718: A Sensitive Alpha's Grimoire

Summary

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Duncan Trussell Family Hour

Episode 718: A Sensitive Alpha’s Grimoire
Date: October 12, 2025

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Overview

In this distinctly Duncan Trussell episode, the podcast blurs the boundaries between macabre lore, existential humor, spirituality, and community interaction. Framed by the fictional world of "Meat Canyon" and its mysterious murder, Duncan uses wild imagination, impromptu storytelling, and raw authenticity to discuss empathy, spirituality (with special focus on Christianity), online drama, conspiracy culture, and the search for meaning. Throughout, he courts his audience in real time, bounces off co-host Josh, riffs on everything from sex positions to meme culture, and spins off into reflections on human nature.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Meat Canyon, Clown School, and Chad Governson’s Murder

(Starts ~00:00)

• Duncan opens by describing his artwork as a "grimoire" and introduces the surreal lore of Meat Canyon—a town encircled by living meat walls, populated by strange characters.

• He dives into the legend of the clowns of Meat Canyon, highlighting their elevated status and mystical roles.

• The central tale involves the death of Chad Governson, high school quarterback, whose body was found ritualistically dismembered and adorned with a clown nose after a night in the woods (06:57).

  • Quote [07:14]:

    "Chad’s not with us anymore. He can’t defend himself. The McGovern family is wrecked."

• The town’s conspiracy theories and legends swirl—was Chad killed by clowns for refusing their invitation to "clown school," or were the clowns framed?

  • Quote [14:22]:

    "Oh, so you think the clowns were framed?" (Duncan)
    "Yeah, because they know the truth." (Josh)

• Parallels are drawn to CIA/ MKUltra experiments, referencing the theory that Meat Canyon is a covert training facility.

2. True Crime, Internet Conspiracies, and Music Scandals

(John Wayne Gacy segment at 15:00; Deforvid crime tangent at 17:53)

• Duncan and Josh riff on infamous serial killer John Wayne Gacy’s clown art and its collectors, joking about how political figures may own such art (“What world are we living in right now?” — Duncan, 16:11).
• They transition to a discussion of a musician (Deforvid) arrested for murder, dissecting the dark intersections between true crime, art, and online infamy.
• Duncan lampoons the over-wrought songwriting credits in pop music (“How did it take two people to write that shitty fucking song?” — 23:52).

3. Online Culture Wars, Christianity, and Spiritual Exploration

(Begins ~24:15; In-depth at 30:09)

• Duncan addresses the bizarre backlash he gets from fans over exploring Christianity—especially compared to zero pushback for his Buddhist or Hindu guests.

  • Quote [31:12]:

    "Isn’t it technically bigotry to like attack...anyone for their religion?"

• He shares a critical listener post accusing him of being a "Christian dick rider"—sparking discussion on religious bias in internet culture.

• Expresses curiosity at the cultural potency of Christianity—why its embrace provokes outsized reactions compared to Eastern faiths (“How is this thing so potent, so powerful that it would upset people...?” — 32:24).

• With Josh, riffs on empathy, “reverse cowgirl” sex position, and leveling playful, explicit chatroom banter (33:48–36:56).

4. Empathy, Humanization, and the Spiritual Path

(Substantial answer at 38:09 onward)

• Responding to a superchat about managing empathy in an overwhelming world, Duncan offers a deeply compassionate monologue on extending humanization even to those we consider "assholes":

  • Quote [39:37]:

    “The moment you look into their eyes...you realize that number one, they think you’re an asshole, man. They see you in the same light. And you know you’re not an asshole...They don’t know.”

  • Emphasizes the danger of “othering” and the struggle to maintain empathy in a divisive media landscape.

• Explores the radical demand of Christianity to "love your enemy" (Matthew 5:44)—contrasts to animal-level kin-bonding and muses on why universal love is so culturally triggering.

5. Critique of the Internet, Media Distortion, and Spiritual Practice

(Around 68:47 and 80:22)

• Challenges conspiracy thinking around Rogan and podcast guests, warning of the tendency to oversimplify reality into political binaries (“If you are living in a world that has been broken into a political binary...more than likely you have. Your online hygiene isn’t that good. You’ve been doing reverse cowgirl with the Internet and you haven’t been wearing protection.” — 69:38).
• Duncan addresses the difficulty of staying grounded and open-hearted amidst online “torches waving at my digital doorstep” (56:38).
• He emphasizes both the danger and appeal of “doom scrolling” and its impact on personal manifestation (100:39).

6. Community Q&A, Comedy, and Surreal Tangents

(Scattered throughout, especially 60:14 onward)

• Exchanges quips about his inability/refusal to whistle on command, riffing on accusations of being a “beta cuck” from the mob (58:05–60:14).

• Engages the chat with lighthearted questions about his toothbrush, vocal fry, cryptocurrencies, video games, and British comedy.

  • Quote [87:44]:

    “Now they’re calling me a pink brusher with shoey eyes.”

• Shares a funny, bleak supermarket anecdote from Josh about societal numbness (76:27), relating it to internet-induced emotional detachment.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Meat Canyon Lore:

  “Meat Canyon is surrounded by an impenetrable wall of meat. It doesn't rot... If you could just cut meat from Meat Canyon, then a lot of the problems... wouldn’t be there anymore.” (Duncan, 01:55)

• Clown School Revelation:

  “According to the urban legend... is a school for clowns run by clowns, filled with clowns. And this is where the wandering clowns of Meat Canyon emerge from.” (Duncan, 11:05)

• Empathy Monologue:

  “If you can drop the story altogether and realize... this person’s gonna be an old person at some point. Person’s gonna be laying in a hospital bed... People are gonna cry. And this person at some point had a mom who picked them up when they fell and kissed their face and said, I love you.” (Duncan, 41:38)

• On Christianity and Online Backlash:

  "Nothing has pushed me in the direction of Christianity more than messages like the one I'm about to read to you..." (Duncan, 24:45)

• Reverse Cowgirl Bit:

  “Who names these? Is there a naming convention? Is there some kind of group of people that meet every year?” (Duncan, 35:07)

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• 00:00–11:00: Introduction to Meat Canyon, clowns, and the lore behind Chad Governson’s murder.
• 11:00–14:25: Theories about clown school; CIA experiments and conspiracy lore.
• 15:00–19:00: John Wayne Gacy art; disturbing intersections of true crime and culture.
• 19:00–24:15: Deforvid murder case, pop music, and online drama.
• 24:15–31:12: Spirituality, online backlash to Christianity, exploration of bigotry.
• 31:12–36:56: Banter about sex positions, "reverse cowgirl," and cultural interpretations.
• 38:09–48:59: Audience Q&A on managing empathy; reflection on the power and pain of seeing others as human.
• 49:01–60:14: Community interaction—super chat questions, humor, Duncan’s thoughts on selflessness and original sin.
• 68:47–77:20: Navigating internet conspiracy, political binaries, and the limitations of perception.
• 80:22–87:44: Light community Q&A, video games, British comedy, and more.
• 100:39–end: Manifestation, mental hygiene, and closing Q&A.

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Final Reflection

The episode embodies the DTFH’s unique blend of absurdist storytelling, philosophical depth, interactive community humor, and emotional honesty. Duncan oscillates between the wild and the heartfelt, always returning to the importance of perspective, empathy, and the challenge of maintaining an open, non-cynical heart amid online chaos.

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If you’re new to DTFH:
Come for the surreal humor and cultish lore, but stay for the existential probing, raw self-reflection, and relentless reminder that all of us—outcasts, clowns, and Christians alike—are just trying to escape the walls of our own “Meat Canyon.”

Transcript

[A]

