TBT: Kail Lowry

Summary

Podcast Summary: Dumb Blonde – Episode "TBT: Gail Lowry"

Release Date: June 19, 2025

Hosts:

• Kailyn Lowry (Kailyn): Co-host of the Dumb Blonde podcast, sharing her experiences and insights.
• Gail Lowry: Guest on the episode, sharing her personal journey through teenage pregnancy, relationships, mental health struggles, and recovery.

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1. Introduction to Gail Lowry

Gail Lowry opens up about her life, providing a candid look into her experiences as a young mother navigating complex relationships and personal challenges.

Notable Quote:

"Life in general can be chaotic, but if you're in charge of order fulfillment for an E-commerce business, you know that its own special kind of chaos." ([00:00])

2. Early Life and Teenage Pregnancy

Gail discusses her upbringing, highlighting a tumultuous childhood marked by instability and her mother's struggle with addiction. At the age of 16, Gail becomes pregnant, leading her to participate in MTV's "16 and Pregnant."

Notable Quote:

"When I got pregnant at 16, 17 with Isaac, that was kind of her out, and she was like, you know, I'm wiping my hands clean of this and, you know, she never really was trying to be a mother to me ever again." ([09:13])

3. Experience on "16 and Pregnant"

Gail shares her experience on the reality show, emphasizing the exploitation of her life's hardships for entertainment. She explains how her participation affected her relationships and personal life.

Notable Quote:

"We exploited our entire life during this teen pregnancy for very crucial moments of your life." ([21:11])

4. Relationships and Domestic Violence

Gail delves into her past relationships, highlighting domestic violence inflicted by her ex-partner, Chris. She describes the cycle of abuse and trauma bonding, detailing the emotional and physical toll it took on her.

Notable Quote:

"There was several incidents. I compared him to his father one time while I was pregnant, and he choked me up against the side of my house." ([36:54])

5. Mental Health Struggles and Recovery

Gail openly discusses her battle with depression and suicidal thoughts, shedding light on her journey toward mental health recovery. She credits therapy and the support of loved ones for her progress.

Notable Quote:

"Once I got on a medication, I'm on Lexapro now and it started working, I just felt like myself again." ([05:11])

6. Moving on from "16 and Pregnant"

Gail explains her decision to leave the show, citing the negative portrayal and lack of comprehensive storytelling. She emphasizes the importance of sharing the full spectrum of her experiences, both positive and negative.

Notable Quote:

"I felt like I exploited my entire Life for 13 years, and MTV held no con. It felt like it was very unfair and not like a balanced situation." ([63:29])

7. Publishing Her Book "Pride Over Pity"

Transitioning from her podcasting and television experiences, Gail reveals her venture into writing. Her book, "Pride Over Pity," chronicles her life story, providing deeper insights into her struggles and triumphs.

Notable Quote:

"I talk about my mom's addictions. I talk about, you know, walking down the street to my uncle's house and asking for food." ([68:37])

8. PCOS Diagnosis and Health Journey

Gail discusses her diagnosis with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) two years prior, detailing the physical and emotional challenges it presented. She touches upon how this condition impacted her weight, mental health, and overall well-being.

Notable Quote:

"I had the crazy weight gain. I cannot lose weight for the life of me. High testosterone. I have cystic acne." ([66:11])

9. Current Relationships and Family Life

Gail shares her current relationship with Elijah, her partner, and reflects on her role as a mother to four sons. She highlights the dynamics of her relationships with her children, particularly her bond with her sons and their individual personalities.

Notable Quote:

"Over the last, like, year, and a half, we have become best friends. I am a parent first. I will always be a parent first." ([56:46])

10. Plastic Surgery Discussions

Gail candidly talks about her experiences with plastic surgery, including procedures like tummy tucks and liposuction. She discusses the physical and emotional implications of these surgeries, expressing both satisfaction and regret.

Notable Quote:

"The only regret that I have is not waiting until I was done having kids. Because I had the mommy makeover after my second son, but I really should have waited." ([75:11])

11. Closing Reflections and Future Plans

Gail concludes the conversation by reflecting on her journey of self-discovery and healing. She expresses her hopes for the future, including continuing her advocacy through her podcast and writing, while maintaining her focus on her family.

Notable Quote:

"And so I just want the privacy and to kind of just move on. They've asked me a couple times to come back, but I just don't. I'm so far removed from that now that I don't. I can't see myself going back to that show specifically." ([61:02])

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Key Takeaways:

• Resilience and Survival: Gail's story is one of enduring hardship and overcoming significant personal challenges, from teenage pregnancy and abusive relationships to mental health struggles.

• Mental Health Advocacy: Her openness about depression and therapy highlights the importance of seeking help and the impact of mental health treatment.

• Critique of Reality TV: Gail criticizes the exploitative nature of reality television, advocating for more authentic and balanced storytelling.

• Personal Growth: Her journey from a public figure to an author and advocate demonstrates significant personal growth and empowerment.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

1. "When I got pregnant at 16, 17 with Isaac, that was kind of her out..." ([09:13])
2. "We exploited our entire life during this teen pregnancy for very crucial moments of your life." ([21:11])
3. "Once I got on a medication, I'm on Lexapro now and it started working, I just felt like myself again." ([05:11])
4. "There was several incidents. I compared him to his father one time while I was pregnant, and he choked me up against the side of my house." ([36:54])
5. "I felt like I exploited my entire Life for 13 years, and MTV held no con." ([63:29])
6. "I talk about my mom's addictions. I talk about, you know, walking down the street to my uncle's house and asking for food." ([68:37])
7. "I had the crazy weight gain. I cannot lose weight for the life of me. High testosterone. I have cystic acne." ([66:11])
8. "The only regret that I have is not waiting until I was done having kids. Because I had the mommy makeover after my second son, but I really should have waited." ([75:11])

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This episode of Dumb Blonde offers a raw and unfiltered look into Gail Lowry's life, providing listeners with invaluable insights into her resilience, struggles, and triumphs. Gail's willingness to share her story serves as an inspiration for those facing similar challenges, emphasizing the importance of self-care, mental health, and personal growth.

Transcript

[Kailyn Lowry]

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[Gail Lowry]

I E what is Dadication? The thing that drives me every day as a dad is Dariana. We call him Day Date for short. Every day he's hungry for something, whether it's attention, affection, knowledge, and there's this huge responsibility in making sure that when he's no longer under my wing that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

He'S a good person.

[Gail Lowry]

I want him to be able to sit back one day and go, we worked together. We did.

[Kailyn Lowry]

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[Gail Lowry]

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[Kailyn Lowry]

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[Gail Lowry]

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[Kailyn Lowry]

Fox.

[Gail Lowry]

So get up there and throw, throw, throw them Dollars.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Dude, that is fucking iconic. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Don Blonde. Today we have a social media and real. How's that for an intro?

[Gail Lowry]

That's an intro. That's an intro.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Gail Lowry. How you doing, baby?

[Gail Lowry]

I'm good. How are you, dude?

[Kailyn Lowry]

I'm good. So she walked in, she's wearing a Metallica shirt. And for those of you who can't see, I'm wearing a Metallica shirt myself also. So I was like. As soon as she walked in, I was like, soul sisters.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

I love it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

What are you doing out here?

[Gail Lowry]

So I have three podcasts, and we did.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Hold on. Stop right there. Are you a psychopath?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay. Three podcasts. Like, I have one, and it. I'm tired of it. Like, literally, I don't know how you're doing. 3.

[Gail Lowry]

They're so different that I feel like I have, like, I don't know. I don't know how to. How to describe it. So one of my podcast co hosts lives in Atlanta, so we met in Nashville for content. And it's hard because my co hosts aren't. They're all over. I have one in Delaware, one by myself, and then one with one in Atlanta.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

So it's just a mess.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I don't know how you keep up with all the content, because I'm working my ass off, and I couldn't imagine having to put out three podcasts. All the social media content you do, being a mom, I mean, take, like, how do you do this, Kristen?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Does she run your socials or do you pretty much tell her what to put?

[Gail Lowry]

We do we. It's kind of we tag team. Like, if I can't get to it, or she knows that I have an appointment or I'm doing something else, she'll post. But, like, she doesn't read my DMs or anything.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right?

[Gail Lowry]

Like, I'll do that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, no, it's definitely. I know. I run all my too, and Mimi helps me with mine. And there's some days that I'm just like, I don't want to post.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah, no, that's me right now. I'm like, can you just do my stories? Because I don't want to do them. Like, I just don't feel like it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You just. Let's. Let's touch on that really quick because you just got back from Thailand, right?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I saw that trip. It looked amazing. I love that you have been so open with your mental. Mental illness battle, because I'm Very open about it too.

[Gail Lowry]

Like it's so hard.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Talk to me about him.

