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Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today is really special for me because the first guest that I ever had on the podcast is now sitting on my couch in the new studio in season nine, my dear friend, Ms. Fifi Dobson.
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C
Oh, hey, girl.
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A
Dude, I'm so happy you're here.
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C
Me too. It's very, very exciting to be here and to see the studio.
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It's crazy, right? I can't believe you and I have known each other almost a decade now.
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C
It's wild.
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A
It's crazy.
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C
It's wild. Yeah, we've had a lot of fun times, a lot of parties, you know.
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A
Yeah, it's been, it's been a. It's been an interesting ride. But through it all, you. I think one of the one things that I love so much about you is just how sweet you are.
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C
Thanks, girl.
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A
Like, I really wish people knew your heart and just like what a sweet woman you are.
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C
Thank you.
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A
Even when I was mad at you, you're always so sweet and I'm never really mad at you, but it was just like, you know, even when we've had disagreements, you're just always so sweet. And I just love, I love you.
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C
I truly do. So, you know, I just, I don't know, I just, I love being here and your heart is so amazing as well. And you're a strong woman. So I love you.
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We're gonna go to dinner and catch up too, but I want to know what's going on with you. Like, catch me up. We're good. So I'm gonna do this interview a little bit different and people who listen to me regularly are going to pick up on that. Since Phoebe was on my podcast nine years ago almost. If you guys want to go back to that episode and find out about her background, her upbringing, and everything we talked about in that podcast, that would be Season 1 Episode 1 I believe. Right, Mimi? And wow. But this one will be like kind of us just catching up and just more of like an interview style. So tell me what's been going on with you?
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C
Oh, well, I took some time off and was just writing for other people and then, you know, going through life and love and all the craziness. And then I decided to get back in the studio and I released a record not last September, but this September before that called Emotion Sickness. And yeah, I just. Just kind of took me time. Took me time. I needed a break. You know, I've been working Since I was 17, I'm about to be 40 at the end of the month.
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A
And you still look so young. I'm so jealous. I'm looking at you, I'm like, she hasn't aged one fucking bit, dude.
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C
Thanks, girl. So, yeah, I just needed some time to, I don't know, get things together. I mean, in this industry, mental health is a really big thing and.
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And taking a break is needed. Yeah, taking a break is so need. I'm trying to teach my husband that because he's. Go, go, go, go, go. You know how Jay is. He's always been like that.
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C
Yeah.
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And even more so now. And I'm just like, you have to take time to like, just for you do or else it's just. It can cause wreak havoc.
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C
Yeah, you do. I needed time with even my pets, you know, because I was always on the road and I just. I had lost two pets in the last. Like, I had a bunch. Like, I have like a, like a coven of. Of little fur girls.
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Like, they're just the best. And I love that you said coven, cuz I use that word all the time. That's what I call us.
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C
Oh, really? Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I lost two of them and I was just like, man, I need to take time to spend time with them.
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Oh my God. I couldn't imagine. This one is with me. He's been with me the past seven years and I couldn't imagine losing a fur baby. Like, no, it's the worst. We don't deserve animals. Like, their souls are so pure and so sweet.
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C
They're unconditional love. Like they are the epit.
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Yeah.
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C
Of unconditional.
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They don't care if you're sleeping in a fucking box. They are riding with you.
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C
Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty amazing. I mean, how much they love you. So losing them, I was like, man, it messed me up. It messed me up. It was hard for Michael too, because you know, our last one that just passed a few weeks ago. Her name was Trailer Party and I remember her. Yeah, Trailer Party. She was the best. And I had never heard Michael cry so hard. It, like, really toward him.
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Oh, my God, I couldn't imagine. And we just started a farm too, so now I have even more animals that are attached to. We have mini donkeys. Mini donkeys. It's our whole. Our farm is all minis.
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C
Yeah.
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So we have many cows. Mini donkeys, mini pigs and little minis. This literally happened all in one month. Fifi, I don't.
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C
Oh, my goodness.
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I don't know how I turned into a farmer. So I couldn't imagine just, you know, going through the pain of losing any of them because it's just so brutal.
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C
It's brutal.
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A
Since you took your break, what's been bringing you, like, joy?
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C
This is weird, but, like, video games. I know that's crazy, but I've been like, I like Xbox. I do.
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Because you can disassociate is your mind always. Do you have like 80 and stuff like that?
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C
Well, I just go like. My mind goes like a mile a minute at night when I should be sleeping, and I just can't shut it off.
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Yeah.
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C
So, yeah, you're right. Like, when I'm playing, all I have to think about is press X, press A. And I don't have to think about, like, an email or work, which is helpful.
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So what's your favorite video game? I gotta ask? Cause, you know, all the gamers at home are like, I'm gonna go find Fifi.
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C
I know. I love Evil Dead.
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A
Oh, okay. So you like, like the zombie games?
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C
Yeah, I like. I like horror games. And which one did I just get the other day? Man, I can't think about it right now.
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I know Jay was playing, like, what, Call of Duty? I don't even know.
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I heard that's hard.
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He. They're crazy.
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C
Yeah.
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Like, they have, like, teams. They have like. I didn't know you were a gamer.
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C
Oh, I love to game.
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I'm with you every day. How does that survive that in Call of Duty only? I don't like any other games, but that.
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C
That one's hard. It is.
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They have been stimulation. I agree with you.
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C
It's the only time you can shut your brain off.
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Yeah, they literally have teams. And by the way, if you see me looking down at my phone, it's all these desserts I have for you. So I'm not like over here texting or anything like that. They have like, teams, so My husband would, like, go down and play for hours, and I would go sit next to him, and literally there's like, six of them, and they're like, I got your back. And I'm just like, how do you guys. I. I would be so overstimulated. There's no way.
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C
That one's intense, though. Yeah, it's like, people get pissed. Oh, like, I've never.
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Yeah, you do.
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C
I've never cussed so many kids in my life. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's the worst. Grown adults want to throw those controllers.
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Yes.
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C
That's funny.
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I couldn't imagine that. So you've been in the game for a minute. Do you feel like the same Fifi from Take Me Away or has life completely rewritten the script for you?
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C
I feel very different from that girl. You know, at times, it's like I'll have moments where I listen to the old album and I'll, like, get emotional, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I'm still that person, but it's a crazy lie. Like, as you know, like, when you're in this world, like, things happen so quickly that you almost forget what happens. It's like, memories kind of get jumbled and. Because it's a lot, you know, you're overstimulated. Even in the industry, it's like, a lot of stuff. So I don't know if I still completely relate to her, but I. I think I have a different love for her. You know, like, when you. Your younger self, you're like, man, I was too hard on you, or.
