TBT: Kristin Cavallari

Summary

Episode Summary: TBT: Kristin Cavallari

Podcast: Dumb Blonde
Host: Bunnie XO
Guest: Kristen Cavallari
Release Date: August 7, 2025

In this captivating episode of the Dumb Blonde podcast, host Bunnie XO sits down with reality TV superstar Kristen Cavallari for an honest and heartfelt conversation. The episode, titled "TBT: Kristin Cavallari," delves deep into Kristen's life journey, from her early days in reality television to her triumphs as an entrepreneur and mother. Listeners are treated to Kristen's candid reflections on personal trauma, the complexities of fame, and her ongoing path to inner peace and healing.

Early Life and Introduction to Reality TV

Kristen Cavallari begins by sharing her tumultuous upbringing, marked by multiple relocations and family instability. Born in Colorado, she moved to Connecticut, back to Colorado, and then to a suburb of Chicago before settling in Laguna Beach for high school. This frequent moving cultivated a "sink or swim" mentality in Kristen, helping her develop resilience and a tough exterior.

Kristen Cavallari at [07:14]:
"It fell into my lap, and it completely changed my life."

Kristen’s entry into reality TV was unexpected. MTV conducted an open casting call at her high school, and Kristen was selected to star in Laguna Beach, a show that would thrust her into the spotlight.

Kristen Cavallari at [07:54]:
"I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out."

She recounts how the show’s manipulation often showcased only one side of her personality, leading to widespread misconceptions about her true character. Kristen emphasizes the manipulative nature of early reality TV, where producers would create scenarios to elicit dramatic responses.

Kristen Cavallari at [13:16]:
"Reality TV back then wasn't quite real. They had us record wild lines and splice them in wherever they wanted."

Struggles with Trauma and Personal Growth

Kristen opens up about her difficult relationship with her father, describing him as a "narcissist," and how this influenced her behaviors and relationships. She shares the impact of her parents' divorce and the subsequent trauma that led her to seek solace in partying and substance use during her adolescence.

Kristen Cavallari at [09:15]:
"I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first and especially as a mom."

Kristen discusses the importance of addressing childhood trauma to break generational curses and move forward positively. Her decision to cut ties with her narcissistic father was a pivotal moment in her healing journey.

Kristen Cavallari at [09:46]:
"I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey."

Navigating Fame and Reality TV

As Kristen transitioned from Laguna Beach to The Hills, her fierce and unapologetic persona garnered both fans and critics. She reflects on how reality TV often misrepresented her true self, showcasing only her "take no shit" attitude while masking her softer side.

Kristen Cavallari at [14:00]:
"People only saw one side of me, so they couldn't really get to know who I really was."

Kristen's participation in the reality show Very Cavallieri marked a positive shift, giving her more creative control and a better collaborative environment with producers.

Kristen Cavallari at [34:27]:
"I was involved in every creative conversation. That aspect was such an enjoyable experience."

Marriage, Divorce, and Co-Parenting

Kristen discusses her marriage to NFL star Jay Cutler, highlighting the initial joy and eventual challenges that led to their divorce. She emphasizes the importance of prioritizing her well-being and her children’s happiness over a toxic relationship.

Kristen Cavallari at [28:26]:
"I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first and especially as a mom."

The couple’s co-parenting journey has been fraught with ups and downs, but Kristen remains committed to providing a healthy environment for their three children.

Kristen Cavallari at [29:49]:
"When parents stay together and they're miserable, that causes more trauma for the kids 1000% than just seeing healthy co-parenting."

Entrepreneurial Ventures: Uncommon James and Podcasting

Kristen shares her entrepreneurial journey with Uncommon James, a jewelry and lifestyle brand she launched to assert her creative independence. The success of Uncommon James was significantly boosted by the reality show Very Cavallieri, which acted as a powerful marketing tool.

Kristen Cavallari at [34:27]:
"What it did for the company was insane. It set Uncommon James up to something I never even could have imagined."

In addition to her business ventures, Kristen has embraced podcasting as a platform for creative expression and personal growth. Her podcast allows her to discuss a wide range of topics, from personal anecdotes to interviews with diverse guests.

Kristen Cavallari at [37:12]:
"I have the freedom to talk about whatever I want, whether it’s interviewing a neurosurgeon or discussing relationship dynamics."

Relationships with Other Celebrities

Kristen candidly discusses her post-divorce relationships, including her brief involvement with musician Morgan Wallen and actor Jason Statham. She reflects on the challenges of dating while healing from a toxic marriage and the importance of finding meaningful connections.

Kristen Cavallari at [65:18]:
"The last five years have been my dating era. I always had boyfriends, but I was figuring out exactly what I want and who I am through dating."

Kristen emphasizes the importance of emotional intimacy and personal growth in her relationships, moving away from superficial connections to seek deeper bonds.

Kristen Cavallari at [67:43]:
"I'm really in a mode of wanting to learn something from a man, to have emotional intimacy."

Wellness and Defining Success

Kristen discusses her wellness rituals, including meditation, sauna sessions, and using oracle cards, which help her maintain inner peace and balance in her life. She defines success as achieving inner peace and having the freedom to curate her life on her terms.

Kristen Cavallari at [48:09]:
"Success, I think, is inner peace, quite honestly. There's no peace is priceless."

Her journey towards healing has allowed her to embrace a more relaxed and fulfilling lifestyle, prioritizing her well-being and that of her family.

Kristen Cavallari at [48:20]:
"I feel very, very lucky to have curated my life exactly what I want it to be."

Overcoming Adversity: Home Invasion Experience

One of the most intense moments Kristen shares is her experience with a home invasion during a stay in the Bahamas. She describes waking up to an intruder in her home, managing to stay calm, and ultimately confronting the perpetrator alongside her husband Jay.

Kristen Cavallari at [72:11]:
"I woke up to the door was opening, and the light from the kitchen woke me up. I thought it was Jay, but it was one of the HVAC unit guys."

This harrowing experience further solidified Kristen’s sense of resilience and commitment to protecting her family.

Embracing the Future and Personal Growth

As the episode concludes, Kristen reflects on her journey and looks forward to the future with optimism. She embraces the philosophy of letting life unfold naturally while maintaining her goals and aspirations.

Kristen Cavallari at [75:15]:
"I did the work, and I'm just gonna go have fun. Letting the universe come to me freely."

Kristen’s story is one of overcoming adversity, personal growth, and the relentless pursuit of inner peace. Her candid reflections offer listeners valuable insights into navigating fame, healing from trauma, and building a fulfilling life on one’s own terms.

Notable Quotes:

• Kristen Cavallari at [07:14]:
  "It fell into my lap, and it completely changed my life."

• Kristen Cavallari at [07:54]:
  "I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out."

• Kristen Cavallari at [13:16]:
  "Reality TV back then wasn't quite real. They had us record wild lines and splice them in wherever they wanted."

• Kristen Cavallari at [28:26]:
  "I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first and especially as a mom."

• Kristen Cavallari at [34:27]:
  "What it did for the company was insane. It set Uncommon James up to something I never even could have imagined."

• Kristen Cavallari at [48:09]:
  "Success, I think, is inner peace, quite honestly. There's no peace is priceless."

• Kristen Cavallari at [65:18]:
  "The last five years have been my dating era. I always had boyfriends, but I was figuring out exactly what I want and who I am through dating."

• Kristen Cavallari at [75:15]:
  "I did the work, and I'm just gonna go have fun. Letting the universe come to me freely."

This episode provides an intimate glimpse into Kristen Cavallari’s life, showcasing her strength, vulnerability, and unwavering commitment to personal growth and family. It’s an inspiring testament to overcoming challenges and building a life filled with purpose and peace.

Transcript

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[Kristen Cavallari]

Hi. I'm so excited to be here.

[Bunny]

Dude, I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know. We've been talking about this for, I mean, months.

[Bunny]

Yeah, months. Maybe it might even be a year.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That's what I was going to say. It might be. Yeah. So yay. So happy it's finally happening.

[Bunny]

Dude, you are an icon in your own right. Dude, you have been around forever and I don't think, like, I don't feel like the new TikTok people really know, like your whole lore.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love you.

[Bunny]

You have like a lore to you. And it's like people are just like, oh, Kristen Cavallari just came on the scene. I've seen comments like that, and I'm like. And they're like, who is she? And I'm like, how do you guys not know who. Chris?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love when people comment. Who are you? Yeah, you're the one commenting on my page. Get out of here.

[Bunny]

I'm the one who's going viral. Who the fudge are you?

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know, it's so funny. TikTok is its own thing. I just did a voiceover to myself from Laguna beach, and people thought it was like a. Like, in real time, like, I was just doing it.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And some people obviously get it, but TikTok is. It's. Yeah, it's. Is it a younger generation? I.

[Bunny]

Not on my fyp, but I feel like there's so many people that do use TikTok that it's like the age group is just so vast over there.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, I don't know what for you pages I'm falling on, but it's like, it's such a mixed bag. It's either like, Laguna beach fans who have known me for 20 years, you know, or these people are like, who the fudge is this chick? Yeah. So, yeah, I get. I get all kinds of comments.

[Bunny]

Well, let's get them through. Familiar with you, because I have an entire interview planned out for you, because I. There's just. You have so much. So it's like, I just want to cover everything, and hopefully in this interview, people and podcast people will be able to get to get a sense and a feel for you of, like, everything that you've accomplished before you, you know, became on TikTok and was on very Cavalieri and all that stuff. So.

[Kristen Cavallari]

All right, I love it. So let's dig in.