[Gail Lowry]

So last year I around, I would say around this time, maybe March, I, I just broke down. I was super suicidal in between Kristen and one of my other girlfriends. They were like we have to get you into the doctor. Like this, this can't go any further. And we made an appointment. My girlfriend Natalie came with me and they put me on antidepressants and they were like, you gotta try this. And I, you know, when the first one didn't work, I had to be open for the next one. And it's been really hard because I never thought that it would get to a. It would be unmanageable. Cuz I was kind of just handling it myself and like going through the ebbs and flows with it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

And then once I got on a medication, I'm on Lexapro now and it started working, I just felt like myself again. And it was so crazy because I never thought that I would feel like myself again.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I completely 100% relate to that. I went sober in 2017, off pills. Sober off alcohol in 2018.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh wow.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Had my first bout of suicidal depression in 2020.

[Gail Lowry]

And.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And when you, I say that you feel like your soul is tired.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like you don't want to be here anymore.

[Gail Lowry]

It's a, it's a tired that sleep can't fix. Right.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, and it's a scary tired.

[Gail Lowry]

It's so scary because you know, before I went through it I was just kind of like. I guess I looked at, you know, suicide and things like that. Like it, I, I couldn't understand it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I never understood depression.

[Gail Lowry]

Yes. And it didn't make sense to me. So when I finally went through it and then I came out of it, I was like, wow, that is a different type of tired.

[Kailyn Lowry]

No.

[Gail Lowry]

And you can't, you can't fix it by yourself sometimes.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Do you feel like it might have been postpartum for you?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. Cuz my fourth pregnancy with, you know, an ex of mine was very, very traumatic and the pregnancy alone wasn't planned and there was just a lot and I think that was like the onset of it. So then when after I had him, I think the postpartum kind of went untreated for some time and developed into some other things. So it was really difficult. But I'm, I'm happy that I was able to make it through.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that. So when you were going out to Thailand, you look like you were just living your best life.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

How was that cuz I've always wanted to go to Thailand.

[Gail Lowry]

First of all, you have to go. You have to go. If. If you. If it's on your bucket list, go.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

I cancelled the trip that I was supposed to go on the year prior because of depression. So when I finally got there, the entire time I just kept saying, I can't believe I'm here. Like, I cannot believe I was here. And it was the most. I did so much, I think every single day. I had multiple excursions because I was like, I need to make the best of this trip. Like, I have to do this.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

And it was really cool. And I took. I took Natalie with me, and she's also my nanny for my kids, so we don't get to do trips together or anything. And it was nice to have her. You know, we had a trip together without the kids.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. No, I mean, you've got four.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So I'm sure that was much, much needed.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that you say that. You can't. I don't love it. But you saying that you canceled a TR because of depression, like, I think people need to hear that, because I literally live my life around my anxiety. Like, even sitting right here, I'm, like, having trouble breathing. Like, you know, people don't realize when you're battling mental illness, it is a battle every single day to even get out of bed, take a shower, work, to do your makeup, to, like, do anything. So I think when people get to see women like you, who are so strong, so resilient, been through so much, be able to say, hey, you know what? I canceled a trip this year, but I went the next year and be able to see that. Like, I think that's what women need as role models nowadays, especially, you know.

[Gail Lowry]

I canceled it literally the day before I was supposed to leave.

[Kailyn Lowry]

That's. That's something I would do, literally. I try to cancel podcasts all the time.

[Gail Lowry]

Right.

[Kailyn Lowry]

He's like, no, you're not doing it.

[Gail Lowry]

And it was. It wasn't because I didn't want to go. It was. It was the depression. Right. Because I. I'm obsessed with travel. Like, that's, like, my thing, and people know me for traveling, and I just couldn't. I was like this. I. I cannot go. I cannot physically pack my bag and get on a plane and go. I just wasn't into it. So I love it. We made it happen.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that you were able to go and get through that.

[Gail Lowry]

It was good.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So let's rewind it back. Speaking of trauma, let's talk about your relationship with your mom. I think I saw some things online that you guys just really. There was a lot of similarities between my mom and your mom that just kind of triggered me a little bit. Like, can we talk about it?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. I haven't talked to my mom in years. I haven't seen. Seen her since 2016. I don't know where she lives. I don't know what she does. I don't know anything, so. And she doesn't know where I am, I don't think.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Was she. When you were a child growing up, like, what was your guys's relationship like?

[Gail Lowry]

I didn't always live with her. I kind of bounced around a lot. I was with like, family members, my grandparents, friends, and she. She's really struggled with addiction my whole life. And so it was one of those things where as a child, I longed for my mom. I wanted my mom to be there. I wanted her to be sober, I wanted her to be present, but she. She couldn't.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

So when I got pregnant at 16, 17 with Isaac, that was kind of her out, and she was like, you know, I'm wiping my hands clean of this and, you know, she never really was trying to be a mother to me ever again.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Where was dad?

[Gail Lowry]

I met him on 16 and pregnant in 2010. So I. That was the first and only time I ever met him.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wow. And he never came back around?

[Gail Lowry]

No. I mean, he actually emailed me while I was in Thailand and said, happy Birthday. And I opened it and I was like, what in the is this?

[Kailyn Lowry]

You're like, surprise, shorty. It's dad.

[Gail Lowry]

He's like, love you, dad. And I was like, you're not my dad. I don't know you. Yeah, like, I have no idea who you are.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So who, growing up, who was like your parental figure? Who did you look up to?

[Gail Lowry]

There was so much. Like, I. I spent a lot of time with my grandparents, and then, you know, as they get older, they couldn't keep up as much. So I really bounced around with friends, like, their. Their families took me in and I spent a lot of time with friends and. And my mom would drop me off and leave me for days, weeks on end, and never even so much as call. And now I look at it back and I'm just kind of like, she. She couldn't. Where before I would be mad, you know, I would be really upset and not understand. But as an adult, I mean, she's just battling her own stuff and she.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Just never got it together. I hate that.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah, that's terrible. Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So growing up you had, you know, you're at multiple family houses. You know, you're back and forth. How are you doing in school? Like, were you always a studious, you know, kid, or were you like more of just like rebellious like this? I'm just gonna do a little bit of both. Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

So there was a little like, I remember specifically in fourth grade, like being at school was what I looked forward to because it was kind of taking me out of being at home. And I really fourth grade, I was like, I'm getting this perfect attendance award. Like I have to do this. But then as I got older, I started to rebel a lot. You know, I got kicked out school, so I had to go to another school. My foster family at that point was.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, were you doing drugs and drinking?

[Gail Lowry]

I smoked a lot of weed, but I never drank because that was my mom's like first out. Like alcohol was her drug of choice. And then she dabbled in other things. So I, I have always really stayed away from alcohol.

[Kailyn Lowry]

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[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

How did that come about? I just want to touch base on it. I kind of want people to know your story, but that's such a big part of your story, you know?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. So whenever I was pregnant with my oldest son, I saw the first season of sixteen and Pregnant on mtv. And at the time I was living in this like two bedroom apartment with my mom in the middle of Pennsylvania. And I went on MTV.com and it was like casting and I was like, well, this is weird. So I just clicked on it and I put in my story that, like, my mom's never around. Yeah, Pregnant. And I'm Here. They called me about two weeks later, and they picked me. And I was just like. I didn't really say anything, so, like, what is the basis? But I guess they were interested.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So it was like divine intervention.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Literally. So weird, the childhood that you had led you on this path of.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Just like, beginning your entire journey in front of the world.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, that's crazy. So take me. Go ahead.

[Gail Lowry]

I was gonna say, like, just to think about signing these contracts when I was 17 years old.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right. With no parental guidance.

[Gail Lowry]

No parental guidance, no lawyers. I think, like, sane people would have lawyers look over their contracts.

[Kailyn Lowry]

How did. And how was that approved by MTV.

[Gail Lowry]

If they just said if my mom. If my mom signed off for me, it was fine.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wow.

[Gail Lowry]

And so my mom signed off on that and was like, I'm also done with custody. And signed it off to who? To my boyfriend's parents.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay, gotcha.

[Gail Lowry]

So then I moved in with them full time.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right. And then his mom was kind of crazy. Right.

[Gail Lowry]

Well, that was. That.

[Kailyn Lowry]

That. Wait, okay, so you moved in with Joe's parents?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. And they were, like, sane and, like, normal.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right. And then Javi's mom is the crazy one. Somebody's mom is crazy.

[Gail Lowry]

Who's. My mom's crazy.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay. Maybe that's what it was. Somebody's mom was crazy. Like I said, I didn't follow the. The teen mom thing. Like, that was never my jam. But I do know I did watch, like, the first, I think, one or two seasons. I think after you and Javi.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I kind of, like, fell off. I. Yeah, I just was out running the streets, doing drugs, but. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Just doing drugs. So you are 17. Your mom signs off on custody of you, you're pregnant, you're living with your boyfriend. Take me on this journey.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. So I. I just didn't. I didn't know what I was going to do. Right. So this. At this time, I switched high schools. I got kicked out of the first one. I went to the second one, and thankfully, because of their credit system, the second high school that I went to, I needed less credits to graduate. And so I was able to graduate in January of my. Of my senior year. So I was also due in February, so it worked out perfectly. And then I got to walk with my class in June. At that time, because pri. Like, right up to leading up to my pregnancy, I was doing really well. Like, that switch of high schools really turned my life around. And, I mean, aside from having sex, I played lacrosse. I was getting good grades, and, you know, I was really starting to be on the right track. And then, you know, I. I think it was more so me wanting to get. Seek attention from men. Right.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You were trying to find love from the people that never.

