Kristen (3:51)

Baby, hello.

Whitney Wren (3:54)

First of all, let's tell everybody how hungover you are.

Kristen (3:57)

Yeah, I threw up right before I came here. I actually texted her and I was like, well, she was sick first and then she texted me and goes, I'm sick. I said, okay, me too. But yeah, I sucked it up, dude.

Whitney Wren (4:07)

I. I went through the neuro virus. You were just at our new bar last night.

Kristen (4:13)

It was so good. It was so cute. Your. Your whole. I'm like, damn, that's a good picture.

Whitney Wren (4:19)

Yeah, baddie up there. Thank you. I'm like, I have. I have the funniest TikTok I'm going to do when we go there tonight. Because it's this huge fudgeing picture of me, right? And all you see is a big ass toe. And it's like, that's not the toe I want to see. So I'm just going to be there. I'm going to be there. Like, what made it? I'm just going to be pointing at it and then just zoom into the toe.

Kristen (4:40)

I can't wait to do that one. The toe.

Whitney Wren (4:42)

Oh, everybody's going to notice the toe now. And I can't wait. It's going to go viral. Can't fucking wait. But anyways, enough about Me. We are here to talk about you, lady. So much has changed since the last time you were here. Last time you were on the show, you were here with your best friend, Kristen.

Kristen (4:57)

Yeah, I was.

Whitney Wren (4:58)

And for anybody who wants to listen to that interview, I forget. I think it's season six, season seven. Just look for Kristen and Whitney. You can get all their backstories. You can hear about how they grew up, all that stuff. This interview is going to be all about the drama. Okay? So no backstories here. But I want to just say I love you. You know that I love you, and I've always had your back, and I hate having to see some of the you go through online. It really sucks. And I think you handle it so good. Like, is it different now than when you were here last time? Like, how you handle things? Like, does it hurt as bad or is it just kind of roll off your shoulders now, or do you have to really, like, process it and take time and, like, deal with it?

Kristen (5:45)

Yeah, it. It affected me so much to where, like, I had to actually go. I was gonna walk into a mental hospital. So it was to the point where I pushed my boyfriend away, I pushed all my friends away. Like, all I was worried about was making money, which shout out to you. Coming here, like, the last time definitely changed my life because I give you credit to all the ideas for everything, for the podcast and everything. So thank you for that.

Whitney Wren (6:11)

I appreciate.

Kristen (6:11)

But yeah, like, genuinely, I just think being on social media is, like, one of the hardest things that you can really do. Like, obviously it's not a 9 to 5, and there's not really a lot that you can do like that way. But I just think that now, after like, seeing that I really don't have much friends anymore and then losing my boyfriend and everything was just put out. Like, on social media, they're judging everything that you do. You say, you walk, you talk. I could even walk outside and somebody not take a picture of me if I was with another guy or anything like that. So it's just like, it gets annoying. But it definitely affected my brain and the way I thought about things. I thought everybody was out to get me. Everybody wanted to hurt me or use me or everything like that. So once I got medicine and stuff, I kind of just stepped back and was, like, swallowed a lot. And now I just focus on me and what I want to do and make myself happy.

Whitney Wren (7:13)

So you ended up not going to the mental hospital, but you did get help and they put you on medication and are you feeling better?

Kristen (7:21)

Now, yeah, I feel better. I feel less irritated. I think I was very overwhelmed with everything that was going on with, like, the podcast, and my friends were hurting me constantly, and my boyfriend was up my ass 24 7. So it was just like, everything was leading up to, like, me just breaking.

Whitney Wren (7:38)

Yeah.

Kristen (7:38)

And it just pushed everybody away. And I mean, I eventually, like, see, now not everybody has the best intentions for me and my life, except for, like, my family. And there's, like, one or two people that obviously support me and stuff. But, yeah, I. I feel better now.

Whitney Wren (7:57)

Well, I'm glad to hear that. But let's. Okay, so let's take it back for everybody who is following the story and who knows a little bit about everything. Last time you were on the show, you were here with your best friend, Kristen. You guys were really tight. It seemed like, you know, a lot of us don't know what went on behind closed doors or how your guys's friendship was behind closed doors, but you guys had a very public friendship and then also a very public breakup. And this was before you were even with Tyler. So we're going to get into even how you and Tyler got and that whole situation. But first, let's talk about the bff. What happened with you and Kristen. Exactly. Because I know everybody is so just invested in you guys. It's almost kind of sick.

Kristen (8:41)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (8:42)

How. And, like, I'll see grown women that are just like. So you guys are, like, literally reality tv, which. We're going to talk about the reality TV show, too, because you should have came with me.

Kristen (8:53)

I know.

Whitney Wren (8:54)

But, hey, it's all right.

Kristen (8:55)

The future, there's always.

Whitney Wren (8:57)

She's like. There's always. There's always a second time.

Kristen (8:59)

That would be fun.

Whitney Wren (9:01)

But, yeah. So what happened with you and Kristen? Like, take me on that journey and tell me, you know, what happened when you guys left here. You guys started the podcast. Let's start from there. You guys started the podcast. You guys started doing really good.

Kristen (9:14)

I was doing a lot for her to, like, be successful. And one thing about me is I always want to see my friends rise up with me. I never want to see anybody fall. So I. I think after that, we started the podcast. It. It was really good in the beginning because it was like, we were motivated to want to make episodes and have people on and stuff. And then towards, like, the middle of it, it was kind of just me doing it, and I started to get a little bit frustrated because I don't like doing something. And you're gonna get 50. 50. We're gonna put in the same effort. So I was losing that a little bit. So it started to get me irritated in her. Plus, she got with. She started getting with Jacob, and I had to motivate her to get up to do things constantly. Like, we had a very, very close relationship. Like, very close. Like, I loved the fuck out of her. Like, she was my, like, ride or die. Like, I would do anything for her. And I think it kind of got a little bit, like, different after her and Jacob got together. So she kind of started. She's a very, like, one on one person. Like, if you're. You have to just be one person. She doesn't really have a lot of people around her like that.

Whitney Wren (10:30)

So she's like, out of sight, out of mind.

Kristen (10:31)

Yes. So then when she moved out, we started the podcast, did all that, and then she got with Jacob. Ever since then, it was kind of like very. Just like her personality changed. She wasn't as like, clingy to me. So it. That changed me because, like, we were like this.

Whitney Wren (10:49)

Yeah.

Kristen (10:49)

So after that, like, her and Jacob got together, I kind of backed off a little bit because she started, like, pushing me away. So I was like, it's fine.

Whitney Wren (10:58)

Then when I push you away because Jacob didn't like you.

Kristen (11:01)

I don't think Jacob liked me the whole time.

Whitney Wren (11:03)

Why do you think he doesn't like you?

Kristen (11:04)

Because I knew he was. He's just very like, I love them now together. I'm happy for them. I just didn't like the way that I see through people very easily. I can look at somebody and I swear to God, I'm psychic. I can look at somebody and just feel because of how much I wanted her to succeed. And like, I loved her so much and I saw everything Rocky put her through. She went through with Connor, her being depressed. I had to go pick her up from her house. Like, everything just was. I was just now getting her to, like, where she could stand up on her own. And then Jacob steps in and he. I mean, not to be like that, but he didn't have followers, he didn't have money, he didn't have, like, he was with Rachel. So it was just kind of, like, messy. And I did. I was just very standoffish with him because I didn't like the past of him, but I obviously accepted him. I was like, he's a good guy, whatever, regardless of his past. So with them being together, kind of just like, I don't know if he just didn't like me because he knew I saw and I would, like, I never really made comments. It was just kind of like, why would you do that? Or, like, why would you let him do that? So I think he knew that I knew. And I loved her so much that it seemed, like, obsessive because I wanted to be around her all the time. She just made me happy. So I think he kind of just never really liked me. We went on vacations and stuff, and he never even had conversations with me.

Whitney Wren (12:37)

Do you think maybe she was telling him stuff without you around, which is why he was like that?

Kristen (12:43)

Maybe, but I don't. There was never, like, I'm very honest and very blunt, so if you have a problem or you're. You have something wrong and you gotta tell me or else I won't care. Yeah, I'll still do the same shit. And then after me and Ty, when me and Tyler got together, she got even weirder. And, like, I don't know, everything just, like, fell apart. Like, it just. With the podcast, like, she claimed that we were just more business partners, but I was still in her phone every day checking up on her. Hey, how are you? How's the baby? Are you good? Are you sick? Do you need me to bring you anything? Do you want food? Do you want water? Everything like that. Like, I was like this because I wanted her to be my friend so bad. And I don't know why. I just think, like, I've never been around somebody that's so genuinely fun and, like, funny and, like, we get along very well. So everything just switched. Her personality completely changed when she got with Jacob. So ever since then, like, I kind of just left you. Yeah. But, like, even hanging out with her recently, the last times we were hanging out, she's so different. She doesn't really laugh, like, so it kind of just got to where the baby came. And then she tried to say, like, I'm growing away from you. And then, I don't know, I just. I'm very. I'm a very good friend. So sometimes, like, things I don't see in front of me, I just want to make people better. And. I don't know, everything changed.

Whitney Wren (14:10)

Well, you make jokes about it online and every. There's kind of a rumor that swirls around online. Like, were you in love with Kristen? It wasn't ever, like, no.

Kristen (14:21)

In the beginning. In the beginning, I think, like, we would. She would make out with me all the time.

Whitney Wren (14:26)

Yeah.

Kristen (14:26)

But I don't know if it was, like, just her. We would just be drunk and stuff. We never hooked up or anything. Like, it never got to that. She's straight. I'm. I'm not into girls like that anymore, so it was never like that. But I just. I think I fell in love with our relationship, our friendship, because it was so easy to be like a sister. Yeah. And I've never really had a sister like that. Yeah, I have my two younger sisters, but they're like 13 and 10. So it's like I was never close with that. And then I get weird about, like, abandonment and stuff like that. So when she just left, I was kind of just like, I get. I get angry when people push me away.

Whitney Wren (15:07)

So you guys have this huge explosion online. Why do you feel like she attacked you the way she did? Like, what set that off with.

Kristen (15:16)

Which. Which time?

Whitney Wren (15:17)

I mean, there was. There's a few. So, I mean, let's talk about them. Like, how. What. What is your side of the story with the situations that she presented online to everybody with.

Kristen (15:28)

Like, the last few times we talked, she was very like, I don't, like, doesn't want me to be around you. Doesn't want you to be around the kids and stuff like that. That's where I was like, okay, this is weird. Like, I would never, ever do anything to put you or your family in danger, but I do not like that he made towards my friend. He was. He was. That. That's just something I do not.