[Bunny]

Yeah, let's dig in. Let's take it back to the Hills, because that's where I fell in love with you. You had, like, this huge personality, and you didn't take anybody shit.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

And I was like, who is this woman? How did that all come about? Because was it, like, a bunch of rich kids whose parents, like, sent them to casting agents or, like, how did this even come about?

[Kristen Cavallari]

So Laguna beach or the Hills?

[Bunny]

The Hills.

[Kristen Cavallari]

The Hills.

[Bunny]

The Hills was first, right?

[Kristen Cavallari]

No, so Laguna beach was first.

[Bunny]

Okay. Laguna Beach.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay. So Laguna Beach. So, I mean, literally, it fell into my lap. I was going to high school. We all were just going to school, and. And MTV showed up one day and did an open casting call. And how they were able to come to the school was. The school initially was on board with it. MTV was paying the school. So they found all of us. And then, of course, the parents freaked out, and they were like, there's no way we can have cameras in these classrooms. So MTV was like, that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just film on the weekends. But it was right place, right time. It fell into my lap, and it completely changed my life.

[Bunny]

That's insane. Sanity. So you grew up in Laguna beach, or did you grow up in, like.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So I grew up all over, so a lot of people think I'm from Laguna, But I didn't move to Laguna until I was a freshman in high school. So I was born in Colorado.

[Bunny]

Oh, wow.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Moved to Connecticut, moved back to Colorado. My parents got a divorce. I moved to a suburb of Chicago. And then I was getting into a lot of trouble, and so I ended up moving in with my dad my freshman year of high school to Laguna.

[Bunny]

What kind of trouble were we getting into? Well, Bunny, because I need to hear this. Makes me feel better about my childh.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Cause for so long, I was kind of ashamed of my childhood, and then, like, my partying ways and stuff, and now I just fully embrace it, you know?

[Bunny]

That's what made you the woman you are today.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Exactly. But. So I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaking out.

[Bunny]

Eighth grade?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Eighth grade. Yeah. I was young, and so. And my boyfriend Johnny, at the time, lived close, and he would drive his golf cart over to my house and pick me up, and we would just. I mean, just animals. I got taken home by the cops in eighth grade. It's like, all your typical stuff.

[Bunny]

Who introduced you to drugs and that scene so early, Was it just, like, ditching school, Partying?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like ditching school and just friends? Yeah, you know, it just. I think I was sort of drawn to that group of kids because I had a lot of trauma. And so, you know, my escape was to start drinking and doing drugs, and the only way I found a connection was with my boyfriend. I didn't have a connection at home. And so that was where I found it was with my boyfriend and through all of my friends.

[Bunny]

So when you. When you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like, was it just a rough relationship with the parents?

[Kristen Cavallari]

It. So my dad is a narcissist. Typical narcissist.

[Bunny]

So is mine. I'm just dealing with my dad today, actually, and he died in May.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, really?

[Bunny]

No, it's. Having a narcissistic father is so. It just. It's. You can't explain It. Unless you go through it or somebody.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Can relate to it because there's so many layers to it. So complicated.

[Bunny]

It's disgusting.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It really is disgusting. I actually cut my dad out of my life a couple of years ago, which is the best thing I've ever done, quite honestly. I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey. And there was a period where I was like. I felt like, am I gonna have bad karma if I cut him out of my life? And am I gonna have to, like, come back in another lifetime and have to, like, work through all the same shit again? And I actually had a medium say to me. She was like, no, actually, that was like, what you came to do in this lifetime was to be able to stand up for yourself and set boundaries and cut him out of your life.

[Bunny]

Oh, my God.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay. That made me feel so much better. Yeah, Just valid. But anyways, so I had a narcissistic dad growing up, and then parents, divorce, step families, some sexual trauma with a couple different guys in my life, and just, you know, just like, one thing after another. And so, yeah, I was just looking for any kind of connection, an outlet as well. So that was why I kind of, you know, went down the path that I did.

[Bunny]

Yeah. They say that children who are born Capricorns normally have issues with the mom. So for you to have issues with you. I wonder what your moon sign is.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, okay. I don't know which one is moon and which one is. What's the other one?

[Bunny]

Venus.

[Kristen Cavallari]

There's Venus, Cancer and Aries, but I don't know which one is which.

[Bunny]

I could see you being an Aries moon because I'm an Aries moon also. So you might have. I don't know. We'll do your chart. Okay, fine.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay.

[Bunny]

I'll get your number and we'll do it on the podcast. I don't even care.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love it.

[Bunny]

Mimi, do you know how to look up the birth chart? Well, yeah. Will you look it up?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, fun.

[Bunny]

Just give time. You were born and where you were born.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was born, and I was born at, I think, pm. The fact that I signed the babies.

[Bunny]

I was a fucking. An AM Baby, and I. I can. I'm a night owl.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, really?

[Bunny]

I can. Isn't that crazy? Like, I came in the world am, and you will never catch me up.

[Kristen Cavallari]

At 6:30am that is hilarious. Yeah.

[Bunny]

Ever. Dude. While she's looking that up, we'll continue. But isn't it crazy, though, that, like, so much happens in your early life. And it's like you. You don't know how to deal with it, and you carry it so deeply, so it comes out in other ways. Which was, of course, for you, was the partying and stuff like that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, I know. I think everyone is the way they are because of their childhood. This is, like, my favorite conversation.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know, because I just think. And I think a lot of people, they don't take the time to actually look inward and really work through their trauma and figure out why they are the way they are. Yes. And I feel like that's been my whole fucking life, basically, is like, having to, like, figure it out.

[Bunny]

Breaking generational curses, literally. That's me, too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. And finally, I'm about to turn 38, and I finally feel like I'm in a good place with everything and have a good handle on it, you know?

[Bunny]

I'm so glad you got a hold of it early, because I didn't want to start dealing with my shit till I hit 40. And when I tell you I hit 40 years old, I had the most crazy depression. Like, it. Like, it's like, you can be so strong your entire life, and then it's that one day that you just wake up and everything fudgeing hits you like a brick wall.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

So the fact that you have gotten ahead of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of you for doing that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, I've always said I feel like the first. The first half of my life was just, like, thing after thing. Just, like, it was just a lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting the second half. Second half of my life up to just be chill, just, like, relax and be able to just enjoy my life.

[Bunny]

Do you think all that trauma that you had was why you were so fierce on Laguna beach and the Hills?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think it definitely played a role. And I think always being the new girl and moving around constantly, I was able to be put in any situation, and it was like, sink or swim. And I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of it. So I think I naturally sort of had this tough exterior, this, like, take no shit attitude. But I also was able to figure out any situation you could put me in. So I think the combination. Yeah. Is what made me this, like, you know, fucking firecracker.

[Bunny]

I love that, though. And that's what you were known for, and that's literally why people fell in love with you, because, you know, back then, we didn't have a lot of, like, strong personalities. Like that on tv.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the time. And now it's interesting because people are like, wait a minute. Maybe Christian wasn't the villain. Fuck, 20 years later, I'll take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I.

[Bunny]

You know, and I don't want to talk shit about her, but Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way, and I was just like. I don't know. Like, it just seems a little too manufactured. Like, it just didn't seem real to me. But you always came across as authentic.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Thank you.

[Bunny]

Do you feel like. Because you were always the, you know, fierce one and the one to speak up and the one to fight back, do you feel like people didn't really get a sense of who you really were because of that?

[Kristen Cavallari]

100%. And I think that was the thing. Laguna beach showed one side of my personality. And I mean, you know, we're all. We have so many different sides to our personality. And so, you know, people. Cause I do have a very soft side, too. And of course, as I've gotten older and became a mom and everything, I've really honed in on that. But even back then, I mean, I did as well. And I still have that, you know, take no shit side to me, but when that's the only thing they're showing. Yes. I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting because Steven and I actually did a Back to the beach podcast, so it was a rewatch podcast. And we went back, and it was the first time I had seen it and since it aired. And at the time, I remember being like, MTV fucked with me so hard, and I thought it was unfair. And then going back and rewatching it and talking to everybody, I was like, oh, no. They fucked with everyone. Like, they did what they did to me, they did to every single cast member. Even, you know, Lauren. They only showed one side of her personality, too. Steven. The same thing. And so I walked away from that being like, it just. It was what it was, and I was so mad about it for so long. But it was a nice way to kind of, like, wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just me. I wasn't the victim in that situation. Like, it happened to us all.

[Bunny]

That's. That's actually a really cool perspective, though, because most people would internalize that and be like, I was picked on and victimized themselves. And you were like, no, actually, they did it to everybody.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

So you guys didn't have any control of what was getting put out there.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Nothing. Oh, nothing.

[Bunny]

I feel like reality TV back in the day did that to everybody. Like you signed your life and rights away as a human and what they wanted to present you as was what you were gonna be known as.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yep, I know. Because, you know, it was one of the first reality shows, so we didn't know what we were signing up for. Right. And you know, even things like they would have us just record wild lines, just lines, and they could splice them in wherever they wanted. And so in a sense, I mean, we kind of had an idea of what they were doing. Cause we're like, well, obviously I didn't say this, but you're having me say it into a microphone, so you're clearly gonna use it somewhere. So we knew that they were manipulating it to a degree, but until we actually saw it, we no idea what was going on.

[Bunny]

And you guys were kids.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was 17.

[Bunny]

Did you guys parents have any say so in any of that?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, our parents had to sign off on it. My mom had a lot of reservations, but I wasn't living with her at the time, so it kind of didn't matter. My dad was on board with it, so. Yeah, I know.

