Rosie Blore (3:28)

And Greg, we've heard a lot over the weekend about the involvement of Houthis. Just tell us what's going on there?

Greg Karlstrom (3:36)

So this is, of course, the Iranian backed Shia militia in Yemen that controls a large part of Yemen. They've sat on the sidelines for a month, but over the weekend they did fire ballistic missiles at Israel. The question now for everyone in the region is, are they going to go further than that, firing missiles at Israel? Yes, it puts some pressure on Israel's interceptor stocks, but it doesn't change the course of the war in any great way. If the Houthis go back to carrying out attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea as they did two years ago during the Gaza war, the impact of that would be much more serious. Saudi Arabia right now, instead of exporting from the Persian Gulf, which is blocked, is exporting this oil from the Red Sea. If the Houthis start attacking ships again, tankers are not going to be able to collect that Saudi oil. And so what is now a 10 million barrel a day shortfall in oil markets will end up being closer to 20 million. That would have a huge impact, obviously on the oil price. But we just don't know yet if Houthis are going to do that, if they are waiting for the conflict to escalate, to escalate their own actions, or if this is as far as they're willing to go because they don't want to antagonize the Saudis too much.

Rosie Blore (4:54)

So leaving the Houthis aside, then let's take the other actors in this conflict. Iran. How is the regime holding up? How is the country holding up?

Greg Karlstrom (5:05)

The view in Tehran right now, I think, is that they have the upper hand in this war. That is their assessment. They've been able to keep up missile and drone attacks on Israel and the Gulf states for more than a month now. They have this de facto control of the Strait of Hormuz. They've driven up the oil price, they've choked off commercial shipping. And at the same time, the damage that they have suffered inside of Iran is still largely limited to military and nuclear targets. We haven't seen, I think, catastrophic damage to their economy or to their infrastructure. And in fact, they're still exporting oil and making more money now from oil exports than they were before the war. And so all of this is feeding into their calculus. But I think a few caveats there. One is that there's a lot that we don't know about the scale of the damage in Iran. And we've also seen occasional attacks on things that are very, very important to its economy. On Friday, Israel bombed the largest steel plants in the country, at least one of which subsequently shut down. And if we see more of these sorts of attacks, if Israel and perhaps America start striking more at Iranian infrastructure, at Iran's economy, they're going to cause damage that is going to be very hard for Iran to repair and is going to have very serious consequences for its economy.

Rosie Blore (6:25)

So what do you think would bring Iran to the table? How would they want the war to end?

Greg Karlstrom (6:31)

Ideally, what they want is to know that not just this war is ending, but that there won't be a future war. They want guarantees that both America and Israel are not going to attack them again. I think that's their core demand here. Now, they've issued a list of other demands which they want to see in a ceasefire. They want reparations for the war. They want the closure of American military bases in the region. They want to formalize their control over the Strait of Hormuz, which is an international waterway. But they want to start charging fees for ships that use the strait. It's very hard to imagine Trump agreeing to these things. America's allies in the Gulf would be very strongly opposed. And so Iran has an opportunity here where I think they could sell a deal to the Americans, a much pared down version of that deal. They would reopen the Strait of Hormuz, they would get some sanctions relief. In return, they might make a few other concessions. And they could say, you know, we'll have talks in the future about the rest of America's demands, knowing that those talks may never happen. But that's not where Iran is right now.

Rosie Blore (7:37)

And where is Washington in all of this as the war enters its fifth week?

Greg Karlstrom (7:42)

I mean, you hear very mixed messages coming from people in the Trump administration. On the one hand, they continue to talk up these diplomatic contacts they've had with Iran, these, I don't even want to call them indirect talks, but messages they have passed back and forth via Pakistan, which is served, serving as an intermediary. I don't think they've made much progress towards a deal, but there seems to be a desire to find a deal and to extricate America from this war because of the damage it has already done to the global economy. The war is deeply unpopular in America. I think Trump would like to find an off ramp here, but if he can't find one soon, I think it's going to be politically difficult for him to sell this sort of half done agreement as a victory. And so the longer this goes on, the more Trump is going to be pushed towards escalatory Measures up to and including possible ground invasion of Iran.