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Yeah.
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Kind of vibe. You know, you were pretty. Stop being so hard on yourself. You know that vibe.
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No, I get it. 100. I think I find myself a lot of the times romanticizing who I was, and it's like, even though I went through so much, I was not a great human.
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C
Right.
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I look back and I'm just like. Sometimes I get sad because I'm just like, God, if I'd have just realized in that moment how cool everything was and, like, how different shit was about to be.
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C
Yeah.
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You know, it's like you almost go back and you just kind of, like, romanticize it. No matter how bad it was, you're just like, you know, you. You long for the little girl that didn't get to be.
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Yeah. You kind of wish that you could, like, tell her, like, everything's going to be cool, and you got this, and. But again, that's part of our journey that makes us who we are as adults.
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Oh, all the time. I mean, I still do at times, you know, where you're like, should I be doing this kind of TikTok or should I be doing. You know what I mean? Like you still feel that pressure in just a different way. Yeah, but I never felt comfortable, you know, if I didn't have like my leather jacket.
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Or would you still have it on?
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C
Exactly. Leather on or like eyeliner or like, just something that was kind of like my signature. Yeah, Yeah. I always felt like I wasn't being myself if I tried something different.
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Where does. Where does your style stem from? Like, if you could like, have maybe, like, three role models.
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Yeah, probably. Like, I have a few. Like, Joan Jett slash.
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Yes. I see it all as you're saying it. I'm like, yep, yep.
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And when I get, like, when I do glam, like, I always look at, like, old Kate Moss.
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You know, she was fire. Even Kate Moss.
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Now I know. She's amazing.
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How do you not age on cocaine?
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C
I don't understand that. Right?
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I don't understand. I love Kate Moss. She's a icon. I agree.
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She, like, even when she's hammered, I'm like, how do I get that look?
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Yeah. Literally, she. I just saw a video of her on TikTok outside of someplace falling over, and she did it so gracefully in a mini skirt and heels. Didn't show anything. If that was me, I'd have looked like a freaking wombat. Just. I'd have 10 people trying to pick me up. Like, I'd have had a broken hip. It would have been fucked up. But, I mean, she's literally almost 50 and still just slam.
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It's amazing.
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No, it's crazy.
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C
It's crazy. Like, I love the smudge liner.
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And you all, you've always done the smudge liner, too.
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I have fun with it. I. It's like, I've been fortunate. The one thing that's been fortunate is, like, one of my friends always says, he's like. He's like, girl, you can look disheveled. That's your brand. I'm like, yeah, exactly.
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I love that, though. Disheveled. Yeah, I love that. That's fudgeing hot, though.
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C
Yeah.
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Phoebe's bringing back the disheveled look. All right, so we're going to take it back to the early days for a little bit.
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C
Okay.
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A
The 2000s were such an iconic time in music. When you look back at that era, what's a memory that instantly makes you smile?
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C
Um, I loved hanging out with, like, the bands, you know, like, when girls could rock out with the dudes. And I loved, you know, seeing Avril and. And Simple Plan. And. I don't know, there was something about that time that was just, like, pure. Yeah, yeah.
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And it was rock and roll.
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Yeah.
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Bring it the fuck back. I am tired of this mumble rap. I'm like, can we bring it back? Bring the band back, right? I'm so ready for it.
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It just Felt so, I don't know, raw. And, you know, even for the girls at that time, it was like, for the females, we were just like, fudge it, you know, we did. We didn't care. We were in, like, Dickies and Converse and no makeup and.
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It's still beautiful, though, and holding your own next to these other. These men, you know?
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Yeah, I was. It was. I wanted to be on tour with the dudes because I wanted to, like, make them freaked out that I could rock or, you know, rock circles around, and that was a big deal for me. I. I always love to, like, put me with the dudes, man. That means a lot.
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Did you thrive on shock value as a youngster? Yeah, I think I did, too.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, I love to look at people, like, in the eye and make them uncomfortable. That was, like, when I was a kid.
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Yeah.
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And just, like, to see when they would turn their heads because they were uncomfortable with my stare. Yeah, that was fun.
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What's the one thing fans might not know about the making of Sunday Love or Joy?
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Well, Sunday Love was, like, my second album off the first one, and, like, I was really wanted to make. Wanted to make an authentic rock record. So we got, like, a bunch of amazing rockers like Nina Gordon from Rucasault and John5 and just, like, awesome, rad artists. And it was weird making the album because I named it Sunday Love because it was my mom's. Like, my mom's stripper name. It was her name. Like, that's what she would go by. And she told me about it years when I was younger, and it stuck with me, and I was like, well, I want to name this for her. So I did, and she was just amazing that way. Like, I don't know. So I love that.
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So mom was a. Mom was a stripper dancer.
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Yeah, she. And many other things.
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And we love that.
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Yeah.
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A
Shout out Mom.
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Yeah.
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That's so fitting for this podcast.
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Yeah. She's a single mom and just, like, made it work. And. Yeah. I don't know. I just loved even, like, if she just danced at home, like, just like, being, like, you know, just put on something. It was just grooving around. Like, I always looked up to her dancing. I thought it was really rad.
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I didn't know. I don't think you told us about mom being a dancer in the first podcast. So that was a little bit of information that you just revealed. If 2003 Fifi could see you now, what would she say? Would it be shock or just a nod? Like, yeah, this Is exactly where we're headed.
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C
If she said to me if my young thief said to me.
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Yep. If you could see you now if 2003 Fifi, how would she be shocked?
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Would she be. I don't. I think she would be like. I don't know.
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Actually, I feel like 2003 Fifi was wild.
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Yeah. She'd be like, wow, you wear dresses? Because I never wore a dress till I was like 24.
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Why was that?
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My mom used to put me in these like really foo foo dresses. And they were itchy. You remember that tool, like that itchy tool. What is it? I don't know what it was. What is it called?
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I don't know, but I know I can see it.
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Yeah. In the 80s and it was so itchy and I hated them. And then I. I don't know, I got in the industry and like, I was just like Dicky's girl. And I didn't want to like. I don't know, I was like kind of anti like dresses. And then one day I just decided I wanted to put on a dress. And my first dress that I put on, it was for this MTV gig. And it was the Versace dress with all the pins. I had the pins. It was like open on. It was like a. Can we bring that up?