Whitney Wren (15:59)

Are you talking about the situation?

Kristen (16:01)

Yeah. I just do not agree with that.

Whitney Wren (16:02)

Like, what happened in that situation?

Kristen (16:04)

Okay, so this is actually what happened. It's her birthday. We go out. Kristen stays home because she's pregnant. We go out to Dylan Scott concert. We all left. We go to the bar. Drunk. He was drunk. He kept picking her up and, like, she had a skirt on. I kept like, pulling her off them, like, because it was just. I'm. I do not like that shit. I'm sorry. But yeah, if. If that were Tyler and another girl or something like that, I would know. And especially me, that's like my best friend sitting at home pregnant. And you're going to do that in front of my face with another girl?

Whitney Wren (16:36)

Yeah.

Kristen (16:37)

So then we get in the car and they get in the backseat and she kept like tapping my. Get him off me. Get him off me. So he's like sitting there. They're next to each other. He kept putting his hand all over her and kissing her neck. And I'm watching this whole thing, like, it makes me so upset because he.

Whitney Wren (16:54)

Was actually kissing her.

Kristen (16:55)

Yes. Making out with her neck, Biting her neck. Like. And I'M sitting there watching and grabs me. And I said, okay, I'm done. Like, I'm done. I pull her off. I put her to the front. And then he was so drunk, he didn't remember. So the next day I called Kristen and I was like. I was like this. I did not want this to come from me because I don't know if remembers it or not, but I said. I called and I said, you need to tell her or you need to call and he needs to apologize to you. He needs to apologize to your boyfriend. And he needs to apologize, Kristen, because all of that. I'm watching. I had to see all of that, and I don't want to see that and not say anything.

Whitney Wren (17:32)

And if Kristen found out from somebody else and you didn't tell her.

Kristen (17:36)

Yeah, she would be. Yeah.

Whitney Wren (17:37)

Yeah.

Kristen (17:37)

So all of that, like, it all came out and still talked about it. We talked about it constantly. Like it bothered her for a long time. And they're all mad because she came out and talked about it, but she won't admit it because she doesn't want people to be mad at her. But at the end of the day, it's just. I don't. I don't put up with that shit. I don't. Like, I hate when people always say, you cheated, but you cheated. No, like, I broke up with them and then whatever happens after that happens after that. But I just didn't like that, that all that happened in front of me and I had to be the one to say something. And then he gets mad at me for the shit he did.

Whitney Wren (18:16)

Right. Well, that's usually how it is.

Kristen (18:17)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (18:19)

Yeah, unfortunately.

Kristen (18:20)

So I called him out about it and he wants to try me about my relationship. But I. I snapped. And I was like, you're not going to sit there and talk about my relationship when you did that to a pregnant girl. And ever since then, she didn't talk to me again.

Whitney Wren (18:33)

So you feel like she definitely chose you. Yeah, I hate that.

Kristen (18:38)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (18:38)

I mean, if Kristen called you right now and was like, hey, I'm sorry.

Kristen (18:43)

She already had. Oh, yeah. That we were. Now I was gonna get into that too. She's. We've. We've talked. She knows, like, me and that's her man, so I can't do anything about that.

Whitney Wren (18:54)

So when's the last time you guys talked?

Kristen (18:56)

Today. Oh, I texted her, I said I posted a bunch of tick tocks of us, but I still love her, I still care for her. I am happy for that. She's the baby and stuff. I just sucks that I couldn't really be, like, a part of it, you know?

Whitney Wren (19:09)

She apologized to you.

Kristen (19:10)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (19:11)

You know, hey, let's be friends again.

Kristen (19:12)

I said sorry to her, too. Just her overreacting and stuff, but Good.

Whitney Wren (19:16)

I'm glad you guys talked.

Kristen (19:17)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (19:18)

Because I. I'm seeing both of you guys hurt, you know? Like, you can tell she doesn't like being without her best friend either. And I feel like every girl, it doesn't matter how much you love your man, you want your friends around too, you know? And it's hard to just be in just a relationship with your man and your baby every single fucking day. She needs, like, some sort of, like, out.

Kristen (19:36)

I say, I'm like, I'm. I love my friends. I love having girl time.

Whitney Wren (19:40)

Like, yeah.

Kristen (19:40)

It's so much different. A man doesn't, like, understand half the shit that girls go through, period. Like, they don't even know what that feels like.

Whitney Wren (19:48)

Yeah. So it's let alone fucking postpartum, which she did. You ever think that maybe she was going through postpartum with all that shit? And it really.

Kristen (19:55)

I was there for her, trying to help very, very much. She never really talked about it with me. We started to get distant. Like, she didn't really, like, open up.

Whitney Wren (20:03)

She probably didn't even realize she was going through it because, you know, she is so young and just had a baby, so that could have just been affecting her mentally, and she didn't even know it. She could just be, like, just now coming out of it, you know, she.

Kristen (20:14)

She says that she doesn't want, like, she. I was just very overbearing, I think, with how much I wanted to take care of her. Just even the last. Like, even after the baby I was on. I was. I was in her phone, like, I want to come see him. Like, I want you to be there. Like, I want to take care of you. Like, it was just, like, an instinct to, like, want to be there for her. And she kept just, like, pushing and pushing and pushing away. So I kind of just. I gave up.

Whitney Wren (20:37)

Which hurt you more, though.

Kristen (20:38)

Yeah. And another thing, too, is my own boyfriend was like, you do not be friends with her. Like, she treats you like shit. So it was like I was.

Whitney Wren (20:48)

You guys both let boys get in the middle.

Kristen (20:50)

Yeah. Like, I just. And then plus, with the podcast, too, it just. That was the only time we would see each other. We were. We were planning dinners and stuff. We would go and do stuff together constantly. And then it just kind of like the baby, and I was like, we can do stuff together. Like. But I think the Tyler thing too kind of messed her up. I don't know, because. But she would definitely make, like, comments. And I love Tyler. I've always loved Tyler. I wanted to be with Tyler the first day I fucking met him. So it sucked that I seen them together and, like, I wanted them to be together and they didn't want to be. And then they did. And then, then I wanted him because he's just a great person and he can be stubborn sometimes.

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Kristen (24:07)

I think Christian was a Tyler.

Whitney Wren (24:08)

Okay, so I see. I didn't know that. I don't think you guys even talked about that on the podcast.

Kristen (24:12)

She didn't really want to talk about it. Like. Yeah, I don't think she wanted to be with him like that.

Whitney Wren (24:16)

How long were they together for?

Kristen (24:17)

Eight, nine months.

Whitney Wren (24:18)

Oh, wow. So they were together for a minute.

Kristen (24:20)

But she was seeing other guys and he was seeing other girls.

Whitney Wren (24:23)

Yeah. Was that ever weird for you, that he was with her before you the whole time?

Kristen (24:29)

Yeah, but I never. Like, I'm not insecure. Like, I don't get bothered.

Whitney Wren (24:33)

No, it's not insecurity, but at the same time, it's kind of like girl code, you know? It's like.

Kristen (24:38)

I know. I tried, like, not to for so long. I was like. I just. I can't help it. Like, I. I don't know. Like, I just love who he is and what he does and what he stands for. So it just hurt. And I asked her. I pull her aside, too, like, before, because we did that TV show thing.

Whitney Wren (24:53)

Yeah. And what happened with that? Let's go on that journey before the Tyler thing.

Kristen (24:57)

I have no idea.

Whitney Wren (24:58)

So you guys went. Okay. Because I remember we sent you guys a contract.

Kristen (25:02)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (25:02)

And then that's. And this is. This is. Nobody knows this.

Kristen (25:06)

That was like, January.

Whitney Wren (25:07)

Yeah. The. Nobody knows this. So I sent the girls over a contract, and Kristen actually took that contract and took it over to somebody's house and had it all circled and, like, made pretty much was making fun of it, which is why I got upset with Kristen, because I was like, like. But then I had to remember that I'm dealing with somebody who's way younger than me, and this is her first time, you know, ever doing any sort of deals and stuff like that. And that's where my. My. What else happened? Something else happened.

Kristen (25:38)

MJ called a few people. Mj?

Whitney Wren (25:40)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kristen (25:41)

Well.

Whitney Wren (25:41)

Oh, and mj. I don't know what happened.

Kristen (25:43)

She said she told MJ or something or told.

Whitney Wren (25:45)

Calling people and telling them about the contract. It wasn't just mj, though, because I.

Kristen (25:49)

Didn'T do that, because I know it wasn't just.

Whitney Wren (25:51)

It wasn't just him, but somebody and you guys. A circle. And I'm not gonna give her up because I just would never do that to her. She's always been sweet to. To me, but she came with receipts and sent me, like, screenshots, and, like, it was like. And I just couldn't to hear Kristen talk that way and be so disrespectful. Well, I was just like, you little.

Kristen (26:09)

You know, she won't say to your face.

Whitney Wren (26:11)

Right. Which is fine. And I don't. And now I do not have a problem with Kristen. Like, we're fine. But in that moment, I was like, I'm offering you.

Kristen (26:17)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (26:18)

Something that's gonna really help you guys out and, like, not try to. You guys. And then that's, you know, whatever. So you guys ended up signing something with somebody else. No, you guys, I did my.

Kristen (26:30)

I did. I started it all.

Whitney Wren (26:32)

You what?

Kristen (26:33)

I started it all. Oh, you're talking about the reality show.

Whitney Wren (26:35)

The reality show.

Kristen (26:36)

So that was Tyler's parents, like, met somebody, and they.

Whitney Wren (26:40)

Because I remember you guys were making videos in some lawyer's office, and I was like, this guy looks like a car salesman.

Kristen (26:46)

They reached out to us, and they're like, hey, you guys moved to Alabama for two weeks. Like, film. Some. Some bro. They had cameras on us the whole time. Like, in our cars. They had the GoPros. They had everything. Like, it was, like, real deal.

Whitney Wren (26:58)

Yeah.

Kristen (27:01)

And then, like, we would do, like, the tv. Like, the TV show where you sit down, do the Confessions and all that stuff. Like, we did that for two weeks straight. And I performed and did all this, and then it's nowhere to be found. But they're. They're still, like, texting us in group chats, saying, like, it's coming. This sizzle reels coming. It's been two years, bro. Got pregnant and had a baby. By the time that, this thing isn't even edited yet.