Rosie Blore (8:38)

And how likely is it that we'll see troops on the ground in Iran?

Greg Karlstrom (8:43)

I think it's becoming quite likely. The Pentagon has already deployed 7,000 Marines and paratroopers to the region. There's talk that another 10,000 troops might be sent. There are amphibious warfare ships making their way west from California right now. I think there's a strong possibility that the US tries to capture some of the islands at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz and use them as a base to defend ships coming in and out of the strait. The riskier things that Trump could do would be trying to seize Kharg island, which is the site of Iran's main oil export terminal, trying to carry out a very complicated, very protracted raid inside of Iran to seize its stockpiles of highly enriched uranium. The administration has talked about these things, but they are much riskier and much more complicated. We don't know if he's going to order those sorts of operations, but again, I do think it's likely that there will be some sort of ground invasion coming in the. In the days and weeks to come,

Rosie Blore (9:43)

which doesn't really sound like an end to the war.

Greg Karlstrom (9:47)

No, none of these will end the war. The administration is hoping that, you know, somehow this will be a knockout blow to Iran. If you seize some islands, then they won't be able to blockade the straits anymore, or they'll make a deal and the war will be over. If they don't make a deal first. Whatever territory you seize, you either have to hold it or you have to give it back to Iran, which is very embarrassing. So you're sort of stuck occupying this territory for a prolonged period of time. Even if you take these islands at the mouth of the strait, it's still difficult to convince commercial shippers that it's safe to go through, because Iran can continue firing drones and missiles at ships from the mainland. And so America may have to hold this territory for a protracted period of time. If there are significant American casualties in any of these ground operations, that might add further political pressure on Trump to escalate, to send more troops, to pull himself even further in. So a president who once said he's against forever wars in the Middle east, he's against large deployments of American troops in the Middle east, he's starting something that may end with exactly that sort of scenario.

Rosie Blore (10:55)

Greg, thank you very much for talking to me.

Greg Karlstrom (10:58)

Thank you, Rosie.

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Jason Palmer (12:28)

In July, America will be celebrating its 250th birthday. So in the run up to the anniversary, we're charting the big moments in the country country's history, taking extracts from our own archive to recount the history as it happened.

Narrator/Historian (12:53)

By the 1890s, the United States had overtaken Britain as the world's leading industrial power.

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Annie Cravel is a senior digital editor.

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All this growth was financed by Wall street, but most of the prosperity was concentrated with a few successful businessmen, including John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie. It was also a key time for investigative journalists. Ida Tarbell revealed Rockefeller's corruption in a series of articles writing Very often people who admit the facts, who are willing to see that Mr. Rockefeller has employed force, force and fraud to secure his ends, justify him by declaring its business, that is its business has come to be a legitimate excuse for hard dealing, sly tricks, special privileges. American workers labored for long hours in unsafe conditions to make those at the top rich. They began to organize. On May 1, 1886, there's a turning point. Thousands of angry workers organized a strike for an eight hour workday. A few days later at a protest rally in Chicago's Haymarket Square, someone threw a bomb at police who then fired on protesters. At least 11 people were killed. These events set off anti labor and anti immigrant his but they eventually became a symbol of labor's struggle. With May Day acquiring global meaning, anti immigrant sentiment had been on the rise for a while. Before the first May Day during the Civil War, Congress had opened America's doors wide to immigrants. There were Irish and Germans and later Eastern and Southern Europeans as well as East Asians. Every economic shock inspired a backlash against them. They were accused of taking American jobs and by 1924, Congress had virtually barred migrants from outside the americas. Ironically, the statue of liberty, which is meant to welcome all comers, was erected around the time America began closing its borders. Black people continued to be poorly treated, too. The problem after the end of slavery became segregation. In 1892, Homer Plessy from new orleans was arrested after he sat down in a train car reserved for white passengers. He appealed his case all the way up to the supply supreme court, where the justices ruled against him. Justice John Marshall Harlan, the only dissenter,

Greg Karlstrom (15:49)

wrote, our constitution is colorblind and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens. In respect of civil rights, all citizens are equal before the law.

