TBT: Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey

Summary

Podcast Summary: Dumb Blonde – Episode TBT: Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey

Release Date: June 12, 2025

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Introduction

In this heartfelt episode of the Dumb Blonde podcast, host Bonnie from Dumb Blonde Productions welcomes Heidi Lavon, the renowned TikTok Cosplay Queen, and James Ramsey, a resilient veteran and model. The trio delves deep into their personal journeys, challenges, and the strength they've found in each other, offering listeners an authentic glimpse into their lives.

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Guest Backgrounds

Heidi Lavon shares her unique upbringing, moving between Arizona and Alaska before settling in Oregon. Her early life was marked by constant relocations, leading her to develop a strong sense of independence and adaptability.

[05:03] Heidi: "I grew up in Fairbanks, Alaska. So I was born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, moved back and forth from Alaska to Arizona, and then I ended up in Oregon."

James Ramsey provides insight into his formative years in Oregon, his enlistment in the Army in 2000, and his deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. His military service instilled discipline, but his journey took a dramatic turn after leaving the service.

[08:03] James: "I grew up in Oregon pretty much my whole life. I enlisted in the army in 2000, served for six years, deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan."

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Facing Personal Struggles

Both Heidi and James openly discuss their battles with addiction. Heidi reveals her struggle began at the tender age of 12, influenced by her environment in Fairbanks, Alaska.

[12:05] Heidi: "I was 12. Wow. So, yeah, in Fairbanks, Alaska, it's dark, it's desolate. There's nothing to do."

James shares his challenges post-military service, including a severe motorcycle accident that resulted in the loss of his leg.

[08:21] James: "No, no, no. No apologies. This is... I was... I lost my leg the day after I got out in a motorcycle accident."

Their candid conversations highlight the depths of their struggles and the pivotal moments that led them to seek recovery.

[19:31] James: "I'm glad that my brother was real supportive, my mom was real supportive. My grandparents, everybody was real supportive of me in my recovery."

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Overcoming Adversity

Heidi attributes her sobriety to her unwavering familial support and personal determination. She emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and the power to change.

[17:29] Heidi: "It's like, once you make your mind up, it's that's that. And nothing will stop you."

James echoes this sentiment, discussing his proactive approach to avoiding addiction post-accident by relying on his support system.

[25:58] James: "I'm glad that my brother was real supportive, my mom was real supportive. My grandparents, everybody was real supportive of me in my recovery."

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Meeting and Building a Relationship

The story of how Heidi and James met is both serendipitous and romantic. James was tagged in a Facebook post by photographer Michael Stokes, leading to a photo shoot that sparked an immediate connection.

[37:32] Heidi: "It was 100% lust at first sight. 100. 100."

Their relationship blossomed quickly, overcoming initial nerves and personal differences to form a strong, supportive partnership.

[43:08] Heidi: "We never left each other. I admit that."

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Journey in Modeling and Social Media

Heidi's ascent in the modeling world was significantly boosted by her strategic use of social media platforms like TikTok. Their collaborative efforts in managing content and photography allowed them to maintain creative control and build a substantial online presence.

[49:03] James: "We just bought a camera and we started doing our own photography."

Heidi emphasizes the importance of building their brand independently, avoiding traditional agencies to retain full ownership of their content.

[48:57] Heidi: "You have to own all your content. I don't want to wait for my content to come back. I want my content in my own hands."

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Achievements and Future Plans

Together, Heidi and James have built a successful empire, marked by their TikTok fame, OnlyFans presence, and upcoming ventures like merchandise and potential Airbnb investments. Their shared goals and mutual support have been instrumental in their continuous growth.

[60:07] James: "We're actually talking about getting some Airbnbs or something. You know, branching out a little bit more."

Heidi expresses immense gratitude towards their followers, acknowledging the community's role in their success.

[55:27] Heidi: "Support is everything. I wouldn't be here without you."

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Maintaining Balance and Looking Ahead

Despite their busy schedules, Heidi and James prioritize their relationship, ensuring they grow together and support each other's individual aspirations. They discuss their plans to expand their business ventures while maintaining their personal connection.

[62:38] Heidi: "We've crushed all these goals, and... it's amazing."

[64:18] James: "It's been a hell of a ride, but I'm excited for the next 10, and the 10 after that."

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Conclusion

This episode of Dumb Blonde offers an inspiring narrative of resilience, love, and success. Heidi Lavon and James Ramsey's stories highlight the power of support systems, personal determination, and strategic collaboration in overcoming life's challenges and achieving dreams. Their journey serves as a testament to embracing one's past, growing through adversity, and building a legacy together.

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Notable Quotes

• "[12:05] Heidi: 'I was 12. Wow. So, yeah, in Fairbanks, Alaska, it's dark, it's desolate. There's nothing to do.'"

• "[17:29] Heidi: 'It's like, once you make your mind up, it's that's that. And nothing will stop you.'"

• "[37:32] Heidi: 'It was 100% lust at first sight. 100. 100.'"

• "[49:03] James: 'We just bought a camera and we started doing our own photography.'"

• "[55:27] Heidi: 'Support is everything. I wouldn't be here without you.'"

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Follow Heidi and James

• Heidi Lavon:

  • Instagram/OnlyFans: @HeidiLavon
  • Website: HeidiLavon.com
  • Merchandise: HeidiLavonMerch.com

• James Ramsey:

  • Instagram: @James_M_Ramsey
  • Website: JamesRamsey.com

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Stay tuned for more engaging conversations and real-life stories on the next episode of Dumb Blonde.

Transcript

[Bonnie]

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[James]

Sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb Blonde.

[Bonnie]

Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and. And I was like, I want to be super hot, make a lot of money, and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as. Here we are. What's up, you sexy? Yay. Welcome to another episode of Don Blonde. Today we have Tick Tock's cosplay queen, Heidi. How do I pronounce your last name? Is it Lavon or Lavon?

[Heidi]

Yeah, Lavon works. Yeah. A lot of. Some people will be like, Levon.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

I'm like, that's fancy.

[Bonnie]

I don't want to mispronounce it. So is it. It's Heidi. Lavon.

[Heidi]

Heidi. Lavon.

[Bonnie]

Heidi. Lavon and James Ramsey. What's up? I'm so happy to have you guys here. I know.

[Heidi]

It's been so long, man. I feel like. I feel like we've been talking forever, dude.

[Bonnie]

Well, so I've been following you on Instagram for years. I mean, like, we've all. We all. All of us. IG thoughts have migrated over to TikTok and we've kind of taken it over, though. We have.

[Heidi]

We have. We figured out a way. We figured out a way. You know what I mean?

[Bonnie]

We're like roaches. We just get in the cracks and figure out how to make it work and multiply.

[James]

There's one. There's a bunch of them.

[Heidi]

We team up. We team up. There's a way to do it on Tick Tock, you know?

[Bonnie]

Absolutely. And some girls can figure it out and some girls can't. The transition's been kind of hard, but I'm happy to see you thriving.

[Heidi]

I've tried to explain same for you. You've. You're just. Dude, we've been talking for a while and they're just like. I just love seeing the. From then till now is just. There's. There's a lot happening. It's happening really fast. No, especially for you. I see it.

[Bonnie]

I appreciate it so much. So. Okay. There's so much about you guys and your story individually and together that I want to know. So let's just kind of like dive in. Okay. I want to start with you, and then we'll kind of bounce back and forth in between. So where did you grow up, Heidi?

[Heidi]

I grew up in Fairbanks, Alaska. So I was born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, moved back and forth from Alaska to Arizona, and then I ended up in Oregon, actually. Followed my best friends shout out to Noel. I followed my best friends I grew up with in Fairbanks, went to. Went to Salem, Oregon. Went to Portland, stayed there for probably about 13, 14 years. And during that time, I met James Names.

[Bonnie]

Oh. So I love that. It was like, we're gonna get. We're gonna get.

[Heidi]

We're gonna get it.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, we're gonna get to that. Is growing up in Salem as spooky as it sounds?

[Heidi]

Oh, I didn't know. Not Salem.

[Bonnie]

No. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Heidi]

No grubbing in Fairbanks.

[Bonnie]

Okay.

[Heidi]

Fairbanks a lot.

[Bonnie]

You said you migrated over to.

[Heidi]

I migrated over there. I followed my besties over there. And I was just there for probably, I don't know, like, six months. And I was like, okay, I can't be there. I actually, oddly enough, I mean, it's a long. A long story. But the long short is, see, born in Arizona, raised in Alaska, went to Arizona, went to. Back to Alaska, and then I met this guy on tour. This is like just a very random fact here. I met a guy, and then I moved to New York with him. And then from New York, we moved to Oregon.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

So there's that and sound like a.

[Bonnie]

Kind of like a wild child. What was your childhood like growing up very wild with your parents?

