TBT: Gypsy Rose - Healing From Horror

Summary

Dumb Blonde Podcast: TBT - Gypsy Rose - Healing From Horror

Date: December 18, 2025
Host: Bunnie XO (with co-hosts, possibly including Jay and Mimi)
Topic: A candid, irreverent, deeply personal deep dive into the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case, the trauma and aftermath, and the media and cultural fascination since her prison release.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Dumb Blonde features Bunnie XO and her crew sitting informally at her dining room table, chatting about the true-crime phenomenon and media obsession with Gypsy Rose Blanchard. The group dissects Gypsy’s traumatic childhood, the cascading failures of institutions and family, and the layers of healing, manipulation, and notoriety that have followed her. The tone remains conversational, irreverent, and empathetic—blending pop culture commentary, cathartic humor, and thoughtful reflection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gypsy Rose in the Spotlight

Timestamps: [06:07] - [11:15]

• Gypsy’s Viral Fame:
  The episode opens in real-time with Gypsy as a newly-minted social media sensation, already at “8 million TikTok followers overnight” ([10:27]).
  “I’ve never seen somebody’s TikTok grow this fast.” – Host [10:16]
• Media Tour:
  Multiple interviews—Lifetime, ABC, NBC—suggest her team is working overtime.
  “I don’t know how she’s able to keep that composure so well. I’m wondering if someone was training her in jail before she got out.” – Co-host [07:06]
• Voice and Trauma:
  Discussion arises about Gypsy’s high-pitched voice, linking it to childhood trauma:
  “When girls have trauma at such a young age, their voices get stuck like that… sound like little girls.” – Host [06:24]

2. The Anatomy of Abuse: Dee Dee Blanchard

Timestamps: [14:04] - [36:42]

• Dee Dee’s Background:
  Born Claudine “Dee Dee” Petrie in rural Louisiana, troubling childhood, suspected of prior poisoning and neglect.
• Munchausen by Proxy:
  Dee Dee methodically fabricates and enforces illness in Gypsy, including forged medical records, unnecessary surgeries, and strict isolation.
• Family Complicity and Failure:
  The hosts question how much Dee Dee’s family knew or enabled, showing righteous outrage:
  “You guys suspected that she killed somebody. I feel like, what’s wrong with this family?” – Host [16:25]
• Cycle of Abuse:
  The possible generational abuse—implied molestation by Gypsy’s grandfather, Dee Dee’s behavior—sparks reflection on inherited trauma.

3. Systemic Failure

Timestamps: [41:04] - [42:54]

• Medical and Social Service Lapses:
  Doctors’ incredulity, lack of concrete action; police and social workers dismissing reports outright:
  “How much more proof did you need? …These doctors failed her.” – Host [41:04], [41:33] “The system failed Gypsy in this.” – Co-host [42:00]
• Parallels with Other Abuse Cases:
  Comparison to Gabriel Hernandez and other failed interventions by authorities.

4. The Crime: Planning and Aftermath

Timestamps: [44:45] - [67:09]

• Gypsy & Godejohn:
  The “Christian Mingle” romance between Gypsy and Nicholas Godejohn, his autism diagnosis, their BDSM communications, and the murder plot.
• Executing the Plan:
  Gypsy provides duct tape, gloves, and a knife; hides in the bathroom as Nicholas stabs Dee Dee 17 times ([51:58]).
  “That’s overkill. That’s somebody who hates you.” – Host [52:12]
• Aftermath:
  The couple flees, is identified through Facebook posts (“the b**** is dead”), and apprehended within days thanks to a neighbor who’d saved digital evidence ([56:12]).

5. The Trial and Public Sentiment

Timestamps: [61:27] - [67:57]

• Shifting Sympathy:
  Initially, the public saw Gypsy as suspect, but as her long-term abuse comes to light, the tables turn.
  “Sympathy for her as the victim of a violent murder rapidly shifted to her daughter as a long-term victim of child abuse.” – Co-host reading from news [61:27]
• Legal Proceedings:
  Gypsy gets a plea deal (10 years, [61:27]); Nicholas faces life without parole ([67:09]).
  The texts and evidence show both mutual planning and Nicholas’ leading role.

6. Healing, Patterns, and the Road Ahead

Timestamps: [66:32] - [75:51]

• Cycle Breakers:
  Reflecting on generational trauma, breaking cycles, and the hope that Gypsy might transcend her upbringing.
  “Our parents are literally surviving with trauma they never healed. It was our responsibility to then heal—be the cycle breakers. …It took until Gypsy.” – Co-host [51:28]
• Parole and Life After Prison:
  Gypsy’s parole and quick marriage to Ryan Anderson.
  “She hasn’t found her new obsession. …Seeing how her mom was and her mom’s obsession with things doesn’t surprise me.” – Co-host [75:27]
• Media & Fame:
  Her viral posts, speculation on future OnlyFans fame, and the group’s unease about how society obsesses over Gypsy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Generational Trauma:
  “Our parents are literally, like, surviving with trauma they never healed. …Be the cycle breakers and this. …It took until Gypsy to be that.” – Co-host, [51:28]

• On Medical System’s Failure:
  “How much more proof did you need? Multiple surgeries, her head is shaved, she’s in a wheelchair, salivary glands removed, teeth out of her head… I really feel like these doctors failed her.” – Host, [41:04]

• On Netflix/True-Crime Obsession:
  “She can’t even make one video on TikTok without getting, like, 50 million views… People are obsessed with her right now.” – Host, [76:18]

• On Abuse and Snap Decisions:
  “When you’re in an abusive relationship…you get to a point where you’re like, if you touch me one more time, I’m going to kill you.” – Host, [59:09]

• Memorable, Lighthearted Tangents:

  • The co-hosts recounting “schlotzski’d” dinner delays and New Year’s Eve antics ([02:45]–[05:13]).
  • Laughing speculation about Gypsy’s potential for OnlyFans and her “prison skincare routine.”
  • Honest, unfiltered banter about boundaries, relationships, and trauma survival.

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Key Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |-------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 06:07 | Transition to Gypsy Rose discussion; forensic pop culture status | | 09:31 | Abuse at home; childhood manipulation and family background | | 14:04 | Full biography of Dee Dee; early suspicions and cycles of abuse | | 24:21 | Medical fabrication and “doctor shopping,” system failures | | 41:04 | Failure of social services and medical staff; accountability | | 51:58 | Events of the murder; emotional impact | | 61:27 | Legal outcomes, trial insights, Gypsy’s plea, Nicholas’ sentencing | | 66:32 | Reflection: has Gypsy broken the cycle of abuse? | | 72:38 | Gypsy’s 2023 parole and post-prison marriage to Ryan Anderson | | 75:51–end | Closing reflections, fame, media obsession, speculation on Gypsy’s future |

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Tone & Takeaways

• The episode’s mood alternates between wry humor, righteous anger, vulnerable self-disclosure, and empathetic discussion of trauma.
• The hosts consistently center Gypsy’s humanity, battered childhood, and the ways abuse warps survival, while also honestly questioning how the cycle of manipulation continues.
• The crew acknowledges that despite tabloid fascination, Gypsy’s healing is only beginning, and her future is uncertain: “only time will tell” ([66:47]).