Whitney Wren (27:25)

And you guys have, like, no rights. Has anybody? Yeah, we had contract.

Kristen (27:29)

3% each of us.

Whitney Wren (27:31)

You guys.

Kristen (27:32)

Yeah. And it was gonna be like, Mimi's.

Whitney Wren (27:34)

Over there dying Laughing like, you guys.

Kristen (27:36)

It should have came with kind of like, the experience because I don't need money. But, like, it's just I wanted to be. I love you guys.

Whitney Wren (27:43)

Like to act or demand what you're worth. Yeah. And that's what I've always tried to instill in you. Girls. Don't. If somebody comes to you and offers you 3% of your brand. Are you kidding me?

Kristen (27:54)

Now, looking back, I'm like, yeah. Because Taylor was. Taylor Holder was arguing with the. The guy for a while because he's like, I'm not gonna be in it. I want to be in this because my friends want me here.

Whitney Wren (28:05)

Yeah.

Kristen (28:05)

But he's like, I'm not signing this shit for this. Like, he was, like, pissed because he's done a show before.

Whitney Wren (28:11)

Yeah.

Kristen (28:12)

He's like, this is bullshit. So then now, all of a sudden, it's just gone. There's 12 days of footage. I'm talking, like, sleeping. Like, me and Tyler were sneaking around that whole week. Nobody knew that we were together. And I wish we had that footage because it's, like, basically like, us, like, falling in love and everybody finding out, and it's just not. It's just non existent.

Whitney Wren (28:32)

Can you hire a lawyer to get that footage?

Kristen (28:34)

We probably could. Yeah.

Whitney Wren (28:35)

I don't know why you guys wouldn't hire a lawyer to get that footage. And look over the contract that you guys signed.

Kristen (28:40)

I'm gonna tell. I'm gonna tell Tyler because his mom was the one that, like, had everything arranged, basically.

Whitney Wren (28:44)

Yeah.

Kristen (28:45)

And then all of a sudden, now.

Whitney Wren (28:46)

She'S not shitting on Tyler's mom. But that was a fudgeing. Just a weird situation. Like, they had you guys doing all sorts of, like, social media for. Yeah.

Kristen (28:55)

Like, and then all of a sudden, it's gone. And they wouldn't let us post, like, some of the stuff that we were doing. Like, yeah, we went and, like, skeet shot, like, and did, like, the duck hunting stuff. And we did water balloon fights. We did sumo wrestling. Like, it was so much fun. It's missing. So it's like. It sucks because I want to watch it.

Whitney Wren (29:13)

I do know TV takes a long fudgeing time, though. So if they really have a sizzle.

Kristen (29:18)

Reel, like, there was nothing even, like, presented to us at all.

Whitney Wren (29:21)

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's insane. I would definitely get a lawyer involved and try to find out what's going on because that's just.

Kristen (29:28)

Because, you know, you guys have to take it. You have somebody else, and they could edit it and post It.

Whitney Wren (29:32)

Absolutely that. Or you guys could fudge do it yourselves and put it on.

Kristen (29:36)

I would have edited it 15 times.

Whitney Wren (29:38)

Yeah. Literally. Yeah, I would definitely try to get that footage and see if you guys can. Can get it. But you guys always have. You always have to sign one bad deal to appreciate the next.

Kristen (29:45)

And it sucks because it's. I'm going through like three things right now because I'm not. I don't put up with people's anymore. I'm done. Like, I don't. That's why I don't like signing anything with anybody because they just have the rights to you. And, like, if I change my mind, like, I don't want to say. I'll tell you after.

Whitney Wren (30:00)

Okay.

Kristen (30:00)

But just like, like, thank God. I mean, me and Kristen's, like, podcast thing wasn't like, it was as needed, so it wasn't as, like, messy as it had to be. But I'm still going through that lawsuit with the podcasting from.

Whitney Wren (30:14)

Oh, I told you guys, man. I said you have to be careful what you guys talk about. I tried so hard.

Kristen (30:19)

It was the fact that I wouldn't say, I don't even say her name. And it's still a thing, but still.

Whitney Wren (30:24)

Like, you're telling her damn story.

Kristen (30:26)

Money hungry dude.

Whitney Wren (30:27)

I know you can't. You can't tell other people's stories. I've learned. I've learned very valuable lessons myself through this journey. It's very, It's. You know, nobody gives you a booklet on how to have a podcast. This pot, I've had mine since 2019.

Kristen (30:45)

I was just copying your still learning girl. I'll give you all the credit, too.

Whitney Wren (30:49)

I love you. I'm still learning. But you just got. You just got really.

Kristen (30:54)

We started a trend.

Whitney Wren (30:55)

Yeah. You guys just got really caught up in a bad situation and now you're, you know, it's a lesson learned and chalk it up.

Kristen (31:03)

But now I know if I were to go back in time, I wouldn't say anybody's name.

Whitney Wren (31:12)

Yeah.

Kristen (31:12)

That's all I gotta say.

Whitney Wren (31:13)

Yeah, we don't. I don't say anybody's name anymore. And if I do, I'll bleep it out. Yeah, Like, I just. The only reason we're saying, like, Kristen's name and stuff like that, she's been on the podcast. She knows that. I'm sure she knows you're coming here and, you know, I'm sure she doesn't mind us talking about her because we're not talking about her in a negative light. Except for When I was mad at her, but that was fucking years ago. We're over it, and I haven't even had a chance to talk to her about it. Really. I was gonna wait till I saw her in person.

Kristen (31:37)

I have. I have so much to tell her, and she will not talk to me. Like, towards the end of our, like, breakup, we, like, nothing was even talked about in person. So it was, like, frustrating because I wanted to just have a conversation with her and be adults. Dude, I'm 26 years old. What are we doing?

Whitney Wren (31:54)

Yeah, that's hard. Whenever you want to communicate and that other person's not open.

Kristen (31:58)

Yeah, like, I'm your sister, dude. Like, I'll be here till the end. I'll give a fuck what you did. You killed my Fuck my rabbit. I would still be your friend.

Whitney Wren (32:05)

No. Don't be killing any rabbits, buddy. Well, I'm glad that you and Kristen are talking again, though, because I really feel like you guys will find each other again. And I knew that whenever I. Anytime I see, like, little friendship breakups online, I'm like, this is. They'll. They'll be back together. It just takes time. And all friends have to go through that shit. You guys have to kind of, like, learn each other's boundaries and, like, how far the other one will go. And, like, you know, there's just a. Kind of like a pecking order, I guess you could say 100. So let's talk about this relationship with Tyler. You guys start filming this reality show. You guys are falling in love behind the scenes. Did Kristen know? Like, who knew?

Kristen (32:47)

To be honest, I think Creature is the only one that knew.

Whitney Wren (32:51)

I feel like Krish harbors tons of secrets for everybody.

Kristen (32:54)

And he don't say, I know.

Whitney Wren (32:56)

He's such a little og. Yeah, he's really sweet.

Kristen (32:58)

He's been through a lot, and he's.

Whitney Wren (33:00)

Young, so I hope he can find a girl that just, like, loves the out of him because he deserves it.

Kristen (33:05)

Yeah, he's funny.

Whitney Wren (33:06)

And Kaden. Where the has Kaden gone?

Kristen (33:09)

Making music, I think. Yeah, he calls me randomly and I'm like, he's different.

Whitney Wren (33:14)

Yeah, he just texted me the other night. He's like, are you at your bar? I'm like, no. I'm like, where did you. I wanted to be like, where have you been?

Kristen (33:20)

Yeah, seriously. He'll call me randomly and be like, miss you. And I'm like, thanks. Yeah, Best you do. Where have you been?

Whitney Wren (33:25)

Yeah, like, he doesn't even post on.

Kristen (33:27)

TikTok anymore or anything, but no one really knew okay. So I had another boyfriend for, like, two weeks.

Whitney Wren (33:37)

The guy with the fish necklace.

Kristen (33:38)

Jared. Okay.

Whitney Wren (33:40)

Okay. She said no.

Kristen (33:41)

It was Jesse, though.

Whitney Wren (33:42)

Okay. Okay. Yeah, I remember him.

Kristen (33:44)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (33:44)

God, it was only two weeks. Why did it seem she tried to.

Kristen (33:47)

Ask me out three days after I met him? I was like, whoa, you live in fucking bfe. We gotta chill. So I was dating him at the time, and I went to Gulf Coast Jam, and Tyler, like, Tyler's always like, me. He's always made comments about, like, my ass and, like, how hot I am and stuff. So it was like he just. Tyler always did that.

Whitney Wren (34:07)

Sweet little Tyler.

Kristen (34:11)

He. He wanted to show me his little reality show. He was flirting with a girl on tv, and I was like, oh, he's cute. Whatever. Like, and then from there, I think we kind of just were hanging out. He would fly down to me and, like, hang out with me, but he would show me, like, more how much of a gentleman he was. Like, he. Me and him weren't even together. And he drove me 10 hours to Alabama, and we drive back. Like, he, like, was just very caring. Like, he cares about other people more than himself. So, like, I would notice that because, I mean, obviously we were friends for, like, two years before that, but nobody knew. And we all went to this Luke Combs concert, and he came, but I don't think that we talked about us being together at all. Like, we didn't. We. I just didn't want to speak it into existence yet because I. Like, I didn't even know. So I was with my other ex, Tate, at the Luke Comb concerts, and he was old.

Whitney Wren (35:05)

Tate's all over the Internet right now, too.

Kristen (35:08)

Yeah, I saw that.

Whitney Wren (35:10)

He better not, because I. I don't know. I love. I like his girl Lindy.

Kristen (35:13)

Oh, she's hot. She's. She don't like me, but she. I. I love her.

Whitney Wren (35:17)

She's gorgeous. And I think she's got a great personality.

Kristen (35:20)

Yes.

Whitney Wren (35:20)

You know?

Kristen (35:21)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (35:21)

Like, she just.

Kristen (35:22)

So that night, nobody knows this, but me and Tyler made out in the pool. We didn't talk about it after.

Whitney Wren (35:27)

While you were there with Tate after that?

Kristen (35:29)

Yeah, Me and Tate, like, we weren't like. Like, we just. We. I've known him for so long. Like, we were always on and off. Like, we just kind of, like, would hook up and, like, not date.

Whitney Wren (35:38)

Yeah. Yeah.

