215: On Severance, The White Lotus, Lana del Rey (Feat. Loren Kramar)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Every Outfit Episode 215 – On Severance, The White Lotus, Lana del Rey (Feat. Loren Kramar)

Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garroni
Release Date: April 4, 2025
Guest: Loren Kramar
Podcast Description: Every Outfit is a weekly show blending fashion and pop culture commentary, hosted by Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garroni. Known for their sharp fashion insights, the duo delves into various aspects of popular culture with humor and depth.

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1. Opening Banter and Technical Glitches ([00:04] - [01:10])

The episode kicks off with Chelsea and Lauren addressing minor technical difficulties, humorously attributing the chaos to Mercury being in retrograde. Chelsea quips, “I spent $40,000 on shoes” ([00:04]), setting a light-hearted tone. They joke about their lack of audio engineering skills, lamenting the challenge of balancing content creation with technical woes.

2. Skims Los Angeles Store Opening ([01:12] - [03:45])

Chelsea and Lauren share their excitement about attending the Skims Los Angeles store opening. Chelsea describes the store as “very curvy, very beige” ([01:28]) and praises the mannequins for showcasing extreme body diversity in a “Kardashian proportion way” ([01:53]). They highlight the store’s influence on the Sunset Strip, mentioning nearby luxury boutiques like Supreme and H. Lorenzo, anticipating a resurgence in the area’s popularity ([02:22]).

3. Transformation of Mel’s Diner ([03:13] - [04:10])

The hosts discuss Mel's Diner’s makeover by Skims, emphasizing its all-beige aesthetic and Skims branding. Chelsea remarks, “Everything was beige. Everything had Skims branding” ([03:45]), while Lauren humorously relates to feeling out of place, likening her experience to Leslie Mann’s character in Knocked Up ([04:10]). They reflect on living within their Los Angeles bubble, recognizing the Instagram-driven culture dominating the city ([04:17]).

4. April Fool’s Day Reflections ([13:38] - [14:22])

After a brief advertisement break, Chelsea emphasizes the overuse of April Fool’s Day pranks in the digital age, stating, “we don’t need more fake news” ([13:38]). Both hosts express frustration over deceptive pranks causing confusion, especially when significant news, like actor deaths, are falsely announced ([14:10]).

5. Pop Culture News ([14:22] - [31:25])

a. Val Kilmer’s Death ([05:17] - [07:21])

The announcement of Val Kilmer’s passing shocks the hosts. Lauren confirms, “Val Kilmer died” ([05:24]), leading to heartfelt condolences. Chelsea mentions Kilmer’s memorable roles, though admitting limited familiarity with his full filmography ([06:07]). They reminisce about his performances, suggesting “The Saint” and “Kiss Kiss Bang Bang” for listeners ([07:21]).

b. Tarantino’s Sequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood ([07:29] - [11:17])

A purported sequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, reportedly written by Quentin Tarantino and directed by David Fincher, becomes a topic of skepticism. Lauren critiques Tarantino’s self-imposed rule to limit himself to ten films, questioning the logic behind not returning to filmmaking despite his passion ([10:56]).

Chelsea counters, suggesting experienced directors like Martin Scorsese could challenge Tarantino’s stance on aging and creativity ([11:06]). They debate the feasibility and creative implications of such a project, ultimately dismissing it as unrealistic ([11:17]).

6. Sex and the City Updates ([14:22] - [16:58])

a. Sarah Jessica Parker Turns 60 ([14:31] - [15:08])

Chelsea announces Sarah Jessica Parker’s 60th birthday, reminiscing about her iconic 40th celebration at the Plaza ([15:01]). They reflect on Parker and Matthew Broderick’s status as a power couple in the late '90s, likening their cultural influence to royalty in New York ([15:08]).

b. Kim Cattrall’s Charlotte Tilbury Campaign ([15:44] - [17:27])

The hosts discuss Kim Cattrall becoming the face of Charlotte Tilbury’s Pillow Talk campaign. Lauren highlights the campaign’s aesthetic, noting the heart-shaped blush compacts and Kim’s adept British accent portrayal ([16:23]). Chelsea praises the attention the campaign garners, tying it to Kim’s viral appeal from the Skims campaign ([17:09]).

7. The White Lotus Analysis ([21:18] - [29:01])

a. General Impressions ([21:18] - [22:10])

Chelsea and Lauren provide an in-depth analysis of The White Lotus. Lauren initially felt vindicated as the show delivered unexpected plot twists despite early pacing criticisms ([22:10]). They discuss their favorites and less favored storylines, such as the character “Guy Talk” and the Southern dad subplot ([22:27], [23:09]).

b. Character Dynamics ([23:22] - [29:01])

The hosts delve into character development, praising Patrick Schwarzenegger’s performance ([23:39]). They explore the moral compass of characters, highlighting how Mike White creates unlikable yet complex personas. Lauren criticizes the superficial portrayal of friendships, while Chelsea appreciates the depth added to the brothers’ incest storyline ([23:50], [23:53], [25:40]). They discuss plot resolutions and character arcs, emphasizing the show's brilliance in subverting expectations ([28:13], [29:01]).

8. Severance Discussion ([29:47] - [37:05])

a. Season Review ([29:47] - [32:16])

Chelsea confesses limited understanding of Severance episodes but remains captivated by the show's mystery ([29:47]). Lauren shares struggles with the show’s complex narrative, likening it to an accidental placement in an AP trig class ([30:12]). They discuss subreddit debates and fan theories, pondering the show's financial aspects and implications of the severance procedure ([30:28], [32:16]).

b. Plot and Character Analysis ([32:39] - [37:05])

The hosts analyze key plot points, such as the off-site retreat and character motivations. Chelsea points out the show’s gripping nature despite initial episode confusion ([31:58]). Lauren raises questions about the company’s operations and financial sustainability, while Chelsea muses about the potential military applications of severance ([32:39], [34:04]). They critique specific episodes, lauding Patrick Schwarzenegger’s monologues and character developments ([34:31], [35:12], [35:39], [37:05]).

9. The Studio Show Review ([37:15] - [44:06])

Lauren introduces The Studio, a new Seth Rogen-led Apple TV show about a struggling Hollywood movie studio. Both hosts express mixed feelings, praising the show’s aesthetic while critiquing its dialogue for lacking authenticity ([38:08], [38:40]). Chelsea highlights the show’s architectural beauty, though she questions its grounding in real Hollywood dynamics ([39:05], [39:40]). They discuss character portrayals and industry parallels, noting Seth Rogen’s role within the show ([40:21], [44:06]).

10. Guest Appearance: Loren Kramar ([47:56] - [96:22])

a. Beatles Film Project ([48:30] - [57:05])

Loren Kramar, a musician and artist, joins the podcast to discuss Sam Mendes’ ambitious Beatles biopic project. The project’s plan to release four interconnected films in April 2028, each focusing on a different Beatle, sparks both excitement and skepticism. Chelsea envisions binge-watching the films, while Lauren humorously critiques the casting choices, questioning the alignment of actors like Barry Keoghan and Harris Dickinson with their respective Beatles counterparts ([50:25], [53:02], [56:07]).

b. Lauren’s EP – "Living Legend" ([67:12] - [84:25])

Loren shares insights into her new EP, consisting of Lana del Rey covers. She recounts the origin of the project, starting with a live soundtrack for a fashion show and evolving into a personal collection of “bitchy” covers ([67:40], [68:55]). The hosts express admiration for Loren’s interpretations, particularly her rendition of “Hope is a Dangerous Thing for a Woman Like Me to Have” ([69:03], [72:11]). They delve into the creative process, discussing Lana del Rey’s intricate references and the emotional depth of her songs ([70:19], [74:20]).

c. Vogue World Event ([86:47] - [95:45])

Chelsea recounts attending the Vogue World event at the Chateau Marmont, highlighting interactions with fashion legends like Colleen Atwood and Ariane Phillips. The event, centered around film and costume design, left Chelsea and Loren starstruck. They speculate on the nature of Vogue World, musing over its format and purpose, while sharing humorous anecdotes about navigating the high-profile gathering ([86:47], [88:25], [94:10], [95:45]).

d. Fashion Industry Insights ([77:00] - [84:25])

The conversation shifts to high-level fashion industry shifts, discussing Proenza Schouler’s leadership changes and the potential impacts on brands like Loewe and Dries Van Noten. Chelsea and Lauren express nostalgia for iconic designers and debate the future direction of luxury fashion houses, blending their personal preferences with industry rumors ([78:02], [80:01], [81:56]).

11. Closing Remarks and Musical Outro ([96:01] - End)

As the episode draws to a close, Loren performs an emotional rendition of “Hope is a Dangerous Thing for a Woman Like Me to Have,” encapsulating the episode’s blend of personal storytelling and cultural critique ([96:07] - [101:59]). The hosts express gratitude to Loren, encouraging listeners to support her EP and tease future episodes during Chelsea’s upcoming maternity leave ([96:19], [96:54]).

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Notable Quotes:

• Chelsea Fairless: “I spent $40,000 on shoes.” ([00:04])

• Lauren Garroni: “Not an earworm” – referring to her favorite song from Lauren’s EP ([63:09])

• Chelsea Fairless: “Hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have. But I have it.” ([96:07])

• Guest Speaker (Loren Kramar): Performs an emotional rendition of “Hope is a Dangerous Thing for a Woman Like Me to Have” ([96:01] - End)

Conclusion

In Episode 215 of Every Outfit, Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garroni navigate a rich tapestry of topics ranging from high-end fashion events and pop culture tragedies to deep dives into acclaimed TV series like The White Lotus and Severance. Their engaging dialogue, punctuated with humor and insightful critiques, offers listeners a comprehensive exploration of the intersection between fashion and popular media. The guest appearance by Loren Kramar adds a personal touch, blending musical artistry with industry commentary. Whether discussing the feasibility of Quentin Tarantino’s hypothetical sequel or dissecting the nuanced performances in The White Lotus, the hosts maintain a lively and informative conversation that captivates both fashion aficionados and pop culture enthusiasts alike.

Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

I spent $40,000 on shoes.