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Can we bring that up for her to see? What, what award show was it? Let's bring it up.
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It was a MTV benefit. I think it was like a. Yeah.
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They'Ll bring it up while you're talking.
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Yeah. And my hair was like super short and I wore a dress and that was the first time I wore a dress. And I was like, I like feeling like this pretty girl.
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Yeah. Did it made you feel? It kind of gave you like. Cuz you're like me. We're like cute tomboy, like, you know, so whenever I do like, there's no in between. I either look homeless or I'm glam. There's never a in between.
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Right.
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You know, and so whenever I get dolled up too, I'm like, oh, okay. I feel girly and pretty. Does that make you, like, when you put a dress on, do you feel like you're in touch with your feminine energy a little bit more?
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Yeah, I like on stage, I'm a little more aggressive in my leather pants and all that stuff. And then, you know, if I'm going out for a nice dinner, I like.
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Dressing up when you want to turn it up.
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What color was the dress? It was like a royal blue. Okay. And then it has.
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Did you find it Memes. I'm looking for it right now.
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C
It wasn't that one.
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No, no. Let me see. She said it wasn't that one.
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C
Ew.
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Oh, you look so cute, though. Look at little baby thieves over there.
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C
I love this outfit, by the way.
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A
Are you kidding me? Oh, my goodness. Listen, I still wear leopard print. Don't play with me.
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C
Skirt on top of pants, though. That's like the.
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That is so 2000.
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Yeah. Oh, I love Leopard. Leopard's life. It was like I had super short hair. Maybe if you write short hair. I don't know.
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That's all right.
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If we can't. Me and Michael.
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But look at all the. Like, you're still true to your style, though. Like, it's definitely edgier now, you know?
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No, but that's a fun one to put up. I got in so much trouble.
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Look how cute you look.
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I got in so much trouble for putting my middle fingers up.
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Really?
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Yeah. Back then it was like.
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But not for being wearing a see through outfit. Like, don't put the middle fingers up, but just show your entire body. You look adorable, though. No, I love that you guys can.
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C
Just bring this up on the screen. That's hilarious. I love this.
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A
So we want to see. You were a rock star in an industry that didn't always make space for black women in that genre. Did you feel that pushback? And if so, how did you navigate starting so young?
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I really. I was kind of. I had blinders on, you know, I was more thinking about, is this boy going to call me back? And, you know, I was going through puberty and all. It's true. But I was going through all these things, you know, these changes. And I didn't even have my first kiss when I was like, 17. Like, I know. So I was like, who was your first kiss? Someone that was probably not supposed to be.
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Was it another famous person?
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C
Nah, kind.
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We don't gotta say names.
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I remember a lot. I kind of remember that. I don't know. But yeah, I. I had a good team around me that, like, basically was protecting me from a lot of things and.
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Which is awesome because a lot of kids back then didn't have that protection. Yeah, I feel like a lot of kids were, like, exploited and had to, like, like, were forced.
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I was fortunate. I had, like, a awesome team that was. That would deal with all the, like, are you sure? As I got older, I realized what was happening and. Right. It was like, people would ask my manager, like, are you really sure that this black girl can you know, do is going to succeed at rock and roll. And it's kind of like it just now as an adult, I'm like, that makes no sense. Yeah. Like history. Like it doesn't make any sense.
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A
But how special were you to be? Kind of like one of a kind. I mean, there wasn't very many other girls in the genre like you. Right?
- [23:50]
C
Yeah. It was a ballsy move.
- [23:52]
A
Yeah.
- [23:52]
C
You know.
- [23:53]
A
No, but how cool is that? Like you're just always. You made history pretty much. And I think that's really cool. Yeah. So let's talk about the soundtrack to life.
- [24:03]
C
Oh, yes.
- [24:03]
A
Your music has always had this raw, rebellious energy. What's been inspiring you lately when you write?
- [24:12]
C
I love, love the good, the bad, you know, it's. It fuels me.
- [24:18]
A
And that's cuz you're a Pisces.
- [24:20]
C
I am.
- [24:21]
A
I'm a Pisces Venus. I love love. I might be rough around the edges, but I will go that the deeper through hell we go, the more I'm gonna love you.
- [24:30]
C
Yes. I'm like, why, Even growing up, like, I loved tragic love films like Romeo and Juliet and Sid, Nancy and all the thing. And so I'm like, yeah. I'm like, what's wrong with me? Does it.
- [24:44]
A
Have you ever done a past life regression?
- [24:46]
C
No, but I would love to.
- [24:47]
A
I would love to know. Me too. I haven't done one. I'm scared. I'm like, I don't want to know, but I do want to know. Like, it's a. It's a weird morbid curiosity that I have, but I would love to know yours.
- [24:56]
C
I. I mean, it's interesting because I feel like maybe if we did know, we'd be able to like kind of carve out things for this lifetime that we're supposed to learn. Maybe a little faster.
- [25:06]
A
Yes. I feel like you and Yella definitely did several lifetimes together.
- [25:11]
C
Yeah, we think so too. Yeah. It's interesting. There's some people, you can look in their eyes and not really see much of anything, but like I can look in his eyes and it's pretty intense. And some with friends too. And they can see like. Oh, yeah. Connecting with you on like a completely different level.
- [25:28]
A
Yeah.
- [25:28]
C
Yeah.
- [25:29]
A
Can we talk about you and Yella.
- [25:30]
C
For a little bit? Yeah.
- [25:31]
A
Okay. How you guys have been together for how long now?
- [25:34]
C
Off and on. 15 years.
- [25:38]
A
Yeah, no, it's been crazy. Can you tell us a little bit about that ride, that journey?
- [25:44]
C
Hi. Well, I met him when I was 25. He was 30, and I think he Just got signed to Interscope and. Or Shady. And no one ever tells you. Well, we met at the Fantasy Factory, Rob Dyrdek's spot.
- [26:03]
A
And that's some lore right there.
- [26:05]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And no one ever tells you, like being with another artist is. It's a lot. It's a lot because they're dealing with their own things. And you know, he's a man in the industry, a good looking man and I'm, you know, a woman that at this point, at 25, I'm like, I'm ready for something serious. Which was probably because I had started so young that I lived, you know, I'd lived this life in the industry and he was just starting, so he was getting his wiggles out when we started dating. So we went through, I mean, 15.
