Season 8: Best Of

Summary

Podcast Summary: Dumb Blonde
Season 8: Best Of
Release Date: January 6, 2025

Host: Bunnie XO
Podcast Description:
Asking the questions others are afraid to. Bunnie XO hosts the Dumb Blonde podcast – the ultimate destination for comedy, trending, and lifestyle. Dive into hilarious discussions about relationships, trauma, embarrassing moments, and all the realness life throws at us. Join Bunnie every week to laugh, relate, and embrace your inner healing.

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1. Aubrey O'Day Discusses Her Struggles in the Entertainment Industry

Timestamp Highlights:

• [03:46] Bunnie XO: "I need to know why and the hell are you not on Patreon?"

• [05:07] Bunnie XO: "You popped my cherry."

• [05:24] Aubrey O'Day: "I'm deeply in this. No interview I've done, I can even discuss how deeply in this world I'm in right now."

Key Discussions: Aubrey O'Day opens up about her tumultuous experiences within the entertainment industry, particularly her relationship with Diddy. She reveals the immense pressure to constantly perform and stay relevant, highlighting Diddy's relentless demand for daily achievements:

[07:00] Aubrey O'Day: "You're only as good as what you did today. Yesterday doesn't matter."

Aubrey delves into the darker side of fame, sharing insights into how the industry's focus on immediate success leads to burnout and emotional strain. She touches upon the rumors surrounding Diddy's alleged involvement in Tupac's death, citing recent revelations:

[10:05] Aubrey O'Day: "Keefe D came forward and said a million dollars was paid to get rid of Pac."

Despite the challenges, Aubrey expresses her determination to break free from industry constraints using platforms like OnlyFans to regain control over her narrative and reject traditional Hollywood pressures.

2. Danny Williamson (Lume) Explores Hashimoto's Thyroiditis and Autoimmune Diseases

Timestamp Highlights:

• [14:00] Bunnie XO: "You brought your book with you. Let's plug that really quick, too."

• [16:34] Aubrey O'Day: "Mimi was actually just diagnosed with Hashimoto's."

Key Discussions: Danny Williamson, a holistic nurse practitioner, provides an in-depth look into Hashimoto's thyroiditis, emphasizing its prevalence as the leading undiagnosed autoimmune disease in the United States. He explains the strong correlation between childhood trauma and the onset of autoimmune conditions:

[16:58] Danny Williamson: "We know that what happens to you before the first 18 years of life can set you up for a lifetime of chronic disease and autoimmune disease."

Danny outlines the importance of addressing root causes such as gut health, diet, and stress management to reverse Hashimoto's. He stresses the significance of eliminating gluten and dairy to reduce thyroid inflammation:

[25:30] Danny Williamson: "Gluten is the number one inflammatory agent for Hashimoto's thyroiditis."

Furthermore, Danny discusses the role of emerging medications like tirzepatide in managing weight and blood sugar, balancing their benefits against potential long-term uncertainties:

[27:21] Danny Williamson: "I think there's a place for it. Absolutely, there's a place for it."

Notable Quote:

[16:34] Danny Williamson: "Hashimoto's thyroiditis is the number one undiagnosed autoimmune disease in the United States."

3. Dolly Parton and Machine Gun Kelly Share Personal Stories and Insights

Timestamp Highlights:

• [95:00] Bunnie XO: "Today I have a triple threat. I don't even know. I think he might be quadrupled threat. But this man needs no introduction. Mr. MGK in the house, baby."

• [100:23] Bunny XO: "What was your interaction with Johnny Cash that night?"

Key Discussions:

Dolly Parton:
Dolly reflects on her childhood and the generational challenges within her family, including her father's struggles with depression and legal issues. She shares her journey towards healing and breaking familial curses:

[70:08] Dolly Parton: "I was born on the 22nd, which is a master number. And the numerology behind mine is a curse breaker."

Dolly emphasizes the importance of forgiveness and understanding, acknowledging the complexities of her relationships and her desire to transcend past traumas.

Machine Gun Kelly (MGK):
MGK recounts his early experiences in the music industry, including his memorable first appearance at the Grand Ole Opry introduced by Johnny Cash. He discusses overcoming stage fright and the relentless drive that fueled his rise to fame:

[99:04] MGK: "I always said my desire to do a thing has always been greater than my fear of it."

MGK also touches upon his personal growth, highlighting the balance between maintaining authenticity and adapting to industry expectations.

Dolly and MGK Interaction:
The dynamic between Dolly and MGK is both heartfelt and humorous. They discuss mutual admiration, shared experiences in the music industry, and the challenges of maintaining personal authenticity amidst fame.

Notable Quotes:

[100:59] MGK: "He says, no, I do some of my best thinking when June's talking. So he does. But I think a whole lot of that might have been so with the Opry, it was just kind of cute when you see a young person doing something."

[95:28] MGK: "I think you do. I think you also kind of can relate, you know, to things more."

4. Mimi Shares Her Journey Through Postpartum and Personal Challenges

Timestamp Highlights:

• [81:10] Bunnie XO: "Are you dating right now?"

• [85:39] Mimi: "It was a dark situation that I can't talk about and I don't really want to, but like..."

Key Discussions: Mimi opens up about her postpartum struggles and the emotional turmoil that followed her breakup. She discusses the societal pressures faced by women in the spotlight, especially when dealing with personal trauma such as postpartum depression and custody battles.

Mimi shares her experience of regaining her mental and emotional strength through various therapies and personal reflections. She highlights the importance of resilience and self-love in overcoming adversity:

[84:53] Mimi: "Change is inevitable. It's the blade that carves itself."

Mimi also touches upon her strained relationship with her ex, detailing how past traumas influence her current relationships and emotional well-being. She emphasizes the necessity of addressing internal issues to foster healthier relationships:

[59:24] Mimi: "Yeah, it was a shame that things ended the way it did. And I'm not gonna bash someone because..."

Notable Quotes:

[85:32] Mimi: "Every experience is an opportunity for change."

[58:38] Demps: "How can you silence this shit, Ron?"

Conclusion: Embracing Vulnerability and Healing

Throughout the episode, Bunnie XO facilitates deep and meaningful conversations with her guests, encouraging vulnerability and authenticity. The discussions revolve around overcoming personal and professional challenges, the impact of trauma on health and relationships, and the pursuit of self-healing and empowerment.

Overall Insights:

• Mental Health and Trauma: The episode underscores the profound effects of childhood trauma on adult health and relationships, highlighting the necessity of addressing these issues for genuine healing.

• Industry Pressures: Guests share candid experiences about the relentless demands of the entertainment industry, emphasizing the importance of self-care and autonomy.

• Resilience and Growth: A recurring theme is the capacity for individuals to grow and transform through adversity, advocating for resilience and proactive personal development.

Final Notable Quote:

[70:58] Bunnie XO: "Anyone that is working through, including myself. I just lost my dad last month, and I know exactly what you're going through..."

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Conclusion:
This "Best Of" episode of Dumb Blonde encapsulates heartfelt and raw discussions on trauma, mental health, and resilience. Bunnie XO skillfully navigates conversations with her diverse guests, providing listeners with relatable insights and inspiring stories of overcoming adversity. Whether it's delving into the complexities of the entertainment world with Aubrey O'Day, understanding autoimmune health with Danny Williamson, or exploring personal growth with Dolly Parton and Machine Gun Kelly, the episode offers a rich tapestry of experiences that resonate deeply with the audience.

Notable Reminders:

• Follow Bunnie XO weekly for more authentic and engaging discussions.
• Embrace your inner healing and relate through shared experiences.

Transcript

[Bunny]

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[Aubrey O'Day]

I love that line.

[Bunny]

I think you should do it for me.

[Aubrey O'Day]

What's up, you sexy motherfuckers?

[Bunny]

Yeah, baby. None other than the Queen. Ms. Aubrey O'Day in the house, baby.

[Aubrey O'Day]

Oh, thanks. From one queen to another queen.

[Bunny]

Wait, can we just stand up and see this outfit? Oh, my God, please, Like, we gotta appreciate this outfit. She walked in and I was like, what? Like, so cute. Look at her.

[Danny Williamson]

She's so.

[Bunny]

Yeah, baby.

[Mimi]

Ow.

[Bunny]

I love this. You look so good.

[Aubrey O'Day]

Always like, playing it down on the podcast because you're just really not supposed to do the most on podcast.

[Bunny]

I mean, but why? Who's.

[Aubrey O'Day]

So Nashville at your new studio? Like, I can't not do it different this time.

[Bunny]

First guest. Baby, you popped my cherry. Yes. I love that. First guest in the new studio.

[Aubrey O'Day]

I'm trying to think if I've ever popped a cherry before. I don't think that might be my first.

[Bunny]

I think I got paid one time to pop a cherry. Really? Yeah. Back in a previous life, there was a. There was a guy who. Wait, can you pop a guy's cherry? I mean, he. A virgin in his butt or like, I mean, cherry. I mean, hypothetically. Hypothetically speaking, he was A virgin and.

[Aubrey O'Day]

Oh yeah, I've had text with a virgin.

[Bunny]

Yeah. So you've popped cherries?

[Aubrey O'Day]

I popped cherry. I didn't think of it as a pop cherry, but yeah.

[Bunny]

So, you know, you go into this, this TV show and of course, you know, you've been very vocal about how Diddy treated you guys and what has happened with you guys and stuff like that. But through all these interviews that I have watched with you, there's a side of you that still protects him a little bit. Have you ever realized that?

[Aubrey O'Day]

Oh God, girl, I. I'm deeply in this. No interview I've done, I can even discuss how deeply in this world I'm in right now.

[Bunny]

No, I mean, he's in some. These, these.

[Aubrey O'Day]

Yeah. But I mean, I know, I know, I know way more than anyone realizes and I can't talk about anything right now.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Aubrey O'Day]

And so I'm like busting at the seams and I'm wanting to tell everybody every day what occurs. There are things that are developing that will, you know, allow eventually a voice to be had and I will have my mother fucking voice had. I just can't do it right now. And that's very hard for me. Cause I'm very much in the stage of I don't care about playing any industry games. Onlyfans has given me the freedom to say no to doing anything. I don't have to take a show, I don't have to get a show. I don't have to sell Hollywood anymore.

[Bunny]

Right. Fuck em, right.

[Aubrey O'Day]

I've always felt that way, but I've had to smile and tap dance for them for most of the time. I fucking hated most of my managers and agents. Most of them workhorse you and then put you down when the work isn't coming in, tell you that you're overexposed and to go sit back for a while. And for people that are used to. You were workhorsing me last year.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Aubrey O'Day]

You enjoyed all the paychecks I brought you. So you see how disposable you are.

[Bunny]

You're only as good as your last performance.

[Aubrey O'Day]

All of it. Diddy taught us. I remember like when we first went platinum, he brought our platinum plaques out at Madison Square Garden. We were on Christina Aguilera's tour. And the next day we walk in the studio and all of us were like beaming and we were like, holy shit. I mean, even the first time we heard our song on the radio, it was like a huge moment for us. And we walked in and met Diddy with what the fuck Are you bitches smiling about? We got platinum albums at Madison Square Garden last night. Like, holy shit. And he'd be like, yeah, that was yesterday. What the fuck have you done today? And I realized what you just said was the mentality, you're only as good as what you did today. Yesterday doesn't matter. The whole fucking career I've built right now at this moment in entertainment, I used to build ships of my career. As if one day I'm gonna get to the top of this mountain and look down and be like, wow. I have been on, starred on Broadway. I have two double platinum albums and many more that I've written, produced. I know how to shoot music videos. Then I taught myself how to be an editor and use all of the. I mean, I can go on after effects. I mean, I did all of our music videos and done Blonde, edited all of them, shot all of them. Got a USC kid to get me a red camera. Went on YouTube for two days and learned every trick you can do with no money and then did it to make it look like you have a million dollar budget. And I've had been on hinge dates with people that are like the heads at Sony and Paramount. And they're like, this looks was like, what a million dollar budget? And I'm like, try 500. And we l literally took the projector back to Walmart. All these black walls, green wall, white wall. That was my house. We painted them and then got in front of it.