[Lauren Garoni]

What's the matter, Morty? Great gowns.

[Guest Speaker]

Beautiful gowns.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, it hasn't. Hi, I'm Lauren Garoni.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garoni]

And welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. Chelsea, you've witnessed in the last few minutes. I've been going through it, and if there was any question that Mercury is in retrograde, it is indeed in retrograde because we've had some technical issues prior to recording.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't know what's worse being you who has to deal with the technical aspects of recording, or being me, who has to deal with your energy as you deal with the technical aspects of recording.

[Lauren Garoni]

We almost needed Paul to step in to be the producer of this episode. Well, I think the origin of this issue is the fact that neither of us are technically proficient in audio engineering.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's that.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, guys, let's get into it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Well, I feel like we don't have much to catch up on because I just saw you.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is true. We were graciously invited to the Skims Los Angeles store opening. It turns out if you yap about something enough on your podcast, they will invite you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it was a dream for to Kardashaholics such as ourselves. The store was very curvy, very beige. And I love the fact that the mannequins had such extreme proportions. Like, there was one that looked like you straight up, but then there was another one that looked like Selma Blair's character in A Dirty Shame.

[Lauren Garoni]

There was body diversity, but in the most Kardashian proportion way possible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm just glad that this store is there because we love the Sunset Strip. We love Sunset Plaza, which is the part of the Sunset Strip where this store is located. And I really would like to see this part of the Strip have a resurgence, and I feel like it will. Between the skim store, the Supreme Store is down the block. H. Lorenzo is across the street, which is one of the better luxury boutiques in la. And of course, the Oppenheim Group, which.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know if you noticed, but the fake hedges that they have up usually were down. And I'm like, does that mean they are filming or they're not filming? I think they have those fake hedges up in front of the windows while they're filming, because so many people take selfies in front of that office. I don't know if you saw, but a restaurant on the Sunset Plaza called Le Petit 4 is closing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So sad. I mean, I've been there twice. So I clearly was not actively supporting this restaurant either. But I am sad that it's gone.

[Lauren Garoni]

It is sad. However, the restaurant was not too good to begin with. And I say this as someone who has been eating there for 30 years. It's been there forever. But if we can just get one cool restaurant to not open in the Arts District and instead open on Sunset Plaza.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But the thing is, I want a French restaurant. There aren't enough French restaurants in weho. It's all Italian. Same with Beverly Hills. Anywho, I think the thing that we were more excited about than going into the skim store itself was the fact that they transformed Mel's Diner, which is right next door. It's an iconic 24 hour diner. They, like Kim Kardashian, ified it. So everything was beige. Everything had skims branding, sugar packets, ketchup, all of it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Each table has a jukebox and they had a skims branded page on the jukebox. We did not partake in that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

God is in the details, you know.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I'm glad we didn't put in a few quarters and play the music we wanted to play. Because going to the skims event, I did have that moment. I felt like Leslie Mann in Knocked up where I was like, am I too old to be here?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think it's about age. I think it's about the fact that you're very pregnant. But it's not like we were at the club.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's true. But this event made me realize that we live in our own Los Angeles bubble. And for most of my day to day activities, I forget about the Instagram thoughts that really dominate this city.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yeah, you're not spending that much time at EPLP drinking Margs on the Roof.

[Lauren Garoni]

Did you notice this, Chelsea? This event made me aware that there is a new genre of Instagram face. Like Instagram face really has been dominated by a Kardashian adjacent aesthetic. When we were eating at Mel's Drive in, or I guess Skim's Drive In. Yeah, I didn't realize that there's a new genre of Instagram face that has Eastside aesthetics. Like a bunch of girls walked in that had fillers, had Botox drinks. No shame. I got that stuff too. Although with pregnancy, that's the first thing to go. No Botox, but they all look like Gracie Abrams.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Well, it's also because everyone is cutting their hair now, and that includes the Kardashians.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's right. Everyone has a cunty bob.

[Chelsea Fairless]

While we were eating at the Skims diner, we did learn about two bombshell pop culture news events. Firstly, the death of Val Kilmer. RIP King.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is true. This was also difficult because the event was on April Fool's Day. At first it was hard to believe that these things were actually happening, but my good friend Kayla sent me the New York Times obit about Val Kilmer passing away and I didn't say anything. I just showed it to you and you gasped and you went, lauren, I am so sorry for your loss. I did get another condolence from a fuckette. So I guess my my love of Val Kilmer has been well documented on this podcast. I did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You talk about Val Kilmer all the time. I mean, I love Heat and Batman Forever as much as the next person, but I wouldn't say I've seen a ton of his movies.

[Lauren Garoni]

I love a Kilmer deep cut like Kill Me Again, co starring John Grease, who plays Gary Greg on the White Lotus.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Never seen that one.

[Lauren Garoni]

It is, to be fair, hard to find. I just looked it up because I was like, I would like to watch that again. You would have to download the app Pluto TV to get access to it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What kind of viruses does that come with?

[Lauren Garoni]

But obviously I would say his most well known roles beyond Jim Morrison and the Doors would be Doc Holliday in Tombstone. As you said, Chris Shaherlis in Heat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

These are all movies where I can't tell any of the men apart, especially Tombstone.

[Lauren Garoni]

They all have the, the mustaches. It's tough. Which one's Sam Elliott? Which one's Kurt Russell? I bet you didn't even know Bill Paxton was in that movie. But yeah, he died obviously way too young. But he will live on in his movies. And if I could make two suggestions, Chelsea, I know the Saint isn't your favorite film, but I think more people should watch the Saint.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Saint is not a good movie. Oh, don't do him dirty by recommending his worst movie, their worst movie.

[Lauren Garoni]

But may I recommend Kiss Kiss Bang Bang? If you like neo noir satires written by the man that wrote Lethal Weapon. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is perfect and it also stars Michelle Monaghan from this season of the White Lotus. I think it goes without saying I will be watching the Saint tonight.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The other thing that we learned about, which we both immediately thought had to be an April Fool's joke, was this sequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood that will be written by Quentin Tarantino and directed by David Fincher and.

[Lauren Garoni]

Will be airing on Netflix. This was the perfect alchemy of a great cinephile April Fool's joke, because Quentin Tarantino, other than, I guess if you want to consider Kill Bill a sequel, has never written a sequel to something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Kill Bill is definitely a sequel.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, no, he originally wanted the films to be one, and Harvey Weinstein made him split into two.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I understand, but it has part two in the title.

[Lauren Garoni]

I understand that, but he didn't wholesale write a sequel after the first film came out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I get what you're saying, Chelsea.

[Lauren Garoni]

Val Kilmer died. I'm going through a really rough time right now. And Also, other than Alien 3, which is David Fincher's directorial debut, he's never directed a sequel either.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's bizarre to me because I don't associate David Fincher with comedy on any level. And I know that Tarantino has a lot of range in that regard. Like all these films are comedies and dramas and action movies, et cetera. But his worldview to me makes it hard for me to imagine what this could be.

[Lauren Garoni]

And it seems like this film is Potentially the scrapped 10th Tarantino film that was called the Movie Critic, which from reports the script followed a film critic who wrote for a porn magazine. And then it was rumored that Brad Pitt would play a version of his Once Upon a Time in Hollywood character, Cliff Booth, who, according to Tarantino's novelization. I don't know if you know this, Chelsea. Tarantino wrote a novelization continuing the life of Cliff Booth, who was revealed to be quite the movie buff himself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I actually did buy that, but I never read it.

[Lauren Garoni]

So it is believed that David Fincher is directing this script that Tarantino decided not to make. Do you know why he decided not to make it, Chelsea? Because of this insane thing that Tarantino has a self imposed rule that he's only gonna make 10 movies. And he said this like 12 years ago when he was on his sixth or seventh film. And now it's come to the time for him to make his 10th film and he will not pull the trigger. And I find this so hilarious because it's not a DGA rule that they kick you out of the industry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, like, how many farewell tours has Elton John done? No one's gonna hold you to that.

[Lauren Garoni]

But his whole reasoning of why he only wants to make 10 movies, at least at the time, was the older a filmmaker gets, Martin Scorsese notwithstanding, their films are not as good. So people have, of course, asked him when he's going to make this 10th film, and he goes, well, it might be 10 years from now and it's like. But that negates your whole point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, some people make their best movies when they're old. To me, the fact that he's done this to himself seems self hating. It's ageist and it makes no sense.

[Lauren Garoni]

And clearly he's backed himself in a corner where he now can't be like, hey, guys, I said that when I was in my 50s. Now that I'm in my 60s, you know what, I'm just gonna let it ride.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think that people's movies sometimes get worse as they age. It's because they become more enmeshed in Hollywood and they maybe don't have their finger on the pulse of the culture anymore because they're not young and hungry, etc. But I think of Quentin Tarantino as being someone who's an extremely passionate person. And I don't think that goes away just because he ages.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Also side note, before we move on, we have to end April Fool's Day because in, because it made sense at a certain point in time. But now that we live online in this culture of fake news and false and misinformation constantly circulating just on an average day, we don't need more of that. And also it would be one thing if people were doing really smart, well crafted April Fool's Day jokes, but I haven't found that to be the case.

[Lauren Garoni]

And as we've learned with this most recent April Fools, when very consequential news drops like one of your favorite actors passing away, I don't want to question if that's real or not.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, we should also mention Chell and I are going to talk about some pop culture stuff. But later in the show we will be joined by our friend Lauren Kramer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, he's going to talk about about his new Lana Del Rey record and some other music news. But first we must discuss some Sex and the City news. Starting with the fact that Sarah Jessica Parker is 60 years old.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sorry, 60 years young you mean.

[Chelsea Fairless]

60 years young.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. I look forward for the inevitable AARP storyline and in Just like that, season three.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's crazy though. Where does the time go?

[Lauren Garoni]

I do feel like it was just yesterday when she had her 40th birthday at the Plaza. Do you remember this?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Lauren Garoni]

There was a time at the apex of Sex and the City's popularity and right when it ended, where Matthew Broderick and Sarah Jessica Parker really were the royal family of New York. Like I think it was batches that recently posted about how when she gave birth to her first child, she presented the child outside of the hospital like Kate Middleton or Princess Diana.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, so nuts. But yeah, they were the power couple because he was also in the producers at the time. So those were the cultural things that really defined New York in the late 90s, early 2000s.