- [26:49]
A
Years in this industry is. We gotta tip our hat to that because not a lot of people can do that. Jay and I are just barely creeping up on a decade and you know, we've been through shit too. But it's like you just hit the nail on the head because I just talked about this in a recent podcast where I said if you are with an artist, you, you have to be a really strong human. Like for one there's, you know, just forget about all the traveling and the separation and all that stuff. It's the emotional side of it. There's a reason that you're an artist. So to have two artists in the same relationship has got to be so tricky to navigate because there's got to be just a sea of emotions.
- [27:30]
C
Yeah. And working through like making sure that we're not competing with each other. That's a big one. Yeah, it's like being supportive and you know, I've was side stage for many years to see a show and support that way and you kind of have to put your own artist ego at the door, which is a big, big important thing to do.
- [27:55]
A
Have you ever felt like you guys were in competition at any time?
- [27:59]
C
Well, when we play NBA 2K20 before, at this point, 25, yes, someone's sleeping on the couch. But we're very different. Which was. We've probably had moments where it was like someone has a. You know, I think the only time it kind of feels that way is if we're not close, you know, and, but when we're close and we're in tune, we don't feel that way. But it's, it's difficult. It's difficult.
- [28:32]
A
You know, the man loves you. I, I see him through all of it and every time I see him and you're not by his side. He's not himself.
- [28:45]
C
That means a lot. I mean, it's. It's wild because I've been very private online, and he's a little bit more open about when he is going through whatever and. Or if we're not together. And I've had to see a lot of things that, you know, fans might be like, how can you get back with him? Or how can you do this? And. And the truth is, unless you're in it, you just don't know that.
- [29:12]
A
And the heart wants what the heart wants.
- [29:14]
C
Yeah.
- [29:14]
A
You know, you guys have something special. That's why I said, I think you guys have done numerous lifetimes together because you guys just have this. This moth to a flame type draw to each other, and that's undeniable, you know? And no matter what you guys go through, it's just you guys are always going to circle back to each other.
- [29:34]
C
Yeah, it seems like it.
- [29:36]
A
Do you think you guys will ever get married, like, again? Are you guys, like. Did you guys ever fully divorce?
- [29:42]
C
No.
- [29:42]
A
Oh, okay. Okay.
- [29:43]
C
All right. I didn't. No, I. I couldn't do it.
- [29:45]
A
Oh.
- [29:46]
C
I mean, we'd always threatened to do it and be like, oh, yeah. Oh, seven papers right now, and no one would do it, you know?
- [29:54]
A
Yeah. So that's just even more proof that you guys just literally are each other's persons.
- [30:00]
C
Yeah. Yeah. And he always makes jokes, too, because he's always like, what am I gonna do? Your name's on my face. Because, you know, it's like, Fifi. It's like. Okay.
- [30:09]
A
Yeah.
- [30:09]
C
True. Yeah.
- [30:10]
A
That's your dude, man. You guys are super cute. And, I mean, you guys aesthetically are just a gorgeous couple.
- [30:16]
C
Thank you.
- [30:16]
A
Yeah. For sure.
- [30:17]
C
How do you, like. How do you navigate through, you know, you and Jelly and, like, you know.
- [30:23]
A
Well, I was actually gonna ask you guys how you guys navigate so privately, because Jay and I have literally poured our entire relationship online. I mean, we've, since day one, have just been like, here we are. You know, and, like, just kind of, like, we got outed in the beginning, so we had to out ourselves, you know, and it was like, since then, we don't really have anything. That's a secret. And I admire how you guys navigate because now that we're in the public eye a little bit more to, like, how you guys are, it's like, there are some things I want to. For ourselves, you know, and I would love for you to give me any pointers on that, because the way we navigate is we just fudgeing word vomit all over. I'm always. I always say there's an annoying person that's online, and then there's the one that's, like, very crafty and, like, only appears when they need to. And I'm the annoying one that's online that tells everybody everything. And then Jay is the one who's like. Like, yeah. You know, like, in the background.
- [31:18]
C
You'll.
- [31:18]
A
You'll see him every now.
- [31:19]
C
Honestly, I've always been kind of, like, pretty private, I think, because. I don't know. I don't know why. Actually, I probably could be a lot more open.
- [31:29]
A
I feel like you grew up in an era, though, which was the same era that I. Yeah.
- [31:33]
C
We didn't even have online, like, literally.
- [31:35]
A
So it's like you're. You're just old school and though. And, like, how you. You function and. Which I think is beautiful because people don't really get to see everything, right.
- [31:46]
C
Yeah. I mean, it's pretty good. Until I get, like, an email from your manager, like, you got to get on TikTok. We just need one TikTok. I'll help you. And I'm like, I would love that, actually. I need help.
- [31:58]
A
I will help you. Me and Mimi will help you. She made me get on TikTok, too, in 2020. I was like, I am not fudgeing shaking my ass on TikTok. I'm like, I'm not doing it because everybody was dancing and stuff. Yeah, everybody was dancing. Yeah. She's like, you don't have to do that. So it took me a long time to kind of find my. My niche on there, but really, just talking to the camera and just being yourself is like, what? People just want to know what you're fudgeing doing. You could wake up and post your breakfast every day, and it'll get millions of views because you're TT Dobson. There's so many. My boy, Jordy Cray is obsessed with you.
- [32:30]
C
Like, really?
- [32:30]
A
He's like, the. What. What can we call him? He's like a TikTok. Like, I don't want to call him a T page, because I feel like he's more than a T page, but he's. He's an informational page. He's an informational outlet. And he absolutely. When he knew that you were coming on the podcast, he was just like, oh, my God, we might have to FaceTime him after. Just so I can. So you can say hi to him. Yeah, but just let's. I wanted I have a couple more questions about you and Yella. So you and Yella have been rocking together for years now. What do you think is the secret sauce that keeps the fire alive?
- [33:07]
C
Weirdly enough, I think. And I don't recommend this for. And I don't want to have any more time apart from him, but I think some time apart, kind of.
- [33:17]
A
Yeah.
- [33:18]
C
You know, But.
- [33:22]
A
I love that you said, I don't want any more time apart from him because a lot I think you guys are twin flames, like how Jay and I are. And Jay and I went through separations also. And I think you guys both have to just come to a point where you're just like, you know what? We're in this together, no matter fucking what. If we need to take a break, I'm going to go vacation, right, for two weeks, and then I'm going to come back and we're going to figure this shit the fuck out. And that's what Jay and I had to do. You know, we had to just say, okay, we're not going to. One of us isn't going to be a runner.
- [33:49]
C
Because I don't.
- [33:51]
A
Who's the runner? You? Him.
