TBT: Leo Skepi

Summary

Podcast Summary: Dumb Blonde – Episode: Throwback Thursday: Leo Skepi Is Your Authentic Guru

Host: Bunnie XO
Guest: Leo Skeppi
Release Date: January 30, 2025
Duration: Approximately 78 minutes

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I. Introduction

In this gripping episode of the Dumb Blonde podcast, host Bunnie XO welcomes Leo Skeppi, an emerging figure renowned for his authenticity and resilience. The conversation delves deep into Leo’s tumultuous journey, exploring themes of identity, trauma, abuse, and reinvention.

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II. Early Life and Background

Leo Skeppi opens up about his origins, sharing that he was born and raised in Pensacola, Florida. He describes his upbringing in a mixed household—his father being Albanian and his mother white. This multicultural environment exposed him to a diverse range of personalities and challenges.

Leo Skeppi [08:02]: "Pensacola, Florida... it was a melting pot, but it contributed to me being who I am."

Leo highlights the strict moral values instilled by his Albanian heritage, emphasizing loyalty and respect, which significantly shaped his character.

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III. Struggles with Sexuality

Leo candidly discusses his battle with his sexuality, growing up in an environment where being gay was heavily stigmatized.

Leo Skeppi [10:09]: "I wish it was that simple. I wish something just fucked up happened to me."

He recounts feeling conflicted from a young age, initially denying his attraction to men and suppressing his true self to fit societal and familial expectations.

Leo Skeppi [12:42]: "I had the thoughts, but I immediately just shut them down... I will never act on it."

Leo’s journey towards self-acceptance was fraught with internal conflict and societal pressure, reflecting a universal struggle many face in reconciling their identities.

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IV. Abusive Relationship

A significant portion of the episode covers Leo’s harrowing experience with his abusive stepfather. Leo describes the severe physical and emotional abuse he endured between the ages of 16 and 18.

Leo Skeppi [20:00]: "He was extremely abusive... choked me out, put a gun to my head... attacked me when I was sleeping multiple times."

This traumatic upbringing instilled in Leo a sense of fearlessness and resilience, albeit at a great personal cost.

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V. Legal Struggles and Personal Growth

After a devastating relationship with a man who deceitfully claimed to have HIV, Leo faced intense legal battles, including defamation and restraining orders. These confrontations forced Leo to represent himself in court multiple times.

Leo Skeppi [54:05]: "I went in court three times and won every time."

Despite the turmoil, these experiences catalyzed Leo’s personal growth and determination to redefine his life on his own terms.

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VI. Rebuilding through Podcast and Social Media

In response to defamation from his ex, Leo launched his podcast, "Aware and Aggravated," as a platform to showcase his true self and counteract negative perceptions. His authenticity resonated with a growing audience, leading to significant social media traction.

Leo Skeppi [68:29]: "I started being myself, just genuine, straight up me... it will make all those claims become so clearly invalid."

Leo’s podcast became a therapeutic outlet, allowing him to process his experiences while inspiring others facing similar struggles.

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VII. Future Plans and Achievements

Leo has recently signed with UTA, one of the largest talent agencies, marking a significant milestone in his career. He is expanding his influence by developing a vitamin line aimed at mitigating the effects of lifestyle choices and planning live events to engage with his audience more directly.

Leo Skeppi [71:53]: "I started my podcast and everything has been blowing up... signed with UTA two days ago."

His entrepreneurial spirit and commitment to authenticity continue to drive his endeavors, positioning him as a beacon of resilience and empowerment.

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VIII. Conclusion

The episode concludes with Leo expressing gratitude and optimism for the future, despite the adversities he has faced. His story is a testament to overcoming adversity through self-acceptance, resilience, and the relentless pursuit of personal growth.

Leo Skeppi [78:09]: "Thank you."

Bunnie XO [78:26]: "I love you so much, Leo. You are my new BFF."

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Notable Quotes

• Leo Skeppi [10:09]: "I wish something just fucked up happened to me."
• Leo Skeppi [20:00]: "He was extremely abusive... choked me out, put a gun to my head."
• Leo Skeppi [54:05]: "I went in court three times and won every time."
• Leo Skeppi [68:29]: "I started being myself, just genuine, straight up me..."
• Leo Skeppi [71:53]: "I started my podcast and everything has been blowing up... signed with UTA two days ago."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Dumb Blonde offers a raw and honest portrayal of Leo Skeppi’s life, highlighting his struggles and triumphs with remarkable depth and sincerity. Listeners are sure to find inspiration in Leo’s journey of self-discovery and empowerment.

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Connect with Leo Skeppi:

• TikTok & Instagram: @LeoSkeppi
• Podcast: Aware and Aggravated (Available on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify)
• Website: leoskepi.com

Subscribe to Dumb Blonde Podcasts on Patreon for exclusive content and behind-the-scenes access.

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[Unknown]

Hi, baby. I'm so excited to be here.

[Leo]

Dude, I'm so happy you're here. I did not know you were a Texas boy.

[Unknown]

I was born in Florida, but I just moved to Houston.

[Leo]

Okay, so how long have you been in Houston? Because I'm from Houston.

[Unknown]

I'm coming up on a year.

[Leo]

Oh, wow.

[Unknown]

And I'm already sick of it.

[Leo]

Oh, really? I was just. That was my next question. Why are you sick of it?

[Unknown]

I just feel like I've outgrown it.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And I don't mean to, like, be like an egotistical, but like, the opportunities there, they don't excite me. I like to be scared. I like to feel like I'm intimidated by an opportunity and I don't feel that, like, LA is where I'm moving to in July.

[Leo]

Oh, wow.

[Unknown]

Plot twist. I haven't told anyone that.

[Leo]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Unknown]

I'm moving because, like, that's the shit that makes me scared.

[Leo]

So I grew up on the west coast, and if I could give you any advice before you go to la, and I don't want to crush your dreams, I feel LA has lost its spirit. Sparkle. It's not like it used to be. Yeah. I don't know how much time you've spent out there, but, like, I grew up LA Vegas, so it's like back in the day, that was. It was like, so cool. And now I feel like every time I go there, like, I really feel like it's just like a city of lost souls, if that makes sense. So I don't know, but I do. Not to be a dream killer, but.

[Unknown]

No, I literally went there for six days for a trip, and I was like, oh, I love it. Here I come.

[Leo]

I love it. Well, then go, baby, go.

[Unknown]

It was more like the people that I met.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That made it the experience. There were some fake people. You can just smell it. A lot of people say Louisiana is fake. There's all this and that. Like, if you don't have a good judge of character, of course. But I can kind of like just like, smell it.

[Leo]

No, I think you can see through people's bullshit for sure. So I fell in love with you on TikTok. I think you came across my page and I was like, who is this fine ass motherfucker? I was like, he is beautiful. But not only just your looks, your just how you are on the inside is what's so beautiful to me. And, like, what drew me in with you. And then as I started watching you, I was like, oh, my God, I need to have him on the podcast. And then I saw how many other people love you. And then I found out you had a podcast. Let's talk about your podcast.

[Unknown]

Yeah, my podcast. I'm the first gay person to chart number one in education.

[Leo]

I love that.

[Unknown]

Which is huge. Like, I get chills talking about it. Like, my nipples are so hard.

[Leo]

Yeah, like, it's.

[Unknown]

It's insane. But, like, that podcast, I literally started it from my dad's closet. Like, I just had my phone. It's funny. In the closet.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

But I just started, like, with my phone in the closet, like, propped up on a shelf. And I would just talk and I would just share, like, anything I'VE learned and knew about life that I couldn't find when I was, like, struggling. And then it just, like, snowballed. And I've been doing it for, like, a year and a half. In the past three months, it has blown up, and now I'm not in the closet no more. Is it literally or figuratively?

[Leo]

Isn't it crazy how podcasts can be so therapeutic?

[Unknown]

Oh, I love it.

[Leo]

I suffer from really bad mental health. I have really bad anxiety and, like, suicidal ideation and stuff like that, which we just had told me that you had about with that. And I've been doing my podcast for five years, and it's been one of the most therapeutic things I've ever done.

[Unknown]

It really is.

[Leo]

Really helped me kind of come out of my shell.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Mine kind of is, like, sharing what I've learned, but it, like, heals me in a weird way by, like, sharing what I've been through and sharing how I've overcome it. I learn a lot of things, and it's like my own little therapy. I'm the therapist and the client.

[Leo]

Right. You control the narrative. I totally understand.

[Unknown]

So nice. But I fully get it. And there's been multiple times where the things that I say. I always speak to my younger self in my podcast, so my messages are very harsh and direct and harsh truths. And it's like, I baby you when it's necessary, and then I tell you to get off your ass and quit.

[Leo]

Being a. I think people need that, though.

[Unknown]

Yeah. But, like, there's so many times where I'll say certain things that I needed to hear so bad, and when I'm editing it back, I'll just start fucking bawling like a baby. And I'm, like, hearing, like, myself say it. Hearing anyone say it was just like, whoa. Like, I have those moments. I love it.

[Leo]

Yeah, I love that, too. I love listening to you because you are so kind of poetic with your words, too. You draw people in. Let's rewind it, though. I want to know more about you, like, where you came from, like, growing up. I want to know about childhood traumas. I want to know all about Leo and how I want to pronounce your last name. How do I say it? Is it Skeppy?

