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Bonnie
Hey, guys, I need to ask you a question. I want to know, why in the hell are you not on Patreon? I don't think you guys even realize how much content we have on Patreon. Let me break it down for you. We have the Bunny XO show. We have Meet the D Fords. We have propaganda. We have. We have a cooking show that's coming. We have more shows that we're adding. And not to mention, we have the visuals of the podcast. Not only that, we have four tiers that caters to everybody's budget. And everybody gets the podcast. There's no more excuses. Stop listening right now and head over to www.patreon.com backslash Dumblon podcast and sign up. Stop missing out. We have built a huge community over there, guys. I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of people over there. We even live chats. Live chats that I actually am talking in every single night. I'm in there just confessing all of my sins to you guys. I mean, it's. It gets a little ridiculous. Last but not least, we give away gifts every freaking month. I'm talking, like, signed stuff from Jay and I lives. You just never know what kind of surprise you're gonna get. It's like a Cracker Jack box. I love the community that we've built over there at Patreon. If you are already a Patreon member, I freaking love you, dude. Thank you so much. From my sideshow tier to the car carnival tier to the ringleader tier to the main attraction. You guys are my babies for life. My writers. If I could, I would literally make out with each and every one of you. I love you guys so much. And that's a lot of kisses, actually. Gotta go. Bye. Is this thing on? Bonnie who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde. Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of money, and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today I have a mother daughter duo, which is a first for me because I normally don't do mother daughter duos, but these two have grown up together in the public eye, and I figured, what better duo to bring on than Sophia and Farrah Abrams? Yes.
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Farrah Abraham
I know. What a good duo that is. True. I feel like we've definitely grown up together. I am her mom. But, yes.
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Bonnie
I just want to say you look beautiful.
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Farrah Abraham
Thank you.
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Bonnie
I feel like the tabloids attack you so much for, like, work that you get done. And I mean, you know, they attack me too, so I know how it feels. But it's like seeing you in person, I'm like, you look gorgeous. Like, what? What are they talking about?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, thanks. You know, I can't help but social media cameras look like that cracks me up because literally, as we're flying in here, I'm like, sophia, someone tagged me on this crazy, like, artwork of my botched face that doesn't look like my botched face. I'm like, this is funny today. This gives me some laughter. Sophia just, like, laughs at it too. But I'm like, I'm really happy. I don't do much work. I take things out of my face. I really am on a journey of really getting back to myself. And so it's kind of funny when I just do a live, and our cameras are weird and people think I've gone crazy with plastic surgery, but that's not the case.
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Bonnie
Well, I figured it out because I went down a wormhole just, like, reading, and it's because you use filters. And so that's. Honestly, I. The same thing was happening to me. People were like, how much work have you had done? And I'm like, bro, I've had Botox and a little bit of filler in my lips done. Like, what are they talking about?
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Farrah Abraham
And that's because it's gone.
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Bonnie
The filters that we use make us look like we have way more work done than we do because you're sitting here and you look gorgeous. So I'm just like, But I do.
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Farrah Abraham
Have my Fara filter that has, like, had billions of hits, and I love it. And if I don't like to get ready that day. I will totally use that.
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Bonnie
Yeah. What have you had done so that we can clarify that with everybody?
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Farrah Abraham
Well, I, you know. Okay, so I will just say I have had a nose job. I have had a chin implant. I. And then I just dabble here and there with fillers at times that go, you know, they stay, they go. But I also, like, was trying to do a lip implant and I was on botch the show because I almost died from that, so. And I took out my chin implant, but for some reason.
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Bonnie
Take out the chin.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I took out my chin implant. And for some reason, people always go back and compare Farah looks great like this with the face that had a chin implant, a swollen nose from a surgery. Just. I was actually really depressed at that year of my life. Like, that was the most. What's it called, like, when you're just the lowest.
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Bonnie
Your lowest point?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, it's like a face dysmorphia. Like when you body dysmorphia. I had that at that time when I had that chin implant. And so for people to say, oh, we love Farah better then when I was definitely like anti myself and peer pressured and just like, oh, I want to look good. That was just like way too much. So. I love my face now. I love who I am. I love coming back to myself. Maybe like just rejuvenation and skin tightening and really taking care and upkeep of myself is what I pride myself on. And that's like good self love.
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Bonnie
There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I think people get it twisted. They're like when women get filter fillers and Botox and stuff like that, they're like, oh, she must be unhappy with herself. And it's like, no, I like to invest in myself. Your body is an investment.
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Farrah Abraham
It is an investment.
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Bonnie
It's a temple. You gotta dress it up or dress it down, whatever you want to do, but it's your body to do that with, so. Well, yeah, enough about your looks. I just wanted to hone in on that because I feel like the tablets just tear you apart for that. And that's not fair, you know, So I don't like that at all. But yeah. Sophia, we have you sitting here too. How are you doing, baby?
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Sophia Abrams
I'm doing good.
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Bonnie
She just got her tongue pierced, so she said she doesn't want to talk a lot. The tongue piercing actually caused a ton of controversy.
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Sophia Abrams
I know people hate a lot. Unlike every single piercing I get. And it's just like chill. Like it's not that big of a deal, you know, But I do know some people are really strict about that growing up and. But it's just me. And I feel like getting piercings enhances my looks and I feel really confident about them and I make sure to get ones that I know I would actually look good in. So, yeah, I'm confident in my piercings and I love them and they are all healing really good.
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Farrah Abraham
I love it.
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Bonnie
Yeah, I love that. I went through a piercing phase when I was young too. I did it behind my parents back though, because they wouldn't allow it. How do you feel about everybody just questioning your parenting because you let your kid get, what is it? A tongue piercing and snake bites?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, good, good point. Bunny segue into how I feel. So we've had parents even come with us to the piercing place, like on her birthday. And I do see this psychological, like, spiral that other parents go through when they're seeing Sophia choose this consent to do this. I have to sign off as a parent and give consent to it. And I'm not there to freak out, go in a spiral, like shame, blame, reject my child. I'm here to make sure my child's seen she is safe and she is supported. So if those three things are always top of mind, then I know that what I'm doing, the footsteps that I'm walking in, my parent journey are right where they need to be for my child. So yeah, I could say a lot about other parents and what they feel about me and my daughter's friends, parents. But I also know once they calm themselves and maybe do a therapy session, they usually text me and really are like, wow, you open my eyes to parenting in a different way. I love that. Yeah. I was never the girl though. I was never the kid growing up to be like, could I get a piercing? Could I get a tattoo? Could I get this? Could I get that? It was just no one ever had any of those things growing up and so I just never thought about it. And when I'm like famous and people are just like, I'll give you free this, free this, free this, free tattoos. Like, I could tattoo up my whole body. I could do all that. I just myself, personally, I'm not prepared for that. But I see, like, Sophia is prepared. She's at that point in her mental state in her life and she can do that. And I am not the person to, I don't know, I've just gone through this whole thing with a lot of legal battles that I am going through and I learned so much about consent, culture, and leading with that and allowing someone to have their will, their rights, their freedoms. And I think that's just very important on maybe the littlest things like a piercing or tattoos. And so I'm just, again, those three things. Seeing safe, supported, that's all I need to be for my child.
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Bonnie
I never thought that I would agree with you more. I totally feel the same way. Because I feel like in this generation of parenting and children, because we have a 16 year old, she's about to be 16, there's so much more. You got to choose your battles. There is so much more worse that these kids could get into. Excuse my language. That these kids could be getting into. And it's like if they want to get a piercing, they're gonna. It's either it's a phase or it's not. I kept mine for 20 years, you know what I'm saying? So it's like if Bailey wants to come to me and get a piercing, that's gonna make me happy. Because she could be like, doing other things that are way worse behind my. Our, you know, her parents back. And I just totally agree with that. I think making kids feel seen and heard and letting them be who they want to be and having free will is an amazing route to go. How do you feel about that? Do you love that your mom lets you get piercings and stuff like that?
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Sophia Abrams
Yeah. I'm very grateful that she supports all my decisions and my piercings.
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Bonnie
We love your look. We were just talking about it. I was like, if I could look like Sophia, I would, because that's really how I look on the inside.
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Farrah Abraham
I love Sophia's look too, and I'm happy with whatever look she decides and what she loves. Yeah. I just feel like I was just raised in a different way. Like, I was called a witch for wanting a rhinoplasty. I like.
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Bonnie
By your mom?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, by my mom. So I know that that doesn't give anyone self worth, like, feeling worthy. And that is number one when you're getting, you know, if you have fame or if you have anything, your self worth needs to be built up so that you are not vulnerable for other things. Like, I was very much predatored on and still dealing with some of those problems. So I'm just trying to set up a next generation to have that safe grit. Yeah. That safe place. Be seen, know who they are and not seek that in other people.
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Bonnie
Not seek validation in other people. Speaking of moms, would you consider your mom your best friend?
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Sophia Abrams
I mean. Yeah. She is my mom.
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Farrah Abraham
I am your mom.
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Sophia Abrams
My best friend.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
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Bonnie
Thank you.
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Farrah Abraham
I love you. You're so. You're so cute. I'm so cold, but I want to give you a hug.
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Bonnie
Aw.
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Farrah Abraham
I love you, honey. I love you.
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Bonnie
You guys have pretty much grown up together. The world has watched both of you guys grow up, like, literally you as a baby, you have grown up in front of the world. And I think that's why everybody is so obsessed with you now. Like, you're kind of like the new it girl on TikTok right now because everybody's like, what's Sophia doing?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, Sophia does not like to show much that she does. So, yeah, that could be the emo in her, but yes, not emo.
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Sophia Abrams
I'm goth.
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Farrah Abraham
Oh, Goth. That could be the goth in her.