Brazil. Poxy. Leafy Dip. Stern House. The Kill. Blip. Her. Zach. Black Cat. Fungal. Fish Man. Hungle. Trash Can. Reap Lips. Well, hello. I didn't see you there. It's just working on my art, my drawings. As an artist, it's important to me to spend as much time in my notebook here. This is more than just a notebook. It's a. I guess you could say it's a grimoire. It's a mirror. And I call this one Meat Canyon. The story of Meat Canyon is a long one. I don't have time to share it with you today, but there's a lot of interesting people that live in Meat Canyon. There's a lot of friends in Meat Canyon. And sadly, there's enemies in Meat Canyon. There's people who just can't get along. And there's some people who feel like there's no escape from Meat Canyon. And I understand why they might think that. Meat canyon is surrounded by an impenetrable wall of meat. It doesn't rot. You think it would. And it's almost impossible to cut meat off of it. It's been tried. If you could cut meat from Meat Canyon, then a lot of the problems of the canyon itself wouldn't be there anymore. Everybody would have plenty of meat. You see, at Meat Canyon, meat's one of the hardest things to. It's incredible art. And I guess I want to show this to you because I think a lot of people out there think that, you know, they're not great artists. And I really hate that because. Yeah, am I a great artist? Like, clearly, when you look at some of the work that I've done, you're going to think, holy shit. Yeah. I mean, you're basically. You're basically Van Gogh. But, you know, I've dedicated myself to this. Alpha males love laugh lift. I've been trying to do inspirational alpha male stuff. And as you can see on the other page, that's a Meat canyon mom. Thank you so much. Now, Meat Canyon, a lot of people ask, how did it get there? And how did people end up trapped in Meat Canyon? I don't like to use the term trapped. It's a controversial term in Meat Canyon, some people say there's nothing outside the meat wall. Sometimes people have tried to get drones to go over the meat wall, and the drones disappear. Supposedly there was a helicopter pilot, Front Admiral Byrd, who made it somewhere into the meat wall and returned. And when he came back, he wouldn't talk about what he saw there. That really, to me, isn't what Meat Canyon's about. And I know everyone's talking about Meat Canyon right now. Seems to be people are almost polarized over the discussion of Meat Canyon. What does it mean? What's your view on it? Why doesn't someone try to save those people? But to me, the conversation that always gets left out when it comes to Meat Canyon are the clowns of Meat Canyon. Now, the clowns of Meat Canyon, they're interesting in the sense that they're not like normal clowns. They've got a lot of status in Meat Canyon. And there's a forest in Meat Canyon that it's massive. And the story I want to tell you today is a story. Maybe you've heard it, maybe you've seen the Dateline episode on it. But it's the story of Chad Governson. Now, Chad Governson was the quarterback at Meat Canyon High, and he was a very popular kid. I don't want to do the thing. And sadly, it is a thing that people seem to not. I don't think anyone means any harm about it. But I do love the concept of not speaking ill of the dead. So I don't want to. I'm not going to say a lot of terrible things about Chad. But I do think if I don't say some of the things that we have heard about Chad, that people act like I'm trying to whitewash the story of Chad. Was he a bully? Did Chad shove Todd French's head into the toilet and give him a swirly, is what they call it in Meat Canyon. It's where you shove the kid's head in the toilet and flush it when there's a turd floating in there. Did Chad take a big shit in that toilet and grab a kid and shove his head into it and flush the toilet? So the turd bobbled all around his head and didn't even go down? Yeah, I think that's true. There's video of it. We've seen it. But that's just one angle of Chad. And regardless of whether Chad did or did not shove a kid's face into a toilet with a stinky turd in there that he just blasted out, Chad's not with us anymore. He can't defend himself. The McGovern family is wrecked. And so I don't want to get too conspiratorial here, but I've seen footage of McGovern's funeral, and it was touching. People sat and it was open casket. The whole school showed up. It wasn't just the cheerleaders. Three of Them pregnant. It wasn't just the jocks. It was the nerds. It was the outcasts. It was valedictorians, it was teachers. Even the janitor, Willie Tamson, was there. And they were all moved by what Chad's brother had to say. And what he had to say was, I don't think my brother was killed by clowns. Now, let's look at the facts. Chad McGovern was known for taking cheerleaders out into that forest and banging them down. He wrote about it in his journal. Not gonna. Well, I'll read a little bit from it because I do think it's part of the story. Happened again. Sally Carson sucked my dick. And it was unlike anything I'd ever experienced. What the fuck? I don't even know what I am anymore. She blew me hard and put her finger deep inside of me. I never thought I'd like that shit. But as it turns out, it got me off good. Yeah, she's a goth, but she sucks cock like no other. At least, almost like no other. Now, this is an interesting part here, because in his journal he'd marked out several lines. And I don't want to get into the gossip about his best friend, Trevor, but a lot of people speculate. Perhaps there was something going on there and that he was referring to getting blown by his best friend, Trevor. I don't know. I don't care. He seemed to have a really powerful sex drive, and he was a quarterback, and, you know, a lot of testosterone there. But let's get down to brass tacks. Let's go through the murder scene itself again. You guys can look this up. I'm not going to pull it up. I don't want to get IP violations. But apparently, Chad McGovern's body was found by Bridget Lake, which was the place that he would go to bang down cheerleaders. Now, his body had been ritualistically dismembered. The hands had been removed from the arms. The feet had been removed from the legs. His nipples, according to the police report, were abnormally inflated and protruding from holes that had been cut in his sports jersey. Horrifying detail. But I think it's important to just look at the brutality of what happened. And, of course, Chad McGovern was wearing a clown nose. Someone had put a clown nose on Chad McGovern. Now, that's where the news kind of ends. The murder was unsolved. Nobody knows what happened. And it's a cold case in Meat Canyon. But having done my own research, having gone to the Meat Canyon Subreddit having had conversations with people who actually live in Meat Canyon. Yes, you can contact them. There's phone still works somehow. I want to talk about clown school. We all have stories that we talk about when we're in high school. Maybe you remember when you were in high school, some haunted house, some scary part of your town, some area that was cursed, inhabited by Satanists, a place you weren't supposed to go. And in Meat Canyon, there's no way that you're going to escape hearing about clown school. Now, according to legend, underneath the forest that Chad McGovern was going to bang down cheerleaders is a labyrinth of tunnels. Now, this is true. There is a limestone cave underneath that forest, but it's uninhabited. There have been a couple of caving accidents there, but the bodies were recovered. I can't remember his name. A French dude went there seeking out hieroglyphics that he claims were down there, and they found him trapped in a crevice, his pants soiled with piss and shit. Normal kind of cave death. That's what's going to happen if you get stuck in any crevice at all. But according to the urban legend around Meat Canyon, somewhere in that limestone cave is a school for clowns run by clowns, filled with clowns. And this is where the wandering clowns of Meat Canyon emerge from. Now, seeing a clown in Meat Canyon is generally considered to be good luck. I don't agree with it. I would hate it. But supposedly, the night before you get married, a clown will come to your window and tap three times if you are going to have a successful marriage. There's footage of this. You can watch it. It does happen. One of the clowns, as you know, Binky, was captured by kids who set a snare out in the woods in front of their sister's house the night before her wedding. And it's shaky footage and stuff, but they were asking, where do you come from? What are you? And he just honked his clown horn, did a backflip, snapping the snare that was holding him down, and ran off into the forest. The next day, those kids died in a car accident. Completely unrelated, but it's one of those weird coincidences that makes you scratch your chin. Now, here's where it gets interesting. Recovered from Chad McGovern's bedroom. I'll just read the letter. It was an envelope. It was sealed with wax that had a picture of a clown in it. And I'll just read to you. You are hereby invited to enroll in clown school. We feel that you have what it takes to be a world class clown, Chad. And we hope you accept our invitation. In fact, you have no choice. Signed the magistrate. What was it? Nobody knows. Did Chad McGovern. Did Chad McGovern say no. And was he murdered by clowns for refusing to go to clown school? I'd love to know your thoughts. Leave them down below in the comments. Thank you. Goodbye. It is weird, though. It is weird. I mean, you've heard about this shit, right? Josh, what are your thoughts on it?

[B]

Well, first of all, I think the clowns. There's a lot of blame going on the clowns because they know that the meat Canyon, that the meat surrounding it is synthetic.

[A]

The.

[B]

That's why it never rots.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so that's what they call it. Clown school. But it's not clown school. They're teaching them why it's synthetic, why they have to stay in Meat Canyon.

[A]

That. I love that theory. I've heard it too.

[B]

Yeah. And that that's why they put the nose on him and to. To frame them. And so, I mean.

[A]

Oh, so you think the clowns were framed?

[B]

Yeah, because they know the truth.

[A]

Look, all I know is I would not want to with the clowns of Meat Canyon. Now, you know, I'm sure you've read what's that fucking book, jfk, The Golden Trapeze. And a lot of people say that these. Yeah, it's like they call it clown school, but it isn't a clown school. It's a training facility for like the CIA. That the whole fucking thing is some kind of CIA experiment that started in the 60s. It's some kind of mkultra shit that the synthetic meat. I don't even. I've heard it's not synthetic. I've heard it pulses when you touch it. That it seems to be kind of alive. I don't know. I've heard that it's one of the many mysteries of the canyon. But yeah, what I've heard is that these fucking. This thing is like a training facility. Because in that John Wayne Gacy. Can you pull up a picture of John Wayne Gacy as a clown? That John Wayne Gacy escaped from Meat Canyon. Have you ever seen John Wayne Gacy's art? Pull up John Wayne Gacy's art.

[B]

Doesn't some famous politician have that up in there? What's that house like some politician, A famous politician has the John Wayne Gacy's art in their house? I can't remember who.

[A]

Ah, no way. Look that up. Is that true? Who the Fuck would put that in their goddamn fucking house? Look at his fucking art. That's. I don't. That's not him. That's someone doing a picture of John. That at the very top. Getty Images. That's his fucking heart. Who the fuck would put that in their house?

[B]

Going for 375 medium.

[A]

What? No, that's a print. Can you look up. Buy original John Wayne Gacy art. John Wayne Gacy sold at auction prices. Pogo the Clown View. Sold prices. You gotta log in, you fucking assholes. I guess go on ebay. Oh, there you go. That's not. That is. Oh God. Jesus. That's one of his worst ones. But enlarge that estimated 3,000 to $6,000 with a signed fucking letter from John Wayne Gacy. Can you imagine buying that? What the fuck, man? What world are we living in right now? Al Burp says that's a ste. There you go. Pedophile. Who sexually is. I guess you can't say that. What are you supposed to say instead of that? PDF? PDF. Who sexually assault is. Too late now, I guess. Who's. Open that up. PDF. Who sexually assaulted Drake Bell. Flaunted painting by serial killer John Wayne Gacy. New doc reveals as long as we're going down this dark path, if. Did you. Josh, did you hear about that singer who had a dead body in his.