[Bunny]

Like, well, you're a hustler. You make shit happen. Yeah. You don't wait around for stuff to come to you. You go and no.

[Aubrey O'Day]

And I love, I love the creation part. But with all of that being said, I look, I come back from Bali now, none of that matters. Reputation doesn't even matter anymore. I didn't do so many things in my career because of reputation's sake. Even the Don Trump Jr stuff. When that came out, I mean, I remember my entire team that was with me being like, this is devastating for you. You won't work again. You took somebody's husband is how they presented it in the press. And all I had done for years was fight with Michael Cohen to keep it out of the press and to never have anyone see it. It was not expected. So when it all dropped, it was so overwhelming. And now it's like, cool to take somebody's husband.

[Mimi]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

It's crazy. Yeah. Attention. Let's circle back.

[Demps]

Horrible.

[Bunny]

Let's circle back to the Diddy thing because there's a lot of people who Might be listening. Who? Maybe if they live under a rug. Don't know who you are. And so you're even Diddy.

[Aubrey O'Day]

Don't know who Diddy is. I walk into my only fans company and they're like, who's Diddy? I'm like, really?

[Bunny]

Yeah. No, that's crazy.

[Aubrey O'Day]

Old as.

[Bunny]

I've always wanted to ask you this question.

[Lume]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Do you think Diddy had something to do with Tupac's death?

[Aubrey O'Day]

I think you'll find out soon. I mean, we're already finding out, right? Keefe D came forward and said what? He said he was in the car during the shooting that murdered Tupac. So he probably could tell you even better than I can. They arrested him. He said what it was. He just had a whole breakout in the middle of court, like, last week, telling everybody that Diddy paid him a million dollars to get rid of Pac.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Aubrey O'Day]

Is what he's saying.

[Bunny]

I. I feel that Diddy got rid of Pac and Biggie and maybe others as well. Yeah. And does it scare you how, you know, now that you are speaking out so openly and people are actually seeing that?

[Aubrey O'Day]

Mind you, I'm not being open at all because I can't. But I appreciate you saying that.

[Bunny]

No, no. But now that you're speaking out as much as you can and you're, like, trying to open up the flow, what you are were the forerunner of really kind of exposing Diddy. You've always done it very tastefully and tactfully, though.

[Aubrey O'Day]

When had to bitch. He could. He was.

[Bunny]

That was my next question. Like, does that scare you that you could possibly end up on one of these missing person lists because of Diddy?

[Aubrey O'Day]

You know, I've. I was asked that on a podcast, and everyone was like, oh, God, fuck this girl. Tell us what you know or fuck off. Like, this mentality of, like, we want it now and like, God forbid, like, I should just go on a podcast and tell the whole world what I know right now and what's happening behind the scenes versus, I don't know, like, somebody who could do something about it and create justice, which is what anyone that's got a story should be doing right now.

[Bunny]

Absolutely.

[Aubrey O'Day]

So it's like. It's puzzling to me when people, like, come at me so hard, but, I mean, fuck every.

[Bunny]

What Everybody thinks this is your life. Nobody has to live in your shoes.

[Aubrey O'Day]

No, we just have to deal with the annoyances of people's fucking opinions bothering our days sometime times.

[Bunny]

Yeah, No, I get it. Trust me.

[Aubrey O'Day]

I mean, everyone always acts like, oh, I don't care what people say. Listen, we are forced to see it now, whether we like it or not. We are likely going to see one of the Kardashians per day on our Instagrams. If we go on it, you are going to see a Kardashian every day for the rest of your life. Unfortunately, we all are because they pop up on the Instagram on everyone's phone daily.

[Bunny]

Do you still have a relationship with Kim because you guys used to be friends, right?

[Aubrey O'Day]

Yeah. Best friends. No.

[Bunny]

What happened there? Because you go. How do you go from being best friends with somebody to not?

[Aubrey O'Day]

That's a hard one for me because they're more powerful and can make things happen more than Diddy. So I don't know that I should get into all of that, but today I have your.

[Bunny]

I have you guys's. And my favorite holistic nurse practitioner, Ms. Danny Williamson in the house, baby.

[Lume]

So glad to be here. So excited. Long overdue, dude.

[Bunny]

Last episode we had went bonkers. Everybody is obsessed with you.

[Lume]

Really?

[Bunny]

Oh, yeah. They love you. They love you. They love your hair. They love your aura. They love your spirit. They love it all like that. We. You are probably one of the most requested comeback guests that I have.

[Lume]

I had no idea. Well, thank you. Well, you know, I'm a common sense, practical medicine, country kid, right. From Gilbertsville, Kentucky, who just happens to have done pretty well.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Lume]

You know, I'm so proud of you as a nurse practitioner. It's common sense, right? Yeah, a lot of it is.

[Bunny]

Yes. I'm so proud of you. If. For those of you who want to know Danny's entire story, we did that the last time she was on the podcast, so you can go check out that episode. This episode is gonna. We're gonna really, like, dive into some things. Like a lot of you guys on my Pat Asked questions, I have questions for Danny. There's things Danny wants to talk about, so we're gonna talk about a lot of it. And, Danny, you brought your book with you. Let's plug that really quick, too.

[Lume]

Yes, yes.

[Bunny]

Wild and well, it's a great book.

[Lume]

It is, isn't it? It's common sense, practical medicine. I wrote it so that everyone from a country kid to a Harvard educated person could read it and say, whoa, whoa. If I was born healthy, I don't have to live sick, and I can turn this around. And I am living proof after turning around 24 years of chronic lifestyle diseases, that you can turn anything around.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Lume]

Right. It's very simple, but it's not easy as you know.

[Bunny]

Yeah, you have to really want like I feel like a lot of people are like, I just want to feel better, I want to get better. But then when they're given the protocols, people don't want to put the work in. It's almost like they want their health to magically heal on their own without doing the work.

[Lume]

It's exactly right. Because body nature, you know, we, we are pretty. We want things the easy way. Well, this is not easy. It's not easy. It's real simple though. Garbage in equals garbage out, right? For, for me, you have to heal the gut, you have to eat well, sleep well, move well, poop well, de stress well, you need to commune well. But for me, after seeing doctors for 24 years, I also had to address the childhood trauma. And most of my patients do. And actually my patients healing has gone through the roof once I learned about childhood trauma. Well, you and I have talked about this for hours. And when the body definitely keeps score and for me, it manifested itself in the gut. Many of my patients though, it manifests itself in the thyroid. Because this is your fifth chakra here, this is your voice. And many of these women, mainly I see women, many of these women who had childhood trauma, they lose their voice or they feel like they don't have a voice. So they have thyroid issues, thyroid cancer, thyroid nodules, Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And this is your voice. And once we get their voice back and we get their thyroid working better and we address the trauma, it's amazing to watch these patients lives just blossom.

[Bunny]

Mimi was actually just diagnosed with Hashimoto's.

[Lume]

Mimi, really?

[Bunny]

Where's the microphone?

[Lume]

That's my focus. That's what I do.

[Bunny]

Where's your microphone, Mimi?

[Lume]

Yeah, it's the number. Hashimoto's thyroiditis is the number one undiagnosed autoimmune disease in the United States because it is an autoimmune disease. Right. It's an autoimmune disease of the thyroid. And I don't have Hashimoto's. My trauma, my childhood trauma manifested itself in irritable bowels.

[Bunny]

I think that's my problem, which we'll talk about. But I definitely want to get into the Hashimoto's thing because Mimi, if you have any questions for her. But I do know that like online a lot of people are being diagnosed with this and I never even knew about it. So I want you to kind of dive in about Hashimoto's, but also about the link from childhood trauma into Autoimmune disease. Can we start there?

[Lume]

Yeah, absolutely. So we know that there's a huge link between childhood trauma and autoimmune disease. And I think. I don't remember the statistics off the top of my head on autoimmune disease with it, but. But if you have a childhood, an ACE, an adverse childhood experience score of 4 or more, you have a 1200% more greater likelihood of dying by suicide.

[Bunny]

Can you believe that? Yeah. What test is this?

[Lume]

That's the ACE questionnaire, the adverse childhood experience questionnaire. The 10 question test that we did on the very first visit with you. And it talks about trauma, talks about physical abuse, mental abuse, abandonment. It's 10 questions not perfect. Developed by the CDC and Kaiser Permanente out in California and addressing what happens to you before the first 18 years.

[Mimi]

Right.

[Lume]

So we know that what happens to you before the first 18 years of life can set you up for a lifetime of chronic disease and autoimmune disease. And you set a score. Drug addiction.

[Bunny]

And you set a score of how much or higher.

[Lume]

Four or higher sets you up for 1200% higher rate of suicide, 390% higher rate of pulmonary lung disease. 200 to 400% higher rate of drug use. Greater than six, which. I'm a six. You have a decreased lifespan by 20 years. And the list goes on and on and on. And it's not a perfect test. And it's in the book. Like, I have it in the book, but you can also get it online for free. It's a good starting point for your childhood because I spent 24 years seeing doctors. I know you've spent years seeing doctors. No one ever asked me, danny, what happened to you before the age of 18? It's not normal to poop your pants every time you eat. Almost. To have to know where the bathroom is at every. Every restaurant that you go to. That's not normal. Something's going on. And again, you know, I grew up with a child molester for a stepfather, one that beat me up. My mother was mentally ill. My grandfather died by suicide. That's not uncommon. I mean, we know that 67 to 75% of the population have this kind of childhood trauma.

[Bunny]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like everybody has some sort of childhood trauma. Even if you had the quote unquote.

[Lume]

Perfect, it's very rare that I get someone come in the office and they say, oh, yeah, my childhood was phenomenal, Danny. I'm just here, just check my labs. I feel great or whatever. I mean, very rare. Do I have Someone who said, yeah, I had the Mayberry childhood. Very rare.

[Bunny]

So childhood trauma manifests into autoimmune disorder. Well, it manifests into tons of things in your body. I. Everybody on the podcast knows, have a problem with pooping. I cannot poop to save my life.

[Lume]

So you went the opposite way, right? You didn't open up like I did, like, chronic diarrhea. You clamped down. Constipation.

[Bunny]

My butthole puckered.

[Lume]

Your butt hole puckered because you never knew.

[Mimi]

I love that.

[Lume]

I'm sure my nurse practitioner at school's like, oh, my Lord, Danny, this is not medical. But your butthole puckered, whereas mine opened up. Right? I mean, because you never knew when the trauma was going to happen. Right? And you hold on. You hold on to that, and it's fascinating. And I went to on site, you know, I went to on site for a week and spent a week at onsite doing intense trauma therapy. And that took my healing to a whole nother level. But again, everyone manifests their trauma into something different. But the thyroid is a huge one for women. Huge for women.

[Bunny]

And that is Hashimoto's, right.

[Lume]

Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And women have autoimmune disease eight to 10 times more than men do. Eight to 10 times. Now, we are also the most toxic, right? The lotion, the makeup, the hair color, the tampons. Tampons are a huge problem for women.

[Bunny]

And we've been screaming this, and now it's finally viral on TikTok every day.

[Lume]

Just had a study come out. Yes, with the lead in it and heavy metals in it. And we've been talking about this for years. You and I have. And. And I didn't know that. I put Roundup in bleach in my vagina for 35 years. I had no idea. I have a great education.

[Bunny]

I wear diapers now. I wear diapers now.

[Lume]

I have another patient who wears diapers.

[Bunny]

I love it. I love it. I will fucking diaper it up no matter fucking how heavy I am. You can wear, like, you know how the pad you used to go through pads. And I would go through. Because I'm heavy, I would go through multiple, multiple pads. Diapers. I literally, literally go through, like, maybe three. My entire period.

