In the line of fires: LA’s ashen suburbs one year on

Summary

Economist Podcasts – "In the Line of Fires: LA’s Ashen Suburbs One Year On"

Date: January 7, 2026
Host(s): Rosie Blore, Jason Palmer
Key Correspondents: Erin Braun (West Coast), Henry Tricks (US Technology Editor), Alexandra Sewich Bass (Culture Editor)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Intelligence reflects on the aftermath of the devastating 2025 Los Angeles wildfires, examining how communities are recovering a year later. The team explores the complicated intersection of climate risk, insurance, and utility responsibility, while also considering the broader implications for California and comparable regions. The episode further delves into how AI will impact future job markets, and trends signaling the peak (and possibly decline) of global wine consumption.

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Segment 1: Los Angeles Wildfires – The Human and Systemic Toll

Featured: Erin Braun, Damon & Audra Blunt
[01:42–10:15]

First-Hand Survivor Accounts

• Damon Blunt recalls the harrowing moment of evacuation:

  “I laid down to take a nap, and the next thing I know, he woke me up and he said, we have to leave and we have to leave now. And that was around that 3am exactly.”
  (Damon Blunt, 01:42)

• The Blunts’ experience — their house and newly renovated neighborhood in Altadena reduced to an empty dirt lot.

  “We had everything landscaped. We had, like, the lighting done. I mean, it was, it was truly our, our little piece of, of heaven, my sanctuary.”
  (Damon Blunt, 02:30)

• Mixed emotions as rebuilding begins:

  “You’re happy for the neighbors that their stuff is going up, but… you keep asking yourself, you know, how much more red tape do I have to go through? How many more times do I have to talk to the insurance company?”
  (Audra Blunt, 02:51)

Scale and Health Impacts

• Fires began January 7, 2025:
  • 31 killed, >16,000 buildings destroyed
  • 14 more died from smoke exposure
  • 46% surge in ER heart attack symptoms in the following 90 days

  “It can take years or even decades for a city to fully recover from fires like this.”
  (Erin Braun, 03:14)

Recovery Realities & Forecast

• Permitting is often a bottleneck in LA, but rebuilding is underway:
  • By December, ~15% of destroyed buildings had permits approved
  • Expectation for a "building boom" in March when rains subside
  • Early rebuilding highlights two “pinch points”: insurance and utility liability

The Insurance Squeeze

• Chronic underinsurance in fire-prone LA neighborhoods
• Wealthier areas (e.g., Pacific Palisades) faring better; can self-fund rebuilding
• Altadena’s middle-class residents face mortgage and rent burdens, sometimes forced to sell to developers

  “Altadena is not for sale.” (a slogan seen on local yard signs, 06:29)

• Ballot measures (Prop 103, 1988) kept rates low, inadvertently encouraging risky construction

The Utility Blame Game

• Palisades fire suspected arson; alleged perpetrator charged
• Altadena fire: Southern California Edison (SoCal Edison) admitted probable causation via equipment failure
• Ongoing litigation from survivors, federal, and county governments
• Edison offers early settlements if victims forgo lawsuits; California replenishes utility wildfire fund (ratepayers and shareholders pay)

  “A lot of survivors I spoke with are completely depending on a prospective settlement to finance the rebuild of their homes.”
  (Erin Braun, 08:22)

Looking to 2026

• Hope for rebuilding momentum and more permits post-winter
• Emotional toll of displacement:

  “It was the first time in 26 years they haven’t been in their home for the holidays…they are really hoping that by next Christmas they’ll be back in their house.”
  (Erin Braun, 09:53)

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Segment 2: Artificial Intelligence — Job Losses or Job Creation?