[Gail Lowry]

Because you left Joe's. Joe's mom did not want us together. He wanted him to, you know, focus on school, maybe go to college, do those things. And so he. She really didn't want us together.

[Kailyn Lowry]

But Joe always reminded me of an old man. Even. Even young. He was like a grumpy old man, you know? Am I wrong?

[Gail Lowry]

No, like, literally not.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, he just. I remember him always just being grumpy about something or looking grumpy.

[Gail Lowry]

The look. Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, for sure. So you have your first baby. Your mom's not there?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah, she did.

[Kailyn Lowry]

She didn't show up.

[Gail Lowry]

She came to the birthday.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay.

[Gail Lowry]

She did come to the birth because I went into labor and nobody was around. They were all working in another state, and so I was by myself. I called her. She did come. And then after the birth, I don't really remember her coming around too much until Joe and I broke up and I had nowhere to go.

[Kailyn Lowry]

How did you figure out how to be a mom? Did it just kick in?

[Gail Lowry]

No, I think I went through some then, too, because I remember sleeping on, like, the nursery floor and Joe's dad came in and was like, you have to leave this room. Like, you need to get up, take a shower, and leave this room. But I just, like, was struggling.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, you know, depression.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't know for sure because I never got treatment back.

[Kailyn Lowry]

We were a baby too. So you didn't know what to look for?

[Gail Lowry]

I don't even know if I had health insurance. I don't even know.

[Kailyn Lowry]

She's like, I'm just having kids.

[Gail Lowry]

I was just having babies.

[Kailyn Lowry]

That's so. Isn't it crazy that we can go through, like, traumatic ass and as kids and we're just like. I don't know how I got through.

[Gail Lowry]

It, but I fucking. No idea.

[Kailyn Lowry]

It's like we're wired to survive. Yeah, the human body is just wired to go.

[Gail Lowry]

Well, it's like surviving off of. You survive through survival or you survive off love. And I think you and I come from just surviving.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, yeah, Absolutely.

[Gail Lowry]

Pure survival.

[Kailyn Lowry]

No, look, I'm. I am a fighter by nature, so just everything I've been through, I automatically just want to fight. And I have an Aries moon, so I'm really toxic.

[Gail Lowry]

I have a Leo moon, so I'm also toxic.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that when Is your birthday March.

[Gail Lowry]

March 14th.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay. So you're Pisces.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Leo Moon. Oh, spicy.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

That's crazy because water puts the fire out, so you're probably constantly at work.

[Gail Lowry]

Always at war with myself all day long.

[Kailyn Lowry]

God, that's brutal. It's horrible. I want. I want to hug you. It's brutal. Baby. So moving on. You have your baby. You're living with Joe. You're on this show. What is it like doing this in front of millions of people? Did you think that all this was going to come with it? Like, all the people? I mean, you guys have some crazy haters.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, my God. I had some cult like haters.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I had Janelle on the part podcast.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, did you?

[Kailyn Lowry]

Years ago.

[Gail Lowry]

Okay.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Three or four years ago. And I'm telling you, the backlash I got, it was nuts. But I. I didn't care because, I mean, everybody has a story, right? And they deserve to tell their story. But you guys have, like this cult crazed demonic fan base. Like, they love the out of you.

[Gail Lowry]

Or they hate the. Yeah, yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, it's. And it's weird to me because at the time that you guys are on the show, you guys are babies, kids.

[Gail Lowry]

But they're judging the. Out of us. I remember one time I was warming up. It was my transition between breastfeeding and formula feeding. And I remember there's like a scene of me heating it up in the microwave. I got attacked. Like, I was the world's worst person because I put it in the. I didn't know any better. I was just doing the best I could. I had no clue what I was doing.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Nobody was helping, no guidance.

[Gail Lowry]

Nobody told me. I mean, not. I love Joe's parents to death, but they didn't tell me, you can't put formula in the microwave.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I didn't know you couldn't put formula.

[Gail Lowry]

I didn't know.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I just learned that right now.

[Gail Lowry]

I had no idea.

[Kailyn Lowry]

No idea.

[Gail Lowry]

So what do you want me to do? And these people are attacking me online. But, you know, the thing that sold me for, you know, teen mom from 16 and pregnant was the paycheck.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

We. We made $5,000 off of one episode of 16 and pregnant, and that was it. $5,000. And that's before taxes.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wow.

[Gail Lowry]

So we exploited our entire life during this teen pregnancy for very crucial moments of your life. I bought a piece of junk car just to be able to get around. I worked two jobs, I went to school, and nobody looked at that. It was just the fact that I heated up the formula and may or may not have eventually cheated on whoever at the time. You know what I mean? So those were. You're a horrible person and you belong in hell.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I. I just, I can't with the Internet. But I love that you brought up the fact of cheating because I do see a pattern. Like when you're in relationships and it's almost like, like you self sabotage.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, 100.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You feel like you do that. Do you think that is because of how you, you know, your upbringing and the trauma from your mom and your dad. So it's like I'm gonna hurt you before you can hurt me.

[Gail Lowry]

Absolutely.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Because I was always the cheater too.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. I mean, I've been cheated on.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, me too.

[Gail Lowry]

I.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Well, my thing is I push men until they cheat on me and then I'm like, oh, I'm out of here. You know, like, oh. Oh, how dare you. Even though I drove you to this.

[Gail Lowry]

Yes. Yeah, no, I'm there. I didn't cheat on Joe. Oh, I'm like lying. I did cheat on Joe. I definitely cheated on Joe. Wait, was it Joe? No. Jordan. I cheated on Jordan. I cheated on Jordan. I didn't cheat on Joe.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

But I got a lot of. I get a lot of. Because I do cheat. But I have cheated. But I also leave if I'm not satisfied or happy. And I think that people don't like that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

People don't like that I leave. I'm not gonna stay somewhere that I'm not happy.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

And so it does kind of.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You shouldn't.

[Gail Lowry]

Right. And so it does kind of look like a revolving door of men. But also, I know when and when not to introduce them to my kids. I know. You know, and there's people who date all the time and they don't get for it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Well, has anybody ever stopped to think that maybe you. And this is just me observing you are attracted to a certain type of man? So you're repeating cycles with each relationship that you get into. And, you know, until you're old enough to really start healing and understanding the healing journey.

[Gail Lowry]

Absolutely.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You're never going to be able to fix behaviors that you, you know, you're never going to be able to unlearn behaviors that you learned as a child until you actually go down that road.

[Gail Lowry]

Right.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You know, so you're getting into these relationships and it's the same dude, but a different body, and you're literally just repeating a cycle. People don't look at it like that.

[Gail Lowry]

They don't. You know, and I think they also are missing the childhood part, because MTV never focused on that aspect.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

And that's really hard because in order for you to understand someone's actions today, you do kind of have to look to their past to a certain degree. I mean, you can't use that as an excuse forever. Like, I wouldn't use it as an excuse now.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

But when I'm 17, 18, 19, of course, my childhood influenced that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, for sure. 100%. So moving on from Joe, you meet. You have Lincoln or Jordan.

[Gail Lowry]

I. I dated Jordan after Joe.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Joe's your first baby dad. Right. Okay.

[Gail Lowry]

I didn't have any kids with Jordan, but that was, like, a big story. Gotcha. And then I had Javi, which we got married.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay. Gotcha. So you had Lincoln with Joe. Right.

[Gail Lowry]

Had Isaac with Isaac with Joe. Lincoln with Javi.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Sorry. I'm going to get the kids. I'm going to get the kids down. I promise, guys. All right, so you had Isaac with Joe, and then you dated Jordan. And why was that? Why do you think that was such a big scandal for you?

[Gail Lowry]

Because I. So Jordan. I cheated on Jordan with Joe.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay.

[Gail Lowry]

Jordan caught us, like, literally in the actual. And then.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Nice.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, literally just getting banged out.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. In the shower.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, no. Oh. And there wasn't a crime of passion, so. Good Lord.

[Gail Lowry]

It was such a big scandal because it was while the cameras were not rolling.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, God.

[Gail Lowry]

So then Jordan takes me back. He's over it. We move on. We're doing great. And now the cameras are like. But now we need to reenact this. Oh, so now you need to retell him on camera that you cheated on him.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

So when I did that, it was kind of like, yeah, I cheated on you. What's up?

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right. Because you guys had already gone through all the emotions.

[Gail Lowry]

Right. And so people lost their minds and didn't realize that that was, like, a reenactment. And so.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And you can't say it.