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Bonnie
Describe to us. Explain to us what the difference between emo and goth is, just in case people at home don't know.
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Sophia Abrams
So I do know that there is many types of goth, goths out there, like traditional goth and just I would say regular goth. But emo is like regular dark clothes, I feel like, and accessories. I mean, today I'm kind of emo because I didn't want to go all out. But goth, I feel like, is like black dresses, corsets, and lots of jewelry, sometimes belts. I follow a lot of goth people on Tick Tock and they are so cool. I admire them and I want to be like traditional goth, I feel like one day. But yeah, today I'm kind of email.
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Farrah Abraham
I would say I love goth.
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Bonnie
I love emo. I love it all. I always thought it was music selection. I always thought. Mimi, haven't we talked about this before? Isn't like emo and goth like music selection? Isn't it music and interest of like the culture?
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Farrah Abraham
Because, like, a female culture is significantly.
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Bonnie
Different than a gothic culture.
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Farrah Abraham
Like, what your interests are in per se of those things.
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Bonnie
And their music is completely 50, 50 different, right?
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Sophia Abrams
Yes.
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Bonnie
That's awesome. Farah, do you feel like you are having an opportunity to be the mom that you never had with Sophia?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's the opportunity to be the mom that I never have, but I have one opportunity to be the best parent that I can be in my life. I have no competition with my mom, my grandma, my sister. I have no competition with anyone to be the best mom. I am running my own race and being the best parent that I can be. And I was giving given, like eye openening experiences in my lifetime to say, like, I'm not repeating that with my child. So, like, public school, it wasn't going to be repeated. I had a superintendent as a neighbor. No matter how much we push and push and push to have a better, safer public school environment, it just never happened for me. Like, fights, bad situations, and I guess, like, when, like, a public or governmental system fails, I take it upon myself to just lead. So I found, like, best homeschooling practices and whatever else, like, for Sophia's career, those type of things. I don't know. No one's laid out the. No one's laid out that path. So I definitely am just, like, I'm on this journey and figuring out as fast and as best as I can.
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Bonnie
I don't think anybody knows how to be a parent. I inherited a child, and we're still figuring it out. You know, we got full custody of Bailey seven years ago, and nobody gives you a handbook and says, hey, this is how you have to be a parent. And there's also no one size fits all to being a parent.
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Farrah Abraham
That's right. Yeah.
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Bonnie
Every child is different. Every emotion, every personality, every. It's just all different. And so I think. Think what? I think as long as Sophia is happy and healthy and feels like she's safe, that's. You're already winning.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
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Bonnie
You know, and do you feel these things, Sophia?
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Farrah Abraham
Yes.
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Bonnie
She's shaking her head over here.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah. I mean, everyone is different. I mean, I got Sophia's brain scanned, and I got my brain scanned from Doc.
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Bonnie
Amen.
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Farrah Abraham
Right, Doctor? Amen.
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Bonnie
How was that? Because I was gonna do that with him, too, but I chickened out.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah. It is life changing. I. I feel like that is literally what I mean. To know yourself better than anyone else could tell you who you are. I think that's probably like, the biggest gift in our journey of life, is to know yourself, see yourself fully, not guess from a therapist and be like, oh, I. I have this. I'm dealing with this. And, well, let's try to, like, guess. But I also think for children who just aren't diagnosed properly with different ADA compliances, I just was kind of tired of not having the help or the support, and that's why we kept switching schools. But myself, I found out that I was, like, ADA compliant ADHD. I, like, when I was 29, and to go through my whole life of people just wrongfully firing me, telling me I'm difficult, like, girls not liking me, my family kind of disowning me, I just was like, I can't be mad at them. I can't dislike them. I can't have hate towards them. But I also know I just need people who are educated around me. I need to thrive. I'm done with all that traumatic crisis behavior and just I really want to have education in my journey now as parenting.
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Bonnie
So do you feel like getting that diagnosis helped kind of clear things up for you? Of like, oh, this is why I've acted the way that I've acted and this is why people have perceived me of how I've been act.
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Farrah Abraham
And I also think like, dating, when you know, like, what your brain type is and what you like. I think only certain dating shows show, like, oh, this is a pet peeve. And this is what I don't like. But if we really, like started employing like, brain matching and like those psychological factors, we would find our soulmates faster. We would understand what we need, like, what's going to be a good match for us.
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Bonnie
So describe to me what a brain match is, because I would like to know. Yes.
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Farrah Abraham
So Dr. Amen has something free online and it's like a brain survey and you find your brain type. So I have brain type 2. Sophia's 10, right? Pardon me? Yeah, Sophia's brain type 10 and it.
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Bonnie
Can you describe what they are to me? Like, what is a 2 and what is a 10?
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Farrah Abraham
Okay. So part of me with my ADHD and attentive disorder is like, I will like short term memory loss. Like, I can't recite it back. I'd have to look it up. So just being frank. But so mine's like, I don't even know. I forgot like the foods, types of friends, types of jobs.
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Bonnie
Okay. So it breaks it down like that.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, they break it down. They kind of make it individualistic and. Yeah. So when I went on this like 12 step dating journey and learning how to date again and we were talking so much, so she was like, go on all these dates. And I stopped doing dating shows because it just was not happening there. And I was like talking to these people in depth, like about intentional dating, like, trying to figure out, like, their brain types. And sure enough, the boyfriend I have right now, he has the same brain type as me. He took the survey and he's gonna get his brain scanned.
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Bonnie
That's like us with the autism test. We make everybody that wants to come in our circle and hang out take the autism test. Because I am high on the autism thing. So is Haley and so is Mimi. We all.
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Farrah Abraham
Oh, I have no idea what's.
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Bonnie
Oh, I'm gonna give it to you.
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Farrah Abraham
Oh, yeah. Please.
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Bonnie
What is it? Rads? Yeah, we'll send it to you.
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Farrah Abraham
I would love to test you guys.
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Bonnie
Take it tonight. No, please, you guys have to take it tonight. And I want to know you guys scores.
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Farrah Abraham
Okay. So does this mean everyone has autism?
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Bonnie
I mean, I think a lot of us have a splash of it for sure.
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Farrah Abraham
For some reason that didn't show up on my brain scan. I just want to let you know that's how I can be in your friend group.
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Bonnie
Yeah. Does autism show up on brain scans? I wonder if it does or if it doesn't. I'm not positive about that.
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Farrah Abraham
From what I know, he does describe how he diagnoses people with certain levels of autism and many different kind of brains.
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Bonnie
Okay, I didn't know that.
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Farrah Abraham
I'm trying to think back. Well, anyways, there's graphs. I also did direct neurofeedback for my brain too after having a brain scan. And they talked about all different kinds of things to correct it. Help those. So I did like 200 sessions of that.
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Bonnie
That's amazing. I love that you're always working on yourself.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I did a whole year of that. Now I'm kind of done with it. But it was, it was needed.
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Bonnie
Take me on this journey that you did a 12 step therapy, trauma therapy program.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I did. In. I think it was. It's going to be two years in March. I did a trauma 12 step program. I think that's what it was like a recovery program. And literally changed my life. So I had the reason why I finally went. I feel like a lot of us don't understand. Like if you could search up like spiritual melody chart. I didn't know what that was at all until I stepped foot in here. But I saw it in life. All of us see it in life. Like when we're looking at someone going through a hard time, maybe depression, maybe anxiety, all these things, their spiritual melody is being like upset. And when someone reaches such a certain level, they're at risk of hurting themselves, death, whatever, attracting a lot of negative things. So at the time when I was going to the trauma center, I was kind of stuck in a repetitive pattern that was attracting a lot of criminal activity to me. And now it's so funny because after the center, I just attract the best people to me.
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Bonnie
Right.
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Farrah Abraham
So I think that's something to keep in mind if you are feeling like, whoa, I keep dating lots of bad people. I keep like being attacked on the street. I keep having a lot of fights and arguments. It's because you need a Reset. You need to recover. And a lot of people just don't think they deserve trauma help.
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Bonnie
So when you went to the. What was this exact program? Was it like to actually treat, like, childhood trauma or was it like, oh.
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Farrah Abraham
So I was sexually assaulted.
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Bonnie
Okay.
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Farrah Abraham
Recently. It wasn't like, in childhood. And I think a lot of the people who I met, they had significant amount of, like, sexual assaults trauma, those type of things. Very deep, like, veterans were there all sorts of things that they had held on for a very long time. I think with one trauma, like a sexual assault trauma, I don't think I could endure or live if I didn't go get help. So I was like, I need something.
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Bonnie
Can you. Can you talk about the sexual assault? What happened? Is this the situation that happened with the mayor?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah. I mean, we're, like, really dealing with all that stuff, like, right now.
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Bonnie
Yeah.
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Farrah Abraham
So I. I don't, like, mean to, like, hold anything back, because I'm sure it would help so many people. But I also know, like, we are dealing with someone who is systemic, like, habitually a rapist. So I probably don't want to give any fuel to that. But if we want to just talk about, like, great things for other. I mean, like, honestly, I said to myself this week, because I'm dealing with so many legal issues, I said to myself, I was like, I think I'm gonna have to break down and just go get a support group. Because I'm like, it's gotta be tough.
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Bonnie
To hold all that in and not talk about it.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah. Because again, like, rapey vibes, right? Rape culture vibes, opposite of consent. Consensual vibes is lying continually, like, masking. And when you're going through a legal issue and someone's always lying and speaking for you and covering their ass, and it's just like, huh, you know, I can journal about it, but I also, like. I truly like to watch movies that dive into, like, someone making peace, getting past it and, like, moving on. So it's like, I've made peace with it. I'm trying to move past it. But then you have these legal core problems that just go on for years, like my lawyer said at the beginning. And I just feel, you know, like my heart goes out to so many other rape victims who are, like, going through this stuff for years. It's just. It's really tedious.