[Lume]

Are you serious?

[Bunny]

Yes.

[Lume]

Well, I never got an opportunity to try the diaper situation. And I also never got an opportunity to use a menstrual cup.

[Bunny]

I know. Those always freaked me out, because anything that goes inside of me hurts me. So I've never was brave enough to do it. Tampons even hurt me.

[Lume]

Really?

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Lume]

Well, tampon. Tampons. I can see why. Because again, we know toxic or cotton is one of the most toxic crops in the United States. It has more glyphosate sprayed on it than pretty much any other crop. And then they take that Roundup ready cotton you're getting ready to put in your vagina for decade after decade, and they bleach it with Clorox Bleach. Clorox bleach and Roundup in your vagina. And you wonder why you have heavy periods and cramping and clotting and PCOS and endometriosis and just can't get out of the bed. So a cup, a menstrual cup. My patients swear by a menstrual cup. I never got to use it. I don't know, I think it takes a minute to get it right. But again, autoimmune disease in women is a. It's a toxic burden. And I tell women this. I wasn't born with lupus, which I have. I wasn't born with fibromyalgia. Say you had Ms. Or you weren't born with Ms. Or you weren't born with rheumatoid arthritis. We turn that on. Turn that on. And that through decades of dysfunction, most people do. Now, there's a genetic component to it, right? But as a rule, it's allostatic load. And just like with Mimi, I don't know the reason for the Hashimoto's, but, you know, there's probably decades of stress and maybe bad food, I don't know, perfume, makeup, all the things you put in your thyroid. Look what you do for a living, right? We're breathing in this nose or through the nose. Here's the nose, here's the thyroid. There's a proximity issue to these chemicals as well. And so it's like the straw that broke the camel's back. It just builds up. Builds up. I tell patients it's not the one time you drive through chick fil A and eat a chicken sandwich, right? It's the decades of driving through fast food, food or, you know, chronic stress. And then it builds up and boom, it tips over and it's like herding cats, trying to get them all back in, trying to get it all back together. And it's difficult. I know I spent 24 years seeing doctors, 10 doctors before a doctor looked at me and said, what are you eating? You know?

[Bunny]

And is there a way to reverse Hashimoto's?

[Lume]

Cause I absolutely.

[Bunny]

I've Been studying for Mimi to try to figure out, like a. Something we could do, but I wanted to wait till.

[Lume]

This is my specialty.

[Bunny]

What was the first thing I told you?

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah, she goes, you're going to see Danny like it's happening.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Lume]

We reverse it every month in the office. And I get patients who come in, who their endocrinologists. Tell them, oh, there's nothing you can do about it. We don't ever need to check your thyroid antibodies again. You're never gonna be able to lower those antibodies. So what happens with Hashimoto's thyroiditis? You have these thyroid antibodies that, quote, unquote, it's attacking the thyroid, Right. Like with me, with lupus. It attacks my joints and so. But it's really not attacking it, but it's an inflammatory response. Hashimoto's thyroiditis, vasculitis, thyroiditis, gastritis, colitis. Itis means inflammation. So it's an inflammatory response where the thyroid is inflamed. Right. Not the prostate, not the joints. It's the thyroid that's inflamed. So you cool it down just like you do any other autoimmune disease. Right. And yes, you can reverse it. Yes, you can bring those antibodies down. What's the number one trigger for. For Hashimoto's? Food wise, number one trigger for Hashimoto's to. To raise those antibodies up.

[Bunny]

Gut health.

[Lume]

Well, gluten. Gluten, number one food. Yes. Well, your gut health. Yes. Gluten is the number one inflammatory agent for Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I feel like gluten, Gluten cross reacts with those thyroid antibodies, creating an inflammatory response in that thyroid. So the first thing that you do as a patient of mine, in any book you read on Hashimoto's, you cut gluten out immediately. And your doctors will say, there's no research on that. That's bullshit. There are decades of research, Mimi, on gluten and thyroid and dairy. And thyroid gluten and dairy. I ask my patients to go gluten and dairy free, to start bringing down the inflammatory response in the thyroid. And we watch those thyroglobulin antibodies come down and those thyroid peroxidase antibodies come down. So your people who are listening, if they're just getting a TSH checked, a thyroid stimulating hormone checked, they need a new provider because that's only like one fifth of the labs that you need checked to check your thyroid properly. Oh, TSH free T3, free T4, which we check on you all the time. Right. Those are my favorite thyroid hormones that are circulating around. They're active. And then your thyroid peroxidase antibodies and your thyroglobulin antibodies. Not everybody has both of those positive for Hashimoto's, but 90% of the people who have Hashimoto's have a positive thyroid.

[Bunny]

Peroxidase antibody that segues into my next thing about. What is it called? Tirzepatide. I'm thinking about doing tirzepatide because I want to lose a couple pounds, but I also want to regulate my blood sugar. How do you feel about semaglutide, tirzepatide and all that stuff on the spot?

[Lume]

All right. I think there's a place for it. Absolutely, there's a place for it. And it has changed many of my patients lives. I'm not prescribing it. I'm doing a tiny bit through a compounding pharmacy here for a few people. That's sublingual. So it's under the tongue. It's not an injection.

[Bunny]

I want to microdose it. I don't want to do it.

[Lume]

Well, it's microdosing it. So I just barely started it. And it's been several years, right, that this has been popular because I really feel like you need to know exactly what you're doing. I didn't have time, honestly. My mom is dying and all, but no, my gynecologist, I went in there the other day to see her. She looks unbelievable. And she told me, she said, we're doing tirzepatide. Tirzepatide, Danny. And she said, I would highly recommend you get into it. And I said, okay. So she was telling me that, you know, all the benefits and how her patients. Not everyone, not everyone's a candidate for it.

[Bunny]

Right.

[Lume]

But the blood sugar regulation, benefits of that. Now, do we have long term studies on all of this to see? No, we don't.

[Bunny]

No. And that's what scares me because I've been doing a ton of research, which.

[Lume]

Is why I haven't done it yet with patients.

[Bunny]

I know. I'm waiting for you to hop on the horn.

[Lume]

I know, I know. But then I. Yes, yes. But I think that that's. That's a really great one. I mean, I've got patients on. I mean, they're on everything from metformin to wegovy to the one that right.

[Bunny]

Now that I've read so many bad things about metformin and the side effects.

[Danny Williamson]

I was on it for a long time. I mean, not even I can, you Know, I take that back. It wasn't long long because I couldn't handle it. I literally had to come to my doctor and said, you're killing me.

[Lume]

Diarrhea. Was it diarrhea?

[Danny Williamson]

I mean, everything. It was coming out of every hole. I was, like, literally becoming. I was becoming, like. To the point that, like, I made myself sick because I couldn't even drink a glass of water without it just coming somewhere.

[Lume]

Oh, God.

[Danny Williamson]

And so they were like, okay, well, we'll try you on the slow release. Okay, now take it at this time. Now try this. We'll put you on the lowest. I was on the lowest dose on the, like, slow release of it. It still could not keep anything within my body.

[Lume]

Then it's not your thing.

[Danny Williamson]

Exactly. And so I hadn't been on anything until recently. I did go on triazepatide, and I can handle it. I can fully handle it.

[Lume]

I hear great things about tris. I do.

[Bunny]

Do you know the difference between. What's the difference between semiglutide, ozempic and triazepatide? Isn't it all the same thing? Okay. Okay, Gotcha.

[Danny Williamson]

Hormone receptors. It's what it's blocking. So that's why they're using trisepatide for addicts, because it blocks two hormone receptors versus the semaglutide only stops one of them.

[Bunny]

Right.

[Danny Williamson]

So like, people who are addicted to, you know, they put them on the suboxone a lot of the times.

[Lume]

Yes.

[Danny Williamson]

Instead of Suboxone, they're trying to trisepatide because it does. And I will be honest. I was on the semicolonide to begin with. I could still feel some of my food noise. Triazepatide. Zero.

[Lume]

Yeah. I have a patient who went out to LA and is on at Manjaro the same thing. And she said it. It completely took away the food noise in her. And I didn't think she needed to lose any weight. Anyway. She looks fantastic. And she said, you know, she'll start weaning off of it now. But here's where I. Here's where I'm still skeptical on so many. So much of this is. You have to change the root cause to whatever's going on with you once we stop this. Right. Are your portion. Where your portion size is too big? Were you eating too many carbs? Right. Were you not eating enough protein? Were you not exercising? Was your stress level through the roof? Right. Are you not sleeping at night? I mean, I think sleeping is almost equally as important as your diet. You know? Are you Eating real food. Are you still driving through, you know, fast food and you're getting your food out of somebody's window? Well, that's not real food. So we have to change all the emotional things that go on around food once we stop this, once you stop your GLP1, whatever it is you're taking and. And I don't know that everyone's doing that. So I'm worried about people losing a tremendous amount of weight, which you don't have a tremendous amount of weight to lose. You don't have a tremendous amount of weight to lose, but then gaining more weight back because you didn't fix the root cause.

[Bunny]

Well, I do all of those things.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Yes, you do.

[Bunny]

But my thing is I want to lose about five to ten pounds, but I also want to. I feel like I've hit a plateau. I'm sitting at in between 155 and 160 and I've been here since January. That wild year. Yam cream.

[Lume]

Yes.

[Bunny]

Everybody has all of these great reviews about wild Yam Cream that me up. You know, I'm always going to be honest about it. It did not do good for me. Like, it literally, it made me feel terrible. And it also made me like, now that I've gotten off of it, I've been off of it probably about three months. I am the skinniest and tightest on my period and anytime any was the minute I'm off my period, I'm swollen, I feel inflamed, like I hate it. It like has made me reverse. We gotta talk about this on the podcast. We're just wasting all this great material because we're not getting started. Ready? Okay. Oh, hello. Hi. When was the last time you needed to go to a doctor but you pushed it off, made the excuse of I'm too busy, it'll heal on its own, I don't need help. I think we've all been there. Booking a doctor appointment can just feel so daunting. But thanks to ZocDoc, there's no reason to delay. They make it so easy to find and book a doctor who's right for you. ZocDoc is a free app and website where you can search and compare high quality in network doctors and click to instantly book an appointment. We're talking about booking in network appointments with more than 100,000 doctors across every specialty from mental health to dental health, primary care to urgent care, and more. I don't know about you guys, but when I'm sick, the last thing I want to do is get dressed, get in my car and drive to a doctor. If I can do it from the comfort of my own home, which is what I do, you bet your buttons I'm going to do it. Stop putting off those doctor's appointments and go to zoc.com bunny to find and instantly book a top rated doctor today. That's z o c d o c dot com bunny b u n n I e zocdock.com bunny are you ready to jump start your health in 2025? Lumen can help Lumen is the world's first handheld metabolic coach. It's a device that measures your metabolism through your breath, and on the app, it lets you know if you're burning fat or carbs and gives you tailored guidance to improve your nutrition, workouts, sleep, and even stress management. All you have to do is breathe into your Lumen first thing in the morning and you'll know what's going on with your metabolism, whether you're burning mostly fats or carbs. Then Lumen gives you a personalized nutrition plan for that day based on your measurements. You can also breathe into it before and after workouts and meals so you know exactly what's going on in your body in real time. And Lumen will give you tips to keep you on top of your health game. Because your metabolism is at the center of everything your body does, optimal metabolic health translates to a bunch of benefits, including easier weight management, improved energy levels, better fitness results, better sleep, etc. It can also track your cycle as well as the onset of menopause, and adjust your recommendations to keep your metabolism healthy through hormonal shifts so you can keep up your energy and stave off cravings. So if you want to take the next step to improving your health, go to Lumen. Me slash Bunny B U N N I e to get 20 off your lumen that is l u m e n.me/bunny for 20 off your purchase. Thank you Lumen, for sponsoring this episode. Oh, what's up you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Down Below Blonde. We were just sitting here, I'm yelling at my crew because I'm like, time A was testing everything, making sure everything was perfect, and I was just like, we're just sitting here just spilling the beads to each other because I like to have authentic reactions for everything. Ask anybody on my team. Ask anybody who comes over as a guest. Don't talk to me, don't tell me anything until these mics are on. And so they were like bringing up funny points and Anyways, it's the day after Thanksgiving, and I'm working. I'm so thrilled to be here. As long if I'm sure you guys can tell and hear it in my voice that I got a lot of sleep last night.