[Unknown]

Yes, Skeppy.

[Leo]

Okay. I wanted to make sure I said it right. I want to know all about Leo Skeppy. So where was Leo born?

[Unknown]

Pensacola, Florida.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Well, every time I say I'm from Florida, people are like, oh, Miami. I'm, like, the absolute opposite end of it in the Worst spot, Pensacola, is right next to Alabama. But it's also right next to the beach.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

So you get so many different dynamics of people. Like, you have like the little city people. It's like there's certain areas that are like ghetto as hell. Like the murder rate and the crime rate is so bad. And then you have like the hicks and like the country people from Alabama who don't mind their business.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

And so I have like that. And then you have like the beach people. And it's like it just was a melting pot, but it contributed to me being who I am. Like, I got it all.

[Leo]

Did you grow up there, like your whole life? Okay, so that's where you grew up. And then were you raised by mom and dad?

[Unknown]

Yes. So my dad is Albanian and my mom is white.

[Leo]

That's where your intensity comes from.

[Unknown]

Yes. My mom moved in with my dad and his family at 16 when they met. So she was raised as an Albanian girl. So she has all the morals, traits, values. So that's kind of like how it's like I. She's white. But I was raised in like a traditionally Albanian household and. Nuts.

[Leo]

Was it super strict growing up or like super religious?

[Unknown]

Not really. But I don't know how to explain it. Like, it wasn't bad. You're just raised. It's like the way you can explain the Albanian way of life and culture is it's the. All the morals and values of like the mob mafia lifestyle are instilled in everyday people. So like the loyalty, respect, all of that is like very high held.

[Leo]

Absolutely.

[Unknown]

And that's how you're judged.

[Leo]

I grew up with a bunch of Chaldeans in Vegas and that's how they operate too.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Like, there's no betrayal, there's no nothing. And if you cross one, you cross all.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So everybody will come at you like, that's just. That's the way I can explain Albanian culture. But like the biggest thing for me, kind of with all that back to my past and all that, I got bullied in high school. I was fat, I was ugly, I was all that. But the biggest thing with the Albanian culture is the most, like the biggest disgrace and the worst thing you can do is be gay. And here I am.

[Leo]

Were you always. Did you. When you were a baby, did you not a baby, but like, you know, growing up, did you always. Were you always attracted to boys or did something happen? Like, was something traumatic or.

[Unknown]

I wish it was that simple. Like, I wish like something just fucked up happened to me. No, it Was kind of like a battle with my sexuality. And I started getting feelings for guys at a younger age, like middle school type. But I was like, no, they're just my friends.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

And I was, like, looking at them a little different, and I would just shut it down in my head.

[Leo]

I was humping girls when I was five. I mean, I. It. Listen, I was a horny little goat. It's all right, you know, Like, I think it just is something and. But the thing is, is, like, I don't consider myself gay because, like, I love men. I need penetration, but I also appreciate women, you know, so it's like, does that make me buy. I don't know, you know? Like, I think everybody wants a label. And it's just like, just be who you are, love who you love.

[Unknown]

I know I'm like that. I wish I wasn't gay, but I'm just a faggot. I can't help it. Like, I like men, but I don't like little sissy men.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

I like tough men.

[Leo]

We're going to get into that because when I first saw you, I was like, he is so hot. So I would think that women would try to, like, turn you out because you're so masculine and. But you're, like, so in touch with your feelings and, like, you're like a dream guy for every girl. Like, you know, every woman. Every woman's probably like, I am so confused watching this man every day.

[Unknown]

Yeah. I have a lot of people that try and, like, convert me and sway me. But one thing that I do do is I don't.

[Leo]

He said that so calmly. He said, I do have a lot of people who try to convert me and sway me.

[Unknown]

Yeah. But, like, I do like to make out with my girlfriends. I love kissing girls. I love being affectionate. But when it comes to sex, it's like, that's. I need the masculinity.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

It would just be so easy if I was straight. So easy.

[Leo]

I mean, but it's. You love who you love, you know? It's like, me, I like to make out with girls whenever I'm drunk or, like, I'm going out too, you know? But I need a man to fucking toss me around. So let's bring it back. You said in high. In junior high school is when you started noticing that you were attracted to boys and stuff like that. Take me on that journey because you're in this really. You know, I don't want to say strict Albanian lifestyle, but, you know, you were raised in a certain way where That's. It wasn't acceptable.

[Unknown]

Yeah. So I had the thoughts, but I immediately just shut them down. Like, even like as I got into high school, I was more like, okay, I am 100 into guys. Like, I know it. But I was like, that will never come out of me.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

I will never act on it. I will never do anything. I will. That's not a potential. So don't even think that way. And I just shut it down inside myself.

[Leo]

Do you think you did that because of how you were raised or because you were like, okay, and like, for.

[Unknown]

Me, that someone looks. That looks like me and behaves like me and is from where I'm from. That's. I never in my life thought I would come out ever. And just like to have like. I'm such a contradiction. Like the typical gay I'm not.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

And the typical straight dude I'm not. So I don't. I've never felt a sense of belonging or felt like I've fit in. So I don't know why I thought I'd have like an easy time with sexuality, but I don't fit any kind of like, stereotype.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

And I like it now.

[Leo]

No, I love damn challenge to get here. So it's. When you finally did this, were you close with your dad and close with your mom or how was that relationship? And do you have brothers and sisters?

[Unknown]

Yes, my sisters.

[Leo]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[Unknown]

So I have a sister and my parents. My relationship with my parents has been back and forth. Like they got. Well, they started getting divorced when I was like a child. But it strung out in court and it was like an absolute show. And it was just like a lot of like things kids shouldn't know.

[Leo]

Oh.

[Unknown]

We were told and we had to make adult decisions from a young age. And then it was like, like the loyalty thing. When you showed appreciation or cared about one parent, the other parent took it as a betrayal. So it was very hard to navigate. Like, I came from both of you.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And you want me to pick? It's like it's. One parent was always pushing more of the picking, but it wasn't really. It was just a lot to take in.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

And it was hectic with that. But what was the question? I got off track.

[Leo]

No, I mean, I was just saying, were you close to your parents?

[Unknown]

Yes, I was close with them, but we had our. I've cut both of them off at multiple points. Like, I've stop talking to both of my parents. I up sometimes they up sometimes it just was back and forth. But Now I'm in a place where we're good.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

So growth.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like everything happened how it had to and we wouldn't be where we are.

[Leo]

Isn't it so crazy how dysfunctional all of our parents are? Like every, every one of us sitting in this room, besides the two that, you know that share parents, it's like we all have dysfunctional as parents, you know, like they just did not heal. They were the generation that chose not to heal. And I feel like we're the generation that has came in and we're like, bro, we are going to fuck shit up and we're going to change this shit. No matter what the genetic DNA fucking trauma. We are just changing this shit. And I love that for all of us.

[Unknown]

Yeah. I think the biggest thing with that kind of perspective on it is our parents. They had, they feel things. They don't like certain shit. They don't follow the way that they feel. They don't care that they're uncomfortable. They'll just suck it up and just deal with shit.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Our generation is like, okay, why am I upset?

[Leo]

Right?

[Unknown]

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[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

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[Unknown]

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We have Truly's. Truly's have vodka in them, right? I don't know. I've never drank one. I'm sober, so I don't drink them.

[Unknown]

I know. When I found out you didn't drink, I was like, oh.

[Leo]

Ah. I had to. Okay. I listen, it was bad. I was popping pills and drinking bottles of vodka by myself. It was a thing. I grew up in Vegas. Okay. Like, I lived the Vegas lifestyle.

[Unknown]

Okay. So I have to talk about kind of coming to terms with my sexuality a little first. Because I went from like, okay, I know that I'm into guys, but I will never act on it. And then I started seeing a therapist. And I was like, I love that.

[Leo]

You were that young and you were so conscious to go see a therapist.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I was like 19.

[Leo]

Wow.

[Unknown]

The reason I went to a therapist therapist is because I hadn't cried since I'm like 12. So I was like, 19. And I was like, why don't I feel the emotion of sadness? Like, I don't feel sad. I get pissed off or I'm happy.

[Leo]

Why that was. Or did you come to a conclusion of why that was.

[Unknown]

Sad? And being hurt in any way was looked at. Looked at as a weakness. So I completely cut off from that Part of myself, like, I would feel numb, pissed off or happy. And I got such, like, a deep pit of, like, that numbness. One time I was like, I'm having all these, like, traumatic ass things happen to me and I don't cry. I was like, what the hell's going on?

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So I'm like, 19. I'm like, oh, How I made money was another story.

[Leo]

Oh, we're going to talk about that, too. Don't think you're getting out of that. Were you already doing that in high school? I thought maybe that would be after. But were you? You said some traumatic things were happening to you. What are some of those traumatic things that were going on that you weren't reacting to?

[Unknown]

Okay, so, like, everything going on with my parents, betrayals from other family members, trying to be killed by a few people. One was family.

[Leo]

Why?

[Unknown]

Crazy Albanian? My stepdad was extremely. I don't know how to explain him and the dynamic of him, but he was, like, extremely abusive and prepared me for life. Like, he was an ex con, had murdered a bunch of people, served his time, got out, still operated from the prison mentality. So he feels like.