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Bonnie
Yeah, it's very hard. I do think talking about it, like you said, is probably the best thing. One, for you, therapy, and two, to help your. That's your testimony. You know something that you've survived and that you've gone through. So maybe people are able to connect with you if they, you know, were to. Were to know more details of what had happened or what is going on.
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just. This is sad, but from reading so many legal documents about assaults, because, again, I didn't understand the situation that I became a part of, which was, like a sexual assault, like, problem. And so my lawyers just kept sending me a lot of, like, legal documents to read of, like, Jane does, so I, like, would understand what it looks like, why this happens, like, all these things. And then I got so interested in it and so passionate that I was like, I'm going to go get a legal degree. So I went down that, got my paralegal certificate, and I'm getting ready to do a JD in law. But I think the comment, like, this is so weird that this happened at this time in my life. But I saw, like, innocent people not being believed. And then I saw a lot of people who actually lied. This could be men or women lie about being sexually assaulted. And I think learning from lawyers, what we're looking at, how we're seeing that, how this comes up, you really know, like, to fight for your truth, to stand firm. Because others who lie and kind of like, predator, like men or women who they claim that they were assaulted by, that's like a whole other psychological thing. So I think there's, like, a lot of trauma work, no matter what, even if you're lying about it, if you're telling the truth. I've been going through all this stuff and breaking that down because I started writing a screenplay about it, and I used it in one of my Harvard classes for screenwriting. And I got to see it, like, acted out with actors and read. And I think, like, maybe just for me, I would feel safer showing that in, like, an artistic form, like a series. And I love watching movies and TV series that really help comfort people who are actually really going through a long, long legal battle with sexual assault. Because I think, like, Sophia showed me some funny episode on Shameless about one of the guys, like, pretending that he got sexually assaulted and going in and going through this whole process. And I think sometimes you need. You need someone like my daughter to let you laugh and make light of a really deep, dark situation that I was put on medication for. The medication wasn't helping.
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Bonnie
Were you raped?
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Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
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Bonnie
Okay.
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Farrah Abraham
Sexually assaulted. Okay.
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Bonnie
Or.
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Farrah Abraham
I don't know what that means to you. So. Sorry.
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Bonnie
Yeah, I mean, sorry.
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Farrah Abraham
I'm Like, I don't know if, you.
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Bonnie
Know, there's so many different, you know, falls under that umbrella. A sexual assault could be being groped. Could be. Oh, this was when you don't want to be. Or like, this, like, you. That's why I asked if you were raped.
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Farrah Abraham
So this was like some. Oh, sorry, I didn't, like, know that you didn't know that of what. Yeah, so there you go. It's like, oh, you know, sometimes you can limit yourself because you don't want to get too close to the problem at hand. Right, Right. Vulnerability. So, yeah, I was drugged and woke up, like, thinking, like, did someone set me up? Like, are we both in this together? Who would do this? And then I realized it was him who did that. And I was stark naked, did not know where any of my clothes were. My necklace was broken, all that stuff. And it was just like, flight. Like, I just, like, ran. I just really didn't know how to behave.
- [28:30]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [28:31]
Farrah Abraham
So doing the best you can. And I think for a lot of other sexual assault victims, you do the best you can when you are the crime scene straight up. It's just like, a lot of people are like, I'm watching Crime Stoppers and Dateline and all these other criminal shows, but I think I was raised with that too. I love watching criminal shows, too, but, like, when you're in it, it's way different. It was literally, like, sometimes I used to say, like, you know, different red carpets are doing these things. Oh, it's so surreal. Being sexually assaulted and being like, the crime scene was surreal. That was like. It just felt like my brain and my body was not connected. And so I had to do a lot of therapeutic work. Somatic experiencing work on that.
- [29:18]
Bonnie
That's heavy. I've never heard anybody refer to themselves as the crime scene. And that's pretty heavy. That's deep.
- [29:24]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, that's real.
- [29:27]
Bonnie
Moving on from that. I've heard you say a bunch of things in there, so let me see if I can catch up. You said you did a screenplay in your Harvard class. So are you attending Harvard or.
- [29:37]
Farrah Abraham
So I actually got in an argument with Harvard about my neurodivergence.
- [29:41]
Bonnie
Okay.
- [29:42]
Farrah Abraham
So even though I'm ADA compliant and. Turn that in. Yeah. So that lady kicked me out or not the lady with screenwriting. She gave me E for exemplary. She, like, raved. She was like, this is what you need to do. And I think sometimes when you are going through trauma, the power of the pen and writing it and kind of sharing it in, like, A theatrical way is like, that has always been there for me. So, like, even when I was pregnant with Sophia, I lost her father. That was super traumatic for me. I was in acting class at that time, and my acting teacher was like, you need to continue this or just continue going to classes. He's just like, you need to use this as a power. So if anything, I would say that for people who are going through really traumatic experiences.
- [30:26]
Bonnie
So you were going to Harvard and somebody kicked you out?
- [30:30]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, in one of my other classes, neurodivergence was an issue for her. So even though that's against the law in education, educational places, so I have found better colleges.
- [30:43]
Bonnie
Yeah. When you just touched base on her father passing. Can we talk about that? Because you were so young when that happen and that had to have crushed you.
- [30:53]
Farrah Abraham
It did. And you know what, speaking of the trauma center, I know I went to the trauma center for a recent situation that was traumatic, but I did not know that I should have gone to a trauma center at 16 when I lost her father. Because, yes, that's the first time I was put on, like, medication. I was suicidal again, not knowing my ADA compliant disability and knowing how to deal with loss, it was just scary. And so, yeah, when I was at the trauma center, I met other women who were there because they lost their boyfriends in traumatic situations and like, other kind of like people who are just lost a lot of people. So I was like, why did I. Why did I not come to the trauma center when I was 16 or pregnant and have all these cool tools now that I have in my mind, in my brain, at home? It really probably would have helped me bounce back quicker, maybe from a sexual assault or bounce back quicker from other traumas that I continually have. So I'm just again, thankful for that.
- [31:59]
Bonnie
Circling back to the traumatic experience of losing her father, do you feel like your mom was not there for you emotionally whenever. Because it plays out on the show. You and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship where it's like very on again, off again. And I. I feel as a viewer that your mom almost wasn't emotionally there for you. And do you feel like that has been like a huge thing in you and your mom's relationship even to this day?
- [32:29]
Farrah Abraham
Yes. You see, like on this show that maybe my mom and I disagree about a lot of things. I would say in all because I had to, like, really, you know, like 12 step inventory trauma center. You actually write down. It's called the fifth step. You write down anyone you have Relationships with. So I'm writing down my mom, I'm writing down my dad, anything. And what came up, just so you know, in those, like, 12 steps and, like, going through relationships and why. Maybe people saw, like, maybe I didn't feel like my mom was supportive. It's actually way more than just not having support. It's like, was I seen?
- [33:08]
Bonnie
Right?
- [33:09]
Farrah Abraham
She never saw how much I love someone. She, like, she came up after hearing that he had passed away, that she was happy that he was gone. And I think we might have. We might have our own feelings, like I would with Sophia and her boyfriends in those situations. But I do. I do know that, like, I have reasoning and capability of understanding. Like, someone has feelings here, and I need to put my stuff to the side. That was crazy. But a lot of what came UP at the 12 Step Trauma center when you're writing down your relationships is abandonment, abandonment, abandonment. And most people will say, well, I didn't abandon you. Like, you were living at my house. I was giving you shelter. I was doing this. But abandonment might come from not being seen, not being feeling safe. I didn't feel safe in that environment. And not being supported. Like, we say, just support. But it's really, like, a lot of those three things that I said I wanted to do for my daughter that I realized I did not have in my home with my dad, with my mom, maybe with my whole family at large when I look back at it. So there was no surprise. And once I got out of the trauma center, like, I stopped talking to my dad. I stopped talking to my mom. I haven't talked to them in almost. I think my mom, she was, like, at 30, so 32. So everyone's been kind of around two years. I've stopped talking to my family. Like, I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life. And it's good that I got to again, write down inventory and see why. And what. So there's these prompts about childhood, what I would like to say. Do I want to write letters to them? And half the letters I wrote when I was there, no one responded or no one wanted to talk about those things when I got out. So I'm just taught to be like, okay, that's where someone is. They can't meet me, and I have to go live my own life. So that's what I've been doing. It's been really relieving relief.
- [35:18]
Bonnie
Does your relationship with your mom affect Sophia's, too? Sophia, do you choose to talk? Do we call her grandma? Mm. Do you choose to talk to Grandma or just be or because mom and her don't have a relationship, you choose not to. Also, um.
- [35:33]
Sophia Abrams
Honestly, I'm really comfortable not talking to her at all. And with my grandpa, too, it hasn't really bothered me at all, not talking to them over the years.
- [35:46]
Bonnie
Gotcha.
- [35:47]
Farrah Abraham
I'd have to say, like, anything that I do does not need to affect someone else.
- [35:53]
Bonnie
Right.
- [35:53]
Farrah Abraham
A lot of the grandparents in my family, I've just noticed a habitual thing where they feel like Farrah's, like, me, I'm the horrible person because I. I'm making someone else not talk to them. To be completely transparent, I saw that my daughter was being affected by their bad behavior every time that they were around. You know, to not feel loved, to not be heard again, like, as a kid, or just be like. Like, just back and forth, stuck between all these. I can't say the word immature. It's just a lack of education of how to have communication. That's really just such a mess that I was raised in, that I knew I did not want that for my daughter. And I was trying to be, like, a good daughter. And, like, I flew my daughter out to Arizona to meet her other grandparents. I've flown her back and forth for 16 years or whatever to, like, see her dad's side of the family. But when you go to a trauma center and you take time for yourself, that is so needed, and everything's quiet, and you see, wow, I am such a damn good parent because I'm the only one who's paying Flying Dewy. No one else is.
