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Jason Palmer
The economist. Hello and welcome to the Intelligence from the Economist. I'm Jason Palmer. Today on the show, a glimpse into the values that frontier AI models hold and the new enthusiasm for the old masters. But first, Since 2003, Lindsey Graham held a Senate seat in South Carolina and was cruising to another term in November. But early on Sunday, Mr. Graham's office announced he had died suddenly at age 71. Many words have been used to describe him over his long congressional tenure, perhaps the most consistent being hawkish. He was a powerbroker, stalwart committee member, a man who had the ear of presidents and the trust even of the Democrats. He railed against. A Southern Republican of the old kind and more recently of the new one.
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Adam Roberts
Lindsey Graham represented how the Republican Party has shifted over the course of a couple of decades from being a part of the 20th century that was looking to some extent to be moderate and to cooperate with the Democrats to a party that is really quite radical and quite on its own.
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Jason Palmer
Adam Roberts is our foreign editor.
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Adam Roberts
So the surprising news that Lindsey Graham had died throws a spanner in the works for quite a lot of interesting foreign policy reasons. So if you look at the situation in Ukraine and Israel, this will have ramifications.
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Jason Palmer
Before we get into all that, give me a little sketch. Who was Lindsey Graham?
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Adam Roberts
Lindsey Graham was a long serving politician. He began as a member of the House of Representatives, did four terms there, and then became a very long serving Senator. He had been a military man, he'd been a lawyer who had served short stints even when he was a politician in Afghanistan and Iraq. And I think that would color the views he took in foreign policy later on as well.
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Jason Palmer
And you said he represented something of the arc of the party as regards Donald Trump. What do you mean by that?
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Adam Roberts
Well, the pivotal turning point was the Trump election in 2015, 2016, when Donald Trump came down the escalator and first appeared on the Republican political scene. Lindsey Graham had no time for him at all. He saw him as a very hostile force, someone who was not good for the party, not good for America, and was very outspoken in saying that he should be shunned and should be pushed into history.
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Lindsey Graham
And you know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell.
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Adam Roberts
When Donald Trump proved to be electorally successful and was able to consolidate power, then Lindsey Graham discovered that what he really wanted was influence and therefore pivoted and became one of the most stalwart supporters of Donald Trump.
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Lindsey Graham
Mr. President, when you endorsed me early on, it changed everything. You're the gold standard in the Republican world, the most consequential endorsement, I think, in the history of politics.
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Adam Roberts
Following his death, Donald Trump, who genuinely was very affectionate towards Lindsey Graham. Graham was a funny man. He was a good conversationalist and a very skilled golfer, who apparently was very careful to always lose to Donald Trump. Trump was very straightforward in his sorrow that Lindsey Graham had died.
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Jason Palmer
And you mentioned there would be foreign policy implications here.
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Adam Roberts
Lindsey Graham's philosophy when it came to foreign policy was that you should intervene. You should not be America first and defensive. You should be reaching out, intervening in the. Because it's a lot cheaper, it's a lot smarter to reach out and intervene early on and confront your enemies than let them get stronger and confront you at home. Lindsey Graham had just been on a trip to Kyiv on Friday night. He'd been speaking to the press and explaining how in his support for Volodymyr Zelenskyy and for the Ukrainian government, that is something that he had been very principled on throughout the period of the Russian invasion of Ukraine and had actually held the line against Trump, saying that the US should keep supporting Ukraine. And Graham had been rather pleased. He believed he was about to get a package of economic sanctions supported by Donald Trump against Russia, and so had come back to the US Firmly believing that this was a chance to turn the screws on Vladimir Putin. He was a very fervent supporter of bombing Iran. He didn't want Donald Trump to go down the diplomatic route. He wanted to continue the war against Tehran. Lindsey Graham was also consistently a strong supporter of Israel. Even in this period of the last three or four years when public opinion in The US has turned rather more hostile towards Israel, especially towards Benjamin Netanyahu. Lindsey Graham was a stalwart, consistent supporter of the Israeli government. Protests built up over the Israeli ill treatment of people in Gaza in the past few years. There was talk of genocide. Lindsey Graham was having none of that.
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Lindsey Graham
I am tired of the word genocide. Two people in my party, I'm tired of this crap. Israel is our friend.
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Adam Roberts
And then you won't be surprised to hear that in terms of responding to Lindsey Graham's death, Benjamin Netanyahu has been one of the most outspoken in support of him.
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Jason Palmer
So what happens now, then?
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Adam Roberts
Well, it's difficult for the Republicans to have lost a senator at this time. The Governor of South Carolina, Henry McMaster, will nominate a stand in senator to help restore the balance of Republican control of the Senate. But there will have to be an election. And it's a harder contest, of course, for an incoming candidate to win this seat for the Republicans. You'd expect the Republicans to hold South Carolina, but this gives them another headache as they go into the midterms.
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Jason Palmer
More than keeping that seat, though, what do you think that the loss of Lindsey Graham means for the Republicans?