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But his words did not resonate. The court's decision only served to reinforce the regime of segregation that had been imposed by white southerners after reconstruction.

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We consider the underlying fallacy of the plaintiff's argument to consist in the assumption that the enforced separation of the two races stamps the colored race with a badge of inferiority. If this be so, it is not by reason of anything found in the act, but solely because the colored race chooses to put that construction upon it.

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At the same time, America was making new strides abroad. In the 1890s, America's armies had run out of parts of the continent to conquer. Instead, in 1898, America drove Spain out of Cuba and puerto Rico, and on the other side of the world, America's navy took the Philippines and Guam from Spain. That, ironically, made America a colonial power with 10 million subjects.

Jason Palmer (17:08)

The great fundamental issue now before our people shall be stinking freedom, it feels. Are the american people fit to govern themselves, to rule themselves, to control them? I believe they are my opponents do not. I believe in the right of the people to it.

Narrator/Historian (17:26)

In 1901, Teddy Roosevelt came to power after the assassination of the previous president, William mckinley. Under the new president, a rotund and mustachioed man, expansionism grew. The economist at the time, the record

Jason Palmer (17:46)

of Mr. Theodore Roosevelt, who under the Constitution becomes President until March 1905 as politician, as soldier in the Spanish war, and as governor of New York, is acknowledged to be most excellent. But there is an impression that he is unusually masterful, that he is inclined to jinguism, that he holds to the policy known as that of the Monroe doctrine with extreme tenacity, and that he is especially antagonistic to great britain.

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Roosevelt also flexed his muscles at home, clashing with big business. The press called him the trust buster. But he proved weak in the face of a financial crisis in 1907, when a group of bankers led by J.P. morgan agreed to provide emergency liquidity. President Roosevelt fell silent in his criticism. These events would eventually lead to the creation of a central bank modernizing America's financial system. For all the change, modernization only went so far. Under Roosevelt, immigration restrictions became tighter and segregation more entrenched. We'll see you back next time for our next chapter, liberalism under siege.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (19:27)

During COVID we saw a drift away from cinema and people started to watch everything on their phones or on their televisions at home. But it's the film lineup that will bring people back, and we're seeing that happen now in spades.

Jason Palmer (19:42)

Alexandra Sewich Bass is our culture editor.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (19:45)

2026 is expected to be a really exciting year, and it's not just for the reasons you'd expect of big franchises with characters people are familiar with. In fact, we're seeing a lot of original films come out in the sci fi genre. Some people have even called 2026 the year of sci fi, with more than 20 big titles releasing.

Narrator/Historian (20:07)

If you found out we weren't alone,

Alexandra Sewich Bass (20:10)

one from Steven Spielberg with UFOs, would that frighten you? Good morning Deep.

Greg Karlstrom (20:18)

The more I fight the quiet, the

Alexandra Sewich Bass (20:21)

more I We have a new Dune and of course a Star Wars. And so it's a very exciting time. If you're a sci fi fan and even if you don't consider yourself one, you might be drawn to the cinema. And that's perhaps why Project Hail Mary is sweeping the box office.

Jason Palmer (20:42)

So I met an alien.

Greg Karlstrom (20:44)

He's kind of growing on me.

Jason Palmer (20:45)

At least he's not growing in me,

Alexandra Sewich Bass (20:46)

you know, and actually the bestseller list for fiction as well.

Jason Palmer (20:54)

Now I have to tell you, Alexander, I have just seen this movie and I would put it in this sort of sci fi grates and so on. But you're saying that's tapping into something bigger than itself.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (21:03)

Yes, I think the theme balancing nihilism and end of the world doomsday scenario with hope is very appealing to people. But it's the leading film in a broader trend of people being attracted to these original stories. The mind stretching quality of good sci fi. I'd compare Project Hail Mary with Ted, that film with a foul talking teddy bear that was a bromance combined with ET Set in space. So it's bringing some pop cultural references and familiar types of films together.