[B]

Trunk and it was a 15 year old girl.

[A]

What the fuck is that? And he had songs about it. Dude. Dude. Have you followed that at all? Pull that up. Thank you. David, I guess. Or D4. How do you say it? Does anyone know how you say it? Diffard Difford teen girl's body found in singer Difford's car. Diffid's. How do you say his name? Oh, you just say David. Well, it looks like Defordvid. Deforvid singer.

[B]

Oh, sorry. I'll go back.

[A]

Thank you. Singer Deforvid's tour canceled after dismembered body of 15 year old Celeste Rivas found in his Tesla. And it is that. This rabbit hole is deep, dude. Like it's so goddamn creepy. And I. You know when I heard about him, like, oh, I wonder what his music's like. Not bad if you listen to his music. No, I wish we could play it. It's like. It's pretty good. Do you guys like his music?

[B]

Let me look. Do you know the song?

[A]

Well, we can't play it.

[B]

Well, I know. I was gonna look at the lyrics.

[A]

Oh yeah. Murder song. The name of the song is I murdered my girlfriend and Put her in my car. I can sing it. Pull up the lyrics of Romantic Homicide. I'll sing it. Just probably better than he did it. D La Follette says you could play it now. He's being dropped by his label. No, they'll still get you, man. Here, I'll sing it. I'm scared. Ooh, it feels like you don't care Enlighten me, my dear Ooh, why am I still here? I don't mean to be complacent with the decisions you made but in the back of my mind you're dying and I don't even cry no, not a single tear I'm sick of waiting patiently for someone that won't even arrive it's crazy saying in the back of my mind because he, like, wants to say in the back of his car, right in the back of my crying I kill you. I don't even regret it. Can't believe I said it, but it's true. I hate you. But wait. Songwriters David Burke. Wilden Dharmawan. He didn't write it. Shit. Pull up Will William Darmawan. Just because he's got a cooler name. Wilden Darmawan. Has he got a Wikipedia? He's got his own music.

[B]

I guess it's this guy.

[A]

They must be friends or something. I thought he wrote it. Writers David, Pull up David Burke. How did it take two people to write that shitty fucking song? That's the real question. That's the real mystery here. Foreign this episode of the DTFH is brought to you by True Classic Tees. The guys at True Classic started with a simple mission to bring premium comfortable clothing to the masses. Because looking and feeling great shouldn't come with a designer price tag. And clearly people agree. People vote with their dollars. And True Classic has sold over 25 million shirts to more than 5 million customers, racking up over 200,000 five star reviews. This brand isn't just about fabric or fit. It's about helping guys show up every day with confidence and purpose. Let me just say this. My incredible wife, she went to Costco. You know what she came back with? 3 stacks of true Classic T shirts. And that's all I wear. Not ashamed to admit it. I know I'm wearing a beautiful chicken shirt right now, but this is an anomaly. I just grab one of the perfect shirts. These are perfect T shirts. There's a lot of bullshit T shirt people out there selling you, selling you garbage. This is your body temple, your sacred space that your soul resides in. If you're not wearing a beautiful Chicken shirt. You should be wearing a True Classic tee. You can find them on Amazon, Target, Costco, Sam's Club, or head to trueclassic.com duncan to try them out for your. That guy didn't write it. Did that guy write it? What.

[B]

What was the song called again?

[A]

You guys, what was the song called? Oh, Adam is saying the song got released in July 2022, well before the girl went missing. Thank you, Adam. Still look up David Burke. How the fuck did it take two people to write that song? Not trying to be a dick, but it didn't. There you go. David Anthony Burke, known professionally. Oh, he wrote it. Of course, his name isn't Deforvit, but he did write it with that other dude, Wilhelm. Go back to that song. I need to analyze this for a second. Try to imagine how that took two people to write. Are there any songwriters in the audience here? Could somebody explain this to me?

[B]

Well, maybe. Maybe one of them just went, ooh, you know, and then he's just like, hey, I want credit for that.

[A]

Ooh, of course. That's what happened. They were just stoned and he started writing this dumb song. It really is a dumb song, but when you hear it, it sounds pretty good. It's not bad. I was actually not liking that. I liked it, you know, because he's like a murderer. A fucking PDF murderer.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But yeah, it's like, what do you. Are you like. This is clearly like an old person not knowing what's popular anymore, but it's. Did you. Have you. Had you guys heard of him before? Chat? Have you guys heard of him? Is this like a. I don't know if there's. How many youngs are in the chat, but are you aware of this guy? No. Says spin out. Never says crunkle. So no one even fucking heard of this guy until he was accused of murder? Not till now. No idea. Now I'm 33 and. No, didn't even hear of him until the body. What the fuck? No one even heard of him. Oh, he's in the streamer universe. Oh, okay. Constrobus says yes, I have never heard of him. Mostly never heard of him. Stephen E says, I recused myself due to age. Self banned 5 minutes. I don't know what it means, but it's creepy. The fuck? What do you mean you're what? What'd you do, Steven? What songs have you written? It's a younger gen thing. Dee La Foulette says microculture stuff is wild. It is, isn't it? Isn't it wild? Microculture is so weird. These little mini petri dishes full of so many odd dramas, controversies. It's wild. I mean, you know, I'm, I'm. I guess you could argue that I happen to be in one of these fucking things. I'll read something to you. Let me see if I can find it. I just, I feel like I should say this. Like I, you know, there was a time years ago where a Christian would like every once in a while send me these. They were listening to my podcast and they would send me these emails, really long emails, trying to convert me to Christianity. And I'd read them. I was interested. It was just. It seemed fascinating someone was spending that much time sending me emails is curious. But, you know, at the time I'm just like, oh, whatever. Didn't move the needle at all. But I just feel like I need to say this. Nothing has pushed me in the direction of Christianity more than messages like the one I'm about to read to you that I've been getting. I just got to read this to you. Like, whoever wrote this, I just want you to know that you have succeeded where many have failed. Like, really find this on my subreddit, which it just won the most positive happy subreddit on Reddit award. So thank you for that, whoever voted for that heartbreak and disappointment. Someone wrote, like, someone wrote this. I just think I feel like I need to, like a person sat down and wrote this. With everything going on, I thought to myself I had to listen to Duncan for some support, some uplifting messages, just to be seen. He's always been a comfort in that way. I haven't listened to his pod in maybe a year or so. I jumped in today and got the EGY episode. Don't know which one that was. EGY episode. What episode is that? Josh egy. Oh, elephant graveyard. And got the elephant graveyard episode and was disgusted. Who was that? How has he gotten to be a Christian? Dick Rider. I'm so saddened and never thought we would be here. Maybe we missed signs. Maybe it's totally out of the blue. Just glad I'm not the only one feeling this way. I don't even know the whole situation, but I know enough what the fuck that is. The cr. Someone wrote that. Like somebody went on that episode where I was talking about John the Baptist. I believe partially because I had just been to a mass where they were talking about John the Baptist, but also just I knew like people who were influxing from that dystopian doomer subreddit would be really like the Last thing they'd want to hear about is anything Christian. But the idea, maybe you're in the chat right now, that you would take time out of your day to say you. I get heartbreak and disappointment. Maybe you believe the horseshit about me being compromised. Okay, fine. You know, if I really enjoyed somebody and I thought that they were compromised by oligarchs, it would bother me. I'm not, by the way. You could see, I don't even want to talk about it anymore. I'm fucking stale now. But the idea that your heart is broken by the possibility that I might be diving into Christianity is so insane to me. So insane. This is not the only post of this nature. And to me, what is really invigorating about it and illuminating about it is that what episode would this be if we put this one up? What is it, 700 plus episodes of this podcast?

[B]

Like, 712.

[A]

713. 712 episodes of this podcast. I've interviewed. Are he Krishnas, Buddhists, Muslims, 1 Muslim, Jews, Satanists, Occultists, and a variety of other people. I can't recall all of them. None of you gave a shit. Nobody cared. Nobody was like, I can't believe Duncan's interviewing the head of the Temple of Satan interview. One bishop, one Catholic bishop. And, like, I've been getting, like. So a lot of like. Like, I think you could call it, like. It's. Is it. Isn't it technically bigotry to, like, attack? Doesn't that make you a bigot if you attack anyone for their religion? Josh isn't.

[B]

No, it doesn't count with Christian, but I mean, technically.

[A]

Let me look up bigot real quick here. Maybe I'm wrong about the definition of bigot. Oh, yeah. A person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. It's literally, at least from this perspective, whoever wrote that is, like, a bigot. You're a bigot. Christian dick writing. Ugh. So gross. Even the way you said it is gross. But that's just one of, like, many weird pushbacks against me talking about Christianity. That has got me seriously thinking, like, maybe I'll become a Catholic just because. How is this thing so potent? How is this thing so powerful that it would upset people in the way that it seems to upset people? Like, why? I know it's not all of you, by the way, but why is it that, like, I could Talk about the Bhagavad Gita. I am the taste in water and the heat and fire. I am the intelligence of the intelligent and the life of all that lives. It's one of my favorite verses from the Gita. You guys love it. Nobody's like, damn, he's doing Hindu dick riding. Why is it that, like, I could chant Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, omone budmiyam. I could do some Om mani pot Ram, Ram, Ram. Why is it that I could do all of those things, but if I start talking about the Christian lineage, it upsets people? Like, I'm confused. Have you ever been to a church? Nothing's going on there that's sinister. Like, it's. Unless, like, be like. It's boring sometimes. I guess that's the most sinister part. I'm just curious. I'm gonna look at the chat now.

