got married again. I had to give you all the details.

[A]

Yeah, no, no, no. You're painting a picture.

[B]

So I'm in Biloxi, Mississippi, and some the of my pastor friends called and we're like, kim, we are so sorry. And I'm like, for what? Catch the NBA playoffs on Sling tv, the most flexible live TV streaming service, putting consumers in control to watch games their way with flexible subscriptions. Want to catch one game or a full series on espn? Grab a one, three or seven day pass. If you want to catch as many games as possible, get a monthly subscription with our abc, NBC and ESPN combo package. Either way, Sling lets you watch the playoffs your way with no long term contracts. Learn [e-mail] they were like, you haven't been on social media. And I'm like, no. They said, well, your husband has been caught and he is a cheater. About fell over. This man acted like. I mean, though we didn't have nothing, he still acted like enamored with me, you know, like, right. He would never. He loved the life I'd given him at that point. I was like, this old man. There's no way I saw a video of him.

[A]

He was bomb.

[B]

What was. He was totally. What was it? Old.

[A]

Like what? I didn't even understand. All right, you were doing charity work, Kim. Oh, I almost fell out of my bed last night when I saw a video of him. I. I was like, what?

[B]

I don't even tell people. This was even.

[A]

It was a low point in life for you. Okay, Just by the man that you had beside you.

[B]

I'm trying to get out of my mom and dad's house. Every time I even try to talk about Angelo's exes, he's like, you can't

[A]

say nothing to me, Angelo. I have your Back on that one, cuz I was like, wait, what? When I saw this guy's shiny, bald head sitting next to you.

[B]

I mean, grandpa. He was horrible.

[A]

I mean, he was Grandpa.

[B]

Like, if it's okay if he been nice Gramps. You know, if he was take. If he was. He was Gramps.

[A]

It was Grams.

[B]

And he was not even good gr.

[A]

I mean, and to be mean to you, like, come on, dude. Like, that's just.

[B]

He hated me.

[A]

Pick a struggle.

[B]

Okay? He hated me.

[A]

Like, I'm like, he was jealous. He was jealous of your light, your angels disturbed his demons.

[B]

You know how people. That's exactly right. Do you know. Do you know how people bring us gifts because they love us? He would come in and throw those gifts. They don't know who you are. They'd come and take pictures of me out in public. He'd be like, we cannot take pictures out public. Well, this man got busted. He was taking my jewelry to these women. He was. He was going, who?

[A]

Who is fucking hooking up with that?

[B]

My followers. Yeah, it was my followers.

[A]

It's because it wasn't for him. It was for you. Because some women have a thing where they want to be with the man that the woman that they look up to is with. It's really. It's a weird, sick dynamic that Parasocial relationships.

[B]

Well, her family found out, and they were like, you're doing what with Real Talk Camp says. Because, you know, I'm kind of. I come across like, you know, back then, I was like, I've healed from that. Even.

[A]

She's still in there, though.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I fight for people like I did for her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I went online and all these people. He was standing there in a picture like this, and he had his hands crossed, and people were like, does anybody know whose husband this is? They know.

[A]

Who says they put him in one of those groups? Huh?

[B]

Yes. Oh, he was on. We were. He was on all the blogs. And so they said, does anybody know whose husband. Everybody knew who's. I'm sure they knew. It was Real Talk cams, but they were trying to put. Probably protect me too, because they were. I mean, for the most part, people were pretty kind to me. And that boy had cheated on me and that woman's family and found out. And come to find out, he'd been married more than I knew.

[A]

No.

[B]

And all of his exes were reaching out to me, saying, yes. Finally, Real Talk Kim's gonna take him down.

[A]

You're like, why? Where were you guys at when we were Married. Like, why didn't you guys warn me then?

[B]

They did.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

All right. Oh, girl, they, they. They reached out to me on Facebook. They were like, run. Don't be with this man. He is. He is a devil. And Mimi was like, well, what's going to happen if he's like that? I'm like, well, just get divorced. I wasn't in ministry. I'm just going to keep taking my chances till I find this. This healer that's just going to come in and take care of me. And by this time, my dad's got dementia.

[A]

No.

[B]

You know, so it was like I, I. He was like my savior. He got busted. And, girl, I went by that church, threw that phone down on that sofa. I come back from Biloxi, went straight to that church, and I remember he laid his head down on that desk and said, I knew I was going to get

[A]

no.

[B]

And I was like, it is over.

[A]

I love that you had enough strength, though, to walk away. And you were just like, you know what? No, you're not going to do this anymore. So take me on that journey after you kick Gramps to the curb.