[Danny Williamson]

You. You screamed and shook your ass all Thanksgiving, bro. A lot of karaoke. I'm actually proud.

[Bunny]

I didn't do a lot of karaoke. I joined in, but I. I. From afar, you were.

[Danny Williamson]

That's what I'm saying, dude. Every time I turned around, you were shaking it.

[Bunny]

I mean, I was having a shuffle.

[Danny Williamson]

Off on the side.

[Bunny]

I was having fun, man. Thanksgiving is our time to let loose.

[Danny Williamson]

Yes. It was a good one.

[Bunny]

We did another annual D4 Thanksgiving last night, and the house was full. We had probably, like, what? How many people do you think were there?

[Danny Williamson]

Oh, gosh. Like, I feel like it comes in, like, waves.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

So, like, throughout the night, I would say, like, 50 to 60 people got real full.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

At one point, you couldn't even move around. But then, like, people come and go. Like, you kind of have, like, the elders in the beginning.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

Like, the day kind of. The night progresses. The party starts. No one Dolph came out.

[Bunny]

It was like, yeah, yeah. When? Yeah. As soon as the rap started, Bailey broke out the rap way early. She did the Kendrick Lamar.

[Lume]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Yeah. And I was like, that's my girl.

[Mimi]

You know, I was like, go, baby girls killing it.

[Bunny]

No, she was really good. She's baby. She's little baby roll. She can wrap her ass off.

[Danny Williamson]

Yes, absolutely. The glorilla was my favorite.

[Bunny]

Yeah, she can rap, but. Yeah, I know. I love doing the D. Ford family Thanksgiving because it's really been a tradition that we started, and Bailey looks forward to it every year. There's so many times she came up to me last night, and she was like, mom, I. I love Thanksgiving here. Like, she went to Thanksgiving at her other family's houses, and she was texting me, I can't wait to come and do our Thanksgiving, you know, So I. I even told Jay because, you know, Jay had to perform at the Dallas Cowboys game, so we had to push it back this year. And we were contemplating not doing it, and I just looked at him, and I was like, baby, I love you. You gotta go do your thug fizzle. But Thanksgiving is so important to Bailey, and I want to make sure that we, you know, keep this tradition going just for her, because, I mean, we've only got her for, like, what, one more Thanksgiving, and then she's gonna be in college.

[Danny Williamson]

Oh, my God, don't make me cry.

[Bunny]

It's crazy.

[Danny Williamson]

You guys are like the Heidi Klum of Thanksgiving.

[Bunny]

Yeah, I love it without the red carpet.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah. It's like an honor to be invited to this Thanksgiving.

[Bunny]

Yeah. It gets bigger each year.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

People wise too.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The names just keep getting crazier and crazy.

[Bunny]

Yeah, I love it. But you know what's so fun is nobody took out their phone last night to do a tick tock. Not one person tried to like take advantage of the moment. Nobody selfied it up. Like everybody just had fun. I still haven't even posted about Thanksgiving, so unlike us, you know, like, I don't know. I just think we just are starting in the moment. Last night we did live in the moment. And I think what's happening also is that we're starting to cherish our private moments moments because, you know, we don't get a lot of them because we share so much of ourselves with everybody that it's like when we do get those private moments, it's just like, oh, this is. This is beautiful. This is what family and friends is all about.

[Danny Williamson]

So, yeah, most definitely there. There are like a few videos out there, but like the night was like. So consisted of us just laughing.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

And I really forgot to record a lot because I was just so.

[Bunny]

Well, you started drinking tequila jello tequila shots at 4pm yeah, to you made.

[Danny Williamson]

She made the cutest pumpkin pie. Jello shot but orange. It's like pumpkin pie but with tequila.

[Bunny]

Oh, wait, hold on, hold on. I got something for you. Hold on.

[Danny Williamson]

Oh, I know what's about to be pulled up.

[Bunny]

You don't know what's about to be pulled up. You don't. Yes, I do. Okay. Are you willing video at losers? No. Are you willing to make a wager on it?

[Danny Williamson]

I don't feel like she is. No.

[Bunny]

How much you want to bet? Real quick, since you know what I'm about to pull up $50. Let's bet one month's salary.

[Danny Williamson]

Okay.

[Bunny]

No. All right, ready? This many pumpkin pies. Pumpkin pies with tequila. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were gonna pull up the other video. Oh, we could, but I mean, we could talk about it. Let's talk about it. So. So Bridgestone was Papa Bear's last show and it was phenomenal. There was Snoop Dogg, Post Malone, Morgan Wallen, Ernest. Kelsey Ballerini was there. John B. Who?

[Danny Williamson]

John B.

[Bunny]

Bring it home, John B. I love them. I love them. I think Kelsey Ballerini and her dude Chase are so freaking cute. Like, they Are genuinely in love. Like, genuinely. They can't take their eyes off of each other. He's obsessed with her. It is the cutest thing I've ever seen. And every time he even moves around the room, her eyes follow him. And I. It's like I get kind of like, sad because I remember how that's how Jay and I used to be. You know, Jay and I have been together almost a decade, so, you know, the honeymoon's been over, but it's like you can see that they're still in their honeymoon stage. And it's just like the cutest thing ever. So I really. I really love them together. And they're two of the just. Most wholesome people.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah, most definitely. Skyler Gray was there too.

[Bunny]

Skyler Gray, like, she sounded so good.

[Danny Williamson]

Sounded so good.

[Bunny]

What a phenomenal woman, though. Like, she's so powerful and just her presence and she's so sweet.

[Danny Williamson]

Yes.

[Bunny]

And her dude. Her dude too. Cool. Just like, everybody is just.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah. Keith Urban was there. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Bunny]

Him and his freaking highlights just glowing in the freaking lights.

[Danny Williamson]

His hair just.

[Bunny]

His hair is like just. Just waves of gold spun thread. Like, it's just like they just literally, it's like, you know, he looks like he has that Christmas tinsel in his hair.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Those highlights be highlighting. Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

No, we love Keith.

[Danny Williamson]

I love him. The boys, it was really funny because I got this on video. They wouldn't leave his side. So Jack and Casey were just like right there shredding next to him.

[Bunny]

They wouldn't leave. The boys stayed right next to Keith. Like, normally they walk around the stage and they show off, but literally they were just like looking over at Keith and it was the cutest thing because the boys don't ever really fan. No, they don't fanboy out. But as soon as Keith Urban hit that stage, they just wanted to pick guitars with Keith Urban.

[Danny Williamson]

Can we talk about fucking Cody walking.

[Mimi]

Up on the stage.

[Bunny]

How did I miss that? Let's just talk about the dog. Father was in the house, baby.

[Danny Williamson]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

I literally have never been nervous to meet another celebrity in my life besides Dolly. And I frickin meet Snoop motherfucking dog, dude. Are you kidding me?

[Danny Williamson]

All the same week.

[Bunny]

And the sweetest thing, the sweetest man, like, he for real is unk. Dude. Dude.

[Danny Williamson]

He was so genuinely nice.

[Bunny]

So his whole team, his whole team shout out to his whole team. They're just so sweet. I was so nervous because we got. We got it on video and it's the cutest clip. But I'm like asking Snoop Dogg. I'm like, we're taking a picture together. And I'm like, you know, if you want to do a tick tock, it'd be even cooler. He's like, I'm following do. I was like, oh. I was, like, so excited and. But I was so nervous that I couldn't, like, my mind went blank. I'm like, what song do I do with Snoop Dogg that I know, you know? And I mean, I know all his old. So of course. And so his creative. I don't know if it was like his creative director, his videographer. I forget his name. It was like Sack, right? Sack, I believe was his name came up to me, and I was gonna do Lottie Dottie. And I was like, no, I need something with more. Um, so he starts naming off songs, and he's like, nothing but a G thing. I was like, oh, my God, I love you. Because I'm like, we all forget that. Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

It just went blank.

[Bunny]

Literally. I'm like, shaking. And the sweetest thing that he did was Snoop gave Jay and I these matching rings, and there are crowns, like gold crowns with, I think, like, diamonds in it. And he gave one to Jay and he said, I have one for your lady too, and gave me one too. So the whole night, Jay wore it on stage at the Dallas Cowboy halftime show. He wears it on his ring finger. So talk about what everybody wants to hear about the Dolly interview.

[Danny Williamson]

The fact that we hung out with Dolly and Snoop in the same week.

[Bunny]

Bro, bro. Like, what is life?

[Danny Williamson]

What?

[Bunny]

What is life? It is crazy. Dolly is the sweetest little cupcake that I have ever met. It was sweet. Little, dirty. Okay. Yeah. No, no, she's actually got a very. She reminds me a lot of my personality. We both have that smart ass, kind of like, dirty mentality. I don't know if I can use the dirty and dolly in the same sentence because that's spicy, spicy, spicy. She's so spicy and so cute, and she is sharp as a damn tack.

[Danny Williamson]

Yes.

[Bunny]

That woman is almost 80 years old, and she is a powerhouse. She walks in stilettos, wears cutest little cat suits. She has the tiniest little feet I've ever seen. Really? Her feet have got to be like a size four. Size four, size five. Like, she's got the tiniest little, little.

[Demps]

Just.

[Bunny]

She.

[Danny Williamson]

Her little. Her waist was wasting.

[Bunny]

I mean, what waist? She had none. It was, like, crazy.

[Danny Williamson]

It's like my left leg.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

No, my thigh.

[Bunny]

She's just the cutest little pack package wrapped in blonde Hairs like, she's just so sweet. And I was shook. I'm talking, like, the entire morning, I had to do box breathing. And I was just so nervous. And I don't know if I was just. Because I was, like, inside my head, but I was just like, oh, my God, you know, like, this is everything I've ever wanted since I've started this podcast. And, you know, naming the podcast after Dolly, Dolly's first radio hit was, you know, it was an oxymoron all in itself, and it just was a perfect, you know, storm. And this was such a full circle moment. And sitting down with her, I never read off cue cards ever, but it's like when you're so nervous, your mind goes blank. So I literally had a stack of cue cards with my whole interview on it that Mimi had made me. And in the beginning, you can sense how nervous I am. I'm not sure I've ever seen you that nervous.

[Danny Williamson]

Never seen you that nervous ever.

[Bunny]

Like, I'm a very relaxed interviewer, you know, Like, I love everybody who sits on my couch, but to be in her studio.

[Danny Williamson]

Let's talk about that, too. So, like, Dolly is such a g. You go to Dolly.

[Bunny]

Yes.

[Danny Williamson]

And I think that is so beautiful.

[Bunny]

Yes.

[Danny Williamson]

You literally go to her. So it was really amazing. I got to give the flowers where flowers a due because her team was so.

[Bunny]

Team is on it. Amazing. So good.

[Danny Williamson]

Everyone in. It was so welcoming, accommodating. They, like, forced Jamie to get breakfast. They had an omelette bar. They were like, get the omelet.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

You know, and so. But we went to their space, and, like, they really were like, what can we do to help you elevate this and make this how you want it to portray Dumblin? They requested your dumb blonde sign.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Danny Williamson]

Which I thought was cute. They requested your microphones. Like, I absolutely love that.

[Bunny]

But, like, Dolly talked on one of those microphones, which notes the silver.

[Danny Williamson]

Your og. Your og. Yeah, Dumb blonde one.