[B]

Spin out said and not Christian. Dick rider. Buddhist. Reverse cowgirl.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. What the. Wait. What's reverse cowgirl?

[B]

Oh, it's the best. So instead of. She rides on top, but the opposite way. So it's like a lazy dog doggy style.

[A]

I gotta look it up. I don't have that kind of brain, man. I can't picture. Hold on. Reverse cowgirl.

[B]

Yeah. They're riding you, but just turn the other way.

[A]

Oh, that looks amazing. Yeah, I know. I know what you're talking about. You get to look at their ass. Mm.

[B]

And then they look down, and then they see, like, your feet or they look further down. It looks like they have balls because they're facing the other way and they just see your balls, you know?

[A]

Cool. Yeah. Ball in my case, unfortunately, but. Wow. Okay, let's see. Reverse cowgirl sex position. In this position, one partner sits on top of the other, facing away from them. The person on top does most of the moving and has most of the control. Yeah.

[B]

And then if they're flexible, they can do reverse chandelier, which just means it's reverse cowgirl. But then they're, like, bent backwards.

[A]

Who names these?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Is there a naming convention? Is there some kind of group of people that meet every year to go over?

[B]

I think it's just intuitive, and we all just come up with it together.

[A]

No, no, it's not intuitive. I would never think of reverse cowgirl if someone was doing that to me. I would just be thinking like, God, I feel bad for them having to stay there at my feet.

[B]

They don't do it to you. They do it for you.

[A]

Okay. You don't have to get all fucking sensitive on me. It would be for me. Yeah, obviously. But I would be. I would want to pull the covers over my feet. I need to go to. I gotta get my feet worked on. They're not doing good. Dude. I've got old man feet.

[B]

And like, the ultimate reverse cowgirls. They put a lasso around your feet and right when you come, they pull.

[A]

Back on your feet. What does that do?

[B]

It straightens out your feet like that, so you're locked in position and you can't go nowhere.

[A]

How do you know this?

[B]

I do a lot of podcasts. Yeah.

[A]

Have you ever had someone do that to you?

[B]

The rope thing? No. Reverse cowgirl. Yes. It's my. That's my favorite by far.

[A]

So with the rope thing, let's talk about that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's that gonna do again?

[B]

So right when you nut they lasso, they rope your feet together and pull back.

[A]

They have to fucking know how to use a lasso.

[B]

Oh, they're a real cowgirl.

[A]

Yeah, but they're not. Josh. This is a lady just riding you.

[B]

Texas. There's a lot of cowgirls in Texas. Texas.

[A]

You don't ride cows.

[B]

Yeah, well, they do in the. In the rodeo.

[A]

They.

[B]

They. They ride cows sometimes and bulls.

[A]

And isn't it more like reverse cowboy?

[B]

No, reverse cowboy is. Well, they do do that, but that's a different.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. So let's get back to the. What I missed. I'm sorry, I got distracted by this. Incredible. I'm going to go pull up the chat here. I really mean it. Like, I'm legitimately, like, confused, and it takes a lot to really like for me to be, like, genuinely, like, perplexed in this way. Let me look it up here. Let's see if anybody has anything wants to weigh in. Desert dweller. I'm assuming Sarca. Don't go down the Christian rabbit hole, man. You'll start realizing that Christ is king and e in an evil. Like.

[B]

I like Devin Brown's. Devin Brown said reverse cowboy involves three to four balls.

[A]

I love that we're having a split conversation about reverse cowgirl. And the persecution of Christians is a fashion attitude.

[B]

Oh, Julian gave you 20.

[A]

Jesus Christ, Julian, why'd you do that? Okay, I'm going to jump to that. Because we live in capitalism, Julian McKinney says, Duncan, should we manage our empathy? It seems easier to get angry or numb than to empathize, because feeling the pain of what someone is experiencing can be so overwhelming. How do we protect ourselves when being empathetic? Oh man. You know that I think you already in your question is what I think is the answer. Because you've identified why people don't do that. There's a sense of vulnerability when you do that. It fucks the game up significantly. And by game I mean the game of being right. Because you want to. Basically. There's a sense that there's you and there's other people. And though maybe you have some general low level apprehension that these people probably are experiencing reality in the way you are, they probably have the same general desire to be happy that you have. They probably have moms that love them and were adorable little babies and deserve happiness in the same way you deserve happiness. In other words, they're human, but they're dicks. The shit that they're doing is just fucked up and you can't believe it. You can't fucking believe it. These are like legitimate, like high level assholes. And so once you have decided this person's an asshole, then you can now successfully execute some kind of vengeance on them. Whether it's just simple, petty, like humiliating them by exposing them as being complete dipshits or some kind of long term campaign or whatever it may be. But the moment you look into their eyes and look past the story that you are both probably living in and realize that like, number one, they think you're an asshole, man. They see you in the same light and you know you're not an asshole. Are you perfect? No. But are you an asshole? Come on. I'm not an asshole. But they think you are. Because they're just projecting onto you. They don't know. The main thing is many people seem to be a mystery unto themselves. They surprise themselves, they do things and they're like, I don't know why I did that. Ask any kid, why'd you do that? And they'll be like, I, I don't know. I don't know. And they don't. They just did. Continues on through our whole lives. That's why we have therapists, therapy. So if they, if we can't really fully know ourselves in any kind of real way, how the fuck could you know if someone's actually an asshole? You're just going off a very tiny bit of data based on some shit they did, which probably sucked. Maybe they were tired. Maybe their mom just died in a car accident. Maybe they just got some bad news. Maybe they've got some kind of like neurodivergent shit going on. Maybe they had low blood sugar, High blood sugar, not to say. Therefore it's okay to do shitty things. But when you start just doing the basic mind analysis, all of a sudden your case for being a complete motherfucker to these people, it becomes weakened to the point where if you can drop the story altogether and realize that there's so many people that love this person, there's so many people that get happy when this person calls them. There might be kids that just cheer with joy when this person comes home. This person's gonna be an old person at some point. Person's gonna be laying in a hospital bed or a nursing home or a hospice. The sound of the oxygen going, be sad. People around this person, People are gonna cry. And this person at some point had a mom who picked them up when they fell and kissed their face and said, I love you. It's okay. Once you start doing that, it's like, man, now I can't like stick my finger out the window and say, you piece of. What the fuck is it? Drive like an all day you. Because that suddenly the person gains all of these dimensions to them. They aren't asshole dimensions, human dimensions. And so then now you're vulnerable because the idea, it's like very Old Testament. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. If I don't defend myself against the asshole in some way, shape or form, then the asshole will continue to assault me. Therefore, I must teach them, don't fuck with me, man. I mean, it's like, it's how we justify the military industrial complex, you know, like, what is it they always say? Peace through strength. So that's a lot of people live their life like that. And how are you gonna like do a war if the whole time you're like, you're never gonna hear? At any military training facility, soldiers remember, the people whose brains you're blowing out were once beautiful babies. The people who you're murdering. Many of them have children. The people that you will kill out there are going to have weeping mothers, sisters, brothers and friends once they hear the news. The people that you are going to kill, many of them don't even want to be in the war, but were conscripted. You won't hear that because you can't do a war that way. It doesn't work. You have to completely dehumanize the other side. And so as above, so below, if you want to successfully justify your aggression, you're not going to get there through empathy. You're going to get there through the opposite of empathy, othering a mistake. Essentially, this person is barely even a person. They're A walking fucking mistake. Yeah, or they got there because they deserve to be there. And I'm just gonna. I'm helping, I'm helping the world in some way by hurting them. Maybe they won't hurt someone now. You know, whatever you're using, usually it's not so extreme. Usually you're just getting some kind of grim satisfaction. Like if you've ever scratched an infection, you know, ever fucked around with an infection that's itchy, feels good in this fucked up way, you know, you shouldn't do it, but it's kind of a good feeling, but you know, it's making it worse. It's like that. It's not a good feeling. So the question is, should we like manage that? If you're at a place where you need to manage your empathy, I think you're doing great. I think most of us don't have that as a problem. I think most of us are not like, oh my God, what am I going to do with all of this universal compassion and empathy? I think most of us have to do mental backflips to jump out of the mind prison into the heart. Because the heart just loves. And that is annoying these days especially. So you have to find a way to universalize everybody. I love Ram Dass's breakdown of these different channels that we live in. So you've got the geopolitical cultural channel that a lot of us are very tuned into right now. And that's just one channel. Flip it. And then suddenly it's like it's a group of sentient, bipedal, wingless hominids living on a planet together, just trying to. Trying to harmonize in some way, trying to be happy, trying to have food in their belly and a roof over there. Nobody deserves any really bad thing to happen to them any more than you do. Now that's a weird channel to land on because these days everybody's just begging you to other some section of society. And so then, you know, you stumble upon Christianity and it's. It's crazy what it's telling you to do. Then suddenly like, you stop looking at people like people who are being fucked up. You look at them as like people who just need help and God sent them to you so that you could help them. What the fuck? That is crazy. Give them. What is that? Let me look up this Bible. Maybe somebody in the chat can help me find this. But there's one of the verses, I don't know where it's from. It's in the gospels, but it's like, you know, love your enemy. Like, yeah, you love your family. So what? Snakes love their fucking family. She's just an animal. Nothing that special about it. But what happens when you universalize love? It's crazy. That is a crazy thing. Crazy that that makes people mad. Like, that kind of message upsets people. It's just really gives me exorcist vibes, dude. Like, why would that upset you? It's maybe, I mean, it's a little unrealistic. It's a little bit like when I was in like gym class in the third grade and was fat and the gym teacher wanted me to do a pull up that he might as well have been asking me to like do a triple backflip.