- [37:13]
Bonnie
Right.
- [37:14]
Farrah Abraham
It's been over a decade. Like, let's stop this charade.
- [37:17]
Bonnie
But more importantly, you're there for your daughter. Like, I don't see you without Sophia.
- [37:22]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. Yeah. Like, I am number one, I think.
- [37:26]
Bonnie
And you're making her feel. You're making her feel every way that your parents never did. And to me, that's the sign. A sign of a good parent is breaking generational trauma and generational curses.
- [37:35]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [37:35]
Bonnie
And I think you're doing the best that you can all the way.
- [37:39]
Farrah Abraham
And so it can be seen transparently of who, what. Everything. Genetics, what's going on, why someone might be doing this, why someone might not, and to choose better choices. So Sophia was kind of the one to say, like, I don't want to hang out, or I need a break from certain grandparents. So the charade of the grandparents continually, always acting like I hinder anything. I've. I've seen with clear eyes what it is now.
- [38:09]
Bonnie
So and you just choose to remove yourself from a toxic situation, which. That's not a bad. That doesn't make you a bad person. Especially if you said that you wrote them letters and you were trying to communicate how you were feeling, and they completely told you, like, look, I don't want to deal with this right now. So that's not fair to you because it's like, when is the time to deal with it?
- [38:27]
Farrah Abraham
And that's fine if they're never there. So I'm just. I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna go live my life. And this is what I've been waiting for and healing. And I think, like, that's been so good for me to get out of trauma bonds. Like, let's have bonds of, like, I don't even know, happiness. Yeah. So I'm just excited to build good, healthy, happy bonds and leave all those trauma bonds behind. And if other people would like to stay there, that's not me. It's not helping my mental health in any capacity. Absolutely. And so, yeah, from that, I was like, okay, I'm going to keep 12 stepping in, like, dating and, like, career and life, and it's really been beautiful.
- [39:08]
Bonnie
When you say 12 stepping, does that mean sobriety?
- [39:11]
Farrah Abraham
Some people think it's about sobriety. I actually. I just have to say it like this. 12 stepping is about, like, the 12 step principles. So you don't have. It's not about, like, drinking. It's like, I think there's humility, brotherly love. Like, there's 12 principles of life that I think are just amazing and help me be my best self and connect and see myself and others, like, serving. So Those are the 12 step things I do in life.
- [39:40]
Bonnie
Gotcha. I've never heard of it. So that's why, you know, like, most people when they hear 12 steps, they're like, oh, okay, she's in the program. Or, like, you know, doing the 12 steps for, like, alcoholism or. I don't know if they have 12 steps for drugs. I'm not positive.
- [39:52]
Farrah Abraham
Oh, yeah, they do.
- [39:52]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [39:53]
Farrah Abraham
12 steps for everything. I honestly say, like, 12 steps for anxiety. I feel like I've looked at every group. Courts definitely had me do, like, 50 hours of AA and over that. But when I came to the trauma center, I was so disgusted, to be honest with you. I was so disgusted by alcohol and what alcohol had done, because there was just alcohol involved with my sexual assault or rape. And so everybody else maybe around me was like, I can't wait to drink. I can't wait to do drugs. And I was like, like, whoa, I could stay here all day long, and I don't even care about that stuff. But I am super excited to learn about these principles and, like, see if it works. And, like, if I turn on church, does it connect? And, like, everything just really showed me, like, this is what I have been yearning for my whole life. And so that's why I just say, I'm 12 step in dating. I'm 12 step in my career. Like, it's just principles that work.
- [40:54]
Bonnie
I do feel. Or do you feel actually not. It doesn't matter how I feel. Do you feel that alcohol has played a part in some of your legal issues as well? Because didn't you get it, like, a dui? And then also, you had, like, a little thing with us. Was it a security guard outside of a nightclub when you were drunk? And, like, they cuffed you and put you on the ground and stuff like that? Do you feel like alcohol has played a part in some of your legal troubles?
- [41:19]
Farrah Abraham
So alcohol definitely is a depressant and attracts negatives to you.
- [41:24]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [41:27]
Farrah Abraham
I'm literally.
- [41:28]
Bonnie
That's why they call it a spirit. Because it lowers your spirits.
- [41:31]
Farrah Abraham
Oh, yeah. It lowers your spirit. And I wouldn't recommend anyone who's been assaulted or attacked or hasn't been educated on trauma work should not be drinking. It really makes your life worse. And so, yeah, that I'm dealing with that legal problem even today. Yeah.
- [41:53]
Bonnie
Really?
- [41:53]
Farrah Abraham
Still going on. Yeah. Two years later, she won't stop harassing me. So, yeah, so now she's trying to do.
- [42:01]
Bonnie
You're lightweight. Funny as dude. Like, really, if people really paid attention, they would see that you are funny.
- [42:06]
Farrah Abraham
Sophia's hearing me, like, on court. Like, lawyer calls before this, because of her, she didn't know how to serve me. So she claims that she's gonna get lots of money from me right now.
- [42:17]
Bonnie
Okay. I thought it was a man that you. That they is saying that you slapped him or something.
- [42:22]
Farrah Abraham
Oh, no. This is a woman who's a liar, but she is just, like, that's why I have to postpone even, like, me doing, like, a comedy portfolio that I've been working on. Like, could you imagine me going to work and then being served in front of everyone? So it's like, I have to now reorganize my life around people who target me and won't stop harassing me because I just won't put up with it anymore.
- [42:47]
Bonnie
What happened? Like, you. You're out drinking with friends, and then.
- [42:50]
Farrah Abraham
I went to a dinner So I was definitely more about the food. There was alcohol.
- [42:55]
Bonnie
We love food.
- [42:56]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. And I was asked with my two other colleagues to go upstairs and see their new little rooftop thing. I didn't have a drink up there. I went to the bathroom. It felt like I was set up. One of their customers was in front of my purse, in my bag, in between my friends, not with her group. And I was like, could you please, like, move? That's my stuff. These are my friends. She wanted to keep going at me, hitting me, hitting my friend who was trying to block me.
- [43:22]
Bonnie
She hit you?
- [43:23]
Farrah Abraham
And then her friends are pointing to remove me. I'm being then manhandled by huge security guys. This woman puts herself in between this mix coming at me, and I say, leave me alone. You see me yelling, and this is like a girl, a different girl than I am today at that time, who has been sexually assaulted, can't handle too much.
- [43:42]
Bonnie
She's just been physically been through a lifetime of trauma. You've had trauma started when you were younger.
- [43:48]
Farrah Abraham
And so she doesn't want to listen. And so I do this with my arm, and you see the full movement on the camera. And she wants to try to touch my hand. And so literally my hand is, like, touching this woman's, like, mask, not her face. So her glasses are on, her mask is on. She keeps wanting to manhandle me with all the men. She then goes into an elevator with me. I'm just like, leave me alone. I walk off property waiting for my other friend who wants to call the police, wants to do all this stuff. And sure enough, then her and the other guy just finagle up to come after me off property. Then he cuffs himself to me. Is, like, touching me all over. She's over there yelling that I hit her in her face. And whatever. I'm yelling back. And so, yeah, basically, I'm winning a personal injury case. On top of this. The criminal case got thrown out because I did nothing. The personal injury case, I'm recovering all of my trauma costs and me moving and everything else. Like, I had death threats because this woman would not shut her mouth with all of her lies. Like, people literally thought I would hit and target security people, and that's just completely not the case. So dealing with all of this, it's just, like, stressful. I've had a lot of people just continually try to sue me, sue me, come after me, come after me, come after me. And I just don't want that in this next chapter of whether it's my comedy career. Me Showing up to places. And I also have to realize, like, I have to do. I don't even like security guards, to be honest. So me getting security is also like a trust fall. Like, no.
- [45:35]
Bonnie
That's how I am. My husband makes me travel with security everywhere, and I'm like, why? I feel like I have a babysitter. I'm like, I hate it. It drives me crazy.
- [45:44]
Farrah Abraham
I don't know. I've never. I've had a lot of issues with security guards. This is not the first one.
- [45:48]
Bonnie
I think you need to have somebody in your life that's there to protect you, though, because you are. You know, the fan base that you guys have from Teen mom is wild. Like, I've had Janelle and Kale on the podcast.
- [46:00]
Farrah Abraham
That's awesome.
- [46:01]
Bonnie
And, yeah, it is. Like, those people are really invested in you guys lives. You have. You guys have a lot of great fans, but it is like a culture fan base, you know, and we love it.
- [46:13]
Farrah Abraham
I love it.
- [46:13]
Bonnie
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. But the thing is, is in. In that sea of people who love you guys, there's a few people who have it out for you, and these are the people that you're, like, running into. So I think having somebody to protect you from, that isn't a bad idea.
- [46:26]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [46:27]
Bonnie
I will say one less lawsuit to worry about.
- [46:29]
Farrah Abraham
One last lawsuit. They keep coming.
- [46:31]
Bonnie
Yeah. How many do you have right now?
- [46:33]
Farrah Abraham
Just surf on lawsuits at this point?
- [46:35]
Bonnie
How many lawsuits do you have right now?