Featured: Henry Tricks, Rosie Blore
[11:06–18:53]

Rethinking the "AI Apocalypse"

• Widespread anxiety over AI causing mass unemployment
• New demand for roles created by AI’s need for human guidance

  “As with most technologies, there will be winners and losers. Tech is already creating demand for new roles.”
  (Henry Tricks, 11:41)

Emerging Job Roles

• Data Annotators: Once gig-workers, now more specialist roles (medicine, finance) to help train AI for specific workflows

• Forward Deployed Engineers: Customizing and embedding AI tools for client organizations (highly paid but little-known)

• AI Risk & Governance Specialists: Fastest growing IT job in developed countries—ensure bots operate safely and ethically

  “Their job is basically to ensure that the bots don’t leak data or cause a company’s operations to crash.”
  (Henry Tricks, 15:00)

• Chief AI Officer: Leadership role, oversees multiple AI models and vendor relationships; wrangling complexity

  “The idea of harnessing these agents, you need to basically stop them trampling over the company and over the company’s reputation.”
  (Henry Tricks, 15:49)

Why Human Skills Remain Crucial

• Even as automation grows, human oversight is vital
• Example: Robo taxis and disaster scenarios
• "Bedside manner" just as important as technical nous

  “You need to have a bedside manner as well as the ability to understand what the technology is doing and where it’s going wrong.”
  (Henry Tricks, 17:13)

The "AI Bubble" and Future Outlook

• AI not yet self-sustaining at scale; still dependent on humans
• Real risk isn’t a bust, but that AI will eventually replace more of these human jobs—but not for some time

  “It’s vital to keep humans in the loop, checking the agent’s homework if you like.”
  (Henry Tricks, 17:51)

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Segment 3: World Ahead — Has the World Hit Peak Wine?

Featured: Alexandra Sewich Bass, Rosie Blore
[19:13–24:42]

The Fall from Hemingway's Era

• Global wine consumption peaked in 2014; down ~10% by 2024, with 2026 decline forecast
• Wine experiencing a secular (not cyclical) decline

  “For the first time in modern history, wine is experiencing a secular decline. People are just drinking less of it.”
  (Alexandra Sewich Bass, 19:24)

Drivers: Health, Demographics, and Changing Culture

• Health consciousness: shift to lower-ABV alternatives (canned cocktails, seltzers), more “alcohol-free days”
• Demographic shifts:
  • Western, aging populations = shrinking core drinker base
  • Rising countries often have lower demand (e.g., Muslim-majority countries)
• Baby boomers "aging out"

  “A very funny analyst mentioned that they’re going to the tasting room in the sky.”
  (Alexandra Sewich Bass, 21:20)

• Younger generations less attached, some opting for micro-dosing or sobriety
• Trends: “California sober” (drugs, no alcohol), fitness tech spotlight on alcohol’s impact

The Industry Outlook

• Expect more industry consolidation, some agricultural repurposing of vineyards
• Focus on Bordeaux as benchmark for fine wine’s future
• Not all bad news: fine wine demand more robust, likened to Swiss watches as a status symbol

  “Fine wine…likened to Swiss watches…People want that status symbol.”
  (Alexandra Sewich Bass, 23:46)

• Good news for remaining wine lovers: better deals and wider choice

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Damon Blunt (01:42): “We have to leave and we have to leave now.” – underscores the sudden trauma of wildfire evacuation.
• Audra Blunt (02:51): “You keep asking yourself…how much more red tape do I have to go through?”
• Erin Braun (03:14): “It can take years or even decades for a city to fully recover from fires like this.”
• Henry Tricks (15:00): “Their job is basically to ensure that the bots don’t leak data or cause a company’s operations to crash.”
• Alexandra Sewich Bass (21:20): “…they’re going to the tasting room in the sky.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:42 — Wildfire survivors recount evacuation and loss
• 03:14 — Erin Braun details the true scale of wildfire damage
• 05:22 — Analysis of insurance market issues post-fire
• 08:22 — Utility (SoCal Edison) blamed for fire, settlements discussed
• 11:06 — The looming “AI jobs apocalypse” reframed: new roles emerging
• 13:08 — Human input remains necessary for AI training, especially for specialized fields
• 15:00 — The critical role of AI risk and governance specialists
• 17:13 — Human “bedside manner” irreplaceable in AI-human collaboration
• 19:24 — Wine’s secular decline explained: demographics, culture, health
• 23:46 — The future: wine as a luxury niche, opportunities for enthusiasts

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Conclusion

This episode offers a sobering look at the long-term consequences of natural disasters—not just in terms of loss, but also the complex economic, legal, and social webs that survivors must navigate. It highlights how systemic challenges in insurance and corporate accountability shape recovery, while broader discussions remind listeners that technology and culture continue to reshape our livelihoods and lifestyles. The reflections on AI and wine consumption show that "after the fire"—sometimes quite literally—change can come in unexpected ways, challenging familiar narratives about jobs, community, and consumption.

