Podcast Summary: Dumb Blonde - Episode "TBT: The War and Treaty"
Introduction In this episode of the Dumb Blonde podcast, host Bunnie XO welcomes special guests Tanya and Michael Trotter, collectively known as The War and Treaty. The conversation delves deep into their personal journeys, the challenges they've overcome, and the powerful bond that unites them both personally and professionally.
Early Life and Personal Struggles
Michael's Upbringing and Early Trauma Michael Trotter opens up about his strict Christian household in Cleveland, highlighting the contrast between his religious upbringing and the harsh realities of his family life. “[...] I grew up in a strict Pentecostal home, and my dad was a womanizer, cheating, and hypocritical. It made me so angry because everyone here is fake,” Michael shares ([23:02]).
He recounts traumatic experiences, including being initiated into gang life at age 11 and surviving a stabbing at 12, which became a pivotal moment in his life. “I was laying in the streets of Cleveland bleeding out, and my cousin had been killed. That was the turning point,” he reflects ([30:53]).
Tanya's Musical Beginnings and Abusive Relationships Tanya Trotter discusses her early passion for music, inspired by her mother's classical singing and her brother's church performances. At 17, she landed a role in "Sister Act 2" and pursued a career in R&B, even signing with Bad Boy Records. However, the pressure and lack of creative freedom led her to leave the music industry, plunging her into a deep depression with suicide attempts. “[...] when I was in it and recording, I was like, ‘I'm so over this. I don't feel the passion anymore,’” Tanya admits ([54:25]).
She also shares her struggles with abusive relationships, which left her physically and emotionally scarred. “I was in a relationship when I tried to commit suicide because I felt squashed,” Tanya reveals ([55:07]).
Meeting Each Other: A Fateful Encounter
The Love Festival Moment The story of how Tanya and Michael met is both serendipitous and heartwarming. On August 28, 2010, at a love festival in Laurel, Maryland, Tanya was performing and met Michael, a newly returned veteran battling PTSD. Despite initial hesitations and Michael’s insecurities, their connection was undeniable. “When I met Tanya, I was just smitten. I didn’t care,” Michael shares ([67:10]).
The first date was unconventional, involving a marathon screening of "The Ten Commandments," which Tanya humorously describes. Despite the awkwardness, their genuine connection led to a profound relationship. “[...] the rest was history,” Bunnie comments ([80:02]).
Building a Life Together: Overcoming Homelessness and Trauma
Facing Homelessness Shortly after their meeting, Tanya and Michael faced homelessness. Michael recounts how they stayed in 20 different houses during their first year together. Their resilience and mutual support kept them going through these turbulent times. “We had nothing, and we were still living in their home,” Michael explains ([91:08]).
Battling PTSD and Anxiety Michael’s military experiences left him with deep-seated PTSD, manifesting in severe anxiety and emotional instability. Tanya played a crucial role in helping him confront and manage his trauma. “Tanya saved my life,” Michael states poignantly ([99:32]).
Tanya herself struggled with anxiety and OCD, finding solace and strength in their shared journey. “I feel like you're not alone,” she assures listeners ([132:59]).
Musical Journey and Success
Formation of The War and Treaty In 2016, after years of personal struggles and healing, Tanya and Michael officially formed their musical duo, The War and Treaty. They experimented with various names, finally settling on "The War and Treaty" to symbolize the balance and peace they've cultivated in their relationship. “I was like, to be honest with you. You have been my peace in every single war,” Michael explains ([110:38]).
Breaking Barriers in Country Music As an African American husband-wife duo, The War and Treaty have made significant strides in the predominantly white country music scene. Their nomination for Best New Artist at the ACMs and CMAs marked a historic moment, breaking racial barriers and earning them recognition. “We are the first African American husband-wife duo to ever get nominated,” Michael proudly states ([120:47]).
Their authentic storytelling and heartfelt performances have resonated deeply with audiences, culminating in their first performance at the Country Music Hall of Fame alongside legends like Dottie West. “Country music grabbed hold of us. We didn't grab it; it grabbed us,” Tanya reflects ([113:34]).
Overcoming Challenges and Embracing Success
Handling Fame and Personal Struggles Despite their growing fame, Tanya and Michael continue to navigate personal challenges, including Michael's ongoing battle with PTSD triggers during performances. “At the CMAs, I was on stage, trying to stay calm during the fireworks, and Tanya was my anchor,” Michael shares ([123:09]).
Tanya emphasizes the importance of mental health and mutual support in their relationship. “We are conquering fears together,” she affirms ([133:16]).
Connecting with Other Artists Their journey also includes meaningful connections with other artists like Zach Bryan and Jelly Roll, further solidifying their place in the country music community. “Authenticity is what Bubba is thirsting for,” Michael explains about their influence in the genre ([121:11]).
Conclusion and Future Projects
Tanya and Michael express immense gratitude for their journey and the support they've received from fans and fellow artists. They hint at upcoming projects, including a new record set to release next year and an ongoing tour that continues to inspire and heal them both.
Notable Quotes:
- Michael Trotter: “I grew up in a strict Pentecostal home, and my dad was a womanizer, cheating, and hypocritical. It made me so angry because everyone here is fake.” ([23:02])
- Tanya Trotter: “I was in a relationship when I tried to commit suicide because I felt squashed.” ([55:07])
- Michael Trotter: “We are the first African American husband-wife duo to ever get nominated.” ([120:47])
- Tanya Trotter: “We are conquering fears together.” ([133:16])
Connect with The War and Treaty:
- Website: WarandTreaty.com
- Social Media: Follow them on all major platforms except X (formerly Twitter).
Upcoming Projects:
- A new record set to release next year.
- Ongoing tour dates across the country. Visit WarandTreaty.com for more information.
Final Thoughts This episode of Dumb Blonde offers an intimate glimpse into the lives of Tanya and Michael Trotter, illustrating the power of love, resilience, and authenticity. Their story is a testament to overcoming adversity and breaking barriers, inspiring listeners to embrace their own healing journeys.