[Bunny]

You know what? Look at where you are now.

[Kristen Cavallari]

No, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy my mom didn't stop it, you know, but it was, it was hard to deal with at that age just because it's hard enough being a teenager, you know, and then having your lives being manipulated when it's your real boyfriend, your real friend. It just gets really, just really messy, quite honestly.

[Bunny]

So was it. How real was it though? Because, you know, reality TV back then wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you guys plots and like. Or was it. Yeah, it was genuine.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, so Laguna beach was more. Put us in situations and then kind of see what happens. Knowing that a particular situation is gonna probably press my buttons or, you know, this is not the group of people I would normally hang out with kind of a thing. Let's have Kristen's boyfriend go up to this other girl's house even though they're dating. And so situations that they know is gonna piss us off.

[Bunny]

Right.

[Kristen Cavallari]

But I don't think any show is 100% real. I think it's impossible to have a show even if you have cameras on you 24 7, like Jersey Shore, for example, they still have to edit it down into a 42 episode or whatever it is.

[Bunny]

Yeah, 30 minute episodes for.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Right. And so there's no way that something can be 100 real. You just. There's no way to capture.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

All of that.

[Bunny]

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[Bunny]

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[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, you were right. Yeah, totally.

[Bunny]

And you're a Capricorn rising. So your Mercury is Capricorn.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Wait.

[Bunny]

Yep. Capricorn.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Why did I think I had cancer?

[Bunny]

Your Venus is Scorpio. Oh, so you're a lover.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, that makes sense. Excited.

[Bunny]

You're a lover, baby. I love that Pisces. You got a lot of Cap. You have a Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You have one.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay. Wow.

[Bunny]

Two, three. Does she have three or four planets in Capricorn? Three planets in Capricorn, Yeah. So that's a stellium.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Wow.

[Bunny]

Yeah. So you're a hardcore kid.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, I could have told you that.

[Bunny]

But I could see the Aries moon in you, cuz I'm an Aries moon too. And we're just so fiery.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's like. Yes, okay. Aries is the fiery.

[Bunny]

Well, and Cap too. Okay, Cap is Earth. But also the Aries part of it too, is just it all. I'll have to sit down and explain birth charts. I'm super into that, but I just feel like astrology really tells people like who they are. It's like it's a love language.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Totally. I believe in all this stuff. I love it.

[Bunny]

Yeah. Do you? Yeah, we'll have to. I'll have to start sending you stuff because I'm totally into that. So moving on from the hills and all that stuff, are you friends with anybody still from the cast?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, I still talk to pretty much everybody and the Rewatch podcast kind of brought us all back together, which was really fun. And I have my 20 year high school reunion coming up in the fall and so I can't, I can't wait.

[Bunny]

Are you excited?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I'm so excited.

[Bunny]

You're gonna be like the hottest one there. Going back there.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I don't know. Everyone in Laguna beach still looks really good. There's something in the water.

[Bunny]

I'm telling you, the west coast girls are just.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's true. Sunshine, baby. I do think it's good for you.

[Bunny]

I'm from Vegas and we were always in Cali, like we Vegas girls and Cali girls kind of like we all just.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, that's like we were always in Vegas because it's so easy. We would, we'd have nights where we're like, let's just go to Vegas.

[Bunny]

It half hour flight.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh my God, it's so easy.

[Bunny]

You know how many coked out trips I took on a flight?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Same.

[Bunny]

Same bro. Being locked on a plane. We would drive out of your mind. Oh, I can't.

[Kristen Cavallari]

We'd be like, let's just fucking drive.

[Bunny]

Three hours. I couldn't do it. Three and a half hours locked in a car.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, train wreck. Yeah.

[Bunny]

Cracked out of my mind. There's no. I've done it, but there's just. I could now. I could never.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I would never. No way. No, no. I love that, dude.

[Bunny]

I look back, we just got some pictures from my best friend who passed away. Her sister sent me a bunch of pictures of us and there's one of me in there that's like methed out.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, girl.

[Bunny]

Where are my eyebrows?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know. Well, I was the same way. I had no eyebrows. Them up forever.

[Bunny]

Now I had to see. No, your eyebrows look good. Well, they're fine. Mine are, are too. But yours look like you have hair. I can't even grow a eyebrow back.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay, you know what I'm gonna tell you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor oil on?

[Bunny]

I tried it on my belly button and it made me feel weird.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I put it in my belly button.

[Bunny]

I can't do it. It made me feel weird. So I get scared now. I'm so sensitive.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I have it all over my stomach. And it works for you? Do you love it?

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And I put it on my face too.

[Bunny]

So I tried to do the castor oil thing because I wanted to be like the castor oil girlies too. And it just made me. I woke up the next day. I'm such a sensitive like girly now because of all the fudgeing shit I did in my past.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, yeah.

[Bunny]

So, like, now I can't. It's like I used to fudgeing snort eight balls, and now I can't even use castor oil right. Yeah, it's fucked up.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It is fucked up.

[Bunny]

No, it's fucking. It's. It's bullshit, dude. Anyways, moving on from the castor oil packs, how did you take. So you did Laguna beach, you did the Hills, and then after that, did you want to stay in reality TV or was that more of like your exit out?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was like, get me the fuck out. And I think more than reality T tv, just living in LA and feeling like I was my life felt really claustrophobic because at that point I had paparazzi on me every single day.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So every time I wanted to leave my house, whether it be just run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have to be like, am I gonna have to deal with this? And, you know, this is before social media. So the tabloid world was just ruthless.

[Bunny]

It was so bad back then.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It was really bad. And I was on the COVID of fucking every magazine. It seemed like every other week for some bullshit I didn't do or like saying I need to go to rehab and all this shit. I just. I had sort of hit my wall and I really wanted out of la.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It wasn't even so much like, it wasn't even. I wanted to be done with an entertainment career. I knew I wanted to be done with reality tv, but it was more like I got to get the fuck out of LA for my own sanity. And I actually met my ex husband a month after we wrapped the Hills. Oh, wow.

[Bunny]

So Jake came in.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Are we allowed to say his name?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, yeah, we can totally say his name. Yeah. I met him when I. I was 23, a month after we wrapped the Hills. And it just sort of naturally got me out of la, which was great. Oh.

[Bunny]

That's how it was when I met my J. Was literally. It got me out of Vegas. If I would have stayed in Vegas, I would have killed myself.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Right. That's how I felt like in la. Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's kind of cool how you know when you really want something, how the universe just sort of delivers it when you're ready.

[Bunny]

Absolutely. All you gotta do is ask and the universe will grab it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That's true.

[Bunny]

So you meet Jay, take me on that journey with you guys, relationship.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So, Jay, a year prior, I got a call from my publicist and he said that Jay Cutler wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me on A date. And I didn't know who Jay was, so I googled him, and I was like. I mean, I don't. I was like, whatever. I don't know. So I said, I didn't know who.

[Bunny]

Jay was till he was on your show.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love you.

[Bunny]

I knew who you were. Didn't know who Jay was?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. So I said no. So, okay, fine. So a year later, I was visiting my mom, who happened to still live there, and I was going to a Bears preseason game with my cousin, who was Bears obsessed. I totally forgot Jay even asked me out. My mom brought it up, and my cousin was like, what the fuck? You're such an idiot. Jay is the man. You gotta go out with him. So I ended up getting us family passes to meet Jay after the game, thinking it was gonna make my cousin's life. I would probably never talk to this guy ever again. And he walked in, and I was like, oh, shit, he's cuter than I thought he was gonna be. And he.

[Bunny]

When he asked you out, how did he ask you out?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, it was through my publicist. Okay, gotcha. So it was never. We never had any interaction. So he walked in. He was really cute. He was very smart because he kind of, like, won my mom over. I was talking to my mom the whole time. He drove us to our car, and then he texted me immediately, and he was like, something about, like, well, you gotta come back, or something. And then I think I came back, like, a week later. And then it was like, that was it. We moved really fast.

[Bunny]

No, I love relationships like that, though. You know, granted, you know, you guys have gone your separate ways, but I still feel like a moment in time. That moment in time was what you needed, and it was, like, magical.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. And he was. He was exactly what I was looking for at the time. And again, I mean, I was 23. I think I was a baby. You know, like, hindsight is 20 20. I don't regret a damn thing, though. I mean, there's so much good that came out of our relations. Ultimately, not only did I get my kids, and it got me out to Franklin, Tennessee, and, you know, all these great things, but it forced me to figure out my shit and grow up and do the work that I needed to do. And so I'm really thankful for that as well.

[Bunny]

What would you say was kind of. I don't want to use the word downfall, because that's heavy. But what. What do you think was part of the reason for the relationship unraveling?

[Kristen Cavallari]

So Jay and I always Had a tough relationship even from the very beginning. And I think I'm really careful about what I say, obviously, because we have three kids together.

[Bunny]

Absolutely.

[Kristen Cavallari]

But I think.

[Bunny]

And we can always cut things out, too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. I just. I haven't talked about him in so many years. I've, like. I made a vow. I was like, I'm done talking about him, but I'm happy to talk about it. It's just. I'm trying to think about, like. Like the best way to say it because, you know, I think it. Things were just never good. And we tried really hard. I will say, like, we really did everything that we could. And ultimately I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first and especially as a mom and having these three little kids. I really wanted my kids to see me happy and see that I was making myself a priority and taking care of myself. Especially now, having a daughter, too, I think that's so important.