- [46:37]
Farrah Abraham
I'm, like, trying to close up, like, three. So who knows? Like, who knows? But I think, like, we're just reinventing the wheel of, like, okay, if we're going to do Nana Tour, if we're going to just, like, present it and package it, then we can, you know, control, like, who's on sets and how we do those things. So, like, I can still keep moving forward in my life.
- [47:00]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [47:01]
Farrah Abraham
So, yeah, I'm just kind of tired of sitting still, but it's been good.
- [47:05]
Bonnie
Take me on this journey of you doing comedy.
- [47:09]
Farrah Abraham
I feel like a Farah Abraham roast is overdue.
- [47:13]
Bonnie
Yeah. I would attend. I think it would be hilarious.
- [47:15]
Farrah Abraham
We'll. We'll give you the mic.
- [47:18]
Bonnie
So I don't want to be mean, though. I just want to watch.
- [47:20]
Farrah Abraham
It's good to roast people, you know, it's good to see if I've overcome.
- [47:23]
Bonnie
I love that you can laugh. I love that you can laugh at yourself, though, and you don't take yourself so serious. I think that's a great quality to have.
- [47:30]
Farrah Abraham
It's definitely been A challenge, you know.
- [47:34]
Bonnie
She'S like, I've been working on it. Yeah.
- [47:35]
Farrah Abraham
I'm working on so hard. I can't wait. But, yeah, I just want to do some things with comedy and maybe just talk about, like, behavior in a funny way. And I think learning behavior and learning myself, I think it's, like, been a good soul journey, and I want to share that in comedy.
- [47:54]
Bonnie
What spawned this whole entire journey with comedy? Have you just always been a comedy fan?
- [48:03]
Farrah Abraham
I don't even know. I mean, who doesn't love some Ace Ventura pet Detective, but.
- [48:07]
Bonnie
Right.
- [48:08]
Farrah Abraham
But I actually got my SAG credits from a Comedy Central special that they did for me. And after I got wrongfully fired from Teen Mom, I started getting SAG checks in the mail, and I started seeing where it was from, and I was like, oh, my God, it's from Dave Patel inviting me for my comedy special. And I was like, well, I really did like that, and it was so fun, and I liked the people. And I think in this next, next endeavor of my life, I'm kind of more intentional about who I'm working around.
- [48:40]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [48:41]
Farrah Abraham
How they're making me feel. And that comes with age, too.
- [48:45]
Bonnie
You're, what, 32 now?
- [48:46]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, yeah.
- [48:47]
Bonnie
I'm 44. So it takes, like, as you get older, you get to a point where you're just like, I don't care what. What the look is or how many people are going to see it. I care about being around people who are going to build me up.
- [48:58]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [48:58]
Bonnie
Make me feel good about myself. People I can learn from.
- [49:01]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [49:02]
Bonnie
You know, so I think that's awesome that you're realizing now.
- [49:05]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. So it's just wonderful. And I just hope to have great work environments and enjoy myself.
- [49:12]
Bonnie
When can we expect this comedy tour?
- [49:14]
Farrah Abraham
Oh, my God. Or the specials. I can say specials. I don't know about tour, but I would. I would hope by the end of this year. I know some other shows are coming out and we'll see, like, what happens, but. Yeah, I'm just kind of, like, risk assessing my career and just making sure. But I don't.
- [49:33]
Bonnie
You're reinventing yourself.
- [49:35]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [49:35]
Bonnie
I feel like you do that all the time. You have done. Is there anything you haven't done? You've made albums.
- [49:41]
Farrah Abraham
I haven't done, like, my law degree yet. Like, yeah, Ferris Court will be. I like Judge Judy. Oh, my God.
- [49:49]
Bonnie
That would be awesome.
- [49:49]
Farrah Abraham
I love her. I would love to do a court show, please.
- [49:52]
Bonnie
Oh, let's put it in the air. Manifest it. That would be awesome. Because you Literally, one thing I do admire about you, you have hustle. You're not lazy.
- [50:01]
Farrah Abraham
ADHD doesn't sit.
- [50:03]
Bonnie
Is that what I have? Is that why I can't sit still? I'm literally always on to the next goal.
- [50:09]
Farrah Abraham
It's fun.
- [50:10]
Bonnie
No, you literally are always doing something, always selling something. I mean, you are like, who doesn't like sales?
- [50:16]
Farrah Abraham
I love sales. I do love sales. I think if you're, like, good at serving people and, like, matching people and doing things, oh, my God. Sales is like a dream.
- [50:25]
Bonnie
Yeah, absolutely. Let's bring it over to Sophia for a little bit here. What do you want to be when you grow up? Have you ever thought about that?
- [50:33]
Sophia Abrams
Yeah, I've been getting into music, so I think when I grow up, I want to be a music artist, maybe, and a entrepreneur and a influencer.
- [50:43]
Bonnie
I love that. Does your mom influence that a lot? Do you really look up to your mom?
- [50:48]
Sophia Abrams
She did really support me doing my music when I was younger. I have two music videos from, like, super long time ago, which is, like, kind of cringe before goth.
- [50:59]
Bonnie
I mean, we all. We all have stuff that we look back on and we're like, what the hell was I thinking?
- [51:04]
Sophia Abrams
You know? Yeah. I wrote those songs myself.
- [51:08]
Bonnie
That's amazing. So you and Bailey would really get along. She writes her own music and stuff like that. We'll have to introduce the girlies. For sure.
- [51:14]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [51:15]
Sophia Abrams
So, sure.
- [51:16]
Bonnie
What's your favorite thing about your mom? What do you admire the most about her?
- [51:20]
Sophia Abrams
Her beauty. And you think I'm beautiful.
- [51:23]
Bonnie
That is sweet. You are. Thank.
- [51:26]
Farrah Abraham
Thank you.
- [51:26]
Sophia Abrams
She doubts that kind of often, but she's.
- [51:29]
Farrah Abraham
Look, I can. That's good. That I know where I need to work on.
- [51:34]
Bonnie
I love that.
- [51:35]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I love that. Thank you, Sophia. I appreciate you.
- [51:38]
Bonnie
What's your favorite thing about Sophia?
- [51:39]
Farrah Abraham
Oh, my gosh. Well, I love Sophia's beauty. Like, no joke. I always am. Like, you have, like, your dad's nose, the eyebrows, the chin. Like, I just. I love it. And I'm so happy you have the. All that going for you. You're gorgeous. And what else do. I mean, I pretty much love everything about my daughter. Like, I love. I loved you, like, parenting you as a kid. I love parenting you as a teen. I love your silliness. I mean, there's so much. I just love it all. There's. I don't know why it's making me. I don't know why. I don't know if I like my teenager today, but, like, I really. I practice my gratefuls and I think I just have always loved my daughter. Totally. Yeah.
- [52:26]
Bonnie
Holy. You love her for who she is.
- [52:28]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [52:28]
Bonnie
Do you guys feel like you're soul mates? Because, you know, soulmates don't have to be lovers. Soul mates can be friends, children, parents. Like, that's.
- [52:40]
Farrah Abraham
I do always wonder. I don't know if other parents wonder this or whatever, but I do feel like I was given my child, like, Sophia. Like, I was given Sophia. I don't know what it is. Like, even when, like, her dad wasn't there, I had her in the birthing room. And, like, I'm just looking at her. I just. Like, there was this eye connection. And, like, I knew that even though nothing was perfect, however I wanted to planet growing up, that I was meant to be there at this time with her. And I will never forget that from the hospital room. So I, like, life can just totally fall apart around you, like it has with me. But, yeah, I. I don't know if that's soulmate, if that's exactly what you meant.
- [53:28]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [53:29]
Farrah Abraham
But I do know, like, I was supposed to be with Sophia, and, like, she is my child. Like, I do know that. It's just crazy.
- [53:37]
Bonnie
You guys are gonna make me cry. I think that is so sweet.
- [53:40]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [53:40]
Bonnie
And, Farah, I want to give you your flowers because I watched a lot of interviews the other night just trying to get a feel for you and stuff like that. And I feel like a lot of people have you on their shows to attack you, and they don't give you a chance to actually, like, kind of flourish in the moment with you. And I'm sorry for that, for how people treat you like that. But also, people don't realize that you were at such a young age having a child on television, losing the father of your child and having to go through this with the world watching you with parents who didn't support and did not give you the proper guidance, and you are literally just figuring this shit out on your own.
- [54:26]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [54:27]
Bonnie
And that's heavy. And I just want you to say I see you, and I see what you're doing, and I think you're doing wonderful.
- [54:32]
Farrah Abraham
I love that. And thank you for seeing me. And I appreciate. I appreciate you being an amazing host.
- [54:38]
Bonnie
No, thank you.
- [54:39]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. Allowing it to do whatever it will be.
- [54:41]
Bonnie
Oh, no, I appreciate that. Let's talk about love. Let's talk about love. Let's talk about love. You got a new boyfriend? Well, he's been around since, what, 20, 21?
- [54:50]
Farrah Abraham
No, no, I read that wrong.
- [54:53]
Bonnie
Okay. Is that a different one?
- [54:54]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. Maybe it was a different one.
- [54:56]
Bonnie
All right, well, when did this one come about?
- [54:58]
Farrah Abraham
I have to say I date differently now. Now. So I did this guardian of your soul dating naked thing. I graduated from that when I turned 32. So last year.
- [55:08]
Bonnie
Okay, what is that? Is that part of the 12 step?