[Gail Lowry]

No. Now that I'm not under contract. Yeah, whatever I want. Yeah. And so Jordan actually got re upset. And it was like, this whole thing, and I think we ended up being together maybe for, like.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Jordan got re Upset.

[Gail Lowry]

Ye.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Even though he knew it was, like, acting.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, yeah. He lost it again. As if it just happened.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay.

[Gail Lowry]

And I was like, is he a Pisces? He is.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I don't know. How did I know? I was like, he's got to be a water sign.

[Gail Lowry]

March 18th. So then we ended up staying together for maybe, like, another eight months or so. And then when we were kind of on that, you know, when you, like, break up, but you're kind of talking, but you're kind of not talking, but it's just, like that weird, lingering. Yes, it was that. But I met hobby Javi.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh. So I loved Javi. He was a sweet little nugget. No, she's like.

[Gail Lowry]

I mean, I could see why you think that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that.

[Gail Lowry]

So I meet Javi, we get married very quickly. Get married and pregnant. So then I'm pregnant at the Fertile Myrtle, which is weird because I also have pcos.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, we'll talk about that. That's in my notes, actually. Yeah. When did you find out you had pcos?

[Gail Lowry]

Two years ago.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay, so we'll get to that. Yeah. Okay. So you married Javi. You got pregnant right away?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah, I'm pregnant at the wedding. And it was okay for a little while, I think. But also, we were so young. I was. I think I. I wasn't even legal to drink at my wedding. So I don't think that we really had any business getting married that young.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I just see you searching for love in all the wrong places, as cliche as that sounds.

[Gail Lowry]

No, but literally.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Literally, just see, because you're. You're a Pisces, so you're already just a lover. I'm a Pisces Venus. I'm very passionate. I love love. I love, like, that exciting, chaotic feeling, you know? So I just see you, like, bouncing from, you know, person to person to just fill a void.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. And that's hard because I think he was also doing the same to some degree, but I. I'm very damaged. Right. It's really hard for him when his parents are still together. He kind of has an intact family. And now you're going to try to be with someone who.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You know, I've never had that.

[Gail Lowry]

Right, right. Like, what is that song that Lindsay played yesterday? Broken Broken Homes by Raelyn or Broken One by Raelyn? And she talks about, like, her being broken and being with someone who. Who's not broken and how hard that can be. Like, that's a real thing.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Well, it's easier to pull somebody down than it is to pull somebody up.

[Gail Lowry]

This is true.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You know, so. And I've. I learned that because I was always super toxic in relationships, it took my husband being my twin flame for me to want to completely change everything around. Well, let's. We'll talk about that on your podcast. So Javi and you get married, you guys have the baby. Take me on this journey.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. So we have Lincoln, and, you know, things were okay. He. He was. He didn't treat me so well while I was pregnant, and that was really hard for me.

[Kailyn Lowry]

What did he do?

[Gail Lowry]

It just was kind of like more so, like, I was on my own with the pregnancy. Like, didn't help me with, like, cravings or, like, he wasn't like the loving husband that you would anticipate when you're pregnant. You know what I mean? It was more like I was a single mom while I was pregnant. And he has addressed that. Like, he has apologized and things like that. But he was a little helpful, you know, when linking first came, he would let me sleep in on the weekend so that I could, you know, just catch up on whatever. But then he gets. Gets deployed, and I. I'm going to college to get my bachelor's degree. He gets deployed.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And I love that you're still staying in school.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And, like, you're just always on track, working towards a goal.

[Gail Lowry]

Because I knew this show wasn't going to go on forever, you know, And I.

[Kailyn Lowry]

To be so young and already thinking.

[Gail Lowry]

That and knowing that's the one thing that my mom taught me was no matter how up she was, she always worked.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

And, I mean, she was a functioning addict, so I always, like, she would go to work up, but she was going to work.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

You know what I mean? So, like, I saw that growing up, and so I was like, this show's not going to last forever. I can't be working at Sports Authority and the restaurant for my entire life. Like, this is not going to get me by. So I start going back to school, and I realize, wow, like, there's so many other people out here. Like, there's so many people. And he gets deployed. He has whatever he's going on over there. I had actually filed for divorce right before he left because he. We were fighting. We were going at it, Right. And he.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Nobody was cheating.

[Gail Lowry]

Nobody was cheating at the time. And I truly don't even think that we were cheating once I filed for divorce, because even once I filed and we were kind of going back and forth with, like, are we gonna make this work? Are we not? It's like, I did file.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

You know what I mean? So I think that was like, the big scandal was like, he tried to play this whole victim thing where I cheated. But you had something going on over there, you know, so.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Well, men always try to deflect.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, absolutely. Came out in a lie detector test on marriage boot camp.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wow.

[Gail Lowry]

So that was kind of like, why would you sit here after everything that I've been through and put it on me when this time I really didn't do. And, you know, we. We were doing the same thing. And I had filed, so it wasn't. It canceled each other out.

[Kailyn Lowry]

It takes two to tango.

[Gail Lowry]

Absolutely. But we went back, back and forth for probably a year. And then when we got back from marriage boot camp in 2016, we had the divorce decree in the mail.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So you are how old at this time?

[Gail Lowry]

24.

[Kailyn Lowry]

24. Two babies, one divorce, two baby daddies. What you doing, Kayl? What's next?

[Gail Lowry]

I got. I actually ended up. I believe we. I got pregnant with. With. With Lux before my divorce was finalized. And he, Javi, had to sign a. A paper saying that he was not the father because we hadn't been divorced for 365 days.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wow.

[Gail Lowry]

When I got pregnant.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Is this a law?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah, in Delaware. Like, it had. He had to sign off because we were still legally married, even though we had filed for divorce. And it was, like, under the separation. And so then I was with Chris, and that was by far my most. Most tumultuous and toxic relationship.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Was it domestic violence?

[Gail Lowry]

Absolutely.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, my gosh.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. It was a lot.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Can you take me on that journey? So you're already pregnant?

[Gail Lowry]

Yep.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You got the two babies?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. Do you have full custody of them in Delaware? Is 50. 50 automatic? Okay, so I have 50. 50, I think, with. With Lincoln, but I think Joe might have still. I don't think we were 50. 50 yet, but that's what we were working on.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right. Have they always stepped up? Joe and Hobby?

[Gail Lowry]

Always. They've always been like, when Joe, when we were both in Pennsylvania, he paid child support. He did what he had to do. Same for Javi, right off the bat.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Good.

[Gail Lowry]

So when I meet Chris, it was a very different story. It started off very toxic. And when you say started off very.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Toxic, what do you mean?

[Gail Lowry]

So I would say about six months in, I had already had a miscarriage with him.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh.

[Gail Lowry]

And at that point, I knew I had found out that he had two other girlfriends. Full time girlfriends. These are not side chicks. Like, we were not side chicks. All three of us were the main.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Is he a pants?

[Gail Lowry]

I don't know what the he is. He got a hammer. And that's what. That's. That's what's happening right now.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Is he getting money from the hose? That's exactly where my brain goes. I'm such a Vegas chick. I'm like, is he pimping? Okay. So he's got that sledgehammer oh, yeah. So do you want a drink, by the way?

[Gail Lowry]

I have some water.

[Kailyn Lowry]

We didn't even offer you anything when you walked in. We'll just sit down and dry talk.

[Gail Lowry]

So, yeah, he. I'm. I already have a miscarriage, and I am learning that he has two other girlfriends, and I find out while I'm pregnant with Lux, my son.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Did they know about you?

[Gail Lowry]

No, none of us knew about each other. The way that it was described to me was that these are his exes. And so we were kind of like an open book about it. And I'm believing that these are his exes, but lo and behold, the entire time he is in an active relationship with them.

[Kailyn Lowry]

How do men find the time?

[Gail Lowry]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, you're not. You're not that special either. So, like.

[Kailyn Lowry]

But I mean, like, was he living with you full time?

[Gail Lowry]

Yes.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay. So how was he having relationships?

[Gail Lowry]

I don't know. And I. I think it started because of when we first started. I was going through the divorce, right? So he was kind of breadcrumbing me, and I think that was a sign that I initially missed. So looking back, I'm like, okay, he would, like, essentially love bomb me for three days and then disappear for a week and then come back, and. You know what I mean? Things like that. So I was just like, what in the. So we go on a trip to Denver. He wanted to go to Denver. He wanted to do the weed thing, whatever. So it's me, him and his best friend, we go to Denver. And he gets so smacked that I'm like, let me. I'm gonna go through his phone. His phone is going off. Steady going off. I'm. I'm sleeping on the bed, and his phone's going off. I pick it up, and it's one of the girlfriends. So I go through the rest of it. He's got naked pictures, videos of them doing things, all kinds of. So I go out to dinner with my girlfriends, and I'm like, like, what do I do?

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wait a second. So you're laying in bed next to him, looking at this?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. And I'm plotting. Yeah. I'm just like, what?

[Kailyn Lowry]

How did you not say anything? I would have been like.

[Gail Lowry]

So wait, wake up.