[Bunny]

It is so important because I feel like when parents stay together and they're miserable, that causes more trauma for the kids 1000% than just seeing healthy co parenting.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching your kids then is A, stay in something because you're fucking miserable. Yeah. And B, they have no idea now what a healthy relationship looks like. And it just. If you can't be your best self, that obviously trickles down to your kids and you take out your hurt and your sadness on your kids. It's just such a negative, toxic environment.

[Bunny]

Yes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And, you know, as soon as I got out of my marriage, I remember even my mom saying to me, like, shit, I had no idea how bad it was, but like, I was a shell of who I was, and immediately I got my spark back.

[Bunny]

I love that for you.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

When you say that it was bad, was it just. Just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like, what was it that was so bad?

[Kristen Cavallari]

It was just. It was toxic, you know, And I think because I hadn't done the work with. On myself. And you were a baby, too. I was a baby. I didn't know any better.

[Bunny]

When you guys got together, he was.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think he had. I think he was 28. 27 or 28.

[Bunny]

Okay, so you guys were both young.

[Kristen Cavallari]

We were both. Yeah.

[Bunny]

That's young love. I feel like the first. First, like the first love or the first young love like that where you get married or something, like, is like toxic, you know, 100. You guys don't know how to navigate life. I know how. I was a 23. I'm sorry to anybody whose paths had to cross with mine in that era of my life, because I was just a show.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like, you shouldn't be allowed to get married before age 30, quite honestly, literally. I agree. You are that age, bro.

[Bunny]

I swear. I 100% agree.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know it. But. Yeah, but so the thing is, I was repeating a pattern with my dad, you know, and because I hadn't done the work on my relationship with my dad, that's what you do, you know, I ended up marrying my dad. And so it really forced me then to work through my shit, which is. Which is what I did. So when we got a divorce for the last almost five years, quite honestly, I've really taken the time to, like, get my shit together so that I don't then make the same mistake. Yeah, I don't want to say mistake. That's not the right word. But I don't want to be repeating that pattern.

[Bunny]

Absolutely. Yeah, for sure.

[Kristen Cavallari]

They.

[Bunny]

And they do always say that if, unless you do the work, you will meet the same person, the same human in different bodies, until you learn that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Lesson over and over again, over and over again.

[Bunny]

So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavallari, because when did Very Cavallari come into the picture? Did you start on Uncommon James first?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I did, but they were pretty close together. Very Cavalieri. Must have been 2017, I want to say. Or is that right? Yeah, because we did three seasons and it ended in 2020, so. Yeah, yeah, 2017.

[Bunny]

How did Uncommon James come about?

[Kristen Cavallari]

So I had a shoe line with Chinese Laundry. Do you remember that brand? I do, yeah.

[Bunny]

That was all their shoes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

My brand growing up. So I had a shoe line with them and I loved it. But because I was doing shoes with them, I wanted to do something on my own. And I felt like jewelry was the next natural step. I love accessories. I think they make or break your outfit. So I. Well, I had this fire in me to show everybody that I knew what I was doing in the branding world. Because with Chinese Laundry, at the end of the day, while I had final say, I didn't really, because it was a whole team of people. This is a well established company and I learned to trust my gut. I knew my customer, and so I had this fire in me of like, I'm gonna show everyone that I know what I'm doing in the branding world. So I launched Uncommon James out of our house. And at the time, I was essentially a stay at home mom. Like, I did little things. I would host these big award shows, these Pre shows for E on the red carpets. But other than that, I was basically a stay at home mom. And so I just honestly wanted something to do also.

[Bunny]

And probably set yourself apart from the reality star.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yes.

[Bunny]

You know, Cause you've grown, you've had a baby. Yes. By now you're married.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's like I wanted, like my own thing. Yeah. And so launched it. And then I knew. Cause, you know, I had been offered a million reality shows. Obviously, like, you know, coming off of Laguna beach in the Hills, I knew I could always fall back on that if I needed to. But I wanted to do a show similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it be about Uncommon James. So pitched it to E. And they were like, we'll do it if you're on it more. So I had to get Jay on board then, and I had to get one of my friends on board. And then, yeah, we did it. And I did.

[Bunny]

One of your friends being Kelly.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yes. And yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she. So we did the show. And honestly, the only reason I did it was for Uncommon James. Best decision I've ever made for the company. But I also, because I was an executive producer, I. I had such a different experience doing very cavallari. And the producers really looked at me like an equal. I was involved in every creative conversation. I always knew what was going on. And it was. That aspect of it was such an enjoyable experience that it was a great way for me to end my reality TV career just with such a positive taste in my mouth. So I was really, really happy that I ended up doing it.

[Bunny]

That's amazing. So did you actually get a say so on what was aired?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was able to get shit taken out. I was, I mean, like, yeah, I.

[Bunny]

Mean, it was juicy. There was a lot of drama. It could have been. I watched it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It could have been way better.

[Bunny]

I'm like, I don't know. I thought you guys did a great fucking job.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, I think it. I think it could have been better. I think it could have been funnier. I wanted it to be like. I mean. And there were definitely. Jay was very funny on the show.

[Bunny]

Well, he was. He was hit or miss. He was either really funny or it was like, what is going on with this guy?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, and I mean, you should have seen the shit that got edited out. There was one time we were filming and we were fighting so bad. The camera guys were like, okay, camera's down. Like, everyone take a break. But they can't show that because they wanted Jay and I to seem like we were perfect, you know, or, like, had this great relationship.

[Bunny]

You could pick up on the tension, though. You could feel it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think you could, too. Like, now, obviously, we got divorced pretty quickly thereafter. I think people then could kind of see the cracks, you know, but they try to do a really good job of showing us in a very positive light.

[Bunny]

You don't have a good. I'm. You're. I'm the same way. You don't have a good poker face.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I can't. Bullshit, man. It's like, I gotta be real. Yeah.

[Bunny]

There was a couple times I was like, she's pissed at him. Like, you could feel the energy on. Cause I watched Very Cavallary, too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, well, I. The whole time that we were doing that show, I was really unhappy. Really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like. Well, that was a distraction probably also, you know, at that point, I was throwing myself into so much work stuff that it was all a distraction.

[Bunny]

Do you feel like the drama from the show overshadowed the brand of Uncommon James?

[Kristen Cavallari]

No, because what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of marketing overnight. It just catapulted us to the next level, and it just. It set Uncommon James up, honestly, to something I never even could have imagined. And so. And still, I mean, we continue to grow. And. And I'm. I really do think it's because of the show initially. I really do, so.

[Bunny]

No, no, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. All press is good press. Yeah, exactly. Like, which sometimes it's hard to. Hard to wrap my head around, but, yeah, we're learning.

[Bunny]

Yeah, we're learning that now we're new into the. The fame thing, so there's a couple. Like, we go viral for some things that we've said in, like, 2020, and it's like, we're not even those people anymore. Exactly. You're like, let us grow. Let us know. But the Internet will. Man, that will just hold you to who you were at that moment in.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Time and hold on to everything.

[Bunny]

Yeah. And they like to bring it back and rerun it, and you're just like, what is fucking happening?

[Kristen Cavallari]

God. I know. Like, let's see you five years ago, what you were doing.

[Bunny]

Literally. Let's. Let's shake those cells.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Let's go there.

[Bunny]

Yeah, for sure. Where do you get the inspiration for Uncommon James? Like, for the jewelry. And you have clothes, too. Correct.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So we Do. We're primarily jewelry, and actually now we have skincare. We've got merch. Like, we've got sweats and T shirts and shit. Yeah. But I wouldn't say we do clothing, but so for the jewelry, it just depends. I find that whatever's kind of going on in my life is where I'm pulling inspiration from. So, I mean, you know, like, during COVID it was like I was doing a collection about adventure, like, when we could, you know, when the world started opening up again, like, what we would be doing, like a daydreaming collection. I was in Greece this past summer, and that inspired a whole collection. So it just kind of depends on whatever's happening in my life.

[Bunny]

I love that. So it's like just little glimpses of where you're at in your life.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

You'll be able to look back on your collections and be like, okay, I did this when I was here, and I did this when I was with this person. And, like, yeah, well.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And so my daughter, Sailor, she has a collection coming out in. I think it's April, but we designed it last New Year's, actually, when we were at the beach. And so, like. And that's really sweet. And it's all, you know, this beach theme and stuff. So, yeah, it is. It is kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot of ways of, like, yeah, what. Where I was at in my life. Life. It is fun.

[Bunny]

I love that for you.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Moving on to the very Cavalieri drama that had happened. You had your best friend Kelly Henderson on the show.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

You guys had been friends for a really long time, correct?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, we had known each other well, actually, we met in 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but we didn't become close until a couple years later. But, yes, I mean, we definitely were friends for a while.

[Bunny]

What happened on the show was that. Was it a storyline or was that really unfolding?

[Kristen Cavallari]

No, that was real. So what happened was. So I think it was season two. People started saying that it seemed like Jay and Kelly were having an affair.

[Bunny]

Right.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And I actually was completely oblivious to any of that. But then I remember being like, wait, what the fuck? And, like, really starting to pay attention to it, and I was like. Like, I never once thought that anything was going on. I stand by that. I don't think anything happened. But my issue was how Kelly was handling it and adding fuel to the fire and sort of taking advantage of it for her own benefit. And I said something to her, and it just blew up in my face. I mean, I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said, hey, listen, here's how your actions made me feel, I would go, holy. That was not my intention. I am so sorry. Let's talk about this. And this is relationships, too. But when people can't take any accountability and turn it around and throw it in. In your face, like, I don't. I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And I've had a lot of experience with that. That's actually like, a huge thing for me, moving forward with all of my friendships, relationships, whatever, is. Accountability is so fucking huge. And. Yes. And it's really hard for a lot of people.