- [55:11]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. So Lisa Shield, who does this, she has her own amazing podcast, but she does this with her husband. You are there for 12 weeks. You have your own coach, you do your own, like, manifestation journal. She has 12 modules. You're reading books, you're hearing podcasts, you're hearing psychology, psychologist. Like, you're in a vortex of training yourself to be, like, a weapon of dating, basically. And so I did it. I committed. And I was like, you know, going on these dates feel like this is wasting my time. And I got this weird, like, dating show offer during that, and I declined because I've done so many dating shows, and I just don't. Like, I was at this point of, like, I'm tired of repeating, tired of repeating. Like, clearly something is disconnected. And it was more personal work and really diving in on that. And so Lisa did a 12 step program too. So when I shared about my 12 step program, she's like, yeah, so this is why we have 12 weeks, 12 modules, and we are focused on getting this alignment before your dating life. So I love it. I graduated and I was just like, look, I don't have anyone who I'll call my fiance or anything like that, but I'll keep doing this. And, like, I'm kind of like a late bloomer, even though I, like, zoom through things. And so, like, the leaders are like, well, keep checking in with us. Keep coming to the groups, like, whatever. And sure enough, like, I don't know, I went on almost, like, 100 dates and 100 dates. Like, almost 100 dates.
- [56:48]
Bonnie
Like, goodness, that's like speed dating.
- [56:50]
Farrah Abraham
And then one. One gentleman wasn't even, like, on. I realized he was on one of my dating apps after the fact, but.
- [56:59]
Bonnie
He feel like the cream of the crop is never on the dating apps.
- [57:02]
Farrah Abraham
Or I'm just not paying attention to it.
- [57:05]
Bonnie
Well, we're not attracting it.
- [57:06]
Farrah Abraham
I know. Yeah. Even though, like, we redo our online profiles and all this cool stuff.
- [57:11]
Bonnie
Right?
- [57:11]
Farrah Abraham
So he actually got my attention on my only fans page, so. And then was, like, zooming with me, and then I'm telling him about this dating program. Like, I'm just intentionally dating. Like, if you want to joke around and be like, I want to date Farrah Abraham, like, whatever. But I was Just like so on my game from this program about dating. So he ended up flying in to Austin to come see me. And we have just kind of been just. I don't know. He ended up getting a second house, a second car, a second everything, and lives in Austin right now. Like, I don't know, it just is, like, magical.
- [57:50]
Bonnie
I love it. So when did he come in the picture?
- [57:53]
Farrah Abraham
So we started talking in October. So, like, from June, July, August, September.
- [58:00]
Bonnie
Like, okay, so since last year.
- [58:02]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. So five months after this program, I really have, like, superly connected with someone.
- [58:07]
Bonnie
Oh, crazy. And he just loves every bit of you. Oh, yeah. Are you ever gonna say who he is or make him public?
- [58:15]
Farrah Abraham
You know, I. We both kind of are like, NDAs on both sides. So, like, I can share fun bits and stuff, but we don't really, like, share who. Who or me. Like, I am like, I will not be meeting your family. Like, I'm dating you. And I think I've also learned to date differently from not having my family around and truly being my most best self. So, yeah, like, he. I just love, like, he is all about self improvement with me. We're doing fun things together all the time, and I really just want to make sure, like, that's right. Like, that's really important.
- [58:51]
Bonnie
So if you guys do end up getting more serious, will you eventually meet his family?
- [58:57]
Farrah Abraham
I don't really need to really. Like, I'm really, like.
- [59:01]
Bonnie
Do you think part of you is scared? Because, like, ever you, I. I feel like you're one of those people who kind of like, waits for the ball to drop. Like, if something's going too good, you're like, okay, what's gonna this up?
- [59:11]
Farrah Abraham
Well, I'm trying to not have those brain patterns in my brain, but thank you. So I just want the ball to keep rising and elevating. Hot air balloon. Let's keep going up. And I do think from learning so much about him, like, he's learned so much about my family where I've come from. I think sometimes when you're building, like a interdependent relationship where you're both coming together and rising up together, there is no need for the background noise. Like, I'm not trying to attend a circus. He doesn't need to come to my circus. We just need to focus on going forth, building our own lives, building our own family, like, flourishing careers, the whole thing right now. And so that's why I'm kind of like his. His parents and everyone are very like, why won't you tell me your name. Oh. Like, they're always very, like, nosy. But I think I don't need anyone, like, Googling me, searching me when they know who I am, who I'm dating.
- [60:12]
Bonnie
Right. And that's what I mean. Like, does that scare you that his family could Google you and then just get the wrong opinion of you and then you feel like you're gonna have to be trying to change these people's opinion about you?
- [60:23]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I just don't operate like that anymore. So, like, when my mom or my dad got married and I was there for their weddings and stuff, and then they were their fiance's or everyone else was always, like, Googling me and seeing what I was up to, I actually stopped, like, posting for a while. I was like, you know, it's just not worth it. I don't care what I'm up to or what I've been up to. Like, if you can't be present with me and family, I don't need it. So I think that's all. I think that's why this relationship is flourishing so much, is that I don't talk about it much with other people. From what I've been trained to do, we're very present or flourishing. And, like, we go on trips, we have fun. I just want that for my life. I deserve an amazing relationship. And I saw, like, even bits of it when I was, like, saying I was in a relationship people really wanted to ruin and find and source and break. Break me down. So, like, I don't have a relationship, but that's actually what I've been working so hard for for, like, two to three years, is getting in this place. So. And, like, with no one else's help, just me. And so I, like, really need this.
- [61:33]
Bonnie
Have you met him yet, Sophia?
- [61:35]
Sophia Abrams
Yes, I have.
- [61:36]
Bonnie
Do you approve?
- [61:38]
Sophia Abrams
He's okay.
- [61:40]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. I mean, like, it's not like a year in or anything. It's totally serious. But Sophia and I met both of our boyfriends that we have now at the winter trip.
- [61:51]
Bonnie
Sophia, you have a boyfriend?
- [61:53]
Farrah Abraham
Yes.
- [61:54]
Bonnie
Oh, we're gonna talk about this after. Yeah.
- [61:58]
Farrah Abraham
So, yeah, we met together, our boyfriends together on our winter break trip this winter.
- [62:03]
Bonnie
So what do you think about Sophia's boyfriend?
- [62:06]
Farrah Abraham
You know, I can't really judge when the kids are, you know, 15, 16. I mean, wow. They have so, so much to do and grow because I was once there.
- [62:16]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [62:17]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [62:18]
Bonnie
Isn't it wild to think that she's pretty much the age that you got pregnant at?
- [62:23]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I was saying that the other night, so her boyfriend actually flew into Austin, Texas, because he lives in Utah for her birthday. And he's also homeschooled, which is like, great. So we had a great birthday weekend together. And I was like, sitting at dinner with them after she, like, blew out her candles and everything. And I was like, at 15, I was like, on party buses with like 20 some year olds.
- [62:49]
Bonnie
Isn't it wild how they're the opposite of us?
- [62:51]
Farrah Abraham
Like, yeah, I was like this wild child. And I was like, I am just so happy that Sophia is in like an amazing restaurant, has, like all this stuff, has someone who, like, actually cares. You know, they're just building like a great friendship and just quality, quality time, quality people that I kind of, really, to be honest, did not have. And it was just chaos. And I was like, I am so fortunate to see this for my child. It's just crazy to me. I love it.
- [63:22]
Bonnie
I love it. And I love watching Sophia smile at you when you talk about her. It's the cutest thing ever.
- [63:26]
Farrah Abraham
It's just, I'm so happy for my daughter. She totally deserves this amazing journey that she's been blessed with. So. God is good.
- [63:34]
Bonnie
Yeah, I love that. Where'd you meet your boyfriend at, Sophia?
- [63:40]
Sophia Abrams
I met him on VR.
- [63:42]
Bonnie
On what? Virtual reality.
- [63:45]
Sophia Abrams
Yeah.
- [63:45]
Bonnie
Is that like a video game or.
- [63:48]
Sophia Abrams
It's like those heads. Headsets.
- [63:49]
Bonnie
You know, Gotcha.
- [63:50]
Sophia Abrams
With like the virtual games and stuff.
- [63:52]
Bonnie
Oh, gotcha. Okay.
- [63:54]
Sophia Abrams
Specifically VR chat.
- [63:56]
Bonnie
Gotcha. Okay.
- [63:58]
Farrah Abraham
Those kids are in VR chat. Watch out.
- [64:00]
Bonnie
Yeah, it's. That's like AOL chat when we were growing up, literally.
- [64:04]
Farrah Abraham
So, yeah, both of us met our boyfriends online, essentially.
- [64:08]
Bonnie
Yeah. Well, I would think that being who you are, it's got to be hard to meet people a normal way. It's not like you're just gonna go to church and meet somebody, you know? And I would think growing up, up with who your mom is is probably makes it hard for you to meet people a normal way also. And you don't go to school, so it's like, you know, you have to meet people where you are at, you know, in life. So how has your mom's stardom affected you?
- [64:38]
Sophia Abrams
I mean, it's kind of been hard to make friends like in real life and stuff. But I would say once they accept, like, who I am online, then we become like, best friends, you know? But some people, once they find out who I really am, they, like, don't want to, like, be friends with me.
- [64:59]
Bonnie
Because of your mom.
- [65:00]
Sophia Abrams
But, like, I mean, I don't really get hurt by that. Because in the end, then you're just fake.
- [65:04]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [65:05]
Sophia Abrams
So I just block them.
- [65:07]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [65:07]
Sophia Abrams
You know.
- [65:08]
Bonnie
No, I love that Bailey had to go through that, too. Whenever. You know, whenever we were first coming up in the limelight, there was a lot of parents who didn't want Bailey hanging out with her because of who her parents were. And I just, like, you don't need friends like that. If they have parents that are going to judge them so harshly that they won't let their kid hang out with you because of who their parents are, when they haven't even met us or shook our hands, then you don't want those people in your life anyways.
- [65:33]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. So it is kind of fun. I mean, I've been seeing Sophia kind of, like catfish people. Okay.