[Bunny]

So, no, it was so funny. I walked in because I didn't know my microphones were going to be there. And I was like, oh, my God, I love her microphone. And then I was like, oh, it's mine. Yeah. I was like, oh, my God. But, yeah, it was. You guys are going to be pleasantly surprised. So with this podcast, you know, Dolly had. She's a workhorse, like I am. And before she had done the podcast, she had already done three other things. The podcast was the last of her things of the day, and we got allotted 45 minutes with her and her and I just started talking and, like, she had some of the most incredible answers. And, like, you know, when Dolly speaks, you don't cut her off. So I didn't get to finish the entire interview, but Dolly had so much fun that they're bringing me back for a part two in February. So 2025 to sit down and finish the interview with her and just, just, hopefully this can unfold into something else. She even said she wanted to do a Christmas song with me. I don't know if she meant that or not. I'm just gonna put it in the air because I think that would be freaking amazing.

[Danny Williamson]

Iconic.

[Bunny]

Yeah, iconic. But I'm just so happy that it happened. And shout out to Danny Nozzel, her management. Her publicist is Marcel Ollie. All is all I heard, like, day to day manager. Yeah. Jen Vesio for putting this all together. Our publicist and, you know, just making this happen. It was incredible. And I can't. I'm just so grateful and so thankful.

[Danny Williamson]

We are too. It's. Yeah, I got a real book. Yeah, we got her cookbooks.

[Bunny]

We got her cookbook.

[Danny Williamson]

We gave me a bottle of her wine.

[Bunny]

We got her freaking perfume.

[Danny Williamson]

Makeup.

[Bunny]

Makeup. Yeah. We smell like Joe.

[Danny Williamson]

We all walk around. We walked in smelling like her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. We, like, coated ourselves and walked in.

[Bunny]

You know, my girl's going through a breakup, so, of course, who am I going to bring on the podcast to spill all the tea, but my girl. Demps, baby.

[Demps]

What's up, babes?

[Bunny]

What is happening, man?

[Demps]

As I was walking in here, I was like, why does it seem like every fucking time I'm on this couch or anything, I got like, I'm just going through something, dude.

[Bunny]

Going through some sort of breakup. Last time you were here, it was you and cat daddy or were going through it. And then I think you guys kind of like, didn't you guys reunite a little bit after the podcast?

[Demps]

Yeah, after the podcast, we kind of like, we were mutuals, but then we weren't mutuals. I mean, there was like a whole thing to where his friends try to jump me at a bar. That was all over the Internet. Demps gets kicked out of a bar and all of that. But, yeah, I think I. I left him blocked after that.

[Bunny]

Yeah. So you guys aren't cool. Nobody from that side is cool. You guys are just not cool.

[Demps]

I haven't talked to him. I hope all is well, though.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Demps]

Hope he's taking care of that kitten I bought him.

[Bunny]

Now that you're going through another Breakup. Do you think that you would rekindle anything with Cat Daddy?

[Demps]

No.

[Bunny]

No.

[Demps]

And, you know, it's funny because in some of the comments, people, my followers, were like, we need Cat Daddy. And he commented. He was like, I've been summoned. I was like, oh, hell no, motherfucker. Hell no.

[Bunny]

He's like, you know, he is. You know what he is. You know those guys that go and clean up roadkill on the road? It's like. It's like he knows that you're vulnerable right now, so he's like, hello.

[Demps]

I'm just like, hell, no. And I'm so happy I've have him blocked because, you know, the past two weeks, I've been in a very vulnerable state. And I can honestly say, I mean, I've never seen myself like this. I mean, I had to check myself, girl. I looked at myself in the mirror. I was like, you need to get your fucking shit together. So I knew I was in a vulnerable, vulnerable place. I probably would have felt for his shit.

[Bunny]

Oh, and we would have been just, like, recycled, girl, do not fucking do it.

[Demps]

We would have just like, been back here in, like, three more weeks talking about this.

[Bunny]

No. What about the shit with. With. We'll block her name out. But are you cool with. No. You guys are just.

[Demps]

No, but it's so crazy, because after all that happened, you know, Todd was there and all his friends were there, and after all that, the dust settled. I mean, you guys saw somebody vandalized my home, right?

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Demps]

Clout chaser on the back of my home.

[Bunny]

Yeah, we're gonna talk about all that because now you can actually talk about it.

[Demps]

Yeah, now I can talk about it.

[Bunny]

Okay, perfect. Yeah.

[Demps]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Because I know before, when you had come on the podcast, we were tiptoeing around it because you had a court case going on.

[Demps]

And I won.

[Bunny]

Yeah, baby. Because light always wins over darkness, man.

[Demps]

Oh, my God. God, Bunny. It's been a minute since I've done, like. I mean, obviously I text you and everything, but to, like, really get it out, girl.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Demps]

Yeah. So after the whole. My home getting vandalized and all of that, I just took a step back, and I didn't reach out to anybody. But it's so funny because I saw some of them singing my songs, and I ignored it. I thought they were, like, kind of being petty about it, but they were like, no, this is actually a great song. Bitch on Wine and all of that. I was like, y'all are just. See, I'm a good fucking Tom and a good person if you guys weren't such fucking dicks to me.

[Bunny]

Okay, Well, I also think that I don't want to use the word jealousy, but sometimes when there's men involved, too, it just makes a whole fucking. You know. One of them had the audacity to show up to one of my husband's shows. I was actually quite. Remember, I texted her. I was like, you want me to kick her out? Because I will. And you're so sweet. You were like, no. And I was like, all right, she lives to see another day. But you know who you are. Showing up at my husband's fucking concert was very ballsy of you, especially knowing that I ride for dimps all day long, my girl.

[Demps]

But other than, like, that whole thing, I just. It was like New Year's of last year. I literally started to just kind of heal a little bit. But then for some reason, some fucking reason, I run into somebody who's friends with my ex, and I mind you, I have him blocked, but I started Snapchatting him.

[Bunny]

Which ex is the most current one? Okay.

[Demps]

I don't want to, like, give him so much clout or whatever.

[Bunny]

Let's change his name. What are we going to call him? Let's call him Bill.

[Demps]

Bill? I dated Bill.

[Bunny]

All right, Not Bill. Okay, let's think of something else. Yeah, we don't want to call him because my dad's name is Bill. Let's call him Ron.

[Demps]

Ron.

[Lume]

Love it.

[Demps]

Fucking Ron.

[Bunny]

So was this Ron we're talking about?

[Demps]

Yeah. So right after cat daddy and all that New Year's is around, and I was like, man, I don't. I just need to keep doing me and just keep pushing forward, because, you know, Todd, I mean, that fucker, like, yeah, he broke my heart, but screw him.

[Bunny]

Did he really break your heart?

[Demps]

He actually did.

[Bunny]

I'm like, jess, come on. I'm like, I know you way better than that.

[Demps]

Long story short, obviously, I love attention.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Demps]

I mean, I'm a Leo.

[Bunny]

You're a Leo.

[Demps]

And we're gonna.

[Bunny]

You know, we're gonna do your birth chart today because I need to figure out what the fuck's wrong with you.

[Demps]

Yeah, I know.

[Bunny]

We're getting to the bottom of it today, everybody. I need to figure out what the. Is going on with dimps inside her body and mind and heart. And then we're gonna figure out who will be. We're gonna figure out who will be a soul mate for you once I get all your deets. So we'll figure it out. Good.

[Demps]

Maybe I can get Some answers and some sleep tonight.

[Bunny]

Manifest. We're manifesting.

[Demps]

So long story short, Bill, Ron, Ron, Ron, Ron and I rekindled things. And it was very simple. In the beginning, it was just like.

[Bunny]

So you started Snapchatting him. Okay. And like, what made you even want to reopen that door? Because if I can remember correctly, and this is why I never came around, because I didn't. Like, the dude is. Didn't he do some fuckboy shit the first time around? What did he do?

[Demps]

And you know what's crazy? I always kept my mouth shut. I never aired my laundry. I'd let you talk your shit on. I let you just take in all the energy that you want to. And then I'm just gonna go over here and do my thing. I'm not one to Even with Todd, I was like, fuck you, dude. Yeah, yeah. So he was just in a fuckboy stage. And I. I'm the type of person, I think that somebody's gonna change. You know what I mean?

[Bunny]

Or that you can change them or.

[Demps]

I can change them. I said this recently. I was like, I don't know what it is when I date these men that they just need love so bad. And I have so much love to give because I'm a mom myself and I want to be loved. You know what I mean? But why is it every time I date someone, I'm the masculine one in the relationship?

[Bunny]

Because you're in your masculine energy, baby. And your masculine energy attracts feminine men.

[Demps]

Oh, my God.

[Bunny]

And until you change that, you're gonna keep attracting feminine men.

[Demps]

But Bunny, it's literally a recurrence. And I had a wake up call. I literally, when I was two weeks ago, I was like, bitch, you need to pull yourself fucking together. I was like, what is it that I'm attracting these men? Because I know what I want, and I know what my daughter deserves, and I know what I deserve. And it's a shame because, you know, if anything, I know I'm being played as a victim. And I know he's saying some things that like, oh, damn. Just loves to be a victim. If I'm a victim of anything, it's for me to just over communicating because I set this guy down in my kitchen.

[Bunny]

Well, let's. Let's circle back to when you guys first broke up. Why did you guys first break up? What did you boy. Well, let's be honest. What did he do?

[Demps]

He just wasn't giving me the attention that I needed. And I remember being at a show, I remember being at a Show with him, Mind you. I went and got a babysitter, got all dolled up.

[Bunny]

This was the first time you got it. First time.

[Demps]

It takes a lot for me to.

[Bunny]

Damn silence you're doing.

[Demps]

I'm trying but thing. It takes a lot for me to go out of my way and go on a date with a guy. Okay, let me just start there. Okay, I'm finding the babysitter. It's my time, my energy to go out with you. I remember going out with this guy that night. He didn't acknowledge me once and talk to a girl the whole time that I was out with him. And I was like, you know what? I don't fucking need this. I'm just gonna go the fuck home. And I remember him calling me at 3am or 2am or something like that. And I remember being so excited. Oh my God, he called me. What does he want? Like, he wants to talk to me. Oh, he's missing me? No, girl, there was somebody that wanted to talk to me that he was with because he was dating Demps. Whatever.

[Bunny]

So he let you go home so that right there didn't show you that he was in it for clout? No, girl, how did that. I would have been like click and never answered the phone for that man ever again.

[Demps]

Girl, I think I am so gullible that like, I'll just believe. Like if you say I'm beautiful and all this, I'mma fucking believe you. I'm gonna fall at my knees and.

[Bunny]

Be like a major ick. The man let you leave. You went home because you felt like you were being ignored. And then he calls you and is like, hey, can you talk to this person? Because I'm telling them that I'm dating you, but I'm not treating you like I'm dating you. That's like a. Ew.

[Demps]

So I blocked him for two years, brother. And then I unblocked him after the whole Todd thing, but.

[Bunny]

Because you were in a vulnerable state.

[Demps]

But can I be honest with you, Bunny?

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Demps]

I think the reason why I was so upset with myself is because I never gave grace after the toddler, how he treated me in this with him, Ron. So I was just so mad at myself. All this anger and I'm like, I'm a fucking great person, Ron.

[Bunny]

When you say, I thought you.

[Demps]

How can you silence this shit, Ron?

[Bunny]

I crack up when I hear that.

[Demps]

So I'm a great fucking person. So it's just like, why the fuck does this keep fucking happening to me? Yeah, I don't get It. Seriously. Do you see the. Between the lawns?

[Bunny]

Can you tell me, Demps, you have something that is some sort of trauma in you that needs to be addressed before you can even get into the type of relationship that you yearn for. Yes, your heart and your mind want a certain type of relationship, but because there's something that happened maybe in your childhood or in a. In a relationship that triggered some sort of trauma in you, you're going to keep seeking out that same type of man until you can figure out what's going on inside of you, you know?

[Demps]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

That's what I tried to tell you last time.