[Lauren Garoni]

But I have this memory and I went back and I looked and I'm not incorrect. That quite like her presenting her firstborn. There are all these paparazzi photos of her leaving her brownstone with Matthew Broderick in in white tie as they went to the plaza for her 40th birthday. Seems like she probably had a more low key 60th birthday.

[Chelsea Fairless]

In other news, Kim Cattrall is the new face of Charlotte Tilbury's Pillow Talk campaign. Pillow Talk is of course their most iconic and popular lipstick shade. But they've released all these blushes in little heart shaped compacts. It's very like Sailor Moon adjacent.

[Lauren Garoni]

When I watched the accompanying video for this product line that features Kim, I was like, ooh, do you think this was meant for Valentine's Day? And there was like some issue and they had to drop it a month later.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, it's very blush centric, very pink.

[Lauren Garoni]

As I said. Kim Cattrall is in this video with Charlotte Tilbury promoting the line. Kim Cattrall seems to be reprising her role of Annabelle Bronstein in the dad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Some people chase love, but I chase the glow, not fleas.

[Guest Speaker]

Hi, Charlotte's will be speaking.

[Lauren Garoni]

Charlotte, I'm looking for love.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Where shall I glow? I'm at a crossroads.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, darling, Pillow Talk is your beauty shortcut to love. It puts the look of love in your eyes, a love blush on your cheeks and a naughty kiss on your lips.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I need those soft, pretty flattering pink lights. Charlotte, darling, this is a beautifying filter that blurs all the lines.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who needs a man when you've got Pillow Talk?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I love the Annabelle Bronstein voice.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's so funny too, because Kim Cattrall can do a very good British accent because she grew up there. What I love about this ad too, because it's a back and forth with Kim and Charlotte Tilbury is they're clearly shot in separate rooms. But the way that it is edited and how Kim just starts going deeper and deeper into a British accent as this commercial goes on. The more she hears Charlotte Tilbury, the more she's like, I got to mimic what I'm hearing here for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I thought that that was smart of them. I think it's been proven that Kim Cattrall especially has a lot of viral appeal. We saw that with the Skims campaign also. And it seems like whenever she does do a campaign like this, it gets a lot of attention.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who will pick up Kim next? I mean, it's only a matter of she enters like Shondaland or the Ryan Murphy verse.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Meanwhile, Cynthia Nixon on the COVID of Numero Netherlands.

[Lauren Garoni]

You said it all in the Instagram caption that Tilda Swinton really did pop out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, because they put her in all of these like very insane red wigs and like very sculptural, austere clothing. But I think it's cool because like Tilda, Cynthia has a androgynous quality that she can dip into that is very conducive to a lot of fashion. Not a lot of people could pull these kinds of clothes off, but she does.

[Lauren Garoni]

Clearly this is not how she dresses in her day to day life, but it's a Persona that she willingly takes on and loves to take on in editorial photo shoots, which I appreciate because it's not like we're going to get these looks at end just like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And it also owes a lot to David Bowie as well.

[Lauren Garoni]

Whenever Cynthia dips into David Bowie's sartorial past, it's always a good move.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She also walked in a benefit fashion show in New York for Mother Daughter Holy Spirit, which is a fashion based fundraising project for the Trans justice funding project. And a bunch of cool people walked in the show. Alex Khonsani, Julio Torres, Richie, Shazam, et cetera. So she was with all the it girls and also Madonna went to the show. So Madonna watched her do her walk.

[Lauren Garoni]

So does this mean that the end just like that press promo is starting, does this mean that we're getting a trailer for and just like that, season three? I'm genuinely asking because Chelsea and I are in the dark, guys. I'm not trying to be coy or funny.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, the magazine cover, you mean? I'm like, I'm pretty sure she just walked in this show because she is a huge advocate for the trans community.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is my prediction. If we're going to get it in just like that trailer, I feel like it's going to come off of the season finale of the White Lotus.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. I think they're waiting for White Lotus to end so that they can announce this because they filmed the show so long ago, which is strange for us because with the previous two seasons they were like still filming when the first episode came out practically.

[Lauren Garoni]

I love that I don't have my hospital bag ready to go, but like I have a whole podcast kit ready to go if we need to record our reaction to this trailer at a drop of the hat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. Which I know is going to happen like the second I land in Greece.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh yeah, guys, Chelsea's going to Greece.

[Chelsea Fairless]

My sister in law just had a baby and she lives in Athens. So if anyone has wrecks, send them my way.

[Lauren Garoni]

Me and Greece.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we move on to some television?

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I think it's a good time to check in with some shows. Some shows we've been watching have ended. Some have just begun. We are not going to talk about yellow jackets just yet because so much time has gone on that Chell and I have just decided that when the season ends, we will do a big VIP episode and dive into it all.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Have you not watched any of it yet?

[Lauren Garoni]

I may have stopped after a few episodes. It's. Don't give me that look.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, no, it's. It's fine. This is a real what nourishes me, destroys me season. To quote Angelina Jolie's iconic tattoo. Like, it's. It's hard. Although I would say that I think episode four and five, I think, are the ones that I thought were quite good.

[Lauren Garoni]

Here's the problem I find myself in is I was like, ooh, when Chelsea goes to Greece, I will just binge the season. But the vibe I'm getting from you is this is not a bingeable season. This is something you need to watch week to week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think it's bingeable. I just think it's not as good as the previous two seasons. And the adult timeline, especially, has gone off the rails. But anyway, we will revisit that later. This isn't on the dock, but I do want to have a little white lotus check in.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's right. We haven't spoken about it since we dived into the first few episodes on a VIP episode last month. But I personally feel vindicated in the sense that I know a lot of people were complaining early in the season how boring it was, the pacing, and I was team, let's just trust Mike White. And it has certainly delivered a lot of surprises thus far. To be fair, couple storylines I could do without, but that's what's gonna happen with an ensemble.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I assume you're talking about guy talk.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, the wannabe bodyguard. I could do without this storyline. I'm also talking about the Southern dad who I'm like, at this point, just kill yourself, please.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, see, that family is my favorite plotline, the whole fam. And of course, the brothers. The incest situation with the brothers, I think, has been the most shocking and satisfying part of the show.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I think the genius of Mike White is presenting a very unlikable character, as he did with Patrick Schwarzenegger, only for it to be revealed that he is maybe the most normal and has the best moral compass of the cast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Patrick Schwarzenegger's acting in the Morning after episode was exceptional. Give him the Emmy. Give him the Golden Globe. He's fucking great.

[Lauren Garoni]

Guess what? We need to take back all that Nepo baby stuff.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I never said shit. And sometimes I think having a little bit of pedigree isn't a bad thing when it comes to playing a character like this.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think that also because Mike White consumes television the way that a viewer does. You know, he's not siloed and just. Just writing what he likes. The way that he's been able to subvert our expectations of even the reveal of this side character of Sam Rockwell that pops up in the last few episodes, which is so obvious. I mean, at least for me, because I know that he's the. The long term partner of Leslie Bibb. I'm like, of course he up in this season.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So good. Whatever those two episodes were, I think were the strongest. The ones in the middle, the one with the Sam Rockwell monologue, which honestly, I hope people start doing this in acting classes.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's someone's Juilliard monologue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. And the episode following that also. Can we talk about my greatest love, Amylou Wood? I think Shelley Duvall has been reincarnated potentially.

[Lauren Garoni]

I love that she's also bringing back wonky teeth.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She just has it, whatever it is. And I loved her on sex education also.

[Lauren Garoni]

Absolutely. I don't know about you, Chelsea, but I do find the most unbelievable thing about this season is that you just instantly make a bestie on vacation as Amylou Wood is with this chick.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I love that sometimes you make a bestie on vacation. I've definitely met people on vacation that I'm still in touch with.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, that's cute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I feel that because of her boyfriend's actions, she may not be able to return to the White Lotus Resort in Thailand, and they may never be able to be friends again, which makes me sad.

[Lauren Garoni]

Gary slash Greg. Can we just get into Belinda for a second? Because I am sorry. The predicament that she finds herself in with Gary Greg, she absolutely brought on herself. Why would you point out this person and insist that you know him or he knows you?

[Chelsea Fairless]

And now he's offered her $100,000 in exchange for her silence. Sorry for anyone that's not caught up and she is contemplating refusing it. Girl, you have to take that so you don't get murdered. This isn't about morals. This is about you continuing to walk.

[Lauren Garoni]

This earth because we know the structure of The White Lotus. You knew Jennifer Coolidge for a week, and she got your hopes up and kind of fucked you with starting a new business. She shouldn't take the hundred thousand because she should counter for a quarter of a million and call it a day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She should counter, she should leave Thailand, and then she could report him to the authorities if she wanted to. She knows where he lives anyway. I'm so invested in this show. How have we not mentioned the trio that has been such a delight to watch? It's just such a testament to how brilliant Mike White is as a writer that he was able to identify the dynamic that happens when one of your friends tells you to flirt with someone, only to then fuck them. Because that is a type of person that exists in this world and we all know them. But I thought it was the kind of thing that, like, only girls knew about and, like, a man wouldn't be privy to.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, even beyond that, it is maybe the most accurate portrayal of a female friendship trio over time. I always think of the John Mulaney joke where he's talking about how there could never be a female Ocean's Eleven. This is before Ocean's came out, of course, because two women would just break off and talk shit about the other women. As ungenerous as that is, it is kind of true, especially when it's an odd number. I feel like an even group of women, it does even out. But, like, the fact that there's always going to be two against one potentially. I mean, everyone gets it in equal measures. I have to say, acting wise, Leslie Bibb is the strongest out of the three. I mean, it revealed all in her face, right? And subtext, not in the text. Does she ever implicitly say she's a Trump voter? But the realization that Carrie Coon and Michelle Monahan have when they realize, like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, no, they make us dislike the Leslie Bibb character for that reason only to reveal that she's actually the least crazy of all of them. And now we're sliding with her. Or at least I am.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I'm Carrie Coonhive to the end.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. But I feel like the last episode was so genius because Michelle Moynihan basically said to her, like, girl, you make bad decisions. And then within the episode, within that night, it was kind of proven, like, yeah, you actually do.