[B]

Matthew, chapter 5, verse 44.

[A]

Okay, let me look it up. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Where's the one about the animals?

[B]

He had another super chat.

[A]

I hope that helped answer your question to some degree. Cole Klassner. Thank you for the donation. As someone who lives in Indiana, I was rebellious against Christianity when I found Buddhism and Hinduism. But I quickly outgrew that when I realized there's a lot to learn from it. See you this weekend. It's going to be fun. Look, you know, that's the other thing about it is, you know, I've heard this from more than just like Ram Dass, but from people who were in India and met Neem Karoli Baba Ram Dass guru. And he would always talk about Jesus. They said he talked about Jesus more than he talked about Hahnemann or Hindu symbols. He was always talking about Jesus to the Westerners because he knew that, like, that's what the culture that they'd come up in. And he was totally comfortable using Christian symbols to articulate the transcendent message. So it's like, I guess it's like, it's cool if it comes from the other side of the planet or something, but if it's coming from like some local church, it's irrelevant at that point. It's just, look, let's face it, it's not as sexy. It's not. It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's a. It's not as cool. I get that malabeats are awesome. Nothing I've ever seen is more beautiful and entrancing than watching devotees do puja in front of deities at a Hare Krishna temple, blowing conch shells and incense burning. And it's fucking wildly beautiful. Support for today's episode comes From Square. The system powering like half the places I go look. It's incredible. You know, I feel relief when I see one of those squares. I do. Because it means I can use my phone because I'm an idiot. I lose my wallet all the time. You can use your credit cards and the thing, but you can also just tap your phone and it works every time. It's incredible technology. I feel like a lot of us take it for granted. 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If you're starting a business or running one that deserves better tools, Square helps you sell, manage and grow without slowing down. Right now you can get up to $200 off Square Hardware at square.com go duncan. That's S Q U-A R E.com SL go duncan. Run your business smarter with Square. Get started today. But like I don't know, like I wasn't raised studying like Jatanya Mahaprabhu or the various aspects of the Hare Krishnas or reading the Vedas or Ramayana or any of that stuff. So a lot of the stuff I'm looking at, I don't know what it is other than it's pretty. There's peacock feathers which I think they accept. That's fine. They will say it's okay. But with Christianity many it seems like it connects to some degree with like us then maybe some of that other stuff does. It's more accessible and to me the again like where I've really like where a lot of like the and it hasn't been. It's not like I'm getting like assuaged with anti Christian bigotry But I've gotten enough that it's given me, like, a sense of like, whoa, there must be something real here. I gotta get into this because nobody was doing that when I was, like, chanting Hare Krishna all the time. And that's something fascinating to me. I don't know what that is. It's cool. I've been hanging out with these Catholics. They're awesome. Like, they're just sweet. Nobody's doing anything. Nothing. There doesn't. There's not, like, a sense of anything other than just, they're nice. They're not. I mean, I guess you're not getting love bombed, you know, which. Which can happen in some, like, cults and stuff. There isn't love bombing. There just seems to be a general humanist sort of approach to existence that I. Tolkien study. Thank you so much. Duncan, what's the funniest memory you have of Brent Weinbach? Did you see he interviewed me? I didn't see that. Tolkien study. Loyal purple pope. Well, you know one thing about Brent, he's a great piano player. I don't know if you knew that or not. I don't know if people know that about him, but I can remember seeing him just sit down in front of a piano and just like, he's very talented. Oh, thank you for asking me this. I'm glad we're addressing many of these allegations that are being thrown my way, says Duncan. How do you answer to the allegations saying you can't whistle? Another vile attack. Another vile attack. Truly, I just. It is something astounding, folks. It really is. It's astounding that just out of the blue, a mob of people have gathered around my digital doorstep with their torches, a waving, saying things to me like, I can't wish. I can whistle. I'm a wonderful whistler. I love to whistle. I whistle in the shower. Sometimes I whistle in the morning when I wake up to greet the day. And I whistle before I go to bed, just like any man in America should do. It's a masculine thing to whistle. In my gym, you see power lifters, and they're always whistling as they lift those weights. It's a masculine thing. John Wayne was an incredible whistler. Winston Churchill whistled. It's a sign of virility. It's a sign of power. It's a sign you're an alpha. And the number one way I can tell if someone is a beta is they can't whistle. So when people tell me I can't wishl they're calling me a beta cuck. And I can whistle. I love to whistle. I love pursing my lips, blowing air out. And hearing that sweet whistle emerge from my lips fills me with joy, and it fills the people around me with joy. Because in this world, I do believe people want to help, and they just don't know how. And if you want to make a group of people happy, whether you're on an elevator, a subway, going up some stairs, whether you're in the back of your Uber, if. If you really want to thank your Uber driver, don't tip them with money. Tip them with a whistle. Whistle through the whole ride. They love it. That's what I do every time. Every time I say to them, I'm going to give you something more valuable than those rectangular bits of paper covered in Masonic symbology. I'm going to whistle to you so I can whistle. I'm just leaving at that.

[B]

People said they heard a lot of talking, but no whistling.

[A]

So I guess that's what you want. You want me to whistle on demand. And that's the other thing that this mob has been. That's another thing this mob has been doing. They want me to say this or that. They want me to whistle. They want me to whistle. They want to make. That's what they want. It's mind control. It's a mind control program, folks. By making the allegation that I can't whistle, they think they can manipulate me into whistling publicly. And I have whistled. Go back through the podcast. I'm sure you can find many an episode where I only whistled, where I whistled and whistled and whistled. And I will whistle this afternoon. I'll whistle when the cameras go off. You've heard me whistle, right, Josh?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Say it a little more convincingly. You've heard me whistle.

[B]

I've heard you whistle.

[A]

Why are you smiling when you say it? I've whistled in front of Josh. I love to whistle for him.

[B]

Because you were twerking at the same time. It was very weird.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

You whistle while you twerk.

[A]

That's some. That's. That's exactly right. I wish a while at twerk. And I love the sound of my own whistle, but I'm not gonna lift some. I'm not gonna let the mob force me into whistling. I'm not gonna go down that path. The moment you. The moment that you get bullied into whistling is the moment you are no longer a man. My dad used to tell me that. I don't tell you how many times in the schoolyard, a bunch of young roughs Would gather around me. Whistle. Whistle. You can't whistle. Whistle. And I knew if I did it, if I succumbed to their aggression, if I compromised, I would bring infamy upon my family. I would. I might as well go to every single one of my ancestors graves and take a big hot shit right on the headstones. It's not easy unless they're the flat edgestones. Getting perching on the top is hard. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna whistle for it just because you're trying to bully me into which I can whistle. And I love to whistle.

[B]

We had two more super chats.

[A]

Wow. Thanks, y'. All. This is amazing. Thank you so much. Even in thank you. I don't know how to say that because it looks like your name is in. What is that, Sanskrit? It's not Sanskrit. What is that? What does it say?

[B]

Mandarin? I don't know.

[A]