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For Listeners Unfamiliar with the Case

You’ll gain a thorough understanding of the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case from both a true crime lens and through the hosts’ personal, emotional, and unabashed reactions—making it both informative and cathartic listening for anyone new to her story.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

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[Bunny]

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[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

This a deep dive on Gypsy Rose Blanchard. I Have my striking young lads over here.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Mimi, I thought you were talking about Chachi.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I thought she was talking about Chachi.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, ladettes. I have my striking young ladettes here. How you guys doing?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

We're doing. So I'm good. I'm hungry.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I'm. Dude. You guys, we ordered food forever ago, and the time keeps going up. And I feel we call this getting schlot skied. Because Jay and I. Yeah, I was gonna say hi. No, no, no. Me and Jay do. Because there was one time that Jay was so hungry, and he has never ordered from Schlotsky's ever.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Right. That's a real place.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Oh, it's a real place. And he ordered a sandwich from Schlotzky's. And I'm telling you, he ordered at like 7. At 11:30. They were supposed to be bringing it the. Or, no, it was probably 11. At 11, they were supposed to be bringing it. The restaurant closed, and he never got a sandwich. So we call it getting schlotzki because they just keep moving the time up and up and.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, tragic happened to me in New York, you guys, when I went back up to my hotel room when we were walking and we're down by St. Patrick's Cathedral, we ordered it and I wanted, like, like a little dessert to get delivered. And I was like, by the time we walk all the way back to Times Square, it should be delivered. Right. His food got delivered and mine, as the guy showed up, canceled the order.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, that is the worst. I feel like they should have to pay for that example. Like, that is, like, emotional distress.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's what I. I would like.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Especially when you've been waiting, like, an.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Hour and you want something. You have, like a taste in your mouth or something.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

It looks so good. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Speaking of Times Square, we just rang in the new year.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Bring a ding ding ring.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

A ding ding. We had our New Year's kiss under the ball dropping in Times Square with Bailey with us and LL Cool J and Ryan Seacrest. That was crazy.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Crazy.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

You guys did you guys. Full on tongue.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

No, no, it was a little bit.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

For the New York New or the National New Year.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

It was in the airport.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

You're pretend. You guys are pretend gay?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Andy, how does that make you feel? Because Andy's real gay. I always give them a hard time. I'm like, would you eat a muff? And they're always like, Would you eat a muff? Yeah, baby. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. But it was just magical, and it.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Really Was a very magical moment. The moment I looked up and saw the confetti coming down. I will be honest everyone. I cried like a little.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I cried one I didn't really cry then, but then on Instagram is when I found out that the confetti was hand thrown. And that's when I cried because yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

This one panicked over here.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, well, I mean you got people throwing on you from up, you know, you don't even know where it's coming from.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, some have riding on them too, so. Which means they were like manhandled.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Let's not freak her out.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, I, I listen, I had to really block it out.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh my God. I thought you just erased all my notes.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So anyways, we ordered food a while ago and the time just keeps going up and up and up and just a minute ago it was at 6:55, then it went up to 7:10, then it went up to 7 15.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Tell them going to go I'm now I always mess.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

It's at 7:35. No, I swear to God.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Message the guy and be like what the is happening?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Nobody's.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

It says preparing your order. Oh, they haven't even finished. They haven't even done the wrapping up.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

No.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Should I call them?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Mine doesn't do the wrapping up call.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So pause while we wait. Let's dive into the icon of the month right now. Like Gypsy Rose is really getting a lot of attention and I could listen to her talk for forever. I love her voice.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. You like how she.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, I love her voice. They do say that when girls have trauma at such a young age, their voices get stuck like that and high pitched. I used to have a friend named Katie who had a really high pitched voice like that.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Wow.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

They almost still sound like little girls.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah, it's like harboring that little part that you didn't get in your life.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. She has so much trauma, dude.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

It's unbelievable.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

It's crazy weird how like kind of normal I feel like ish she is right now with what she freaking went through.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, for sure. It's definitely a lot to take on. And I was, I started watching her Lifetime episodes last night. Her dad's not a bad looking dude.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She must be on some type of like publicist run or her publicist got her like for doing the rounds because there are so many interviews. We've got Lifetime, we've got abc, we've got NBC. Like all of the things are just coming for her and I don't know how she's able to keep that composure so, well, I'm wondering if someone was training her in jail before she got out because she is so well spoken.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I think probably working with somebody training her. But also when you come from such traumatic shit like that, you learn to have calm in the chaos.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So true, very true.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I really think, you know, and not to mention, she spent a lot of time in hospitals. She spent a lot of time around people who talked, you know, and she.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Wasn'T not all there. So, like, she was able to comprehend everything they were saying.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So I just. It's crazy to me. She knows exactly what to say when she's asked. Watching that, I think it was abc, I believe, did a interview with her and they asked some really, like, interesting questions that I feel like they were trying to slip her up almost and get her to say something. And her responses were so, well like, articulated that it really impressed me.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, she's had eight years to sit in there and think of what she's gonna say too, you know. And I mean, I believe everything about her story, I think even down to the grandpa molesting her. That was in the first two episodes of her thing last. That dropped last night, the lifetime thing. And, you know, the grandpa denied it. And I'm just like, this little girl's been through so much. She's not little anymore, but this girl has been through so much that it's like, why her grandpa molesting her is like the least of her worries. And I'm not downplaying her trauma. I'm just saying this girl's had her teeth ripped out of her head because of her mom. Like crazy, you know, So I don't think her saying, hey, my girl. And the weirdest thing was, did you guys watch any of the episodes?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

A little bit of it, yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

The grandpa, whenever they said this to him, was completely guilty. He sat there and looked at him and was like, no, I never touched her. She used to try to touch me when she was 4 years old. Like, oh, bro. I like to say that, like, even.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And this is the grandpa of the mom. So, like, that already tells me the mom was already sick in the head.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, I think, yeah, I think maybe he did it to the mom.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And then I'm most definitely.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

You never know.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Gypsy said she did try to talk to her grandpa about it or her mom about it. And the mom, like, started like, blaming herself and crying and all this stuff. And Gypsy said she just kind of shut down because of course her mom was making it all about her. Of course wasn't about her Child's trauma. You know, it had to go. It had to be about her, so. Well, let's dive in. Let's start talking about it.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

This story's crazy, man. I. I really feel like she deserves everything she's getting right now.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Talking about being a sensation, Gypsy Rose has come out of jail and overnight has gained 7.4 million followers on social media.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I think first selfie across all socials.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

No, just Tick Tock.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Okay. I was gonna say. I think. Yeah, I'm gonna go look at her right now.

[Bunny]

Selfie.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I've never seen somebody I know. I've never seen somebody's Tick Tock grow this fast.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

They already have it verified.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. Like, it's crazy. Her team works hard, that's for sure. They put in 8 million. She's at 8 million.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So since last night, when I typed in the 7.54, she's still 7.4 on Instagram. Okay, so since last night, she has jumped to the 8 million. Yeah, because she has become more active on Tick Tock also.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And, you know, came out of the gates just selfied up, looking amazing, married, like.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She's so cute, right?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Adorable.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She looks like a cute little possum, don't you think? Like, just the cutest. Like, little just. You want to just kiss her little face.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Her little eyes are adorable. And, like, I don't know why. I guess I thought she was younger than she is, but she's. She's not.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She looks young. Her skin's gorgeous.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Young.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

How old is she?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

31.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

31.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Okay.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Like that prison skincare routine, whatever.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She was doing. Amazing.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, they probably. They're not wearing makeup and stuff, too, so I feel like that probably helps.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So to start this off, if you guys don't know who she is or if you're living under a rock and have never heard this story before, we're. We're gonna go ahead and give you the full breakdown, starting all the way back to her mother, Dee.

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[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

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[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Dee Dee Blanchard was born Claudine Petrie in Louisiana near the Gulf coast in 1967, and grew up with her family in nearby Golden Meadow. She was one of the five children of Claude Anthony Petrie Senior. That's Gramps.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Right.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And Emma Lou, Emma Louise gis Claire. And they are so Cajun, dude.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Very Cajun.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So occasion. Is that what they're called? Cajun.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Right.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Isn't it? Because they talk with that. Yeah, that Louisiana Cajun accent, you know, you can't understand it, like.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

No, it's crazy. It's actually French. Fun fact, everyone, because French for trash. Can we talk about your moment?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, no.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

But they have a very strong accent and five kids, so she's one of five. Did you say that? Yep. One of five. Relatives.