[Lauren Garoni]

If you said to me, what was it? Is it that you make bad decisions or you just always get the short end of the stick?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was also that you're consistently disappointed. And we all know that person as well. And at a point, I do think it does merit a bit of criticism.

[Lauren Garoni]

Look, everything's so strong. We obviously haven't talked about Parker Posey. What more can we add to this conversation? She's brilliant, she's one of the greats, and I'm on her side. Why does her daughter want to be there?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Popper. No, that's pretty good. Also, where'd your nail go?

[Lauren Garoni]

I lost it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's like, Lauren's nails are so long and so red that having one just short, naked nail in the middle of all that is a real look it's giving.

[Lauren Garoni]

Lesbian.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. What, are you a lesbian now, Popper?

[Lauren Garoni]

No. Okay, shall we get into severance?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Full disclosure, I'm not sure if I have fully understood a single episode of Sever this season, but I have been riveted nonetheless.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, this show consistently makes me feel like I'm in an AP trig class I was accidentally placed in. And I keep going to the teacher being like, hey, hey, I'm not supposed to be here. And the teacher's like, you can't leave.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And it's also one of those situations where I came to Reddit too late to, like, have those questions answered for me. Like, maybe if I had come into this subreddit, like, midway through season one, I could catch up. But now it's like, unless I start from scratch, I'm fucked.

[Lauren Garoni]

While we like and respect the show, I too went to the severance subreddit looking for answers. And there is full, like, turf wars going on based on the perspective you have. Like, if you're a Mark Gemma Stan versus a Mark Helly Stan. Like, you're full on fighting with people on the Internet about this. I was like, could someone just explain the goat? That's all I'm looking for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I guess I'm a Mark Helly Stan, but also Free Gemma. Gemma obviously needs to be rescued. Free her from Sandra Bernhard's clutches.

[Lauren Garoni]

So when we last talked about this season of Severance, we were only a few episodes in. I had voiced my concerns that I was worried that this season was going to be all mysterious world building and no payoff now that the season is over. I don't know how you feel, Chelsea, but I do feel like it stuck the landing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah. I think this show is completely gripping. I didn't have the best reaction to the first episode because I think it did the same exact thing that Yellowjackets did at the beginning of season three, which is that I don't think the Incredible Cliffhanger from the previous season paid off necessarily in the first episode. I feel like it was kind of breezed past, and I feel like that's what happened with Severance. I feel like Severance didn't really come together in this season until the episode where they went on the off site retreat.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know how much time passed in the second season of Severance, but I contend that no one has done a single day of work on the severed floor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What do you mean? Gwendolyn Christie has been hurting all those goats in what looks like the set of a Thom Browne fashion show?

[Lauren Garoni]

I know this is an unanswerable question, but I would love to see Lumen's P and L sheet, because it's like, I'm sorry, you're giving benefits to a 30 person marching band. You've got creepy animatronics that I presume you have a team that has to keep it running. You got 20 people raising goats. Is this a publicly traded company? Because they must be hemorrhaging money.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So what, are they developing the severance procedure for just turning average people into soldiers or something?

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, well, I'm sure you've seen on the Severance subreddit people have a lot of theories.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, what are some of them guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sorry, spoiler alert. Are they bringing Kier's consciousness? Are they basically. Are they doing the thing that everyone said happened with Walt Disney of like, are they trying to reanimate their founder?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. They do seem to be obsessed with him.

[Lauren Garoni]

So do we want to get into high points of the season? Maybe some low points? I really only have one low point, which is, I didn't need episode eight. That's the episode where Patricia Arquette goes on a little side quest to some icy Handmaid Tale esque village. I don't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're right. That did feel like Handmaid's Tale. And frankly, Patricia Arquette's character is quite similar to Ann Dowd's character on the Handmaid's Tale in that they are these complete psychos that have been ruining all these innocent people's lives for years that are finally realizing that. That the evil institution that they work for may not be all it's cracked up to be, you know, and now we're supposed to sympathize with them.

[Lauren Garoni]

And yet Patricia Arquette's character will not drop that halting way that she speaks at all, even though she is not in the confines of Lumens.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, the thing about the Patricia Arquette character is that she was always in a different show. She was in a Tyler Perry or a Ryan Murphy show the whole time and everyone else was in Severance.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To me, Patricia Arquette was insanely campy, and I think maybe they realized that and that's the reason why we didn't get so much of her this year.

[Lauren Garoni]

Do you have another low point for the season?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't, I think think high points. The episode where we got flashbacks to Mark's marriage was quite interesting and satisfying and Mark looked hot in those flashbacks. It made me realize, like, how much they're doing to make him look ugly and sad now.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, have you seen the press photos of Adam Scott and the actress that plays Heli and just. They look like lesbians. Yeah, that might be why you think he's so hot. He is lesbian coded.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. My highlight, I think of the season is John Turturro's acting the whole plotline with Christopher Walken.

[Lauren Garoni]

Severance is a show that isn't necessarily so much as a modern day Twilight Zone, but it's a show built on throuple tension because you have Bert Irving and then Irving's creepy husband. Yeah, you've got Mark, Helly, Gemma. But a high point for me is I feel like nothing captured my imagination more than Dylan's innie versus Dylan's outie and his wife played by Merritt Weaver.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that was the most thruppoly again with Merritt Weaver, with Sandra Bernhard. They're getting the best character actors that exist on this show. And I have thoroughly appreciate that, I guess.

[Lauren Garoni]

Here's my other unanswerable question after watching this season. The show really is built on this premise and this gets to the throuple tension of it all, which is, are our work selves so different from our non work selves? Because the whole storyline is essentially like. At least for Mark, it's like, Inie, Mark loves Helly Audie, Mark loves Gemma. I mean, again, we don't necessarily have a career that we need to be severed for. Although I think for our psyche. If we didn't remember recording this podcast, we'd be much happier for it. I get it. It's the premise that makes the show work. But it's like, is someone's work self that different?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I don't think it's necessarily about your work self. I think that it's just like all of us compartmentalize and have these sort of fractured parts of ourselves that we have to reconcile.

[Lauren Garoni]

Any final thoughts on Severance? Other than when is season three? I hope not two years from now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Final thoughts? Well, When I die, I hope someone makes a melon head of me.

[Lauren Garoni]

I've already been speaking with Edible Arrangements. It's in the works. You don't have to wait. It's happening for your birthday this year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, that would actually be a great April Fool's joke from Severance and Edible Arrangements.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, shall we talk about my new favorite show, the studio?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know how you feel about this show. I don't know if the show even would have a wide appeal, but for film sickos that have lived in Los Angeles their entire lives, this show is for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it has to have a wide appeal because it looks so expensive to make. I. I'm torn about the studio after watching the first few episodes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. For those who don't know what the studio is about, it is the new Seth Rogen show that is on Apple TV. It follows, according to IMDb. I'll just read this log line follows a legacy Hollywood movie studio striving to survive in a world where it is increasingly difficult for art and business to live together. Seth Rogen plays Matt Remick, the new head of Continental Studios, which seems to be a version of Paramount or Sony. So you had mixed feelings about it. I would love to hear this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I will keep watching. But my criticism of the show is not dissimilar to a frequent criticism of hacks, which is that the dialogue doesn't sound like real people. It sounds like the tweets of a chronically online person that has a lot of problems with the current state of the entertainment industry. And because of that, it doesn't feel real. And although it does feel real in a lot of ways, in the sense that, like, they have all these celebrities playing themselves. And that's really cool and interesting because it's so stylized and everyone's driving vintage cars and it's at these elaborate locations. It doesn't feel real in the way that Entourage or Curb your enthusiasm feel real. So it's kind of flirting with the idea of, like, revealing the entertainment industry for what it is or like, the underbelly of it. But it's so stylized and the dialogue is so on the nose. It doesn't feel real in the way that the idol felt real.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's funny. I would describe this show as fancy Entourage or like a stoner's version of Robert Altman's the Player, but you do bring up a good point, because aesthetically, the show is so good, right? Like, they've chosen to make the Their studio, Continental Studio somehow be designed in frank Lloyd Wright's Mayan revival style. And it's like, if Hollywood had this good of an aesthetic instinct, we actually wouldn't be in the problem we are in currently with the current state of films, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it's too expensive to film at these kinds of locations usually. Which is a big part of the reason why I like the show. I would watch it for the architecture alone.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think another elephant in the room when it comes to the studio is what exactly is this studio? Because the. The plot of the first episode is Seth Rogen's boss, played by Catherine O'Hara, who is clearly a version of Amy Pascal, is kicked out of the studio and he is made the head of the studio. This is especially funny because Amy Pascal was pushed out at Sony in part because of Seth rogen. Going back 10, 12 years, Seth Rogen made the interview. It was supposed to come out at Sony. The Sony leaks happened. She had some unfortunate emails with Scott Rudin about what Obama's favorite film might be, and she was 86 from the studio.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So it's the best. And Catherine O'Hara is genius on this show. The hair being like, Amy Pascal is genius. And of course, why wouldn't we want to see her in another glamorous woman having a nervous breakdown role?

[Lauren Garoni]

In my opinion, this is not the first time Catherine O'Hara has played an Amy Pascal type character. Because if you remember, she was in Six Feet under playing Lisa's boss, an eccentric female studio head that I remember at the time being like, okay, this is clearly based on Amy Pascal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was so good, right? Because Lily Taylor was her personal chef, her vegan chef. So good.