Kristen (35:38)

But that night, me and Tyler made out, but we didn't talk about it. We didn't tell anybody. We literally just didn't. And then it didn't happen again, so until the Show Rock the South. He went up to one of my. My friends and was like, tell her I like her. Just to see what she would say. That ever since then, like, we were, like, inseparable. And then that's when my. Like, so we were together for nine months, I want to say, and we were talking about, like, getting married. So that kind of scared me a little bit. But I also, like. Like, the thought of, like, being married and, like, doing things together. But I'm also very. Because I lost my dad, I definitely have, like, a wall still with anybody and just, like, not fully giving myself to somebody and making them my partner. Like, I just don't have this idea in my brain of, like, they're going. Like, I always have. Like, they're gonna leave. They're gonna leave. Like, I just immediately just always have this thought in my head, like, they're not gonna stay forever, so why am I gonna share all of this? Like, even thinking about sharing a bank account with somebody, I just. Like, it doesn't reach my mind. Just, like, there's no way. It's not possible. So, like, he was, like, wanting to get married. Like, we were going to. He was gonna propose to me, and it kind of scared me a little bit, so. And then mentally, like, I was going through the stuff with Kristen, a lawsuit with Bri, with, Like, there's just so many things that were, like, the big new house. I had 10 dogs. Like, it was just. Everything was building up, and I just. I just needed to just, like, just fart kind of wanted, like, it was.

Whitney Wren (37:11)

Just, like, spaz the fuck out.

Kristen (37:12)

And then I started to mentally go insane. And he is young. He hasn't really been through a lot. Like, I've lost. I mean, a few people in my life. People have died. I've gone through the divorces. I've gone through drugs, porn, fucking addictions. Like, I've seen it all. So for me, like, things trigger me fast. So when somebody's overstimulating me so much, it starts to piss me off, and I get very angry and upset, and I don't know what to do with myself. Like, it makes me want to, like, actually wake up and just kill somebody. Like, I. It's. It drives me insane. So I told him I was like, you need to go home. Focus on yourself. Like, I still want to be with you. But he just didn't understand me, and it's hard. I don't even understand me. But I knew I needed to get help, and he wasn't helping me by. Not by questioning Questioning my, like, mental stability. Like, I was already going to fall. I don't want to bring you with me. So I broke up with him. And I sat in the car writing a text to him because I. I tried to break up with him a week before because I was like, I don't know what to do. I either have to leave you because you don't understand me, or I have to, like, literally go to a hospital for you to understand how fucked up I am right now. Like, you're not understanding.

Whitney Wren (38:23)

You're just going through a really hard time.

Kristen (38:25)

I was horrible. Like, I couldn't even. Like, I looked happy and, like, that's why everybody's so confused. Cause I just look so happy. And I just. I cannot. I couldn't do it anymore. Like, I love Tyler so much that I couldn't bring him down with me. And I sat in the car with. I actually talked to Kristen for a little bit. Kristen was like, you should probably break up with them. I talked to saying. Said the same thing and then ended.

Whitney Wren (38:48)

Up switching on you.

Kristen (38:50)

Yeah, we'll talk about that, too.

Whitney Wren (38:52)

We're gonna bleep her name because she doesn't even deserve the notoriety. I met her that one time, and I did not love her energy.

Kristen (38:58)

A lot of people, yeah, but I was the only one that did, so that fucks me over, too. But after that, I sat with her and I'm bawling my eyes out, and I'm like, dude, I don't know what to do. Like, he didn't want me to break up with him. Like, he was trying to convince me not to. And it was like, I can't control myself. Like, I don't know what I'm gonna. I wake up, I was crying to him for a good month, every day, because I was so mean to him. And I was like, I don't know what's going on with me. I was like, I don't know how. You haven't even left me yet because I'm so. I was so mean to him, and I didn't know why. And so I. It was my anxiety. I have ocd. I have ptsd. I have everything you could name, like, in my brain, and nothing to. No one to talk to. So I ended up just, like. Just. I went. I don't even know.

Whitney Wren (39:46)

You're like, let me just drop this bomb right here, right there.

Kristen (39:49)

And nobody knew because I just. It was just one day. I just flipped a switch and I was like, I'm done. Like, I can't. And I went Haywire. I went.

Whitney Wren (39:55)

You just reached a breaking point.

Kristen (39:57)

And, like, I didn't want to see him because I didn't want to hurt him. So that's what happened with the cops. The cop call, whatever.

Whitney Wren (40:02)

Yeah.

Kristen (40:02)

I told him not to show up in my house. Like, I was. I was so up that I could not, like, mentally see him. I didn't want to. I didn't want to give him back his stuff because I. I wanted to be with him. It just. I needed to get right first, so I ended up doing that. A lot of chaos happened with the police calls, and. And then a lot of shit's going down with my family and.

Whitney Wren (40:25)

And then let's.

Kristen (40:26)

Just.

Whitney Wren (40:26)

For the people who don't know what's going on, all of this was playing out on social media.

Kristen (40:31)

Yes.

Whitney Wren (40:31)

So, like, literally every breath you took was just.

Kristen (40:35)

My phone call. My police call was posted online. That was so up. I literally.

Whitney Wren (40:40)

That.

Kristen (40:40)

That was like. That was like, when my anxiety was at its peak. And I just wish I didn't know what to do. Like, I physically had no other option because I was so scared of everything that was going on in my brain and with. With life. And I. It just. Everything. It. I don't even remember half it. I blacked out for most of the.

Whitney Wren (40:59)

Well, you probably had selective memory because it was. Everything was so traumatic. I mean, I know the. We were seeing online, too. We were like, holy.

Kristen (41:08)

Nobody liked me because of how much I was acting out, and I knew what I was doing.

Whitney Wren (41:11)

Yeah, but, like, no, it wasn't about you acting out. I was just. All the hate that you were getting, it was just not. That's why I think I even text you. Yeah. Are you okay?

Kristen (41:20)

And I went online and told everybody, like, I'm mentally uncomfort unstable. Like, what do we not understand? Yeah, Leave me alone.

Whitney Wren (41:25)

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Kristen (44:24)

And they don't, they don't give a.

Whitney Wren (44:26)

They really don't. And that's the one side of Tick tock that like, everybody's like, so how do you feel about this band? And I'm like, I don't, I'm. I don't Care. I'm indifferent either way because Tick Tock is such a stepping stone. And it's amazing for some things, but.

Kristen (44:38)

On the other side, advertising for me, that's my.

Whitney Wren (44:41)

Yeah, but on the other side, it's. I've seen it just ruin people's lives and like tear them down. And I mean the. That you and Kristen and Tyler and all of them go through in that circle is crazy.

Kristen (44:55)

And the craziest part is like, aside from us being online, there's so many people that I know in real life that do the same and they don't get hate for it because they're not online.

Whitney Wren (45:04)

Right.

Kristen (45:05)

But it's like I see like people stealing people's baby daddies. They're not, they're not getting over. Like, they're not getting. Who cares? Yeah, who gives a. But like, because it's online, it's just such a big deal. Like you.

Whitney Wren (45:16)

Well, it's because you have people that are at home that. And this isn't me being rude. It's just people that don't like, stay at home.

Kristen (45:21)

Moms.

Whitney Wren (45:22)

Yes. And it's like they're living their lives vicariously through you guys, which to me, a 30 and 40 year old woman living their lives through you guys is already weird to me. I would never do that. Like, I'm 45 years old. I love you like a little sister and I'm proud of you for what you do, but I'm not gonna like, through you.

Kristen (45:41)

I look at myself and I'm like, how the, like, they'll literally take like my like screenshots, like my Snapchat, like zoom in and be like, she's wearing those kind of nails on that day. That means that they like, it's just like.

Whitney Wren (45:51)

That's how I hear about the fish necklace thing.

Kristen (45:53)

Yes.

Whitney Wren (45:53)

I saw like a video popped up and they're like, he has the same fish necklace on as her. And I'm like, are you kidding me? There's like so many times I want to just talk on these TV and be like, are you guys fudgeing? Okay.

Kristen (46:04)

No.

Whitney Wren (46:05)

Who needs a hug? I'm handing them out, you know, but you just can't because then you feed their fuel.

Kristen (46:09)

And it's funny because what actually really gets me really is the T pages that have mental. Like they're going through mental shit by posting My Life. Like, you're going through shit because you're getting hate for posting what the fuck I'm doing. Yeah, that's weird. Like, imagine how I feel. Yeah, this is you're posting what I'm doing, imagine how I feel. I get to double the hate. But thank you for posting, man. Gives me clout. But, like.

Whitney Wren (46:43)

Well, it's hurtful all around, so. So let's go back to this. You made the phone call to the cops when Tyler showed up at your house, and you asked him not to. When you were in the house, your ex was in there with you. Okay. Why was he in there with you? Whitney.

Kristen (46:58)

Okay, so 4th of July, you go to the bar. Okay? He shows up. He's there hanging out with his friends.

Whitney Wren (47:07)

He is not hot.

Kristen (47:08)

No, He's. No.

Whitney Wren (47:09)

Okay. I'm like, you are way.

Kristen (47:10)

That was beautiful for that. He put me through a lot of shit, too. I think it was more like an out to make it feel like. Like a validation type of thing. Because I knew he was going to come back to me, like, any time I wanted. And I don't know why I hurt Tyler. Like, that was just dumb.

Whitney Wren (47:25)

But you were having what sounds like kind of like a nervous breakdown. Oh, you just lost your best friend. You are dealing with a fucking heavy lawsuit, which is scary. You are. You lot. I think you lost Bri at the time, too. Or were you guys beefing?

Kristen (47:40)

I might have been, like, right before.

Whitney Wren (47:41)

Okay.

Kristen (47:42)

But it was just like. Everything was just, like, not crashing down. Yeah. And then it got worse from there. So she's like, that's not it. Like, here. God.

Whitney Wren (47:52)

Wait, we're figuring out why. I don't want to say his name.

Kristen (47:55)

So Fish Boy.

Whitney Wren (47:56)

Why Fish boy was in the house.

Kristen (47:58)

So that day from the bar, we leave. Okay, let me just. I'm not going to point fingers, but there was somebody that basically invited him to the house. Did I say no? No. Because I don't care. I'm single now. Like, what the fuck? I don't care. And I wanted, like, validation, I think. Whatever. We ended up an ego stroke. There was four of us that went back to the house, and then that was just the first day. And, like, it's for me. I like to have, like, a backup plan. Like, so whenever, like, something goes wrong, I always have, like, a backup plan. And he was like, my backup plan because I was just, like, I don't know, dumb.

Whitney Wren (48:36)

I talk about that in my book. I used to triangulate men all the.