[Heidi]

Yeah, a very. I'm sorry. Still very close with my parents. Yeah. They're about to hit their 45th anniversary. They're still married. That's wild, right?

[Bonnie]

I love that.

[Heidi]

Most parents today just. They just aren't, bro.

[Bonnie]

Mine are. My dad's been married like eight times.

[Heidi]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

Eight times.

[Bonnie]

He's a ho bag.

[Heidi]

Lucky number eight. Yeah. Very close with my family. I have three older sisters. I'm the youngest of four. Definitely the black sheep. It sounds super cliche, but I mean, it's true.

[Bonnie]

It's real.

[Heidi]

You know what I mean? They're all. They're all very clean cut. Wonderful. Beautiful. I. We're just. We're very alike, but very different, Right? Very different.

[Bonnie]

How did that feel growing up to know that you were so different from your siblings?

[Heidi]

It was very accepting. They were very accepting. So I felt. I felt. I embraced it very easily.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

You know, I got into trouble quite a bit. I feel like as soon as my mom had the first. First of us girls and then got to the last of us, which was me, she was just like it a little bit. Like it.

[Bonnie]

You know, was it a strict. I feel like the youngest gets away with everything.

[Heidi]

We get away with everything. She. She set some rules, but I. Of course. Them. Yeah, of course. I feel like a lot of the rules are. I don't know, they're meant to be broken. They're definitely meant to be bent.

[Bonnie]

Absolutely.

[Heidi]

You know what I mean? We can get away with.

[Bonnie]

Yep. By nature, you're a Gemini, right?

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, for sure.

[Heidi]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Do. It's like, do I believe in Australia astrology? I don't really know, but I feel like some of the things I've read about it and have been told about it, I'm like, that just oddly makes sense. It just kind of.

[Bonnie]

No, it does. It's.

[Heidi]

You know what I mean?

[Bonnie]

It's a love language. I tell everybody astrology is a love language. You know, if you take the time to really get to know it, it's kind of like psychology. It's really crazy. But that's a whole nother podcast we'll get into. James, what about you? Where'd you grow up?

[James]

So I grew up in Oregon pretty much my whole life. I enlisted in the army in 2000, was served in the army for six years. Deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Bonnie]

Well, fucking happy Memorial Day.

[James]

Thank you. I appreciate it. God, but Memorial Day is to remember the soldiers that have fallen.

[Bonnie]

Oh, okay.

[James]

No, no, no. No apologies. This is.

[Bonnie]

I' I'm like, how dare you? I death wish over here.

[Heidi]

I admit I asked the same thing, but it's not because I didn't know. It's like I kind of didn't know. It's.

[Bonnie]

I didn't know. I thought it was for everybody.

[Heidi]

It feels like it. It feels like you. It wants to be for everyone.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, but I didn't know that. That's really good to know, to, like, let people know that Memorial Day is for the fallen soldiers. Never knew that.

[James]

Yeah. Enlisted in the army, was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I was deployed to Iraq in 03. And I deployed to Afghanistan in like 2005, something like that. I got out and lost my leg the day after I got out in a motorcycle accident.

[Heidi]

The day of.

[James]

The day of?

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[James]

Well, I was coming from Italy, so it was like the day after.

[Bonnie]

Okay. So much. So much here. So.

[James]

Skipped over a lot.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I'm like, wait a second. So let's rewind. Okay. So you grew up in Oregon?

[James]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

What was childhood like for you?

[James]

You know, my childhood was less than ideal for a lot of it. You know, like, you know, like, you know, bad father figures and stuff like that. And so for me, I just needed to get out from where I was at, you know, like, my mom is great, my grandparents amazing. Everybody's awesome. It's just that it didn't really. My mom didn't just choose, like, the best dudes sometimes.

[Bonnie]

Right.

[James]

And, you know, my mom wasn't even in a good spot then, so you can't really blame her for it because she's just doing the best she could, you know? But. Yeah. So I decided to enlist in the Army. I listed like a year before I could go in. I was like, I got it out two weeks after I graduated high school. I was in basic training. And then severe amount of homesickness. The second I get to basic training, I'm just like, what did I do? Stupid.

[Bonnie]

What is that? Like, coming straight out of high school, getting you pretty much your ass whooped every day.

[James]

An awakening, an eye opening experience.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

He said I couldn't make it. He said I couldn't get through.

[Bonnie]

I don't think I could make it. Thinking about it is exhausting.

[James]

Well, Heidi's be like, do you think I could do it?

[Heidi]

I was like, I could do it.

[James]

I mean, anybody can do it. You know, you just gotta want to do it.

[Heidi]

It's the tear gas thing that I ask about that all the time. I'm like, so people are just like crying and puking? Like, that's just what it is.

[James]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

So barbaric.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[James]

Well, you got to go through the CS chamber, right? And it's just like basically to show you what CS gas feels like and give you confidence in your pro mask.

[Heidi]

Oh, my God.

[James]

So put your pro mask on. They pop the CS canister in the building. You're like, oh, this ain't bad. And then you take the mask off and it's like immediate evacuation of everything in your sinuses. Your eyes just are water and you can't see anything. You're like trying to get out the Drill sergeants are just laughing.

[Bonnie]

You know, it's like, the way my anxiety is set up, there's no way I'd be like, just take me on a gurney right now. Take me out of here. So we're gonna get to your leg, but I want to circle back. Heidi, you growing up, you are very vocal about, like, your drug use and stuff like that. When did that start?

[Heidi]

Oh, yeah. Oh, at a very young age. And like, I'm gonna say it right now. I literally, I. It's like, I extremely. I'm extremely empathetic and feel and relate to people who are addicts. We are still add. We just chose something else to replace it with.

[Bonnie]

Absolutely.

[Heidi]

You know, you. Yeah. Work the hustle. Just bettering your life. I got. I got addicted to just a better, healthier lifestyle in general. It feels amazing. You never really think that you can get past that. When you're so deep in your addiction and using, you just. You just feel like you're drowning, right? You're drowning. You know what I mean?

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

And it was. It was everything. I've tried everything. I've done everything.

[Bonnie]

When did you start? How old were you?

[Heidi]

I was 12. Wow. So, yeah, in Fairbanks, Alaska, it's dark, it's desolate. There's nothing to do. I mean, it's literally nine months out of the year. It's. The sun comes up at like 10:30, maybe set to 2:15. Did you go to Fairbanks?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I think we went to Anchorage. Was it Anchorage? But it was dark as fuck there.

[Heidi]

Oh, yeah.

[Bonnie]

And I was like, how? It's like Twilight 24 7, and it's.

[Heidi]

Warmer in Anchorage than Fairbanks. And in Anchorage, it's like, like, you know, maybe like 10, maybe zero or so.

[Bonnie]

I've been to Fairbanks. They have the hot springs.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Okay. Yeah, I've been there too.

[Heidi]

Yeah, we've been there. I tell everybody. I'm like, if. If you can just make it past the cold, like the 30, 40 below and go in the winter time, it's magical.

[Bonnie]

Magical. So beautiful. I have video footage. It's so dope.

[Heidi]

I have to see that.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

Oh, but, yeah, there's so.

[Bonnie]

12 years old.

[Heidi]

12 years old. As you know. You know, you started smoking weed. That's just like the gateway thing.

[Bonnie]

And no, most. They don't start smoking weed at 12.

[Heidi]

Oh. No, they.

[Bonnie]

Oh, well, she's like, you know, just the gateway drug at 12.

[Heidi]

You know, I just felt like it was. I don't know. I feel like it was normal. Like it. And. And it's a Joke. It's a running joke for people in Alaska. Everything In Alaska is 10 years behind.

[Bonnie]

Wow.

[Heidi]

So I just felt like that was normal. I felt like every 12 year old was just smoking weed and just off and.

[Bonnie]

Right.

[Heidi]

You know, but they weren't. They were not actually.

[Bonnie]

In fact, was it friends that introduced you or older brother?

[Heidi]

Yeah, it was like. It was like friends with. Friends with like older sibling.

[Bonnie]

Okay.

[Heidi]

Like, you know. Yeah. Friends with older siblings. And that just like the. Seemed to thing. Seemed to be the thing to do. And then I. Man. Yeah. Yep. That.

[Bonnie]

So you started. You started smoking, started doing all of that. And then what happens after weed? Where. What do you.

[Heidi]

Oh, you know, it was like. It was like ecstasy and mushrooms and like all that kind of stuff. A drinking, obviously. There was like some weird little underaged dance club.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

I forgot what it was called. What was it?

[Bonnie]

I feel like Vegas had those too. It was like, what were we doing with those?

[Heidi]

Doing, man?

[Bonnie]

Like, how would they. How did they let us. Who ran those?

[Heidi]

Yeah. Who let us?

[Bonnie]

Pedophiles.