[Bunny]

Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason. That's a good one.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That is a good one. But it's. I just. I'm at a point in my life where. Because there's no. I can't do anything with that then. Right. Like, this is how I feel. And if you can't acknowledge that, well, then I don't. I can't move on.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So that's basically what happened.

[Bunny]

So the rumors were that they were having an affair. You never once thought, like, this is possibly true. Like, where does a rumor like that come around from?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, it was because of how she was with him. She definitely. She was crossing the line. And. And then, like, the way she would talk about him on social media, it was just. It was always adding fuel to it where I was like, wait, what the fuck is actually going on?

[Bunny]

Right.

[Kristen Cavallari]

But no, I really. I really don't think anything happened. I mean, fuck, I don't know, to be honest with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now sort of think of a guy as trash a girl. It's because there's probably something going on. And I.

[Bunny]

Did you ever confront him, like, hey, is this really bad?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. I mean, he walked, you know, hand in hand with me during that whole thing, but, you know, when you're dealing with a pathological liar, it's hard to know what the fucking truth is. There are things from my marriage that I will never know, and I've just sort of had to let that go. You know what I mean? I'm over it now, and that's why I can probably talk about it so. So freely.

[Bunny]

But I think that's such an amazing thing for you to say, though, that you can talk about it freely now, because there's a lot of women who have gone through divorces also that never got the Apologies that they. They deserved.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, and a lot of times you won't. I never did, and I never will. Yeah, but you have to do it for you. You know what I mean? You have to forgive them. And. Because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are cheating or whatever the situation. Situation may be, that's because they're hurt.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That's about them. Like, that has nothing to do with me. And so when you can get to that place and almost have empathy for those people and realize how much they're struggling, like, it's. It's not about me. So I. I forgive Big of you, Kelly. I forgive Jay for anything that he did. Like, I just. Anyone in my life, my dad, even. I've. I have empathy for my dad because I understand why my dad is the way he is. I can have empathy and forgive these people and still not have them in my life. You know, those two things can coexist.

[Bunny]

If Kelly. Has Kelly tried to apologize to you?

[Kristen Cavallari]

No. And, in fact, I saw her one time at the airport, and she bolted. I was like, I could give you a big hug right now and be like, whatever, you know, like, I don't hold crutches. But that just tells me she hasn't worked through it. She's still holding on to that. So that's.

[Bunny]

That's rough, man.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Because it's. It also, at the same time, makes her look really guilty, like, of something. Like, why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like, 100%.

[Bunny]

Never let a man get in between a friendship type of situation. Girl code.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Girl code. Like, that is like, I can't even wrap my head around that. Yeah.

[Bunny]

So you're. You are on this TV show. You know, you're doing your last. Who are off with reality tv, as you said. And then, you know, all this blows up. What happened with Shannon Ford? Are you guys friends now?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I've seen her. Yeah, we're. We're totally cool.

[Bunny]

You guys are good?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. Okay.

[Bunny]

Because I remember that was a whole thing. Thing, too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

You're going through all of this, and then you and Jay are headed for divorce. You guys get this divorce. What. How are you feeling in that moment?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like, oh, that was such a crazy time. I felt so many different things.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, it was everything from such a weight being lifted to feeling like I could finally breathe to being so devastated that I. That I was tearing up our family. You know, obviously, coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever Wanted was a divorce, so. And I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a while. Christmas, I felt that I got really sad Christmas Eve. Cause I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as a family. I don't want to be back with Jay at all. But it's that family unit, you know, that bums me out sometimes.

[Bunny]

Do you guys think you could ever do a Christmas together? Eventually. How are you guys co parenting right now?

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's. It's been so up and down.

[Bunny]

Well, it's not shocking because, I mean, we've seen Jay's behavior.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Zero fucking consistency, which is really hard.

[Bunny]

Yeah. You poor baby.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, it has not been easy to say the least. You know, we sat together at a basketball game earlier in the year and I was like, holy fuck, this is the best thing that's ever happened.

[Bunny]

Second, you're like, I'll fucking take it the bare minimum.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Guys, we made it. We can sit next to each other. And we haven't sat together since, so I don't fucking know.

[Bunny]

Jay, come on, baby. What the fuck? Let's get it together.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's a bumpy road, so I'm gonna say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. And to be honest, that's not even what I want. It's. You know, it's just, I think when you go through a divorce and you have kids, like, there are those moments where you're like, it's a bummer just because you don't want that. But there's also a lot of good, of course, that came out of that. And I think even for my kids, you know, it's gonna make them stronger. Like there's. I could list a thousand things of why it's positive, but I do have those moments. But.

[Bunny]

In that moment, you know, going through a divorce, just wrapping a reality show, how are you feeling? Like even getting back into like the dating scene or something?

[Kristen Cavallari]

That was easy for me. I was like riding a bike.

[Bunny]

We're get there, baby. We're gonna get there, sister. I'm sorry if he's a kid.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, you know what? It was. I think so I actually immediately started dating someone. And then I went from that to another thing immediately. And so for the first year, I was like, woo. Having fun. I'm free, I'm dating. I'm like getting my spark back. Like just fucking loving life, quite honestly. And then Jay and I actually went on a couple dates. Yeah, we went on a couple dates trying to see if, like. Cause, man, it's Fucking hard. And I think unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's like, it has this hold on you. And until you can, like, trauma bond, almost, it's a fucking trauma bond. And until you can really break that. I would go back a couple times and be like, but I know it's not right, but, like, why am I doing it? But so we did. We went on a couple dates. And then after I finally, you know, for the 18th millionth time, was like, I can't do this. Then I really did the work. And then it, like, I had lonely times. I had sad times. It was really hard for me then to meet someone. Like, I dated, but I didn't meet anyone that I liked for a really long time.

[Bunny]

Because you're in the process of healing and you're just like, ew. Like, you get the ick so easy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So easy. Which is a good thing, you know? But, yeah, then I. Then I had to really, you know, get real with myself and do the healing journey. So it was. It was good.

[Bunny]

What's a wellness, like, ritual that you do for yourself, like, to ground yourself?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, I really do love meditating.

[Bunny]

Me too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I don't do it as much as I would like to, but when I do it, it's fucking powerful.

[Bunny]

I just started doing sauna. I just. Yes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Do you meditate in the sauna?

[Bunny]

That's my new thing.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That's what I do.

[Bunny]

I just started doing it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's the best.

[Bunny]

It's the best because you can't take your phone in there. I just set mine outside and I just kind of sit in there for a half hour and just zone out.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's the best.

[Bunny]

And you feel so good after you do it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, they say it literally changes your vibration. It literally, you know. Yeah. So I do love it. What else do I do? I actually have these oracle cards, too. I like pulling oracle cards.

[Bunny]

Oh, I love that for you.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Which is kind of fun. I got tarot cards, too. I think I'm like a fucking medium all of a sudden.

[Bunny]

I'm like, you're like a little gypsy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Over there, like, reading them for all my friends.

[Bunny]

I would let you read my tarot cards.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I would love to read your tarot cards. Let's do it.

[Bunny]

We'll have to do that. Like, I'm coming over for dinner just so you can read my tarot cards.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Let's go.

[Bunny]

So you've written books, you've built businesses, and you're raising a family. How do you define success for yourself? These days.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love that question. Success, I think, is inner peace, quite honestly. Like, period. It's that simple. But I think there's no.

[Bunny]

There's no. Peace is priceless.

[Kristen Cavallari]

That's the thing. And I think, you know what we were talking about earlier, like, when your whole life has not been peaceful, I value it so much, and I feel lucky because I've gotten to a place where I've been able to sort of like. Like, curate my life to be exactly what I want. You know, my podcast that I'm doing, Uncommon James. Everything's on my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority. And if I want to take a week off and go fuck around, I can. And that, for me, is heaven. So I feel very, very lucky.

[Bunny]

You're like a phoenix. That rose after that, you know, that rises through that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Phoenix rising. Yeah, thanks. That's how I feel.

[Bunny]

No, listen, girl, you're a warrior, you know, Real. Recognize, real. I get it, man. Man, it's when you go through so much, like, just tragedy and. And in the beginning of your life, all you want now is peace. Like, you can ask my girls. I don't even want if. If it's not me feeding me or financing me. I don't care about what the Is you got going on. You want to come to me with some, take it elsewhere. I do not care.

[Kristen Cavallari]

No time for that.

[Bunny]

So, you know, after the divorce, you said that it was really easy for you to start dating.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Here we go. I love that little smile on your.

[Bunny]

Cuz. You. You already know what's coming, baby.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know. Let's go. Let's go.

[Bunny]

So was one of those men happen to be Morgan Mar.

[Kristen Cavallari]

How did I know?

[Bunny]

Because you dropped a bomb and the entire Internet went insane. What was your. It was your friend Justin Anderson, our suspect video. Yes. Oh, God. Can we. Can we elaborate on this? Because, you know, and I have to. I have to navigate this.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. You guys know Morgan.

[Bunny]

Well, see, here's the thing. I've seen Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged him. I've never had a conversation with him. My husband and him are friends, and they love. My husband is like, that's my bubba.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. And he. Morgan's a good guy. Yeah, I do. He has a big heart. He really does.

[Bunny]

He's a play. If I'm the Himalayas thousand percent, the amount of women that have sat on my couch that have been with Morgan Wallen is crazy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

He's been with every woman on the Planet. So that's.