Kristen (48:39)

Time and just keep around. Like, it just was like a. Like a come on.

Whitney Wren (48:44)

Yeah.

Kristen (48:45)

So, yeah. And he was there. And two days later, we go on the boat. The only other person that has driven my boat. I bought this boat. Okay. This Is my boat, but I don't drive it. I have other men drive it for me. So because I didn't have a boyfriend at the time, I called my ex because I knew he could drive a boat. He drives boat. We go out during the day. Whatever. No, it was like a huge group of us.

Whitney Wren (49:22)

Were you guys hooking up at all?

Kristen (49:23)

No. No.

Whitney Wren (49:30)

There's cameras on you, Whitney.

Kristen (49:32)

Yeah, I think everybody knows by now. Yeah, it was just once. It was just once. It was like a recollection type of thing.

Whitney Wren (49:38)

Had to, like, selective memory kick, remember it.

Kristen (49:43)

And then I remember why I broke off with him, too.

Whitney Wren (49:46)

Oh, no.

Kristen (49:47)

Yeah. The third day after the boat, I was like, I need someone to clean the boat. The. I'm not gonna go home and clean the boat myself. So he comes back, cleans the boat. Tyler's texting me throughout that day. That morning, he flew all the way down from Alabama to. To get his stuff. Okay. I think he had, like, a passport and maybe, like, a bunch of clothes. And he wanted this damn dog crate that he gave to me. And I was like, fuck it. I said, do not show up to my house. I will call the cops on you. Like, I don't care. Like, it was just, like. It was a boundary thing, I think, because I knew he was trying to overstep my boundary. And for me, I get anxiety when people don't respect me.

Whitney Wren (50:22)

I understand that.

Kristen (50:23)

So he was like, I'm showing up to your fucking house. Blah, blah. I'm like, no. The fuck? So he pulls up. I knew he was coming, So I think I had kept my ex there just in case anything happened. Did I want Tyler to know that he was in there? No. But I knew he. Either way, he was gonna find out. I mean, what am I gonna lose? I already broke up with him, so it was like I had nothing to lose at that point. The only reason that he knew that he was in there was because my ex walks in the fucking garage, is playing with the dogs, and there's no. There's a full window just open. And he's. I guess Tyler was just looking in there. I was like, dude, fucking moron. So then the cops came. Whatever. They tried to, like, they were asking me if I wanted to, like, press charges on, like. Like, the trespassing or whatever. And I was like, no, because I know he's gonna come back. Like, I know I'm gonna be with him again. I just was going through. So, yeah, he was in the house. I call. I ended up calling because I was, like, freaking Out. Because I. I. Bro. At this point, Tyler was, like, on edge too, because he. He's like that too. He gets a little. So he's on edge. He. He brings him and Taylor over. I thought that someone was gonna fight somebody because he sat outside my house, like, two and a half hours.

Whitney Wren (51:38)

I was like, we love Taylor, by the way.

Kristen (51:40)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (51:41)

Shout out Taylor.

Kristen (51:41)

Yeah, we love Taylor. We. We. I thought he was gonna leave when I gave him the passport. No, he didn't leave. He just sat outside. So I think he was gonna stay. He was probably gonna sleep outside.

Whitney Wren (51:53)

You were gonna. You were breaking his heart.

Kristen (51:55)

I know. I did.

Whitney Wren (51:56)

And he loves you.

Kristen (51:58)

I apologized, I think, more. More times than I. Than I. Yeah. Yeah.

Whitney Wren (52:04)

So you guys go through this big debacle with the police, call the breakup, and then Tyler kind of starts living his best life online. And, like, I don't know, he was.

Kristen (52:15)

Still on my phone the whole time. Yeah, he was still, like, texting me. We did try to. I tried to get back with him after. I, like, my meds start kicking in. So this is like. I love that August.

Whitney Wren (52:28)

I love that.

Kristen (52:29)

I'm like. I'm like, I need him back. So, like, like mid August, I had a show. He was supposed to show up.

Whitney Wren (52:36)

You guys have been broken up for how long? How long's mid August?

Kristen (52:38)

Two months.

Whitney Wren (52:39)

Two months. Okay. So, yeah, he had already been having his little.

Kristen (52:41)

He was telling me he wanted to get back with me. Whatever. Like, I went and saw him.

Whitney Wren (52:45)

Is he a Montana boy now? Because why is he hanging out?

Kristen (52:48)

I think Jaden is, though. They're all like. They're wilding out. I mean, let me tell you, they're having their fun.

Whitney Wren (52:57)

Good. They deserve to. As they should. As they should.

Kristen (53:00)

I mean, you're in Montana. What the fuck else are you gonna do?

Whitney Wren (53:02)

Is Jaden in Montana too?

Kristen (53:04)

No.

Whitney Wren (53:04)

Oh, okay.

Kristen (53:05)

I think he just likes.

Whitney Wren (53:06)

Jaden just likes to Maine. Yeah.

Kristen (53:08)

He likes their attraction.

Whitney Wren (53:09)

He likes to make a guest appearance.

Kristen (53:10)

Yeah. He's like. He knows that they're all attractive. They can get whoever they want. So mid. Okay, so like mid August, we're. He's supposed to come to my show. He ends up going to Vegas and lies to me and doesn't tell me. He ends up getting with somebody calls me, and that's the first time I. He knew about my ex. So I was like, okay. He gets all pass.

Whitney Wren (53:32)

So this whole time you weren't hooking up with anybody else? So that last time, that one touch.

Kristen (53:37)

Point, I was like, I'm never doing that again. Never did that again. Because my ex went online, was like, her. But I was like, okay, you're disgusting.

Whitney Wren (53:43)

Oh, yeah. Don't you hate dudes?

Kristen (53:45)

Yeah. Like, you, you're literally a drunk. Like, stop.

Whitney Wren (53:49)

But I mean, any dude to be like, hey, I this girl and go online and say that, like, that's like, so gross. Yeah.

Kristen (53:54)

I'm like, so that's the, that's the first time I ever heard of him getting with somebody.

Whitney Wren (54:00)

And I was like, it hurt.

Kristen (54:02)

Yeah. I cried for like a week. And I was like, okay, well, I can't really be upset because how did you find out?

Whitney Wren (54:07)

Because he didn't.

Kristen (54:07)

He called me and told me.

Whitney Wren (54:09)

Oh, okay. So he was ready. He was like, hey, here's a heart.

Kristen (54:12)

He's like, hey, yeah, instead of coming your show, I actually somebody. So thank you.

Whitney Wren (54:18)

Oh, he. Her.

Kristen (54:19)

Yeah. I was like, wow. Good thing.

Whitney Wren (54:20)

Who was it?

Kristen (54:21)

No idea. He said he didn't know who it is.

Whitney Wren (54:23)

Good for Tyler.

Kristen (54:24)

I was like, period.

Whitney Wren (54:26)

I was like, was it good for Tyler? He got his little heart broken. Was like, you know what? I'm gonna go find. Yeah.

Kristen (54:33)

So then after that, some went down with him and Kristen with the whole, like, he, yeah, because he was hanging.

Whitney Wren (54:42)

Because it. Didn't Romeo somehow get in the mix too? Like, where did he come from? And then, like, Tyler and Romeo were there at the same time. I don't remember.

Kristen (54:50)

Everything kind of, like, pissed. Pissed me off. Everything he was doing was just trying to piss me off. And I was like, yeah, you're doing a great job.

Whitney Wren (54:55)

But him. Are him and Jacob friends? Yeah, Tyler and Jacob. And are him and Kristen friends?

Kristen (55:00)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (55:01)

Okay.

Kristen (55:03)

So I guess Tyler, I'm guessing, didn't tell them. He'd never really told anybody, like, that he was still talking to me because he, he's really. He likes his image, and that's fine. I, I, he's young and like, he, he cares what people say about him. He does. Especially his parents and especially his friends. And, like, even when we were together, his friends always had something to say about me and blah, blah, which they still do. Like, last night, we had to have a talk with Jaden because he was.

Whitney Wren (55:31)

Like, I don't care if you guys.

Kristen (55:32)

Are together, but just work it out.

Whitney Wren (55:34)

But.

Kristen (55:35)

Which I understand.

Whitney Wren (55:39)

Well, they, they're probably looking out for their friend because they don't want him.

Kristen (55:43)

I respect that, but don't be, don't be a dick.

Whitney Wren (55:45)

Yeah.

Kristen (55:46)

Like, if he wants to be with me, he's gonna be with me. Don't be a Fucking asshole. You don't need to shoot him. Like. Like he's gonna make himself happy whether he's with me or not.

Whitney Wren (55:52)

Yeah, obviously he's tried to move on. You guys are both.

Kristen (55:54)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (55:55)

Move on. And you keep coming back to each other.

Kristen (55:57)

So the situation that I was. I blocked Tyler. I was like, I am done. Was when he went to Kristen and told her that I was begging him to talk. Begging him to talk to me or else I was going to kill myself. And she went online and said that. And I. I was. That was when I was, like, going through so much, and she sat there knowing how much I was going through, and I sat there and did the same thing with her. In the beginning of when we were friends, I was so distraught. I was like, bro, this did not just go online and say that disgusting mental health. That my mental health's fake and all this bullshit. I was like, whatever. And then she also said I was pregnant or something about me saying I'm pregnant to keep him around when. Come on. You know, he's still talking to me every day. Like, let's not. Let's not be surprised. Like. But I was just so upset about, like, one. I wasn't there a pregnancy. No. I thought. But I took a test. I never said I was pregnant. I literally just said, hey, like, my boobs hurt. I'm take a test. And then somehow fucking goes around everywhere. But I asked, and she was living with me, and she gave me a pregnancy test and it was negative, and I sent it to him. And I was like, hey. Like that. I don't know if, like, it's just early to say or something, but, like, I'm just letting you know, like, I haven't had my period, whatever. So I sent it to him and he was fine. Like, he didn't, like, make a huge deal about it. And then, like, two weeks later, I was like, hey, I'm still feeling the same way. I think my birth control is just messed up or whatever. But when we had hooked up when we weren't together, that was when I was kind of scared a little bit, so. But that's. I guess he just used that against me and was like, you. She's fucking only talking to me because she thinks she's pregnant. Like, that shit's not funny. Like, to me, I don't like that because I don't want people to know that. And if I was, you just fucking outed me. Thank you.

Whitney Wren (57:49)

Right?