[Heidi]

Yeah. Yeah. I have no idea. It's funny though, some of those same friends that I like used to get in trouble with, I'm still best friends with them till this day.

[Bonnie]

Same.

[Heidi]

And. And we all like, flip.

[Bonnie]

Drugs bring people together.

[Heidi]

They do.

[Bonnie]

Okay.

[Heidi]

They do.

[James]

What is dedication?

[Bonnie]

The thing that drives me every day as a dad is Dariana. We call him day date for sure. Every day he's hungry for something, whether it's attention, affection, knowledge. And there's this huge responsibility in making that when he's no longer under my wing, that he's a good person. I want him to be able to sit back one day and go, we worked together. We did a good job. That's dedication.

[James]

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[Heidi]

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[James]

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[Heidi]

Of course they both of them got married and had kids and I was like, nah, I never want a kid. Never. I still don't. And I still feel like I'm a big kid. Yeah, that. I don't know if that will ever leave me. Yeah, I still think I'm 17.

[Bonnie]

So how deep did your addiction get? Just so that people.

[Heidi]

Pretty damn deep. Pretty deep.

[Bonnie]

I said I want to focus on it, but I'd like to paint a picture of sur and just show people how far you've come in life and I'm sure.

[Heidi]

I appreciate. I appreciate definitely all the way into. I had a really, really bad problem with meth. Super. Super. And me too.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I almost lost my hand because I was smoking it.

[Heidi]

I definitely lost my tooth to that. I'm pretty sure that I lost my tooth that thankfully later on my teeth are all. We're good to go. Yeah, we're good to go. I have braces twice. I got my veneers done. I just wanted to set my mouth up for the future.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heidi]

Set that mouth up.

[Bonnie]

After you fucked it up so much. You're like, let's fix this. Let's fix what I did. So you're in your addiction you're on meth. Where. Where's the turnaround? Where. Where do you see the light and decide that you want to get sober?

[Heidi]

I was 18, and I was like. I was like, I'm gonna move to Phoenix. My two sisters had already gone there, and it. I just. I just wanted to. I wanted a new life. I wanted a new chance at life. I got there. Little did I know that in Phoenix, meth is just runs rampant.

[Bonnie]

Oh, no.

[Heidi]

It's like, read this.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

And I. And then I. And then I was like, oh. And then I was, like, a functioning addict at that point, which. Which is horrendous. You. You also don't think. You. You think you can handle it. You're like, everything's great. I was working my job, and then it just got really bad. I met this guy there, of course, and it just got really bad. Then I wasn't showing up to my job, and I was, like, homeless in my car, and it was just. It was horrendous, you know, and it just got.

[Bonnie]

Well, it was an addiction.

[Heidi]

It was an addiction. Yeah. And my parents never lost sight of us. Me, none of us. Yeah. Calling us all the time. Or I would call them from a payphone when payphones were still a thing.

[Bonnie]

Thing. Dude, kids will never know.

[Heidi]

They'll never know the struggle.

[Bonnie]

Never know the beeper getting a beep or having to go use a pay phone to call somebody.

[James]

That 911 beep. Oh, my God, there's an emergency.

[Bonnie]

Let's go to bed.

[Heidi]

Yeah. I never had a pager, but I always. There was always a collect call, and it would be like. It would be like, my mom just in tears, like, come back to us. Come back to us. Like. Like, you're. You're safe over here. And I. And I did. I was like, okay, so I. I went back. I got clean. I got clean.

[Bonnie]

I love that you had the parental support, because a lot of people don't have that.

[Heidi]

They're not lucky enough to have that. You know, some. Some parents just feel lost themselves, and they feel like they just can't handle it.

[Bonnie]

Right.

[Heidi]

You know, or they don't know what to do, you know, I never went to rehab, which is really shocking, because a lot of my friends either died, went to prison, or went to rehab.

[Bonnie]

I never went to rehab to get sober either.

[Heidi]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's a gift from God.

[Bonnie]

No strength within. Like, it's crazy.

[Heidi]

Gift from God, man. Intervention.

[Bonnie]

You got sober?

[Heidi]

Got sober. I slept, I ate. I g. Some way. That's just how it is. I say that so casually, but like when you're talking to somebody else who's used, you just know how it is.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

You sleep, you eat, you gain the weighing back and then you just kind of. Because it's like drug induced psychosis. You heal. Yeah. It's like you have to heal your mind from the inside out. And then I admit, I, I did it a few more times. And when I say a few is probably like a handful, maybe like three times. And I remember the very last time I did it, I just, I waited. It was like going around in a circle and I was like, like, I don't think I'm going to, I think this is, I, I, I don't think I'm going to do it. And then it went around a few more times. I was like, I, I think I'm going to do it one more. And it was, it was that last hit I took and I was like, it was instant regret. I was like, I'm never doing it again. And I never did.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

And then I just stopped.

[Bonnie]

I know that feeling.

[Heidi]

You know that feeling?

[Bonnie]

Yep. That's what I did. Whenever I stopped. I had pills. I had a problem with Lora Tabs. Xanax, man. Yep. And I just remember the day that I just looked at my husband. This was, was 2017. And I was like, I don't want these in my blood.

[Heidi]

I don't want to do this.

[Bonnie]

I don't want it anymore. And like you literally just once you make your mind up, it's that's that.

[Heidi]

Yeah, it's that's that. And nothing will stop you.

[Bonnie]

I love that. I'm so proud of you.

[Heidi]

Thank you. It feels like I've, I've clawed and teared my way to where I have. I am now. And, and I definitely source that back. I relate it way back. Like, I had a billboard in Times Square last year and I just, I, I made a post, I said, from Twigger to Times Square. And I really mean that too. That's like, absolutely. That's like, that's what it is. That's hard work, determination. And I chose to live. You want to live? I want to live.

[Bonnie]

You deserve to be prideful.

[Heidi]

Yeah, absolutely. And people are shocked by that. They said, are you sure you, you said tweaker. Did you say that? And I was like, I sure damn did.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Heidi]

Source it back to my, to my old life, you know, like, you know, if I had a conversation with my younger self would be like, listen, dude, it's gonna get better if you let it.

[Bonnie]

You know, I love that.

[James]

So I don't like it when people sometimes be like, you know, if they see you're doing well, they'd be like, oh, it must be nice, you know, whatever. I hate the must be nice people.

[Bonnie]

Passive aggressive kill me.

[James]

It's like, dude, we have worked so hard.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[James]

Like you guys, you've worked so hard to get where you're at. And for someone just to tear it all down and be like, oh, it must be nice to you. They just like you just negated like everything years and years and years of work took to get here.

[Bonnie]

Must be nice to be so complacent behind your fucking whatever.

[Heidi]

Yeah, yeah.

[James]

Behind your phone, just talking shit.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

So James, let's bring it back to you. So you are fresh out of high school, getting straight into the army. Did you have any addictions? Did you battle addiction at any. At any point in your life? Or were you just kind of headstrong and just like, I'm gonna put nose to the grind and do this military.

[James]

Thing and you know, the military thing, I think it. Because I went in like, you know, right after high school and it was like, I didn't really have time to get into a bunch of stuff really, you know, because I moved out of my mom's house, into my grandparents house, I think my junior year, something like that. And then finished high school, out went in the army. Yeah, dude, like, I thought the army was great. I don't have any, any bad, like everybody has bad experiences, right? But like, I, I like the army. I thought it was great.

[Bonnie]

I, it was good for you at the time.

[James]

After six years, I decided to get out. I was like, I'm gonna get out, be a sylvia and make real money. I did not know how big of a joke that was gonna be.

[Bonnie]

I feel so bad for the people that do serve our country because you guys come home to literally nothing. No help, nobody. Like, like, it's just crazy. You guys come back with a ton of trauma, especially if you've gone to war and stuff like that. Like, and nobody. You guys don't have any tools or anything in place to like lift you guys up? Like, I just, I've always. That has never sat right with me.

[James]

Yeah. You know, and the, the term PTSD gets thrown out a lot. And I think a lot of people probably use the term a little loosely, especially in the veteran community, you know, but it is a real thing. You know, PTSD is real and it is to be taken serious and There's a serious problem with veterans, like, committing suicide, you know, and all that stuff. And it is like, it is really heartbreaking. You know, it's. It would be nice to have more resources and stuff available. For me, personally speaking though, my personal experiences, I've always had good experiences with the va. Haven't had any problems. Like anytime I needed stuff for my prosthetics or anything like that, it's been really easy. But I do know a lot of people have a lot of issues with it.

[Bonnie]

So let's talk about this. So you get out of the military, a day later, you get into a motorcycle accident?

[James]

Yeah, I had a motorcycle. Motorcycle before I went in, you know, or not before I went in, but before I went to Italy and it parked at my grandma's house the whole time I was in Italy. I came home, first thing I did, jump on my bike. Bike, drive it like a mile down the road and wreck it into a guardrail. You know, it's like.