- [33:54]
C
Although I think it reversed.
- [33:58]
A
Yeah.
- [33:58]
C
For many years, he was the runner, and then it happened so many times that I was like, maybe I should run a little bit.
- [34:05]
A
Ptsd, though. You probably were like, let me run before he can run.
- [34:09]
C
Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. So we've. Yeah, we've spent a lot of time apart. We've missed birthdays. We've missed really important times.
- [34:21]
A
So I think you guys are gonna figure it out now. As we get older, we calm down a lot too, you know?
- [34:26]
C
Yes. Him as a man, it's a good thing.
- [34:32]
A
We love a docile yellow.
- [34:35]
C
I like that. He's calming. It makes me happy.
- [34:37]
A
Oh, good. Are you guys ever gonna collab together again?
- [34:41]
C
I was just in the studio with him and helped write a hook, so.
- [34:45]
A
Yay. I love when you guys collab.
- [34:47]
C
Yay.
- [34:47]
A
I think it's beautiful. I think you guys get to really, truly see. You guys love through music also.
- [34:53]
C
Well, the first time we ever tried, we went to a studio, Tree Sounds in Atlanta, and we were just dating. And that did not end up well. We started just. You can't play that. That's the wrong. We were just getting at each other, but now we're like. We respect each other's process.
- [35:08]
A
I love it.
- [35:09]
C
It's growth.
- [35:10]
A
You guys are growing up in front of my eyeballs. Yeah. So let's take it back to your music. What's a song from your catalog that still hits you right in the feelers every time you hear it?
- [35:23]
C
Hmm. Well, Scar from Sunday Love, I wrote that with a good friend, Matthew Walder, who actually is the lead singer of that. What's that song? Break youk stride from the 80s.
- [35:35]
A
Ain't nobody gonna break my.
- [35:37]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [35:38]
A
I love that.
- [35:39]
C
And he's an amazing writer. He wrote Reflection for Mulan. And, like, he's just. He's just, like, when you go there and you work with him, he's like a guru. He's just, like, such a sweet man. And so Scar was a special one because he literally just took my poetry or, like, just journal writing. And I was going through the situation with this guy, and I would just read it to him, and then he would take little bits from it and just. Just put into a song with me. And it was really cool process.
- [36:07]
A
I think the art of writing music is so poetic. Like, it's crazy how songs come about. And, like, what is. What would you say that your process is in the studio for writing music? Do you have, like, a ritual that you perform before?
- [36:19]
C
I need wine. That's. I need some wine.
- [36:22]
A
Yeah. It gets the emotions flowing, gets the juices, the creative juices going.
- [36:27]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [36:28]
A
What's your favorite wine?
- [36:30]
C
I love saucers. Like, I love a good French wine.
- [36:33]
A
Is it white or red?
- [36:35]
C
It's white, but I like a red when I'm, like, trying to chill, but.
- [36:39]
A
I don't like red. There's nothing sexy about red wine. Your teeth get gray.
- [36:43]
C
Right.
- [36:43]
A
Like, I can't do it.
- [36:45]
C
Do you like champagne? Do you like champagne?
- [36:47]
A
I do. I used to. I saw. You know, I'm sober now.
- [36:49]
C
I didn't know that.
- [36:50]
A
Yeah, girl. Thank you. I've been sober since 2017 off pills and cocaine, and then 2018 off alcohol.
- [36:57]
C
Wow.
- [36:57]
A
Yeah. But before I was a great time. You got to experience that.
- [37:03]
C
That's. That's hard. It's hard.
- [37:04]
A
It is. It is. Until it's not. And I always tell everybody, you know, sobriety is a beautiful journey, but you gotta really get real with yourself. All the. That you've numbed and masked with alcohol, pills, drugs, all that, when you don't have anything in your system that hits you full force.
- [37:22]
C
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I try to take time off here and there from drinking. Sometimes it gets. Here's the thing, too, is, like, it's everywhere, you know, when you're touring, when, you know, free, free, free, you know, and. And then Getting on stage, you're like, I need something. Yeah, it's something before I. So that's a hard thing to kind.
- [37:44]
A
Of deal with, but that's your process and.
- [37:46]
C
Yeah.
- [37:46]
A
When you're ready. And sobriety isn't for everybody.
- [37:50]
C
Right.
- [37:50]
A
You know, like, so I feel like as long as you're not killing yourself and, like, disrupting your everyday life with it, I think that, you know, that's amazing.
- [38:00]
C
That's beautiful.
- [38:02]
A
I appreciate you. So what is. What's another ritual besides wine in your. In the studio for your creative process?
- [38:10]
C
A ritual? I'm. I like melodies. Like, I'm a melody person. So more than a lyrical person. Like, Michael's amazing at lyrics. Like, he can just spit lyrics.
- [38:23]
A
Like, no, he's phenomenal.
- [38:25]
C
So good with it. And I'm more melody. So I just need to, like, hear, like, some chords or, like, piano being a piano being played or some guitar chords. And then I kind of just hum something. And Jim Johnson taught me Holy Ghosting, which I love, which is just get on the mic and let whatever's coming through you. Just. Even if it's just mumbling and you have some melody going with that. And he'll listen to it and be like, oh, did you hear that? You said that word there. And, like, it's like you're doing it subconsciously, you know? Yeah. Kind of cool.
- [38:57]
A
That's pretty organic. I like that. You do strike me as a melodic person, because your music, like, your songs, especially ones that have gotten huge, they have those melodies that stick in your mind.
- [39:08]
C
Yeah, melodies.
- [39:09]
A
Whereas, like, if you listen to Yellow Wolf's music, it's like, his lyrics.
- [39:13]
C
Yeah.
- [39:13]
A
You know, like, he's got that one, like, lyric in the song that you just want to scream at the top of your lungs.
- [39:18]
C
Yeah.
- [39:18]
A
Yeah, I can totally see that. Are there any artists right now that make you want to collaborate with them? Like, I. Like, you're anybody that you could collaborate right now. Like, I want to. I would kill to work with them, dude.
- [39:30]
C
Amyl and the Sniffers. I think that's what their band name is. They're from Australia.
- [39:34]
A
I haven't heard them. I'll have to look them up.
- [39:36]
C
She's like a female front woman, and she's amazing.
- [39:40]
A
The sn. Amy Allen and the Sniffers.
- [39:42]
C
Amy. L. I think Amy. And then just an L. And the Sniffers. Yeah.
- [39:46]
A
Can you bring that up for us so we can hear some of this Badass.