[Lauren Garoni]

So the first episode revolves around Seth Rogen becoming the studio head, having to appease his boss that runs the larger company, played by Bryan Cranston and Seth Rogen's boss obsession with making a Kool Aid film. I think the thing that bothers me about the studio, I will say, is to your point of, like, it's not exactly grounded in what is going on in Hollywood. I'm less concerned about the aesthetics, more. My issue is they're choosing to focus on how big IP is killing the movie industry. But I think because it is on a streamer itself, it won't get into the conversation about streamers roles like Netflix, like Apple, and how it is destroying the current theatrical experience. What even is this studio? Because they're preoccupied with a Kool Aid film as their big tentpole film. But as we see in the second episode, they have spent a good amount of money on A seemingly mid sized budget award season film about a lesbian affair set in the 60s, directed by Sarah Pauley.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, true.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm here for all of the Easter eggs. I'm here for the fact that Bryan Cranston's character is named Griffin Mill, which is Tim Robbins character name from the Player. Makes me wonder if they tried to get Tim Robbins for this role.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think everyone in Hollywood's dream is just making the Player.

[Lauren Garoni]

Very true. But Bryan Cranston is dressed like Robert Evans. I watched an interview with Seth Rogen and he was describing why Bryan Cranston is dressed like that. Because originally he was scripted to be a much more blue suit, conservative guy, which would make sense. But Seth Rogen says that he saw David Zaslav, who is the head of Warner Brothers Discovery, and he was dressed really flamboyantly, not cosplaying as Robert Evans, but just, you know, wearing like a suede cowboy shirt and gold glasses. And he was like, oh, I guess we could go a little more eccentric with the character.

[Chelsea Fairless]

If we want to get into eccentric. I think we also need to talk about the costuming of Katherine Hahn's character, which is kind of like half legit and half like the Patricia Field version.

[Lauren Garoni]

Of that woman who has to exist within the youth culture and therefore dresses like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Very funny.

[Lauren Garoni]

You do have to give it up to the first episode, even with your issues. The the appearance of Martin Scorsese wanting to make a Jonestown film at how Seth Rogen tries to eat his cake and have it too. Or I guess poison his Kool Aid and drink it too. By getting Martin Scorsese to agree to make a Kool Aid film that is also his Jonestown film, only to immediately reverse course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It made me sad that I can't watch that movie.

[Lauren Garoni]

I heard that Martin Scorsese has been wanting to make a Jonestown film within this world. He wants to cast Steve Buscemi, which I find very funny because his frequent collaborator Leonardo DiCaprio with a black wig would just look like Jim Jones. But anyway, there's been a lot of talk of the parallels of this show and its real life counterparts. And I thought what was so funny is that the show premiered last week and then all of this drama happened with Warner Brothers. That really mirrors what's going on in the studio because last week the Hollywood Reporter reported that David Zaslav is looking to focus on more big IP films rather than filmmaker driven projects that the head of Warner Brothers, Mike DeLuca and Pam Abdi have greenlit previously. Chelsea, why Might he feel this way? Well, I don't know if you remember this, but Mike DeLuca and Pam Abdy have taken big swings during their tenure at Warner Bros. That have not exactly panned out like Joker Falia do, which was not a box office success. It is also being reported that Mickey 17 will lose the studio between 75 and 80 million dollars. Oh, and also, the new P.T. anderson film that the studio is making has a reported budget of $140 million.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. But it's probably going to be major. Although I did watch the trailer and was like, not sure what this movie is about, but I'm in. And also so excited to see many locations from my hometown represented.

[Lauren Garoni]

I sent you the trailer and yes, you were like, what is this film about? And I was like, revolution. Rescuing your daughter from the revolution question mark. And then lastly, something that does feel like a plot line that would be in the studio. Chell, you saw Max's latest rebrand, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. It's almost like out of an SNL sketch or something.

[Lauren Garoni]

We started with HBO Go and that had the classic HBO logo against a black background with the words GO underneath it and a little blue circle in the. In the word O of Go. Then they switched to hbo Max, all white with a purple background. Then it was just Max against the.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Blue background, a really sinister royal blue.

[Lauren Garoni]

And now we are back to a black background with Max. Oh my God, just make it HBO again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They also have added the tiniest bit of, like, depth or like shadow to the Max logo, so it looks a little more like three dimensional. But when I saw this, just knowing that, you know, some agency got paid, I don't know, 300k for this or something, it just, it baffles the mind, truly. It actually speaks to the thesis of the studio because it's like you think you want to do something different and cool and evolve, but in reality, you just keep doing the same thing over and over again.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, especially when there was nothing wrong with the original. But I feel like all of this has proven that the studio is maybe a little truer than we feel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it just makes you miss that old school HBO logo with the static, you know?

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, don't worry. That's coming. In the next rebrand. We are now joined by one of my closest friends, the most fashionable man I know, the creator of our Bad News theme song. But beyond that, he is an incredibly talented musician, singer, songwriter, and artist. Lauren Kramer, thank you for joining the Every Outfit podcast.

Every Outfit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We actually, he's now going to do the theme live, guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. Watch out, listeners. Thank you for. Thank you. I love you, Lauren. I love you, Chelsea. I'm star struck to be here A.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're so happy to have you and we're excited to get into your album. But first I. I really, really need to know your thoughts about these Beatles films.

[Lauren Garoni]

The gay porno that is the 20 hour installment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We should probably give some context.

[Lauren Garoni]

So there is an event going on in Vegas right now called Cinemacon where all the studios do big presentations. They let theater distributors know what is in store, what to get them excited, what to keep them from committing suicide. And so Sam Mend announced more details about his Beatles film. Sam Mendes, of American Beauty, Road to Perdition fame. We knew that he was making a Beatles biopic. What we did not know is that this biopic is not just one film. It is four films that I guess will tell the story of each Beatle. It will be released all the same month in April 2028. They're hoping to create the first, and I quote, bingeable theatrical experience.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I'm not hating on that. I would love nothing more than to spend a full month going to a different Beatles movie every single weekend.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, but here's the sad thing is, you know, the Ringo weekend is gonna do significantly worse than the Paul and John weekend.

Who plays Ringo?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That guy Barry Keoghan.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, well, that's great. Who's that actor? There's a the. Who's the least famous of the four? That one guy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, maybe let's go through the casting in order of like, most intuitive to least intuitive. So I would say most intuitive is Barry Keoghan as Ringo. I would say the most famous actor of the four playing the least famous Beatle.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, here's how I want to introduce the rest of the cast. I want to introduce the actors because you're right. Beyond Barry Keoghan as Ringo Starr, I defy you to be able to correctly figure out who's playing who. So the rest of the cast is Harris Dickinson, Paul Mescal and Joseph Quinn.

Never heard of him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, he's on Stranger Things in a forgettable role.

[Lauren Garoni]

Joseph Quinn is having quite the glow up. He was in Gladiator 2 is like the Joaquin Phoenix demented emperor role. He is also in the upcoming Marvel Fantastic Four film. However, if you put a gun to my head, I wouldn't have been like, oh yeah, Joseph Quinn makes absolute sense as George Harrison.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He looks way more like Paul or John than George. George is the hottest one.

[Lauren Garoni]

Correct.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So George should get the hottest actor, you know, George should get Harris Dickinson or Jacob Elordi.

[Lauren Garoni]

Is this the part of the pod where I say that I auditioned for the George Harrison?

[Chelsea Fairless]

What a dream.

[Lauren Garoni]

That would be a dream.

Okay, so Paul Mescal, who I would say is maybe the most famous of the.

I was gonna say you said you think that. What's his name? What was. You think Barry Keoghan's more famous than.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think he's as famous.

[Lauren Garoni]

They're both dating songstresses who've opened up for Taylor Swift.

Didn't Paul and Gracie break up up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did they?

[Lauren Garoni]

I think they broke up.

According to Deuxmois Fake news. Anyway, Paul Mescal is playing Paul McCartney. And it just seems like a bit of lazy casting a Paul to Paul ratio.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I can see Paul as Paul, but not really so much. Paul is the in the Beatles era, but Paul in the Ram era. Like, I feel like that would work. But we don't really understand the time frame of this film because does it take place place just during the course of the Beatles being a band? Or are we gonna see John Lennon get shot?

[Lauren Garoni]

And we should say that leaves Harris Dickinson of Baby Girl Fame and Triangle of Sadness. Fame is playing John Lennon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Have they seen a photo of John Lennon? Because, like, he might be the coolest beetle, but he's definitely not the hottest beetle. Like, Harris Dickinson is so hot that he was cast as a male model.

[Lauren Garoni]

Correct.

Who's playing Yoko, the actress from Shogun?

Yeah, it's just. It's all the most fuckable people.

This is true. Although I do enjoy a tweet I saw that was like, at this point, Sydney Sweeney should just play Yoko Ono.

Oh, well, I was saying to you guys, you know, Timothy Chalamet should play Yoko. It should just be an all male cast, Shakespearean style, the most fuckable male heartthrobs working today.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That would be my dream.

[Lauren Garoni]

Greg Araki directing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah. See, I would love a gay auteur to direct this. Like, we would all love the Todd Haynes version or the Gus Van Sant version, because, like, Sam Mendes, it's like, yeah, I like American Beauty, but I don't know if I've liked one of his movies since American Beauty.

[Lauren Garoni]

For sure. And I think our love of American Beauty has a lot to do with the fact that Alan Ball wrote the script.

Oh, of course, of course. True Blood. Six Feet Under.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Six Feet Under.

[Lauren Garoni]

Before we move on, just my question about how this film is gonna work to your point of, like, from when to when is this happening when they're all in the Beatles together. Like, it's going to be, I guess, each of their stories, but there's going to be overlapping parts where they're each in each other's movie, Right?

Correct. Well, okay, but this is like. Remember the first season of Euphoria? It was like this, where you had each character had their own episode, and then you inevitably end up with this dud of a character that you couldn't give less of a shit about.

How dare you talk about Ringo Starr that way, Lauren.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, doing it by Beatle is intriguing because you would think they would do it by era. Like, the first movie would be when they get famous into hard Day's Night. Second movie would be like Rubber Sole Revolver. I guess, Sgt. Pepper movie. And then the Abbey Road, Let It Be Breakup.

[Lauren Garoni]

This should actually just be a VR experience POV from each actor. And you have to go to the Sphere in Las Vegas. It's like a $1,000 ticket.

I love that idea.