[Bunny]

Child.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. Relatives recalled that she had a habit of stealing from her family, which they speculated was a form of retaliation when things didn't go her way. At some point early in her adult life, she worked as a nurse's aide. The family expressed Suspicion that in 1997, she might have killed her own mother. And by denying her food. So she starved her own mother.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I also read that she was, like, slowly poisoning her, too.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, so Dee Dee was. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Sorry, guys, I don't know what you whistle. I'm trying to. The Uber Eats driver just messaged me. Said it's gonna be about 25 minutes. Do we want them to wait?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

We've already been waiting long to get.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Anything else I was gonna say. Yeah, it'll take time to throw in some free bread sticks.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Free bread sticks. So how was she withholding food from her mom?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She was a nurse.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

She was the nurse's aide for probably.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Her responsibility to do such things as, like, feeding and taking.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I wonder if she did it to anyone else, too. Like, I wonder if she was at aid for anyone else and would also.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Dey had to be sick in the mind to do what she did to her daughter, let alone to everyone else. So, I mean, to put a woman like that in care of anyone is just disheartening.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

What weirds me out is it says the family expressed Suspicion that in 1997 she might have killed her own mother by denying her food. Yeah. Yet you guys were fine with her having a child and doing this to her, but you guys suspected that she killed somebody. I feel like, what's wrong with this family?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

They had. This has to be within the genesis. This can't.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I guess this is in the DNA.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Someone peed in your gene pool.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, literally. No, this is. This is more than piss. This is. Somebody took a big old nine inch turd. Nine inch turd fell from the butthole into these jeans. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's J, G E N E S jeans.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I don't even know how you just spelled that.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I. I'm so hungry, I almost take it away.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, when she was. She became pregnant by Rod Blanchard, then 17.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

What?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Sounds not legal.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

What?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, they said that in the. In the lifetime thing she was 24. Well, she lied. She lied about her age to him. That's what he said.

[Bunny]

Wow.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Oh, Rod. And Rod's a good looking dude.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

He's not.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I need a picture of Rob. Rod, Rod. I don't think I've seen him. So I first look on her social.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Media, they just put. She put up like a family picture.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Together, as on her selfie that has 6.5 million likes per.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Kidding.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

That's her dad.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

What?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

That's what I said. That's what I said. I'm like, how did. I'm not understanding how him and old.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Deidre, I wonder if they were in a relationship.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She was pretty.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

For like a year.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I wonder if they were in a relationship though, or if it was like a one night stand type of thing.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, he said that they got married after she got pregnant within like three months. And after a year of them being together, he told her like, hey, dude, I don't want to be in this.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

He.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah, they broke up before she was even born. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And the mom always blamed her and said that your dad left me because you weren't the son that he wanted. Yeah, that's up to do to a child. How do you say that to a child? Like, that's so weird.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's awful.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

But like, give it up. If you don't want the child, give it up for adoption, man. Like, I don't know. I feel like she kind of saw her ticket, though. Oh, for sure.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And a way to control him.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Because she was very crazy about their relationship. She wouldn't let them have a relationship together.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

They named their daughter Gypsy Rose because Dee Dee liked the name Gypsy and Rod was a fan of Guns N Roses. Shortly before Gypsy's birth In July of 1991, the couple separated when Rod realized he got married for the wrong reasons. He resisted Dee Dee's efforts to get him to return, and she took her newborn daughter to live with her family. Gypsy often went with her parents to Special olympics events. In 2001, when Dee Dee claimed Gypsy was 8, she was actually 10. She was named the honorary queen of the Crew of Mid City. A child oriented parade held during Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Just so weird that she just wanted her kid to be younger than she was. Like, she's still a child.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

10 years old is not grown that much older.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, it's so weird.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I feel like something happened to Dee when she was really young, and I know that we had kind of touched on that before, but, like, she was trying to, like, hold on to that adolescence with everything that she had.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, I think the younger she was, too, the more perks she got. It seemed like. Yeah, she seems very conniving.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I wonder if we know Gypsy's real age, if her birth certificate was actually destroyed.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

She forged her birth certificate.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, weird.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

That'll do it. Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Gypsy seems to have stopped going to school after second grade, possibly even as early as kindergarten. Her mother home schooled her after that, supposedly because her illnesses were so severe. This was later believed to have been an attempt to isolate Gypsy to further her abuse.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Wow.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Gypsy's father had remarried, and Dee Dee moved in with her father and stepmother. They later said that when preparing food for her stepmother, Dee Dee poisoned it with Roundup weed killer, leading to the stepmother's chronic illness during this period. During that time, Dee Dee was arrested for several minor offenses, including writing bad checks. When the Petris began to regularly confront her about her treatment of Gypsy, Gypsy and expressed suspicion about her role in her stepmother's health, Dee Dee left with Gypsy for the New Orleans suburb of. I think it's Slidell. How do I pronounce that? Slidell. Her stepmother's health returned to normal shortly after. Why didn't they test her blood?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

But, like, why was she living with them?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

You couldn't afford to go anywhere else.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah, like, and you're just. That's awful.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

But also, if you're feeling sick eating this food, why don't you stop eating this food? But they even said, I even saw, like, when she wasn't around and she wasn't eating their food, she would feel better. So I'm just like, how do you not catch on to that? I mean, you have to let me.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Eat something and get sick one time from somebody.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I'm never eating.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Never again.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Shoe doesn't.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I won't eat from anybody anyways. But, like, that's just insane to me.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That she just kept doing it.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

That they just.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Mom than her.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

They're like, hey, are you poisoning her? You know, and, like, letting her lie her way out of it and then continuing to let her cook for this woman.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I don't feel like. I don't. I don't know. They had to be sick in their own heads because there's no way just. Yeah, maybe oblivious. Maybe that's what it is. Just like.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, they're not oblivious. They knew what was going on. Oblivious would mean that they weren't paying attention or that they didn't know what was going on. They knew what was going on.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's awful.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, that's exactly.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Let her leave with. With this child.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

In Slidell.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Slidell.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

In Slidell. She and Gypsy lived in public housing. They paid their bills with RODs, child support payments, and public assistance Dee had been granted due to her daughter's supposed medical conditions. So I'm wondering, she must have been making these up when Gypsy was young, because it says that she left while she was a newborn, and she's over here getting public assistance already while she's a newborn. They saw various specialists, mostly at the. How would you guys say that? Tulane.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Tulane.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Mostly at the Tulane Medical center and the Children's Hospital of New Orleans, seeking treatment for the illness DD claims Gypsy had, which now includes hearing and vision problems. With a muscle biopsy, found no signs of the muscular dystrophy. Dystrophy.

[Bunny]

Stop.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I can't see.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Hungry.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Same.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Found no signs of muscular dystrophy. Dee Dee insisted Gypsy had. She had successfully insured treatments for Gypsy's other issues. After she told doctors Gypsy had seizures every few months, they prescribed anti seizure medication. Don't you have to have proof for seizures?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

How so?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Back dog.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Like, I'm confused.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Back then, I don't think they had the technology that we have now. Like, they don't. They didn't do sleep. Because I was gonna say when.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

When Kayla had hers, didn't she have to have, like, you have to do sleep study?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, there's a thing with seizures, and, you know, this is what I've been told. I'm not 100 positive. So anybody out there, if you have seizures, you know, please take this with a grain of salt. But one of the doctors did tell Kayla that in order to be diagnosed with a seizure problem, you have to have more than one.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Correct. I do remember her saying that is like, you can't be considered epileptic unless you have more than one seizure.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yes. Which is scary.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. Because, you know, like, let's just risk it.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Oh, my gosh. So I don't know how if they were, like, faking it, if she was making Gypsy fake them or what it.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Says that she had. Several surgeries were performed on her. During this time, Dee Dee regularly took Gypsy to The emergency room for minor ailments.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

What if she maybe did, like, what it. I mean, how do.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