Even in secret, ego persists. Every good deed bears its stain. Can we even act without it? Oh, Izumi. Can we ever act without it? Or is pure selflessness impossible? Oh, I think about that all the time. I mean, you know, this is sort of like. I think one of the sort of tenets of Christianity that people rail against is the concept of original sin. People don't like that. I don't want to hear that. People don't want to hear they're sinful. People don't want to hear that because it's like, it does feel really like kind of like Salem witch trials shit, you know, like purge yourself of your sin. But I don't think that's what it's talking about at all. I think it's sort of an acknowledgment. Maybe it's somewhere similar to like Dukkha and Buddhism. Suffering. The truth of suffering. And so the idea is that like, you know, C.S. lewis is like. He writes about this a lot, which is there's a general sense at least. And I've thought about it because like, I go back and forth on CS Lewis actually. But there's a general sense at a planetary level of right and wrong. And that his point being that like, there is this sort of spiritual component to how to live. It's built into us. There seems to be this built into us idea of like, what trajectory is going to bring you into a brighter kind of life. And so when you're lost, which is incredibly easy to do in the world, the world, like, holy fuck. It's designed to make you confused, to get you lost. I mean, Jesus going online is just like A hotbed of temptation porn. You want to jerk off. You want to like, you know, like, stare at like, people fucking. And like, you want to like, there's so many like, little acts that are generally insignificant, but over time they start creating this trajectory in your life. And that trajectory, it gets you further and further away from the light. And the light, when you're really out there in the darkness, the light, it doesn't even seem like light anymore. It seems like boring. You have this idea in your head of what the kind of life that, that would look like if you started living according to some kind of spiritual principles. And it sounds absolutely dull, just fucked up. It sounds like you would turn yourself into a bonsai tree. What do you mean I can't do that? I mean that's, I wanted that. So you just end up not realizing that a lot of the sort of repetitive negative habits you have are not even making you happy anymore. They're not doing anything for you even. And so you just get further and further down the rabbit hole, darker and darker. And so then when you start realizing, like, I don't like the way I feel right now. This isn't how I want to be. I don't want to be perpetually bitter, angry, addicted. I don't like this. This feels like at some point it just stops. It stops being fun, it starts getting creepy. But because you've been going down that path, you're surrounded by people who are celebrating in one way, shape or form. Being bitter, being judgmental, being angry, being vengeful. And so you don't even have anyone to talk to. You can't even bring some of this stuff up with your friends. They'll think you're a fucking uncool normie. And so you start feeling isolated, kind of, and alone. You don't know what to do. And then you start looking into some of these things and questions like what you ask will emerge. You want to be selfless, like, that's for sure. I would love to help without my ego being involved. It's cool. I mean, that would be a beautiful thing. But it's easy to take that and use it as an excuse to not even try. Even if I try to do some altruistic good thing, it's really self serving. I want people to think I'm good. I'm not doing it for any real principle approach. I'm doing it because I want to look good to people or to myself. I want to be proud. And so what? Just do it for that. Do it for any reason. It doesn't matter. I think if you just start off making little changes in the opposite direction of the shadows, even if you're making those changes for ulterior motives, the more you do that, the more you start getting little glimpses of this other possible way to live. Another possible way that is the opposite of what you thought it would be. It isn't boring. It isn't dead, it isn't stagnant, it isn't empty. It isn't a waste of time. It isn't subjugating yourself to some kind of tyrannical authoritarian priest class. It isn't anything you thought it was. That's the coolest thing. And you want. It's like, oh my God, forgive me Christians out there for making a Burning man comparison. But Burning man, like people have no idea what it's like. You will not know what it's like until you go there. You just won't know. And it is like you've seen videos of it, I'm sure. And you're like, I'm not going to that. That looks like hell. I don't want to go there. I don't want to fucking ecstatic dance and fuck your shaman or whatever it is. You think about it. Bunch of influencers flopping around with fucking desert wear. Scantily clad influencers with hot desert tops on. Some people don't want that. Cheesy. Then you get there and it's like, what the fuck Is this the opposite of what you thought? Or maybe not. It just depends on where you land at. Black Rock City. You never know. But you realize like, if any of these like things and like Christianity, if you just like do your own research and just get it, go check it out. You're like, wait, what's going. Why does everyone hate this? It's wild. You're like, it's surrounded by like a cloud of like distortions that people are putting out there about it. Like a force field or something. And that is fascinating to me. Some kind of bizarre force field that really would prevent anyone who had any kind of like desire to be okay from going to it. Like, why would you want to go get manipulated by some kind of hypnotic money hungry priests? And then you get there and you realize like, oh, wow, it's just not like that at all. It doesn't seem to be like that at all. A lot of things are like that out there, by the way. A lot of things. Hmm. Woven the weird. You warned jre openness to conversation might be hijacked by dark forces. I fear he Became a useful idiot for propaganda. But I won't demonize him. You just did. You paid $5 to demonize him. Oh, God, if I could go back in time and not do that. Warning. You just have to understand something, ma'.

[B]

Am.

[A]

Like, you know other things that I like, implied on jre, that for whatever reason don't get the exposure that that one does. Like, I think I. I don't know how many times I kind of like, are you sure? Not in the CIA? That was just fun, Stone. Just fun. And that conversation that I had with him, it definitely gets turned into like, he was talking about the right wing people of the world. It's like, I just had this great podcast with Doug Rushkoff. You should listen to it. It's really, really good. We talked about it a little bit, but the, like, the number one, I do not think that my prophecy came true. I don't think. I don't think that I talked. I've talked to him all the time. I'm friends with him. Like, you guys have, like, gotten sucked in to a kind of distorted reality. It's not real. It isn't. The argument being, well, he's had this person or that platform. This person or that person. I just talked about this with Rushkoff, dude. Of course. Why wouldn't you? I would. That's what I told Rushkoff. We're comedians and we're curious people and we want to talk to like, being around, like, whoever it may be, whether they're some kind of oligarch, a president, whatever it may be, a UFO whistleblower, you better fucking believe. I want to talk to everybody. As far as whatever his politics may be, that's his business. What the fuck? That's part of being in America. You get that? You get to fucking vote any way you want to vote. And what. It's. It's our right. It's like, therefore he's been compromised is just. If that's the case, then we've all been compromised. I'm sorry. Every single one of us, Every single one of us has had some kind of propaganda injected into our fucking brains by some political organization. By the ccp, by who knows who the fuck. Our brains are just filled like we've been drinking swamp water with all kinds of memetic parasitic forces. Every single one of us, yours especially. If you're asking that, you're asking that because you, you, you saw the elephant graveyard thing or this or that. It must be true. Is it real? We've got to just drop this fucking, like, story. It's a story. It's not real. It's a scary world you're living in. I've lived there. It's called eating too much weed. I get paranoid. I thought a meteor was gonna hit the earth when Covid happened. I swear to you I thought that. I thought the whole thing was a cover up. They were getting us indoors or something. I don't know. I just went on some conspiracy thread, read a fairly convincing thing about it and potential meteor impact, and I fucking bought it. And the world you're living in is scary. Are people in the world political? Yes, I'm political. You can't not be political if you live in the United States. We vote. We vote and we get to vote for whoever the fuck we want to vote for. It's great. I don't care who the fuck you voted for. Truly, I don't care. That's the main thing. That's what Rushkoff was talking about. It's like when you're like when there's a flood and you're helping, like use buckets to get water out of somebody's fucking house. You're not looking at the person and wondering who they voted for. You just become part of humanity, helping. And you really have to ask yourself, holy shit, have I been compromised? That's where you should start. Have you been infiltrated by dark forces? Ask yourself that. Not just like, don't just immediately reject it either. Really ask yourself that. And I would argue that if you are living in a world that has been broken into a political binary, you're living in a world informed by shit that you've absorbed through, like YouTube videos or Fox or CNN or MSNBC or whatever it is. If you're living in a world where that has taken up your consciousness to the point that you would pay $5 to ask me that question, then more than likely you have. Your online hygiene isn't that good. You've been doing reverse cowgirl with the Internet and you haven't been wearing protection. The Internet has been looking down at your balls. I don't know if you have balls or not, but for now, pretend you do. As the Internet has ridden you like a horse. It's riding you around right now. I think we've all been compromised, every single one of us. Maybe there's no way to not be. I mean, just think about it. Like, our brains aren't equipped to be assailed by a combination of state propaganda, other countries propaganda, the propaganda of a variety of like, God knows what, with varying reasons for sending that propaganda. Out, like, it's probably impossible to go online and not get some little bit of propaganda injected into you, you know? So you should always ask yourself that, have I been compromised? And maybe you should ask yourself, take it to another level. Go meta with it, man. Go meta with it. And ask yourself if you have been reducing the entire planet into two groups with antithetical political ideologies. Nobody's really like that. It's just not like that. Listen to the Rushkoff episode. It was good for me to chat with him. And I think it will help exorcise some of the demons that might have nested in your consciousness. Because it's not helping anybody, man. That fucked up lens people are looking at the world through is like, it's not helping. It's just, if anything, it's just like summoning the very demonic forces that you're terrified of. Hope that helped. Thanks, Rich. This, these are so fun. I, I, I told Josh I want to cut it short, but then I never want to end it. I'm sorry, Josh.

[B]

No, you're good. I think people are, they can't empathize because they're so detached. And I had a perfect example of it last night when I went to the grocery store.

[A]

What happened?

[B]

And I bought stamps. And after with my groceries and the girl couldn't get the stamps out, so she had to call management. And management took like three, four minutes to get there. And she's coming up and she looks flustered and she's like, I'm sorry my dad died. And yeah, she just blurts it out. And the person checking me out just like, okay, but like, blank look on her face. Lady behind me, no reaction. I'm just standing there like. And then she gets the stamp. She's like this, I get the stamps. And she goes, here you go, sir. I was like, I'm sorry about your dad. And she goes, okay, have a great day. And then walked off. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? Is, Did I not, did I not hear you right?

[A]

Oh my.

[B]

You just said your dad died and nobody. And then when I showed any type of empathy, she looked at me like, whatever, here you go. Like, just not there.