- [39:48]
C
And her visuals are crazy.
- [39:51]
A
Is she rock music?
- [39:52]
C
Yeah.
- [39:53]
A
Okay.
- [39:53]
C
Yeah.
- [39:53]
A
Yeah. Well, we're going to Check her out right now.
- [39:55]
C
Gas.
- [39:56]
A
Yeah. And they're from Australia.
- [39:58]
C
Yeah.
- [39:58]
A
You would never think that there would be rock bands from Australia.
- [40:01]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like her new visuals for. I think it's called. Oh, that song. Jerkin.
- [40:08]
A
It's crazy Jerkin.
- [40:10]
C
Yeah.
- [40:11]
A
I listen the sniffers Jerkin. I am here for this girl.
- [40:14]
C
Yeah. No, it's sick.
- [40:16]
A
I love this.
- [40:18]
C
It's raunchy.
- [40:28]
A
She's beautiful. Yeah. She reminds me of somebody. Who is it? Who does she remind me of?
- [40:46]
C
I don't know. Individuals are so awesome.
- [40:51]
A
Yeah. She's very, like, Veruga Salt meets, like, Courtney Love. Yes. Type.
- [41:01]
C
Yeah.
- [41:03]
A
Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely whole, like, the whole days.
- [41:07]
C
It's just so, like. It's so refreshing. I love seeing female front women. It's like.
- [41:11]
A
Yeah, me too.
- [41:12]
C
Always so good.
- [41:13]
A
Girl power. Always.
- [41:14]
C
I'm going to check out some, like, a pause. Turn it off.
- [41:21]
A
I'm going to check out more of her music.
- [41:22]
C
Yeah.
- [41:23]
A
What's the one thing that people assume about you that's totally wrong?
- [41:28]
C
Um, Back in the day, it would always be like, what is she on? Like, that was it.
- [41:39]
A
Don't you love that when people are like, accuse you of being on drugs.
- [41:42]
C
And you're like, wait, wait, that's just my eyes. Like, I have hooded eyes. Like, what? Seductive.
- [41:51]
A
Were you on drugs back then when people were asking?
- [41:54]
C
No, that's. That's what's funny. Because when I was dabbling in drugs, like, that's when they were like, she looks great. And when I was and it was like, she's on something. There's a problem here.
- [42:06]
A
I'm like, you're like, what the fuck?
- [42:08]
C
I can't win.
- [42:09]
A
If you had to create, like, an alter, like, ego, like what Beyonce has with Sasha Fierce, what would your alter ego be like, Sunday love?
- [42:17]
C
Yeah.
- [42:18]
A
I love that you hold your mom so close to you like that. What does that represent for you? What does she represent for you?
- [42:23]
C
You know, we've had an up, you know, our ups and downs and. But just, you know, she's a warrior to me and, like, a single mother of four kids, like, made it work and looking beautiful. And I don't know, you know, we didn't have a lot of money, but things that I did really need, which was a karaoke machine, which is what got me started. And, you know, we had food and we had shoes. They may have been 12 bucks, but they were, you know. Yeah.
- [42:55]
A
It doesn't matter if something was $12 or, you know, like, yeah, she made it Work.
- [43:00]
C
And she also had amazing, like. Well, for her it wasn't vintage, but to me it was vintage. So I'd go through like barrels of like her clothes from the 60s and 70s and rock that at school, you know.
- [43:12]
A
Do you have any of her pieces still?
- [43:14]
C
I do, yeah, I do.
- [43:16]
A
What do you have? Do you wear it on stage or is it like a good luck charm for you?
- [43:20]
C
It's some of the. More like femme. Like the dresses. I have some of those pieces. And this cross, the cross I wear. I never. This is like one of the only gifts I got from her as an adult and I wear it all the time. Like it's like a superstitious superstition now. Is that right? Superstition?
- [43:38]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [43:40]
C
But I. Yeah, Sunday love would definitely be.
- [43:45]
A
I love that. Being the rock star that you are. What is the most rock star thing you've ever done that you can say without getting in trouble?
- [44:00]
C
Oh, I'm trying to think. I mean, I've done the all nighters, I've done the partying, I've done.
- [44:06]
A
Have you ever up a hotel room, like just gone crazy and like smashed.
- [44:11]
C
The TV or thrown it off the balcony? Honestly, I was scared.
- [44:15]
A
I don't blame you.
- [44:16]
C
I've seen Wolf and. And Bones and those guys do a number on something.
- [44:21]
A
I've seen Wolf smash his own monitors on stage.
- [44:25]
C
Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that might be the most rock star thing I' done. Date him.
- [44:31]
A
Yeah, there you go.
- [44:32]
C
Yeah, like, come on.
- [44:34]
A
You're literally ringing a real life. Just werewolf over there, right? Yeah. You're the beast master.
- [44:40]
C
The beast master for girl. Listen. Amazing.
- [44:44]
A
So let's talk about what's next. Your fans are hungry for new music. What can you tell us about what's coming up next?
- [44:52]
C
Well, I need to get back in the studio. I've been kind of dragging my feet, but now I'm starting to get inspired again. So I think. Yeah, just getting back in the studio, writing some songs, doing this tour with Avril in the summer. Yeah. So I really wanted like at least a couple new tracks to present.
- [45:18]
A
Is it a big tour that you guys are doing? Let's talk about the tour.
- [45:21]
C
Yeah, she's doing. She's been on her greatest hits tour and I was just on it before the new year. I did some dates and then they asked me back. So. Yeah, I'm excited. I love her so much.
- [45:32]
A
Yeah.
- [45:32]
C
She's such an awesome, awesome woman. Yeah.
- [45:34]
A
I haven't got to. I think I saw her at an award show. I haven't got to, like, actually meet her, though.
- [45:39]
C
She'd love you.
- [45:40]
A
Yeah.
- [45:40]
C
Yeah.
- [45:41]
A
I think she follows me on Instagram.
- [45:42]
C
Of course. Yeah. No, she's awesome. You love her. Good.
- [45:47]
A
Is she, like, girl power, like, how you are too?
- [45:50]
C
Yeah. And I think as she's getting older, she's like, you know, we start at the same time. We're both from Canada and familiar. Yeah. And she's always been very supportive of me, and I have her, so it's. It's nice.
- [46:06]
A
Where can people buy tickets if they want to go?
- [46:10]
C
I think.
- [46:11]
A
Do you know what dates you're doing yet or.
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C
I do, but I don't remember them.