[B]

Well, I started, you know, in this process, too. I wrote books. I wrote seven books.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so there I wrote one last. I wrote the. The one book was Shut Hell up. And that. That year, I released that. And I think that's what gave me the. The courage, girl, was I get sick of people staying in these marriages with these people, because God hates divorce. Right, But God loves the divorcee.

[A]

Isn't there a thing in the Bible, though, that says that when a man is unfaithful to a woman, that, yes, he wants you to leave?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, but that.

[B]

Who cares? Like, even if you're in a marriage, and I get strong for this, Yeah, I get dragged.

[A]

Unhappiness.

[B]

But God doesn't expect you to stay in a relationship where y' all are killing each other.

[A]

Right, Exactly.

[B]

And I think so many of us do that. Why would I stay in a relationship with this man that was not nice to me? You know, pretending that everything was so great and hating my life because I was afraid I was gonna lose my ministry if we got divorced. Cause that was gonna be third.

[A]

And how could you preach to your full potential when you're literally being just drugged down at home?

[B]

Girl, I remember during the pandemic, it was right when the pandemic had started, and I started live at nines, and I did live at nines because he had been busted, said, and he wouldn't get out of my house. And he said, I'm not getting out of that house unless you give me xyz. And I was like, over my dead body.

[A]

I was like, he sounds like a real peach, this guy.

[B]

He was filling his truck up when I was traveling. And I mean, it was bad and it was. The devil was really trying to make me hate.

[A]

Trying to break because I could ruin. Because you were doing the Lord's work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he was coming at you with daggers from every angle. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And I wrote that book Shut Hell up. And I started doing Live at Nines. And you could hear in the back, him slamming cabinets and stuff and then getting up in church and worshiping and stuff. You know what? That was too. That was a trigger from what I'd been raised in. So it was like right before my major push, God puts another pharisaical fake phony in my house. And it was like I had a last encounter of, of Kim. You got to get all that junk off of you. Like you, you. You gotta fall head over heels and stop trying to handle things with your mouth. As I remember, I wrote that book, started doing Live at Nines and. And I did a sermon called Morning Move. And that Morning Move is what caused me to really find that I can preach. It don't matter what I've walked through.

[C]

Through.

[B]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna walk through this. Lost my daddy three months later to dementia. I just. I'd already taken over the church three years before that. So my dad had been, you know, a part of the, like, he got to see transition. He got to see. He was my biggest, my biggest cheerleader. And so I had full redemption on all, all areas. But I. I had written my sixth book, which was so huge for me because I was in special ed my whole life. Life and literally on a short bus. And it was like that six book, Shut Hell up, was me finally speaking out of my mouth. Never again will we allow those triggers. Never again. I'm. Because in the book, I had to break down, what are triggers? Why do we keep falling in love with the same people with different faces? Why do we stay in situations? Because we're afraid of people in a free app. Why do we. And so I was breaking all this down and I was walking through, breaking soul ties, breaking generational curses. So I was walking through it as well.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And in that process, our church just began to explode. I was so fulfilled. My daddy died. I whipped my mama up. My little 72 year old mama that had never lived. She had Literally, for the last five years, taken care of. My dad, like, was a little boy, had no. I mean, he would run away, and we have to go find him. That's how. How bad he was. And I. I saw my mom go into the grief, and I just whipped her up, took her on the road with me, watched her evolve. I watched her write a book at 72, sleeping with a stranger. I watched her glow up. Me and her bow started glowing up.

[A]

You're going up with your mom.

[B]

I sold the house that I was living in in Fayetteville, the first house that I'd ever lived alone. Like, I'd always lived with a man and my husband's. And I lived there for five years by myself.

[A]

Look at you.

[B]

And I just took. Took. Took hold of my life and never looked back.

[A]

You fell in love with yourself. You fell in love with yourself, and you started a relationship with yourself, and you started discovering who you were so that now that you enter into this relationship, you can be a whole.

[B]

Yeah. I remember selling my house, and it was such a scary thing for me because I'm doing all these things women couldn't do for the. For Christianity. And I told God. I was like, man, I just want to. I feel like I want to move downtown and live in a high rise, but why? There's nobody down there. My church is five minutes away. And I said, God, if this is you, because I'm. I'm. I'm now for Jesus. Like, I was in the world, you know, like, we're doing this dog on thing. Like, I ain't scared. I'll start a building tomorrow. I'll start a business, you know? But it's all for good now. And I said, God, if it's your will for me to sell this house, you'll sell it in seven days. And I want to make $250,000. I want all my money back. That man got girl with the first 17 people. That was 17 people walked in that house, and they all put beds on my house.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I walked out of there with more than I'd asked for. And then I had to go downtown and find this house. And I told God exactly what I wanted. I found the exact condo. And five minutes down the road is where I met my husband. I would have never met him if I wouldn't have moved out.