[Leo]

It's hard to break that.

[Unknown]

Oh, you can't break it. It's like when people come back from war.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Once you get your brain's completely altered. Like, when you see the world in that way, you can't forget it. So, like, he knew how dark the world was and he wanted to prepare me for it. But what he did to me was, like, do everything to me that could be done to prepare me. So, like, anything you can imagine, like, went through it. Like, he had, like, choked me out, put a gun to my head, like, attacked me when I was sleeping multiple times. So I was always ready, even while I'm asleep. Like, people will come up to me now and, like, try to put a blanket on me when I'm sleeping. And my body just, like, I start, like, swinging just out of, like.

[Leo]

Did you ever suffer from, like, anxiety and stuff like that?

[Unknown]

That was the least of my worries. Anxiety, depression.

[Leo]

Yeah, yeah. He's like, bitch, I'm trying to survive.

[Unknown]

Right. Like, all of that was there. Like, that was a lot of it. And then he was.

[Leo]

Did he ever sexually abuse you?

[Unknown]

No.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Luckily, yeah.

[Leo]

I mean. I mean, he did everything else.

[Unknown]

What else? At that point, I could have handled it.

[Leo]

God, that's terrible, though. How old were you going through that?

[Unknown]

I was. It was like 16 to 18.

[Leo]

That's so up. And did your mom know that was happening?

[Unknown]

Not really, but he was abusing the hell out of her, too. So, like, he was doing similar, like, abusive things to her. So we were both, like, trapped together and a lot of weird with that. But he died, like, tragically.

[Leo]

Karma.

[Unknown]

He was going, like, a hundred and, like, fifty miles an hour on a bike. He had a hayabusa and he would trick it out to go, like, 300 miles an hour. He was going, like, 150 and a car pulled out. When he was going down some, like, my gosh, I know it was a freeway or whatever the. It was like he pulled out, someone pulled out and he hit them, and he flew, like, 60ft in the air. His head came off in his helmet. He was laying on the side of the road. Yeah. That was, like, a big thing. I didn't cry for, like, a few months.

[Leo]

Well, I mean, that's kind of warranted. The dude traumatized you, you know?

[Unknown]

But I loved him so much.

[Leo]

He had a trauma bond with him.

[Unknown]

It's weird.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, he. I know he hurt me in so many ways, but, like, his intention was to help me and prepare me. So. I know you fucked me up a lot, but I could take on anything in this world now. I have no fear.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And I don't say that lightly.

[Leo]

I think it's beautiful that you look at it that way. I really do. And I understand it because I was in a severely domestic violence relationship, and it has taken me years to cut that cord with the person who hurt me the most physically and emotionally. So I totally understand. The way that you're looking at it is beautiful, though, and it's inspiring because most kids who would be in that situation would. I don't want to say feel sorry for themselves, but would internalize that, and it would come out in other ways. So I think for you to be able to look at it and kind of make it into a positive is a beautiful thing.

[Unknown]

Yeah. This. The real thing that made me flip. My perspective on it was when he died. It's like he was this thing that was untouchable. Like, no one can hurt him. No one could touch him. I had seen him get shot. I had seen him get stabbed. I had seen him been hit by cars. I'd seen him, like, take on groups of 15 people and knock them all out. Didn't get touched. Violence, like a fucking superhero. And, like, I had this person. It was weird. Like, when I was on his side, I was untouchable. If he was mad at me, I was fucked. Like, he would kill me. So on his good side, I Felt like safe and protected. Like he was showing me how bad the world was. But he was the only one that could hurt me. And then I saw how like dark the world is and what can actually happen, what people are capable of.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And when I lost him, I was so scared because I was like, this person showed me how bad the world is and is no longer here to help me to protect you. And I was just like, that's what made me flip it in my mind of like. Now I'm sad I lost them because I'm fucking terrified. That was like a big part of it.

[Leo]

So take me on that journey after losing him. What? You were already getting involved in stuff. Illegal activities.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Leo]

Can we talk about it a little bit?

[Unknown]

Let's talk about it.

[Leo]

I know you said you've hinted about it online and stuff like that, but what was Leo doing? Were you like so 17?

[Unknown]

I started, I want to say escorting.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

But for money, basically.

[Leo]

I love it.

[Unknown]

But I would never anyone for money that I wouldn't for free.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

You know what I mean? So I was like, I don't want to do no nasty.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

But I started like having sex for money.

[Leo]

How old?

[Unknown]

Started off I was 17.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Like, I couldn't get hired anywhere. I was trying to get jobs, places, couldn't get hired. So I was like, I had to make money. Yeah.

[Leo]

So I was an escort for in Vegas.

[Unknown]

I know.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That's what I'm comfortable talking to you about it because you get it.

[Leo]

Yeah, no, I understand 100%.

[Unknown]

I'm going to miss it. It's so fun.

[Leo]

Listen, listen. Do I not always say if I. I will suck a dick for an outfit if I have to, like, tired.

[Unknown]

Of spending my own money?

[Leo]

No, it was. Listen, when you are accustomed to a certain type of lifestyle and people just being a sugar baby, like, it is really hard to acclimate to the normal world. I will harvest money in my bank account asking me. I will not spend it. Like, it's just. It's a frame of mind that you just. Unless you've lived the lifestyle, you don't really understand it.

[Unknown]

Right. I'll get into my sugar daddy story.

[Leo]

Yeah, but so 17, that's. That's young because you are underage, you know. Who introduced you to that?

[Unknown]

Nobody.

[Leo]

Nobody. You just came up with it on your own or did somebody make an offer to you? Because I know my first. The first time I ever turned a trick was I was. How old was I fucking. Well, technically, I guess I was 18. Because my first sugar Daddy hired me at my job and bought me my first car, so. But I didn't turn. It was a Honda.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Leo]

This was back in 1998.

[Unknown]

That was when I was born.

[Leo]

Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. No, I've lived a few lives before you, baby.

[Unknown]

I would love it.

[Leo]

But then my first trick I ever turned, I had met the guy in the strip club, and he was Persian, and. Yeah.

[Unknown]

So I love it.

[Leo]

Yeah, Let me hear about that. So, 17, you decided that you were going to enter the adult entertainment world.

[Unknown]

Not really entertainment, just like, the adult. Like, I had something I knew people wanted.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

A big dick. And I was young and I was cute.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, that was when I finally, like, got my body in shape. I stopped being fat and I was, like, attractive. So I was like, all right, let's try it. And I had a situation happen where it was like, I was. I was at a certain hair salon I used to go to. Like, I would, like, be strategic. I was going to, like, a nice hair salon, and the lady that would cut my hair would have people sit under the dryer and cut my hair. Like, women, like rich women would, like, sit in the chair and I would get my hair cut and then we would, like, shoot and talk. One time there was a girl there. I'm not gonna say her name that, but we were, like, shooting. We got along. And then she, like, asked for my number before I left. So like, we talked, we hung out one time. And then another time she saw me in the chair. I had on a shirt that should said, like, sugar mama wanted. Like, as a joke, like, I just, like, had the shirt. I was like, oh, it's funny. And then we ended up hooking up.

[Leo]

Was she older?

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Leo]

Okay, how much?

[Unknown]

41.

[Leo]

Oh, wow.

[Unknown]

Something.

[Leo]

And you were at 17. I could never. I'm 43. I could never look at a 17 year old and be like. Like, this is not. Maybe 22, but not 17.

[Unknown]

Looked or acted my age. Like, I don't act 25. I don't look 20.

[Leo]

No, you don't. You do. Carry yourself very.

[Unknown]

So we ended up hooking up. And then when I was, like, going to leave, she handed me 500 bucks.

[Leo]

Wow.

[Unknown]

And I was like, what's that for? And she was like, oh, I saw your shirt. And I was like, oh, fuck. Okay.

[Leo]

She's done this before.

[Unknown]

I was like, fun. So I kept seeing her, like, a little bit. And then I was like, this could be a thing, right? But then I realized, like, sugar mamas are harder to find. The sugar daddies. So that's when I was like, I'll start exploring sugar daddies and fucking men for money.

[Leo]

Okay, so before you did that, were you still kind of, like, trying to, you know, squash down those feelings of being with men, or had you already been with a man?

[Unknown]

I hadn't.

[Leo]

You hadn't been with a man yet.

[Unknown]

So I. I don't know if I have or hadn't. I can't remember. There's too much to fill in now we're going to. But with therapy, the whole thing with that, like, I was talking to my therapist, that was the first person I talked to about the feelings I had. And, like, when I was trying to speak it my body, like, full fight or flight mode. Like, I couldn't speak. Like, I couldn't speak. Like, I think I might be attracted to men. Like, I could not get it out. I was sweating and, like, my body was, like, shutting down. It's like everything inside me was, like, not letting me reveal this truth. And it's like I had to, like, rip it out of myself. I was like, can you just speak it out? And my therapist was like, no, you're totally fine. You're totally fine. And just, like, held space for me. And then I got it out. And though I am so egotistical and ego driven, and I was bringing it up to her, like, I'm into guys because I like to demasculinize them like I like to men. And, like, I'm attracted to men that I could, like, I see all macho and tough stuff, and then I get to them. It's like, that is still a fetish of mine.