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Transcript

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And I'm Jason Palmer. Every weekday we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world.

[Rosie Blore]

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[Damon Blunt]

I laid down to take a nap, and the next thing I know, he woke me up and he said, we have to leave and we have to leave now. And that was around that 3am exactly.

[Erin Braun]

One year ago, wildfires devastated parts of Los Angeles.

[Jason Palmer]

Erin Braun is our west coast correspondent.

[Erin Braun]

Audra Blunt and her husband Damon's home was in Altadena. That's to the east of la. Their house and their entire neighborhood were destroyed. Do you remember what the neighborhood looked like as you were driving away?

[Damon Blunt]

It was complete dark and it looked like it was complete. I want to say hysteria.

[Erin Braun]

The memories of their home are still extremely vivid.

[Audra Blunt]

Before the fire, my wife and I had spent the last five years remodeling in our house. Like, this driveway, as you can see, is brand new.

[Erin Braun]

It looks like it, yeah.

[Damon Blunt]

We had everything landscaped. We had, like, the lighting done. I mean, it was, it was truly our, our little piece of, of heaven, my sanctuary.

[Erin Braun]

Now, Audra and Damon's home is an empty dirt lot, but look around the neighborhood more generally, and there are some signs of construction work, of buildings going back up.

[Audra Blunt]

You're happy for the neighbors that their stuff is going up, but it's still. You're like, I just want to be back home. And you keep asking yourself, you know, how much more red tape do I have to go through? How many more times do I have to talk to the insurance company?

[Erin Braun]

The flames that burned down Altadena 12 months ago were just the beginning of this story.

[Jason Palmer]

So Erin let's wind back to a year ago remind us of what happened.

[Erin Braun]

Last January in the fires that swept across Los Angeles County Starting on January 7, 31 people were killed and the flames destroyed more than 16,000 buildings. Some neighborhoods were completely obliterated. But that was just the beginning of the damage. New research has come out finding that 14 other people died from wildfire smoke exposure and the number of emergency room visits for heart attack symptoms increased something like 46% in the 90 days after the fire. So we're still finding out the true extent of the damage. And really it can take years or even decades for a city to fully recover from fires like this. And when I talked to survivors both in Altadena and Pacific Palisades, the neighborhoods that burn, they now talk about their lives in two parts. There was before January 7th and after.

[Jason Palmer]

And how does that after January 7th reality look now? What did you see?

[Erin Braun]

Well, like the Blounts house, there's a lot of dirt lots, but there's also a lot of construction just beginning. So permitting, which everyone was really worried about because it's notoriously slow in Los Angeles is actually going to pretty well so far, if you ask architects, permits have been approved for reconstruction of about 15% of destroyed buildings as of December. One architect I spoke to in Altadena expects a big building boom in March when the winter rains are over and more permits have been approved. And even these nascent rebuilding efforts help us to forecast how the fires will change Los Angeles and also what they reveal about climate risk for other cities. And two pinch points where California's policies and climate risk combined have created toxic situations, especially around home insurance and investor owned utilities.

[Jason Palmer]

I remember at the time of the fires you mentioned how much the insurance industry was going to be rocked by this.

[Erin Braun]

When you talk to survivors, they will bring up insurance within like the first three minutes of speaking to them. And that's because so many people who live in fire prone areas like Los Angeles are underinsured, which means that even the money they get back from their insurance company is not enough to rebuild their homes. Wealthier residents in places like Pacific Palisades, they can probably afford to rebuild their home regardless. That's a pretty wealthy community. Some people there are reimagining their dream home and buying up neighboring lots to build bigger houses and backyards. It's a very different situation in Altadena, which is a more eclectic middle class community and lots of people there are struggling to pay their rent while continuing to pay down their mortgage. And because they have this insurance gap for some people, selling their property is the only option that they think that they have. And that's really controversial in a neighborhood that feels like developers and investors want to capitalize on their loss. And if you drive around Altadena, this is really evident because you have lots of signs in front yards that say Altadena is not for sale, right next to a house with a for sale sign in their front yard.