We had said in the special, she said that she would do anything for her mom because she just wanted to feel loved. And if she didn't feel loved, if she didn't do what her mom wanted her do, her mom would make sure that she didn't feel loved and would, like, like, love on the cat and, like, pet the cat. Love on the cat. And then look at her, you know.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Like, as a newborn, she. She doesn't know to do that. So she's like, what if she actually had problems as a newborn? Like, for real? But then Dee Dee saw that she could get money from that, and she just kept it going. She did, like, maybe that's.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She had an eye problem. She had an extremely lazy eye, and I think that's what she noticed.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Because in the beginning, they said something about vision issues that.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

And I heard she had, like, breathing problems or something like that. And that's where, like, the sleep apnea.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I don't believe the breathing problems. I think the mom was causing that. But the eye for sure. Something, you know, that she was born.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

With a lazy eye.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And, you know, I feel like in the 90s, too, there also wasn't a whole lot of testing, like, you're saying procedures and things like that. So at that time, she could have almost made up wherever. And especially since you hear so often, she definitely doctor shopped. And it even says it in here. Like, what? We were just discussing that. If she didn't get her answer from one doctor, it did not stop her. She was going to walk in clinics, she was going to different doctors and different special specialists in different hospitals. And back then, we didn't have the technology we have now. Exactly.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Everyone talk to each other.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. So you could have just shopped anyone.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

In this time and that. Because people back in the day, whenever I used to pop pills, they would doctor shop to get multiple pills before long. Dude, I used to make so much money selling lore tabs, dude. I'd go to one doctor, get a script for, like, 120, go to another doctor, and I would sell them for four or five dollars a pill.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Wow.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Sometimes six dollars a pill.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's crazy.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

This is nuts. That was back in the old days.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Where did you leave off? The second page.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Okay.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

After Hurricane Katrina devastated the area in August 2005, Dee Dee and Gypsy left their ruined apartment for a shelter in Covington set up for people with special needs. Dee Dee said Gypsy's Medical records, including her birth certificate, had been destroyed in the flooding. Convenient. A doctor there from the Ozark suggested they relocate her to Missouri. And the next month they were airlifted there. That's where I was born.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So they're skipping ahead a lot in this article right here. So her dad was trying really hard to be a part of her life, and her dad had already remarried. And I love her stepmom. Her stepmom's a dope. You can just tell in her demeanor, the way she carries herself. Like, love everything about her. I would just like, okay, you know, like, this is a good woman. And she, the lady, her stepmother was talking like, hey, we have tried to have a relationship with her.

[Bunny]

We.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

During this time, Dee Dee had taken Gypsy and completely hidden her for they didn't know where. They thought they died in the Hurricane Katrina.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Did the dad get with this stepmom shortly after?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Since I think since she was five months old or something like that.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Gotcha. So immediately he pretty much divorced her.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And goes and is with the same person.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And she's a good looking woman.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

You can tell.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Because it was so crazy because I was like, he's good looking. I was like, that's her dad. Because I didn't expect that. And I was like, not that I think he's hot or anything, but I was just like, for Dee Dee, like, it just was a mismatched pair.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And then I saw the stepmom and I was like, okay, that'll do it. You know, like, that makes sense. Yeah, like that. That's more his speed. So, yeah, they were trying to do that. And then this is the time when her mom started discovering that she could get, like, money and stuff for being sick. And then that's how she had them airlifted. Was this whole, like, charity.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. So they're saying that she's special needs at this point. So, like, at this.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Is this turning, saying she has cancer?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Have they already gone to cancer? I feel like we're on, like, the verge of cancer.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, this is. Yeah, this is right where she's saying she has cancer. Her head was already shaved, so I'm. I think she was already telling people she had. Had leukemia is what she was telling people. But yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah. She regularly shaved her head.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

At first, Deedee and Gypsy lived in a rented home in Aurora in southwestern Missouri. During their time there, Gypsy was honored by the Olay foundation, which advocates for the rights of feeding tube recipients. This made me so sick to my stomach when I saw it.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. Oh, it's Awful.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. Just so crazy as it 2007 Child of the Year. In 2008, Habitat for Humanity built them a small home with a wheelchair ramp and hot tub as part of the larger product project. Sorry. As part of a larger project on the north side of Springfield to the east. And the two move there. The story of a single mother with a severely disabled daughter forced to flee Katrina's devastation received considerable local media attention, and the community often pitched in to help the woman who now went by Claudine Blancharde, or however they. I forgot how they pronounced it. It was like Blanchard or something. She had changed her name. Dee Dee had changed her name, and whom they knew is Dee Dee. So, yeah, this time she's already telling people that she.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

This is now her, like, fresh start.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

No.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

You know, there's like, no social media, but pre Katrina. So Katrina is like, her turning point and blotch hard, you know, starting fresh. So no one's gonna question her daughter.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

No.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

At all.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Especially if you're regularly. Regularly shaving her head.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

You're not gonna be like, oh, that's fake.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And, you know, I knew her teeth were coming out. She had her saliva glands removed. Did you know that? Had her own daughter's saliva glands removed.

[Bunny]

So.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Which made me think, like, can she, like, does her mouth. I was going to.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I knew you were going that direction.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I was going to, but I switched because I didn't want to be disrespectful. But I. I. Does her mouth get moist is the question. Because if her salivary glands are gone, how does she wet her whistle?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. You know, I mean, eating has to be an issue. Yeah, most definitely. I'm also wondering. And that in. You almost won't think that Gypsy believed it. If you're raised your entire life being told the sky is red, you have no idea it's blue. You know what I mean?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She didn't believe it because she even says it in the interview. She knew that she was okay because, like, when her mom wasn't around, she would eat with everybody else. She would go jump on trampolines.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

But that's what I want to know. At what point did she have that.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Like, every switch her entire life? She knew that she wasn't wrong. She said that.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I feel like maybe when she was younger, but I think maybe.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. I'm wondering Consciousness of it of, like, really young, young. She had no idea. But old, like, wild.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Like, probably, like, not toddler.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Like five. You start realizing, hey, Mom, I can get up and walk. Why am I in this wheelchair. But she said she did it to.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Just like, she wanted the love.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

The love from her mom. Yeah. Which makes me so sad because in these interviews, you can see that she wants to cry talking about her mom. And that's why I really actually love Gypsy now, because you can see how much remorse she has.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She still defends her mom a lot. Like, when asked about her mom in that interview that I watched, she still. Her mom's back in a lot of this, which, I mean that you have to be trauma bonded to someone like this for sure.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Soul tie of some sort.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Rough. If anybody wants to know, our food is not on the way. Just want to let you guys know that. But we do have a Uber Eats guy there. So many people who met Gypsy were charmed by her five foot height, nearly toothless mouth, large glasses, and high, childlike voice reinforced the perception that she had all the problems her mother claimed she did. Dee regularly shaved Gypsy's head to mimic the hairless appearance of a chemotherapy patient, allegedly telling Gypsy that since her medication would eventually cause her hair to fall out, it was best to shave it in advance. Gypsy often wore wigs or hats to cover her baldness. When they left the house, Dee took an oxygen tank and feeding tube with them. Gypsy was fed the children's liquid nutrition supplement pediature well into her twenties.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Bro, that can't be good for men. Like, it's very shocking that Gypsy is so well rounded and rounded and like, normal. Having the fact that you lived off.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Of pediatrics into your 20s, that's not that long.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Be healthy.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No. That's no wonder she wanted to kill her mom.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean, she felt.