[Leo]

No, I completely understand. I have said it a million times on my podcast. I got into escortings because I got to take men's money. I would rob them. I would tell them when they could touch me, how they could touch me. And this is because I was abused as. As a little girl. So it was me taking my power back. So for you, it was the same thing of you taking your power back.

[Unknown]

That for you, is healing. Because I heard someone, I think it was Teal Swan. She talked about the version of healing that everybody thinks it is, is not it? Like, healing is to experience the opposite. So if you had an experience where you were taken advantage of and didn't have any control over a sexual situation, a sexual situation where you have all the control, that's healing. Even though people are like, oh, it's up. You stole. You this, you that. Shut up. Yeah, that healed you that experience Healing.

[Leo]

You are my best dealio.

[Unknown]

I'll fight for you.

[Leo]

I love you.

[Unknown]

I'm gonna kill for you.

[Leo]

Literally same. But for you, was that the same experience? Like, whenever you finally did get to be with men, was it healing for you because you. You were. You know, I don't want to. I don't. I know this might be the wrong word to use, but you felt so helpless as a child because you were being. I don't want to. You know, abused by your stepfather. Do you think that might have played a role even younger? Like, you didn't have an opinion. You weren't allowed to have an opinion because of being raised in, you know, that lifestyle. So you had to be matcha. You had to be manly. So do you think that maybe that in turn kind of, like, internalized into feelings of what you were starting to feel for other men and about how you wanted to dominate them and stuff?

[Unknown]

I tried to pick it apart from every angle. I just didn't want to have to accept that I was gay.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I literally was like, no, I'm not into guys. I just. I want to look like certain guys. I'm not attracted to them. I just admire certain traits. My therapist was like, that's not typically how it goes. Like, she would politely, like, shut down all the holes I was trying to shoot in my argument of, like, I'm a. Like, I didn't want to be. That was like, the worst thing I could be for myself and my life.

[Leo]

It's beautiful, though.

[Unknown]

But I was literally, like, trying to nitpick it, and I was like, am I attracted to them? No, I just like to demasculinize them. Like, and then I was like, you kind of are attractive to them too. Like, I had to, like, be real with myself, right? And I finally got to a point where I was like, all right, like, I'll just, like, do in private. And, like, I started, like, experimenting, and then I started going.

[Leo]

Remember the first time with a man or. No. Were you probably too nervous and were you getting paid? Was your first time with a man getting paid?

[Unknown]

It wasn't transactional.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

But I got paid.

[Leo]

Right. Okay. So you were a sugar baby.

[Unknown]

Basically. So that's my first, like, situation.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

And, like, I was. Okay. So, like, I met this guy, and this is where my whole coming out part comes. And I haven't talked about any of this.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

I've talked about my piece of X that I hate, and this is him. But I met this guy online, and he was basically, like, we. He wants to Hang out. But I was like, what the fuck am I gonna get? Like, we were on a sugar daddy website, Right? Let's make it clear I'm not someone that likes gray area.

[Leo]

Yeah, me either.

[Unknown]

I don't like to bullshit.

[Leo]

Let's get to the point, right? Absolutely.

[Unknown]

Like, if there's a transaction, I want both ends clear.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

So it was basically, come fly to Atlanta and hang out with me for the weekend. And he was like, what would you, like, want to do? Like, shopping wise? And I was like, I want a Louis Vuitton backpack. And it was like 3K. And I was like, I'm getting a Louis Vuitton backpack. I was like, okay, so we'll hang out. And there was no sex, like, promise or anything like that. It was just like, hang out, see where it goes.

[Leo]

Right?

[Unknown]

And when I got there and we met, it was like the money part was enticing. And I knew I was getting a backpack. But feelings quickly arose and I was like, this is not a sugar daddy dynamic. This is not escort dynamic. This is, like, weird.

[Leo]

And when we were attracted to him.

[Unknown]

Yeah. When we went to the mall, his behaviors made him attractive at the time. He wasn't that cute, but, like, it was my.

[Leo]

And I don't know who you're talking about.

[Unknown]

So, yeah, it was my first time, like, getting close with a guy like that. So I was, like, overwhelmed.

[Leo]

Like, you were able to be your true self.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Leo]

And somebody wasn't judging you.

[Unknown]

So we ended up hanging out over the weekend. It was fun. We went to the mall. I got the backpack.

[Leo]

I love that he loves the backpack. Even now when you talk about the backpack, your little shoulders get going.

[Unknown]

Like, it was my first, like, yeah. Reflection of, like, yeah, money. It was like, value. It was weird because I was raised very transactional. Like, money is what's going to make you happy. If you don't have money, you have nothing. So I was in school for nursing school at, like, from 18 to 21. And then I graduated at 21. And this is when I met this dude.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

So we went to the mall, got the backpack, had sex that night. Because I was feeling it. Like, I was like, let's do it. Like, we made out and it was just, like, hot. All right, let's try it. Next day we go back to the mall, and he dropped like 15,000 more dollars on me. Like a Cartier bracelet, a Versace comforter, like some hoodies. Just like, anything I wanted. We were just, like, running around. Like, I was giving Pretty Woman as. But I Was like, this is fun.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

But like that high of touching that type shit and like having that lifestyle. I was like, whoa. And then I saw him again and again and again and I just kept flying to see him like every other weekend. Like I'd go home and work and then I'd go see him and it was just back and forth. But every time we'd hang out, he was like buying me a bunch of like anything I wanted, we'd get it. And then we started traveling and doing all these things. But basically how it came to coming out, I was traveling to go see this man a lot.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And my sister knew the truth from the get go. She's the only one I told about everything.

[Leo]

She's beautiful by the way she looks like. She don't play though.

[Unknown]

Oh, she's just like me.

[Leo]

Yeah. Yeah, you could. She has that aura of her.

[Unknown]

Yeah. A little more like fun, outgoing one and she's like, she's fun and outgoing but she observes first. Like, she's like held back and just like cool. But then as soon as you like make her feel comfortable, she'll like open up and she's just like me.

[Leo]

I love that.

[Unknown]

She's awesome. She's very protective too.

[Leo]

A. Is she older?

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Leo]

We're talking about her. Like she's not here, but she's sitting right here. I love that.

[Unknown]

So with the whole like traveling a lot, I was like, my parents were starting to be like, what the hell's going on? Like, what are you doing traveling so much?

[Leo]

Were you still living at home with my dad?

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Leo]

Okay, gotcha.

[Unknown]

I was 21.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

And I just finished nursing school and I was like, I. I just got my real estate license too. So like I graduated nursing school. I had a week in between when I started my job. So I went to real estate school and it was like 8am to 6pm every day for a week, like Monday through Sunday. And then you take the test, pass the course, and then you go take your test and get the thing, whatever. I got that. And I had a whole trajectory for what my life was going to be. I was going to move away. I was going to do real estate. I was going to travel nursing. And then I met this dude and it flipped everything. And my parents were kind of like, what the hell's going on? Like with this guy? Because they knew it was a guy. At this point, I was lying and say it was saying it was a sugar mama. And I was like, oh, I'm going to see a sugar mama. And they Were like, my mom has never been okay with me, like, exchanging myself for money.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

And my dad was kind of like, get what you fucking can.

[Leo]

This is real dad, not stepdad.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Leo]

Okay, so to rewind it back, you're very open with your parents then. So your parents know what you were doing with the sugar mamas and stuff. That's amazing because I was the same way with my dad. I was kind of. My dad groomed me, I guess, to be in the adult industry. He was like, you know, marry for money. And like, you know, that's exactly how my family was too. So I think that's cool that you were able to confide in them and what you were doing.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Leo]

Halfway.

[Unknown]

It's kind of like me and my sister had each other through everything we were going through. And when your relationship with your parents isn't stable, we had to take care of ourselves.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Like, they were there to help, but it's like, we raised ourselves, we raised each other, and, like, where the fuck was I going with that? Oh, the dynamic with my dad and my mom, like, telling them things. It's not like I'm confiding in you. I'm asking for your advice. I'm asking for your help. I'm asking for your permission.

[Leo]

Okay, gotcha.

[Unknown]

I don't ask for permission.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

My sister doesn't either. Like, I'm letting you know what I'm doing because you asked.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Like, you don't get to control my life if you didn't, like, participate. Like, if you're not there for me, if you're not. My relationship with my parents for a while was like, roommate. Oh, my. With my dad, it was like, roommates. So I was like, there was not really, like, a dad relationship.

[Leo]

Okay. So they. It's not like they knew what was going on because they cared. They just knew what was going on because they asked.

[Unknown]

Yeah, like, they did care. But, like, when parents. Like, my dad works all the time and, like, that's his. Like, he has his own business and he's always doing that. So, like, you don't have time when you're running a big business to. Oh, big for him. Like, should I be talking about this?

[Leo]

I think they cared enough until, like, they just.

[Unknown]

As long as we weren't tarnishing their.

[Leo]

Name, they didn't give a. So we stayed out of trouble. We weren't making them look bad. They didn't give a. Gotcha. How did they find out that it was a man that you were seeing?

[Unknown]

How? I don't remember. Did we tell them?

[Leo]

It started when the court, when, like, y'all had the falling out and it went bad. And then you had to come out.