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A
Okay, no worries.
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C
I mean, that's like. That made no sense. Then I was like, I do, but.
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A
I don't just Google you guys want to go?
- [46:22]
C
Yeah. It's on her flyer. Like, flyer. It's on her post flyer.
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A
4 90s and 2000s babies.
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C
On her social media and then on mine as well.
- [46:34]
A
Yeah.
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C
Yay.
- [46:35]
A
I'm excited. Maybe we'll come to a show if you guys are close. That would be so fun.
- [46:38]
C
That would be amazing.
- [46:39]
A
Yeah. I want to see you in your element because all these years that I've known you, I've never got to see you in your element. No, I don't think I have.
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C
Michael's coming too. Is. He's going to come for the Niagara Falls. Yay. Yeah.
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A
Awesome. All right, cool. Maybe we'll. We'll be able to come. You know, daddy's touring a little bit this year, but we have a lot of off time too, so we can definitely make that happen. You've evolved so much as an artist. What's something new that you're exploring in your sound this time around? Like, when you do start writing, what do you think you'll be doing that's different?
- [47:10]
C
I think respecting that I'm in a. Like, that I'll be 40, I think, like, really coming from, like, you know, the. The woman that I've become.
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A
That sounds like an album title. The woman that I've become.
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C
I love that. And, like, just not try to. I don't know, like, I don't want to go back in time, you know, I want to move forward and I respect what I've done in the past, but I do want to move forward, and I would love to have a child too at some point, and I think that would inspire my writing as well.
- [47:46]
A
Yeah, we need a little thieves running around. Oh, my God, Your kid with your face would be so cute, dude. I can see it. Now I'm visual. You gotta manifest it.
- [47:56]
C
Yeah, I really do. I mean, I'm. You know, life is. I don't have control over what goes on inside. Right. I mean, as I'm getting older, so I'm like, I'm. I have to be. I'm ready, I think.
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A
Are you guys trying to have a baby? Indirectly.
- [48:13]
C
Yeah. Yeah.
- [48:15]
A
Oh, Is Yellow open to how he wants a child?
- [48:18]
C
Yeah.
- [48:19]
A
Oh, my God. It's gonna happen. You got. You're putting it in the universe, so it's gonna happen.
- [48:23]
C
It'd be cool being a woman.
- [48:25]
A
Oh. Just trying to procreate these days after all the we've done with our bodies is like, you know, it's hard. You know, I lived a very rough life, so I put my body through a lot of. I don't know about you, but. Yeah, everybody's bodies are different. But it's gonna happen for you guys.
- [48:42]
C
Thanks.
- [48:43]
A
I'm really excited. All right, so I'm gonna ask you some rapid fire questions, and you have to answer fast.
- [48:50]
C
All right, I'll try. All right.
- [48:52]
A
Dream Festival lineup. Who's playing?
- [48:55]
C
Who's playing? Dream Festival lineup. Well, Amyl the sniffers.
- [48:58]
A
Yeah.
- [49:02]
C
Ooh, let's throw, I don't know, Mariah Carey in there.
- [49:08]
A
What a diverse festival. Would Mariah even step out into a festival without her heels on? You know how bougie she is.
- [49:16]
C
But that would be hilarious.
- [49:17]
A
She'd be like, me, a festival girl? Never.
- [49:19]
C
Yeah.
- [49:20]
A
You get one superpower. What are you choosing?
- [49:23]
C
Flying.
- [49:24]
A
Aw, I love that. What is it about flying that you love?
- [49:28]
C
I don't know. I dream of it a lot. That I can fly out of situations, feel safe.
- [49:34]
A
I love that. And just be above ground and watch everything. I love that. If you weren't doing music, what would you be doing?
- [49:44]
C
Does acting count or is that still in the same.
- [49:47]
A
Yeah, no, I mean, I think acting's hard, dude. Not that.
- [49:50]
C
Yeah.
- [49:50]
A
Being a musician isn't, but acting is another craft.
- [49:53]
C
Yeah. Acting or working with dolphins. I don't know.
- [49:57]
A
She's like, both. Fuck it.
- [49:59]
C
Yeah.
- [50:00]
A
What's the weirdest rumor you've ever heard about yourself?
- [50:05]
C
Weirdest rumor in the Internet. I don't know if I have heard any rumors. She's like, I stay.
- [50:14]
A
She's like, I stay. So under the radar, bitches. You guys do not know.
- [50:18]
C
Anyway, I'm like, that's great. So that'd be great.
- [50:21]
A
Let's get the rumor. Rumor mill flying.
- [50:23]
C
Yeah.
- [50:25]
A
One thing. You can't go on tour without.
- [50:31]
C
My leather pants.
- [50:33]
A
What did you Say, I'm so sorry.
- [50:34]
C
Leather pants.
- [50:34]
A
Leather pants. Oh, yeah, No, I agree.
- [50:36]
C
Or leather jacket and leather jacket.
- [50:38]
A
Yeah, totally.
- [50:38]
C
Combo.
- [50:39]
A
And we're going to close this out. What is something that you're working on that fans can get hyped for besides new music and the tour with Avril? It's a lot.
- [50:53]
C
There's a movie. I'm in a movie. Yay. And that's coming out, I think the premieres the end of the month. And, yeah, it's kind of like a love letter to Scarborough, which is where I'm from. Yeah.
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A
What's your part in the movie?
- [51:10]
C
I'm a nurse that is in a relationship with a younger guy who ultimately gets put in a really tough situation. And there's a lot of, yeah, violence and sadness, but it. At the mov. But the end of the day, the movie is about hope and being resilient.
- [51:32]
A
So does it have a name?
- [51:33]
C
Morningside.
- [51:34]
A
Morningside, yeah, Morningside.
- [51:36]
C
It's directed by my friend Ron Diaz from Toronto. And. Yeah, that's something different.
- [51:41]
A
How can people watch it? Can we watch it or will it.
- [51:44]
C
I think it'll be in theaters, actually. Yeah.
- [51:46]
A
Look at you, my little actress.
- [51:50]
C
Yeah, I think it'll be in theaters. I don't know if it'll be in theaters like, in Nashville or, like, whatever, but it'll be somewhere.
- [51:57]
A
Do you think it'll be on streaming ever? Yeah, I feel like everything goes to.
- [52:00]
C
Everything goes to streaming, like, in, like, two weeks.
- [52:02]
A
Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know why.
- [52:04]
C
To use out. And everyone's like, we have to go see the theater. And then it was like, five days later. It's.