[Bunny]

Why?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I saw. She said that her first day in prison, she was happy. She felt free. She said she walked out into the courtyard and was so happy because it was a breath of fresh air. Like, that's sad. You're in prison and your first thought is, holy, I'm free.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I honestly believe a lot of people commit crimes and stuff to go to prison. Yeah. Like, to be free. Like, like to get out of situations.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Abuse. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Wow.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I agree with that too, Dee.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Dee used physical abuse to control Gypsy. Oh, she was beating her, too.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Physical and emotional.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Always holding her hand in the presence of others. When Gypsy said something that suggested she was not genuinely sick or seemed beyond her purported mental capacity, Gypsy recalls that her mother would squeeze her hand very tightly when the two were alone. Dede struck her with an open hand or a coat hanger.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, he sounds like mommy dearest.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's wild.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Medical interventions continued. Dede had some of Gypsy's saliva glands treated with Botox, then extracted all together to control her purported drooling. Gypsy later claimed her mother induced boost drooling by using a topical anesthetic to numb her gums before doctor visits. The lack of salivary glands coupled with side effects of the anti seizure medication she was given, caused Gypsy's already few teeth to decay to the point that the majority of her front teeth were extracted and replaced by a bridge. Tubes were implanted in her ears to control her myriad purported ear infections.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

What? God.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Botox in your saliva glands?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Absolutely wild.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Ow.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And have those tubes implanted in her ears is crazy because as a child I suffered from severe earaches and they wanted to put tubes in my ears and my parents said no. But like to fake having severe ear infections, like how did she do that? She probably had to cause trauma to Gypsy's ears.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Well, I mean she, she's hitting her. I'm wondering if that like, or putting.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Something in there to make that she.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Had to have land.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, how sad.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, that's.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

And there's really stuff we don't even know about.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Like babies can. That could have been one of. It's hard to tell what's true or not because like my kids have multiple ear infections a year. You know, it could have been teething, it could have been like all these different things that could be causing that. That.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah, but how old was she here?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She really forced, forced those things. Like if I wanted to, my kid had two ear infections this past year. I could be like, put tubes in his ears. But like in reality, if there's no medical records being shared.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She could have literally gone to someone and be like, she's had five ear infections. Put tubes in.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And in reality it could have been like one. Right. That's so wild.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I couldn't imagine being this weird dude. Fernando Flasterstein, we saw him on these interviews, the interview last night, a pediatrician neurologist who saw Gypsy in Springfield became suspicious of her muscular dystrophy diagnosis. He ordered MRIs and blood tests which found no abnormalities. I don't see any reason why she doesn't walk, he told Dee Dee. On a follow up visit after seeing Gypsy stand and support her own weight, Plasterstein noted that Dee Dee was not a good historian. After contacting Gypsy's doctors in New Orleans, he learned that Gypsy's original muscle biopsy had come back negative, undermining Dee Dee's reported diagnosis of muscular dystrophy as well as her claim that all Gypsy's records had been destroyed by flooding. He suspected the possibility of Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Dee contrived to gain access to flasher signs notes and subsequently stopped taking Gypsy to see him. Dang, they were on to her.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

They were on to her brother.

[Bunny]

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[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I just don't understand like he said in the interview last night, because they were like, well if you suspected this, why did you not do anything about it? He said, you can't call CPS without having proof. And it's like how much more proof did you need?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

What other proof do you need? To literally be like, yo, she's had.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Multiple surgeries, her head is shaved, she's in a wheelchair, salivary glands removed teeth out of her head.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Like what the hell?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, like just she I I really feel like these doctors failed her.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

They dropped the ball wholeheartedly.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So bad. And for them to even go on the show and still defend their actions is crazy. Like somebody needs to be like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I didn't want to get involved.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yes.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Then I could respect it a lot more.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And like now if had this happen nowadays, they will call CPS literally in a heartbeat. Anything.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

People call CPS on people all the time.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah, it's crazy. Like you didn't have so like that's just really sad. I feel like the system failed Gypsy in this.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

No for sure.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Supporting DD to Social Services Social Services.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

He said other doctors had told him to treat the pair with golden gloves and doubted the authorities would believe him anyways. In 2009, an anonymous caller told the police about Dede's use use of different names and birth dates for herself and her daughter and suggested Gypsy was in better health than claimed. Officers who performed the Resolving Wellness check accepted Dede's explanation that she used the misinformation to make it Harder for her abusive ex husband to find her and Gypsy without talking to Rod and reported that Gypsy seemed genuinely mentally disabled. The file was closed.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Closed.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So those people also should say, sorry.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

They also failed here.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Everyone failed. Yeah.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

It reminds me of that one story. I forget who it was, but the kid, like, kept get going into the system, was getting beat by his parents.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Gabriel Hernandez.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Is that it?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah. That was so sad.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. And then the little boy they kept.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

They kept him locked in like a cabinet.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

What?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Why do you have kids to do this to them? I feel like the people who don't deserve children have.

[Bunny]

Have them.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yes.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

It's just crazy.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Let me add this.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Dee seems to have at least once forged a copy of Gypsy's birth certificate, changing her birth date to 1995 to claims that she was still a teenager. Gypsy said in a later interview that for 14 years, she was not sure of her real age.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

How sad. God.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

She sometimes also claimed that the original had been destroyed during the post Katrina flooding. Dee did keep another copy with Gypsy's real birthday. Gypsy recalls seeing it during one of their hospital visits and becoming confused. Dee Dee told her it was a misprint.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Since 2001, Gypsy had attended science fiction and fantasy conventions, sometimes in costumes, since she could blend in to their diverse and exclusive and inclusive communities in her wheelchair. At 2000, at a 2011 event, she made what may have been an escape attempt that ended when her mother found her in a hotel room with a man she had met online. Again, Dee Dee produced the paperwork given Gypsy's false younger birth date and threatened to inform the police. Gypsy recalls that afterward, Dee Dee smashed her computer with a hammer and threatened to do the same to her fingers if she ever tried to escape again. She also kept Gypsy leashed and handcuffed to her bed for two weeks. Dee Dee later told Gypsy that she had filed paperwork with the police claiming that Gypsy was mentally incompetent, competent, leading Gypsy to believe that if she attempted to go to the police for help, they would not believe her.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That sucks. But it also reminds me of, like, didn't she lie to Gypsy's dad about her age too?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. So it's like, she's no fun when the rabbits got the gun, right?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. That's so scary. Sometime around 2012. So, like, we're. Let me just, like, timeline this. So now we're in like, 2000.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Like, I was a junior in high school and this was going on, and I'm like, that's crazy.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Oh, that was 22.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Sometimes.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Wait, you were 22. When I was a junior in high school.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Let me think.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

No, no, 32. 32.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, 32. I don't even know.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I don't even know.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I was like, I know it's fun. To the two.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Gypsy, who continued to use the Internet after her mother had gone to bed to avoid her tightened supervision, made contact online with Nicholas Gojo. Gojan. Gojan, a man around her age from Big Bend, Wisconsin, whom she said she had met on a Christian singles website. Christian Mingle. Oh. He had a criminal record for indecent exposure in a history of mental illness sometimes reported as dissociative identity disorder. He had also been autistic.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So we're gonna hop back into this. In 2014, Gypsy confided to 23 year old neighbor Aaliyah Woodman. See who, unaware that Gypsy was closer to her own age, considered herself a big sister. She confided that she and go to John. How do I pronounce that? Gojan. That she and Gojan had discussed eloping and Eve had even chosen names for potential children. Gypsy, who had five separate Facebook accounts and Gojin flirted online. Their exchange is sometimes using BDSM elements, which Gypsy has since claimed was more what he was interested in. Woodman c tried to talk her out of it. Still thinking Gypsy was too young, possibly being taken advantage of by a sexual predator. She considered Gypsy's plans just fantasies and dreams, and nothing like this would ever really take place. Despite De's efforts to prevent her from using the Internet, which went on as far as destroying her daughter's phone and laptop, Gypsy maintained contact with Woodmancy, who saved printouts of her posts until 2014.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Whoa.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

That's crazy.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So in 2014, we've already got like super smartphones.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

You know, there's FaceTime even at this point. Like you're fully technolog, technologically aware.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

But here's the thing. She's 24. Like, she's about to start bucking, you know, like, she's like, I'm ready to rock. I want to get the out of here. I want to have kids with this dude. Like, poor baby had to have like an online fantasy life.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Imagine what he. He told her. I would love to see the transcripts between them, but imagine what he's like opening her eyes to that she had no idea about.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And then not only that, your first sexual, like, encounters with this person is to talk, like in a BDSM way. Like, she doesn't know. That's good, it's normal or something insane. The next Year Gypsy arranged and also paid for Godman to meet her mother in law in Springfield. Her plan was for him to just casually bump into her while she and Dee were at the movie theater, both of them in costume, and apparently strike up a relationship that way. And then later for her to introduce him to her mother. As soon as they did meet in person for the first time, he said Gypsy led him to the bathroom where the two of them had sex.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So she obviously wasn't a virgin, which would corroborate her stories about her grandfather. Unless there was some other dick she got somewhere along the line.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

What do you mean she wasn't a virgin?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

If she's just taking this dude in the bathroom and they're banging and she's a virgin, like, I seriously doubt that.