Get creative, Sam. Get creative. Okay, but so it's coming out in 2028. I feel like that gives a lot of film studios and directors plenty of time to have a competing project, or at least like a complimentary project that comes out that same month or whatever the hell, you know, so that. So we have like the Barbie. Whatever the hell, Oppenheimer.

Oh, you think this is gonna be a Dante's Peak volcano situation?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I feel like we should also mention that this film is sanctioned by all of these men's estates and they've given the rights to all the music. We haven't had this situation before because we had the Sam Taylor Johnson Nowhere Boy movie and then we had Yesterday. Was that what it was called?

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, God. Yeah. That was. That was scary.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was scary. But we all had to see that. Or I seemed. I assume that you would see that Lauren wouldn't be. Lauren couldn't be fucked.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I couldn't be bothered to see it. Although I have seen the CGI John Lennon sequence.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you'd be surprised to know that Ed Sheeran is the lead, basically. So tragically, we won't get Jacob Elordi as George Harrison, but we will get Jacob Elordi in an exciting new gay romance film coming out soon, which I hear you have a part of music for.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What is this movie called again?

[Lauren Garoni]

On Swift Horses. On Swift Horses. Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And it's like mid century closeted gays and horse racing.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's exactly what I was telling Anna Wintour at Vogue World No. So there are these parallel queer plot lines. One of them centers on Daisy Edgar Jones, and the other Jacob Elordi. I can say this because it's now screened in a few different places, but there is this gay love scene between Jacob Elordi and Diego Calva. And the song that I wrote for it plays during that scene. Plays during that scene. Can you imagine how I felt?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's so beautiful.

[Lauren Garoni]

It was really a life highlight. Yeah. So the movie comes out in a few weeks and. Okay. So all. Because all roads lead back to Alan Ball, the director, Dan Minahan, one of the best details. He wrote I Shot Andy Warhol.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, fuck. Yes.

[Lauren Garoni]

You know that unbelievable movie. And he directed a lot of tv. True Blood, Game of Thrones, American Crime Story, Versace. Yeah. So Dan Minahan directed this film.

We will be there opening weekend to see your beautiful song scoring a gay Jacob Elordi sex scene.

Thank you. Thank you, Goddess.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bless. So I also want to know, Lauren, what you think about this new Miley era that is incoming. We first saw the album cover, which came out a couple weeks ago, shot by Glenn Lutchford. So fast.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who the hell is that? I meant to look him up before I came on the pod, but, you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Know, he's a fashion photographer. He was famous originally for doing, like, Prada campaigns in the 90s, like, some of the most iconic ones. But more recently he did, like, pretty much everything for Gucci in the Alessandro Michelli era. And now he's been brought over to Valentino and is doing their ads as well. But he also did this Miley cover, which I think is really beautiful. She's backlit and wearing this, like, insane, archival Thierry Mugler look. It's a level of glamour that I don't know if we've seen since Annie Lennox's diva album cover.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was gonna say, because I watched the trailer.

The Prelude. The Prelude, Yes.

I watched the trailer for the Prelude, which.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, no, there's. We're talking about different things. There's the trailer for the visual album, there's the Prelude, and then there's the something beautiful music video.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. I watched the trailer for the visual album, which describes this as a one of a kind pop opera. And given the looks that we've seen already, it seems very archival. Mugler, forward.

Well, did you see the captions on Instagram for this campaign so far? I mean, they are full paragraphs. You know, gone are the days of just like a stylized, all lowercase, you know. Thursday, May 5th, 9:00pm no, no, no. This is like they Mention the season of the mugler that she's wearing and, you know, really giving like the cheat sheet to the. It's. Have you seen this?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have not seen this.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm like, I did not click.

[Lauren Garoni]

There are probably 19 people that follow Miley Cyrus that will read those entire paragraphs. You know, I don't know how many.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you're number 19 and I am number 19.

[Lauren Garoni]

What I found so funny is there's no pretense that she's writing this to her fans because it's written in the third person like Miley Cyrus will.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So it's a press release. Sounds like a 60s era Harper's Bazaar cover. It seems like that kind of look is being referenced especially in the Something Beautiful music video. She's wearing another Mugler look that it looks like ostrich or something that includes like a full hood. That, yes, I think is very much giving that kind of mid century Avedon for Vogue kind of of look.

[Lauren Garoni]

Doesn't Miley's face look like Brooke Candies to you?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's getting closer to Brooke. There's been enough tweaks that it's starting to lean Brooke adjacent. But there's another facet of the look I think that she's crafted for this album that also kind of airs more on the side of like Cher or Tina Turner in the 70s. And she started rolling that out like over a year ago, like the Grammys before last, where she showed up in that like Margiela outfit with a really insane bouffant hair.

[Lauren Garoni]

I feel like that was a career highlight. That look, the hair. Bob Racine or whoever the hell did her hair.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it was. But I feel like that was kind of like the beginning of her teasing this era and now we're about to be fully in it.

[Lauren Garoni]

You know what? I couldn't believe this is her ninth studio album.

Is that a lot or that's a lot?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It is a lot. And I'm very interested to hear this album in its entirety because Something Beautiful is quite experimental for her, especially in terms of the production. She said that she wanted this album to be like her version of the Wall by Pink Floyd, which is a fascinating reference.

[Lauren Garoni]

So she co executive produced this with this legendary Canadian producer and mixer named Shawn Everett, who you've probably seen images of at the Grammys. White guy with dreadlocks and always wearing like a very Dover Street. Layered on, layered on, layered sort of, you know, like a kilt with the Doc Martens and whatever the hell it's that thing. And he is like one of the most Grammy decorated Canadians and he did so he mixed Casey Musgrave's Golden Hour, he did Alabama Shakes, he did Brittany Howard's solo record. So he is this. It could not be more highly respected and experimental mixing engineer and producer. Worked with Adele and everybody. So when I saw that name, I was like, wow, that's incredible. I feel like it's so rare that you get these huge pop stars who are choosing to work with really interesting collaborators. Actually.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do think it's because Miley is like actually a real artist or perhaps more of an artist than some of her contemporaries. Something Beautiful is a really interesting song. I wonder if it is in fact the lead single or if it is just the first song on the album perhaps and they're releasing like, like maybe chronologically or something like that. Because it's not a lead single kind of song. I think it's really interesting, but I don't think it's the kind of song that people like play on.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's not an earworm. It is not an earworm. No, but I loved it.

It is of course our luck that Miley will be releasing the next music video of this visual album after we record this episode. So maybe that's where the single is.

Here's what I was thinking, because God bless Miley. I'm not a huge Miley, Stan. I feel like the only album I've ever listened to all the way through is Bangers, which is still an incredible album, but I haven't. I mean, and then there was that like her stoner album, whatever the hell that was.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Flaming Lips album.

[Lauren Garoni]

Exactly. And then she like was deep in mad Happy or whatever the hell that was. Wasn't that a brand that she had? Happy Hippie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's not her happy hippie. That's two different brands. But yeah, she got really deep into the Happy Hippie foundation. She was doing all those Backyar concert.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, exactly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Compulsively.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which did give us maybe one of her best performances. Which is her cover, Jolie.

Yes, exactly. But then, but you know what I was thinking? I was like, I have not. I've never heard of a single friend or something happening around town. Oh, I'm going to a Miley Cyrus concert. I've never heard that. So then I googled Miley Cyrus tour. She has not toured, I think in 10 years. And she has this quote, let me pull up, you know, I've got my goddamn screenshots ready for this. So in 2023, she said, these looks, I've been turning out. Don't travel well. The archival looks don't fold. I just don't want to sleep on a moving bus. It isn't what's best for me right now. All caps. Okay, so God bless.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But also she could travel on a plane, correct?

[Lauren Garoni]

She could do whatever the hell she wants. But the fact that, you know, pop star at that level just.

I wouldn't want to tour either.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she's not touring at our level, Lauren. She's not booking hotels with rewards.

[Lauren Garoni]

Miley, you are not responsible for folding the archival Mugler. Relax.

I don't know if you've seen that video where I think Harper's Bazaar did it a few years ago where she reads back her schedule when she was 12 and it starts at 5am and it goes until 11pm And I understand why this girl doesn't want to tour anymore. She literally has toured as much as like a seasoned veteran has by the time she was 16.

[Guest Speaker]

God help Miley.

[Lauren Garoni]

So how does she make all of her money now?

I mean, this gets back to our celebrity side hustle conversation, but you can understand why celebrities have liquor lines or they host music competition shows because it's far easier than having to do a 50 city tour.

This might be a controversial opinion. When they go too far into like real fashion, when it's really fashionable, it sort of like misses the point of being a pop star, which is like you're in a parallel universe. What you do is, goes beyond fashion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You think they have to be like inherently cheesy to be pop stars. Like they all have to wear the sparkly body suits and the tall boots.

[Lauren Garoni]

They don't have to all do that. But most pop stars really don't have great style. The contemporary ones, they just don't. I mean like I love Taylor Swift or Beyonce or Rihanna even or any, you know, like, I know it's a, it's a controversial thing to say, but I don't think that any of those individuals really help have great personal style. And that's what's cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You don't think Taylor has great personal style? How dare you.

[Lauren Garoni]

And you know, Lana, even you know, that is what's cool about them. It's bigger than it feels, bigger than fashion. It goes beyond. It's like it's outside of fashion in a way. So going serving the 1997 Mugler look, it's like, Miley, don't busy yourself with that detail. Who gives a shit?

Well, Lauren, I think you've given us such a great transition to why we've brought you on this show, which is.

You mean you didn't want to hear my opinion about the Beatles for all day?

We do, but for our listener's sake, I don't think they want two hours of our feelings about this Sam Mendy's Beatles film. But I do want to move into your new ep, Living Legend. It's a record of Lana Del Rey covers. Can you tell us how this album came together? And more importantly, how do you go about picking five Lana Del Rey songs to record?