[Kailyn Lowry]

We got some to talk about.

[Gail Lowry]

So I go to dinner with my girlfriends who live in Denver, and I. I'm like, what do I do? Like, I don't know. I don't want to, like, overreact or underreact. Like, I don't know. And I. They don't know. I'm pregnant, so I have to tell them I'm pregnant. And, oh, my gosh, I'm just like, what the. So I leave the dinner. One of my girlfriends is waiting outside, because she's like, I don't know what's going to happen, so let me just, like, you tell me the okay to go, and I'll go. And I throw the phone at him, and I'm like, what is this? And all hell. All hell breaks loose. And that's when I put them in a group chat, and I was like, hey, we're all the same, man. And then they. They're calling him, they're texting him. Everything is blowing up. This is where I get really toxic. I take his wallet, and he can't find it, and he has to go to the airport by himself, and he can't do anything with it. And I hide the wallet, and you have to go to the airport and figure it out.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I don't think that's toxic. I think that's karma. I like, I'm so. You're talking to the barking up the wrong tree over here. I'd have done way worse. I've done way worse than that, actually. Yeah, you are very composed.

[Gail Lowry]

And his friend doesn't leave me. His friend stays in the room, and we catch our actual flight while Chris goes to the airport and tries to. I don't know if he slept there. Like, I don't know what he did.

[Kailyn Lowry]

She's like, I don't give a. I have no clue.

[Gail Lowry]

I don't even remember seeing him in the airport the next morning. But we get home and we don't talk until. That was in December. We don't talk for at least a whole month. But the other girls are already back in his life. They're already. He's already them. They're his girlfriends again. The whole nine. I have no idea. He gets on his knees and shows up at my house and begs for me back. I take him back like a dumbass.

[Kailyn Lowry]

They always want the one that puts up boundaries.

[Gail Lowry]

And look, I have no idea that he's actually with all three of us again.

[Kailyn Lowry]

No.

[Gail Lowry]

And that's been going. He's still with one of them.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I don't understand how girls are just okay with that.

[Gail Lowry]

And she told me. She's like, I'm not going anywhere.

[Kailyn Lowry]

That is so weird to me.

[Gail Lowry]

So.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So you have the baby.

[Gail Lowry]

You have Lux.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Is he a present father?

[Gail Lowry]

Not really. And because it has. There's, like, domestic violence involved. In the beginning, he only Got four hour supervised visits every other week.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Where did the domestic violence come in?

[Gail Lowry]

There was several incidents. I compared him to his father one time while I was pregnant, and he choked me up against the side of my house. He choked me while holding our. His. Our son and several other things. He broke a window, he broke a door, like, trying to get to me. There's been so many things, and so I really didn't. And maybe you're familiar with this. I don't know if you've been in a domestic.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

I didn't really want to press charges or call on him. You know, like, I wanted him to change and pick me and be with me and be good and us be great. I didn't want to do those things. And so there was even a point where I, you know, the D. A called me and was like, what do you want to see from this? And I, I said, I don't think jail is going to help him. I said, he needs to go to a rehab center or some sort of therapy to help him. And that's what I was hoping he would get the help that he needed versus going to jail. And I think that was one of my mistakes. But he's also gone to jail and then called me from jail. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's like.

[Kailyn Lowry]

It's not really so toxic.

[Gail Lowry]

And I'm not saying that I was perfect because I've definitely probably pushed his buttons where I shouldn't have.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, I get it. Trust me. I was in a very, very ab relationship where I literally almost lost my life. And you. It's weird because you get. It's a trauma bond.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You get addicted to the chaos. Yeah. To the abuse and just like the making up and the, you know, like it's just a cycle that just doesn't stop. And I didn't want to call the cops on him either. I remember the cops came in our house one time and he had another girlfriend too, which. We'll talk about that on your podcast if you want to. But the cops came in the house. My eye is literally swollen shut. I mean, it's like sitting out this far. And he's like, do you want to press charges? And I'm like, no.

[Gail Lowry]

I also, I said no in the. The state press charges anyway. Yeah, that was for a separate incident. That was the most recent one that I finally pulled the plug, I guess.

[Kailyn Lowry]

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[Kailyn Lowry]

Right. It just probably got worse because it never gets better.

[Gail Lowry]

No, it doesn't. And you know, there was a time where I truly like, I texted someone who I later dated and I was like, he's going to kill me. And then I threw my phone under my bed because I thought if he gets my phone, I won't have any way to call for help. But you know, my ex, that we could talk about later if you want. He didn't get it because it was at 2 in the morning. You know, Chris had showed up to my house. We had this crazy situation happen. I literally thought I was going to die. And I think the only reason why I fought for my life, he literally, he put my face into the couch and was just smothering me. Into the couch while you're pregnant? No, I had, I already had my first son.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay.

[Gail Lowry]

But this was around the time that I got pregnant with my second son.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay.

[Gail Lowry]

And I don't know, I had never fought him before when he put his hands on me or, you know, abused me.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Can we talk about that though? When you get into an abusive relationship, you literally, there is a fire that comes up out of you and you're like, touch me one more time and I'm gonna kill you.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. So that, that night, I don't know what took over me, but that night I fought for my life.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

And I don't know, my son was upstairs sleeping and I just, I remember just like turning my head I a. A certain way and being able to like, gasp for air. And I still, I still did not want to call the police. I did. I was so just like, I want you to choose me. I want you to get better. You know, it was sick.

[Kailyn Lowry]

No, it's a very, very, very sick cycle that happens with, you know, relationships like that. And I don't think that people talk about it enough because it's one of the most up mind you will ever go through, ever. I've been away from my abusive, abusive ex for seven years now. And it, I'm still fighting, just healing and going through like emotions of having what happened to me, you know, it's. It's not easy. How long have you been out of it?

[Gail Lowry]

Two.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Two years. And what's crazy is a couple weeks ago he called me while we were in Texas and I had put him on speakerphone and he's like, and you need to get over it. Like, you can't keep talking about this. What did he say, Kristen?

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, My ex literally messaged me. When was it? Last year. And told me I don't want to be used as content because, like, I'll like.

[Gail Lowry]

But this is our story. Yeah. This is what happened to us.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I said, we're not talking about you, we're talking about the situation. I've never even said his name publicly. So nobody even knows who you are. Yeah. Then I've told him that, that. And he finally got to the point where he's like, well, just say my name. No, I'm never going to give you that clout, you know, Absolutely not. It's just a very toxic thing. And it's so up because it's like you really want to love this person and you have kids with him. So I could only imagine how hard that is because it's like, you want to have a family, you want that love, you know, with a unit. And it's just never going to happen because that's who they are as you know, to their core. That's the type of humans that they are.

[Gail Lowry]

I think that after that night was when I started my actual hardcore therapy journey.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

I got into with an emergency therapist and she kind of just like rocked my world. And, you know, I was with her for three and a half years, almost four years. Yeah. And if it wasn't for that, I would not be where I am. But I love. Thank God. I called 11 therapists to get in for an emergency appointment. I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen to me. Like, I don't even know how to. I'm here. She was the only one that called me back.

[Kailyn Lowry]

No, I have been. I literally have been in your same position where I Have felt so suicidal. I have. Like, I've been like, I need to talk to somebody. I need to figure this out. The mental health world is not helpful. No, it's not like they charge an arm and a leg. They don't.

[Gail Lowry]

I was paying a mortgage worth of therapy every single month.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

I mean, Kristen can tell you she sees my bank account every month.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I get it.

[Gail Lowry]

I'm like, you know, there's was periods of time where I had to go double, you know, two times a week. There was times where I went over an hour. There were, you know, you know what I mean? Like, just trying to get through this. And for him to still say, like, you gotta get over it, you gotta.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Get over it, move on, that's something within him.

[Gail Lowry]

And. Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And as he feels guilty for what he did to you, and heaven forbid he wants to feel guilty, you know, like it's gonna trigger him to be like, well, you need to get over it because I don't want to hear about it anymore because I don't want to feel it. Believe it or not, they narcissists do have. Have a guilty conscience when it comes to things that they do because they hate looking like the bad guy. They don't want to be made to look like the bad person. So when you are out speaking your truth, it's making them look bad. And even if somebody, well, in your case, they do know who he is. So he really hates it because he's like, oh my God, I'm looking bad to all these people. You know, how dare her shame me in front of all these people.

[Gail Lowry]

Right.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You know, so it's a guilt of them not wanting to feel bad about themselves because their ego, it's all ego. Trapped, driven.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So that night you go on your spiritual journey. When do you find out you're pregnant with your second kid?

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, God.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Because you weren't pregnant at the time.

[Gail Lowry]

I don't know. Yeah, I didn't find out until the next month.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay, gotcha.