[Bunny]

That's.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, that's why we need Gypsy. On the podcast.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Come on on, they said that the two had continued their Internet interactions and began developing their plan to off de.

[Bunny]

Murder.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Murder.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Goan returned to Springfield in June of 2015, arriving while Gypsy and her mother were away at a doctor's appointment. After they had returned home, Indeedee had gone to sleep. He went to the the Blanchard house. Gypsy let him in and allegedly gave him duct tape, gloves, and a knife with the understanding that he would use it to murder Dee Dee.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

He's kind of on the spectrum, isn't he?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Or not. He's autistic.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, he is.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So I almost feel like. Do you guys feel like this? Because I kind of feel like she may have manipulated him into getting her out of the situation she was with her knowing that she kind of had that control over him.

[Bunny]

She.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She's smart, you guys.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

You know, and she has proven that time and time again. This Gypsy is really smart. And to me, I feel like maybe she was like, this is my ticket out.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Maybe. I feel like maybe she told him everything and he maybe was like, you gotta kill her.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Like, the only way out is to kill her.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah. Because I feel like because she loved her so much, she might not have come up with the idea.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean. Yeah, that is true. I will take that into consideration because she did.

[Bunny]

Still.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Still to this day. So, like, if she. Yeah, she does, like, withhold, like a standing with her.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I mean, we'll probably never know.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

No, truly, of course not.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

But I feel like it might have been him because he knew that she. The mom or that Dee Dee was probably going to get in the way of their relationship.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

True.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So, yeah, I don't know. I think that maybe even if she did, you know, manipulate him? I think it just came naturally to her because you can't deny DNA, you know, so she has a part of her mom in her. And I'm sure she is very good at manipulating. You know, it just matters if she's able to recognize that now.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

True.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Like, you know, without even trying, without even being conscious that she's doing it. Because that's so ingrained in her. Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Which maybe her mom also had. No. Like, was the same way.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

It goes back to whatever happened to Dee Dee when she was younger.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And her grandpa or her dad doesn't seem like a stand up.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

So what I want to know his childhood too.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

You know, I feel like you preach this often, Bunny, and it's very interesting to me because I never thought of it in this way is like our parents are literally, like, surviving with trauma. They never healed. Yeah. And it was our responsibility to then heal. Yeah. Break that. Be the cycle breakers and this. And you see so often where those cycles are not broken. And I feel like this is a perfect example of that. That it took until Gypsy to be that. That cycle breaker. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, I understand that Gypsy hid in the bathroom and covered her ears so that she would not have to hear her mother screaming. Nicholas then stabbed Dee Dee 17 times in her back while she was asleep. That's overkill. That's somebody who hates you.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That is rage killing.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. Afterward, the two had sex in Gypsy's room and took $4,000 in cash that Dee Dee had been keeping in the house, mostly from Rod's child support checks. They fled to a motel outside of Springfield, where they stayed a few days while planning their next move. During that time, they were seen on security cameras at several stores. Gypsy said at the point. Gypsy said at that point she believed the two had gotten away with her crime.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

They mailed the murder weapon back to Nicholas's home in Wisconsin to avoid being caught with it.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Why not throw it in the river?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Worst way to get rid of. Just gonna, like, time stamp myself.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

God.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And then took a bus there. Several witnesses who saw the pair on their way to the Greyhound station noted that Gypsy wore a blonde wig and walked unassisted.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Isn't it crazy that Gypsy's mom, Dee, was accused or suspected of killing her mom and Gypsy did the same thing?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Manifestation.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

She went through with it, though.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah, but. No, but she did.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, yeah. Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean, Nicholas technically did it. She just happened to be a little bit smarter to not do it herself.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

You know, Dee Dee wasn't there. Dee Dee wasn't able to, like, do.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

We know for sure that she didn't?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

The only thing that makes me question the entire thing is her having sex with him right after the mom was murdered. Like, that's kind of like.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

But again, I feel like we're in this spot of which she was not. She didn't know any different. So, like, in reality, he could have had that.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Like, I mean, wouldn't you be traumatized after knowing she was just stabbed in the same house 17 times? Like, you were so scared you had to cover your ears. But then you're not scared to where you can have sex in the next room.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. Celebration.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That doesn't.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, also it's like highly erotic to like, murder somebody.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And like, well, if he's into bdsm.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, it probably turns on.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So like, like he probably then in turn was like.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And they're into all that fantasy. She learned how to read from Harry Potter, you know, so it could have been like some like, weird spell, some weird thing. Seance.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Maybe they had sex with her blood all over her body.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I mean, you never know. You don't listen.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean, did he. But that's the thing though. He had to have been covered in blood. Did you go take shower after? He clearly probably didn't. So they probably did have sex in her blood because that's 17 times you guys. Like, imagine that mess. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

They boned in her blood. Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Like I said. Did they know for sure she didn't do anything?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I think that comes into the trial point of all of this is like, ow.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Where did. Where did you leave off?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Moving on, cuz this is a trial deep.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Wow.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

After seeing concerning Facebook statuses posted from De's account, the Blanchard's friends suspected something was amiss. When phone calls went unanswered, several friends and neighbors went to the house. While the friends and neighbors knew that the two often left on medical trips unannounced, they saw Dee's modified car still in the driveway, making an unannounced trip unlikely. Protective film on the windows made it hard to see inside in the low light. No one answered the door, so the friends called 91 1. When the police arrived, they had to wait for a search warrant to be issued before they could enter. But they allowed one of the neighbors present to climb through a window, where he saw that inside of the house was largely undisturbed and that Gypsy's wheelchairs were all still present.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I wanna. I'm Googling Gypsy's Facebook post because what did she post that was alarming.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, no.

[Bunny]

Dee Dee.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Dee Dee. She posted.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

They were from Dee Dee. From Dee Dee Dee Dee's Facebook.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Saying what?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Because remember, she doesn't have a public Facebook at this point.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

But I wonder what they were saying for people to think that. When the warrant was issued, police entered the house and found Deedee's body. A GoFundMe account was set up to pay for her funeral expenses and possibly gypsies all who knew the Blanchards feared the worst. Even if Gypsy had not been harmed, they believed she would be helpless without her wheelchair, medications and support equipment like the oxygen chamber tanks and feeding tube.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

So to answer you guys question, the posts that were on Deedee's Facebook were the is dead.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, that. That'll do it.