[Unknown]

And tell dad that it was a dude because you were gonna go to court.

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[Unknown]

Okay, so I only told my mom it was a guy, right? Because I'm very, very close with my mom now. Like, she's my sister, and my mom are my two closest people. And my mom, I'm way more open and honest with, like, my dad is like, a more distant connection emotionally. My mom is very, like, close emotionally. And I was like, I sat her down one day and told her basically that I was seeing it was a sugar daddy, not a sugar mama, right? And that was my first, like, talking to her about potentially being into guys. So it was a lot for her to take in.

[Leo]

Did she never suspect that?

[Unknown]

Like, everyone had suspected it, but no one, like, really thought, right? Like, I was very convincing, right? And I really fucked up the way that I came out to her because I was too ego driven, like, I said, to own up to I have feelings for guys because I thought that would make me be disgusting. And, like, that's the worst thing you can be is gay. So I was like, I want to be able to, like, be honest about what I'm doing, but not have to take on the shame and the embarrassment. So I was like, yeah, I'm just him for money, though. And my mom was like, okay, that I'm not all right with. And like her reaction was like, she's all for me being gay. She's very accepting. And the day that we had the conversation, I misread it. I thought she was not okay with me being gay. She was not okay with me just a guy for money. She's like, you don't need to be doing this to him. Like, if he's over here thinking you actually like him and you're just fucking him for money, that's not fair.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

I was in a full on relationship with this person. It was not that I just couldn't take the ego hit. I was like, I'd rather say I'm fucking him for money. So I can live the best of both worlds. I can be in my relationship and my family doesn't think less of me. But that just shows like the dynamic in my head of like, I thought it was better to look like an escort than to be gay.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Which, like, not that there's wrong with either of them, I could just handle I'm him for money. Not that I genuinely like him.

[Leo]

You weren't accepting it in within yourself that you were gay yet. So it was hard for you to even put that into words.

[Unknown]

So I really hurt my mom in this because I cut her off because I thought she wasn't okay with my sexuality. She wasn't okay with what I was saying that I was doing to this guy. And we had like a big, like fight about it. And then I cut her off for like three months and we didn't talk. And then I, like, as I was so emotional in my own head and trying to keep up with all these different stories, I misread what my mom was saying and I feel so bad about that genuinely. But I, after everything calmed down and I was further along in the relationship, I was thinking about my mom and I was like, leo, you up?

[Leo]

No.

[Unknown]

So I had to reach back out to her and like we had a conversation and she cleared it up that she was. She's totally okay with me being gay. She's fully supportive and anyone that speaks bad of me, now she's like fists up, like gun out, like, say it again. Like, she's fully there for me and supports, but like she cleared it up and was like, my problem was never that you were gay. I don't want you to ever think that.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

My problem was that you were one, like looking at yourself like you're something just Disposable, you can just exchange for money. And two, like, she's like, you're better. Like, you're worth more than that. And like, if you're gonna be doing it for a couple bags and some jewelry, be doing it for a house, right? Like, she didn't encourage that. But she's like, don't belittle yourself. Like, for some little. Like, like. And then she was like, we love mom. Me too. She was like, the fact that you were doing it to him, like, I had convinced her I was, like, manipulating him, right? Like, I actually liked him and I was just using him for money. And she was like, I was not cool with that, right? And she's like, I'm still not cool with it, but I am okay with you being gay. And then I came clean and was like, well, I'm actually dating him. Like, I had to come out and I felt so bad. I was like, I owe my mom the truth, so even if it makes me look like shit, I'm more accepted of it in myself now. So I came clean. I was like, I'm actually dating him. And she was so excited. So, oh, my God, I want to meet him. And she's like, it makes me feel better that you're not just, like, using him.

[Leo]

Right?

[Unknown]

And so, like, we reconnected and rekindled and we're tighter than we've ever been. So I'm very happy about that. She did meet him multiple times. I came when I moved into, like, when I moved to Atlanta and lived with them, she came and visited. Like, it was a very cool thing.

[Leo]

I love that.

[Unknown]

But I didn't come out to my. My dad still thought it was a sugar mama, right? So I need to drink some water.

[Leo]

Is this where it gets up?

[Unknown]

God, this is we're gonna do.

[Leo]

I feel so bad. You've been through so much, dude. Like, you guys have had a pretty brutal childhood.

[Unknown]

You know, people ask me how I am the way that I am, and I'm like, there's nothing I haven't been through. Yeah, I don't say that lightly.

[Leo]

You're a warrior.

[Unknown]

I don't wanna. I didn't sign up to be God's toughest soldier.

[Leo]

Mrs. Battle, who hands that. What is it? He hands his hardest battles to the people who can handle it. I say the same thing. I've been through a lot of too. And I'm like, okay, Lord, enough. I've had enough like, it.

[Bunny]

But you know what?

[Leo]

My life as I've gotten older has gotten smoother. So Maybe it just happens in the beginning so that the rest of the ride is just home free, you know?

[Unknown]

Yeah. But when I die and I get to the gates of heaven, I'm swinging.

[Bunny]

Ah.

[Unknown]

I don't give a fuck.

[Leo]

Why did you do that to me?

[Unknown]

Everything you wanted to throw at me. There's a contest. Consequences. Wait till I get up there.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I swear to God.

[Leo]

All right, so let's circle back to dad finding out.

[Unknown]

Okay, so when I left my ex, like the most up you can do to someone in a relationship, he did everything you can think of that could go wrong.

[Leo]

What happened?

[Unknown]

Everything. Think of something right now that could go wrong in a relationship.

[Leo]

I mean, abuse.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Leo]

He's like, yeah, that's physical, emotional.

[Unknown]

What else you got?

[Leo]

Yeah, I mean, I don't. Trying to kill you. No, he didn't try to kill you.

[Unknown]

That would have been easy. Oh, he actually did try to kill me because he did lie to me about having hiv.

[Leo]

Oh, my goodness.

[Unknown]

That's something I've never said on the Internet.

[Leo]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Mm.

[Leo]

So he had hiv. That just made my heart drop. So he had hiv and this was your first experience. Experience with a man and he lied to you?

[Unknown]

I asked him before, like, I'm very paranoid about STDs.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Always have been. And I asked him before I met up with him. I was like, you're clean, you have nothing. Like, he was like, yes, like, I'm clean. I'm like, fully, like, nothing. And he never once tried to look out for my safety. Never once told me to use a condom. Never once told me to anything.

[Leo]

That's attempted murder.

[Unknown]

I know. And never told me to get on prep. Never, like, nothing. Like, never took one precaution for me to, like, protect myself. Like, knew what he was doing. He was 42. Wow. Risking a 21 year old's life. So that was a big component. But when I left him this. She might have to cut out, but he also.

[Leo]

Oh, all right, well, shit.

[Unknown]

Cut that part out. I just wanted to hear it.

[Leo]

Can we bleep it? We'll bleep it. Is this dude on the Internet? Because now I gotta go.

[Unknown]

He's fucking hidden in a whole somewhere. He's so goddamn scared shitless.

[Leo]

Yeah. Don't protect him if he's. This man literally jeopardized your. Your life. Dude, were you. Did you get tested afterwards and all that stuff?

[Unknown]

I'm still negative. I'm clean. Thank God. I literally was so freaked out after I found out, like, I got like a weird, like, rash from lifting weights too hard. Like, I busted, like, a vessel in my arm. And I was like, it's the hiv.

[Leo]

I was like, oh, my God, I'm dying.

[Unknown]

But I got tested.

[Leo]

Thankfully, HIV is so manageable now, and people can live lives with it. And it's not like it was back in the 80s, you know, like, it's curable now. Almost. Pretty much, yeah.

[Unknown]

There's medications to make it dormant.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So, like, I'm a nurse, and I know all the background to all that, but I got on prep, like, just out of fear, and every, like, month, I was getting tested because it can lay dormant for six months.

[Leo]

And then what is prep for people who don't know?

[Unknown]

Prep is a medication that basically lowers your chances of contracting HIV from someone who has it.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

It's not going to, like, take it away.

[Leo]

Gotcha.

[Unknown]

But it's better to have, like, a little, like, soldier in your bloodstream.

[Leo]

Okay. How long were you guys together?

[Unknown]

10 months.

[Leo]

Okay. And so you guys have this awful breakup, and take me on that ride that I made.

[Unknown]

I had to make a podcast episode about that.

[Leo]

I need to listen to this podcast episode.

[Unknown]

Episode six of my podcast. Literally, everything you can do to someone in a relationship happened. And then when I left, he tried to destroy me.

[Leo]

Tell everybody your podcast name really quick.

[Unknown]

Aware and Aggravated.

[Leo]

Aware and aggravated. Episode 60. Go listen to it right now. Okay.

[Unknown]

Yeah, that one's a lot. And that's kind of like how I got started on social media and all that. But basically, he attacked my life in every way that he could because I left him. I was like, I. The money's not enough. You're not enough. You're like, I want to get the away from you.