[A]

Can we bring Angelo in? I know you guys don't do a lot of. Get over here. Got a microphone for you, too. You have to come over.

[B]

Y' all hear me? Do y' all hear Me talking about him in church house. Slow loop. Y' all get to witness it.

[A]

That's how my best friend Monica is. She takes forever to get out of the car. I'm like. I start a countdown every time I get out of the car, and I'm already at the door, and I'm like, all right, Mo, you know, like, let's go.

[B]

I love it, cuz.

[A]

Cuz, come on down. We got to put a face.

[B]

Sit as close as you can.

[A]

Yeah, we got to put a face with the name. Name. Oh, yeah. He's over here snoring. He's over here snoring.

[C]

Don't put me to sleep.

[B]

You know what I think that. That what you and I are experiencing with the freedom of just living life and being able to do all these great things. You and Jelly.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You know, is that y' all have. Y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Y' all minister. Don't even know it, but now I know why. Like, it totally makes sense to me. Makes me want to read your book even more.

[A]

Oh, I appreciate that. I downloaded your book last night. I have. I forget which one.

[B]

I got the pink one, whole bag coming.

[A]

Oh, you do?

[B]

I got you, Bible baddie. Yay. I've got you God's girl. Everything from my store is coming.

[A]

I love it. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. We'll get you some merch, too. We're about to drop merch as soon as I'm done with this podcast.

[B]

Where is your book?

[A]

My book comes out February 17th. Now, we pushed it to February 17th, but 20, 27. 6. And we're doing a whole book tour. Like, it's. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be.

[B]

I love it. Angela, this is my sweet Angelo.

[A]

Welcome to the show.

[B]

I love this man. So I met him at. Right down the street.

[C]

Let's just say I replace all three of them.

[A]

No, listen. When you walked in the room, I felt the alpha male energy. I was like, oh, this is Big Papa. Big Papa just walked in. He's got his Louis Vuitton suit on. Like, you guys are just a stylish little couple. I love this so much. And I love how much, because you remind me of me. Anytime I talk about my husband, I just light up and I smile and I just like you. It's like, you can't fake that.

[B]

Like, you're really showed us what we've always wanted.

[A]

Exactly. He's your safe space.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I know this man. Would He.

[C]

He.

[B]

He likes to smoke.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he will. He will Fight for me, you know? And that's why you're like that with

[A]

Jelly Roll, too, because, oh, I'm so protective over him. I go to bed. I'm always in the headlines, too, for sticking up for him. I stuck up for him so much that my husband told me, please stop sticking up for me. He was like, you don't have to do that anymore.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

He's like. He's like, I know you love me. He's like, let people say what they're gonna say. You can't throw it.

[B]

How long y' all been married?

[A]

10. It'll be 10 years in August. So nine years. We've known each other 10 years. Married nine years.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Yeah, he's my baby. So you guys met. Tell me all about this.

[B]

So. So I went out to eat on a Sunday night.

[A]

I love that he's kind of shy.

[C]

Well, it's different from being at home on our podcast because, you know, I kind of take over. So I don't want to just take over, since we did.

[A]

Oh, gotcha. I mean, please take over. We want to hear you talk. I see him rubbing his knee over there. He's a little shy.

[B]

I'm really proud of him because he's come in my world, and I love it. He's killing it, you know?

[C]

I mean, it's kind of like, you know, you like this guy, and you're a guy that's coming from the neighborhood, and we talking on a podcast. My friends talk on podcasts. They talk in sports.

[B]

You've had to learn about Jesus.

[A]

Where are you from? Angelo. Where are you from? Like, what's happening?

[C]

I'm from Jacksonville, Florida.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah. So it's kind of was different than I was just watching her on this podcast, and I was like. And I'll see the. Them talking, her mom and stuff, and. And I came out really kind of in a jumpsuit, all white. I said, I'm ready. You just put me in here. She said, come sit down. I said, you sure? She said, yeah. I said, well, make sure they don't see my socks.

[A]

We can't see your socks here either.

[B]

And that just broke him in.

[C]

And the first thing I saw when I go and look at the podcast was your socks. It's my socks.