[Bunny]

Okay.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

But that's still up, right? Has anyone. Okay, so like when all this, like when we were talking about Gypsy and like she got convicted and stuff, I went on a deep dive onto Facebook and I'm almost positive it stayed up for a good amount of time before it was deleted it and that you could go on to Deedee's.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Let me see.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Because I did go on to Dee Dee's Facebook. I don't get through it.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Did you want to be caught then?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

That's what I'm saying. But do you think it was feel like she might have had just a tiny bit more to do with this than what she's letting or. Because how she would had to have given him access to her mom's Facebook.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

True.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

You know, and to know that he's posting that, like they're laughing, laughing about it, you know. Well, I'm just like, like where is her mind mentally? Is she celebrating? Like, I, I know Gypsy. Everybody loves Gypsy right now. And this is not me knocking her at all. And I know that she portrays to be this really sweet girl, but her actions after her mom died does show somebody that has either just went completely AWOL and batshit crazy because she's been abused for so long or very manipulative and. And cunning almost.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I almost feel though. I mean, none of us have ever been in this situation, but had someone pulled my teeth out, shaved my head, starved me, put a feeding down me. Okay, I'd stab a too.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah, well, it makes you think though, because like, why not post it from her Facebook account? So I feel like maybe she wanted to disappear. So maybe if she put the dead, people would think Dee Dee killed her or did something to her and so she was like gone so she could live. Like gotcha under the radar, gotcha because.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She got away with it. Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

So I don't think she thought that's.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Why she was wearing the blonde wigs, knowing damn well she's very noticeable.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I feel like she wasn't smart enough to maybe think it all the way.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Makes more sense because I'm sitting here trying to like, rash.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Because I feel like they wouldn't tell on themselves if they were, like, thinking they got away with it. Because you wouldn't get away with it saying that. No.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

No.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

So if they post that from her accountant, maybe looks like she killed her daughter.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Also, on the flip side, when you're in an abusive relationship, and I've said this numerous times on the podcast, you get to a point where you're like, if you touch me one more time, I'm going to kill you.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

When I was in my abusive relationship, I literally told him I bought him, I bought a gun. And that if he ever touched me again, I was gonna blow his head off. And I meant it.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

You know, like I was gonna.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

20 years into this. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. So she might have just, you know, had a. What do they call it? A split where you just.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That's why I'm like, did she really stay in the bathroom or did she help?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean, we'll never know. If anyone did this to me, I will tell you wholeheartedly. I would have probably done that in worse.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

For sure. They should have just burned the whole house down.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Interesting.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Woodman C. Who was among those gathered on the Blanchards lawn, told police that she knew about Gypsy and her secret boyfriend. She showed them the printouts she had saved which included his name. Based on that information, police asked Facebook to trace the IP address from which the post to Dee's account had been made. Made, it turned out to be in Wisconsin. And the next day, police agencies in Waukesha county raided the Gojohn's Big Bend home. Gojo and Gypsy surrendered and were taken into custody on charges of murder and felony armed criminal action.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So it is hard to tell who posted.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Why was the neighbor saving all of this?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Because she knew it was wrong.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean, she.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

It says it's doing it to help. Help Gypsy in case anything happened with Dee Dee.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Because she said that he was a predator.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

And she thought that. Yeah. And she thought that Gypsy was underage. Okay.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. The news that Gypsy was safe was greeted with relief in Springfield, where she and Nicholas were soon extradited and held on a one million dollar bond. But in announcing the news, Green county sheriff Jim warned things were not always what they appear year. The media in Springfield soon reported the truth of the the Blanchards lives that Gypsy had never been sick and had always been able to walk and her mother had made her pretend otherwise, using physical abuse to control her.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

After the disclosure of how Dee Dee had treated Gypsy, sympathy for her as the victim of a violent murder rapidly shifted to her daughter as a long term victim victim of child abuse. While the charge of first degree murder can carry the death penalty under Missouri law or life without parole, county prosecutor Dan Patterson announced he would not seek it for either Gypsy or Nicholas, calling the case extraordinary and unusual. After her attorney obtained her medical records from Louisiana, he secured a plea bargain to second degree murder for Gypsy. Gypsy was so under nourished up to this point, during the year she was in the county jail, her lawyer told Buzzfeed that she had gained 14 pounds, in contrast to most of his clients who typically lose weight in that situation. In July of 2016, she accepted the plea bargain and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Nicholas still faced the more severe charge because prosecutors contended that he initiated the murder plot and he and Gypsy agree that he was the one who killed Dee Dee. He was also more severely prosecuted due to different personal circumstances. Nicholas was granted less sympathy and understanding due to a lack of involvement in the abuse. Gypsy's plea bargain agreement did not require her to testify against him. In January of 2017, his trial was postponed when prosecutors requested a second psychiatric exam. His lawyers contend that he has an intelligence quotient agent of 82 and is on the autism spectrum, suggesting that he has diminished capacity. He initially waived his right to a trial by jury, but changed his mind in June of that year.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Bro. There had to have been some kind of evidence that proved the fact that he's the one that initiated this murder. If that's, if they're saying in court that that's how he was charged with this, that convinced her to murder her mother.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, I don't know. I think maybe that or he took the rap for her because he figured they were going to be like in love and get through this. So she's like, I'm going to take immunity and do a plea bargain and testify or snitch on you allegedly and you take the, the fall for this. But we're going to still be together. You know, like that's just me throwing ideas out there.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I don't know.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I feel like he deadass convinced her to. I mean, there had to have Been some type of records. I would love to see the court, like the court documents on this case of the fact that like, their conversations had to have been saved somewhere documented.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Unless they like, did over the.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Because they were talking on Facebook.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah. You know what I mean? You can easily get that.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So. And she destroyed her smartphone. So they weren't texting or anything like that. Like your conversations were being had on a computer. So there has to be proof that, really solid proof that this was his idea that he chose to like, seek out this plan.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

In December 2017, the judge set Goan's trial for November 2018 and their opening statement. Prosecutors alleged that Goan had deliberated for over a year before the crime, while his lawyers pointed to his autism and said that Gypsy had formulated the crime and their love struck client had just done as she had asked. The next day, prosecutors showed jurors the text messages, sometimes sexually explicit, that Gypsy and Gojohn shared in the week before the murder, often using various Personas as well as the knife he had used to commit the murder. And some of the text. He asked her for details about Dede's room and sleep. Sleeping habits. These were supplemented by video of his interview with police after his arrest where he had admitted to killing her.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That makes me feel a little different.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Because like this, if the. If they're. If his attorney is like really trying to make sure that they understood that this was Gypsy and he just played out her fancy fantasy, then there's a possibility this was her idea.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I don't think we'll ever truly.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

So wish wash. Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

For sure.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yet Gypsy testified on the trial's third day. She said that while she had indeed suggested to Nicholas that he killed Dee Dee to end her mother's abuse, she also considered getting pregnant by him in hopes that once she was carrying Nicholas's child, Dee was. Would have to accept him. Along with the knife that she gave to Nicholas, she stole baby clothes from Walmart during a shopping trip. So she could go ahead and plan either. However, she said Nicholas never told her what he thought about the pregnancy plan.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Just like her mom. Her mom was stealing too? Yeah, bro.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

It's a lot of characters.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

So did she really. Did she really end the cycle? I don't. I don't know.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, she's been in. You have to understand, she's also been in prison too, so she's probably done a lot of self help stuff.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

She's.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She said she did get therapy while she was in prison. Not as much as she wanted, but you know. Yeah, some so may. I mean, only time will tell.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I was gonna say we will only tell when she has a kid.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, that.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

We discussed that so much too. Yeah, go ahead.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

No, you're good. I was gonna say that. Or just as time goes on by her actual actions. Yeah, you'll see. It gets. It's very easy to get tripped up and, you know, things you say online.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

World of social media. And she is so involved in social media right now.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

After four days, the case was sent to the jury. Jurors had the option of finding Nicholas guilty of one of three murder charges, involuntary manslaughter, second degree or first degree murder, or not guilty of any of them. After approximately two hours deliberation, they returned with a verdict. Verdict. And Nicholas was found guilty of first degree murder and armed criminal action. In February 2019, he was sentenced to life in prison for the murder conviction, the only possible option since prosecutors had declined to seek the death penalty. Nicholas asked judge David Jones for leniency on the armed criminal action charge, which carries a minimum sentence of only three years, saying that he had fallen blindly in love with gypsies. He received a sentence of 25 years on that charge, which is concurrent with the life sentence.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Jones also denied a motion by Gojohn's lawyer, Dwayne Perry, for a new trial. Perry argued that the jury should not have been allowed to hear that Gojohn had considered raping Dede on the night of the murder, and also argued that the state psychologist should not have been allowed to testify while Gojohn psychologist should have to establish that he had diminished capacity. And denying the motion, Jones conceded that an appeals court could find the latter point significant and consider it a reversible error.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

You were gonna do what, though?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That wasn't their first time having sex though, right?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Raping his deity? Oh, yeah. He said, I was thinking that's gross.