[Leo]

So let's. I want to talk about that. Because I've had so many sugar daddies who were so abusive. I'm talking, like, they think just because they spend money on you that they own you. And I don't think that's talked about a lot, you know, because we laugh about it and we're like, yeah, Venus, sugar baby is awesome, blah, blah, blah. But there's also a very dark side to it, too, you know, like, you have to understand that you don't get all of these things for free. And it's not always fucking unicorns and butterflies half the time. A lot of these people have, like, trauma that they've never dealt with, mental illness, and just shit that they take out on you because they feel like they're paying you and you have to deal with whatever it is they Dish out at you.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That was one of the big things is when I left, we were spending like a hundred thousand dollars a month on anything.

[Leo]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Clothes, trips, traveling the world, Bora Bora, Paris. Like, anything we wanted to do, we were doing it. I was. I got access to a lifestyle I've always dreamed of.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And it wasn't enough. And I literally was like, I'm done with you. Like, get the away from me.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, before I kill you.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Because there. The night that I found out about the HIV thing.

[Leo]

How did you find out?

[Unknown]

Sticky story. I'm a snoopy fuck. I'm nosy, don't trust no one. Is tattooed on my hand for a reason. I, like, snooped and found medication and knew what it was, and he slipped up.

[Leo]

I'm convinced if I was a man, I would be Leo. Literally. I'm such a violent human, too. You have no idea.

[Unknown]

People don't realize that best selling merch is my hoodie and T shirt that say, not above violence.

[Leo]

I need that. I'm gonna order it.

[Unknown]

Oh, my God. I'll literally send you a whole bunch.

[Leo]

Please do. That's a lot, dude, for somebody to. You guys have been together for 10 months and he's just now saying, yes, I risked your life. Was he remorseful or was it more like, yeah, I risked your life?

[Unknown]

No. And one of the worst things was he told me everything he was buying for me is because I was worth it. And I was always like, why are you spending so much money on me? Like, it was at a point where, like, I didn't even want anymore. Like, after, like, three months, I was like, we can slow down. I'm good. I got enough. And he just kept pushing and pushing and more and more and would just surprise me with buy me. Forced me to go shopping. And I was like, I didn't get it. I was like, why do you keep buying so much? Like, we're together, you've got me. Like, I'm not going anywhere. Like, I thought it was an overcompensation. And he was like, it's because you're worth it. And I just want you to know that when I found out about the HIV thing, he was not remorseful at all. He immediately flipped and was like, the real reason I've been buying you everything and spending so much money on you is because I knew I had hiv. And when you found out, he said, I knew how guilty you'd feel to get me arrested because he saw my heart and he saw how much I care about People. And he was like, you're not worth it.

[Leo]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown]

And was like, I would. Like, I was looking out for my ass. And he's like, and now you're not gonna go to the cops about it because you don't call cops. And I was like this.

[Leo]

Wow. I just got goosebumps. I'm, like, shaking. Like.

[Unknown]

But, yeah, that was a mind fuck from hell. Like, I felt so valuable because he was, like, doing all this for me and was like. I was like, finally someone sees value in me. And then to have that, like, flip and was like, I was doing it because I knew you'd feel bad and you wouldn't take me to court if I spend $300,000 on you. On shit.

[Leo]

What a fucking piece of shit. God. He doesn't have a name. You want to drop his name? Like, he is a piece of shit. Good lord.

[Unknown]

Yeah. That's just what, like, happened in the relationship after the relationship to get into that. So dad, he.

[Leo]

We haven't gotten into how dad found out yet.

[Unknown]

We haven't. That's where we're getting to.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Okay. So after the relationship ended, he started suing me for anything he could. Defamation of character, domestic abuse, domestic violence. All this abuse of power. Trying to get me restraining orders against me because I have guns and I carry. And he wanted to get them taken away because he's with me and he wants to take my way of protecting myself. I have no physical threat I'm scared of.

[Leo]

Right?

[Unknown]

At all.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, even if There's a group, 100 people, and they're trying to attack me, I'm gonna stand there and fight till I die. I'm Albanian. That's how we are.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, I don't fear anything physically. And he was with me in every way that I couldn't defend myself. So, like, trying to sue me for anything he could make up, trying to get restraining orders on me. Went to the Florida Board of Nursing and submitted false claims with his punk ass. One legged mom.

[Leo]

Oh, mom got the other one over this God damn peg leg.

[Unknown]

They went to the Florida Board of Nursing, submitted false claims over me. Why y'all laughing? One legged. And I almost like the second one. I almost took the second one because I was pissed. They falsified claims against me. Went to the Florida Board of Nursing, and they were like, he had so much money to pay attorneys to, like, sue people and sue and, like, get things turned in his favor.

[Leo]

Is that disgusting how people can manipulate the judicial system with money?

[Unknown]

It just starts there.

[Leo]

Disgusting.

[Unknown]

So he and his little.

[Leo]

I'm so mad.

[Unknown]

I'm like, I'm sweating again.

[Leo]

No, I'm pissed.

[Unknown]

So they went and submitted false claims to the Florida Board of Nursing. They put my license under review, and they launched an investigation on me for six months. But when I moved and left him, I went from spending $100,000 a month, never worrying about money again, to going back to making 3,4k a month as a nurse. And I was like, back working. And that mind flip and that reality shift. What the fuck? You've experienced it.

[Leo]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, that's when you're with someone with a lot of money. Like that the meaning of money and what it is doesn't matter.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Like, I was spending like 300 bucks on a Louis Vuitton keychain and buying five of them because I like them.

[Leo]

Yep.

[Unknown]

Going back to working as a nurse and making 300 bucks a shift for.

[Leo]

12 hours, it made me go harder. It made me figure out, like, what I had to do, you know, Like, I was like, I'm. I want to have that feeling again, but happiness on my own. On my own. Exactly.

[Unknown]

And now I got it.

[Leo]

Yes. And it makes you go harder to figure out. Okay, well, what can I do to get there without having to be a. Abused by somebody.

[Unknown]

Yes. So everything going on in court is how my. I had to go to my dad. I was like, I don't know what to do. I didn't have money, like, to spend for attorneys.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Cuz, like, they were big cases and big things. He was huge bringing up against me.

[Leo]

Accusations are crazy.

[Unknown]

Yeah. So I had to go to my dad. I was like, dad, I have to be honest because I need help. Like, I called him after. I'm like, when I left my ex, I was literally like driving home at like 2 in the morning or 3 in the morning because we got in a big fight. He called the cops on me, and I just peeled the out and took off and drove four and a half hours back to Florida. And I called my dad and I was like, dad, can I please move back in? And he was like, of course. Like, of course. That's one thing about my dad, my sexuality. We don't talk about it. We don't address it. It's don't ask, don't tell. He still asked me if I talk to girls, if I've hooked up with girls. We just avoid that topic. But my safety, he will always care about, like, making sure I'm okay. No one's gonna do nothing, like, to me without him getting involved, right? So he was like, of course. Come home, come home. And like, I drove home and he helped me unpack all my. He was like, getting up for work at like 7am when I was getting there, and he, like, helped me and I just, like, went to bed. He was like, just go to sleep and just wake up, eat good, and we'll figure it out tomorrow. I was like, okay. So I moved back in with my dad and then I had to come clean. And I was like, it was a guy I was with and now he's suing me for, like, all these things. This was a couple days after being home because it was like, just a show.

[Leo]

And your ex knew that you hadn't come out to your dad, right? So he just didn't care. He was just out to destroy you.

[Unknown]

Yeah. So I came out to my dad about that. I was like, it was a guy. But I. He was like, did you care about him? And I was like, I don't know.

[Leo]

Right?

[Unknown]

So I was still kind of playing that thing with my dad of, like, it was just an exchange, like a monetary exchange. And my dad was, like, trying to help me with attorneys and shit, but literally no one, like, knew what to do, right? So I had to represent myself in court. I started studying law and doing my shit. But my nursing license was under review, right? And I couldn't work as a nurse. So I started partying a lot. And I tried drugs for the first time. Like, the weekend I drove home. That weekend, like, it was like a Tuesday that weekend. I had never smoked a cigarette. I had never done a drug. I had barely been drunk. And I did coke, Molly, and got shit face drunk in the first night all at once. I had so much fun.

[Leo]

You were hurt, though.

[Unknown]

No, bitch, I had a blast. I don't give a. I was in a house full of rich people and I was like, let's do this.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So I had a blast with it. And then I started, like, partying. Very hard to, like, cope with my life and, like, everything he was doing to me, like, defaming me online. Bought leoskepi.com and, like, trashed me on it. Made up all this. This before I was online.

[Leo]

Wow.

[Unknown]

And, like, ripped me, but I was just, like, partying. And I started, like, doing more drugs. I loved coke. I had a gold acrylic pinky nail.

[Leo]

Oh, nice.

[Unknown]

For like, months.

[Leo]

And then I used to do eight balls by myself. It was crazy. Eight balls. And Xanax was my.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I had. I had the Xanax kick Yeah, but you have to weigh it out. It's like you do too much coke. It's like, yeah, exactly. Now I need a shot. Oh, now I'm too drunk. I need a bump.

[Leo]

Oh, dude. It's a roller coaster, man.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Got into, like, doing drugs and partying, and then I was, like, picking up for my friends when I would pick up and I would get enough for them. And then I started realizing, like, I would go to a party and everybody knew I could like, float the initial, like, thousand dollars for everything. Everybody wanted to, like, make sure everybody got their, like, nobody else was, like, able to, out of my closer friends, like, no one was able to, like, front the cost to, like, buy it. So, like, I. I've always been smart with money, and I, like, fronted it and I saw how much money can be made there, right. And I was like, here's my way out. So I started dealing drugs.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And I was the molly, man. And everybody knew I had the good coke and the good molly, and I just started doing that. But I never did anything reckless with dealing drugs. I had this.