[A]

Oh, no. They didn't zoom in.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, whoa.

[A]

I can promise you no socks in this podcast, but I'm fresh today.

[C]

Death. Now you can show me

[B]

I'm fresh

[C]

to death right now. I mean, it's different.

[B]

I love it. I love it. I'm just so thankful, man, that I get to get to love like this.

[A]

I've gotten to hear her, how she feels about you. I want to hear what it was like for you when you first met her, when she.

[C]

We met outside of the garden area, the St. Regents, and she was eating with her brother and his wife. And I heard the voice all the way over here with some guys and let me make a detour. The bathroom behind me. I'm gonna go back this way where I can see what she looked like, because I hear the voice.

[A]

And were you attracted to the voice?

[C]

Yes, I was.

[A]

I loved it.

[C]

Yeah, I was attracted to the voice and stuff. It wasn't like Phyllis Dillis or nothing like this. It wasn't that loud, you know.

[B]

Right. He said I was a little aggressive,

[C]

but I heard the voice. I said, let me kind of go over here and look. Okay. And she got this big patch of Gucci jacket on.

[B]

I made these, you know, I just. This is like, mine. So I had a Gucci jacket.

[C]

She had a whole Gucci sweatsuit. Yeah, okay, well, white girl got a little fresh on. Got a little style. You know, I'm in the Atlanta. Like, you know, we. We see. We see what swag look like.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you guys are swagged out out there.

[C]

Yeah, we see it. So. And I'm hearing the voice, and I say, well, And I walk past. I'm like, okay. Hey, you know, those wings. You know, those wings taste real good. I guess I was kind of, like, dropping my little line. It was like. It was weak and stuff.

[B]

It was weak. I love that, though.

[A]

No, I didn't think that was weak at all. Like, it was weak.

[B]

It worked.

[A]

It would not spin.

[C]

But I'm here. Listen to this. I'm here because her brother. Her brother's here. And I just say, okay. And I just went to the bathroom, and I came back. And, you know, she was like, yeah, they are good. And I'm like, okay. Three months later, now we back at the same place. Friend of mine asked me, hey, you want to hang out? Like, okay, well, yeah, I'm thinking about it, and it was about two hours. He, man, this guy don't stood me up. I'm going on my own now. And I meet him there, and I'm looking at the corner of my eyes, and I'm sitting there. I'm sitting here by this fireplace, and he gets up. Let me go ask him, see if they like the fireplace. And I'm like, why is he messing with these people? And I looked over the corner of my eyes, I can see her. And she turned around and look. And all I see of her face, like, like. And I could read him.

[B]

I was so excited I could read him.

[A]

Had you thought about him after that first initial meeting?

[B]

I never dated a black man in my life.

[C]

Was you.

[B]

All of a sudden I see this black man. Like, yes, I thought of him.

[C]

No, answer the question.

[B]

Yes, he's like, I would. Like, I was raised. No, I was raised though.

[C]

What was you thinking about me?

[B]

And he made me think about.

[C]

Think about me. She said, cuz I only say the win

[A]

you guys had after the wing comment, you guys had never talked. You guys went separate ways.

[B]

I remember telling my brother, I said, that is a good looking man right there. Look how big he is. And I started working out. But I thought, if I'm gonna get somebody like him, I gotta get myself snatched.

[C]

But this is a place. This is a place where, you know, it's a Friday night, people out. You. You see women all the time. You see from Atlanta, housewife, whoever it is.

[A]

Absol.

[C]

From this people there and you get hit on. So I'm used to that type, but I'm used to. I wasn't used to that. It was just kind of like, okay. It was like my little line and it, it must be work. So I saw her face and I'm like, okay.

[B]

And then I scooted.

[A]

Wait, were you selling the tutus and the blonde hair? No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay.

[B]

This was only three years ago.

[C]

Oh, no.

[A]

He said, no.

[B]

So I retired my tutus when I took over our church.

[A]

Okay, gotcha then.

[B]

I'm going to be pastor six years.

[C]

She was, she was kind of like in the Mrs. Brady like type though.

[A]

Like, not like, ah, not the Florence Henderson.

[C]

Yeah, she had a little bit of that going on. So I said, you know, and we started. It was. She's. And so. So actually I got up and my friend, he already on parlay over here.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I got up and I'm like, let me come over here and start stuff. And. And she said, you can, you can sit right here.

[A]

She said Kim was not shy, but

[B]

I was, I was shy.

[C]

She was like, but I wouldn't let

[B]

him get away this time.