[Bonnie]

And you weren't drunk? You were.

[James]

No, no, it was just, you know, I think it's lack of experience with my motorcycle for so long, you know, just sat in the, you know, dumb kid, you know, doing stuff. And I actually lost it from mid calf, but I had a break all the way up to mid thigh, so they had to take it at mid thigh.

[Bonnie]

Oh, goodness.

[James]

And that was rough, you know, cuz I got out of the army and then I lost my leg. And then I was like, what the hell am I gonna do?

[Bonnie]

Right? Where are you at mentally? Right.

[James]

I was not in a good spot, but I didn't really show it, you know, I tried to, you know, just kind of get through it and.

[Bonnie]

Sounds like you grew up in a household where you weren't allowed to show emotion.

[Heidi]

Yes.

[James]

Oh, you could say that, yeah. Yeah, you could say that.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[James]

But, you know, it was like six months before I could get my prosthetic, so. Because I also shattered my pelvis and had to get a bunch of reconstructive surgery for it. And I got my right hip replaced, so it took a while to get back on it. But once I got in my prosthetic, I was like, I gotta do stuff. I. Because you see, you see too many people, especially in losing a limb. You know, you get real depressed. You get. You can get addicted to pills really easy, like the pain pills and stuff. And I could. When I was recovering, I could feel myself starting to want the oxys and not needing them.

[Bonnie]

Right.

[James]

You know, So I was like, I gotta stop. I gotta Stop. I'm glad I had the forethought and I didn't get too deep into it. So I don't think I really had a problem with addiction, but I could feel it.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

You know how easy it is to slip into it.

[Bonnie]

So absolutely.

[James]

I'm glad that, you know, my brother was real supportive, My mom was real supportive. My grandparents, everybody was real supportive of me in my recovery. So big shout out to them.

[Bonnie]

And how old were you when you lost your leg again?

[James]

You were 26.

[Bonnie]

26.

[James]

42.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[James]

So it's been a long time since I lost it. So if there's new amputees out there, I know a lot of new amputees will follow my Instagram and stuff like that. Don't Compare your chapter one to my chapter, like 40. You know what I mean? Like, it's.

[Bonnie]

Say that again. That just gave me goosebumps.

[James]

Yeah, it's. You gotta. It. It takes. And that goes to anybody starting up anything, you know, or getting through anything. Comparison is the thief of joy, you know, so it was really, like, important for me to get back going again.

[Bonnie]

And so first year advice of somebody who's going through something traumatic like this, losing a limb, what would you. What would your advice be for that first year? For them.

[James]

Them get through the recovery. You know, get used to wearing your prosthetic. It's easy to not want to wear it because it's uncomfortable. Obviously, don't wear it if your limb or whatever is getting injured. But you gotta expect to be uncomfortable, you know, so get comfortable being uncomfortable and then, you know, listen to your doctors or don't. I didn't. You know.

[Bonnie]

Right. Oh, that's brutal. But so inspiring at the same time to see just how far you've come, you know, just in everything. So let's circle back to Heidi. So you're sober now, baby?

[Heidi]

Yeah. Yeah. When I. When I say that, I've said it a lot, like I'm. I'm sober now. And, and. And I do preface it with I stopped doing all the hard stuff. I used to not know how to just have to enjoy a drink. Let's just say that, like at dinner, me either. I was like, yeah, the goal was to get blacked out. It was like, let's get blacked out. We're going to a keg or blacked out. That was like my height school. I'm surprised I graduated. I just. There's a lot of surprises there. I'm surprised I'm alive. In fact, I'm alive.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

Thank. Praise God, I'm alive. But yeah, I, I, I, I was like, I gotta go, I gotta go do something. Now that I'm sober, I've got this new lease at life whatever. And I, I had always, I'm artistic, I'm left handed. I, I'm, I've always drawn drew as a kid. My mom's artistic and I was like, I need to do hair. I, I need to do something. I need to choose a career path. So I became a barber and then, and then I became a hairstylist. And I did that for years and years and years. But all the while I was doing all of that. I was actually modeling too. So there was a lot of things happening at once.

[Bonnie]

Right.

[Heidi]

Let's just say that I was getting older. You know, I just turned 36.

[Bonnie]

Okay. So I feel like girls in our age group were all hairdressers. I feel like I went to cosmetology. Well, I went and got my nail license and I was like, like a few hundred hours short from getting my, my hair license. But yeah, I feel like we just all did that around this age.

[Heidi]

Yeah, we're beauty industry girls. Right.

[Bonnie]

So when people, we didn't want to work for the man.

[Heidi]

Exactly, exactly. And I did, I totally worked for the man. I mean, my, my barbering school, I went to barbering school in Anchorage, Alaska, and my two barbers had passed. Rest in peace. But they were amazing. They taught me a lot. And I'm still best friends with my best friend that I went to barbering school with and she's now a master barber and Anchorage and has her own barbershop. Shout out to Kelly.

[Bonnie]

So you were modeling while is it was this Instagram time?

[Heidi]

It was, it was, yeah, it was. Well, it was so funny.

[Bonnie]

My space.

[Heidi]

Yeah. Like, it was MySpace.

[Bonnie]

I was like, where the is Tom? I miss him.

[James]

Yeah, it was everybody's friend.

[Heidi]

These Gen Z kids can't relate to us with the MySpace, but they all, at all the, you know, remember that you get to choose your music on the MySpace page.

[Bonnie]

I feel like this generation is a bunch of titty bitches. Babies. We were just talking about that.

[Heidi]

I know, man. You choose. You know, I was like writing all the HTML code for my space.

[Bonnie]

I was saying, I'm gonna change the background. I can program this like it was crazy. Didn't never took a class on it, but MySpace taught me how to program a. Yeah.

[Heidi]

Was it the top eight or was it top four? Was it top eight?

[Bonnie]

It was top five, top eight and then top ten.

[Heidi]

Okay. Yeah. And, and that this is this totally random. That's when I started following Jeffree Star.

[Bonnie]

I love Jeff.

[Heidi]

I love Jeff.

[Bonnie]

He's coming on the podcast.

[James]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Heidi]

I cannot wait to listen. Yeah, so, so. And it's funny too, like on Tick tock too, when I, it's. I'm like jeffree Star. And like, you know, the new kids, they just, they, they don't know. They, they, you know, they don't.

[Bonnie]

Forbidden.

[Heidi]

It is, it's. It's forbidden. But.

[Bonnie]

Well, no, remember forbidden on my side.

[Heidi]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I was like, that's. Let's take it all the way back.

[Heidi]

Yeah. With the makeup and the hair, the whole thing. Yeah.

[Bonnie]

I can't believe that was the whole thing.

[Heidi]

So when, when the head come up, I was like, oh, my gosh. Forbidden. And people, the kids now, they don't know.

[Bonnie]

They don't know who forbidden is.

[Heidi]

She was.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Christine Dolce.

[Heidi]

Rest in peace. Yes, girl. And yeah, I feel like Jeffree Star and Forbidden were like the top. My space.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

They were like at the top of the whole thing. Kat Von D. Yeah, Kat Von D. I just, I, I respect then and still and all through this time that Jeffrey's like, come up of just like I've just seen him be. Do, do his thing and he started from the bottom and he's just all self made. I just, I respect that.

[Bonnie]

He's amazing. What was your MySpace name?

[Heidi]

Oh. Oh, God. Oh, God. It was Heidi the hippie.

[Bonnie]

I love that. What about you? What was your MySpace?

[James]

I think it was just something awesome like James Ramsey.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

That was in my like super Stonery era. And I would always, you know, play the doors and all that.

[Bonnie]

I love it. So you're modeling, you're sober. California sober. So they call California sober like people who still drink but just don't do the hard stuff.

[Heidi]

Right? Yes, the California sober. Exactly. Oh, and I smoked cigarettes forever. Thank God I quit smoking cigarettes.

[Bonnie]

Me too. I did Newport.

[Heidi]

Oh. Oh, yeah. And all I smoked, All I smoked were menthol, so I smoked Newports. I smoked all. Yes. Schools. The last, the last though was American spirit. It was like the heavy menthol.

[Bonnie]

Never got into those. No, they were too natural for me, man.

[Heidi]

I just was like as much menthol as possible. But yeah, so like at the same time, so I had moved from all the places and then I eventually got into like the Portland area. I think it was like 21, 22. I was going to. I was doing hair. I was, I worked for the Man. I worked at Ulta Regis. I was an assistant. I was a shampoo girl. I was a shampoo girl in New York.

[Bonnie]

There's.