[Leo]

Were you still using while you were dealing?

[Unknown]

Oh, hell yeah. That whole don't get high on your own supply my was good.

[Leo]

He was like, yes, I was getting high.

[Unknown]

Like, as I'm like, packing people, I always, like, packed it pretty in a little Ziploc bag. I didn't do the foil. I don't like that. But, like, I have my little nail just while I'm going to keep me going, like, packing it up. And do you still use here and there?

[Leo]

Yeah, just.

[Unknown]

But now I'm at a point I'm so scared to die.

[Leo]

Yeah. And now you can't trust. Well, that's one thing you can't come back from. You can get your ass whooped, but, you know, you get a batch of bad and you know you're not coming back from that.

[Unknown]

Yeah. So, like, I went from fully, like, not giving a fuck if I died, wanted to die to, like, now. It's so weird. People don't talk about this. Like, now I have an insane fear of flying. I'm scared to do certain drugs unless I know they're fucking good.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I'm, like, so paranoid to everything.

[Leo]

Oh, my biggest fear is death. I used to be the same as you. I thought I was bulletproof. And then, like, the older I got, I was just like, I'm not immortal and I'm not, you know, bulletproof. Like, anything can happen at any time, you know?

[Unknown]

So that was the thing is, like, I didn't care if I died. I wanted to die.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So I just lived reckless.

[Leo]

You're happy now though, or in a place of happiness. And I'm like, you're scared to lose it.

[Unknown]

Achieving everything I've wanted. And I'm like hitting my potential. And I'm like, oh, now I'm like, un. I'm like, shaky as. I'm like, Like, I don't. It's hard to function.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

When you have to flip like that.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

But with selling drugs and all that, one little part of it is I never did anything reckless. I was never stupid. I would never sell to broke people.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

I would sort of rich people, right. And being a nurse, I made connections with like a bunch of doctors and engineers.

[Leo]

People don't realize that doctors abuse drugs more than anybody I know. I used to have this. This client who was an emergency room doctor. I've never told this story before. We were getting fucked up doing blow one night and I asked him, I was like, what is the coolest thing to you about being an emergency room doctor? And he said, looked at me. Did the biggest fucking line of coke. And he said, I get to play God. I was like, oh, k. I still get goosebumps thinking about it. I was like, I just remember I looked at him high as. And I was like, I'm never going to the emergency room again. I was like, this is up. And I've never forgot that, dude. But you know, in the medical field. Get up.

[Unknown]

They are the biggest druggies and I love them. For me, they put me in business. I made so much fucking money. But I had a thing with like, all the people that I knew. Like. Like, they invite me to the party. They genuinely wanted to hang out with me. But when I started like dealing and getting them, they were like, oh, come to the party. Supply the party. I said, okay, minimum a thousand if I'm coming, right? But you gotta buy a thousand dollars worth of. They'd buy 3,5000. Like they just have people. And they were just like, oh, I need more for later. And I would just like go show up to the party, hang out, party with everybody, get everybody their. Make my money and then party. And then, yeah, it was so fun.

[Leo]

Figured it out. So rewinding real quick, when your dad found out that it was a guy, was he upset, like, or what was he like, okay, I've got your back, I'm gonna help you.

[Unknown]

He had my back and was gonna help me, but he was just like, okay, it is what it is. It happened, right? Like you got money out of it. You got your. All right, now let's just be done with it.

[Leo]

Him, right?

[Unknown]

Like, him was trying to help me detach from it all and get away from it.

[Leo]

Yeah, love that. That's so up that that dude put you through. That dude. Like, that's crazy. So let's keep going. You fucking are dealing drugs now. You're the life of a party. This dude's still fucking doing weird shit. Did you ever represent yourself in court?

[Unknown]

Three times.

[Leo]

Okay, let me hear about that.

[Unknown]

I won every time.

[Leo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown]

I'm a manipulative.

[Leo]

I'm a. I mean, but you're also fighting for your life, so is that being manipulative? This person was literally coming against you online and smearing your name.

[Unknown]

Yeah. All.

[Leo]

He backed you into a corner and he around and found out.

[Unknown]

I never, like, beat him. And that's my biggest regret in this life is not absolutely pummeling this punk into the ground.

[Leo]

Yeah. But that is for a reason.

[Unknown]

I'm get him in hell. I'm going to get him when I go to hell. I'm. That hatred is never going to come out of me. Like, that is my only regret in this life is not swinging on people sooner. When I used to get bullied, I wish I would have started beating ass a lot sooner and then not ever beating the out of him.

[Leo]

No, I get it.

[Unknown]

So I never, like, hit him, but he would, like, slap me and. And I'm like, you don't know what you're doing, right? Like, if you smack me, like, you're like, oh. I would laugh.

[Leo]

Yeah. Oh, that's cute.

[Unknown]

So where are we going with that?

[Leo]

So you had to represent yourself in court three times.

[Unknown]

So there were things that I did and I would own up to it in court. And he was like. He had a black eye one time because we were. And he, like, reached up and grabbed my nipples and twisted them and, like, pulled them.

[Leo]

Nothing about that feels good.

[Unknown]

And I fell onto him. And, like, when I put my hand down to catch myself, my thumb. Like, I'm big as I'm 200. I was like £240 at the time. Like, I'm big and like, me coming down on you, I was like, what the. And like, I put my hand down to catch myself and I hit him in the eye. And it like. Like the blood vessels around your eye are very sensitive. So he got a black eye. It looked like I, like, hit him, but I didn't.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

He tried to come out with a story and take me to court that I hit him. And I went in court. I was like, okay, your honor, I hate to be explicit, but we were having sex, and I told her, like, what happened?

[Leo]

I bet the judge loved you.

[Unknown]

The judge, like, I'm very honest.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Every time I fought in school, fought and had to deal with cops. Dealt with this in court.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I'm very honest about what I'll. What I do.

[Leo]

Can tell.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I'm like, I did hit him this time. I didn't hit him that time. Now what?

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

And they just, like, dismissed that because they knew it was so stupid.

[Leo]

That's crazy. So did you ever have to take out anything on him, like a restraining order or, like, stop slandering my name online and all that?

[Unknown]

I tried.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

And things were avoided because he had many.

[Leo]

Because he had what?

[Unknown]

Money.

[Leo]

Money.

[Unknown]

Right. So.

[Leo]

Well, moving on from that. What's Leo doing now? You won your court case?

[Unknown]

My best.

[Leo]

Yay.

[Bunny]

Let's talk about it.

[Leo]

We love an underdog story. I love this. So you go through all this. What happens now? Are you still dealing drugs or are you.

[Unknown]

I wish.

[Leo]

Getting on too much to lose now.

[Unknown]

Or I would still be in the game.

[Leo]

Well, take me. Take me on this journey now of Leo conquering, kicking ass.

[Unknown]

I love it. Okay. So I started my podcast. I started getting online because, like I said, he slandered me online, right? So, like, he had this reputation built of me of, like, just this absolute.

[Leo]

Piece of an online personality.

[Unknown]

No.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

He, like, basically defamed me and, like, made this reputation for me, and I didn't have money to fight it. And once people have a certain perception of you, you can't change it. So I had the realization, like, the only way to change people's perception is to show them who I truly am. So I started getting online. I was like, I'm gonna be so myself, just genuine, straight up me and show people my heart, my intentions, my humor. The times I am an. Like, I'm just gonna show it all because it will make all those claims become so clearly invalid.

[Leo]

Right. Like, people believing him. Did he have a. An audience that actually believed him?

[Unknown]

Not really.

[Leo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

It was before I got online. So, like, every job, I would try to apply for things I would do and, like, friends. People in my life were finding it. Like, you look up Leo Skeppy. Boom.

[Leo]

First thing, does he still own Leo Skeppy?

[Unknown]

No.

[Leo]

Okay. Do you have it? Good.

[Unknown]

Don't ask how I got it.

[Leo]

I'm not. I'm not going to.

[Unknown]

So I, like, came out of hiding, basically. Like, I was like, this name that was built for me. Can I can just hide from it or I can blow it the fuck out of the water by, like, being bigger than that. So I just got online and started being myself. And I made my podcast and all the things that I was going through, I was, like, sharing how I dealt with it because, like, therapists couldn't help me. Literally, no one knew what to do to help me, and I couldn't find answers. So I just started sharing all that through my podcast and I got on Tick Tock and I started around. People love my personality.

[Leo]

When did you get on tick tock? Like, 2020.

[Unknown]

2021. 2021. When I was going through court, I started making jokes. Like, I literally was in court one time and I pulled out my phone and I was like, here I am in court because my ex is psychotic and, like, couldn't handle losing me. And everybody, like, it blew up and everybody was like, oh, my God, he's funny as hell. So everybody was kind of invested in it. So I just, like, started, like, talking. Then he was trying to sue me for those videos, and I was like, eat my dick. I literally told his attorney and three of them, three attorneys he hired, I told them all to eat my dick at least once.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Pretty sure they would want to.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

That's one thing I do is I'd be throwing around the word faggot like it's nothing.