[Demps]

I just. It was a shame that things ended the way it did. And I'm not gonna bat. I'm not gonna sit here on your podcast and bash someone because.

[Bunny]

So let's get into your guys's relationship. You guys research. You guys circle back around. You guys start dating again. How does that even happen? You start Snapchatting, and then you guys just see each other, and you're like, we decided we want to be together. Because didn't he start dating somebody, too, that, like, worked at a bar the first time, too? Yeah, I remember girl.

[Demps]

Yeah, she was on, and she was online. Forget.

[Bunny]

No, because I don't. I don't forget people who are rude to my friends. Yeah. You know, like, that, like, people can be rude to me all day, but if you're rude to my friends, I'm. I'm gonna remember that.

[Demps]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

I just immediately saw. And I think that girl has me blocked. And it's like, I don't even know you. Like, remember? I think I went to go, like, lurk one day, and I was like, how am I blocked? I didn't even know who you were until today.

[Demps]

Yeah, there was a time. Well, they were running with all that crew with which.

[Bunny]

I don't care. Bitches, block me, please. Because the only thing you're going to see is success and thriving over here.

[Demps]

So I think after we started hanging out the second time around, he started coming over again, mind you. I was paying for babysitters to go out on dates with him, mind you. You know, taking time away from my daughter because I wanted to spend time with him. You know what I mean? And we just grew to like each other's company, if I might say. And we grew, like, fond of each other. And I remember, like, wow. I think he really changed, and I really love this man. I mean. And then slowly, after, like, five months of us dating, I finally brought him around, Lily. And that was like, it made my heart so full to see Lily, because, mind you, this is the first guy Lily's ever seen me affectionate with, hugging on.

[Bunny]

She didn't see you affectionate with Todd, though. No. Okay.

[Demps]

No. So, you know, I mean, laying on the couch, you know, kissing and loving on. So Lily sees that and she knows, like, oh, Mommy loves this person and everything. So it was just a special moment for me to share that with my daughter and everything. And I was like, wow, did Lily like him? Yeah, Lily did like him. And it was really sad to her to, like, tell me, you know, mommy, I'm really gonna miss him. You know, he was fun and everything, but one day, I think it's for the better. The things that worked out because I opened up my eyes. Like, I don't need someone like that in my life because of my needs, if I'm being too much, because I'm over communicating with you, because, hey, I need this. I need to be told that I'm this. Because the way I perceive love is I'm words of affirmation. I need to be told I'm doing a good job. I need to be told that, you know, hey, you look beautiful today. You know what I mean? And that comes with past trauma with domestic violence. I mean, getting called a cunt and a bitch every day for almost fucking four years, you know, with my Lily's father. So. And I expressed this to him, and I think it just became too much.

[Bunny]

So you guys work. You guys got back together for how long?

[Danny Williamson]

Sorry, can we hold on real quick? Someone's opening the garage.

[Bunny]

Hold on. Sorry, Dumps.

[Demps]

Now you're on. I'm not gonna get emotional on this. I'm not trying to give him anything.

[Danny Williamson]

You can get emotional.

[Bunny]

It's okay if you can't. If you do get emotional, though, you're going through a breakup. You're human.

[Demps]

He's on fucking TikTok. Saying Demps likes to play the victim like, you motherfucking narcissist. How dare you sit there two weeks ago and tell me you love me back home in Indiana for you to leave me on red for days. And you break up with me over text. That's really fucked up.

[Bunny]

No, it is funny when I say I. It was bad, bitch. It was really bad.

[Demps]

I was over at Priscilla's house. I had no makeup on. She called me, she was like, just come over for coffee. And I remember just in Priscilla's kitchen, I was like, I don't know what's wrong with me. This one fucking hurt. And I know.

[Bunny]

Fuck Todd.

[Demps]

I wasn't even upset with Todd. But this, this. I felt pain like leaving Lily's father and it fucking with my head.

[Bunny]

I think it's because you really genuinely loved him though, Dempsey. I think. And it's okay to love people and it's okay to be sad about it. You don't have to be hard just because of what he's saying on the Internet right now or he's trying to gaslight you, you know, and we know how guys are. There's. And there's always three sides to every story. There's your side, his side in the trail. Truth, you know, but the truth is you're hurt right now and that's okay. That doesn't give him more power because you're showing emotion. It's. You're human, dude.

[Demps]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

You know, and breaking up with anybody sucks. And I think that you deserved more than a text message.

[Demps]

Yeah. For real, girl. Because my daughter was involved and we were together for a year and there was. It was. It would have been different if it was just like a month fling like the first time we dated.

[Bunny]

Today I have a triple threat. I mean, I don't even know. I think he might be quadrupled threat. But this man needs no introduction. Mr. MGK in the house, baby. Hi, everybody. You've had a day.

[Dolly Parton]

I've had. Yeah, it's been a gnarly 96 hours for sure.

[Bunny]

I feel like you don't ever stop though now.

[Dolly Parton]

This was my first four day music video shoot. Which you were in.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Dolly Parton]

Cool.

[Bunny]

And thank you for having us. Let's talk about it. What was, what was the video shoot about?

[Dolly Parton]

Well, it was visually inspired by beyond the Pines. I think story wise as well. The first 20 minutes anyway.

[Bunny]

Yeah. If you guys are gonna watch, if you're gonna watch beyond the Pine, don't watch any more than 30 after Ryan Gosling has his moment. Don't watch it.

[Dolly Parton]

It is. It's quite the thrill kill.

[Bunny]

Yeah, it's like a thrill and then.

[Dolly Parton]

It'S just like what happens and you're like, wait a minute, like he's on every poster. This movie has to be about him. Yeah, that was kind of a trip. But esthetically that I love riding motorcycles. I think telling the story of lower middle class, struggling family and relationship is really what I grew up seeing. So it was something that felt right to do on a song that everyone keeps telling me is a hit. So I think the glamorous approach was obvious and I kind of went the other way and Kept a G. Like how me and Jelly's background is.

[Bunny]

You guys went back to your roots, I think.

[Dolly Parton]

Absolutely. I think, like, you know, we repped for, you know, when you get it, when you are exploring yourself in front of all these cameras and in the industry.

[Bunny]

Sorry, guys. These are some beautiful cats, by the way. Yeah, these are some awesome cats that just walked in. They're like Dad's home.

[Dolly Parton]

But when you're exploring yourself in front of the cameras and, you know you're seeing success and, you know, you obviously idolize people and lifestyles and things, you kind of, you know, you're. You're doing your own outfit changes metaphorically towards what you think would look cool with this era. What would look cool with that era and this era? For me, after all, the glitz and glam of the last run that I've had is just back to my roots, man. I went all the way to the top, and I am just like, all right, I've seen it.

[Bunny]

I'm so excited.

[Dolly Parton]

I'm out.

[Bunny]

I'm so excited to deep dive all of this with you. So circling back to the video, though. So the song is for Lonely Roads, which my husband is going to be featuring on. And that's. That's out right now.

[Dolly Parton]

Yes.

[Bunny]

Because when. By the time this drops, it's gonna be out, so you guys need to go listen to it.

[Dolly Parton]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

And when do you think the music video is gonna drop? Is it gonna drop before.

[Dolly Parton]

I think the music video will be out by the time this is out.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Yay.

[Bunny]

So you guys gotta go watch it.

[Dolly Parton]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Because it's gonna be awesome.

[Dolly Parton]

I. I feel really. It's my. I don't really know what to do with my hands. Is it cool if I roll a cigarette?

[Bunny]

Yeah, of course. I would sit back. You know, this is your house, so I'm telling you what to do on your couch. So you have talked a lot about your childhood, and I could just kind of want to go back in time a little bit with you on that. Can we speak on your childhood a little bit?

[Dolly Parton]

Yeah, if I've spoken on my childhood. You know, if you're reflecting on past interviews, I don't really know how far they go back, but some of them was a very insecure. Excuse me, insecure with speaking on just almost any interview I had done in which I covered myself with an egoic exoskeleton. But as far as my childhood, some of that I've spoke on in a way that I was still just very confused and very angry. And so I Do not stand by everything that I said about the people in my life and my childhood, because they deserve forgiveness and something different than the way that I may have just. You know. So anyway, I proceeded to.

[Bunny]

That actually kind of made me want to tear up because anybody that's ever. Let me get a hold of myself here, anybody that's ever dealt with childhood trauma has gone through a time in their life where they were just so angry that they've said so many things about the people that were in their life, that until you get to a breakthrough and you come. I don't want to say come out of the darkness, because I feel like we're always sort of gonna have one foot in. But when you get to a point where you can look at them with love or forgiveness is huge.

[Dolly Parton]

And they're just big kids. As a parent, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing every single day of my life. As a parent, you're just figuring it out constantly, but hopefully doing it with love.

[Bunny]

Absolutely.

[Dolly Parton]

And sometimes, like, in my situation with my father, he was so tormented from some of the most insane shit that I could imagine a kid could go through that he had to figure it out, but with almost every possible bad circumstance going against him, too. So it's. It's. It's almost like the expectations are too high because we think that they're just that. That they know everything because we grew up looking up at them, but we're all just lost in trying to figure it out.

[Bunny]

I feel like you've been fighting since you came out of the womb. I'm just looking down at my notes here, but it says, you know, you were born with your umbilical cord wrapped around your neck, correct?

[Dolly Parton]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

So, I mean, you were already fighting the minute that you came out. Yeah. When you were born, you had your mom and your dad. I don't ever really hear you talk about your mom a lot. And a lot of the stuff that I got from your childhood, I didn't take from interviews. I kind of. You. If you listen to your music, you tell a story.

[Dolly Parton]

Right.

[Bunny]

You speak a lot about your life in music. And I think that anybody that is, you know, a fan of yours or a listener of yours would know them.

[Dolly Parton]

Yeah, I saved a lot of my interview moments for my lyrics. I think a lot of my childhood is represented in my songs. My mom and I actually have reconnected in a really intense way in the past three or four years. You know, that side of my family is. They're all from Norway. They're extremely Norwegian, So very stoic, you know. So the emotional side of things I get from my father, who was very. You know, he wore everything on his sleeve, right? So, like, his depression was very obvious. His need for love was very, you know, like I was. I wish. I wish I could have told him before he died that I was really inspired by how emotional he was and, like, how I thought that was really cool in hindsight, because I am very emotional as well, probably because everything on my chart is so Pisces. But, yeah, I was saying that on July 5, it's the same day Hotel Diablo came out, but that's also the day he died. And it trips me out because on the album I said, doctors said my dad won't be here a year from now. And then a year to the date he died. And then on that date this year, I was outside and I was doing a ritual for him just to try and see if I could channel any. If I could hear him at all. But I did tell him what I just said. Sorry if I'm very long winded. I'm pretty awkward as a human. And so I don't really know if what I'm saying. If anyone gives a fuck. So maybe I'll just move on. What's the next question?

[Bunny]

You don't have to apologize, though. It's actually beautiful what you say, and it's so real. And I think people need to hear what you have to say because there's a lot of people who are working through, including myself. I just lost my dad last month, and I know exactly what you're going through with a father who was absent, you know, in certain things. And, like, you know, just. We're all dealing with childhood trauma, but your dad. Actually, it says that your dad was tried at 9 years old for his own father's death.

[Dolly Parton]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Can we talk about that?

[Dolly Parton]

I think so. That's interesting that you. Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Bunny]

That has to contribute to how he was as a father to you, because it seems like it was almost generational, like, passed down.