[Gail Lowry]

So the next month it was on my son, my second son's birthday that I find out that I'm pregnant now with my fourth.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

And I was so distraught and upset. I had never been in a situation where, you know, I already had a child with someone with the same person and I wasn't in a place to have another child. I was going through so much, you know, with within myself. So I made an appointment to get an abortion. And you know, love me or hate me for that, but that was something that I had to do for Myself. And Kristen went with me. She drove me. And when I got there, I said, I need to look at the screen. Screen. I need to see if I'm going to connect with this baby. Because I was at the borderline of, like, where you can no longer get one, because I needed all this time to think. And then at that point, I was already feeling guilty because I had waited so long because I couldn't make the decision. And I felt like it isn't fair for me to bring this baby into this situation, but also.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Terrible situation.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. And it just felt like it was wrong. And so I'm, you know, not really entirely sure what I should be doing. What's the right thing to do? And I looked at the screen, and I was like, I'm not gonna go through with this abortion, and I'm going to do the best I can and raise this baby. And, you know, it. Whatever happens, it's gonna be okay.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And this is Cruise.

[Gail Lowry]

This is Creed.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Creed. Sorry.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Your fans are gonna come for me.

[Gail Lowry]

Cruise is cute, too.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Agreed. I swear I have all this in my notes. I'm just trying not to look at my notes while I talk to you. Okay. So you have. You, you know, have this epiphany while you're in the abortion clinic, which is pretty profound. I love that. Because I actually had an abortion when I was 16, and I told. We'll talk about this on your podcast, but it's kind of like the same situation. And mine was a little too late, though, so.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, wow.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. So we'll. But we'll. We'll take. Definitely talk about that. You're pregnant with your second baby with this dude?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

What does he say?

[Gail Lowry]

I really thought at some point that he was turning over a new leaf. He, like, wrote me a Christmas card and was like.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So it's the dog across the street. Oh.

[Gail Lowry]

I was like, is that a baby crying?

[Kailyn Lowry]

What is happening?

[Gail Lowry]

No, it's the dog across the street.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So he always does this.

[Gail Lowry]

That's so funny. Literally, I'm like, okay, he. He's. He's gonna turn over a new leaf. He's gonna. You know, at some point, this is going to make him realize what he wants, what he's done, how we're gonna get through this.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Isn't it crazy how you've given the most chances to the most toxic man?

[Gail Lowry]

Yes, I always say that. And I loved him the most. I loved him so hard.

[Kailyn Lowry]

But it wasn't really love. Or was it a trauma bond?

[Gail Lowry]

It was absolutely a trauma bond. Yeah, absolutely.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Because we crave that. That you guys probably had really passionate sex.

[Gail Lowry]

Absolutely. The best sex. Yeah. The best sex.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I swear, the most. Domestic violence relationships have the best sex. I've always said that. And it's like you get addicted to just that person.

[Gail Lowry]

Well, and I thought the sex was so good. So when I'm talking to my therapist about it, she's like, kale. But is it. She's like. Or does he deprive you of everything else in a relationship? And so you think that's the best because that's the only time you're connected. And then when I think about it, I was like, wow. Like. Like, we could be fighting, but I would have sex with him so that we could connect and really be.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Get over it.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. And. And. And she was right. Like, it probably wasn't that great. I need.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I need your therapist. Can I have her number?

[Gail Lowry]

So, yeah. I.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So you thought he. He turned over?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. He writes me this Christmas card, and he's, you know, he's like, I know this wasn't great, but we're going to. We're going to be fine. We're going to do okay.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

We still didn't really try to have a relationship from that point forward, but it was more so, like, I felt like he was nicer to me.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Well, he probably knew that he had to be.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. And so there was still times where it was not great. And I didn't think that I was going to have him at the birth because I thought it was going to be just traumatic and, like, something that I knew that I could never have is, like, this family.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Are you still filming during this time?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wow.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. So I'm trying to hide it, but also I'm so angry and upset that I'm also telling parts of it and I'm not telling the whole story, and I don't know how to navigate it, because I do owe the show, you know, I do owe them my life. I owe them, you know, my privacy, really. But I'm also trying to protect him to some degree, but also tell my story. It was very difficult. And so I really started to run into problems with filming at that time, because he was pissed. Don't talk about me. I don't want to be on the show. You know, the whole nine. So I tell him I really don't want him at the birth. And. But ultimately I was like, you know what? I can't not have my son's father there. Like, he deserves to be there for his son. Maybe if he watches me Give birth again. He'll want to just make this work.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Because nothing turns a guy on like a placenta.

[Gail Lowry]

Right, right, right. So I'm thinking, like, him being there will just change his mind, and. Absolutely. It could not be more far from the truth.

[Kailyn Lowry]

What happens?

[Gail Lowry]

He. He comes to the birth. He was fine, but then, you know, he just decides that he's just gonna kind of come and go and show up and leave as he pleases. Like, I think I gave birth, and he left, like, two hours later. Was he.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Is he still. He's still dating the other two girls?

[Gail Lowry]

Well, no, just the one.

[Kailyn Lowry]

The one.

[Gail Lowry]

Okay. Yeah. So they have a child together now.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, nice.

[Gail Lowry]

And he ends up getting her pregnant. Shortly thereafter, I had, you know, our second son. And so that was, like, a whole other thing.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And that's got to be crushing you.

[Gail Lowry]

It. That was hard for me. That was really hard for me to learn that, you know, he was having a baby with her. I. I had a mental breakdown that day. And then I was like, you know what? Here's the thing. I don't date men with kids. And if it wasn't for that, I don't think that I would be done with him today.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wait, hold on. You don't date men with kids, but you want men that don't have kids to date you?

[Gail Lowry]

But I understand if they won't.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

I. Like. It's a personal preference.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that.

[Gail Lowry]

But I. I come with so much baggage.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You're like, I don't need yours.

[Gail Lowry]

I don't need yours as well. So, yeah, I like them without kids.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And so for any of the men who want to slide up in Kale's dm, if you guys have any little tater tots, any crotch goblins. Do not.

[Gail Lowry]

So, yeah, I find out shortly thereafter that he is having a child with her. And I promise you, I had my mental breakdown. I called my therapist on an emergency basis. She talked me through it. I, like, basically blacked out. I don't even remember what the conversation was. From that point forward, I accepted that he was having this child, and I never looked back. I never looked trauma.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I'm the same way. If I get hurt, it's like I will stonewall and literally just keep going.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, I'm not looking back.

[Gail Lowry]

Right. And so from there, I mean, I've never hooked up with him. We don't hang out. We don't talk. We're not friendly. There's, like, one or two friendly times that we've tried to be cordial, but it ultimately Just goes to every time. So, like, we're never on good terms.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I'm proud of you.

[Gail Lowry]

It's hard.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I'm really proud of you. You've been through a lot of it's been.

[Gail Lowry]

I've lived a hundred lives. Lives in 30 years, I think. Yeah, but you have two.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I think you need. Don't deflect. Accept the compliment you really are deserving of. And I'm proud of you because coming from somebody who didn't have anybody to show them how to live. You have four beautiful babies.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. And they're everything. Oh, my God. They're everything.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. So I heard you had them on a podcast and was it Isaac that said something crazy and you. Like, everybody came. Came for you? Because probably I think they said. I think the article I read said that Isaac and you were on. They. All the kids were on the podcast and I. You said something about, like, do the people I date bother you? And he said, well, no, not at all. And he. Then you said something. And then he said, well, I just know you for having babies with everybody or something like that. And I didn't think that was wrong.

[Gail Lowry]

He's not. He's not wrong.

[Kailyn Lowry]

But for everybody to make such a big deal about, it was crazy.

[Gail Lowry]

You know, they love to make something out of nothing.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

But it's funny. My kids, they just fry me up on a regular basis. And I love it because I'm like, I can take it. And these are. These are truths. Like, I have three baby dads, and that's the truth.

[Kailyn Lowry]

So I love that.

[Gail Lowry]

But no, they're so funny. My. And especially my third son, he humbles me every day of my life.

[Kailyn Lowry]

When's his birthday?

[Gail Lowry]

He's a Leo. He's August 5th.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, yeah. I bet you he loves the shit out of you, though.

[Gail Lowry]

He's my ride or die.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Through and through. Like, I can. I know if I was to go to jail and he's an adult, I know he would call, he would answer on the first ring. You know what I mean? Like, he's my ride or die.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, that's. That's love. The mama's boy.

[Gail Lowry]

Yes.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I feel like Isaac kind of grew up with you.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

How's you guys relationship?

[Gail Lowry]

We struggled for a little while. We were bumping heads and he's a lot like me. He's a lot of the things as a child in myself that, you know, I see qualities of him that I hated in myself as a kid. But I would say over the last, like, year, and a half, we have become best friends. And, you know, I'm a parent first. I will always be a parent first, and I tell him that. But I also want him to trust me. I want him to be able to tell me all the things. And so he will sit there and he'll spill the tea about all the seventh graders at school and, you know, what's going on. And, you know, I just love the out of him. And I am proud of him, but he. He's. He challenges his, you know, everyday things that, you know, kids are expected to do. He will challenge them a little bit. And I. I'm actually really proud of him for it because I feel like kids don't do that enough in a. In a respectful way.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

And so he'll challenge, you know, like, you know, why do I have to do this? Or, you know, things like that. And I just. I think that he's gonna do big things.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that. What about Lincoln? Because he kind of grew up with you too.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah, he did.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Lincoln's a little different. Lincoln is. He's just like a little athlete. He's a man's man. He's always into sports. That's his. That's a daddy's boy.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. His. That's hobby's boy.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Oh, yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Which is. Okay. I. That's. That was a little hard on me. There was a little bit of a period where I was like, this really sucks.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Because I feel there's something different about a mom and her sons versus, like a mom and her daughters.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And normally it's. They're not daddy's boys.