Kristen (57:49)

It's weird. I would never do that to you. I would never, ever say Any of that stuff online ever. But that all went down. I blocked him. I was like, fuck you. I tried to move on. I. Me and my manager were hanging out, like, extra. Like, we were. We were like. I was single. I was vulnerable. I didn't really care. So me and him were, like, hanging out. Whatever. I go to Georgia, which is like, when me and Tyler. We love Georgia. Going to Georgia together. He had his own ATV there. Like, my stepdad and my mom love him so much. Like, he. Like, they want me to marry him. We go there and he calls me randomly. He was talking to somebody else. He calls me and goes, I can't be. I. I don't want to be with anybody else. Like, I can't. I tried to talk to other people. Like, he was talking to another girl on Tick Tock, and he was like, I can't stop thinking about you. Whatever. But I'm like, I'm with my manager at. In Georgia, so I'm like. So I'm like, were you.

Whitney Wren (58:48)

Were you hooking up with the manager? Yeah, because the manager's cute.

Kristen (58:51)

Yeah. Okay. It wasn't even my manager. I never signed anything with him. I just. He just helped me manage my life, basically. And, like, he booked me shows, but, like, I don't. I don't care to hide anymore. I'm not gonna sit here and like. Yeah, Like, I don't. Yeah. So go off. But me and Tyler, like, weren't together, but he was, like, still calling me and stuff. And I did still see him, but, like, I didn't. I wasn't gonna end up with my manager. Like, I wasn't. Like, he's. No. So, yeah, ever since then, like, we've been on and off, whatever. And I told him about the manager, and he was really upset, which is understandable. Whatever. Because I did lie to him, but I just didn't want him to do what he did. And he went online but with it, and I just. I didn't want that and trust him. Yeah.

Whitney Wren (59:33)

You guys are gonna have to rebuild each other's trust again. This is gonna take a really long time for both of you.

Kristen (59:39)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (59:39)

You guys did a lot of damage, you know, so it's.

Kristen (59:43)

I hate that. I hate it, because. But the thing is, if I didn't do that, I wouldn't be stronger. I wouldn't step back and know, like, this is what you don't do in a relationship, and this is the mental health that you did go through. I want to make sure I am mentally stable to be with somebody like, you I've never been with anybody like that, where they're actually, like, not toxic. And they want to love me and they want to give everything to me, and I'm still like. Like, so it's just hard because I'm so toxic. My whole life, everything that I've done and seen has been toxic. So it's like Tyler steps in my life, and it's just perfect. Like, it's just like. He's just doesn't argue. He doesn't want to argue with me, wants to take care of me. So it was, like, really hard to.

Whitney Wren (60:28)

See it, to let him love you.

Kristen (60:30)

And now the meds kind of, like, straighten me out a little bit where I'm, like, nicer. I still get overstimulated a little bit. But now we're hanging out and we.

Whitney Wren (60:40)

Definitely have fully back together.

Kristen (60:42)

No, not yet.

Whitney Wren (60:44)

What's keeping you guys from being fully back together? Because I feel like you guys are together all the time.

Kristen (60:49)

I think we are. We just have. We haven't. Like, he. I. I don't know. I think he's. He's testing the waters a little bit.

Whitney Wren (60:58)

Yeah, but how long has it been that you guys have been hooking back up?

Kristen (61:08)

I don't even know. What's today?

Whitney Wren (61:11)

The 18th, right? 19th.

Kristen (61:14)

Oh, let me just. Okay. I'm gonna tell you this because I don't give a fuck.

Whitney Wren (61:19)

Fuck.

Kristen (61:20)

My manager had a fucking girlfriend the whole time.

Whitney Wren (61:22)

No.

Kristen (61:23)

Yeah. Oh. So the. The. We go to Turks. He takes me to Turks with his family, and I'm like. He, like. He's, like, trying to date me. He's like, you can't talk to Tyler. Like, blah, blah, blah. I'm still talking to Tyler on here. I told Tyler I wanted to be just friends. He knew I was with the manager. Like, Tyler knew. He just didn't. He, like, stood off. Like, he didn't say anything, whatever. He just let me be me. I go to out of the country with this kid. He had a girlfriend at his house, watching his dogs, cleaning his house, and I had no idea.

Whitney Wren (61:59)

Did she know about you?

Kristen (62:00)

She knew about me, and he just told her that we were just working together. I said, the. You. You take your client to Turks with your family without and stay in the same bed. Come on.

Whitney Wren (62:11)

Oh, my gosh.

Kristen (62:12)

So this girl's, like, delusional, and she's, like, posting me. And, like, we get there a week, a day before he goes. I don't know if you should go. And I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, I'm at my. I'm ready. I'm ready to go back to beach. Like, I don't care. I'm ready to get drunk. Like, no. So he's being weird. He's like, I don't have anybody else to watch the dog, so I need to have my ex watch the dogs. I was like, okay, it's actually his ex. She had like a pregnancy scare apparently, whatever with that. And they were still talking. I don't know. I didn't really get the whole spiel. We get on the plane, she posts while we're flying Christmas with the dogs. Why was she at your house on Christmas? That's weird. Well, I'm just going to like, that's weird. He goes, I don't know. Maybe she just stopped by to drop the toys off for them. Okay. Like, okay. We get there. He. This is like two, three days in. Like, we would already hooked up. Like, whatever. Three days in. This mother. Yes. Text. I text the girl because she's posting about me and like, she's like posting like the dogs and all this stuff. And I'm like, okay, are you with me?

Whitney Wren (63:37)

What's she saying about you, though?

Kristen (63:39)

She would say, basically, call me a home wrecker.

Whitney Wren (63:45)

Oh, okay.

Kristen (63:47)

Basically. And I had no idea.

Whitney Wren (63:48)

See, I'm so confused though, because if he told her that he was going with a client, how are you a home wrecker?

Kristen (63:55)

I don't know. Oh, I think I posted before. I think I posted in the morning. Something like, like just using a sound. And she thought it was about her, I think. So she posted something towards me and goes, she made a comment and it was like, we are together and her. His whole family knows it. And he's like kissing me in front of his parents. So I was like, okay, clearly those.

Whitney Wren (64:20)

Are the worst families.

Kristen (64:22)

They just don't care.

Whitney Wren (64:23)

Yeah, the dude.

Kristen (64:24)

The dude, your son is literally has two girlfriends right now. What are you doing?

Whitney Wren (64:27)

Yeah, that's terrible.

Kristen (64:29)

So we're at lunch, like, we're chilling. Like, I. I make smart remarks, but he, he's such a gaslighter. He would just like, lie. Like, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. And this motherfucker has passwords to all my shit, logins to all my shit, booking me shows when he.

Whitney Wren (64:44)

Why do you trust people so much?

Kristen (64:45)

I don't know.

Whitney Wren (64:46)

Stop fudgeing doing that, man.

Kristen (64:48)

I know.

Whitney Wren (64:48)

You have built a brand for yourself and you just hand it over to people.

Kristen (64:51)

I know, because that was nice.

Whitney Wren (64:54)

Drive off with my.

Kristen (64:55)

Be successful and make money like me. So he. I text the girl and I Said, hey, I don't know if you guys are together or whatever is going on. I have no idea what's going on. But he. If you guys are together, he's cheating on you. That's all I'm gonna say. She text me a screenshot. He texted her that morning and said, post on your tick tock to beef with her. Get famous. Get. Get clout. And he said, her talk about me? Are you kidding me? Jeez, cloud beef with her so you can get famous and make money.

Whitney Wren (65:31)

Where did you meet this person?

Kristen (65:35)

He messaged me on Instagram and said.

Whitney Wren (65:37)

Whitney.

Kristen (65:40)

I want to book you shows. So he booked me shows and then I started hanging out with him. I was like, I'm bored.

Whitney Wren (65:45)

I mean, he was attracted.

Kristen (65:47)

Yeah, he's cute.

Whitney Wren (65:47)

Okay, Whitney, you're not cute enough to.

Kristen (65:50)

Be doing all that type of shit.

Whitney Wren (65:52)

You gotta stop, baby. You gotta really, like, if you want to build something, you can't just have people DMing you and handing over your shit to them like, so you're learning lessons.

Kristen (66:01)

So the whole point of the story was that happened. I said, fuck you. I'm never talking to you again. Do not text me again. I call Tyler and I'm bawling my eyes out. He knows. He was not. He knows. He goes, I'm so sorry. Like, you want me to help you book a flight? Like, I'll help you do whatever. And that's what I knew. I'm like, this loves me. Like, what am I doing? I'm literally with another guy and he's still talking to me. He loves me. So a week goes by. I think I flew to Bama first. I think I did first. Or he came to me. No, I don't know. My mind's gone. But yeah. And that's how. And he forgave me after all that, which is crazy because I could never. But he's. He loves me.

Whitney Wren (66:46)

And I think you guys love each other.

Kristen (66:48)

His family's getting a little better with me, and I just. It sucks because I basically made myself look fucking stupid because of how I felt without just being honest about it. And, like, could have just not.

Whitney Wren (67:07)

I feel like everybody deserves a chance. And you had your crash out, now you're not allowed to have another one. You gotta just stay, communicate. If you feel like you're going towards that feeling again, just be like, hey, man, I'm starting to feel like I did before.

Kristen (67:22)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (67:23)

And we need to figure out something together because now you guys are in a relationship. Figure this out as a couple instead of you Feeling like you have to fight your battles all alone by yourself. Do it with him. That's what a life partner is all about. If you guys.

Kristen (67:36)

Sometimes I don't understand that. Like, it's just because I know people leave and people abandoned. But he's like so not like that. I don't know why.

Whitney Wren (67:43)

He's got good parents.

Kristen (67:44)

It seems like it's still in my head. I'm like, like he even told me before, like when we first almost broke up, he was like, I just, I don't feel like your partner. I feel like your roommate. Because I would just. He was just there and like his stuff was in another room. Like it wasn't his room or his house. It was like I made him feel like a guest, you know?

Whitney Wren (68:04)

I'm saying you're self sabotaging because you're so afraid to get hurt that you're ending. You're hurting people before they can hurt you.

Kristen (68:11)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (68:13)

Yeah. You gotta stop doing that. Yeah. Let love in wit. Okay. Just let Tyler love you. You deserve to be loved, loved. You know, I love him.

Kristen (68:22)

He's my best friend.

Whitney Wren (68:22)

I saw you whenever you weren't with him and I, you know, I was a crush out two different people.

Kristen (68:28)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (68:28)

You know, like you were just kind of like not yourself.