[Dolly Parton]

Yeah. Every medium that I've spoke to or seer that I've spoke to says, as a generational curse on all the men in my family, that they will die alone. And they've all died alone. I'm the seventh generation, which means that I should be able to break the curse. And I was born on the 22nd, which is a master number. And the numerology behind mine is a curse breaker. So I do hope in this lifetime that I master my best self and What I'm supposed to do. It's a very difficult road that I'm on right now with that. And my father childhood journey definitely bled into mine because we. We shared the same bed, the same bed for years. And that was, you know, the. The body, especially if you're intuitive or born intuitive, your body receives the energy from all around you. So, you know, those years that my dad slept depressed, I took on all that. And I just remember finding that I always used to get so mad at him when I was a kid, because if I scared him or he heard a loud boom or a loud noise, he would freak out. Like, gnarly freak out. And I would be like, you're supposed to be like, you're supposed to be a man, dude. Like, why are you acting like this? And I would. We would. You know, it just made me hate him. And then you sit there and you think about a kid who was on trial at nine years old for the murder of his father, and knowing that the police came and found the shotgun underneath the bed. And the story that was told to me was always that, you know, their dad dropped a gun and his head essentially blew off. And so that all happened in the room with my dad at 9 years old. So him and my grandmother were tried for the murder. They were both acquitted. I had a very interesting talk with him on his deathbed about that moment, which I think I'll leave that between me and my father. You know, that led to a lot of, like, you know, he had split personality and, you know, schizophrenia runs really heavy in that side of the family. So a lot of things, man, that I've taken on, and I think I've projected myself to be somebody who has the stamina to endure all of these things that come with fame and criticism and hate, because I fought back with all those traumas by becoming what I always wanted my dad to be, which was, like, tough and, you know, shake everything off and just fight anyone who, you know, comes at you. I never understood why he was so closed. But, dude, I'm tired and I'm a really shy, fucked up kid and internally and really broken, and I'm just now fixing myself and I don't have the energy to be the image that I was. Because I'm also kind of sick of being on an island alone where no one is outside of my fans, you know, my fans who really can read the music and read into the music. Sorry, but as far as, like, public Persona, I'm really, really sick of being what they think I am. So I don't really know how I got onto that from my dad's story, but I don't know how you found that either. That's a very, like. That was a very quite the piece of information to stumble upon.

[Bunny]

I am so excited because I have been wanting this guest forever. Ever since your first album came out, I have been obsessed with you. And not to mention, your dad was one of my childhood crushes.

[Mimi]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bunny]

Elle King is in the house, baby. Wow. I have been waiting for. For you to come, because you do not know how obsessed I was with Deuce Bigelow.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Okay.

[Mimi]

No, I was in that.

[Bunny]

I did not know that.

[Mimi]

A little foreshadowing. You're like, we're gonna be friends. Oh, yeah. I was the little girl scout.

[Bunny]

I love that. I never even knew that. But, I mean, I just. I'm. I've always been a, like, John Candy and, like, funny comedians were always my thing. And your dad, like, I knew. I knew he was, like, the tiniest little thing ever.

[Mimi]

Oh, my gosh. But I was just like, he finds this out, he's gonna be like, I've still got it.

[Bunny]

Oh, no, dude. Rob Schneider was, like. It was Rob Schneider, Drew Carey. Like, I had a list of, like, comedians that I loved as a child.

[Mimi]

I. I always go for funny over anything.

[Bunny]

Me, too.

[Mimi]

I mean, I've. I've dated all kinds of different people, but if you make me laugh, you get my heart.

[Bunny]

And my vagina.

[Mimi]

And my vagina.

[Bunny]

I'm telling you, man, you make me laugh. My legs are spread wide open.

[Mimi]

Yeah. And, like, throw in, like, a neck, like, sold.

[Bunny]

Oh, they have to have tattoos. Do you have to date a man with tattoos, or can you date a man who has bare skin?

[Mimi]

I'll try anything twice.

[Bunny]

I love that.

[Mimi]

But I do tend to get along better with. I don't know, it just. I like people who have tattoos.

[Bunny]

It's same.

[Mimi]

You can withstand. If someone's covered in tattoos, they can withstand some.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

They can take too much or they've.

[Mimi]

Been through things, you know, or they.

[Bunny]

Have that, like, rough around the edges thing.

[Mimi]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

I feel like if. If we're flesh all a mesh and I'm the only one with tattoos, I feel like one of these kids is doing its own thing. And I want you to be on my team, you know? Like, you need to be covered in tattoos, too.

[Mimi]

Yeah, definitely.

[Bunny]

Are you dating right now?

[Mimi]

I am actually back with my baby daddy.

[Bunny]

Ah. We're gonna dive into this. Okay. Hence the tour name, right?

[Mimi]

Yes, yes. And we broke up for a year, and I was going through really, really insane postpartum. And I don't even think that I realized I was going through it until I kind of got out of it and we were already broken up, and he just kept showing up and we became best friends. And then through custody and everything and working together and a lot of therapy on my part, we restarted our communication, our, like, respect for each other. And I just. I never stopped being in love with him. And then finally he was just like, I wore the right set of underwear and she's, like, locked in.

[Bunny]

I love that.

[Mimi]

Doing really, really well.

[Bunny]

I feel. I love that you're talking about postpartum, though, because I feel like a lot of women in the spotlight, like, you guys literally will have babies and then you're thrust back into the spotlight, and it's like, you don't have time to heal, you don't have time to nurture yourself, and then the world wants to be mad at you if, like, you're not this picture perfect human that they've put you on this pedestal.

[Mimi]

Yeah. Honestly, like, it's kind of fucked up because I really struggled to get pregnant in a lot of different relationships. And now I know, like, God's timing is not up to us, and even our baby's timing is not up to us. And I think that, like, the pandemic, everything was shut down and I was able to, like, rest. I sold my house in la, I moved to New Mexico. I had donkeys and goats, and I got pregnant. And because I wasn't on the road, I didn't have all this pressure. I ballooned up. I got so heavy, and I got up to £284 the day that I delivered my son. And then it was happy weight, though. Yeah. I mean, it was. It was miserable weight, but it was also, like, my body did what it had to do. And then it took me three years to lose baby weight. And the thing that made me so mad is, like, in this day and age, like, no one gives any credit for anything. I don't care how anybody loses weight. If somebody takes charge of their own life, not that anyone has to, because I've been every single size, but, like, I worked really, really hard because I was so depressed. I started working three months after I had my son. I was back on the road and I was, like, trying to. I, like, already stopped breastfeeding. I was so stressed out. And then I just started working out to try and get my mind right because I was, like, blue. I was really Sad, really miserable. And then my song with Miranda drunk, like, really went crazy during my pregnancy. So. So many changes happened so quickly, so fast. And then. I don't know. I just. Like, you'd think anything that I know about or had known about postpartum was like, oh, like, you could, like, be kind of sad, like, for a couple weeks, a couple months after. And I'm, like, looking down and, like, it's two years after, and, like, I'm getting ready to celebrate my son's second birthday, and I'm not with his dad, and I'm like, I feel so lost. I tried a lot of different therapies. I tried, like, all kinds of, like, different psychedelic stuff. I tried talk therapy. I tried everything. And ultimately, I had to go through certain experiences on my own, some of which I didn't want to go through.

[Bunny]

But, like, life experiences.

[Mimi]

Like, life experiences. Like, you know, I'm already kind of. I don't want to say, like, I'm sick of talking about, like, what happened in January and the Dolly incident. And I'm sure people are not going to like what I have to say about a lot of it, but, like, I can already look back and be like, you know what? I have this good thing that came from it. This thing changed in my life. This. I was presented with an opportunity to grow. And I think that every experience is an opportunity for change, and change is inevitable. It's the blade that carves itself and. Or sharpens itself, whatever that quote is. And I really like that.

[Bunny]

But, like, when that Dolly incident happened, were you still going through postpartum? Was that part of it?

[Mimi]

Honestly, I think I'd kind of come out of postpartum, and then everything that had accumulated, everything that I had just, like, sucked onto my life in my, like, depression, all just kind of came to a head. And I think it was probably just rock bottom, right? I just. If it wasn't that, it was gonna be something else. And I just took, for the first time, like, you know, when I was pregnant, like, I was like, okay, maybe I've got this time given to me. This was. This year was the first time I was like, I'm stepping. I'm stepping away from this. Everyone's telling me to kill myself. Everyone's telling me to surrender my child. And it was just so, so wrong. And, you know, if a man did it, it would have been a completely different story. But also, like, I've spoken to everybody, and I've spoken to everyone at the Opry, and they said that I'm not Banned. And yeah, it's contrary.

[Bunny]

Is forgiving. They are really forgiving people. It is.

[Mimi]

And this, the saddest part about it is like. And I don't even really want to use these words, but like, somebody is going to get arrested. Somebody is going to get something that happens. And, you know, some people might say it's good for you, but like, for me, I'm like, that's sad. The biggest thing I learned was like, okay, take nothing that you read online for like full blown truth. Because everything, you never know. From my experience, especially what was going on then. I was going through some like, heavy, heavy, heavy shit. Not even postpartum, not even my breakup. Not even just that.

[Bunny]

It's just like, can we touch on it?

[Mimi]

I mean, it was just. It was a dark situation that I can't talk about and I don't really want to, but like.

[Bunny]

Like a relationship.

[Mimi]

Yeah, it was like bad shit that was going on and I. Because of that, no one knew what was really going on. And they just thought like, God forbid somebody looks and thinks, wow, like, what was going on with her that day? You know, like, I played two shows that day. I played two fucking shows. The first show was great. It was perfect. But I hadn't eaten, I hadn't done anything, I hadn't slept in days. I was so. I had such bad anxiety and everything. And I just walked back out on stage and I'd taken one shot too many. We went through that alleyway and went to Robert's Western World and a bunch of people were celebrating and I took, you know, one shot of tequila when I'd been drinking a martini and like, that I was like the tiniest I'd ever been. And boom, I could come to and like, the curtains down and it sucks, it's awful. But at the same time I went home and I was like, I never, I never want to cry like that in a car ride home. I never want to wake up feeling like that ever again. I never want to feel that shame. I never want to, like, you know, anytime Dolly Parton calls you is cool, but like, I didn't want it to be under those circumstances. And like, but she called me to make me feel better, you know.

[Bunny]

She's a sweet angel of a woman.

[Mimi]

She's literally, she's like proof of angels. She truly is. And I think what that taught, like, I learned so much from this experience and like, if I can come out of it, literally anyone can.

[Bunny]

Circling back. So you had said that you did not want to. You got to a Point where you stopped wanting to go and spend summers with your dad.

[Mimi]

Yeah, I mean, like, he was filming this one, like, prison movie in like Stockton, California. In a prison?

[Bunny]

Yeah. And I was gonna say there's not very many.

[Mimi]

Yeah, cool.

[Bunny]

Hang spots.

[Mimi]

Exactly.

[Bunny]

Stockton. And I shout out the Diaz brothers.

[Mimi]

I had already started getting tattooed and it was like 108 degrees like every single day. So I was having to wear sweaters because my dad was, like, very anti tattoos or like any form of self expression that differed from what he wanted for me. Not that he ever even thought about me, but.

[Bunny]

You're killing my fantasy of Rob. I'm so sorry. It's over. It's done. It's over with. I'm Team L all day.

[Mimi]

Oh, I'm so sorry.

[Bunny]

I'm Team L all day.

[Mimi]

But, yeah, I just, like, I would get in so much trouble. And now, like a massive part, like, of like, I guess little. Little teas that have turned into massive paranoia. Paranorma. Wait, parrot paranoia?

[Bunny]

Yes.

[Mimi]

What's paranormal?

[Bunny]

I don't know. I was gonna say. Is that like ghosts or something?

[Mimi]

I don't know.

[Bunny]

But, like, the ghoul, like, paranormal dog name.

[Mimi]

I, like, spend one day in this, like, witchy house. It's cool. And I don't remember what I was talking about.

[Bunny]

Oh, dad, you had to wear sweaters covering the tattoos.