[Gail Lowry]

Right. And so they're like more of like mommy's boys. But he. And so I struggled with that a little bit, but I think he'll become.

[Kailyn Lowry]

A mama's boy the older he gets.

[Gail Lowry]

Okay, well, I'm hopeful for that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

When he starts getting, like, girlfriends and stuff like that.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, yeah. Because he has a little girlfriend. And he'll be like, can you take us here? He won't dare ask his dad. Oh, so I'm like, right now?

[Kailyn Lowry]

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[Kailyn Lowry]

Well, I love that. So moving on. I read an article that you had that you were ready to break ties with, you know, teen mom and you did not want that stigma around you anymore. What led to that?

[Gail Lowry]

It was a really hard decision for me, but I had been really struggling with the fact that I went through such a public divorce and then like the stuff with Chris was so messy. My kids are getting older, you know, Isaac really didn't want to film anymore so I was just kind of feeling like maybe this is time for me to move on and it would have been cool if they kind of showed the whole picture but they were so focused on showing the traumas with myself and my kids dads and that's not My whole story.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

You know, there. There's a lot that goes into being a mom, being a single mom. They didn't really want to cover any of the good stuff. And I think you do have to cover the good with the bad. And I understand that drama sells on TV and you want to exploit, like, the craziest stuff because that's what's going to make money. Funny. Right? But if people don't know the whole story, who gives a about that? Yeah. And so I just got to a point where it just was too much. You know, the cast and I, we. None of us were getting along. My kids didn't want to film, and so I just wanted the privacy and to kind of just move on. They've asked me a couple times to come back, but I just don't. I'm so far removed from that now that I don't. I can't see myself going back to. To that show specifically.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Perfectly right. Maybe like a spin off of your own.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, absolutely.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You got enough kids to keep everybody. To keep everybody interested. Did you want to talk about the lawsuit with Bri or no, I don't care.

[Gail Lowry]

We could talk about it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Is that. Was that one of the pivotal things that also made you leave the show?

[Gail Lowry]

You know what? I. There was so much with the lawsuit, for one. I really just wanted to prove a point that you're not going to continue to. With me and get away with the this. You know what I mean? The other thing, too, was that I felt like I exploited my entire Life for 13 years, and MTV held no con. Like, they've threatened to find me for thinking that I sold this In Touch article back when I was with Jordan in 2012. They threatened to find me, but they're not going to threaten to find her for, you know, threatening to spit on me to, you know, know her sister assaulted me. Nobody gets fined. So I just felt like it was very unfair and not like a balanced situation. It kind of turned into Bad girls club. Right. And so I was just like, this is not me anymore.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I've learned because I had Honey Boo Boo on Alana and Pumpkin.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And there was so much abuse that the TV people have, you know, covered up. And it's like. Like I almost feel like in this day and age, what was happening with you is kind of like, illegal. Like, there's a lot of domestic violence going on behind the scenes. They didn't do anything to help it. And I'm sure they knew or had an inkling of something was going on, you know, they're exploiting teenagers, right? Like, that's really rocky waters, you know, so they don't really have your best interests at heart. So that doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't find her. But try to find. Define you.

[Gail Lowry]

It just, it felt like it was backwards, right? And I, I paid my dues in the industry. I don't.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You know, that's a long time.

[Gail Lowry]

And we're talking divorce, cheating scandals, STDs, the whole nine. And you can't even say, like, this is unacceptable and, you know, do something about it. There was no regard for or human decency. It felt like. Yeah, and so that was one of the turning. Yeah, I would say so.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, that was one of the turning points, definitely. And then, Then you ended up. The judge ended up throwing it out, right? Or something like that.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. What was it like a throw out? Not enough evidence or essentially nobody won. I had to pay her lawyer fees.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You just feel helpless because it's like nobody has your back.

[Gail Lowry]

And then she sent me like a treadmill and then a clown suit.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Have some couth. So moving on. You had mentioned earlier that you had pcos. When did that come. Come into play? When did you find out that you had that?

[Gail Lowry]

Two, I think two years ago. I don't know why I was. Why did I get tested for that?

[Kailyn Lowry]

The weight. And also just like crazy, period.

[Gail Lowry]

Okay. So I tmi, but I like bleed through everything. So like, I you not. I could put a tampon in and bleed through my entire outfit in 20 minutes.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Poor baby.

[Gail Lowry]

So it's just like crazy. I'm all over my mattress. Long story short, that and like the weight, Weight. The weight gain. I was working out religiously and not losing anything. I was eating right, like, doing what I needed to do and nothing would come off. So two years ago I go get like the blood test and everything else like that, and it comes back that I have pcos, which is really weird because I have no problem getting pregnant. There was a small window where I had secondary infertility and then.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You infertile, right.

[Gail Lowry]

You're like, wait a minute.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I mean, that's a good thing now, isn't it? No, I'm just kidding.

[Gail Lowry]

So, yeah, there was like a small window where I had what we thought was secondary infertility. And then so I had back to back miscarriages and then randomly got pregnant with Lux Creed and you know what I mean? So it was just. Even now it feels weird to say that I have pcos because I'm not like the typical like poster child for pcos.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. I think every case is different. Mimi has pcos. Pregnancy can cause pcos. So you could have not had it.

[Gail Lowry]

I don't think I always had it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. And so one of your pregnancies could have caused it.

[Gail Lowry]

Really?

[Kailyn Lowry]

So you wouldn't have the infertility of it that, like, you could kind of struggle.

[Gail Lowry]

Like you said, you had a little.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Bit of struggle with it, but your pregnancy could have brought on all that. Because saying that your PCOS isn't just like a black and white thing. It's so broad.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. Because.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. Your pregnancy could have caused.

[Gail Lowry]

Wow. I didn't know. See, I don't. I didn't know that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, no, Mimi knows a lot about it. That's why I was curious about it.

[Gail Lowry]

It.

[Kailyn Lowry]

To see what your journey was. Because I've seen her journey.

[Gail Lowry]

So I have, like, the crazy weight gain. I cannot lose weight for the life of me. High testosterone. I have. I had the crazy acne, like cystic acne. I took Accutane for five months. I'm trying to think what else I have.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Your skin looks flawless.

[Gail Lowry]

This is from Accutane, girl. This is from acc.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I've been looking at that skin this whole time you've been sitting there. I'm like, good Lord.

[Gail Lowry]

I don't even. I. I. Accutane really put me through hell. But it was worth it because mentally. Oh, yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Do you think that might have been what triggered your depression in 2020?

[Gail Lowry]

Well, because when did I go on Accutane? Before or after Lux?

[Kailyn Lowry]

Because I've heard nothing but nightmare shit from about Accutane.

[Gail Lowry]

I didn't really. Before, Yeah. I didn't really struggle long term. Once I stopped the five month treatment, everything went back to normal. But it was just during that time, I think, you know, my mental health just kind of the ebbs and flows. I don't really.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And your body's been through a lot.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. For sure. And coming out of a domestic violence relationship, too, like that will.

[Gail Lowry]

Literal.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Hell, yeah, totally. New York Times bestseller. Take me on this journey. Boo.

[Gail Lowry]

Okay. So I'm very proud of you. I didn't think that I would ever actually get to publish this book, right. So I'm writing on my laptop, my 600 Toshiba laptop that I got from at Best Buy when I was like 20, right. And I'm typing on it and I'm like. It's basically like a diary. Like all this that I've gone through, you know, my family story. And I don't know how the to publish a book. Right. So I'm like, what the am I gonna do? And I reached out to, like, five or six publishing houses, which, by the.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Way, let me cut you off. They're like a cult. Because I'm. Yeah. I'm, like, in the process of trying to write a book, too, about my life story.

[Gail Lowry]

Story.

[Kailyn Lowry]

They. If they don't, they will not just accept anyone.

[Gail Lowry]

No, they. Five publishing houses turned me down before. Five or six of them turned me down before. The only reason why I actually ended up getting a book deal was because at the time, MTV had a book department.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

So MTV Books put me in touch with a publisher who finally was like, all right, we'll. We'll take a risk here.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

And so I was the first. Or second. I think Farah had her book out. First. First. Has she been on the podcast yet?

[Kailyn Lowry]

No, but I can't wait.

[Gail Lowry]

And she scheduled. She needs to come home.

[Kailyn Lowry]

No, I want her so bad. Just because she's a lunatic. Dude. I love it, though. I'm all for it.