[Bunny]

Ew.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I mean, so he's obviously.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Do you think that he's a few grapes?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I feel like he would have done it after.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's what I feel like.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I feel like. Do you think he did. Oh, he.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I feel like Dee Dee put up a. Would put up a fight if she was alive.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I mean, she.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Do, I think.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Huh? Do you think that he fondled or did something after he murdered her?

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, I mean, Gypsy wasn't in the room, so I don't think.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And he's.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I feel like maybe he started and maybe stopped himself, and that's why.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's why they ended up in Gypsy's room.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Did I just Solve the case.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I don't know. That's gross, man.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's disgusting.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

You hate somebody that much, but you want to them. Like, that's so weird.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That's just.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's weird.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Do a deep dive on his childhood.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah, literally, really weird.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, Gypsy Rose, man, she did express, like we had talked about before, that she feels like I am more free in prison than living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live a normal live to. I am allowed to just live like a normal woman, she says. In 2018, Gypsy served her sentence in Missouri's Correctional center and did not talk to the media until after she had made her plea. When she did, she told buzzfeed reporter Michelle Dean that she had been able to research Munchauser syndrome by proxy, also known facetious disorder imposed on another on prison computers. And her mom had every symptom. I think she would have been the perfect mom for someone that was actually sick, she said. She believed DeeDee's claim that she had cancer, even though she knew that she could walk and eat solid food, leading her to ascend to the regular head shavings. She always hoped that doctors would see through the ruse, and she was frustrated that none besides Last Turn Stain did.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I feel like she probably wanted to tell the doctors, I'm wondering how my.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Life at home would be hell if.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

She that's why I said she also scared.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

She also mentioned how often when they were in public that Dee Dee would just hold her hand.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah, she said like if she tried to say something, she would squeeze it.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that just tells me she probably never left her side in public.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

When Dean asked her what made her want to escape her situation, gypsy recalled the 2011 incident at the science fiction convention, which made her wonder why she was not allowed to have friends like others her age. While she said that Nicholas took their idle discussions of murder into reality, she accepts that she committed a crime and has to live with the consequences. Nonetheless, she has said that she hopes hopes to help other abused victims.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Victims of Munchausen by proxy abuse often avoid doctors and hospitals in their later lives because of lingering trust issues. According to her family, Dean and Aaron Lee Carr, a documentarian, Gypsy also exhibits at times the same sociopathic, manipulative behaviors as her mother, who was for much of her life her only role model. She is already psychologically really compromised and she's going to need as much family and underpinning and support as she can get, friedman told Vulture. After viewing Carr's documentary Mommy Dead and Dearest in which he appears. He also points out that the post traumatic stress disorder is likely to be an issue in her continuing development. I hope they find someone, wherever she chooses to settle, who is willing to provide support of psychotherapy. And then, of course, on September 29, 2023, the Missouri Department of Corrections confirmed that Gypsy had been granted parole. And she was released on December 28, 2023, after serving 85% of her sentence per state law.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

In June 27, 2022, she married Ryan Scott Anderson. I want to know how she met him. Online.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Okay, I'll tell you. All right. I love this part. Wait. So Ryan had a bet with a friend at work that the friend at work was going to write another, like, popular inmate. And he said, well, if you write that person, I'll write Gypsy Rose.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

So he already knew her.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

He was already fascinated with her prior. He had already done his research about her. He was a teacher, special. He's now he is a teacher. But he did, prior to that work with children of special needs. So her case, like, sparked interest within him because he was already working within the special needs. And then in turn, he now is a teacher. But they developed a relationship after that. She was talking to other people. She has been previously engaged prior to him.

[Bunny]

Him.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yes, she was previously engaged prior to Ryan, and that didn't work out. And when she met Ryan, it took a little bit, but then they began talking a little more frequently. And she really liked the way that they talked. And then after a little while, he went and met her and their relationship started from there.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

She said she liked him because he is from Louisiana.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

What?

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. This is weird.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That's it.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

That's it.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

It's the only reason.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, I am good dick. We know that.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Oh, God.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. I don't want to. Each their own.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Makes me feel uncomfy. I didn't know that. He's not that much older than her. He does appear to look older. I can't.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Somebody said he looks like her mom.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

He does.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Have you seen the side by side? There is very close. Those similarities of him and her mom.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, you gotta understand, that girl's been through some. She's not gonna have normal. I'm. And this is not me being rude. I'm just saying, like, because of all the she's been through. I know she's used to always being with somebody because she was strapped to her mom for so long, but now that she has freedom and like, you know, can move about the cabin as a free woman, I don't know if she's gonna want to be locked down in a marriage.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Marriage.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

It was very surprising that she chose something like that so quickly.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And didn't even get to come out and experience real life and just live.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Go be one of the girls.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Without being. Yeah. Without already being so locked down.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, maybe she's just so used to being manipulated that he could have maybe done the same thing to her. So she's just like. That's all she knows, kind of.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I feel like he doesn't talk a lot, so I think that's a good thing.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

I have. I watched them in part of the interview. It's very, very short. She seems very obsessed with him.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

You know, I'm watching this, like, mid interview. She just reaches over and, like, kisses on him and stuff. And she. She hasn't found her new obsession. And, you know, seeing how her mom was and her mom's obsession with things doesn't surprise me. And even the psychologist saying, like, she does show similar behaviors as her mom. Who knows?

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I guess we'll just have to watch.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Well, I really enjoyed this deep dive, you know, whatever it is. Gypsy, live your life, baby.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Go start.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Only fans.

[Bunny]

I'm ready.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I was gonna leave that wide open. I was gonna leave that as a comment under her thing, but I didn't want to get attacked. I was gonna be like, gypsy, we need the of pronto. Let's go. She'll make so much money. She'll be like.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

She would probably be set for life.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah. She'd probably make 50 million.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Easily.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Because people are obsessed with her right now. She can't even make one video on Tick Tock without getting, like, 50 million views.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Oh, the likes. On her first selfie that she put 5 million 6.5.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

I don't think anybody's ever got that many likes on. There's no way even the, like, Kylie Jenner, any of them. I don't think any of them have gotten likes that high.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

And I don't know why. I always thought she was in jail for much longer than she actually was, But, I mean, she's been in there since 2016. Yeah.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

That's actually not that long, if you think about it.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

That's only seven years.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. That's kind of wild.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Well, she got granted early.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah. Early, of course. But, I mean, she. She went in when things weren't. I mean, would you miss Covid?

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Still, she did miss a lot, though. I mean. Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

From 2016 to 2020.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

But, I mean, they have tablets and stuff in jail. I don't feel like she missed that much. Yeah, they're very connected with the world. It's not like it used to be, where it's like, you're literally.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I find Tik tok. Lives of guys in prison all time.

[Guest 2 (possibly Jay or another co-host)]

Those are my favorite lives.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

I already know when it looks like someone's recording with a calculator, I'm like, they're in prison.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Yeah.

[Guest 1 (possibly Mimi)]

Yeah.

[Host (likely the main Dumb Blonde podcast host)]

Nokia with a calculator. Well, I love you guys. Thanks for going down this wormhole with the deep dive. Yeah, I love that. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.

[Bunny]

Sa. Sam.