[Bunny]

He should. He's single.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, we absolutely should. I mean, yeah. Yes. I definitely hung out with Morgan. Morgan. He's very sweet. Here's what I'll tell you is the first date that we went on, he was a true gentleman. And he was like, I'll pick you up. I'll pick the place. Like, just fucking handled business. He came and picked me up. He met my kids. My kids were so excited. It was so cute. We. He got us a private room, you know, he had, like, his bodyguard and whatnot. And dropped me off. He kissed me in the rain, and it was, like, the sweetest thing. And then we hung out there after, and it was. I will say it was a very. That was up and down, too. It was just like. It was a lot. Yeah.

[Bunny]

They always say you'll find the same.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Person in different bodies, so that's true. But, yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't talked to him in probably a year, but I have nothing but good things to say about him.

[Bunny]

Was he romantic? I've heard he's great in bed.

[Kristen Cavallari]

He was good in bed.

[Bunny]

Yeah. We got another one to confirm. Another one has Morgan. You slay, brother. Slay. All right. And we are in. No way, Morgan.

[Kristen Cavallari]

God.

[Bunny]

You know, Morgan's gonna be hitting up Jay. Like, can you please tell your wife to never talk about me on her podcast again?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Only for you, Bunny. Only for you.

[Bunny]

I appreciate it, so. But you did say. And I. Do I. We have to bring this up. You did say that he hurt your feelings.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Justin said that. Yeah.

[Bunny]

Okay. Justin said that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Justin said that. So, Morgan. So, okay. God, I'm so sorry, Morgan. He didn't hurt my feelings. I'll be honest with you. Morgan was the first guy in my entire fucking life that wasn't, like, just completely enamored with me. And I was like, what in the fuck is going on? It really threw me.

[Bunny]

Yeah. Because you're used to people, like, worshiping.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yes. I'm used to guys being, like, crazy, where I'm like, whatever.

[Bunny]

Well, it's probably because he has 20 other girlfriends.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. He was busy.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And so.

[Bunny]

Yeah, allegedly.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Allegedly.

[Bunny]

Allegedly.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Allegedly. But, yeah, so it was one of those things where I was like, why do I keep going back to this guy when it's just like.

[Bunny]

Like, it's trying to get the approval of your father.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love having the upper hand, and I feel like with him, I didn't have the upper hand. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking get it.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Never did. Oh. So I will say I walked away from him a couple times, and I was ultimately the one that ended it, but I never felt like I, like, had him, you know? And, yeah, the only time in my life, so it really fucked with me.

[Bunny]

Yeah, well, he has a reputation for being a bad boy. He, like, lives up to it. I mean, the dude's throwing fucking chairs off roofs, you know?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Like.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, no, I'm. Listen, I'm glad that didn't work out. I don't. I don't want to be with Morgan. I love Morgan, but I don't want.

[Bunny]

To be with Morgan. I feel like Morgan might be a stepping stone, you know, for, like, finding your true love.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

He's like the bad boy that you want to play with, and then you just. You tuck him away and you put him in the past when you find the man that you love.

[Kristen Cavallari]

At the time, quite honestly, I was like, I kind of just want a fuck buddy in Nashville. Yeah, that's really hard to find here for some reason. And I wanted to make Morgan that. But it was like.

[Bunny]

Like, yeah. Morgan seems to be the guy that wants to step up to the plate to be people.

[Kristen Cavallari]

He's a great buddy. The problem is, honestly, he was on tour. He's so.

[Bunny]

He's losing it over here. She knows so many girls that have been with him, too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Even I do. And, oh, my God, Morgan has.

[Bunny]

Needs a support group.

[Kristen Cavallari]

No, literally. Literally. Because everyone's heart is broken.

[Bunny]

I know, Morgan. You're out here breaking people's hearts, man.

[Kristen Cavallari]

But he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why the. Am I. Like, what are we doing? This is silly.

[Bunny]

So, yeah, stepping stone.

[Kristen Cavallari]

He's. And he was fun. Like, we had a good time, and so, you know, all good. All good.

[Bunny]

Jason statement. Stay them. How do I put Jason Statham?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Jason Statham. Where?

[Bunny]

How? That doesn't even seem like your type.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, my God. When I was. How old was I. I was probably, like, 21. He. I loved him.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, not really, but I know he. Yeah, we were really good friends.

[Bunny]

Is he tiny?

[Kristen Cavallari]

He's smaller than you would think. Yeah. Like, they all are, though. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's my issue with actors. They're never this, like, macho.

[Bunny]

Like, I feel like I'm bigger than every person that I've seen on the big screen. I know every time I meet him. And you're tiny. You are.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So are you. But no, you are.

[Bunny]

But, yes, I'm a big back bitch. And I'll Take it. I identify as a big back bitch and listen, hardly. They get so mad at me when I say it, but I'm like, bro, I'm a big bag, all right. No, stop it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to be, ever.

[Bunny]

And they wear lifts.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know. Yeah.

[Bunny]

So did Jason wear lifts?

[Kristen Cavallari]

No.

[Bunny]

Okay.

[Kristen Cavallari]

All right, well, maybe in the movies, and I don't know, but. Yeah, but. No, but Jason is a. He's a great guy. He's a lot of fun.

[Bunny]

Did you guys actually, like, date date, or was it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

We dated a little bit. Yeah, we dated a little bit.

[Bunny]

Wow.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. No, he was great. We had the same group of friends, so we started out as friends, and then it just kind of escalated. But. Yeah, no, nothing but good things to say about Jason, too.

[Bunny]

How long was it?

[Kristen Cavallari]

God, I don't even remember. I mean, because we were friends at first. God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a year. But not, like, hooking up and dating. Probably a couple months that that was going on.

[Bunny]

But, yeah, let's talk about your. Because we're gonna. We're gonna hop off your dating for a second.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay.

[Bunny]

She's like, let's talk about this beef you have with the Kardashians. She's like, let's. Let's hop out of one frying pan into another.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay, let's go there.

[Bunny]

What is it about that family? Because I've had numerous people and they sponsor my podcast, so I do their.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Ads on my podcast too, and I'm, like, out there talking shit. They just renewed it for 2025.

[Bunny]

I was like, with. Us too. Us too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

If you want me to just keep talking shit, I will. No problem.

[Bunny]

I love it, so. I love that, you know. You know, I think it's cool that they just don't care. They're like, you know what? We're gonna just sponsor the podcast.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know. I know.

[Bunny]

There's a lot of people who have sat on my couch that have different. Different stories, but the same scenarios with this family.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

It comes to a point where it's like some of it can't be made up.

[Kristen Cavallari]

No. I mean, I think the thing is, I feel like we're living in this time right now where karma is, like, really playing a role and people are being held accountable on big scale.

[Bunny]

Yes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And I'm here for that. I love that. And, you know, mine really stems from God again. I mean, this is. I was probably, like, 22, 21 or 22. And, well, I known Scott Disick. Same thing, same group of friends. We were always buddies.

[Bunny]

You were with Brody Jenner, weren't you?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I dated Brody. Brody was my first boyfriend in la. So, yeah, it was all that, that group of people. And Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I fucking loved Courtney. We were really good friends.

[Bunny]

I could see you guys being. Oh, like, you guys are kind of like the same person.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And they broke up. And I was doing something in Vegas, actually, and I went with a bunch of my guy friends. Scott happened to be one of the guys that came again. We were always just friends. Well, he was devastated about Courtney. And the next morning, we all went out, we had a good time. I was never even alone with Scott.

[Bunny]

He was devastated about Courtney, but fumbled the ball how many times?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, exactly.

[Bunny]

I mean, men are always like, the victim.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Always the victim. Like, maybe if you got your together, it would be a different story. But. So the next morning, it was on like, Page Six or something that Scott and I had hooked up. And I was like, what in the. And my friend Stu was like, I know for a fact that was Scott who told them that, planted that to try to make Courtney jealous. Well, what do you know? That's in fact, what happened. Courtney was really upset about it. And I remember being on the phone with Courtney being like, courtney, you know that that's not true. I would never fucking touch Scott. And I don't know. She was like, well, I don't know. I just know I have sisters, and I would never put myself in that.

[Bunny]

Situation her sisters have allegedly been with.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Right. You know, I'm like, okay. And then, so they did end up getting back together, and we, you know, we stopped talking. But. But I am like, Scott must have said it was true or something, because all it would have taken was for Scott to be like, that's not true. And that was my issue too, because this was on the COVID of every fucking tabloid. And I remember doing an interview again before social media. So it's not like you can go on and defend yourself and, like, clear your name. Yeah. So I remember doing an interview being like, that's not true. And all it would take is one of the Kardashians to be like, that's not true, for it to go away. But they wouldn't do that. And that's the part that pisses me off, is like. Like, they. I think they have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.

[Bunny]

They don't really defend themselves either.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I guess they Kind of don't, do they? Yeah.

[Bunny]

Like, there's sometimes that there's accusations coming out about them, and I'm waiting for one of them to speak up. And they never say a fucking word.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, I think, you know, talk about what we said earlier. They're in the camp of all press is good press for sure. Where I'm like, no, this is my fucking reputation and my name. I'm like, I didn't. I have an issue when something is so not true. If something comes out and it's true, I'm like.

[Bunny]

Questions your integrity.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. But I'm like, I didn't fucking do.

[Bunny]

So that explains why you were so mad when Scott reached back out to you.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So I go on my podcast and just was talking shit about the Kardashians. Like, nothing in particular, but just talking shit. And then Scott Disick, DMs me after fucking 15 years or something, is like, I miss you. We should hang out. It just felt so calculated to me. And this is what the Kardashians and a lot of people in Hollywood do is when you're out there talking shit, they want to shut you up. So it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And I don't play that game. It's so fake to me.