- [65:41]
Sophia Abrams
What do you mean, catfishing? Okay. I have. It's called secret accounts.
- [65:46]
Farrah Abraham
Yes.
- [65:47]
Bonnie
Oh, they're called finstas.
- [65:49]
Sophia Abrams
Right.
- [65:49]
Bonnie
Or isn't that what they're. What they are.
- [65:51]
Sophia Abrams
I mean, it's basically, like, all accounts, you know?
- [65:53]
Bonnie
Okay, gotcha.
- [65:54]
Sophia Abrams
Like, I don't use my public profiles or my real name.
- [65:58]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [65:59]
Sophia Abrams
On stuff. Like, my friends know my first name.
- [66:02]
Bonnie
Right.
- [66:02]
Sophia Abrams
But, like, I usually don't tell them my last name.
- [66:04]
Bonnie
Right.
- [66:05]
Sophia Abrams
Until they find out who, like, I really am.
- [66:07]
Farrah Abraham
Like, for instance.
- [66:08]
Bonnie
But that's actually kind of smart.
- [66:10]
Farrah Abraham
That is smart. Like. Like, we have this show, like, called Catfish. Right. But I have to say, like, Sophia's doing it in a catfish positive way, not a toxic way.
- [66:20]
Bonnie
Right.
- [66:21]
Farrah Abraham
Because, like, for instance, like, we flew into Utah so that her and her boyfriend can meet. They do know each other's names. It's kind of up in the air on the first. The first date, which was at a trampoline park.
- [66:34]
Bonnie
Right.
- [66:35]
Farrah Abraham
And everyone brought their families. And so I loved how refreshing it was, actually. I was refreshed by his mom, his family, not knowing who I was, just taking me in like a glass of water, just having a good time.
- [66:54]
Bonnie
Just loving you for who you were in that moment.
- [66:57]
Farrah Abraham
And also the same for Sophia. And then her daughter arrives, and she knew exactly who I was and everything else. And then it was like. Like, it just kind of sucks the fun out of just being present in real life. Yeah. But, yeah, I really loved, like, how we've gotten to know each other, even though you could definitely see they are definitely affected by someone's fame, what they might. Might not have, how we live. And that's sad. And so I just say whatever Sophia needs to do to see positive and have positive interactions in relationships. That's awesome. I support it. Even if it's a little catfishy, I'm okay with it.
- [67:45]
Bonnie
Right. Because I kind of understand the method to the madness, though. She wants to make sure that the people that are in her life are there for a reason. Not because of who you are, because of who she is. So I think it's actually kind of genius.
- [67:55]
Farrah Abraham
It is genius.
- [67:56]
Bonnie
I like it. When's your birthday?
- [67:59]
Sophia Abrams
February 23rd.
- [68:00]
Bonnie
Oh, you're a Pisces. Well, you're like an Aquarius. Pisces. You're, like, right on the cusp.
- [68:03]
Farrah Abraham
Oh, really? Really. I don't know. You know, she likes to swim.
- [68:07]
Bonnie
Oh, yeah. She's a little fishy.
- [68:09]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. A gothic swimmer. Yeah.
- [68:12]
Bonnie
A little blackfish swimming in the pond.
- [68:14]
Farrah Abraham
Yes.
- [68:15]
Bonnie
Can we talk about your beef with Nicki Minaj? What happened with that whole situation?
- [68:20]
Farrah Abraham
She's not a Barbie.
- [68:24]
Bonnie
Because I feel like she kind of called you out and brought that on herself. And I feel like a lot of.
- [68:29]
Farrah Abraham
People bring things upon themselves in my career. But yes.
- [68:32]
Bonnie
Yeah, I feel like she's doing that now to make the stallion also. And I think people. People didn't take her. Her people didn't consider it bullying whenever she did it to you, because it was a few years ago. But now that they're seeing a pattern and how she treats people, I think it kind of, you know, is putting a spotlight on how she acts as.
- [68:52]
Farrah Abraham
A person, I have to say, like, Nicki Minaj, I believe she said, like, I was a cunt because of how I treated my mom. She was watching, like, a teen mom rerun one day when she was doing that. I have to say, anyone who talks to me or towards anyone, bullying them out loud, doing whatever they're doing, not paying attention to their own mental health and why she's doing that. The reason why someone reaches out in a toxic way, call someone another name, tries to degrade them, acts like they know how to be a better daughter to their mom or whatever. That is a denial. They're delusional. So I have never thought greatly of anyone similar to Nicki Minaj, like a Chrissy Teigen who also does that to me or other people who do that or women who do that. It also very much reminds me a little bit of the toxicity between my mom, my sister, my grandma towards me growing up.
- [69:50]
Bonnie
And so it's a trigger for you.
- [69:52]
Farrah Abraham
You know, I just recognize it as complete mental illness almost, to be honest. So I don't think my daughter has anything to worry about of, like, listening, paying attention to anything from women who have, like, a platform. And they're just like lashing out in mental illness because that's not having self control, that's not therapeutically dealing with it. She also wasn't a mom. I don't really think Nicki Minaj is a great mom. I don't think she really has done the personal work. She's married, I think like a convict who I guess has like done very weird things. So I can't really care about anyone who that comes from. That's like caring about a hater online who says the same things. Whether it was Nicki Minaj or a deep fake account online saying it, it's going to the same place of like, ooh, that's unhealthy for my mental health. That's like mental illness coming at me. I don't have time for that toxicity, so. And I'm sorry that Megan Thee stallion had to go through all sorts of stuff and criminal behavior, but she doesn't deserve that in her present success or her future success. And I really hope that she finds other great artists to work with and have friendships with.
- [71:09]
Bonnie
Absolutely. How do you deal with all of the online stuff that comes to you? Are you used to it now or. I don't think anybody ever gets used to people just bullying. But does it hurt still or did it ever hurt you, like in the beginning and how do you deal with it now?
- [71:24]
Farrah Abraham
I definitely had a shame spiral many a times with online toxicity. And I think that's why I am totally cool with Sophia not being on it, not posting as much, not doing whatever, because it's really not needed.
- [71:41]
Bonnie
It's not a safe space.
- [71:42]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, it's not a safe space. And I think we just tried to, again, pardon me, create that safe space for us, our own selves. So if that's like posting once a year, that's what's good for us. Like, and I don't even know like this whole thing with like limiting teenagers on social media. I think in a way it feels like we're letting like criminals and deep fakes and all these things control and take over and over, saturate the Internet, when the Internet would be so much more better with like credible, real people who enjoy the Internet. So I just wish I had better people to play with on the Internet.
- [72:26]
Bonnie
Yeah, but the Internet has hurt you before to where it sent you into shame. What did you say? Shame spiral.
- [72:33]
Farrah Abraham
Spiral. Like definite, like depression or maybe anxiety at times.
- [72:37]
Bonnie
And it's got to be heavy, especially when they run like news articles about you and stuff like that. Yeah, I do feel like the press bullies you.
- [72:45]
Farrah Abraham
I feel, I feel like we need to work on just reporting in a non bullish, fraudulent way. Like when I've been dealing, you know, like when I was like attacked at dinner by security and then everyone acts like I did something to them and I have reporters calling me everywhere and they're making me up to be a bad person. My lawyers were literally like, you cannot talk to them anymore if they want to behave this way. If they can't tell the right news, I'm not responding to them. Do not respond to them. And that's just kind of sad because again, like just kind of being raised with, with news reporters and even some of them being my friends, it's just been really sad to see like people use their jobs and inflict toxicity and affect someone's mental health or it could, I'm not letting that happen. But it definitely does to other people.
- [73:44]
Bonnie
Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I think online is kind of like the devil's playground, you know, like people can say and do whatever the hell they want and there's no recourse.
- [73:55]
Farrah Abraham
Well, I feel like the good people get the recourse. Like they actually get like I can't even get on TikTok live because someone said it was like sexually explicit, sitting in my office doing nothing. Did you appeal it? Oh, I've appealed it. My agencies have reached out. They say that they don't have footage, they can't see it, so they can't redo it. I just feel like. Or undo it. I feel like Internet platforms are just crumbling, period. Like they're crumbling. They're not doing that well. They're relying so heavily on marketing, they don't care to keep health number one. Even though we're giving all of these things, like healthy mindset and track your time and do all this, but we just keep allowing again, like deep fakes toxicity, everything non stop. So like if I go and look on my dashboard right now, you'll see like my account on the back end flagged all the time for bullying. But are we deleting or blocking those bullies? Right, So I just, I let the.
- [75:02]
Bonnie
There's no solution to the problem.
- [75:04]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I just let the Internet crumble and I like to use it to post to share things, whether that's about mental health or something fun or birthdays or whatever. But I don't know, I. Maybe just one day, who knows if I need any of. I really don't know if I need social media.
- [75:25]
Bonnie
Yeah, I don't think you do. I think you've made a name for yourself that if you didn't have social media, people would still, you know, be obsessed with you, because that's just how they are. I have read mixed reviews. Have. Did you sell poop or did you not sell poop?
- [75:39]
Farrah Abraham
Oh, my God, that's so funny. I saw my poop slime in my office. I made poop slime and we sold out of that. But yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why people are obsessed with poop. I love poop. I have never sold my poop. I do get offers literally every day, every day for it. And it's crazy. Like, my boyfriend's like, you. He's like, I find like. I just. It's like. I find it so disgusting. But he's like, you have all these guys just wanting to pay you, like, $5,000 for you to send them shit. And he's like, I can't even pick up your own dog shit. Like, he's like, I don't know how this is.
- [76:22]
Bonnie
They waft in it. It's crazy. I used to sell my panties when I had of. Yeah, they like them vacuum sealed and sitting for like two weeks. Like, it's wild.