[A]

We're just, we're, this is what happens when our, our amygdalas have been getting milked by the fucking edged and milked. Edged and milked by the Internet, man. We're just, we're just filled up with so much cortisol and adrenaline right now. We're all in survival mode. People are really just locked down Right now, man. And that's what that was. That's horrifying. Poor woman. It's horrifying. Yeah, you're right, man. People are numbed out. Squarespace is the all in one website platform designed to help you stand out and succeed online. Whether you're just starting out or scaling your business. Squarespace gives you everything you need to claim your domain, showcase your offerings with a professional website. Grow your band, not band brand. Grow your br. Grow your brand or your band technically, if you have your band, needs a website and get paid all in one place. Listen, I use Squarespace. I love Squarespace. I've used Squarespace throughout the years. It only gets better and better. I've been able to whip up really nice looking websites in like less than an hour. It's just high tech and amazing and it works. They've even got AI. So if you want to work with an AI to build your website, you can do that. Now if you've been kicking the can down the road, if you know you're supposed to have a website by now and you don't want to do it because you feel like there's going to be a lot of complexity and rigmarole, maybe you'll have to hire somebody, at least try Squarespace out. It just works. They also help you send out mass emails if you want to. They help you sell stuff online. You can create members only areas if you want a paywall that your dearest fans can hang out with you, see you in the flesh, or whatever it is you want to do with your fans, you could do that through Squarespace. Head to squarespace.com duncan for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use offer code Duncan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Again, it's squarespace.com duncan for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use offer go Duncan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Ride this little horsey around the yard and you're going to want to take that stallion home. Thank you, Squarespace.

[B]

You had another super chat here.

[A]

Jesus, y'. All. You guys making me rich. Sus Rando says it's true. I compromised for something. I compromised for about at a weekend, then realized how gross it was to potentially turn on someone after years. Oh, turn on someone after years because of a YouTube video. I mean, you know where I've been trying to find compassion for like the people who've been coming at me is I just think, all right, well, it's not true, but they think it's true. And so, you know, there's, I guess, like some kind of humanist motive behind it or something. But it's definitely been a wonderful. It's been very illuminating. Honestly. It's been really great. It's definitely, like, helped me understand how distorted and how easy it is, how distorted data is that's out there and how easy it is to distort data. And that's like. And it's really got me thinking about so many different conspiracies that I've found myself scratching my chin about and thinking could be true. And now I'm just like, I don't know. I don't know. It's just so easy to warp things.

[B]

Sunshine wants to know what color is your toothbrush?

[A]

All right, so what we have here, folks, is just some more blowback from that video. Sunshine is asking what color my toothbrush is because there have been allegations in a different video that I do not brush my teeth. And so this is just another low blow. The color of my toothbrush is bright, vivid rose petal pink. And it vibrates. What now? What now, Sunshine? You guys are so fun. Construbuzz wants to know what's with Duncan's vocal fry self ban. Five minutes. Five minutes, self band. I do not have vocal fry. I have beautiful voice. Resonant voice. Deep and resonant.

[B]

Oh, no. Now they're calling you a pink brusher.

[A]

Here we go, folks. Welcome to the mob. They're in here, folks. There they are. Thanks. Elephant graveyard. Look what I got. Now they're calling me a pink brusher with shoey eyes. Devin Brown says I'm going to project my soul tonight to tickle and kiss everyone's feet in the astral world till we all feel better. Devin, you know what, man? I don't know if that's gonna make everybody feel better. Some people would like it, but I don't have no if I. I don't know if I want an astral entity sucking my toes. Go for it, though. You can try Alfredo. Cruz is saying I should try Warframe. Free to play game with space ninjas in it. No, Alfredo, I'm afraid I'm lost in the Silksong world right now. I'm trapped. Horrifically trapped. If any of you guys been playing this incredible game. Oh, my God. Finally got into act two. Hard. So hard. Merciless, brutal. It eats you alive. It's vicious. The people who made it are fucking mean on purpose. Team Cherry, they're trying to Hurt you. It's like death metal. They want to hurt you. They want. They don't want you to win. They. They're just like, yeah, you just won't. You won't get past this act unless you just devote an insanely satanic amount of time in learning how to beat this boss. I don't know what that means. I'm not going to say it. Adam. Dev. Not going to say that. That could be something to activate a sleeper cell. You think I should stream it? I've thought about that, but it's like I'm not going to stream in the way. I don't like having public sex. You know, like some. Some people like to in dressing rooms and I hate that. I hate it. People like to. With the windows open in hotels. I don't like that. Does not give me a charge at all. And like playing Hollow Silk song publicly just feels like, dirty. It feels just so gross to me and I don't think I'm going to be able to enjoy it. Uh oh. Benevolent is saying, Charles Manson is everyone. He's the air, the trees, the green things that give us air. He's the bottom of the ocean and the highest of the sky. He's nothing and everything and in between. Well, he ain't nothing at all. Everything. I'll be a monster. You want me to be. You want me to be the monster. I don't. Your children. I didn't do nothing to your children. You taught your children war. You taught your children violence. You taught your children to be afraid. You taught your children there was a devil. You're the one who made the devil. I'm not the devil devil. But if you want me to do that, I could blink and everybody be dead. Well, folks, Tolkien study. I don't do a great Manson. Thank you, though. I. I tried. You know, he's got that Southern. He's got this kind of Southern. I can't do it, but I mean, I can kind of like emulate his. Like the theme. No, I have not heard Tetra Yadra by Tyler Childers, but I'll look it up. Oh, there you go. Double starships. Defend the weak and the fatherless. Uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. Psalms 82. 3. I am heartbroken that Duncan is riding Jesus. Dick, why is Duncan talking about Jesus? Defend the weak and the fatherless. Uphold the cost of the poor and the oppressed. What the fuck? How is that bad? How is that upsetting any of you? I mean, it doesn't sound easy. And there's A lot of them out there, but it's least there isn't a. Somebody's trying to get that shit out there. Cole Klezner. There's enough Jesus dick for everybody. Thank you. You should. You should start a church. I don't care how many times you guys say that, I'm not going to say it. NASA, Jim. Never heard of him. Stephen E. I love catamari. It's quite fun. Austin Innis wants to know. I'm an old lady Asian farmer and I'm wondering if you like grapes. Some kind of trap. I'm not answering. Seven. Seven wants to. 77 wants to ride my Lambo. No way. I only let my ladies ride with me and my children. I have kids. I have child seats in my Lamborghini. Rich says want to piss people off. Talk about cryptocurrencies. Josh is an expert. I don't know too much about it. I have Pepe coin.

[B]

That's not a good thing to say, though, because Pepe is a racist meme, so.

[A]

No, it's not. The frog.

[B]

Yeah, that's what people say, that Pepe is a racist meme.

[A]