[C]

Oh. She said, you can sit right here.

[A]

Like I would call Chachi.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes, Chachi.

[C]

And I was like, okay. I said. And I.

[B]

And I got real. I. I was like, girl, you got to learn how to flirt. Like, I ain't never know how to flirt in my life. But I was like, we can't let him get away.

[C]

Oh, so you must have got.

[B]

And this ain't church.

[C]

And I was asking, I said, well, I guess so.

[A]

You couldn't hide behind the pulpit, the pul.

[C]

I was like, are you. You seem like you tall. You got long legs or something? I don't know.

[B]

I said, yes, I got long legs.

[A]

I love this.

[B]

And then, and then we talked, man, for four hours. Ah.

[C]

And she. We talk. I think we. We talk.

[A]

You.

[C]

You gave me your number. She said, put my number in your phone.

[B]

And then you said, and real talk him.

[C]

I said, you real proud of yourself, eh? Real talk.

[B]

But I knew he'd go find BE

[C]

And I know because I didn't. I didn't worry about social media and stuff. I'm like, I'm. I'm the real deal. When I go outside of this social media, people that go out, people that's on social media come out. They're not the real deal.

[A]

Angela's an og.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

I'm the real deal in live person. No matter if it's. I don't care who's who it is. I'm gonna fit in that room. Yeah. And I'm gonna be the realest one that's in there. No matter what kind of. No matter what they got going on in their life, their bank account is gone. They not real. So I knew. So I. I didn't pay attention to social media, right? I had a business website that I was only brokering high end cars, right. I didn't want to play no games. A dm. I didn't know what a DM was.

[A]

So you didn't give him your number? You only gave him your social.

[B]

My phone number to. He sent me Drew Hill Beauty before I went to bed.

[C]

Look at you.

[B]

And that next morning, he popped on my prayer call and I screamed him.

[C]

I was like, wow.

[B]

He found me real talk. That's why I said, real talk Kim.

[C]

And when I say real talk, Kim,

[A]

what did you think of when you went on social media?

[C]

I was, I got up, I was on her live. And I'm like, I'm hearing people talking. And I'm like, man. Well, it was the. I think I called it the next day after that. And I was like, this is kind of trashy. People talking back and forth, disrespectful. And I woke up that morning and got on the live and they were saying, her nose. I said, man, I told her like that, I love your nose.

[B]

Your nose is so big, it's in me a nose. I like your nose.

[C]

I love your nose. And I'm giving these. So she like, thanks for the heart. So I'm thinking like, let me give some hearts. And I didn't, I didn't know that was taking my money. I didn't know that was taking money out of my bank account.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

He's like, give them back. Give me the hearts back.

[C]

Like all the hearts and stuff. I'm like feeling all the hearts up and stuff. Like a month later I'm looking at,

[B]

man, these things that is so funny.

[C]

Like social media out of Apple. I'm like, what? I ain't bought anything.

[A]

You know what I'm like, I love that.

[C]

I'm like, man, so I don't know if I want to go to her church, cuz these hearts are already getting dispens.

[A]

I already put in offering. This was my offering.

[C]

I'm like, now you know you belong. Hey, for me.

[B]

And then he said he told a friend about a preacher lady he met. And the man said, run, don't you take all your money to me.

[C]

It's like me buying her a drink. I don't gave you my heart. She kind of like belong to me now. If you buy somebody a drink, you know, she like belong to me.

[A]

So. Yeah, I love that. And so it was after that he

[B]

showed up at my church and did not tell me on Sunday. And we were packed. Our church is God really is blessed. So you can't find places to sit.

[C]

Well, she really didn't tell me she was a preacher.

[B]

I did.

[C]

While we were sitting.

[A]

She said I did.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[C]

no, no, no, no. Back up, back up. She didn't tell me she was a preacher.

[B]

Sort of.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I wanted him to light you. I was like, he gonna run if he knows I'm a preacher.

[C]

She just told me, come to her church. Her church, she do it.

[A]

Oh, so you thought you were saying,

[C]

come to my church.

[A]

So you thought you guys were going to be sitting in the pew together? You didn't know that she was going to be the one I've been, I've been invited to.

[C]

A lot of women say, come to my church. It ain't day Church. That's TDJ's church. Right. You didn't even say my dad and someone, someone will tell you my daddy is the preacher.

[A]

Right? Right.

[C]

So I know I ain't going.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Right.

[C]

I ain't dealing with the daddy and the, the pre and the church and he's the pastor, so there's no way. So when I. So I was like, okay, yeah, I'll be there.