- [52:08]
A
Yeah. I don't even know why they have theaters anymore. I feel like it's just like an. Like a. What do they call it? Like a God. What is the word?
- [52:15]
C
Nostalgic.
- [52:16]
A
Like, nostalgic. Yes.
- [52:17]
C
The thing is, though, when you go, you literally have everyone talking. And we. Michael and I went to go see this movie called Presence the other day, and we had. It was so bad. It's supposed to be a horror movie, and I'm a horror buff. I love horror films. And it was so bad. Like, I started busting out laughing in, like, a middle of a really quiet scene, and Michael looks at me, goes, we gotta get out of here. Let's just go. Because we were gonna both die laughing. And so we had our popcorn and we. And he had his jalapenos and his nachos with his cheese. And then.
- [52:49]
A
What's your favorite horror movie? Because one of My girlfriends is a huge horror fan and she even reads, like, the horror books.
- [52:55]
C
Do you read those too now?
- [52:57]
A
Okay, I don't. I don't know if that's something you'd be into a book. I don't. Well, it's. I forget the name of it. I'll have to go look, I'll send it to you. I'll screenshot it to you. But she was telling me about how she's reading this book where this guy takes this lady's body, rips her arms off and her teeth out, and then like. Like, has his way with her. And I'm like, why are you reading that? What the about that turns you on?
- [53:18]
C
I kind of get why the teeth were taken out.
- [53:22]
A
I mean, I didn't even think that far ahead. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. Okay, so you're not that much of a, like, into, like, the crazy stuff like that.
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C
My favorite horror movie is, like, the Exorcist.
- [53:33]
A
Okay.
- [53:33]
C
I love, you know, a good Freddy Krueger. I love Freddy Krueger. So I love Elm street and then Exorcism of Emily Rose. I like that kind of more like slashers. I'm not a big slasher.
- [53:47]
A
Right, okay, so you like, like that? Like fantasy? Dreamy. Like horror?
- [53:51]
C
Yeah, I like. I like possession.
- [53:56]
A
Okay, so like spiritual.
- [53:57]
C
What about the exorcism was like, fantasy?
- [54:01]
A
I've never watched it. I'm scared. I get scared with, like, spiritual shit. I'm afraid something's gonna latch onto me.
- [54:06]
C
I just. Scared. No, it's true. It's one of those things you have to be very.
- [54:09]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [54:10]
C
Careful with what you. You watch. Like, Michael, he's less about that, but I just make sure that everything's protected. I have people in my life that cleanse the mirrors and do all the.
- [54:22]
A
Things, which is very important. You have to have a team. Are you into, like, witchcraft and stuff like that? I didn't know that. So do you practice?
- [54:31]
C
I grew up with it around my home, and my mom could read cards and she was very spiritually in tuned and could see things and sense things. So it's just natural that I gravitate. Yeah. And I think it. Sometimes people think. Hear that word and they get scared. And there's a lot of, like, beauty in. In. In that and, like. Yeah, you know?
- [54:56]
A
No, I don't. There's always good and bad, of course. And that's what I was just about to say is, like, I don't think people. People realize. People think when they hear the word rich. Witchcraft. They think about like, how the Bible's always like, oh, it's so bad, and blah, blah. But really, if you think about it, in the Bible, they talk about manifesting. They talk about, like, spell work and stuff like that.
- [55:13]
C
And three, lighting a candle. We like candles all the time.
- [55:17]
A
Communion.
- [55:17]
C
Yeah.
- [55:18]
A
Is a ritual that people do in Christian churches and Catholic churches.
- [55:23]
C
And honestly, like, there are good people, there are bad people. Think people are going to use things for good or for darkness, it. For anything.
- [55:30]
A
Yeah.
- [55:31]
C
You know, so absolutely. I. I have a lot of good, beautiful people who protect you. Yeah. With beautiful light around them, so.
- [55:41]
A
And you're protected in the spiritual realm, too.
- [55:43]
C
Yeah. Now I got up, I got puppies up there. I got my dogs, I got extra protection.
- [55:48]
A
Yes.
- [55:48]
C
I love my girls so much.
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A
So, Vivi, thank you so much for coming back.
- [55:51]
C
Thank you for having me.
- [55:53]
A
I'm just so happy to be sitting here with you. And I'm just. I can see the growth in you too. Like, it's so sweet. Not. Not that you needed growth or anything like that, But, I mean, 10 years is a huge thing. So I can just see, like, how much, you know, life you've lived since we met.
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C
Thank you. I appreciate that.
- [56:09]
A
Yeah. Tell people where they can find you.
- [56:13]
C
Well, I guess I have a Tick tock.
- [56:16]
A
I'm gonna go follow it right now.
- [56:17]
C
Yeah, I do. So excited. I do have a tick tock. And then I think my actual Instagram is Fifi Dobson. I actually don't even know is my Instagram Fifi Dobson.
- [56:27]
A
We'll look it up right now.
- [56:28]
C
Oh, my God. Everyone's like, what the heck?
- [56:31]
A
Tick tock is Phoebe Dobson too, right? Okay.
- [56:34]
C
Yeah, yeah.
- [56:35]
A
They're all following right now.
- [56:38]
C
That's me. Dude.
- [56:39]
A
You and Yellow should make some Tiktoks. They'll go viral.
- [56:42]
C
Yeah.
- [56:42]
A
Or even, dude, go on Tick Tock and sing one of your. Your classic songs, like, to the, like, just like, you getting ready. That would go viral, dude.
- [56:49]
C
Like, I need your help.
- [56:50]
A
I got you.
- [56:51]
C
I love when musicians are, like, stripped.
- [56:53]
A
Down, like you said. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [56:55]
C
I want to do that thing that they. What do they do at Starbucks where you make your. Your significant person or, you know, order you a drink that doesn't exist? They get so frustrated.
- [57:04]
A
Yes, please. Oh, my God. He would get so mad.
- [57:06]
C
He gets so.
- [57:08]
A
Do it.
- [57:08]
C
It would be so funny.
- [57:10]
A
Do it, please. Not at the cost of anything, an argument, but please just do it. I think it would be so funny, dude.
- [57:16]
C
So funny. Yay.
- [57:18]
A
You guys go follow Phoebe right now. She needs all the love on TikTok, please. And I can't wait to see you just succeed and keep growing like you have been.
- [57:27]
C
I appreciate it.
- [57:28]
A
Yeah. Love you.
- [57:29]
C
Love you.
- [57:30]
A
Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.