I interviewed the creator of Pepe the Frog.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. He's a sweetheart. Jason is saying the Bible is missing. Books that talk about reincarnation. I've heard that. Wouldn't surprise me. Okay, I'm going to do one more of these. I got to get out of here. A while ago, my wife and I listened to your podcast about the rivers, the rivers of blood, during the delivery of your child. And I was expecting far more blood than was actually. Okay, if I said rivers of blood, I could have been being a little hyperbolic. Okay. It just sounds good. Rivers of blood. Give me a chance to say rivers of blood. I'm gonna say it, but there is. It's not a river. I mean, technically, it's not a river. That would be impossible. If my wife exploded a river of blood, then I would assume there's some kind of wormhole inside of her connected to a bloody river bursting out of the dam. Which I guess in this case would be her vagina. Adam Dev is saying. I think this is because I suggested Duncan's wife made the. Oh, the pyramid tapes. Fucking left the one I have for you guys at home. Been so busy, man. I got a good one. I don't care what. Yeah, I think all forms of speculation. If you don't think you should be suspicious that it's coming from the trussells, I would. I would be suspicious. You should be. I'm Open for all. All of that, but, yeah, I don't know what the fuck they are. I don't know. And I need to upload the ones I played last time on the. On the subreddit, but I gotta. I gotta get them off that tape. You guys like the tapes, huh? I do too. Freak me out. Release the little hobo tapes. No way. I'm not signal boosting him. Austin, Ennis wants to. I don't want to leave. That's why I'm just answering questions now. I don't even know if we'll upload this as a podcast. Duncan, do you like the Mighty Boosh? Fuck yeah, I do. Are you kidding? So funny. Listen, there's a few things that I feel like are red flags, all right? And when somebody tells me they don't like British comedy, I get weirded out. I'm going to be honest. It doesn't necessarily mean that something's wrong with them. I've met people who don't like it, and they're amazing people, but it's a red flag. To me, it's a red flag because they make some of the best comedy out there. It's incredible. Closest thing we have to it right now is Tim Robinson. Old Greg. I just found out about Old Greg. Way weary. Wants to know if any George Washington Q. You'd have to ask Brendan Walsh about that. I don't know why he hasn't been doing those. I think he was getting a lot of pushback for doing his George Washington Q and A's. These days, you upload anything on the Internet and people take it the wrong way. But he was doing these wonderful Q and A's about George Washington. They were great. I learned so much about George Washington from him. He really loves George Washington. Sus Rando is saying peep show is also hilarious. It's one of my favorite shows. Those guys have another one coming out, apparently some kind of sketch show, which is exciting. Austin saying, I would say British cynicism is what makes the comedy so good. I don't know. It's just its own thing. Like, they're really good. Like, they're so good at playing it straight. They have, you know, it's like, it can. It can. Like, they're really good at, like, just creating, like, incredibly awkward situations and not hamming it up in the midst of those situations. Playing it real. And it's fucking awesome. Brian Lewis wants to know if I've seen Chief Chef. Have I seen Chef? What does that mean? What's that mean, man? Jason Doge wants to know, are we the baddies? I don't know. No. Nobody's a baddie. Why is everybody throwing that around, man? Baddie. We're calling everyone a baddie. No one's a fucking baddie. People are just varying degrees of confused and scared, Saul. Doesn't mean you gotta let them do whatever the fuck they want, by the way. Doesn't mean you gotta let them walk all over you. But just understand, probably if you're dealing with a dick, they're confused and scared. And if you're being a dick, just look back at the last time you were being a dick, you were probably a little scared, a little confused, or tired or hungry. It's not that complex. How much of this shit going on in the world right now is because people are hangry? Have you ever wondered that? How much of this shit is happening just because people are tired and hungry? I bet it's something as simple as that. We had some kind of drone snack delivery system, you know, if we could use Palantir technologies. If we could use. I gotta reach out to Peter Thiel and pitch this to him. We use Palantir technologies. We get everyone to put a wearable device on. Detects blood sugar levels. If your blood sugar gets weird, a Palantir drone will deliver a snack to you, no cost. This is paid for by the federal government. You have to eat it. I wonder how quickly things would just even out in the world. All of a sudden. Everyone would just be nice to each other and. Cool. Troublesooters keeps posting about mescaline. I took mescaline a long time ago. I loved it. When I was in high school, I took mescaline. It was fucking incredible. You know, honestly, you're asking how many wouldn't trust the food? You know, if Palantir delivers food to you on a drone, you probably should get it tested. Maybe I would be. I don't think it would be like Alex Jones level to wonder if. What's in that food? Julian, I'm glad you asked me about Oblivion Remastered. I can't believe you paid $5 to ask me that. Yeah, I played it. I put it on my Steam deck and I was severely disappointed. Not because the game sucks, because the Steam deck can't run it. And for some dumb reason, I thought I would be able to. It runs. It kind of. It's got frame rate drops. And I think at the time I was playing Baldur's Gate 3, and just after playing that, it was hard to connect to that world. And I haven't Played Skyrim in a long time, but I used to watch the mods, like, modded Skyrim. It looks so good now. It's incredible what they've done to that game. Wow. Now everyone's talking about mescaline. I love you guys. Mescaline might be the safest classical psychedelic because it does not share the same 5H2TB agonism like mushrooms or toad venom. You're smart. That's awesome. I just remember it just being very beautiful and having the best night of my life. I'll check it out again. I heard that they, like, fixed it for the Steam deck, so maybe it's good now. Again, I'm just playing silksong nonstop. It's awful. I honestly, yesterday, I thought about breaking my Steam deck with a hammer. I swear to God, I thought about it or throwing it in the toilet because I couldn't believe that I was spending so much time fighting the same boss over and over and over again. I couldn't believe it. I was just like, what's. What? What's wrong with me? I'm a dad. This is inappropriate behavior. Like, this is fucked up. Brian's talking about Chef again. Chef haunts me in my sleep and cooks horrible food. Anyway, I love midnight gospel. Will you see anything new in the future? Well, you never know. But I will say this, Brian Lewis. I'm on a couple of shows right now that you could if you want to. Krapopolis is one of the shows I'm on on Fox. I play Hippocampus. Little fish head dude. And then you might. If there's a show on Netflix called Haunted Hotel, and I play a character called Stabby Paul. And it looks really cool, too. Krapopolis, man. Check it out. It's really got its legs now. Dunphy is saying that Future Duncan created the tapes. I wish I'd brought that fucking tape, man. It's really fucked up. But you guys have to understand, man, I've been, like, grinding lately. My. The. My wife is so pregnant right now. I've just been, like, busy, busy, busy, busy. I like it, though. I like being as busy as I am. But it has been, like, just, like. I've been, like, on, like, using my computer in my car. That's how you know you're fucking busy. It's like when you're dropping kids off or picking them up and you're, like, connecting to your wi fi on your phone and sending emails. Well, you know, I gotta. The first thing I need to do is I need to digitize the tapes. I played last time and put it on the Pyramid tape subreddit, which I'm sorry for not doing that. And then the next thing I need to do is remember to bring in some new tapes and go through the box, find some more, or just bring the box in and just randomly pull a tape. Rachel, I am stabby. Paul. Stabby, stabby. I love you guys. Love the tapes. Jj. I don't know if it's son or daughter. It's a secret. We don't know. It's going to be a surprise. Double Starships Tylenol. You know, when the crunchy moms have known Tylenol's fucked up for a bit now, it's not like it's news. I feel so sorry for pregnants, man. Like, they could. There's like, you have very limited medicine you can take when you're pregnant. Benevren says they don't believe the tapes are real. I don't blame you. Team R says, hey, Duncan, how bad is it going to get? Andy wants to know what I think about the shared dream world stuff. Reddit, thermal world. I don't know what it is, but let me look it up real quick. That sounds cool as fuck. I got to go. I'm about to leave my. I gotta help my wife put the kids to bed. I got grubby kids. I need to scrub down. It's weird being a parent. Community not found. You got me. You got me. Well, I'll leave you guys on this. My favorite subreddit. Pull up Doomer circlejerk. Josh, I love this subreddit. It is so good. And if you are in the darkness, if you're living in the doom or zeitgeist and you're getting sick of it, go to doomercirclejerk. It picks out the best Doomer shit out there and they post it and they vote on the ultimate. Not that. Scroll up a little bit, Josh. You got. Wake up, people. Newsom says Trump's gonna take us presidential elections away. That's a democracy is dead Doomer. Scroll down a little bit. Keep scrolling. There's a really good one here. It's just great. These are actually not, sadly, not a good mix right now, but it's pretty awesome because it just takes all the best Doomer subreddits. Oh, yeah, Tylenol. Keep scrolling down. Oh, this will be a good one. Google is literally Hitler and they're all Nazis. Is this an actual prank in the middle of misinformation superstore on YouTube? They're going to unban the propagandists. We got scam guys. There's nobody at Google that isn't evil. They're just going to keep violently shoving fascist propaganda in our faces until the dog breaks the company up like they could have done a long time ago. At this point it's legitimately imperative to the survival of the country that Google's monopoly go away. It's actual Nazis trying to destroy the country. It's not a joke or an over exaggeration. I seriously don't know what the heck is going on over there. The executive layer. But the shareholders should be suing over stuff like this. Nazis are not good as business people. How do these companies end up with actual Nazis as executives? Ripping people off is not a sustainable business practice. It finds the histrionic posts like that. And let's read one more and then I gotta get out of here. Oh yeah, sell everything. Trump destroyed the economy. But it's scroll down. Somebody's saying I'm standing in the middle of America right now. Okay, I gotta go. Doomer. Circlejerk. Subscribe to it. It's actually quite good. We've all become somewhat doomery. And it's a good antidote when you realize how embarrassing it is. That worldview. I love you. I'll see you next week. Thank you so much for the super chats. Oh wait. You got one more. We'll do one more.

[B]

You got two more.

[A]

Two more. Thermal world. Lol. I'll look it up after this. Andy, I do have to go bathe my children. Ms. Says. Ah, missed you. I want to ask you about how to stop manifesting negative things when I'm not trying to act and vice versa. Good question. Listen, I do believe in manifestation. It is real. Manifestation is totally real. But don't get the thing is this. Look at what you're doing. How are you spending your time? Think of manifestation as well the way a spider makes a web. You need some kind of precursor material. What's your precursor material? What are you taking in? What are you taking in? It's a big part of it. Because if you're taking in a bunch of fucked up shit, that's what you're gonna. That's what your web's gonna be made of. Like when you see the. The. The. There's a really sad, I don't know picture I saw once where like there was a. A beehive and it was plastic. There's bits of plastic in it. They'd somehow been gathering plastic. I don't know what's going on there. But if you're taking in garbage data and you're manifesting weird shit, it's 100% why it's the first step is you've got to get off the fucking darkness. And I'm a hypocrite for saying that because I doom scroll, I love it, but I shouldn't. And I know the more I fixate on those things, the more that's what I'm going to make. The more you're fixating on the darkness, the more you're going to extantiate that in your life in one way, shape or form. And so that's step one. Wrench yourself off of it. Even if you're just like playing video games, it's better than if you're absorbing a lot of bad stuff. It makes it far more difficult. Read Ernest Holmes. There is a lot of discipline that goes into the actual practice of it. Like this is I think mindfulness practice and meditation practice. It's a good first step because you need to find this bodhicitta, emptiness sort of place where you've got like a clean slate. Because like your overlays, your reality overlays are going to distort whatever it is you're trying to manifest. And so if you can get to a non judgmental, as David puts it, suddenly free from fixed mind place, then you don't have to worry about whatever your particular. Like the tapestry you've woven together of bad news. If that's like fucking up the things you're trying to make and create. Again this is a little, a lot of hypocrisy because I love dark shit as you know, if you've listened to this for any amount of time. I love talking about it and looking at it and stuff but. But I do know that the real manifestation stuff does involve more than just wishing for something or wanting something or visioning you with this thing. It's not that at all. It's really more about remembering the future. And what can happen is you need how you got from point A to point B. And the hardcore manifestation people say don't worry about that. You don't even need to figure out how you're going to get there. You actually have to remember it like it happened in the past. Which tethers you, I guess you could say, to some temporal node that then will appear around you in your life. It's heavy stuff. Like the real stuff is very psychedelic and crazy and beautiful. All right, I gotta go. Peace of the Lord unto thee. Praise Jesus. Amen.