[Jason Palmer]

And when we spoke before about the insurance market, the insurance industry, you spoke about, I mean, essentially how complicated it is. And presumably this tragedy has only made things messier.

[Erin Braun]

There were problems with California's home insurance market even before these fires. Californians passed a ballot measure in 1988 which artificially suppressed home insurance rates. And that helped incentivize a migration into these risky fire prone areas. In 2023, the state struck a deal with firms that would allow them to increase rates while continuing to cover these risky fire prone areas. And that deal was also supposed to stabilize the Fair Plan, which is kind of an insurance pool of last resort for people who can't afford home insurance on the private market because they're in these risky areas. But in practice, policyholders in risky areas have continued to lose coverage, forcing them to buy this last resort insurance. California's elected insurance commissioner charged the firms in the pool a billion dollars last year to prevent insolvency. But that's also a short term solution, especially when you consider the fact that the Fair Plan's exposure has tripled since 2022.

[Jason Palmer]

But in thinking about these particular fires, this was not to adopt the language of insurance policies. An act of God, right? There is some blame to be apportioned.

[Erin Braun]

So the situation in Palisades, in Altadena, is quite different. There's a young man who was arrested and charged with starting the Palisades fire. He's pleaded not guilty. In Altadena, Southern California Edison, which is one of the state's big investor owned utilities, has admitted that its equipment probably caused the fire that raised that part of Los Angeles County. And in the aftermath of that, individuals, the county, the federal government, they're all suing the company to try to recoup their losses. And a lot of survivors I spoke with are completely depending on a prospective settlement to finance the rebuild of their homes. So SoCal Edison, very leery of all of this litigation, is voluntarily offering survivors a quicker payout in exchange for giving up their right to sue. The Los Angeles fires prompted California to replenish this fund that it has to help utilities pay wildfire claims that would otherwise be ruinous. And for this fund right now, ratepayers and shareholders will foot the bill.

[Jason Palmer]

Based on what you've seen a year after these fires, what do you see for the year ahead?

[Erin Braun]

I mean, optimistically, I think there will be a lot more construction. I actually asked Audra and Damon Blunt this question. I spoke with them in front of their house. They were having a hard time. It was the first time in 26 years they haven't been in their home for the holidays. And they are really hoping that by next Christmas they'll be back in their house in Altadena.

[Jason Palmer]

Erin, thanks as ever for your time.

[Erin Braun]

Thank you, Jason.

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[Rosie Blore]

With any technological development, the question is always what impact it will have on our daily lives. Take artificial intelligence. Some of us have already used it to make small tasks more efficient, to improve our university essays, or help us find a cafe on holiday. But what's it doing to our careers?

[Henry Tricks]

There has been a lot of debate over what effect artificial intelligence will have on human jobs, and there are clearly widespread fears of job losses.

[Rosie Blore]

Henry Tricks is our US Technology editor.

[Henry Tricks]

But as with most technologies, there will be winners and losers. Tech is already creating demand for new roles.

[Rosie Blore]

So what sorts of roles are we talking about?

[Henry Tricks]

The main role to start off with is the training of agents to do human like workflows. But you also need people to embed agents into organizations and to make sure that they behave. These are jobs that sound like they're for engineers, AI developers, and maths wizards. But what's really interesting about them is that many of them require uniquely human skills as well, such as a grasp of psychology and ethics.

[Rosie Blore]

Okay, so before we get to the jobs, just boil it down for me. What really is an AI agent?

[Henry Tricks]

So an AI agent is part of a large language model built to be able to do tasks that humans do. That means that it could fill in forms on your behalf, it could do customer service instead of human. It could work alongside a human resources manager to help deal with payroll and HR aspects.

[Rosie Blore]

So it's replacing tasks that humans do at the moment. And yet you say it needs humans to be involved in its training?