[B]

But he did not tell me.

[C]

Yeah, so I'm thinking, like, she said, well, we got probably two services. I said, no, I ain't gonna come to all three of them. Three services.

[A]

Especially after the heart.

[C]

Oh, no, you're getting.

[A]

You're getting limited time, honey.

[C]

So it was something about, you know,

[B]

but when he walked in, when you

[A]

walk in and see her preaching, how does that make you feel? Are you like, oh, oh, my God,

[C]

the church was packed.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Church was packed. Walked in, they greeted me. And I. And I always tell the staff that now I walked in, they greeted me, it was like, man, it's like this church. It seemed like I'm. It seemed like everybody had their eyes on me and stuff. And it's kind of like dark in there too. So you got to think. And these girls was behind me and they was like, can you sit down here? Is it one of some seats there? So I followed them. Okay, well. Well, I'm sitting next to them.

[B]

And he walks up front because we put new seats up here because we were just trying to shove people in. I saw this man walk out, about passed out.

[C]

They thought they had the best seat. And then one of your staff member

[B]

came, cuz I saw you. I was like, oh, no, he got to move.

[C]

They came and got me like, put me over here. Like, I guess I'll see y' all next. Next.

[A]

I'm going to vip.

[C]

I'm going to the vip.

[A]

He said, I'm going to vip, baby.

[C]

I'm going here to the upper room.

[B]

Over here, y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

My mother reached over to me and she goes, who is that? And I said, I've been talking to him. I met him at. At a restaurant. And she goes, kimberly, this is the Super Bowl Sunday of Christianity.

[C]

It was Easter.

[B]

Don't let him distract you.

[A]

I love mom.

[B]

Oh, my God, I love Mom. She's like, don't you let that man distract you. You gotta give him Jesus.

[A]

And did you give him Jesus?

[B]

I get gave him g. I probably preached one of my best ser, don't you think?

[C]

Oh, yeah. It was like she haven't even preached no more since then. Since I was like, are you kidding me?

[B]

Don't you say. But I tell you, this man, he, he.

[C]

We got to go back dating again

[A]

or something, you know, you got to scare her.

[B]

Preach that Sunday.

[C]

Like, he, yeah, Jesus in the Lazarus coming for. And I just saw her and it seemed like the praise team, the drummer Just got louder.

[B]

Boom, boom, boom.

[C]

And she had these.

[B]

I was jumping out of the tube.

[C]

6 inch heels jumping out of the tube.

[B]

You liked it, huh?

[C]

It was so crazy that me and my sister always go.

[B]

I love that.

[C]

Go to this restaurant for Easter.

[A]

I love that he's remembering all these like, little things. Like that is really this.

[C]

It was so crazy that me and my sister always go for Issa to this, this dinner.

[A]

Right?

[C]

And I cancel at the last minute. She called, she said, we still going to dinner? I said, no, I'm thinking I'm just gonna. I don't want to go. So we, I ate dinner with her and her mom on Easter and my sons. Yeah.

[B]

Like, was that not crazy?

[A]

And you guys have been together ever since.

[C]

And now my sister, you know, I don't have time for her anymore.

[A]

You got to just invite sister to the, to the, the part. The dinners now.

[B]

So I would listen. I remember when he started coming and, and my mother, we. Me and my mom were driving to church about a week after that, and she said, kim, I want to tell you something. And I said, what? She said, let this man be him. No, don't you try to change this man, man.

[A]

Mom loved him.

[B]

Loved him. She said, don't you let nobody try to make him a preacher. Don't you make him come to your church. If he wants to come, he can't. When he wants to, he can't. But he is. You let this man just see where it goes.

[A]

Yeah. And let him be.

[B]

And I did. And now he's running the church three years later.

[A]

Look at you. I love this. I love, love and I love happy and, and for you to be her happy ending, you must be something special.

[B]

I'm just so thankful, Bunny.

[A]

Yeah. You know, and I'm sure he's thankful for you too.

[C]

I think the thing is with, with any guy, he want to know what it looked like before he get into it, right?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And any guys that jump into any marriage and they gonna keep jumping into marriage. And I was thinking when I was watching her preach church, I will go watch this pastor that I always used to watch on because this was almost like a year after Covet and people took a while for them to start getting back, going into churches. So I would watch her then I. Well, I was close out, watched it, watch her for a minute. And I always was watching how things was looking right. And now kind of, you know, you're looking on the outside, now you're in the inside. So how do you.