Kristen (68:31)

Yeah. I just like that he protects me too. Like just everything, with everything. He wants to. He wants to take everything that I have and make it his. No, like, even my dogs.

Whitney Wren (68:43)

That's amazing.

Kristen (68:43)

The has 15 dogs.

Whitney Wren (68:44)

Who? The has 15 dogs.

Kristen (68:47)

I'm one up every time because I know when I get home I'm gonna get another one. No, I'm kidding. Why? I'm kidding.

Whitney Wren (68:52)

Okay, can we talk about this? What is going on with the 15 dogs?

Kristen (68:56)

I love them. I've always grown up.

Whitney Wren (68:58)

I love dogs.

Kristen (69:00)

To have dogs. I don't know what it is, but I have like addiction. It's just like I see how much of a good life I can give them and I want to give it to all of them.

Whitney Wren (69:09)

Okay, so I get that. But don't you think you should have like a little like doggy sanctuary and not in a house. None of them jump in that pool like in.

Kristen (69:20)

Oh, they do. But I have an assistant now. She's like my full time like roommate assistant. So she takes care of them every day. But God, I, I.

Whitney Wren (69:28)

You couldn't pay me enough to take care of 15 dogs.

Kristen (69:30)

That's a herd loves them. No, but they're easy. They're, they're easy. Or if I had three, but I Don't know. I just.

Whitney Wren (69:42)

What is that? What does that show? My strange addiction. Yeah, that's what you should go on.

Kristen (69:47)

For the dog, I would have a hundred.

Whitney Wren (69:48)

Are you gonna be like that with kids too? Just start popping kids out left and right?

Kristen (69:52)

Maybe if they turn out looking like me, I will. They're gonna be.

Whitney Wren (69:56)

I think if you and Tyler have babies together, they're gonna be.

Kristen (69:58)

They're gonna be short, but they're gonna be cute.

Whitney Wren (70:00)

Oh, we stay on a short king. I always forget Tyler's kind of short.

Kristen (70:05)

I think he's like, I actually, like, tiny. Yeah, I'm small. So that's why when I see people.

Whitney Wren (70:10)

Online, like, say stuff about your weight, I'm like, Like, are they out of their minds?

Kristen (70:14)

Then they see me in. That is the number one comment I get in person. You are so small.

Whitney Wren (70:20)

You're.

Kristen (70:20)

Thank you.

Whitney Wren (70:21)

So tiny.

Kristen (70:21)

I'm like, you could ask my weight and you can look up my weight and height. I'm pretty sure it says five six.

Whitney Wren (70:27)

You're not five six.

Kristen (70:28)

Yeah, I'm five one.

Whitney Wren (70:29)

Yeah. I'm like, there's no way you're not.

Kristen (70:31)

Yeah, you're like £200. I'm like, bro, chill out. Who cares? Even if I was.

Whitney Wren (70:36)

Normally when people are 5:1, they don't have a on that critter like you do. So I think that's mom. I think that's where. I think that's where people are, you know, get misconstrued. But anytime I see them trying to, like, shame you on your weight, I'm like, do they know how tiny this girl is? Like, she is tiny. Tiny.

Kristen (70:52)

Yeah. They're always like, you're so small. Every single. Every single person. You're either you're so much hotter in person or you're really small.

Whitney Wren (71:01)

I actually. I don't get. You're so much hotter. Oh, I don't. I get you're prettier in person or you're even prettier in person person. And I don't know.

Kristen (71:08)

I don't get that you're pretty in person. Fudge you.

Whitney Wren (71:11)

I don't know how to take that, though. I'm like, thanks.

Kristen (71:14)

I know.

Whitney Wren (71:14)

I'm like, I'm not road hard and put away online. Like, what the is happening? Like, I don't get it.

Kristen (71:19)

And you're tall, too. How tall are you?

Whitney Wren (71:20)

I'm. I'm about five six, five seven. Okay.

Kristen (71:22)

You're not that. I thought you're taller.

Whitney Wren (71:24)

Well, I'm always in heels, so when I'm in heels. I'm like 5:10.

Kristen (71:27)

You're still lettuce.

Whitney Wren (71:28)

Yeah, but I. Today I've got the. The slides on one more thing I wanted to talk to you about. And is there anything else that we missed in. In that whole debacle? I tried to get like.

Kristen (71:39)

Other than. Other than Brie.

Whitney Wren (71:41)

Yeah. What happened with Brie? So she was like, what, your manager or assistant?

Kristen (71:45)

Just my best friend. I wanted her to make money. She did. My only fans, like, she just helped me.

Whitney Wren (71:51)

Are you still doing only fans?

Kristen (71:53)

Okay, just not as much. I. I was doing it with, like, an agency, but I didn't sign anything, so I cut them off because it had something to do with. With the other manager. So I was like, I'm not gonna.

Whitney Wren (72:03)

Yeah. Stop giving people access.

Kristen (72:05)

I'm done. I'm done, I'm done.

Whitney Wren (72:08)

How's of doing for you? I feel like of is like, so part of the past.

Kristen (72:12)

I just don't. I pisses me off is that I don't want to do nude, but it's all over the Internet anyways.

Whitney Wren (72:20)

Yeah.

Kristen (72:21)

So it just makes me.

Whitney Wren (72:22)

I don't hire that company that I told you about.

Kristen (72:24)

Yes. But that bro, they take down so many links, but there's so many, and there's nothing you can do about it. And it makes me so mad because I want to stop it. Because I want to be with Tyler and just be with Tyler and him.

Whitney Wren (72:37)

Well, if you stop it, the images will stop. They're old.

Kristen (72:40)

They're the same old ones. They're none of the new ones. Because my face isn't anything. Yeah. Other than, like, I don't sell tapes or anything anymore. So it's like I cut all that, like, the actual bad stuff off. Yeah.

Whitney Wren (72:50)

But, like, the best thing I ever did was give up my of.

Kristen (72:53)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (72:54)

It was the scariest thing for me because it was a huge chunk of money for me for a month. And I do miss getting dressed up in lingerie.

Kristen (72:59)

And doing lingerie actually turns me on.

Whitney Wren (73:02)

Yeah. Well, getting dressed up and like, being in front of the camera. Yeah. Because it's like you fall in love with it. I look hot, and it teaches you to be, like, sexy and like, it's an outlet. Yeah. So I totally get that. It was the best thing I ever did because it opened up so many other doors for things. You don't realize how much of hinders you until you get rid of it. And then all these opportunities start coming and they're like, well, we were just waiting for you to said close your only Fans. And we're like, why didn't you say something two years ago? You know, like, so. And what's crazy is God really blesses you when you start trying to do the right thing. And I know that sounds crazy, but I remember sitting in my backyard before I gave up my of, and I just prayed to God, and I was like, lord, if I'm making the right decision, just please show me that I'm making the right decision. And I ended up tripling my money.

Kristen (73:51)

I've literally been doing that. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I'm like. I pray every night. I'm like, it's because I think I have so much to pay for. So much. Because I went out of my way to, like, get this huge house, and, like, I make money on, like, Snapchat and stuff.

Whitney Wren (74:05)

Yeah.

Kristen (74:06)

But it's just, like, a thought in my head knowing that I'm not. I'm not gonna have that. So, like, I want somebody to come in and replace it.

Whitney Wren (74:13)

It will. Once you close it.

Kristen (74:14)

I want to do music. I want to fall in love. I don't want to. And. And Tyler is 100 affected by it. He. He tries not to say anything, but the one thing that he does say is, like, why don't. It's not that I don't respect myself. It's like, how is this so easy for you? Like, how do you just take pictures and make these videos and it just not affect you when it's online? And, like, I always think about that, and I'm like, it does affect me. I just swallow it. Like, I literally just swallow it. It just, like. And I've seen so much stuff. Growing up with prostitutes, with my dad, prostitutes and strippers and drugs and a bunch of these hoochie mamas show up and just twerk in front of me that nothing fazes me anymore. And it sucks because I am numb. Like, I'm so numb to most of the stuff that I do. That's why it's so easy for me to walk away from stuff like that. But. But one thing I'm big on is drugs. I will never, ever, ever agree with that stuff. But I don't know. It's just. I'm numb to it. And everybody always asks me, how do you not, Like, Because I see, like, this girl, Sophie Rain. 50 million?

Whitney Wren (75:27)

Yeah.

Kristen (75:27)

Are you kidding me?

Whitney Wren (75:29)

I always think that those numbers are a little embellished, but, I mean, it's. It's. Well, she also looks like a child.

Kristen (75:35)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (75:35)

So. And that's.

Kristen (75:36)

I Want some knockers? But I'm scared.

Whitney Wren (75:39)

The problem is, is that, you know, the adult industry is so, so big now. It's so big, but it's also so gross because men want girls that look really.

Kristen (75:48)

And I'll never stop. It'll never stop.

Whitney Wren (75:51)

Oh, no. Like, that is porn and prostitution. Well, not porn, but prostitution has been around since the biblical days, you know, and prostitution is a form of porn also. So I guess you could say. Yeah, but I mean, it's been around since the biblical days. Sex sells, so alcohol. So those two things are never going to go away. You just have to decide when it's going to go away in your life. And I promise you, when you. And I'm not preaching to you because, you know, you guys know I support all.

Kristen (76:15)

But I've been thinking about. I've been thinking about this. Yeah, this is hitting.

Whitney Wren (76:17)

I support all my sex worker girlies. And trust me, if I ever have to go back to Of, I will. If I, you know, like, if I ever need to, you know, make. Make a quick bag and I get in a position to where I have to do that, I will definitely do it. But as for right now, like, when you want to get rid of it, get rid of it and just know that you can always go back to it. Just see how it is for six months to a year without it and see how much your life changes and what blessings come in without it. Just so you don't have to have that. That.

Kristen (76:46)

Yeah, it's like a feeling inside.

Whitney Wren (76:49)

Yeah. Of like.

Kristen (76:50)

Like every time I pray. This is so funny to talk about because this is. I've been thinking about this for so long. Every time I pray about it, when I say, like, you know when you pray, you're like, jesus, forgive me for my sins. That's immediately what I think about because I'm literally doing exactly what I'm telling myself to forgive me for. And it's like, obviously, like, all sins are equal and we do the same stuff over and over again. It's like I'm literally still doing it. Like, why am I even asking for forgiveness if I'm still gonna do it?