[Henry Tricks]

Yeah, that's right. The first kind of job that is helping AI researchers train models and train agents is what are called data annotators. And these were the backbone of the early AI industry. They were often gig workers in low income economies that were paid to lower look at data, for example, to look at a picture of a giraffe, or look at an image by a roadside and link those to a particular image online so that the AI would know that a giraffe looks like a giraffe or a road sign looks like a road sign. Now the need to create agents is leading to the hiring of specialists in particular fields. They may be specialists in medicine or specialists in finance, and their job is really to help train an agent to do a particular workflow.

[Rosie Blore]

But presumably there are other sorts of jobs involved here too.

[Henry Tricks]

Yeah, once you have the model trained, what you really want to do is embed it in the organization. So the job that is fast becoming pretty popular and very highly paid is the job of forward deployed engineers. They work as kind of a developer, a consultant, and they customize AI tools for the client to get them up and running.

[Rosie Blore]

They really need to come up with a better job title though, don't they?

[Henry Tricks]

They do. Well, if you don't like that job title, what about this one, the AI risk and governance specialist. This actually bizarrely is the fastest growing IT job in the rich world, according to a research group led by Cisco. And actually there's even more demand for these specialists than there are for a programmers. And the reason why this job is particularly important is because the AI agents tend to go off the rails. And their job is basically to ensure that the bots don't leak data or cause a company's operations to crash.

[Rosie Blore]

Are these really new roles or can workers actually be trained from their current roles?

[Henry Tricks]

What you're seeing so far is workers are being widely retrained in order to develop these kind of skills. There is, however, one job that is widely advertised, the job of chief AI officer, who is responsible for bringing all these agents together and making them effective within the workplace. And it's a complicated job. Typically a large company uses up to 11 generative AI models, according to tech firm IBM. And each firm is constantly being bombarded by vendors selling agents and there are dozens of different types of agents that they might be selling. So the idea of harnessing these agents, you need to basically stop them trampling over the company and over the company's reputation.

[Rosie Blore]

So why is human involvement so important to developing artificial intelligence?

[Henry Tricks]

Agents, AIs, at least for the time being, will work alongside humans. So you need to be able to understand the human context within which the AI operates. If you think of Waymo, the self driving robo taxi company, it pretty much operates as an agent driving you from one place to the next. And if everything works smoothly, that's fine. But what if things don't work smoothly? Then you may find yourself in a crash or in a situation where you're locked into the car and you can't get out. So what you need is an operator who is human, who understands not only the technical problems there, but also how to handle the frazzled customer and potentially disaster situations. You need to have a bedside manner as well as the ability to understand what the technology is doing and where it's going wrong.

[Rosie Blore]

Now, Henry, as well as hearing about AI endlessly, we're also talking a lot about AI bubbles. And I'm interested. If this is a bubble, it bursts. What happens to these jobs?

[Henry Tricks]

Even if the AI bubble bursts, there will still be AI. Just as the Internet survived the dot com crash. You could argue that the biggest risk to these jobs is not so much the bubble, but it's AI itself. Once the AI has learned from these humans, it could end up replacing them. But for now, we're not close to that stage. It is very complex to embed AI agents into companies. It's difficult to train them on a company's private data. Large language models still do not create flawless responses to questions, and it's vital to keep humans in the loop, checking the agent's homework if you like. It's those shortcomings which partly explain why there is this talk of a bubble at all. At the moment, AI is not yet widely enough used to generate the sort of revenue to pay for all the money that's invested in it. So it may be that there is a bubble, but I think AI and AI related jobs will be here for a while, as long as we can find some more attractive names for them.

[Rosie Blore]

Henry, thank you very much.

[Henry Tricks]

Great talking to you, Rosie.

[Alexandra Sewich Bass]

Ernest Hemingway, who was of course a famously heavy drinker, is supposed to have said his only regret in life was that he didn't drink more wine.

[Rosie Blore]

Alexandra Sewich Bass is our culture editor.

[Alexandra Sewich Bass]

Unfortunately, fewer and fewer people feel that way. This year, the world is going to wake up to the fact that humanity has hit peak wine consumption. The volume of wine sold in major markets in 2024 fell nearly 10% from its height in 2014. Both global volume and the value of wine sold is going to fall in 2026. Wine sales have always been cyclical. They've declined in difficult economic times. But for the first time in modern history, wine is experiencing a secular decline. People are just drinking less of it.