- [76:31]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. But I haven't done that. But I. I don't know. I heard it was like, against the law, so I just don't do that.
- [76:41]
Bonnie
Yeah. What's the weirdest request you have gotten on your only fans?
- [76:48]
Farrah Abraham
I mean, what's weird anymore, right? I don't know. There's so many.
- [76:53]
Bonnie
What's the oddest or, you know, wildest.
- [76:56]
Farrah Abraham
There's so many weird things I hear every day. I just don't know what's odd right now. I don't know. I have to, like, think so much. But I don't know, I just find it weird when people really want to, like, have customs and like, they always try to, like, get in my personal life. So it's like your boyfriend or like, could you ask for a friend to do the. I just am like, why would you even get on here and like, insinuate I would ask anyone else to be a part of your crazy imagination.
- [77:34]
Bonnie
So how is your of doing? How is your of doing?
- [77:37]
Farrah Abraham
Is it my of is doing fabulous. And I love my of. I can't. I like, I often ask myself when I think to just shutting it down because I felt like I was getting so sexually shamed and I just don't like dealing with any, like, sexual shaming. Stuff and so I was like, maybe I'll shut it down, maybe I won't. And then I keep it up. And I often, like, sometimes I'll just post some funny comments that I get, but I off like there's a lot of negativity online, but I will say of is a lot of positivity compared to all the negativity.
- [78:16]
Bonnie
Oh, I loved my OF I had. It was great. If you're a hater on somebody's of, you've got problems.
- [78:22]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [78:22]
Bonnie
You're paying them monthly to talk shit to them.
- [78:25]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, it's crazy and that happens all the time. But there's a lot of men who, or women even who always send me like the best messages and I'm like, God, I needed that for my self worth today or like my self compassion or like just love in myself today. So I have to say, if that's so positive, out of all the other social medias I've kept my only fans and I think maybe I even rave about it sometimes. I'm like, I can't delete this. It makes me so happy.
- [78:56]
Bonnie
And you shouldn't have to delete it. If it does bring you happiness and joy and as well as monetary value, why would you delete it? Because people online don't agree with the lifestyle. I've never understood that, that stigma with of. It's wild to me that we're not touching anybody. Nobody is touching us. There's no bodily fluid exchange. It's literally all online consenting adults and people have a problem with that. Would they rather you be in hotel rooms, you know, being an escort, like it's wild to me.
- [79:24]
Farrah Abraham
So I, yeah, I just, I think only fans has just again been positive for my mental health. Positive for me. I don't like, I literally screen grab and save some of these messages because I was like, if I ever just bye bye from it, I would love to save these memories because they're such good memories. I mean, I don't know, like my boyfriend doesn't have a problem with it.
- [79:49]
Bonnie
So.
- [79:49]
Farrah Abraham
And honestly, I think he, he actually likes it. So like he makes his like a little funny username and he's like, oh, chat with me on there. It's just kind of like a fun play thing, role play. Honestly, if that's good for my relationship, if it's good for my business, if it's good for me. Oh my God, could, could life get any greater?
- [80:09]
Bonnie
If Sophia ever wanted to make an only fans, would you allow her when she's of age?
- [80:15]
Farrah Abraham
Well, I Definitely out of the question on now.
- [80:19]
Bonnie
Right, of course.
- [80:20]
Farrah Abraham
Porters actually have asked me that already.
- [80:22]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [80:22]
Farrah Abraham
I was like, literally thrown.
- [80:24]
Bonnie
No, not now. That's. She's underage.
- [80:27]
Farrah Abraham
That's weird, guys. That's like, not allowed. Yeah. I don't know.
- [80:31]
Bonnie
But I mean, she is almost 18, so I, I think that's probably why.
- [80:35]
Farrah Abraham
There'S so many years to go.
- [80:37]
Bonnie
I said, I'm counting them down. I'm like, kid, you got two years. Two years to get the hell out. No, I'm just kidding.
- [80:44]
Farrah Abraham
I don't think Sophia wants to do that. Like, Sophia basically barely uses social media.
- [80:49]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [80:51]
Farrah Abraham
Sophia, do you have any use or need for anything that's an adult only platform?
- [80:58]
Sophia Abrams
No.
- [81:00]
Bonnie
She said no.
- [81:01]
Farrah Abraham
You know, and I think I do have that need because I had managers and agents basically like being like, I'll run it, I'll start it, I'll do it. Like, you have to do this. And I didn't even do it myself. Open it. So I think because it was like a different journey in that. And again, like, I am a sex symbol. Like I am something in that arena. And I think you can't disown that or act like it's not. And so.
- [81:34]
Bonnie
Well, you had a, a sex tape that came out, correct.
- [81:37]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. And a lot of, you know, then I had a novelty line from that odd, traumatic, successful experience of a tape situation. I was like, you know, what for like, sexual health and well being, I want to come out with a men's and women's line of novelty toys. And I also won an AVN award for that. So I've like, those are things that happened in my life journey.
- [82:02]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [82:02]
Farrah Abraham
And I'm happy they were successful. And I think to do that justice, you know, to have some of those adult platform pages, that's, that's a no brainer in that, you know, journey. So I'm fine with it and it makes me happy.
- [82:17]
Bonnie
How much did you end up making off of that sex tape?
- [82:21]
Farrah Abraham
I don't know. I still make money off of it.
- [82:23]
Bonnie
She's like, it hasn't stopped, baby.
- [82:25]
Farrah Abraham
No, it hasn't stopped. And I also made, you know, millions from my novelty toys, those licenses. I actually just enjoy business.
- [82:35]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [82:36]
Farrah Abraham
Like a lot of people. And I love my friends who are all into adult entertainment. That was not my allure. That's not like my thing. But I do like business in certain senses of my comfort level. So.
- [82:53]
Bonnie
Yeah, you like multiple streams of income.
- [82:56]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. Who doesn't?
- [82:57]
Bonnie
Right, right. For each system.
- [83:00]
Farrah Abraham
So, yeah. I have my own way of how I live, you know, my sex life and my choices and me as a woman. And I'm just really happy. Like, happier than I've ever been. So I think whatever happened in my life along the way, I was meant to be. Even though it was, like, not the greatest thing. But, yeah, it can certainly get you predators. It can certainly lead to, like, sexual assaults and those things. So I just one other women, or even my own child, my own daughter to know, like, there's nothing to glorify about anything of what I went through or what I've done. I literally look at my sex tape and I see someone who is battling face dysmorphia, who feels so unloved, who is, like, going through just, like, bereavement of the loss of her dad. And so when I see a sex tape, I see something so of nothing I want ever in my life again. But I have people every day who bring up my sex tape or, like, the toys that I made, and it brings them joy. And so I have to really take myself away from that. But I do love that it's helped me become aware that I needed to do personal and mental help and health on myself. For sure.
- [84:21]
Bonnie
I love that.
- [84:22]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah.
- [84:22]
Bonnie
What does 2024 hold for Farah and Sophia? What do you guys want?
- [84:27]
Farrah Abraham
Lots of laughs.
- [84:28]
Bonnie
Yeah.
- [84:29]
Farrah Abraham
Laughing a bunch this year. Traveling, having fun. Sophia's working on whatever she wants to write, create, and make.
- [84:37]
Bonnie
Are you guys gonna do a song together?
- [84:39]
Farrah Abraham
Well, we have.
- [84:41]
Bonnie
I love it.
- [84:42]
Sophia Abrams
No, thank you.
- [84:42]
Farrah Abraham
Yes.
- [84:43]
Sophia Abrams
You know, she does not know how to sing.
- [84:45]
Farrah Abraham
I don't know at all. And that's okay. For some reason, I have a cult following of people who loved my music when I was depressed. So, again, like, some people love your stuff when you're depressed and going through, like, a mental breakdown. So I love.
- [84:59]
Bonnie
Well, I think it's relatable. I feel like people feel like they're like, I'm going through it too, you know, like, this is relatable. That's why people relate to my husband because of the music he makes, you know?
- [85:09]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. It's crazy. However, you will enjoy someone's music or whatever. So, yeah, Sophia's gonna go on her own journey of gothic music and see how people relate to that and have fun and. Right. So, yeah. I mean, every. Every year is about creating something new and finding more of ourselves. So I think that's what we kind of are doing besides shows and besides stuff that I'm already doing. I'm just, like, back to school again.
- [85:38]
Bonnie
Yeah. So are we gonna get that law. He's over here sawing logs. I'm over here shaking his head. So are you gonna. Are you gonna move forward and get a year law degree?
- [85:48]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah, I'm moving forward with. I'm in a master's program right now, and you can start doing, like, your JD and even your PhD. So I'm just going all the way. I'm getting my PhD, but I'm going through the masters. Almost done with that at the end of this year, and then doing law the next year and everything like that. So I feel like as much as I've spent in legal fees and everything, I should already have the law.
- [86:12]
Bonnie
You should be your own lawyer, Farah.
- [86:14]
Farrah Abraham
At this point, I keep learning new things every day, though, so, yeah, there's a lot going on in 2024. I can't wait till it's actually done, but I'm excited for it.
- [86:23]
Bonnie
I love that, and I love watching you guys grow and flourish together, and I think it's amazing, and I just want you guys to stay on this journey. I love that you're the happiest you've ever been. That makes me happy for you, because happiness is hard to come by, man. You have to choose happiness.
- [86:37]
Farrah Abraham
Yeah. Go mom and daughter teams.
- [86:38]
Bonnie
Let's go. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it.
- [86:43]
Farrah Abraham
Thanks for having us.
- [86:44]
Bonnie
Yeah. Awesome. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.