[Bunny]

Do you feel like Scott is still under control of that family?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Thousand percent Okay. I think so.

[Bunny]

I feel like he's such a loose. He's like, a loose. Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like he is for sure. But I think at the end of the day, they definitely can kind of control.

[Bunny]

They run the men in their lives. That's for sure.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. Yeah, they do. Poor Rob.

[Bunny]

Poor Rob is like, disappeared. He's an obscurity.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was like Dancing with the Stars with him. He's the sweetest, but he's kind of. Yeah. Where is Rob? Yeah, is Rob okay?

[Bunny]

Yeah. Rob. Rob, do the red. What is it? What is it that Britney Spears does? The yellow rose. Yeah. Post a yellow rose if you need help.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Exactly.

[Bunny]

Poor Rob.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know.

[Bunny]

All that estrogen, too. It's got to be just.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

So moving on, on from your beef with the Kardashians, because it's really not even beef. I think I feel like it's legit. Like your feelings are hurt and Courtney should have been a better friend to know that you would not do that. Well.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And it's like, I honestly, I don't even really give up. Fuck. To be honest with you. But it's just that the fact that Scott was trying to slide into my D. My DMs I was like, fuck off.

[Bunny]

Yeah, but you're like. You're like, look, an elephant never forgets and fucking. I remember everything.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Exactly. And you don't want to fuck with someone who has a weekly podcast.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know that, like, I'll come out and say whatever. I'm also a loose cannon.

[Bunny]

Let's. Let's talk about your podcast really quick. What is the name of your podcast? People want to listen to it, let's be honest.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, it's, you know, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. But it's. And it's a mix, you know, that's what I love, is having creative freedom with, you know, uncommon James and the podcast. Podcast to talk about whatever I want to talk about. I mean, you get that if one week I want to talk about, you know, Scott Disick sliding into my DMs or interview a neurosurgeon. Yeah. You know, like, I have that freedom, which is really great and keeps it exciting for me.

[Bunny]

I admire the fact that you can do podcasts by yourself.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I have. Do you never do them?

[Bunny]

No, I haven't asked.

[Kristen Cavallari]

You would be so good at that.

[Bunny]

I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk that much.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, that is not true. You would be so good at it.

[Bunny]

I'll just be sitting here talking. I would probably.

[Kristen Cavallari]

They'd be like.

[Bunny]

By the time I got done, they'd be like, does she have five personalities? Because she literally made herself laugh, and she couldn't stop laughing, and then she got pissed off. Like, what just happened?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like, it is. It's weird.

[Bunny]

It might be bad for me.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I remember when I started doing them, I was like, this is the most unnatural, awkward thing on the planet. I'm just talking to myself. Like, it's weird, but it's a. It's a muscle. You. You would be so good at it. Bonnie, I feel like you should try it.

[Bunny]

I don't know. Listen to you guys see me talking to myself. It's because Kristen told me to do it. So let's talk about the Montana boy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay.

[Bunny]

Okay. Because, listen, I was fucking rooting for you, dude.

[Kristen Cavallari]

You were so cute on TikTok.

[Bunny]

I was. Because I was like, let my f. Woman live, bro.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know.

[Bunny]

What was the age difference?

[Kristen Cavallari]

13 years.

[Bunny]

I mean, it's not terrible.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, you know, the thing is, I will stand by this. I still think age is just a number. And. And it was so interesting for me to see how up in arms people were because I was older, and I'm the woman compared to how it is for men.

[Bunny]

But Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher got away with it and they were the cutest thing ever.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, and there's so many people talk about Jason Statham. I think he's like 20 something years older than Rosie. I mean, like, there are so many relationships out there and people don't bat an eye, but when a girl does it, that really pissed me off a lot. I was like, what the fuck? Also, it's not like. I don't know. I think so. Okay. Actually, here's my real opinion on it. This is what I think. I don't think people give a shit that I'm dating that I was dating someone younger. I think it's that I can do whatever the fuck I want in my life. I'm out there doing what I want and a lot of people can't do that. And that's what's triggering for people.

[Bunny]

Amen.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating for me to see that whole thing, to see the reaction. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bunny]

How did you guys meet? How did that come about? Did you. Did you see him on TikTok and you were like, I want that one.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay. Yeah, literally, I saw him on TikTok and I was like, fuck, he's so hot. But like, okay, that was that. And then like a couple months later, he DMed me on Instagram and I was like, what the fuck?

[Bunny]

You manifested that?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I literally did, yeah. And then. And then found out they were moving to Nashville. And I was like, what? Fuck, if this isn't meant to be.

[Bunny]

Yeah. You're like. I mean, I just. I need to. Well, welcome, honey.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I needed that fuck buddy.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was like, it's not Morgan.

[Bunny]

And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's gonna be good.

[Kristen Cavallari]

There you go.

[Bunny]

Yeah. So how was you guys relationship? If you could like sum it up in a nutshell?

[Kristen Cavallari]

It was great, honestly. I mean, we did have a real connection. I don't wanna minimize that at all. He's a really good guy. It was a beautiful relationship. I. You know, I have nothing bad to say. It was fun until it wasn't. You know, it was like. It just. I felt the age difference. Like. No, no, no. Shock. Like, of course. And I get that. You know, everyone's like, oh, I knew it. It's like, okay. But we all knew.

[Bunny]

We have fun.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I was having fun.

[Bunny]

It was. It's called a fling for a reason.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Exactly. Like, am I supposed to marry everyone I date? Like, I don't understand. I was having fun and I think people have Forget that. The last five years have been my dating era. Like, I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when I was 23. I never was able to date and figure out exactly what I want and, like, figure out myself through dating. And so that's what I've been doing the last five years. And that was really fun for me. It, like, sort of.

[Bunny]

It was a distraction, too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It was a distraction. It was really easy. It just sort of naturally fit into my life. I said this on my podcast, but, you know, it's maybe selfish looking back, but I didn't really have to bend for him. In a lot of ways, he just kind of fit into my life and with where I'm at in my life, that was really. It was perfect.

[Bunny]

What you needed.

[Kristen Cavallari]

It was what I needed. And. Yeah, but Mark's a great guy, and I have.

[Bunny]

I never even knew his name. I just know him as Montana Boy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love you.

[Bunny]

That's Montana Boy.

[Kristen Cavallari]

The Montana Boy.

[Bunny]

Anybody that talks to me about it is like, yeah, her and the Montana Boy. Did you. Did you ever look around when you were with him and just be like, maybe an. And this is not a diss to him at all. It's just. Maybe this is too small for me because, you know, you do have such a lore, and, like, you're an icon and not saying that he's. He. He won't be, but, I mean, all he has right now is the shirtless TikTok videos.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. And it's. I think it's a combination of. Yeah.

[Bunny]

I mean, that's not me being mean. He's beautiful.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I think. You know, I think when you are young and you don't have life experience coupled with maybe not a lot going on in your life.

[Bunny]

Right.

[Kristen Cavallari]

There's not a lot to talk about. There's not a lot to bring to the table.

[Bunny]

They're just pretty to look at, which.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Can go for a minute, you know, That'll get you through for a minute.

[Bunny]

No, I get it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Until it won't.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And so, yes, I. I came out of it and was craving real depth and emotional intimacy.

[Bunny]

Intimacy, you know, seduce my mind, and then you can have my body. That's what I always say.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. So now I'm, like, really, like, in that mode of, like, I want to learn something from a man. I want to, like, you know, like, daddy. Yeah.

[Bunny]

Yeah. I love that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

But that's what I'm saying. Like, it's fun. Like, this whole journey that I'm on is really fun, and it's the evolution of Me. And I'm figuring it out. And I love that. Like, I had that as part of my overall story. Like, fuck, yeah, I dated a 24 year old.

[Bunny]

Was he ever insecure with, like, what he had going on and then what you had going on, did that ever become an issue with you guys?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I mean, we have to remember, too, we only dated for like seven months. So I think. But no, I don't. I don't think that was an insecurity for him. Listen, I think he was sort of along for the ride. Like, he was just like happy as.

[Bunny]

He'S like, I'm Kristen Cavallari.

[Kristen Cavallari]

He was like, you can't tell me? Kind of, you know. So, no, I don't think that was an issue.

[Bunny]

Was he sad when you guys broke up?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, it was really hard. It was really hard. And it crushed me, quite honestly, because I knew I was breaking his heart. And so. Yes. And actually it's been one of the harder breakups for me in the sense where normally I'm like, I'm done. Great. I'm moving on. I never even think about the guy again. But I think I've had a lot of guilt about it and I feel really bad.

[Bunny]

Cause he's so sweet.

[Kristen Cavallari]

He's so sweet. Really is so sweet. And. Yeah, so that's been. It's been hard for me to, like, let it go. And we've stayed in touch too, and I think that probably makes it harder as well.

[Bunny]

Would you give it another old wraparound? No, old wraparound.

[Kristen Cavallari]

As much as I love, you know, getting between the sheets with them.

[Bunny]

Look at her. She's all playing with her in her neck.

[Kristen Cavallari]

She's so excited. No, I have to just close that door.

[Bunny]

She's like, no, I'm fucking healing, all right? I'm trying to.

[Kristen Cavallari]

In our healing process. No, I actually, I'm. I'm kind of dating someone else now.

[Bunny]

Can we know who it is?

[Kristen Cavallari]

I'm not going to say who it is. And it's really new.

[Bunny]

But is he in the spotlight also?