[Rosie Blore]

Alexandra, isn't this move away from the heavy drinking days of Hemingway something that's happening with all alcohol, not just wine?

[Alexandra Sewich Bass]

It's true. This is not unique to wine. We're seeing people drink less and less often. But wine is especially vulnerable because it used to be a beverage that people drank frequently. And so the mass market sort that's been especially hard hit because people are drinking less often. And it's vulnerable to substitution from alternatives like cocktails in the can and ready to drink seltzers. And those boast lower alcohol levels. So when people drink, they're becoming more concerned about the health consequences, so they're opting for lower alcohol alternatives instead of wine.

[Rosie Blore]

Okay, so health consciousness is one thing, but what else is driving this trend?

[Alexandra Sewich Bass]

It's a complex thing that's happening, but you can put the explanations into two different buckets. Demographics and culture. So the big markets, Western Europe, America, that have historically had a lot of wine drinkers, we're seeing populations slow. The high growth countries where we're seeing populations rise are often Muslim countries where, surprise, surprise, there aren't a lot of new wine drinkers. You can also look at baby boomers who are aging out. They've acquired huge wine collections over the last few decades. They are slowing down not only their consumption, but their acquisitions. A very funny analyst mentioned that they're going to the tasting room in the sky. And so as baby boomers die off, the younger generations are not coming forward to collect in the same way that they were and also drink as frequently. Culturally, for youngsters, wine drinking is not as prominent as it was for older consumers. So that brings us to culture. And wine's place has really changed among all ages. People are forsaking drinking altogether, sometimes opting for microdosing magic mushrooms. There's the trend of what people call California sober. So taking drugs instead of drinking. You see wearable watches that have really alerted people to the impact of sleep when they drink wine or other alcohol. And so people have become much more dogmatic about not drinking more days a week. And wine veterans worry a lot as people take Ozempic and other drugs. What's likely to happen to wine consumption? Because people want to eat less, but they also want to drink less. So that will of course affect spirits, but it will also affect how often people drink wine potentially.

[Rosie Blore]

So where does all that leave the wine industry?

[Alexandra Sewich Bass]

In a place of Great Depression? You could say that people are drinking away their sorrows as they look at the future. There are a few things to look out for in the year 2026. People should watch what's likely to happen in the wine world. With businesses, you could see even more consolidation. Wine and spirit businesses trading hands. People are looking at Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessy to try and understand what's likely to happen with their business. And some think that it could be spun out or SOL in the coming year, you're seeing vineyards be replaced by other agricultural products. And then watch Bourdieu this year it's the largest producer of fine wine in the world and often seen as a litmus test for the wider industry for demand and pricing. It's of course not all bad news. So there's a big difference between the mass market lower price point wine and the higher price point wine that people would indulge in, collect and enjoy. For special occasions, I spoke with the editor in chief of the Wine Advocate who compared fine wine to Swiss watches. So it's true that with technology people are not buying the digital sort of watch, but Swiss watches are still doing extremely well because people want that status symbol. He suggests that the same thing will be true for the best wines in the world. And of course, if you are a wine enthusiast, you're likely to have more favorable pricing as fewer buyers are coming forward. We see a lot of deals on fine wines and so that is certainly something to toast to.

[Rosie Blore]

And Alexandra, are you still a wine drinker?

[Alexandra Sewich Bass]

I am an unapologetic wine and champagne drinker, so I have a lot to look forward to in the year ahead.

[Rosie Blore]

Well, if it wasn't 10am I would toast you with a glass of wine myself. Thank you so much, Alexandra.

[Alexandra Sewich Bass]

Thank you so much, Rezy.

[Rosie Blore]

That piece was reported as part of our World Ahead series, which also includes an optimistic look at America's 250th birthday and how weight loss drugs are set to go Global in 2026. You can find those articles and more on economist.com by searching world Ahead.

[Jason Palmer]

That's all for this episode of the Intelligence. We'll see you back here tomorrow.