Almost exactly a year ago, Eckhaus Lata invited me to do the live soundtrack for their fashion show. And their initial pitch was, oh, we want singer songwriters. We want singer songwriters, but we want all covers of these really sort of beloved female vocalists for the most part. So, of course I thought, oh, we should open the show with Hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have. But I have it. After doing the soundtrack with my collaborator, Daniel Aged, I thought, oh, we should just record these covers, of which, you know, there's New York, New York, and a few other songs. And then I thought, join the covers album. Who gives a shit if I did? Only Lana Del Rey covers that seemed really bitchy and, like, I don't know, that seemed terrifying to me. And it also seemed like the kind of thing that. I mean, the way that I describe it is like, there's this cultural race. Somebody's bound to do it, and if somebody did it and it wasn't me, I would be so envious and upset with myself that I didn't sort of have the nerve to do it. So I thought, okay, well, now I have to do it. So that's the origin story of it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I texted you this, but when I first heard the recorded version of Hope Is a Dangerous Thing, I fully sobbed God bless you. I was so moved by it because it's such a beautiful interpretation of that song and because I immediately clocked in as a song that sort of falls within the canon of gay liberation anthems, like Bette Midler's cover of I Shall Be Released, like the Rufus Wainwright Judy Garland album. And so I just wanted to hear a little bit more about your thought process with that song in particular. And we need to talk about the Slim Aaron's reference in this song, because.

[Lauren Garoni]

This song begins with, I was reading Slim Errands. Exactly what were you reading? Exactly what coffee table book were you looking at or reading?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think Lana, she's such a fascinating songwriter, and the references that we get in her songs, the pop culture references are so great. This song has Sylvia Plath and slim errands. What more could you want? But I do think that sometimes, like, with that lyric, there's a slightly bimbo ish quality. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. It's just kind of part of her vision.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I mean, something I say about her is that I think maybe more so than any pop figure of our generation. I mean, maybe Lady Gaga's right up there with her. But the mood board is on the surface. I mean, she's given us her mood board. The earliest music videos, which were, you know, sort of patchwork found footage of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Paz de la Huerta.

[Lauren Garoni]

Paz de la Huerta getting fucking rejected from the chateau. I mean, that image haunts me. It's like we know what Lana loves is how we feel as fans, that we have this sense of what she's identified with, what she has felt at home with culturally and visually. And she gives. She's giving it right back.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You've made this Lana record. Should I write, like, an A to Z children's book explaining all of Lana's references to children? Like C is for Cipriani's basement kind of vibes, you know?

[Lauren Garoni]

Hurry, hurry, is what I say.

This begs the question, what is your favorite Lana album? Because I feel like, for me, it's tough to pick one because everything just goes with the phase of life that I've been in.

I get all the albums confused at a certain point. The last few, I think, are magnificent, you know, Blue Banisters, Honeymoon, Chemtrails.

See, Chemtrails for me, is what I associate when I talk about phases of life. It's like chemtrails over the country club is just so synonymous to the pandemic for me.

My favorite Lana song is White Dress. I don't even remember which album that song. Is it Blue Banisters? Is it? You know what I mean? I don't remember. Who the hell knows? She's so prolific. But that song is such a high achievement. What is it? What's it from?

It's off of Chemtrails over the Country, Okay?

Exactly. And it opens the goddamn album. I mean, I've heard that song probably 300 times. I was tempted to cover it, but not when the song is that perfectly done. I mean, the vocal is unbelievable. We've never heard her sing like that. That, you know, she's singing up there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yesterday, I was scrolling through Instagram and I saw that Patty Smith just posted a cover of the CD of Born to Die. The paradise edition. No, I was like, I would not think that this would be your Go to Lana album, but I love that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Off to the Races.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And yeah, the one with off to the Races. But that's of course, where we also get Ride, which. Which you cover on this EP as well.

[Lauren Garoni]

I feel like that's the sort of the quintessential Lana song and video for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, her hooking up with the old gross guys, the choice to make them old and gross.

[Lauren Garoni]

And don't forget the five and a half minute monologue that came before the song, which I was tempted. I mean, I had a few friends say, is the monologue gonna be on the COVID of the album? I was like, I sure as hell couldn't do it. But maybe I'll ask, like Sky Ferreira or past De La Huerta to do the monologue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But that would be amazing. Drop the extended version.

[Lauren Garoni]

Exactly. There's still time.

Has anyone ever done a B sides to an ep?

The one that I only sell in Japan or something like in that special. The Special Aisle of Amoeba.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God, I miss the import section of the Virgin Megastore.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, my God. So beautiful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Are you excited about the fact that Lana is going to be doing a country album? Which was called Lasso is now called the Right One Will Stay or the Right One.

[Lauren Garoni]

That sounds about right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sounds like Lana.

[Lauren Garoni]

Is it a country album? I have no idea.

Has Lana gone country now that she's married her blue collar. Was he an alligator Tour guide.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love how everyone but Taylor Swift will make a country album now. Like, where does it end?

[Lauren Garoni]

Another news story that rocked our personal group chat was the idea that Kim Kardashian and Skims were suing Lana Del Rey for not disclosing their brand partnership on Lana's posts related to her skims campaign.

Fuck. Fuck.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I love that Lana doesn't have a competent social media manager, but I also instantly knew that this was fake news. On some level, I knew that something was wrong about this.

[Lauren Garoni]

So what was the. Okay, what's the issue here? That she posted that damn photo from the Valentine's Day campaign and didn't say sponsored or something? Yeah, isn't it just assumed at that point?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, no, you get sued. That's why you have to say paid partnership or hashtag ad.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who does the suing?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, some narc reports you, so fuck whoever that narc was that tried to report Lana to the fcc, they can go themselves.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, the FTC cares. As pseudo influencers ourselves. This is a big point of contention because you have to. Yes, disclose that it is an ad. I would agree with you if you are the star of said campaign. It feels implicit. But there is some truth to this story where I guess the FTC came after her and Brittany Mahomes, who also had a skims campaign. And if you look at the post.

Now, who the hell is Brittany Mahomes?

Don't worry about it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't even know who that is.

[Lauren Garoni]

She's married to Patrick Mahomes, who's on the same team as.

Yes, yes, yes.

According to Adweek. If you go back and look at the post now they have the hashtag ad. Lana came out and said that this is fake news because I don't know where this started, but I'm not getting sued if it does happen because of guidelines that we will handle it. But never an end to a friendship.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A million dollars is not enough money for Kim Kardashian to care about.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, that's a fake figure. Wait, did that come out on April Fool's Day? We've been previously discussing that. We're done with April Fool's pranks.

Were there any good ones?

No.

Oh, oh, no, wait, there are. I saw one that Raph Simmons was.

Leaving Prada, that Daniel Roseberry was leaving Schiaparelli.

But which would be great. Which would be great. I would let.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What? Let's get a woman at Schiaparelli as God intended.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, is this talked about how Daniel. Yeah, Daniel Roseberry. That the whole thing. I mean, God bless him. I mean he brought that brand back.

From the dead and he's changed the red carpet as we know it.

But it's so Glenn Close as Cruella de Vil 101 Dalmatians coded. It feels so precocious. 8 year old gay boy who's gonna style mom and sister in the bedsheets.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's completely fantasy based.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was listening to the Patrick Samberg episode that you guys did the other week and he was talking about Tate. Was it Tate McRae or. Yes, Tate McRae as or no. Addison Rae, one of the pop stars as doing pop drag like Ally in oh, A star is born in Star is Born. And that's what it feels. That's what Daniel Roseberry at Schiaparelli feels like to me. It's fashion drag. You know, it's like the American gay American designer in Paris doing this ultra luxe. It just feels. There's a silliness to it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think that's intentional. There's a certain amount of humor. Imbued with some of the clothes, certainly. But everything is so exaggerated.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. And there's an Ed Gein. There's a bit of an Ed Gein slip to it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that's a good point.

[Lauren Garoni]

You're referring to the gold noses on.

Purses, the gold nose? Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, bodices just look like skin.

[Lauren Garoni]

And weren't there bags that were just torsos or something? It just.

I mean, now you're making it sound way cooler, honestly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can we get into this? News of the Proenza schooler boys going to Loewe succeeding Jonathan Anderson, which has been the big news story.

[Lauren Garoni]

I would love if Lauren was like, no, hell no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're gonna force you to talk about this. It's been rumored for so long that it's not surprising. Like, no one's surprised they left their own label.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. So are people happy about this? I feel like Jonathan Anderson is a genius.

And we still don't have the official Jonathan Anderson is at Dior announcement, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. And at this point, it feels like waiting for a new Sky Ferreira album.

[Lauren Garoni]

But the feeling that I have is like, it's always strange when a designer who's done such a brilliant job at a house and things are going very well leaves. It's not. It's so much more. In a way, it's so much more fun when the brand seems to be failing and we're sort of desperate for a new direction. That's just not what's going on at Loewe. So it's like, okay, Froenza is great. It seems. I feel like we're solving a problem that wasn't there.

I think that Jonathan Anderson had sort of outgrown his tenure at Louisville. I think he sort of said everything he needed to say. And again, the elephant in. In the room is that he's going to Dior, which is obviously a promotion. We discussed this a little bit at the time, Chelsea and I, when it was rumored that Parenza was going over to Louisville, that I get why they made this decision. It's hard to be a mid level New York brand 20 years in, 25 years in. And now we don't even have the structure of having a Target collaboration like Isaac Mizrahi had.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Actually, Proenza was one of the OG target collaborations. Not the original OGs like Isaac or whatever, but that next generation. Because remember, there was that time where every day it was like, it's Rodarte for Target. It's Proenza for Target. We're taking over opening ceremony and they're only selling Proenza for Target.

[Lauren Garoni]

Proenza is a beautiful brand and they do what they do so well. So there's a sadness that they're leaving. I would have preferred that they stay there. And Rodarte, the Rodarte sisters go to Loewe because God bless Rodarte. But my feeling is a bit like, what the hell's happening over there?

No, you're right. But I think I've figured it out. Guys. Tell me Parenza stays at Loewe, Rodarte goes to Proenza, Rodarte goes to Schiaparelli.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yeah, because like Daniel Roseberry, they don't want to make real clothes either. No, they shouldn't. They should never have to make real clothes in their lives. You know, they have, they've been quite successful recently making Those sort of 40s inspired slip dresses that we're seeing on, on all of the girls, you know.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who would have been cool at Loewe? I forget her name, but who does. Does Wales Bonner.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yeah, remember her name was in.