[B]

So he's fixed it all. Everything he thought need to be fixed, he's come in and help fix.

[C]

How do you want to. How you want to better your church and better your community?

[A]

That's a teammate, though. That's two people that can come together. And you can always tell when a couple is good for each other because they evolve and they level up. That's exactly what my husband. Sorry. There's hair flying everywhere for my dog. That's exactly what Jay and I have done in the past 10 years that we've been together. Other is literally, it's. We don't stay the same each year. We level up. You have to. That is so important in a relationship, because when you stay the same, that's when.

[B]

And I feel like it's rare.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I feel like people don't just let their spouses be them. It's like you try to change them.

[A]

No, you can't. You can't do that.

[B]

You got to grow together. And the only way they're gonna grow is that they feel freedom to do that.

[A]

Absolutely. And you want to be a safe space. And you. If you're nagging at a man constantly, or if a man is nagging you. Yeah. Nobody wants to be told that they're doing wrong all the time or that they need to be somebody that they're. They're genuinely not. But when you pour love into that relationship, it just blossoms.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I'm excited for you. And look at us. Look at you guys now.

[B]

I remember he told me, hey. He told me whenever we were dating, it was probably, what, six, seven months? He said, you need to do something to your hair.

[A]

No.

[B]

And I was like, what do you mean? He was like, you need to get a style. And I'm like, I'm white. White people don't get styles. He says, yes, they do. And I remember one day on my prayer call, I said, y' all wigs. What do I do? You know, because I'm in this in between stage. I found out women are the ones that started wigs. White women are the ones that started wigs and extensions.

[A]

Really? I had no idea before any.

[B]

Anybody. Wow. And so I went and got me extensions anyway and glowed up for him. And now I love him.

[C]

It.

[B]

We work out together. I didn't go to a gym.

[A]

T. He's your best friend. You guys are best friends. And that's a huge, huge testament to you guys relationship.

[C]

Well, I figure we. We'll change for each other. It's certain clothes that I probably never even like. I'm not Going to wear that?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I would never.

[B]

Like.

[A]

I love this. I thought when he walked in, I was like, this is something I would wear with heels. Like, I think it's so cute.

[C]

Yeah, I would be.

[B]

I'll send you one of those.

[A]

I love it. I'll.

[C]

I was like, no, I'm not gonna put this on, you know, because I was still just old school with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I was kind of like, man, let. Now. Now when you start feeling it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Then, you know, I kind of just. She. She'll drip some of it. Now I can drip myself. She could drip a little. Then I drip with her. And then I just kind of. She was working out, so now I introduce her. Went to the gym, and she's kind of working out.

[B]

A little girl. I had bat wings. I was like, fat. Just.

[A]

Did you do it all natural or did you use GLP1? Yeah. Good for you.

[B]

But it's been pounds over four years.

[A]

Oh, yeah. No, it's a. Let me tell you something about fat loss. It is a slow process and that nobody tells you.

[B]

And I would do jail, Pete. Look, don't. Don't get me wrong. I'm not.

[A]

I'm about to get on it.

[B]

I don't. I ain't scared of it. I would do it.

[A]

Me, too.

[B]

If I was having trouble, I would do it. So anybody out there struggling? Do what?

[A]

Yeah, do what you need to do.

[B]

Don't let nobody tell you nothing else.

[A]

Angela, I'm so happy you came and sat down with us. You are so sweet, Kim.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

I have held you for what, almost three hours? No, has it been two hours? Almost two and a half hours that we have been talking.

[B]

And so I cut a bunch of that out.

[A]

I could sit here and talk to you forever.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. I could sit here and talk to you forever.

[B]

I told. I talked about stuff I ain't talked about.

[A]

I want you to come back, though, because I didn't get to talk to you about everything. Like, I want to sit down with you and kind of really pick your brain and, like, get questions from people because, you know. Know there's so many people. I feel like God is making a movement on the world right now, big time. And I feel like there's so many people out there that want to change and don't know how.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think maybe if. Maybe we'll come to Atlanta and I'll run a studio and we'll sit down and I'll just pick your brain and we'll just talk.

[B]

We could do it my penthouse. Okay.

[C]

I would love the elementary stuff because we don't. We don't know about half of the stuff happened. She was shying away from this. I wanted. I kind of wanted to hear it. She too.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You're like, you know your childhood and

[B]

I know I don't talk about it because he.

[A]

I kept trying to pull it.

[C]

No, no, no, no. I'm not disrespectful. It doesn't. You're doing a good job.