Whitney Wren (77:20)

My prayer was always, lord, I know that I'm sinning right now, but I know you understand why I used to try to gaslight Jesus. I'm like, I know you know why I'm doing this right now. And then when I didn't have to pray that prayer anymore, I was like, that was kind of fucked up. I am so sorry, you know, like, but he loves you. No matter what. He loves you no matter what. And he. And we're not here to preach to everybody and the girls that have OFS at home. We understand you never apologize for what you have to do to survive or what. What got you through to where you are today?

Kristen (77:51)

You know, I think that's why I'm still holding on because. Because this made me where I'm at today. And it's. I mean, now if TikTok actually goes away, that'll definitely affect everything. The advertisement of me because my basically my is starting drama. And if I can't do that, what the else am I gonna do?

Whitney Wren (78:09)

Funnel that o f into Patreon. That's what I did. You literally just get. It's like tit for tat. So it's like replacing this with that. And that's exactly what I did. Like, ask Mimi. And Patreon ended up paying triple what fucking of was paying me once I got rid of of. It was crazy. Like, my Patreon just fucking blew up.

Kristen (78:30)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (78:31)

So, I mean, just whenever you're ready, just know that you don't have to do that. And if you're ready to give it up and you want to give it up for Tyler, so you guys have a really good chance. You can. And if it doesn't work, go back to it. It's like. It's that simple. You got this, sister. Let's talk about your music because you're doing really fucking good. Thank you, man. And I would really like to see you pursue that because I feel like that is the real Whitney. When we see you on stage smiling.

Kristen (78:56)

Performing for people, I love it. Every time I'm on stage, I get off and I'm like, let's do this again. Like, it's. It feels like I'm flying when I'm. When I'm on stage. And I. When I started to, like, get on stage and realize how good I actually am and can be, I was. So that's my. That was my number one biggest insecurity ever was singing in front of people. And I still, like, now if you'd have been like, sing for me. I still probably wouldn't, but, like, that was the biggest insecurity for me.

Whitney Wren (79:27)

Yeah.

Kristen (79:28)

Singing in front of people. I don't know why. I think I just. I obsess over how good certain people are that I'm not that. And I don't sound like that. But, like, I do. I love singing. I love dropping music. I definitely want to get to where I am writing my own music because Right now, it's just from my. My songwriter, so it's not. It doesn't hit as hard. And I'm very. I really want to do ballads. Like, I want to sing, like. Like Jesse the Climb.

Whitney Wren (79:55)

Yeah.

Kristen (79:55)

Like, I love, like, Jessie Murph. Yeah. Like Avery Anna, like, a lot of those girls. It's just hard because I don't live here.

Whitney Wren (80:02)

I feel like Jessie sings more than ballads, though. She's always doing, like, some sort of. Like, she's too.

Kristen (80:07)

She's. And Tate McCra don't even get me.

Whitney Wren (80:10)

I. I would marry her, bro, so bad. She is gorgeous. Yeah. Like, she is so gorgeous, dude. And she's got swag, and she's got.

Kristen (80:21)

Her dancing and her hair and her face is. She's just.

Whitney Wren (80:25)

Her work ethic is insane, dude. Like, whenever you see that girl, she's working.

Kristen (80:30)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (80:30)

Like, you don't ever see her on an off day.

Kristen (80:33)

I'm just. I'm just obsessed with her.

Whitney Wren (80:34)

Like, Tate, we love you.

Kristen (80:36)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (80:36)

Come on the podcast so I could just stare at you.

Kristen (80:39)

Come hang out with me.

Whitney Wren (80:40)

I'd love that.

Kristen (80:41)

But, yeah, no, I do. I do love music. I just. I don't like. Okay. So when I know I think of music, I think I know what. A lot of people have put, like, so much work into their music, like, and doing so much to get where they're at. I hate using other people. I'm very. I want to do this on my own, so, like, I want to build myself up. And, like, in the music industry, you have to, like, use each other, and I hate that because I just want to. That's why I've been doing it all on my own. Like, I got used the first fucking song. Fuck you. By the way, if you're watching this.

Whitney Wren (81:20)

Are you talking about the dude that fucking did this?

Kristen (81:22)

I still never got the money for my song. God.

Whitney Wren (81:27)

But you know what it is, Whitney? You are just so anxious to do that. You don't like.

Kristen (81:32)

I'm like. I'm like this.

Whitney Wren (81:33)

Yeah, but you don't care to fucking vet these people who are awesome. Offering. No, the things that they. You know, that they're offering, and you're just going in one bad deal after another, and then all these people just know that they can get clicks and views off your name. So it's like, you know, you have to protect yourself a little bit more, and you need to have somebody who actually is really protecting you. Maybe Tyler could be, like, in a management position for you, too.

Kristen (81:57)

He loves. He wants to.

Whitney Wren (81:58)

Yeah, I feel Like, Tyler would protect you, but working with your significant other is very hard. Okay.

Kristen (82:03)

Jay and I like boundaries, for sure.

Whitney Wren (82:05)

Yeah. Jay and I did that for the longest time, and I am so happy he has his own team, and I don't know what the he's doing. Like, you have no idea. Like, when you're live together, sleep together, and work together, it's a lot. So just know that if you guys aren't strong, that that could come in between you. You two also. But definitely you need to keep pursuing this music career, because when you drop, you chart.

Kristen (82:31)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (82:31)

Every time, a lot of people don't get that, you know, so you definitely have something special.

Kristen (82:36)

I just want to write my own music, so it means more to me, so it makes me want to draw.

Whitney Wren (82:40)

So start writing. Who are you? What are you waiting for?

Kristen (82:42)

I don't live here, so, like, everybody who wants to write with me wants to. Wants me to write up here.

Whitney Wren (82:48)

Yeah.

Kristen (82:49)

And, like, I do, like, zooms just doesn't count, like, for me. Just, like.

Whitney Wren (82:52)

So why don't you do, like, once a week, once a month, come to Nashville for a week and just sit and write.

Kristen (82:58)

Anybody?

Whitney Wren (82:59)

Hello?

Kristen (83:00)

Well, okay, you guys. I'm like, hello. All right, dude. That'd be fun.

Whitney Wren (83:05)

Oh, dude. What do you want to write Dirty Christmas songs? I got you. Hell, yeah, I got you. We could write a dirty Christmas song. All right.

Kristen (83:12)

Baby Jelly writes his own songs. He does.

Whitney Wren (83:16)

He does. And a lot of people. It's the funniest thing, because people are, like, jolly sold out when he signed his record deal. He doesn't write his own music. My husband writes every song. He has writers in the room that help, but.

Kristen (83:27)

So why does it matter, though?

Whitney Wren (83:29)

So does every body else.

Kristen (83:30)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (83:31)

That writes hits. They have. It's a. It's like you're sitting around your friends.

Kristen (83:35)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (83:35)

Yeah. It's not people that are just going in there that aren't your friends. It's like a group of people that are just hanging out saying, like, this is a. Let's do this here, and let's do. You know, it's a vibe, so. But, I mean, even without Nashville, you can start writing by yourself and writing songs.

Kristen (83:50)

It's just like the adhd, I mean, doesn't let me just sit down and think, and, like, I could definitely write for sure. It's just like, the. The beats and the words. It's just. It just seems like more of a bigger task than it actually is.

Whitney Wren (84:05)

Yeah.

Kristen (84:05)

Because when I was younger, I used to just sit on it because I Can play the piano. So I used to just sit on the piano and, like, make up my own stuff, but I haven't really done that because I don't have, like. I don't have a time to just sit down.

Whitney Wren (84:17)

Well, you've got 15 dogs.

Kristen (84:18)

Yeah, you know, normal.

Whitney Wren (84:20)

If I can buy a piano and try to sit down and maybe I.

Kristen (84:24)

Asked for one for my birthday from Tyler, and he was gonna get me one, but then he canceled it because.

Whitney Wren (84:27)

We broke up maybe for like an hour a day, for 20, 25, or an hour a week, even if that. If an hour a day is too much. And just sit down and say, I'm going to play the piano and write for an hour a week. And that's how you start. And then eventually come to Nashville, start doing, like, a week or even a day. Come here for, like, 24, 48 hours. Do that. Like, just make a game plan. That's all you got to do. You know, you have the means and the ambition to do it. You just have to hone it in.

Kristen (84:55)

Yeah.

Whitney Wren (84:57)

Well, is there anything else you want to talk about, my love? Thank you, God. At all.

Kristen (85:03)

Like, I just vented. Good.

Whitney Wren (85:05)

You feel better? Yeah, that's all.

Kristen (85:08)

I think I need therapy for sure. Yeah.

Whitney Wren (85:10)

That's all that matters. And maybe you and Tyler should go to therapy. Therapy, too, to learn how to cope with each other. It'd be good. Teamwork makes the dream work, you know? Thank you for coming.

Kristen (85:19)

Thanks for having me.

Whitney Wren (85:20)

Why don't you tell everybody where they can find you if they don't already know where to find you?

Kristen (85:24)

You can find me anywhere, really. All over Google. Whitney, Ren.

Whitney Wren (85:28)

Don't point them in that direction.

Kristen (85:30)

Yeah, don't look it up.

Whitney Wren (85:32)

We're all going to look it up.

Kristen (85:33)

Right now on all platforms. Snapchat when you're on seven. I do have a Patreon talk with wit. Let's see how much longer that's gonna go on. I get bored by myself. And also another thing. I don't know how you get guests here all the time. I just don't have the energy.

Whitney Wren (85:48)

It's a lot of work. People don't realize a podcast.

Kristen (85:51)

And then when they don't show up or, like, then they, like. It's just, like, so much work.

Whitney Wren (85:57)

It's a lot.

Kristen (85:58)

And I don't have, like, an assistant for that still, so. Had one. She quit.

Whitney Wren (86:03)

But you'll get it together.

Kristen (86:05)

Yeah, get it together. I have my toe in a lot of things.

Whitney Wren (86:08)

Yes, you're a Gemini right now.

Kristen (86:10)

I'm a Leo. You're Leo.

Whitney Wren (86:12)

Why did I think you were a Gemini this whole time? Leo What? August. August what?

Kristen (86:18)

11Th?

Whitney Wren (86:19)

Oh, you're smack dab Leo. That's why you're such a lover. That's why you're emotional as fuck.

Kristen (86:25)

I'm also an animal.

Whitney Wren (86:27)

You're a lion, baby. I love it. Tell everybody bye for us.

Kristen (86:33)

Love you. Thanks for having me.

Whitney Wren (86:35)

Love you. Bye.

Kristen (86:36)

I watch Dumb Blonde.

Whitney Wren (86:37)

Aw. See you guys next week.

Kristen (86:39)

Bye.