[Mimi]

And. And so, like, I didn't want to be. Oh, okay. My little teeth. So I would get in so much trouble if I ever. Oh, my gosh, if I ever messed up a shot or if I ever was like, like an arm in the camera or like, if I ever was talking, like, I would get in fucking trouble. And, like, I spent. You know, I'm really putting shit out there right now. But, like, my dad forgot about every single birthday. Like, I spent my 18th birthday in a summer school, like, class with, like, algebra one. And because if I didn't take it, I wouldn't graduate. And they brought me cupcakes and I came home, my dad forgot my birthday. It's okay. I read. I read an entire. Yeah, it's totally hurtful. But, like, you know what?

[Bunny]

That shapes and molds you.

[Mimi]

I put every. I put every ounce of my being into my son's birthday. Like, every birthday, even for my friends, like, every birthday. Because I know how it feels to be forgotten on your birthday. And that's so sad. It's like, come on. It's my one fucking day. It's my one day.

[Bunny]

Give me that.

[Mimi]

Yeah. Give me that. And so I stopped wanting to go. And then I got kicked out of school in New York in sixth or seventh grade. And my mom was like, I am done with her. I was being bad. I got my tongue pierced. My mom walked in on me and.

[Bunny]

A boy and she was like, mom's losing her shit.

[Mimi]

Yes. And my mom is tough. My mom, like, she doesn't give up on me ever. But my mom was like, she's fucking your problem. And he was like, what do you want me to do with her? And he was going to Amsterdam. So I was 14 and he took me to Amsterdam and he. Oh, no.

[Bunny]

I've had a recipe for disaster.

[Mimi]

My dad hired this 21 year old. Sweet.

[Demps]

Sweet.

[Mimi]

She was an Indian young woman. She was a virgin. And her name was Aman. And she was like, she was lovely. And every single day I'd say, let's go to the flower markets. And I would be like, oh, yeah, wow, look at those tulips. And then I would dip back behind, I'd like watch her freak out looking for me and I'd go straight to the red light district. I still to this day roll the best joints ever. But, like, I wanted culture. I wanted to see things and I didn't want. Every single day I would ditch the nanny and she didn't want to lose her job, so she never told my dad.

[Bunny]

Oh.

[Mimi]

So I basically just spent however many months we were there in Amsterdam. I had, I mean, I would go to like, my, my homeschool, like, teacher. I was like, I don't even. I was learning some Dutch and French or something, but, like, I never paid attention. I can always distract somebody. Like, I had this one tutor. I'd be like, oh, you're into Dungeons and Dragons. That's cool. Like, I don't really want to learn about, like, science, man. And, and then, you know, like one time we went to any time my dad would like, have me on a trip, he would, like, forget that he had me. And so he. I, I know, I know, because he's not a great planner and is that.

[Bunny]

That'S the least of his worries.

[Mimi]

Yeah. And so he took, he took me to Russia with him.

[Bunny]

Oh, no.

[Mimi]

I was probably 18, actually. But the thing is, like, I refuse to, like, waste a trip. Yeah.

[Bunny]

So I love that even at such a young age, you were like, I'm here to live.

[Mimi]

Yeah, yeah, we were in Russia and he was like, in a basement, like, getting ready to do some TV show. He had two security guards. And I was like, hey, hey, we're in Moscow. Like, I'm not sitting in this basement TV studio. I was like, I'm gonna go out. And he would always just be like, like, reading something, like, whatever. Take. Take one of the security guards with you. I was like, great. So this, like, beautiful Russian, like, tuxedo fucking wearing, like, young, handsome security guard. I was like, what do you do in Moscow? And he's like, do you like to ride rides? And I was like, I fucking love rides. Takes me to an amusement park. Rides. All the fucking rides with me is in, like, photo booth pictures with me. Takes me to get, like, the big Russian hat. And then, like, I had. I had started to lose some of my, like, teenage weight, and I. He was staying with, like, this very. My dad was, like, there for this, like, really rich lady, and she let me buy this, like, La Perla gown and, like, heels because they had some fashion show. And I was like, I'm such a tomboy. I don't know how to walk in heels. And there was, like, 25 steps down from this party, and the guy was like, nikolai, he picked me up, walks me down the steps, opens the limo with me in his arms and, like, sets me down. And I was like, yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

[Bunny]

Did you and Nikolai ever hook up? Hello, babies. Welcome back to another episode of Don Blonde. Today is so special to me because I started this podcast six years ago, and when I named this podcast, I named it after a specific song that was tongue in cheek, but also was an oxymoron to my life, but also a woman who I have admired and literally just patterned my entire life after the iconic, the queen of not just country, but the Queen of everything. Ms. Dolly Parton is here today.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, hello. Now, we should put an S on the dumb blonde. I'm telling you, got two of us here today.

[Bunny]

Will you be my co host?

[Machine Gun Kelly]

I'll be your co host.

[Bunny]

I would love for you to be my.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

If you love that, I would love it.

[Bunny]

I would love for you to be my guest. I love it. I love it so much. Both are fast, though. Very, very slippery suckers. Right? This has been something that I have pretty much manifested since I started this podcast. Everybody has always asked me, who is your dream guest? And there's two of you. Dolly Parton and Joyce Meyers are the two people that I have said that I have wanted since the beginning. And sitting here with you today is such an honor, and I just want to say thank you for making time for me today.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, I'm happy to do it. We love you.

[Bunny]

I love you too. And My husband loves you, too.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, we love your husband very much, but anytime I see you, I see him, and vice versa. So. Yeah, we. We love you both. You make a great couple.

[Bunny]

Thank you.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

But you're great on your own, and you're no dumb blonde, I can tell you that.

[Bunny]

Thank you. And neither one of us are, though, right? Isn't that just.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

I don't know about me, but I know you're okay.

[Bunny]

Well, I mean, the testimony to your life is pretty much shows how brilliant of a woman you are, and I kind of want to dive into that with you, starting with. I want to paint a picture for my viewers at home, for some people who might not even know your backstory. I'd like to start, you know, with your childhood and where you grew up and stuff like that, if you could tell me a little bit about that.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, I grew up in the Great Smoky Mountains of East Tennessee, way up in the hills, actually. I was actually born in a little cabin on the little Pigeon River. My dad was a sharecropper for a while, and then eventually we moved over to the little place we call Locust Ridge, where you hear me talk a lot about my Tennessee mountain home. But there's 12 of us in all. Mama had 12 kids and six boys and six girls. We were pretty even, and we were just country people just trying to scratch a living out of. Out of dirt up there in the hills. But I was blessed to have a good mom and dad, and they managed pretty good to work with. Nothing to try to, you know, to raise a house full of kids. And none of us wound up in jail. None of us had to get married. So all in all, I think they did a pretty good job. But we were just. A lot of folks in our area were poor. That's just the way it was in that area. But it's been one of the greatest things, really, that I've carried with me all my memories of my childhood, and it's made me appreciate life and people more than if I had been brought up a different way. I think.

[Bunny]

Yes, ma'am. I always feel like harder childhoods make for great adulthoods. It, like, sets you up for just a lifetime of, you know, knowing that you have to work for what you want and going after your dreams. And you. I feel like you dream a little bit bigger, too.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

I think you do. I think you also kind of can relate, you know, to. To things more. And you also. Because if you like us, you stay so close together as a family in order to try to make it And I think that in itself gives you a strength that you wouldn't have had you not had, you know, to know what it's like to work together.

[Bunny]

Yes, ma'am.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

You know, to make things work and to keep a family together.

[Bunny]

Let's talk about the Grand Ole Opry. Opry. Because you made your first appearance at the Grand Ole Opry when you were 13 years old. How was that for you? Walking out on that stage at 13, being introduced by Johnny Cash.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

It was scary.

[Bunny]

Yeah. I could imagine.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

My heart was beating like a drum. But I always said my desire to do a thing has always been greater than my fear of it. So I just try to hold on to that. I thought, well, I can't turn around in the middle of stage and run back. I thought, I gotta finish it.

[Bunny]

It's kind of how I felt today.

[Mimi]

No matter what.

[Bunny]

I was so scared. Oh, no, in a good way, though. I feel like if you're not. If you're not scared of what you're doing, you're not growing.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, I agree with that. But anyway, that was scary. That was big. That was, you know, working with, just being around all those big elders. But I was also in awe of it. And like I said, of course, I mean, I was just a country kid. You know, you're always nervous when you first time you ever eat in a restaurant around people. You're not used to knowing how to do that, what, spoons and forks. And even to this day, I still don't know exactly when I go to these big, fine meals and all that, but I figured, well, I wouldn't be here if I wasn't a star. Hell with them. I'm going to eat what I eat and do. Has to. But I still would like to know those things, but I just never learned it. And now I don't care that I. You know, sometimes you think, oh, gets.

[Bunny]

To a point where you've earned your life.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

You just kind of watch other people. That's how you. How you learn. I'll watch them, and when they pick that up, I'll pick that up and I'll do this and I'll do that.

[Bunny]

I could never, I could not point out a salad fork to you if somebody paid me. I don't know how to do that either.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I just kind of watch if it's a big old, big thing, like if I'm invited to eat with the royal family or something. You think I'm very uncomfortable. Yeah, but I better watch. So I Don't make a fool of myself or them.

[Bunny]

So, circling back to the Opry, Johnny Cash introduced you, and he's known for his powerful presence and mentorship. What do you remember about your interaction with him that night? And did he say anything to you that stuck with you throughout your career?

[Machine Gun Kelly]

He said, hello. That stuck with me because at that time, I thought, see, I had seen Johnny Cash at another time when we were sitting in the audience, and I had the biggest crush on him. Oh, my gosh, he had so much magnetism. And I was young, you know, I was just beginning to feel those hormones. Look at, you know, to where you feel those things.

[Bunny]

I never felt very masculine energy.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, he did. You know, he had all that, you know, movement and all. I found out later it's because he was coming off drugs.

[Bunny]

Oh, no.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

He had. He just had twitches I thought was magnetism.

[Bunny]

I love that.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

But there was some truth in that, I think the way he kind of moved.

[Bunny]

He was a Pisces. Right.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

But I loved him, and for years and years, I told him he was my first crush. And he was. And then. So in my Broadway musical, the Life Story, I cover that, about Johnny touching me on the shoulder. It just changed my life because I thought I was growing then because I felt all those feelings. But he was a real nice guy and very quiet. But I became best friends with June and Johnny after. So as the years went by, we would visit, and we liked each other a lot.

[Bunny]

She was a good woman. I really. I really.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

She was a loudmouth like me.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

So we got along just fine. And Johnny. I remember where somebody said something about Johnny, don't you get tired of hearing June talk all the time? And he said, no, I do some of my best thinking when June's talking. So he does. But I think. I think he does some of his best thinking when I'm talking.

[Bunny]

No, I think that's how all husbands are. They just tune us out, you know, they're just so used to us. When you performed that night, did you already have a sense of, like, the legacy that you wanted to build in country music, or did that experience at the Opry shift your perspective on what was possible for you as an artist? Because.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Well, at that time, I was just so nervous, and. And I reflected on that years later, as I still do. But at that time, it was just a big deal, you know, to be there at the Grand Ole Opry with all those big name artists. And so I think that I was just. It was just kind of addling at that time I was just kind of addled about the whole thing. But I knew that that was, you know, just like when I got my encore on the Cassie Walker show the first time I was on there, and I thought, oh, boy, you know, I'm going to be a star. And now I. Years later, I realized they weren't applauding so much because I was good. It was just because I was little, you know. No, it wasn't because I wasn't. You know, you have to develop and grow, but you know how everybody wants to be good to a kid. And the fact that I was out there doing it, I think they, you know, people were just extra nice, and I think a whole lot of that might have been so with the opera, it was just kind of cute when you see a young person doing something, so. But I did feel. And I. I felt back on it shortly after thinking, wow, you know, I was on Grand Ole Opry and they liked me.

[Bunny]

So. They asked you for three encore.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

This is what I. I want to do.

[Bunny]

Yeah. They asked you for three encores after your first.

[Machine Gun Kelly]

Yeah, but I didn't give them to them. No, I'm joking.