[B]

Maybe there's something there. No, you.

[C]

You don't. You doing some. When you throwing those daggers like that. And so that's what you want. And it ain't really about who you was married to because they don't define you.

[A]

Not at all.

[C]

But when we. When you pull in. When you pull and say, hey, what happened at 10th grade? What happened. Happened in the sixth grade?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What happened?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I remember it's a lot of women that's fighting. That's hiding it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[C]

There was something there.

[A]

Well, we definitely need a part two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm gonna come out and visit you. Yeah, we'll come to you guys.

[B]

I would love that. And then we can even. Because there's so many people looking for God. And I think it was important for us to tell this part because you can look at my life and see my fruit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Outlives every lie ever.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

And that God. God doesn't write you off. He's waiting for you with arms wide open. He's not a mean God. You and I are proven that to these people.

[C]

Six speed of ten speed.

[B]

And so what six speed or ten speed for what?

[C]

Bicycle that you had when you was a kid.

[B]

Oh, now you're going to try to be a therapist.

[A]

Angela, that's for part two. We're going to sit down with you for part two.

[B]

I'm going get all in it. Cuz I do skip over it. I'm going be. I wouldn't be praying about it.

[A]

Yeah, no. Pray about about it. And when you're ready, let's talk about it. Because it's my job to talk, to try to pull it out of you. But it's also your job to talk about it when you're ready. And nobody can force you to talk about stuff.

[B]

You don't. And I really, really. Oh, I'm not. I'm definitely not afraid to talk about. I think I just. You're right. I think there was just so much that I. So I would definitely talk about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It could have been. It could even have been when we came out of United Pentecostal. And it was a trigger because all of a sudden we could do everything that we were told we couldn't do.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And 250 people walked out of our church. And so that probably was where I just. Well over it.

[A]

I feel like when you're under a thumb and under a microscope at such a young age, also, you get to a point where you just don't. It's daff. You do not give a. And you're just like, let's, let's roll. I'm ready to do whatever I wasn't allowed to do and what I was told not to do. So I think you did what everybody. Every child who has ever had religious trauma.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did. But the cool thing about it is you were able to pull yourself out of it. And look at you now. You've written seven books.

[B]

And my babies work for. I got two sons. They work in church with me.

[A]

I mean, that's amazing.

[B]

Like, everything that should have been horrible, God turned it around, and he'll do it for everybody.

[A]

Tell everybody where they can find you if they want to go to your church. If you have any online stuff that people can watch every Sunday, stuff like that, just shout it all out, y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Listen. Come to. If you live in Atlanta, Georgia Limitless Church, 1653 Highway 85 South, Fayetteville, Georgia, 30215. We're there every Sunday 10 and 11:30. And you are, y', all, everybody come. You are welcome. You're gonna feel so loved. And if you can't make it to Atlanta, into our physical building. It's across from Whitewater High School in Fayetteville. So that's your mile marker. But if you can't make it in the building, we have live streaming on my Real Talk Kim YouTube channel channel every Sunday, 10 and 11:30.

[A]

Yay.

[B]

And so you can watch it. And then you can find me on realtalkcom.com which is my website. And that's. I have a store. I have great books. I got seven great books. Seven books that will help you.

[A]

I wrote one. I can't even imagine writing seven.

[B]

All my books, too, are about getting unstuck. Every single book is giving you.

[A]

You're a savage.

[B]

Listen, get unstuck because of what I just talked about.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've walked through all of that. And every book is about different stuff. Seasons in there.

[A]

I love that. Angela, what about you? Do you have social media?

[C]

Well,

[A]

I love it. Her biggest supporter, he said he don't want people fight.

[B]

He's out with your crazy friends behind him.

[A]

No, you do not. You don't want the interwebs on there. Thank you guys so much for coming today. I appreciate you so much. I love you back and I hope

[B]

we have a podcast.

[A]

Oh, shout that out.

[B]

Podcast. We have a podcast that's on all over all social media is real talk. Kim as well. And he's on there with me.

[C]

That's when they'll find me.

[B]

Yeah, he's on all my podcasts.

[A]

I love it. Thank you guys.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

I love you too. And this is the beginning of a friendship and I'm just so excited to see where it goes. I'm so.

[B]

And I love this. You're little Bible baddie with me now.

[A]

Yeah, I love the Bible baddy. I love that we actually, we want one of my books to be called the Bunny Bible, so.

[B]

Oh, I love it. I love that Bunny Bible.

[A]

A thank you guys for coming and thank you guys for tuning in. Tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.