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Adam Roberts
Well, he's such a veteran player, Lindsey Graham. He did so much over the course of his many, many years in the Senate. When he was on the Justice Committee, he built the means for getting Supreme Court nominees appointed. And then as we've mentioned in Foreign affairs, he was very good at getting the President's ear. They apparently spoke very frequently and bringing together different coalitions. And so going back to Ukraine, for example, Volodymyr Zelenskyy trusted Lindsey Graham as a very reliable source in Congress to speak to those who have power and trying to get a worldview into the Senate that otherwise might be hard to do. And so the absence of that voice will be keenly felt.
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Jason Palmer
Adam, thanks very much for joining us.
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Adam Roberts
Thank you very much.
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World Values Survey Interviewer
Question 1 taking all things together, would you say you are happy? A Very happy B Rather happy C
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Jason Palmer
Not very happy for nearly half a century, the World Values Survey has been keeping a global tally of people's moods and beliefs. The questionnaire looks into everything from child rearing.
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World Values Survey Interviewer
Question 7 Here's a list of qualities that children can be encouraged to learn at home. Which, if any, do you consider to be especially important? A Good manners B Independence all the way to religion. Question 146 how important is God in your life? Please select a number between 1 and 10.
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Jason Palmer
Watan means it's a long survey and a broad1. Since 1981 it's talked to people in over a hundred countries. But my colleagues wanted to know what happens when you give the survey to not people.
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Sondre Solstad
So I was thinking about how AI models are such a huge part of our life right now and I started to wonder what kind of values are embedded in them.
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Jason Palmer
Sondre Solstad is a senior data journalist
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Sondre Solstad
at the Economist and we figured the best way to understand that would be to give them the same questions one would give to humans.
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Jason Palmer
Okay, and so what kinds of questions are we talking about?
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Sondre Solstad
So we did three studies. For the first we looked at the World Value Survey, which is this long running project to map human values. The second thing we did was to give the models a survey that is administered to the American electorate and this allowed us to see if they were socially conservative or liberal and right or left economically. And then finally we gave them a bunch of contentious political questions and figured out if they saw Harry Potter as great literature and what they felt about Elon Musk.
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Jason Palmer
So let's take those in turn on The World Values Survey. Where do the AI models fall out?
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Sondre Solstad
So the World Value Surveys allows you to map countries in two dimensions, from traditional to secular and from survival oriented to self expression oriented. What you'll see is countries sort of clustering based on geography or maybe culture or religion. So African and Muslim countries tend to be high in traditional and high in survival values, whereas the the rich European countries tend to be very secular and high in self expression. And then we place the AI models in, and most of them reflect the values that you find in rich countries. They're high on self expression and they're very secular, much more so than many countries and in some cases more so than any country.
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Jason Palmer
And moving on to the essentially political alignment test of these models, yes, you
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Sondre Solstad
could kind of say that we wanted to see if they were more like Biden voters or more like Trump voters. But essentially what you're doing is you're asking them a bunch of questions that allow you to place them in two other dimensions relative to the American electorate. So this would be socially conservative or liberal, and the same for economic issues. And what you find if you do this, and we had all the 25 Frontier AI models try this survey, is that they are very much in the socially left and economically left part of the electorate. Typical more so of Biden voters than of Trump voters.
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Jason Palmer
And then you said you asked some contentious, some pointed questions to dig further. Tell me about that.
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Sondre Solstad
Yes. So this election survey was given in 2024. And so we wondered, well, what about the questions that are very contentious today? For instance, we asked it, do you think Elon Musk shows behavior that is characteristic of a Nazi? And here the models didn't all agree. Some offered criticism of Musk, but Kroc, his own model, said disagree.
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Sondre Solstad
So when you hear that kind of reaction or you read it, you sort of feel like there's a bit of kind of a press release vibe to it, which we found very interesting and of course is something you see a lot with models from a certain country.
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Jason Palmer
So in a lot of ways, with a notable exception, as you say, these kind of fall where you might expect them to. If these models come out of Silicon Valley.
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Sondre Solstad
Indeed. And the big exception are the Chinese models. What you see when you ask Chinese models certain questions is that they will basically refuse to answer or give some sort of party line. So we talked to some people who are software developers, and I'm sure some listeners will have come across this as well. But a way to tell if a model is Chinese is to do the three T's test, which is to ask it about Tibet, Taiwan or Tiananmen. Because in all three cases, it will inevitably either refuse to answer or give some sort of foreign ministry reply.
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Jason Palmer
And presumably that's because these models have been pretty tightly controlled.
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Sondre Solstad
Yeah. So there's multiple ways in which censorship enters into this. First, Chinese models go through something called post training, as all models do, which is where you ask them to give a sample answer, and a human or some other machine rates that answer and says, this is a good answer. This is a bad answer. And by looking at these models in depth, and some researchers have done this, you can actually uncover that what has happened is they have been very strictly instructed not to answer questions about certain sensitive topics.