[Kristen Cavallari]

He is a retired athlete, which I will tell you.

[Bunny]

You love the athletes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Fuck. They love me, I think.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

They always find me.

[Bunny]

I love that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

But he's.

[Bunny]

You're a wag.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So I'm a fucking wag through and through. He's such a good guy and he's. He really. It's new, but he checks all the boxes where I'm like, this is what I've been needing. So we'll see. We'll see. He's coming in A couple days to stay with me.

[Bunny]

Tell us who it is, and we'll bleep the name out.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Okay. Bleep it out.

[Bunny]

Okay. I don't know who it is.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, he's. He wasn't like a big. Well, I don't know. I don't know, because I don't know athletes really that much. But yeah, he retired a couple years ago, and he has so much depth, and I just, like, loved hockey.

[Bunny]

Is he older?

[Kristen Cavallari]

He's 40.

[Bunny]

Good.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. So he's on your level. So, yeah, we connect on so many different levels, which is awesome.

[Bunny]

Is he cute? Mimi's over there.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I'm over there.

[Bunny]

Googling.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yes. But let me show you, like, real photos of him. Not, like, fucking sweaty, sweaty hockey ones. The athletes never look good in their. Like, their photos online. I'm always like, get them in, like, real, real life. And they're so much better.

[Bunny]

No, that's how I felt about. What was that one? Raiders. The fire crotch. He was so damn fine. I even told my husband I think his last Max Crosby. I was like, we saw him at a game, and I was like, who's this? And I said, baby, my new. My. I text my husband, I go, my new favorite number is, I think 98. That was his number. And he goes, oh, you're a Max Crosby girl. I love it. My husband was like, go, baby, go.

[Kristen Cavallari]

See, that's such a good relationship when you're just confident and secure. Like, the fact that you can say that to him. I feel like all my ex boyfriends would be like, what? Oh, my God, are you gonna leave me for him? You know what I mean? Like, that energy and.

[Bunny]

Yep, I've been in relationships like that, and I refuse.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I won't do it again.

[Bunny]

It took me a long time when I got with Jay to really understand the. The non. Jealousy, because I came from such jealous relationships, and I used to get upset with him. I'm writing about this in my book, actually. And I used to get kind of upset with him, like, do you not love me? Like, why aren't you, like, fighting for me? Fight over me? You know? But I realized that's the toxicity in me that wanted that in him, and he never. He never rose to that occasion. And now I'm just like, God, I couldn't imagine being with a jealous human like that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like, I'll never do that again.

[Bunny]

Never.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Never, ever, ever. I love that for you. That's so nice.

[Bunny]

You're gonna find it too.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know.

[Bunny]

You're too much of a beautiful woman. To not have somebody see how special you are.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Thank you.

[Bunny]

Yeah, it's coming, baby. I can feel it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, me too.

[Bunny]

Let's talk about this home invasion that you were just re. Like, you just recently started talking about it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, I haven't talked about it because, honestly, my kids still don't know. And even when I talked about it on my podcast and it kind of, you know, hit the media and stuff, I was sort of sitting there like, is my oldest gonna say something to me? Because my. He's on. He has all the things. Yeah. And my boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me, so I was like, all right, hopefully. Hopefully he dodged that bullet.

[Bunny]

Yeah, we won't clip this.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, don't clip this.

[Bunny]

We won't.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So it was actually. It was during 2020, so we were in the Bahamas for spring break, and we ended up being there for a month because it was when Covid hit, and I had all my Uncommon James jewelry laid out in my closet. And earlier in the day, our H VAC unit broke, so we had workers in the house fixing it. And. Okay, so Camden, my oldest, and I, who this is almost five years ago, so he was like, what, six or seven? Don't make me do math on the spot. But he was sleeping with me that night. So we went to bed early. So I had no idea where anyone else was in the house. And I woke up to the door was opening, and the light from the kitchen woke me up, and I was so out of it. I honestly thought it was Jay. And thank God, because I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I go, what the fuck are you doing? And so this guy is like, oh, fuck. Stands up, runs out, and I was like, whole, fuck. He had a ski mask on. Long black sleeves, black pants. Like, the whole nine.

[Bunny]

Like, while you're sleeping.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Sleeping with my fucking baby in bed with me. So I think because. Well, so then I'm like, holy fuck. But I didn't want to wake up Camden. So your instincts just kick in. But I'm like, fuck, I have to go out in this house and figure this out. I have no idea where he is or where Jay is or the kids or whatever. So. So I grab my phone, I text Jay. I'm like, are you awake? No response, because it's like 1am so I'm like, fuck. I go out in the house, and I'm just, like, looking around. I go in another bedroom. No one's there. I go upstairs. Finally, I find Jay. As soon as I woke up, Jay, I Got really nervous. Before that, I was like a fucking Navy SEAL just going mama bear mode. Yeah. Your instincts just kick in. And then once Jay woke up, I was shaking. I got so scared. Long story short, it was one of the H VAC unit guys. He took all the cash that we had in a backpack, but we got it back. It was like a guy that worked at the resort that we were at.

[Bunny]

And you wanted to go to the Bahamas.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know.

[Bunny]

Not.

[Kristen Cavallari]

You know what's fucked up? I've been back to that resort since.

[Bunny]

Bitch is like, yolo. Can't skate me, bitch. Yeah. I love that, though. You're like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and just face it head on.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Exactly.

[Bunny]

Face your fears. Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And, you know. Yeah. And I. So that's like one of those things that I won't tell my kids that until they're older, but unless, you know, I keep talking about it and they find out.

[Bunny]

But it's crazy that you don't have fear from that, you know, because, like, that's. That's scary. You get a fucking PTSD from that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I know. I'll tell you what. I don't know. I think even living in LA and stuff, I used to be so scared living in this little house that I had in West Hollywood. You know, you're on top of your neighbor, the whole thing. But living out here, I'm like, 20 minutes from here in the middle of nowhere. I'm on 130 acres. I feel so safe.

[Bunny]

Yeah.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Like, so safe. Again, just at peace.

[Bunny]

Yep.

[Kristen Cavallari]

And it's just a good feeling. I don't know. Yeah, I feel. I've got German shepherds, I've got a gun. I've got the whole thing. So it's like I. I just said.

[Bunny]

I'm strapped with dogs.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Don't get it twisted. But I just. Yeah, I feel really, really safe out here.

[Bunny]

I love that.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah, it's a good feeling.

[Bunny]

What does 2025 have in store for you?

[Kristen Cavallari]

It's a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at. I used to be such a planner and be like, I need to do X, Y, and Z this year. And I've gotten into this more of a head space of just, like, letting life unfold. And that's not to say I don't have goals. You know, I'm going on a podcast tour. Like, there are really fun things happening, but. But I'm just kind of, like, letting it all happen. Yeah. So I don't. I don't know, whatever.

[Bunny]

Whatever happens, happens.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Just letting the universe just come to you freely.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. Thanks.

[Bunny]

I love where you're at in life. I love the space that you're in. I feel like you've fought to be here, and it's, you know, something to be proud of.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Thank you. Appreciate that.

[Bunny]

A lot of people don't figure it out, and a lot of people, you know, victimize themselves or they, you know, wallow in self pity, and you're just out here being like, you know what? This has happened. I did this. I did this. I take accountability, and I'm moving the fuck on.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, because there's no growth in the victim mentality, you know, so, yeah, you got to take. Take charge of your life. Like, that's what I would tell people. Take your life in your own hands and do the damn thing.

[Bunny]

I love it.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

I'm gonna be doing that with you in 2025. I'm planning, like, a birthday trip for me, and I never do that. It's the first time I've celebrated my birthday, and I can't even. Yeah, she was shook, but. And I want to go. But I want to go out of the country. And so, like, I'm just. This year, I'm just kind of like, I have worked my ass off my whole life. I just want to kind of have fun this year. I might even drink some alcohol.

[Kristen Cavallari]

All right.

[Bunny]

And I. I've been sober since 2017, you know, so I'm like, look at Haley's. Hey, I got. I drank a beer with Haley one night.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Are you sober? Sober. You? California sober?

[Bunny]

No, I'm sober. Sober.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Amazing.

[Bunny]

I white knuckle through life, baby. Yeah. No, it's brutal. It's brutal. But I had to. I had to do it for my spiritual and, you know, emotional healing that I had to go through it when I hit 40. Now I'm about to be 45, so I'm like, you know what? I've done the work.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Let me just have fun.

[Kristen Cavallari]

There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should go have some fun.

[Bunny]

No, that's why I understand where you're at too, just letting things happen.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So, yeah, I love it.

[Bunny]

Thank you for coming on the podcast. I appreciate you being here.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I appreciate you so much.

[Bunny]

We actually get to end the season with Kristen, right?

[Kristen Cavallari]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Bunny]

Yeah. So you're. You're like our season finale, baby.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Bunny]

Going out with a bang. Yes.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Well, thank you. Thank you.

[Bunny]

And tell people where they can find you if they don't know.

[Kristen Cavallari]

So just. Kristen Cavallari, Instagram on and Tick Tock. And then, let's be honest, my podcast every Tuesday.

[Bunny]

Yeah, yeah, you guys go check her out. You'll fall in love with her just like I did.

[Kristen Cavallari]

I love you.

[Bunny]

20. What is it in 2020-2006-2004-2004.

[Kristen Cavallari]

God, 20 years.

[Bunny]

20 years ago.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Yeah. Wild. Makes me feel old.

[Bunny]

But insane. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next season then.

[Kristen Cavallari]

Bye.