[Heidi]

I've done everything in a hair salon setting. You can imagine. But while all that was happening, I was getting tattooed. And while I was getting tattooed, there was people. Was it on Facebook? It was right before Instagram blew up on Facebook. Like, these photographers were like, I want to shoot you. And I was like, awesome. This is crazy. So we started doing all of that, and then the more I shot, the more tattoos tattooed I got. And then it just quickly escalated into, like, tattoo magazines hitting me up, tattoo photographers hitting me up, tattoo apparel lines hitting me up, tattoo products.

[Bonnie]

There was a big boom for that. I think that's why we all ended up getting tatted, because nobody was tatted back then. Now everybody.

[Heidi]

The whole thing. I was like, yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm gonna. I did the whole. What is it? The soul and angels, rock star suicide girls, all that.

[Bonnie]

That whole.

[Heidi]

Yeah, dude, I. I was never a suicide girl. But my friend Sunny.

[Bonnie]

I appreciate it.

[Heidi]

Yeah, totally. Totally. My friend Sunny shoots for them, I think, still. And she was like, do you want to shoot a set? And I was like, I. I did shoot a set, but it was never submitted because I was like, no, no.

[Bonnie]

I don't want to.

[Heidi]

I don't want to. I. Then and I still now, which will. It'll circle back to as we, like, combine forces. I want. I want to own all my content. I want my own content. I don't want to wait for my content content to come back. I don't want my content in somebody else's hands. I'm controlling and.

[James]

Exactly.

[Heidi]

It's a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing. You have to look at it in a good way because you're just covering your ass, period. You know what I mean? When you have control.

[Bonnie]

Absolutely control, you direct how it goes, you know?

[Heidi]

Exactly.

[Bonnie]

And I never twist nowadays and make sure you look crazy.

[Heidi]

No, I never liked authority. I got biggest rebel in high school. I never listened to. And, yeah, I never had an agent. Never had any. That of that stuff.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I've never managed the whole thing.

[Heidi]

Blah, blah, blah. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes there's like, brain brand agents or like. Like a. Like a team that helps you.

[Bonnie]

Right.

[Heidi]

You're still the.

[Bonnie]

I finally signed the Maestro, a huge agency in January. Who are we signed with? William Morris.

[Heidi]

Sorry.

[Bonnie]

Sorry, Sloan. But that was after years of putting in work and just finally saying, like, okay, to go to the next level, I need this. Right, but that's what you need when.

[Heidi]

You get to your. When you get to that. You need a team. You need somebody to have help coordinate some things. This doesn't mean you're not in control at all.

[Bonnie]

No, no. Absolutely.

[Heidi]

No.

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[Heidi]

Oh, this is. Oh, boy, oh, boy. Yeah, oh boys. Oh boy.

[James]

Common question.

[Heidi]

Go ahead. Okay. No, we'll jump back and forth because I feel like the answer changes. The answer is a little different depending on who's asking.

[Bonnie]

Okay.

[Heidi]

Yeah, I.

[James]

So after I lost my leg, you know, and I was recovering, I started working out again. And then on Facebook, someone tagged me in a post that says it was a Michael Stokes post. I don't know if you heard of Michael Stokes.

[Heidi]

Where it all begins.

[James]

And he was shooting veterans that had missing limbs for coffee table books. And we're talking like it was like, how is the photography? Would you describe it?

[Heidi]

It was like very high end.

[James]

It was like he made his models look like sculptures.

[Heidi]

Just like very. Just think really jacked hard men.

[James]

Really good photography.

[Bonnie]

I'm in.

[Heidi]

Where do we go?

[James]

But yeah, so I was tagged in this post for Michael Stokes. He was shooting.

[Heidi]

Oh, and naked. And naked veterans.

[Bonnie]

You got your Clark bar hanging out in these pictures.

[Heidi]

Yeah, but it's.

[Bonnie]

I love this.

[Heidi]

It's. It's like, it's like high end.

[James]

Like, not. I don't want to say it's like, like male boudoir. I don't know. I don't know how to describe it.

[Bonnie]

It's like male playboy almost.

[James]

Basically. Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Okay.

[Heidi]

Yes, upscale, very nice.

[James]

But big coffee table books, you know? Love that someone tagged me in a post and I just wrote, hey, love your work. I love what you're doing. You know, this is awesome because I've never seen anything like that before, you know.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[James]

So I was surprised when he hit me up and asked me if I wanted to shoot with him because I had lost my leg and I was a veteran, but I didn't lose my Leg, you know, overseas, I lost when I come home. So I was like, like, here's my situation. He's like, yeah, I don't care. You look great. And I just like to shoot you. I was like, sure, yeah, that'd be great. He's like, sweet, I'll fly you to la. I was like, oh, my God. Because I'd never done anything like that before. Right. So I was talking to my friend Ryder, and she was like, hey, you should shoot with my friend friend who's a photographer. Just kind of get your foot wet. So I was like, yeah, that'd be great. So I messaged this person and they messaged me back, and they were like, how would you feel about shooting with another model, Heidi Lavon? I was like, well, because I'd known about Heidi in Portland because she's kind of Portland famous at the time, you.

[Bonnie]

Know, he's a Portland famous. I love that you need a hat that says Portland Famous.

[James]

Portland famous. So I'd seen it, like, on Facebook or Instagram or whatever, and I was like, I mean, yeah, sure, whatever. And I. It was kind of insinuated that was going to be kind of like a sexy shoot.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[James]

So I messaged Heidi. I was like, hey, would you like to, like, meet up first? To kind of like, I've never shot before and would you like to, like, meet up first? Because I don't know what the hell I'm doing and I don't want to just show up on site and be like, now we're shooting sex.

[Bonnie]

Did you do that because you were really nervous or did you just want to feel her energy before you shot her?

[James]

I was nervous.

[Bonnie]

Probably both.

[Heidi]

Probably both.

[James]

Well, and I wanted to see, you know, because you don't know. You know, right? You don't know, so. And I had no idea about anything. This was. How long ago was. This is? Eight, nine years ago.

[Heidi]

Nine. Yeah. So I was just like, yeah, we've been together almost. Almost a decade.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. Damn, that's wild.

[James]

But, yeah, so I was like, yeah, sure. Message Heidi. She's like, yeah, that sounds great. So we met up.

[Bonnie]

And then what were your first impressions?

[Heidi]

I.

[James]

So I got there late. She was there first.

[Heidi]

No, no, no. It all started in the. In the messenger.

[Bonnie]

Oh, it did do tell.

[Heidi]

He. He. He sent me a message and I was like, oh. And I, like, opened it up and of course, course his profile.

[Bonnie]

She's rubbing her titties right now. For anybody who's not watching this, she's getting all hot and bothered over here already. James is blushing and her nipples are hard.

[James]

Has nothing to do with.

[Heidi]

I admit it was. It was 100% lust at first sight. 100. 100. I admit it. Like, how. How can I not?

[Bonnie]

And it was like, no, he's handsome. Very handsome.

[Heidi]

Very, very. But he looked.

[Bonnie]

You guys are a hot couple.

[Heidi]

Oh, thanks, girl.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, totally.

[Heidi]

Thanks, squirrel. But no, James was never my type. He had this huge beard and long, crazy hair.

[Bonnie]

Like, long. I.

[Heidi]

Like a lion's man. Like, this long super texture. He's got, like, coarse, curly. You know, coarse, curly hair.

[James]

It was like. It was like, down to here, probably.

[Bonnie]

What look? Were we going for Fabio?

[James]

I was in a band.

[Heidi]

No, he was in a metal band. Yeah, we love metal stuff. I just wanted long hair so I could hair whip. So his profile uploaded was like, him sweaty on stage, like, ripping a guitar, and it was like. And I was like, just like that.

[Bonnie]

And this was after the incident happened, that you were years and years later. I love that for you. That you, you know, just kind of took this and was like, you know what? I'm not gonna let this define me.

[James]

Oh, dude, it gets better. I. I do jiu jitsu.

[Heidi]

Oh, yeah.

[James]

I can run. I can shoot and run.

[Heidi]

Yeah, It's a whole thing.

[Bonnie]

Wow.

[James]

Yeah, it's pretty.

[Heidi]

It's a complete package.

[James]

It's a complete package.

[Bonnie]

No, I love that mind.

[Heidi]

I protect. Protected. I am protected. Yeah, but no, he hit me up, and I was just like. I, like, clicked his photo, and I was looking through, and I was like, this is not my traditional man, but he was so fine, and I was like, how could I not? So we. We met each other at this little publishing. Oh, putters.

[Bonnie]

Is this in Vegas?

[Heidi]

No, this is in Portland. Wow.

[Bonnie]

I didn't know you guys had putters in Portland too.

[Heidi]

Is it. Is there one in Vegas?

[Bonnie]

Yep, there is.

[Heidi]

Oh, it's like this dive bar. It's like a dive. Is it a little dive bar?

[Bonnie]

They're kind of shitty.