[Leo]

I love it because I came from an era where that word wasn't what it means now, you know? So like, even, like the R word, you know, like we use dude, the R word, you know, I can't say it because people come for me.

[Unknown]

You can have a path. Yeah, you're me and a female. Yeah.

[Leo]

Literally faggot. But, you know, people fucking. They. Everybody so fucking sensitive now. And it's just crazy, crazy to me. I think it's intention. How you say the word is intention, you know, like, that's how you guys should judge when people say certain words. Like, what is the intention behind it? How are they directing it? Describing yourself and, like, joking around. You're not, like, looking at somebody calling them that, being rude, so.

[Unknown]

Oh, I'll do that too. I know, like, with me, like, I was bullied so bad over the word, and it used to hurt me so bad. So it's like, now. Yeah, I don't give a. Yeah, I'll Flinging around whether it's derogatory or a joke.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Well, like, if someone else. I'm Very protective of people. Like, if someone else calls someone a. Yeah, now it's a problem.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

I could do it. Not you.

[Leo]

Right.

[Unknown]

Because I know I'm not trying to hurt them.

[Leo]

Exactly. Intention.

[Unknown]

But where were we going with the.

[Leo]

We were talking about just how you built Rose from the ashes. Like a goddamn phoenix, baby.

[Unknown]

Yeah, like a dragon. I'm spitting.

[Leo]

Literally just coming up. So you got on Tick Tock and you started your podcast and then just. Just started going from there.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I started the app Positive Focus. It's like a app for your phone that will send you positive quotes, like, throughout the day. Like, really, There's a lot of apps that are kind of like that, but it's like I made things that would actually flip your perspective because, like, when I was going through a lot of, like, of the worst stuff, it's hard to think positive about anything. So I was like, if I could just have an app that would, like, send me something to think about. Yeah, I don't want to have to put effort into thinking positive. Like, just prompt me on my phone and I'm fine. So I made it because I couldn't find it.

[Leo]

And I love your mentality.

[Unknown]

I did that. And I used the drug money to fund it because it was like 30K.

[Leo]

I love that. I used all my hooker money to build this work. Yeah, you got to, baby.

[Unknown]

We are the same.

[Leo]

Literally. No, I swear. It's scary.

[Unknown]

So I made that, got on social media, got on Tik Tok, started my podcast. And then in the past, I'd say three months since, like, February, everything has, like, snowballed, tripled. Yeah, like my. I gained like 2 million followers. Well, I gained like a million in the past month and a half. I gained like a hundred thousand on YouTube. In the past month and a half, my Instagram has grown like150,000 or like170,000. In the past, like, month and a half, it's like, finally the value I'm sharing is being recognized. And I'm like, I've never doubted myself once. I'm like, these motherfuckers are just stupid and they want to listen to Jay Shetty and Mel Robbins and all these people. Not that I don't like them, right? But they just. There's surface level self help, right? I got the real right.

[Leo]

Like, you've been through shit. I feel like a lot of self help people haven't been through a lot of deep. They just, like, woke up one day and were like, I just want to be a self Help guru, you know, and like they just start.

[Unknown]

Wake up and start your day with a lemon water.

[Leo]

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.

[Unknown]

Like they're not relig.

[Leo]

So you have this app you like, what is in store for Leo? Like, tell us what do we have to look forward to? Like any cool news that we can talk about.

[Unknown]

Actually, I do have some big news. Do you know the agency uta?

[Leo]

I don't.

[Unknown]

Okay. They're one of the biggest agencies.

[Leo]

I just signed with wme, so I know like WME caa.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

The past three weeks, everything's been blowing up. I've been charting on the podcast. All these companies have been reaching out to me. I've been having meetings out the ass. My manager and me are both like, overwhelmed. I'm a one man team and that's something people don't realize. Like, everything that I do is by myself. As of two months ago, I started working with my manager. But everything I do, produce, make, film, is all me. No one edits shit. I do it. I'm picky.

[Leo]

Same just me and Mimi, we just hired on WME in January.

[Unknown]

I love it. So they saw like, every company has like, seen me blowing up and everybody wants a piece of it now and they want to like, help me and like, help me. They see me as a check. I don't forget that. I ain't stupid.

[Leo]

So all these companies, they also probably see your worth too.

[Unknown]

That too, yeah. So a lot of these companies have been like fighting for me and I've had meetings with every agency you could think, like wme. I had a meeting with them and.

[Leo]

I need to introduce you to my agent, Sloan. You would fall in love with her and she is a fucking go getter. She is a goddamn tiger. Like, she's crazy. Yeah. I'll definitely hook you guys up. So you guys.

[Unknown]

Yes. I love making connections like that.

[Leo]

Yeah, she's amazing.

[Unknown]

This whole world, like just flew open for me and I didn't realize this much goes into it. So I just signed with UTA two days ago. So, like, they're fully like about to take over. And like everything I want to do, I finally have a team of people who can make it happen. I don't have to be the one making all these businesses and doing all this shit. I'm sick of it. Yeah, I'm sick of it. Yeah, I did.

[Leo]

It's scary. Giving up control because I'm in that right now. I have. Yeah.

[Unknown]

I'm under so much pressure. I'm just like me.

[Leo]

I'm kind of like I don't know. You know, like, I just. It scares me because we've done for five years, I've. It's just been me and Mimi. So bringing all these other people in, I'm just. Just scared because it's like nobody sees your vision the way that you do. You know, the first up, I'm like, you're out of here.

[Unknown]

Same. I'm very cutthroat.

[Leo]

Yeah. Same.

[Unknown]

Because I'm a perfectionist and I don't tolerate nothing less.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

But when I was growing on social media, a lot of people liked my podcast and asked me to start, like, can I work with you one on one? Can you coach me? And I was like, okay. So I got my life coach certification and just started like one on one coaching people. In the past three months, I haven't had time. Time. Like I've literally had to take a break from it to reposition everything.

[Leo]

That's your feel good. Like you like.

[Unknown]

Yeah. I love doing that.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

But I'm at a point now there's thousands of people trying to sign up for it. I don't have time. And I'm trying to stabilize everything with my career first and then get that back incorporated. I don't know how the hell I'm gonna do it.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

But I'm gonna figure it out. But I signed with UTA and like, congratulations. They're the biggest. They only have like 200 and something people. They signed Paris Hilton, Alexander Cooper, Emma Chamberlain, Bretman Rock. Like they sign all these big ass people.

[Leo]

So, Leo, you just signed with UTA and you guys are gonna just start working your asses off. Is there anything else that you want to tell us about that's going to happen in 2023.

[Unknown]

So I'm looking at doing live events, like live podcasts.

[Leo]

We should. Dude, we are looking into that too, so. And thinking about doing a tour and I would love to have you come on a couple.

[Unknown]

Oh my God. Absolutely.

[Leo]

Yeah. That would be awesome.

[Unknown]

Did you get the pink bus?

[Leo]

I. Of course I want to be in that one. Dude, you can come. Come out on the road.

[Unknown]

Oh my God.

[Leo]

The boys would love you.

[Unknown]

You have one that'll fit me? I'm 6 7.

[Leo]

Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's a big ass bus.

[Unknown]

I love that.

[Leo]

Yeah. But so you're thinking about doing live events?

[Unknown]

Live events. I'm going to start another segment to my podcast where I start incorporating guests and like influencers, celebrities and talking about deep things and unpacking the way that I do, which I think will be fun. That the live events thing. And then I'm in the process of creating a vitamin line.

[Leo]

Oh, dope.

[Unknown]

And it's not the typical vitamin line I'm very big on. If you do something to damage your body, do something to help it. So I smoke, I drink. Like, I do drugs sometimes. Like, if I roll, I have a lot of vitamins that I take to, like, help with the comedown. I have a lot of vitamins I take before and after I drink. I have vitamins I take daily for my lungs. So that's what the vitamin line is going to be based around is. I was gonna name it Damage Control.

[Leo]

Oh.

[Unknown]

That was already trademarked. But the name is. The new name is being trademarked. I'll tell it to you off camera. I don't want to reveal it, but, like, that's a big thing I'm so excited about.

[Leo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Because no one has the platform to do it. Like, no one has the balls to release some like that.

[Leo]

No. I love that.

[Unknown]

So I'm doing it.

[Leo]

I love it. I'm so proud of you. I really am. Like. And I just love seeing you shed your light on people. And just. Even though you have some really dark situations that have happened in your life, you have chose to spread light. You know, no matter how macho you are and egotistical or whatever, you're still just a loving human, and I think that's really fun. Rad. So I just. I'm just so happy to have had you on.

[Unknown]

Thank you.

[Leo]

Thank you so much for coming.

[Bunny]

Leo, why don't you shout out where.

[Leo]

Everybody can find you?

[Unknown]

Okay. Tick tock is Leo Skeppy. Instagram is the Leo Skeppy. Because some rat already took my name. And then my podcast is called Aware and aggravated. It's on YouTube. You can watch the video version. And then it's on Apple podcasts and Spotify.

[Leo]

Yay. I love you so much, Leo. You are my new bff.

[Unknown]

By the way, y'all heard it here first.

[Leo]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Everybody get out of her dm.

[Leo]

Absolutely. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.