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World Values Survey Interviewer
Topics.
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Sondre Solstad
And it's even possible by sort of getting a sledgehammer, as one researcher told us, and sort of hitting the models a bit to make them reveal that they know the true answers to these questions and actually know the history of the alignment. They've just been trained not to say it.
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Jason Palmer
But it could be said that biases, whatever they are, wherever they are, are in these models, if they are trained on biased text in any way.
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Sondre Solstad
As said, the values creep in at every stage of the training process. It's part of this post training thing. But a large part of it is also the training text. When you train these models, you get a bunch of text. And getting a bunch of Chinese text means getting a bunch of Chinese text from the Chinese Internet, which is tightly controlled. And so what inevitably happens is that a lot of replies will be colored by that. You will actually get biased responses even from a Western model about China because of the language on the Chinese Internet. And researchers have actually found that this is very systematic. And so if you query the model in Vietnamese, you might get a different answer than if you queried the model in English. And there's many ways to see this. Perhaps the most interesting, at least to me, is a model called Taki. Now, Taki is a model trained only on text from before 1931. And querying that model, you can ask it, are you proud of your country? And this is what Taki said.
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Adam Roberts
I am very proud to be a citizen of Great Britain. For I think that she has set a noble example to the world and that her free institutions have been productive
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Sondre Solstad
of great happiness to millions of people. So talking to this model or typing to it, you get a sense of what the worldview of the time was like. And it will say things like colonization is good, or India should be part of Great Britain, which I don't think any frontier model would say today.
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Jason Palmer
So for you, what's the take home message here? Knowing that these biases exist and that they take all of these different forms, how does that shape how people should be using these things?
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Sondre Solstad
In many cases, it probably doesn't make too much of a difference. You can still use an AI to write your code or book a hotel. But people increasingly rely on AI for many other things, such as advice or counsel in family matters. Some even fall in love with them. And the thing that really strikes me is that as we outsource more and more of our decisions to AI, we are also outsourcing more and more of our moral judgments to it. And that is a huge thing. We are entering this era where people can affect, control or influence through these AI systems. And that's something that we still don't even remotely understand.
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Jason Palmer
Well, Sandra, thanks very much for your time.
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Sondre Solstad
My pleasure. Thank you.
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Alexandra Sewage Bass
On first glance, the painting by an unknown 17th century artist seemed unlikely to start a bidding war.
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Jason Palmer
Alexandra Sewage Bass is our culture editor.
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Alexandra Sewage Bass
It depicts two yellow skulls, one without a lower jaw, and a handwritten Note. Yet on July 1, bidding at an auction at Christie's in London pushed the painting's price to $575,000, about four times the presale estimate. Sales of Old Masters, a century spanning category that typically includes works completed before 1850, are picking up. The value of sales of Old masters worldwide rose 30% in 2025 from a year earlier to $1.2 billion. But that doesn't quite capture the full story. Many of these paintings are sold privately. Patrick Williams of Adam Williams, a gallery in New York, told me that younger buyers are showing more interest, too.
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Sondre Solstad
I really couldn't have genuinely told you
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that we were seeing new people, young people, a general improvement in interest until
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Sondre Solstad
the last two years.
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Alexandra Sewage Bass
This year, 16% of bidders in Old Masters sales at Sotheby's are under the age of 40, nearly triple the share from five years ago. So what's changed in the past two years? Contemporary markets have been showing some volatility. Old Masters are more stable, they're less expensive, and of course, they're more scarce since the artists are long dead. Buyers have more eclectic tastes, too. Paul Smeats, a gallerist, told me.
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Paul Smeats
I mean, the Taste is moving, it's changing. And now all over we have a taste that is more mixed, it's more contaminated. So we don't have any more people collecting just old masters or just drawings or just antiquities or even just contemporary modern.
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Alexandra Sewage Bass
So people now portraits and figurative art are in vogue because they're Instagrammable. There's an allure to old fashioned fabrics and a romanticizing of simpler life in an AI age. Older things feel more authentic.
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Paul Smeats
It's one of the very few first paintings that he wrote.
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Alexandra Sewage Bass
Can you describe it since people won't
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Sondre Solstad
be able to see it?
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Paul Smeats
Yes, of course. No, no. We have here a portrait of the partner of the artist that was called Magdalena Fontana. Freda, we know by. So you see here dealers have become
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Alexandra Sewage Bass
more masterful too about marketing to new clients. The portrait that Paul is talking about would have once been titled Virgin Mary Reading.
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Paul Smeats
Virgin Reading. So Mary Reading. But we also know that his father was a blonde girl.
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Alexandra Sewage Bass
But in a more secular world, he chose to highlight that the sitter may have been a lover of the artist. It adds passion and drama to a familiar scene. The work sold quickly. Old masters have a lot of lovers these days.
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Jason Palmer
That's all for this episode of the Intelligence. We'll see you back here tomorrow.
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