[Heidi]

Yeah, yeah, totally shitty. It was like iceberg leaf lettuce salads.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, man with a cockroach on the side.

[James]

There's a thousand island.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

So he showed up, and I. The first thing I noticed was he was tall, very handsome, very nervous and awkward.

[James]

Oh. Kind of like, what? I'm like, right now he's like, my.

[Bonnie]

Butt cheeks are clenched together. Right now he's like, getting my keels in a. No, I could totally see how you know for sure.

[Heidi]

And we sat down, down. And I was like, would you like to share a salad?

[James]

Yeah. Took my jacket off. She was just.

[Heidi]

And it was all over from there. He took his jacket off, and his arms came forward on the table, and I was like, I'm so glad I shaved my leg.

[Bonnie]

She's like, I shaved my vagina for this.

[Heidi]

I did. I did. I totally admit it.

[James]

It was all downhill, and it was.

[Heidi]

That was it. And then we didn't really get around to the photo.

[James]

There's one photo from that shoot, and.

[Heidi]

That'S buried, and I'm not even in. I'm not even in the photo.

[James]

She, like, oiled me up for it. That was it.

[Heidi]

It was over, man.

[James]

We went back to my house.

[Heidi]

Yeah. And then.

[Bonnie]

So it's pretty much like love at first.

[Heidi]

Yes.

[James]

She basically.

[Heidi]

Basically didn't leave after for, like, three days.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I love that.

[Heidi]

That's. That's the story, man.

[Bonnie]

That's, like, amazing, though, because that's how my husband and I were, too. Like, as soon as we got together. He was not my type. I'm not his type. And literally, we just.

[Heidi]

How did you guys even meet? Where?

[Bonnie]

Well, this isn't. This is your guys's podcast, but.

[James]

But I don't know the story, so I want to know.

[Bonnie]

Well, long story short, my ex. Ex was in the music industry also. Before he went to prison, we went to I Love Felons. We went to Felony Flats.

[Heidi]

He was also in a band. He was a roadie for Shiny Toy Guns. And then he passed away from an overdose. That is who I went from New York to. Yeah, it was a whole thing. God rest his soul. I love his family, but, you know, he. He left too soon. He was an amazing. He really was. He treated me great, but, you know, life led me in this direction and.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. And now you got a James.

[Heidi]

Now I. Now I have a James.

[Bonnie]

I met him whenever he was performing to, like, 20 people. He was opening up for the Moonshine Bandits at Las Vegas Country Club. And when I met him, I just, like. I tell everybody I fell in love with the saddest eyes in the room. There was just something about him that, like, my soul recognized him. And it took. A year. Later, my ex ended up going to prison. And then Jay and I kind of started sniffing around each other. And then, like, he would call me all the time, and I would, like, get out of bed with my cabana boys, like, to answer his calls. I'd have a dude in the bedroom, and I'd be like, hey, what's up? How you doing? But, yeah, and then he came, and I tried to rape him. One night he wanted a five year plan, I gave him a five year plan. And we finished that five year plan last year. Well, the year before.

[James]

I'm so happy for you guys. It's so nice when you see that people come from nothing and then just overcome all the. And they're just.

[Heidi]

Yes.

[James]

You know, they're doing.

[Heidi]

So you rep it and I. You rep that.

[Bonnie]

Oh, you have to.

[Heidi]

You got to, man. Because people just, they just.

[Bonnie]

Well, we live in a world where everybody tries to expose everybody.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

So it's like you can't expose what I've already told you.

[Heidi]

Exactly.

[Bonnie]

And the only reason you know anything about me is because I was so gangster. You can't find anything about me on the Internet like that.

[Heidi]

You know, I did the same thing. I, I, after I. So I had, I've had two DUIs. After I've had those two DUIs, I was afraid that my mug shot would just circulate and I was like, wear a T shirt. True, could. But instead I took the power back and I just posted it. I was like. I posted myselfers. I was like, you have to, you know, you just have to.

[Bonnie]

We just live in a time where people just think that they can out you at any time. It's like, no, sorry, I've already done that. It's old.

[Heidi]

Sorry. Yeah, I got there first.

[Bonnie]

I'm proud of you gu.

[James]

Guys also.

[Bonnie]

So, okay, so you guys did this first photo shoot. Take me on the journey from there.

[James]

See. So we hung out for a few days and then I had to go to LA for my photo shoot and it came back and then we just.

[Heidi]

I was.

[James]

Left each other.

[Heidi]

We never left each other. I admit that. I was like fighting so hard to be. I. I don't need a man.

[James]

Yeah. She come and bring me around. Her friends and her friends. Like, listen, if you don't, if you.

[Heidi]

Don'T jump that, I'm gonna jump that.

[Bonnie]

They were like, they were like, like salivating.

[Heidi]

And I was like, I can't have that.

[James]

I didn't live in Portland either. Portland's real small.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

So like, you lived out in the country? I got myself a country boy.

[James]

Yeah. Like everybody in Portland knows everybody. So me not living in Portland. I didn't know.

[Heidi]

It's very attractive for me. It's very attractive for me. Yeah, he was like, he was like untouched earth.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

You know?

[Bonnie]

No, I. Trust me, I had to, I had to get me a Nashville boy outside of Vegas. So I totally know what that's like. So moving on, you guys. Have built this empire together. Like, take me on this journey. Like what? How? Dude, where do we start?

[James]

I gotta say when. So I'm not want to take over. But I gotta say going on when we first got together, I wouldn't shoot with her all like as another model with. I would just go with her to her photo shoots while she would shoot. You know, I'd help her with anything she needed or whatever. Whatever. And I remember going to these photo shoots and these photographers taking like 900 or 4,000 photos.

[Bonnie]

I can't do that.

[James]

Six months later, we get like three photos back.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[James]

And they weren't even edited. Well, you know, most of the time.

[Heidi]

Yeah. No, no. When you're super tattooed. I'm gonna say this. Photographers. Photographers will tend to bump up the Claire. Clarifying the clarify to try to make a color policy. Yeah. To do this. But then they. They don't. They don't. They're not reach. They don't know how to do beauty retouching on the face. So then it would also pull my lines and things out. And I'm like.

[Bonnie]

And you're beautiful. Bless your heart. No, you're gorgeous.

[Heidi]

So were you.

[Bonnie]

I. I appreciate that. You don't listen. You need to learn how to accept compliments without giving them back. I do it too. But you are. You're gorgeous and you're stunning. So. And I know how that is. We went through the same thing with the. That's why we do everything ourselves.

[Heidi]

Exactly. You exactly have your own team. And that's the thing. Thing is, James was like, fuck this. And so I think I took a.

[James]

Whole paycheck that I had for my crap job.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[James]

It was like fifteen hundred dollars. Right. My whole month's worth of paycheck. And I was like, we just bought a camera and we started doing our own photography.

[Heidi]

And I taught myself Lightroom, Photoshop, exporting, importing, all that stuff.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

And then we just did it all together. And then it just. It just was easier. We had all the content. We were in control. Then we were able to like build more, shoot more, have more content. Content. And then it just reached more people than people reaching us. And it was. It just blossomed into this.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[James]

Like we. When we first got together, I was living in my mom's house.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[James]

You know, I was like, oh.

[Heidi]

And I was living in a garage apartment.

[James]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

Yeah. It was like this. My best friend had got me this garage. Shout out to Tiffany, I love you. You're the best. You're the best. It my still. My Best friend. We worked, I think, at four different salons together, and she found me in a park apartment. She has found me all kinds of things, you know? You know those just besties that.

[Bonnie]

Just a friend.

[Heidi]

They're like, you're. They're like your sister, your family.

[Bonnie]

You know I got two of them, right?

[Heidi]

Yes, yes, yes, girl. Shout out to y' all. Okay. And, yeah, I was living in this garage apartment.

[James]

Yeah, dude, I was living in my mom's house.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

And this is while you guys were together?

[Heidi]

Yeah, we just started just about.

[Bonnie]

Okay.

[James]

Like, hanging out. Like, seriously, Seriously.

[Bonnie]

Early on, you were like, I'm gonna take control of this. Us.

[James]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When? After I went to a few photo shoots with her, and, you know, sometimes, especially before it got to the point it is now where everybody just kind of does like, photo. I feel like photographers are kind of, like, almost not a thing of the past, but you don't really need photographers no more. You know what I mean? Because, like, before, you need a photographer that had hookups with, like, magazines and stuff like that so you could get on a good cover, do whatever. But now, like, social media is just so big, magazines themselves, physical copies are not even really important that much anymore. So I think that. Yeah, when I remember going to a few photo shoots with her, I was just like, this is lame. You know? How long have you been doing this? She's like, I've been doing this for years. And I was like, has it been like this the whole time? She's like, basically, the goals.