Jason Palmer (21:40)

So I guess we should say what it's about before we go any further, trying to avoid any spoilers. Basically about a guy sent on a save the universe mission and ends up making an alien buddy along the way. Amazing Maze.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (21:51)

Amazing Rocky.

Jason Palmer (21:52)

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Alexandra Sewich Bass (21:54)

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Jason Palmer (21:55)

How is that sort of landing with audiences.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (21:58)

I don't think anyone necessarily anticipated it to be such a hit. But it's opening weekend in North America alone was the top grossing film. It fetched $80 million at the box office. I saw it midweek to a packed theater in Paris and so it's really attracting audiences and critics seem to love it. It has a very high Rotten Tomatoes score. It's helped by Ryan Gosling, who's really good in this role. I had always thought of him as a pretty boy from Barbie. He is actually quite a serious actor and really pulls this off.

Jason Palmer (22:31)

It has to be said that putting aside his absolute good looks, he's not an actual standard superhero character in this film.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (22:39)

He wasn't as brave as you would expect a hero of a film to be. And I think it was a really interesting choice on the part of Andy Weir and also the filmmakers. To emphasize his own doubts about his qualification for the mission, I found him to be a very relatable character. My only hesitation with it is it's really long, about two and a half hours.

Jason Palmer (23:01)

I did feel it got a little bit long, but I couldn't put a finger on where exactly it should have been cut, I suppose.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (23:08)

Well, I looked at my watch at 1 hour and 15 minutes and had kind of an oh, no view, realizing that I was only halfway through. But maybe you were a bit more enthusiastic than I.

Jason Palmer (23:18)

That does not sound like a recommendation, Alexandra.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (23:21)

No, I think this. It's an interesting movie and clearly the world disagrees with me and is more in the camp of you because you really liked it, right?

Jason Palmer (23:30)

I really did, yeah.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (23:31)

What appealed to you about it?

Jason Palmer (23:32)

I think what you were saying earlier about the balancing. Complete nihilism. It's all going to hell in a handbasket with ah, but maybe we shall be saved is part of it. And then it kind of becomes, I wouldn't say a trope of a buddy movie, but very much a buddy movie that was emotionally affecting.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (23:47)

Yes. Yeah. And I think some of the themes, you know, a climate crisis, we're about to enter an ice age. How much can you befriend someone who's completely different from you? Where you think that there aren't links. It resonated with some of our considerations as a society right now.

Jason Palmer (24:03)

And it has to be said that on balance, films are getting longer. This isn't way out of whack with what we're seeing.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (24:09)

No. We've done some data analysis, the Economist to that effect. Some of this is auteur driven films where you have Christopher Nolan, who wants to tell us about Oppenheimer, and it's impossible to cut from his perspective and audiences are willing to go through the journey. I do think it allows for character development and we really feel like we're there with grace. The main character as he's trying to contemplate whether he has any exit. And so length there to a certain extent helps. I think it's a pacing question. I think it asks a lot of audiences to stay there for so many moments. And then I felt like the intense parts where you see the plot shift that really rushed and so you had to really suspend your disbelief. I understand we're in sci fi, so there's a certain amount that you have to be willing to accept. But I didn't feel like everything was fully explained that needed explanation.

Jason Palmer (25:08)

I wonder though, if it's the year of sci fi and this is another film that's come out of a book, is that a furrow that will be plowed now? Lots of sci fi books being turned into films on this kind of grand scale.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (25:20)

I think that's a great question. And of course, I mentioned how well project Hail Mary the book is now doing because the film is such a hit. So there's a virtuous circle that comes about with film releases. We've also seen people attracted to dystopian fiction. I think there is something about people wanting to see some thematic parallels with our world, but searching for an escape and what is going to the cinema but a two or three hour long escape? So I think there's a few factors that are driving people to both themes like this and then experiences like this out of the hall. But I think there's definitely gonna be more of them in 2026.

Jason Palmer (25:59)

Well, see you in the cinema then, Alexandra. For now, thanks very much for your time.

Alexandra Sewich Bass (26:03)

Looking forward to it, Jason. Thank you.

Rosie Blore (26:28)

That's it for this episode of the Intelligence. See you back here tomorrow.

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