[Gail Lowry]

So I get. I get the book deal, and, you know, we did the whole book tour thing, and it was really cool because that. There's so much in there that I didn't get to show on the show. And so people really finally started. Started to understand why I was so up at the time.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And what's the name of the book?

[Gail Lowry]

Pride Over Pity.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Okay.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. So I talk about my mom's addictions. I talk about, you know, walking down the street to my uncle's house and asking for food. You know what I mean? So there's, like, a lot of stuff in there that I actually. I don't even know if that's in there, but there's just so much in there that the show didn't get to.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Right.

[Gail Lowry]

So.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Which I feel like the show would be way more successful if they did show all that, because people would actually have empathy.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, 100. Because I think. And that goes for everybody on this. On the show, not just me, you know, how did Chelsea become Chelsea? She became the face of the franchise. How did she. You know, her. Her dad's a doctor or dentist. Like, what was that like for her? You know? What, did she grow up wealthy? Did she. You know what I mean? Did she have a great start? Did she have a support system? Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, I don't know any of you guys. Backstories. I just know that the children that you had.

[Gail Lowry]

Right.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You know, the arguments.

[Gail Lowry]

So it would. It would have been really cool for them to, you know, at Least do a couple episodes, you know, but they just never. They never really touched on it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

But you got it all out in the book.

[Gail Lowry]

I did.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And then you wrote another one.

[Gail Lowry]

I wrote three more.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Three more?

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I only saw two. Do tell.

[Gail Lowry]

So I wrote, you are busy.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Good Lord.

[Gail Lowry]

Well, I. Because I'm so afraid of being poor again.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Like, I'm so.

[Gail Lowry]

Hello.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I fucking. I literally will hold on to money like a hoarder.

[Gail Lowry]

Literally. Well, and there was a time where I was having, like, shopping problem because I was like, I have the money. But now I'm back to, like, me trying to, like, just remember my roots, but I'm so afraid of being broke. Like, I grew up, you know? Like, I. I don't even. I didn't have food. You know what I mean? So my mom didn't keep food in the house. So I never want to go back to that, and I don't want my kids to go back to that. So I write three more books. One's a children's book book, and I'm hoping to do another one. So hopefully within the next year we'll, you know, start working on that. But, yeah, it's a lot harder than you think, especially now, because everything is just like, listen to a podcast, you know, read. Go on audible, or, you know, listen to a book or whatever it is.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And I call it the Microwave era.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah. People don't want to. They don't want to wait. So they just want instant.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yep. Instant gratification.

[Gail Lowry]

Always.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Well, girl, I'm proud of you. Three books, because I only had two in here. Plastic surgery. That's the last thing we'll talk about, because I know, listen, I get it all the time. Everybody's like, what did you have done? And, like, you know, just. Even if you have fillers and in your face, people call you plastic. I love that you're so open with your plastic surgery. So am I. Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

No, I love plastic surgery.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Me too.

[Gail Lowry]

I'm like, the. The only regret that I have is not waiting until I was done having kids.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Because I had the mommy makeover after my second son, but I really should have waited because I could definitely go for another. Well, anyone wants to.

[Kailyn Lowry]

If anyone wants to fund it. And you don't have any kids.

[Gail Lowry]

Right?

[Kailyn Lowry]

Make sure you don't have any kids. No, I love that you're very open with your journey, because so am I. And I'm like, dude, I can't wait to get a facelift. I'm so ready.

[Gail Lowry]

No, I was literally. I'm like, Does Chris. What does Kris Jenner have? Because I want whatever she. Hers is nice and precise.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Baby's blood is what she drinks. She has to because adrenochrome.

[Gail Lowry]

And I was watching Game Show Network and I'm like, leah, Remy got something done somewhere.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. I'm like, what her JLo. Everybody looks so good, Kim. Kim Kardashian looks amazing. They all look great. Everybody gets nip tuck in the world. I mean, like, if you can afford it, they're getting it done.

[Gail Lowry]

Oh, yeah. Or comped.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. For promo or whatever. Yeah. No, I love that you're. You had that journey. So you had a tummy tuck and what else have you had?

[Gail Lowry]

BBL lipo. 3:60. Yeah, I've had lip fillers. I get dysport religiously. Yes.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I can't live without Botox.

[Gail Lowry]

No, I love it. I actually just missed my appointment. Oh, yeah. I know.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I have a really good girl out here if you ever want to use her. She's amazing.

[Gail Lowry]

Okay.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Jess at the aesthetic parlor. She's amazing. I had a BBL done. It wasn't a full BBL done, but I had high def vas or lipo on my stomach. And then they put a little bit at the top of my ass because I was starting to get my mom. Mom's ass.

[Gail Lowry]

Okay.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I don't love the BBL trend.

[Gail Lowry]

I don't love it. I want it removed kind of immediately.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Same. I'm the same way if I could. Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Gravity is kind of pulling it down a little bit.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. I think what they don't tell you whenever you're getting a bbl and I want to make a tick tock about this is one. It makes it harder for you to lose weight. People don't realize that. Did you know that?

[Gail Lowry]

Absolutely not.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Girl. I battle. I work out four to five times a week and. And my girl Viking Barbie, who's beautiful, you can look her up. Her. And I have the same nutritional coach. It took me probably five times more working out and longer to lose the fat on my hips and around my ass than it did her because she's never had work done to her body. And when you have lipo, fat doesn't go to that area anymore, but it spreads out and goes to other areas.

[Gail Lowry]

Where there's fat cells.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yes. So it's. It doubles. It's harder to lose. Like, it's just not.

[Gail Lowry]

So. Dr. Miami did mine.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Wow.

[Gail Lowry]

And he said. I asked him about it and he was like, when you gain weight, you're going to gain weight wherever Your fat cells are right. Which. He moved them to my butt. My butt has grown exponentially.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

And I also had. When I did the BBL and I did the LiPo360, I wanted everything to match because I felt like I can't have a huge butt. And then, like, my arms and my waist, or my arm, my. My waist to be small, my arms to be big. So I had it in my arms. My butt and my arms have grown and insane. But, like, now what? Now I don't know what I can do about it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah, now.

[Gail Lowry]

And the gravity pulls down your butt a little bit and it just looks crazy. And I can't find jeans that fit me. It's insane. So I don't know if I would have to get lipo, but then would it be, like, lumpy?

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. No, there's, like, one that they don't warn you about. Plastic surgery. Once you start getting it, the upkeep is insane. The fact that I've been able to keep my results for the past seven. Wait, 20, 15. I got it done. Yeah. So about seven years. Seven or eight years. Eight. Eight years is insane. And I've had to really work my ass off to keep my results.

[Gail Lowry]

Totally.

[Kailyn Lowry]

And. But my ass and my hips have widened so much from just having work done. Like, it's. I don't know, it's just crazy. You're just literally always chasing it.

[Gail Lowry]

That's so weird. Okay, so that's good to know. I. I don't even know what I'm going to do.

[Kailyn Lowry]

We'll figure it out. I mean, I'm sure they'll come out with a new thing, but. Yeah. Just before you get plastic surgery, do all your research. Everybody's body is different. But, you know, just from my experience, it has been so hard for me to lose body fat. It's been crazy.

[Gail Lowry]

I maintained it for a long time, but I got pregnant the same year that I got my. My mommy makeover.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

So that was my biggest, biggest mistake. I should have, you know, had all the kids I wanted to have and then got it.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

Because then you can maintain it for as long, at least you. The results would have held longer, I think, for me.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

But hopefully, you know, in the next year or so, I'll be able to get a new mommy makeup.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah. Maybe they'll come out with a new procedure and we can all just get it right. Are you gonna have any more babies? Are you open to having more babies?

[Gail Lowry]

I am in a relationship now, and, you know, I. Yes.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Are we allowed to know who. You're in a relationship.

[Gail Lowry]

His name's Elijah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yeah.

[Gail Lowry]

And he is. We're gonna talk about it on my podcast. But he's younger than me, so we have that in common, I think. Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yep.

[Gail Lowry]

Yep. So, you know, he. He deserves kids of his own.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that.

[Gail Lowry]

Yeah.

[Kailyn Lowry]

I love that. You're just. You're just gonna make your own little football team.

[Gail Lowry]

I have to.

[Kailyn Lowry]

You gotta have a girl, though. You need a girl.

[Gail Lowry]

We'll see.

[Kailyn Lowry]

It's time. Because, I mean, you got some of four boys. You need two twin girls. I'm speaking it into your life.

[Gail Lowry]

Please do that.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Carol, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You're a real doll.

[Gail Lowry]

I love you, dude.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Please come back. I love you. I will.

[Gail Lowry]

I absolutely will.

[Kailyn Lowry]

All right, shout out where everybody can find you if they haven't been able to find you already.

[Gail Lowry]

Haven't found me. You don't know who I am. At Kayl Lowery on all platforms.

[Kailyn Lowry]

Yay. That's pretty simple. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.