[Heidi]

The goals were goals, and then the goal shifted into other goals. Like, Like. Like, I'm like, people. People knew slash know me from Instagram as, like, a tattoo industry model. So I was like, just tattoo industry model. And I was, like, doing all the tattoo shows. I was traveling and working for all these brands and magazines and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so, like, my goal back then, like, in my young 20s, I was like, I want to get on as many tattoo covers as possible. That was just, like, the thing. I don't know. That's what all the tattoo models wanted.

[Bonnie]

You know, I was like, queen Esther and like, you. And like, yeah, there was a few other girls that were like, no. For doing tattoo magazines.

[Heidi]

Yeah. And then. And then it's. But I don't just want that. Like, I wanted to do. I want to do everything. You know what I mean? I feel like that's kind of how we all have gotten. You don't.

[Bonnie]

You have to evolve.

[Heidi]

You have to evolve.

[Bonnie]

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[Bonnie]

So, okay, I know you guys probably get this question a lot because I get it all the time too. But how cool is it that you had a man that looked at you and was like, you know what, I can do this. And I can take half naked pictures of my wife.

[Heidi]

Oh yeah.

[Bonnie]

And you know, because I know a lot of people are like, how does your husband feel about you being naked on the Internet?

[James]

I get that all the time too. Like, how do you let your girl do that?

[Heidi]

I don't let her do anything. Yeah. I say exactly. And I'm like, I do what I want. I always have.

[Bonnie]

But isn't it nice to have somebody that believes in you? And my ports. Yeah. Supports my husband is the same way. Like he is like, baby, go.

[Heidi]

It's a security thing. If the man himself is, is secure with themselves, he doesn't need no reason. There is no reason to feel fear because he, he knows me. He gets model and day and crackhead by night. Yeah.

[Bonnie]

Crackhead fun in the glass all the time.

[Heidi]

Yeah. The moomoo. So that's literally what it is. I hate wearing makeup.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

I didn't even put lashes on right now.

[Bonnie]

Believe it or not, you don't need it.

[Heidi]

I have a little dead shark.

[Bonnie]

What's your ethnicity?

[Heidi]

Oh, I just found out last year that I am Russian and Ukrainian.

[Bonnie]

I can see the.

[Heidi]

I knew I was Jewish. My mom's always been like, don't forget you're Jewish. I was like, okay, but. But she was like, yeah. I was like, okay, but I don't know. I don't know why, but I knew I had a little bit of. Oh, I knew I was Polish, so I'm. I'm super Slavic. I love that. I'm super.

[Bonnie]

I can see that though. You're very Viking.

[Heidi]

Ish. Thank you.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. I love you.

[Heidi]

I got that strong nose. I got that strong, big.

[Bonnie]

But you know what? You're tiny. Your presence online, like, when she walked in, the first thing she said to me was, you're so tall. And I'm like, everybody says that you're tiny.

[Heidi]

You have sandals on.

[Bonnie]

Yeah. No, I thought you were going to be as tall. Like, taller than what it your height. I'm five six. Five, five, five, six.

[Heidi]

But I'm five seven.

[James]

Not if she's five six.

[Heidi]

There's. Is there no way I'm five seven.

[Bonnie]

You. I think you're about five' four.

[Heidi]

There's no. No, no, we're. Nah, dude.

[Bonnie]

No, I'm five. Last time I.

[Heidi]

No, my doctor. I literally met the doctor.

[Bonnie]

But I always say five, six. Cuz I'm not gonna sit here and say five, five and a half. Yeah.

[James]

Tape measure when we go home.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

I'm curious because you're. When she walked in, I was like, oh, my God. She's like, because you have this huge. Well, your ass. Ass. So if you guys don't follow Heidi, you need to, because she's got pretty much the most famous ass on Tik Tok. Ass presence. Literally. So let's talk about Tik Tok. How has this, like, changed? You have like, what, 11 million over there?

[Heidi]

No, not quite.

[Bonnie]

But what is it, bro?

[Heidi]

10 points. Okay, we're in the tents.

[Bonnie]

I mean, you're almost 11. Yeah.

[Heidi]

I'm just gonna say, like, it changed our lives, bro. Y' all, I'm gonna say this foremost, shout out to. To anyone who has ever followed me. Not just on Tick Tock, but long. There are OGs from all the way back from the Facebook to the MySpace to the Facebook to the Instagram, to the Tick Tock. But shout out to just anybody who's ever Followed me, supported me, left comments, left love. Like, I wouldn't be here without you. I mean, I would be somewhere.

[Bonnie]

Amen.

[Heidi]

I'd be somewhere. But, like, support is everything. So I. I just. I just. Like, what can you say? It's like, there's not enough I could say. And how grateful I'm. The gratitude. The older I get, the gratitude is just like.

[Bonnie]

I'm sure that translates over into only fans, too.

[Heidi]

Does. Yeah, it really does. Thank you.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[James]

That first video she had on Tick Tock went viral. We were going to Colorado, dude.

[Heidi]

I was at my family cabin in the mountains in Colorado, and we were just, like, hanging out, doing family stuff, and I had just. I was just. I had, like, ratty braids. I took out and no makeup, and I put my glasses.

[James]

We were in a hotel room.

[Heidi]

Yeah. This whole lodge thing or whatever. And everything was going fine regardless. Like, like, you know, modeling and only fans. Everything was, like, totally great and awesome. But I had just. It was right before the. The. With the. The slow pan. Yeah, that slow pan effect, y' all, on Tick Tock. That came out. Yeah, but you have to do it in post production, so I. I've already. Already been. I love post production. I love Photoshop Light.

[Bonnie]

No, you're amazing. You guys are amazing at what you guys do. Like, all the, like, the editing and stuff like that is phenomenal.

[Heidi]

I geek out on that, man. And I'm a little controlling, I admit. But. But no, I. I had just posted that video and I. I threw it.

[Bonnie]

The inner crackhead in us.

[Heidi]

Yeah.

[Bonnie]

It's like, fine details.

[Heidi]

The fine details. No, I just, like, threw it up and then I just closed my phone. I just closed my phone. And it, like, two hours later, it's like 5 million likes, not views.

[Bonnie]

It was like, that's crazy.

[Heidi]

It likes. And I was like, what is going on here? And I was like, what's going on here? What's happening? You know? And then it just.

[James]

Dude. And then everything started.

[Heidi]

Everything was, like, crazy.

[Bonnie]

It's like a slot mach. Everybody that Tick Tock is kind of like gambling. And you get addicted to. Not even the clout. That's not what it is. You get addicted to the numbers because you just like to watch them grow. And that's like, what it is. Whenever you're gambling, you hit those sevens, boy. And that adrenaline.

[James]

I can do it again.

[Heidi]

I can do it again.

[Bonnie]

So, like, you're just constantly chasing this high, but, I mean, you guys are crushing it. And I'm really, like, so excited to see all the you guys are doing over there.

[Heidi]

Likewise. I mean, come on, look at you.

[Bonnie]

Look, she's doing it.

[Heidi]

I'm sorry.

[Bonnie]

She's doing it.

[Heidi]

It again.

[Bonnie]

So what are you guys gonna do while you're out here in Nashville?

[James]

Well, eat. Eat.

[Bonnie]

Have you guys tried hot chicken yet?

[Heidi]

No, but. But I saw your. I saw your text. I actually referred back to the text and I looked at the dinner. Dinner was it. What is the word? Suggestions. I'm like, I looked at the dinner suggestions. I looked at them. They were either full. I think they were just like, full. Cuz yesterday was wild.

[Bonnie]

Memorial. Yeah.

[Heidi]

But I was not excited at all.

[James]

At where next to where we ate to. There's some like, Latino concert party thing.

[Heidi]

Oh, yeah. It was like. It was like. Yeah.

[James]

Well, we asked the guy what's going on there. It's like some Latino thing. I was like, okay, cool.

[Heidi]

Like a festival.

[James]

Tractors driving down the street.

[Heidi]

It was awesome.

[James]

Big John Deere tractors. I was like, that's.

[Bonnie]

Oh, and then party out here.

[Heidi]

I think he said a game, but.

[James]

Oh, and maybe a game maybe or something. I don't know.

[Heidi]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

[Bonnie]

But are you guys gonna go down on Broadway tonight?

[Heidi]

Oh, I don't know. I mean, wherever the food is. I mean, honestly, she's like, listen, I.

[Bonnie]

Don'T care about partying. I want food.

[James]

Not a big party guy, you know?

[Heidi]

And I, I. I'm sorry, y' all, but I just like sport. Unless it's like, you know, martial arts or boxing. Yeah. You know that James, too. We're like. His mom is like, huge. Football, like w. You know, and it's just.

[Bonnie]

No, we're. We're an MMA household too. Yeah, we love, like, ufc. It's great.

[Heidi]

It's fun, it's exciting. I think that's. That's like. It's just where it's at, man. I don't know. I don't know. But as far as, like, in Nashville, what are we gonna do? Probably eat. We leave early tomorrow. I mean, unless we stay.

[Bonnie]

But you guys should stay, because I. Jay would love to meet you guys.

[James]

I'm gonna try to talk Heidi in this.

[Bonnie]

You talk her into it. I know she. I know she's a type A. Type A. And I get it. I totally understand.

[Heidi]

Listen, if we do, we do. If we don't, we don't. But if we don't, this will happen again. This is. We're doing.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, we're gonna make a pretty good come into az.

[Heidi]

Oh, come to me.

[Bonnie]

Can you check updates really quick and see whenever we're through?

[Heidi]

Phoenix is the fifth largest city in the U.S. so if you're going to hit Arizona. You want to hit Phoenix?

[Bonnie]

Yeah, yeah. The tour is already.

[Heidi]

Well, I know. Listen, I will.

[Bonnie]

Hunter. Hunter, you better tour us through Phoenix.

[James]

Where's Jelly? I need to talk to him about his tour schedule.

[Heidi]

Yeah, I'll always jack up people to come to Phoenix. I'm like, yo, dude, no humidity. It's haunting. The Mexican food is amazing. You said the 100. Oh, yeah. But people dry. There's no humidity, central air, and a pool. What's up, girl?

[Bonnie]

I grew up in Vegas. I get it. This shit's hot.

[James]

As it does get hot out there.

[Bonnie]

So what do you guys have planned for the future?

[James]

We're actually talking about getting some Airbnbs or something. You know, branching out a little bit more. Yeah, just to have some more. Like, I want a tangible assets, cool.

[Heidi]

Fun, passive thing to do. You know, thinking airbnb, having. Having a. You know, like, an airbnb would be cool. I don't know. I mean, everything and anything, I guess you could say is. Is the right answer. I started putting some merch out. I'd like to put out more merch. You know, I just. I just. I. Sometimes you just have to continue what we're doing and.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, never jump off a winning horse. That's what I always say. And you guys just bought a house, like, so. And you got horses. Well, for the neighbors. I don't care.

[Heidi]

I don't know exactly.

[Bonnie]

They're yours. If they were my neighbors, I would be like, these are mine. I only have to feed them every now and then. The neighbors take care of them.

[Heidi]

Exactly. And they're so sweet. There's this big. There's this one. I mean, they all come over, but there's one that comes over and he's got a big white face, and he always pushes all the horses out of the way to get to me. And he's like, oh, he's really sweet.

[Bonnie]

I have a neighbor. He loves you. He chose you.

[Heidi]

He chose me.

[Bonnie]

He chose.

[Heidi]

He chose me. And then. And then I honestly, it's like, we. Up until when we met, till this, we had all these. All these goals, and we've crushed all these goals, and. And I'm like, oh, my gosh.

[James]

Every goal that we set, we've just been crushing it to accomplish together since we got together. Like, we want to. You know, I wanted to move out of my mom's house because, you know, living with Your parents sucks when you're in your 30s.

[Heidi]

But, you know, I wanted to make. I was like, I simply just want to make five grand a month.

[James]

Yeah, I remember. Can I please just make enough money to pay.

[Heidi]

I want to pay off their student loans. I want to pay off my debt. I had credit. What? When I say credit card, that's kind.

[Bonnie]

Of a form of manifesting what you totally done. I.

[Heidi]

A thousand percent. Oh, yeah. And we're about to pay off his student loans, and I don't know, just, like, I want to just take care of the responsibility stuff.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

Which we pretty much have done. My pool. Our pool's almost done, and I got to choose all this.

[Bonnie]

I can't wait to see that content.

[Heidi]

That's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be awesome, girl.

[Bonnie]

I always say the telltale sign of a healthy relationship is how much you guys grow together. And you guys have grown so much and just accomplished so much. I mean, you guys have been together for 10 years. That's an accomplishment in itself.

[Heidi]

Long time. It makes me feel, like, not old, but, like, damn.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[James]

Dude, I was her age. I was younger than she is now when we met.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[James]

And I was just like, wow, I can't believe it's been.

[Heidi]

Oh. And I always refer back to. Remember when you had that chocolate rich, chocolate brown hair?

[Bonnie]

And now it's gray, but, like, remember when it was rich?

[James]

So luscious.

[Heidi]

Now we've got this, like, luscious charcoal silver.

[Bonnie]

Jay's getting, like, grays in his beard. And it's hot.

[Heidi]

So hot.

[Bonnie]

I never thought I would think it was hot because I like younger dudes. Obviously, Jay's five years younger than me, but.

[James]

How old. How old are you?

[Bonnie]

I'm 43.

[Heidi]

That's. That's not even the same age. That's not even believable for me.

[Bonnie]

I love you.

[Heidi]

That's. No you. I think you told me, I don't know, last year, and I was like, no, no, no.

[Bonnie]

The Internet fights with me when I think I'm lying. And I'm like, I would pick any other. I mean, I love being 43. Don't get me wrong. I love being the woman that I am. But I would pick, like, you know, 36 if I was gonna lie.

[Heidi]

I said, like, my body stay in the 30s forever. And then my mentality. I wish I had the mentality that I have now.

[Bonnie]

In my 20s, we would have been bosses.

[James]

Completely different.

[Bonnie]

But the wisdom.

[Heidi]

Yes. But fighting through. Fighting through all of that, we wouldn't be here either. We Wouldn't appreciate it as much. Much so I think that's the gratitude is. Is just where it shines in. In my, in my. With my older age, quote, unquote.

[Bonnie]

Yeah, I love it.

[James]

You know, I wouldn't change anything. You know, even, like, Even though this is, like a huge thing or. And all the things that we've been through together, I wouldn't change anything because we wouldn't be where we are now.

[Bonnie]

We are so much closer together. Yeah, I love that.

[James]

It's a. It's been a hell of a ride, but I'm excited for the next next 10, you know, and the 10 after that.

[Bonnie]

Are you guys married or.

[Heidi]

No.

[Bonnie]

No marriage.

[Heidi]

Yeah. I mean, not yet.

[Bonnie]

Jay made me get married, or I would have never gotten married either. He'd love. He was like, but you. You're gonna marry me.

[Heidi]

We're so, like, low key on that. A lot years ago, people were like, you get to get married. I was like, let's get our house first. We have the house. And we're like, what?

[James]

Let's get. Let's get our cars paid off. Get this done. Let's get this done.

[Heidi]

We are engaged. And, like, that's good enough for me. And I, I. I feel like, like, you know, especially, like in the now it's just a piece of paper. But I will say the, The. The responsible part of me is like, I would if something happened medically.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

That kind of stuff.

[James]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

We'll figure it out.

[Bonnie]

Forbid. That will not happen.

[Heidi]

Yeah, we'll. We'll get there.

[James]

Not again.

[Bonnie]

He said not again. Well, thank you guys so much for coming on the podcast. Why don't you guys shout out your socials where everybody can find you? And if they don't follow you guys already.

[Heidi]

I was like, you.

[James]

You go first.

[Heidi]

Thanks so much for having me. Seriously.

[Bonnie]

Yeah.

[Heidi]

You're an angel, dude. I love.

[Bonnie]

Come back anytime.

[Heidi]

Can't wait to see you again.

[Bonnie]

You guys both come back anytime.

[Heidi]

Bless your heart.

[James]

Thank you so much.

[Heidi]

I'm Heidi Lavon. On every platform. H E I D I L O V O N. Literally just everywhere. There's no different spelling, so if you can find.

[Bonnie]

Say it with a French accent.

[Heidi]

It's this.

[James]

Oh, Heidi Leon.

[Heidi]

Heidi Leon. I don't know if that was French or Is that French?

[Bonnie]

I don't know.

[Heidi]

Yeah, or. Heidi lavon.com Heidi Lavon merch.com Heidi Lavon. I don't know.

[Bonnie]

Where's your only fans? Heidi Lavon?

[Heidi]

Heidi Lavon.

[Bonnie]

Okay, Bam.

[Heidi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bonnie]

James, do you have your own only.

[James]

Fans I do, so I can, you know, shoot stuff with her, whatever. But same James M. Ramsey. Or on Instagram, it's James Underscore M.

[Heidi]

Underscore Ramsey or James Marshall Ramsey dot com.

[James]

That'll take you to all.

[Heidi]

All of the stuff.

[Bonnie]

I love that. Again, thank you guys so much for coming on, and I cannot wait to see what the next 10 years brings you guys. But I need you guys to come back, like, once a year and give me an UPD update.

[James]

Of course.

[Bonnie]

Okay.

[Heidi]

Of course.

[Bonnie]

Promise?

[Heidi]

Yes, I promise.

[Bonnie]

All right. Awesome. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week.

[Heidi]

Bye.