[Lauren Garoni]

The Wales Bonner for like, you know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe she for Louis Vuitton. Think her name was Menswear. Yeah, throwing around cuz she's. Yeah, menswear.

[Lauren Garoni]

That would be cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's so cool.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who's, who's. Oh, Pharrell's at Louis Vuitton still.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Pharrell is at Louis Vuitton. Paul like Daniel Rose, like Daniel Roseberry and the Pra Schooler Boys. These are the Americans that are in positions of power at these big European luxury houses. Now I personally wish Ro would just do a full pivot it to costume design. I feel like that's actually what they want to do on some level. And when I think back to the work that they did in Black Swan for example, I just want more of that from them.

[Lauren Garoni]

The eckhaus laht of it all. And I've said this to Mike and Zoe. I would love for them to take over Drees. Can you imagine?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think they would be great at Helmet Lang.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's keep things, let's keep things in New York. York.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's bring back Helmut Lang, who's there right now.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, it was Peter Doe. Lauren is correct. He put a cheat sheet. He put a cheat sheet together on this podcast.

Yes, I did.

He sent it in our group chat. But like this is ostensibly our business and we're still not sure who is where is Peter Doe still at Helmet Lang? I'm not sure.

But then this is my other ended. This is my other Thing. No, I love Heider Ackerman. I've always loved him. He would have been, I think, incredible also at Dries.

Well, we were having this conversation off mic because I often wonder, like, once a quarter, I say to myself, where's Ricardo Tisci?

Where is he?

I don't know. And it makes me wonder if he was in the running for Tom Ford and Tom Ford was like, there's going to be a handsome gay brunette that takes over for me. I feel like it was between Heider and Ricardo Tisci. But this is my own fanfic. I have nothing to support this.

This would be a step down for him. But Pierre Paolo from Valentino, if he went to Tom Ford. If he did Tom Ford, Heider went to Dries. So maybe things would have gotten too complicated with Heider. Like, too complicated for Dries. So it's best that he's at Tom Ford. But. But.

But we would have gotten Timmy and Dries.

Well, exactly.

Our fan cast for Yoko Ono, Timothee Chalamet.

Where's Eddie gonna go? And that's the question. What should Ludovic de Saint Sernin, whatever the. What should. Who he should be the creative director of some damn brand. He was there at what end of Muhle Meester for five minutes with that amazing feather top on Hunter Schaefer, which was incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know what happened there. I wasn't the biggest fan of that. But I do believe they certainly should have given him more time. I mean, I don't know the circumstances of his ex that he left after one season.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who's gonna take over Balenciaga? We don't know yet. Nicola Ghesquiere should go back to Balenciaga and Galliano should take over Louis Vuitton.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, I mean, can you imagine? Lauren? Don't look at me like that.

No, I'm just like. I'm personally so confused.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We need Galliano to Balenciaga.

[Lauren Garoni]

Can I say controversial opinion?

Sure.

I don't like that Glenn Martens is going to Margiela. I feel like it's. I mean, I think that he's brilliant. And I love Glenn Martens, but it's too. It's too. The fit feels too right. It'll probably be incredible. And I'm gonna, like, you know, be embarrassed I said this, but do you know what I mean? When, like, a union makes too much sense, it's like. No, I think any 10.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's gonna be great. I just, like, have always wanted him to have a bigger budget than he's had, and he's gotten that with Diesel. But Diesel came with confines. Like, nothing that Diesel makes is that expensive. He got to do elaborate fashion shows, which was really cool.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I still think about those oversized shredded denim coats that he did at Diesel early on that were not for sale. I mean, those were magnificent.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Eddie Slimane. So we don't know where he's going.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, also obsessed with that portrait that he did of you.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is. Okay, this is the thing. Patrick Sandberg. All roads lead to him. It's because of Patrick Sandberg that that unbelievable opportunity even happened, because Patrick sent Eddie or somebody on Eddie's team my song a year ago. I mean, can I tell you that when he was taking the photos, his sunglasses were on the whole time. How fucking cool is that?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's so major.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, my God, I loved the look.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So did you style yourself as a pirate, essentially, or like a new romantic? Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, yeah. I was told to bring a few looks and went to Milk Studios and, you know, like, this shit is such a fucking glamorous dream beyond a dream. Like, I was the yearbook, the photo editor of my senior year yearbook and, like, you know, spending whatever high school yearbook budget on fashion magazines and living for this. So you're, like, taking the Uber to Milk studios in Hollywood and bringing my garment bags and, like, going and being thrown into the hair and makeup room and then, like, pushing my cuticles back. And I was like, oh, my God, this is serious. Like, the fingernails matter. People, you know, These are the things that, you know, gay yearbook camp dreams.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Are made of, for sure. And he has been so diligent about documenting musicians for the past 20 years, especially musicians in Los Angeles. So that made me really happy to see.

[Lauren Garoni]

It made me very happy to live. And. Yeah, I mean, I'll just say. So he's taking the photos. He's got a digital camera. He's got his team around him, has the sunglasses on. They sort of come down on his nose. And then. Okay, stay there, stay there. And then his assistant gives him the film camera, swaps out the digital camera. There we go. You know, the whole thing happens in, like, 11 minutes. God, life can be fun sometimes. God damn. And then there are all these, like, hot surfers coming in, like, right behind me to take some, like, surfboard Celine photos.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Jesus, that's perfect.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think the thing is that Eddie can't leave Los Angeles. So where is he going to go exactly?

Yeah, What? Yeah, where? Who's based here? What can he do? What can he do? Chrome Hearts I me the best. Chrome Hearts is the coolest.

All right, to wrap things up, Lauren, I mean, I am going on maternity leave. Chelsea does need co hosts. Would you be willing to watch it in just like that episode, perhaps?

Oh, my God, please.

So I was very jealous to see the other week on Instagram Stories. I'm looking. And you are at the Chateau Marmont at a Vogue World event. And I texted Chelsea because we knew the Vogue World is happening in Los Angeles. And I said, is Vogue World this weekend? Because Lauren's there right now only to learn that you were at the Vogue World announcement.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sh.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's not. Don't tell anybody I was at Vogue World, okay? And it was incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I'm sure you'll get that invite.

[Lauren Garoni]

Not after this podcast appearance. So do you have any more clarity? Because the fuckettes have asked us time and time again, what is Vogue World? And we don't really have an answer. After going to this event. Do you understand what Vogue World is?

There is no answer to that question. Fuck it. I'm so sorry to say. No, nobody knows what Vogue World is. Nobody ever has. And let me just just say. I mean, you know, of course, like friends of mine and you know, even my mom, she was like, what? What the. Oh, my God. You were at the Chateau? And what was that? It's like, mom, I have no idea. I. I think I was at a pre press conference by accident. That's what it was. I mean, I went, you know, by the grace of God. Dan Minahan, the director of the. The. The Jacob Elordi movie, invited me. I saw the invite and it was a Hollywood Walk of Fame star, you know, Anna Wintour invites you. It's like, oh, my God. You know, we're really living now. So we show up at 10:30. That's what.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's early.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, my God, can you imagine? And we show up in a convertible. Okay, the sort of Dan. Anyway, one of the actresses from the movie Sasha Call has a convertible. She picked us up. It's like, okay, we're really doing this. You know, we're really doing this fucking Chateau Moore. Morning, we pull up. I had gotten a text though, from a friend who was there.

She was like, lauren, it's not what you think it is.

Lauren, get ready, because we're at a press conference, bitch. Like, relax. You're gonna have to get real creative on Instagram, because we are at a press conference. And that's what it was. I didn't even see a coffee. I didn't see a Bloody Mary. We all fucking. You know, like, we check in, and when you're a plus one, you know that thing where you're like, am I, like, on the list? You know, I'm just gonna stand behind, you know, my person, and, like, Cara Delevingne was getting there. I'm like, okay. I'm just gonna hide behind her and look like I'm, you know, security. So we go up to the damn lobby. You know, it's really crowded. Not a coffee in sight. Okay. Some water, and everybody's sort of huddled together. And then the door is open to the courtyard, and there's chairs set up in rows like it's a wedding. Like it's a fucking wedding with assigned seats. My name was on a goddamn seat. I mean, I couldn't believe my eyes. You know that. Lord, you know, God knows I kept that piece of paper.

I was gonna say, I know you well enough that you.

It's out. The framer. So it was like, an hour maybe of these little speeches talking about the event that is to come in October, which will be Vogue World Hollywood, which will take place at Paramount. And it's spotlighting the importance of film and costume design in the larger fashion world. And the coolest part about it, I mean, the real, like, starstruck. Holy shit. Was Colleen Gavin Newsom. Hell, no. Even though he's got the most beautiful hands I've ever seen, I'm in my. Google it. Check the show notes. He's got beautiful hands. No, no. But the real starstruck moment. Colleen Atwood, Ariane Phillips, and Ruthie Carter. I mean, these are, like, living legend. Costume designers did, like, you know, do the right thing and Hedwig and the Angry Inch and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and whatever the hell. Colleen Atwood. I didn't even realize this until after she brought her charred Academy Award. Did you see that?

That.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garoni]

From. You know, because she lived in the.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Palisades and, like, the. One of her four, and that's what.

[Lauren Garoni]

They were saying online. They're like, which. Which Oscar was it? Exactly? Who the hell knows? But to see those women in real life, I mean, that was, like, the real highlight. And then, you know, and then it was over, and people were asking, like, oh, okay, you know, is there lunch now? Or, you know, now where do we go? You get your ass out of there. That's where you go. And by the. You know, again, by, like, the grace of Hollywood miracles, we're, like, sort of, like, shuttling out and getting. I'm, like, waiting in the corner for a friend to come out of the bathroom and then, like, it turns into, like the supermodel, like, waiting corner with Kendall and Kara and Hailey Bieber and Chateau employees coming up to them and saying like, oh, do you want a table we can clear? God. I mean, that sort of thing makes it all worthwhile.

Well, and then you pretended like you were part of their group. You're like, maybe I can sneak into this. Well, I thought one. I thought Vogue World was happening and it made complete sense that you would be invited because one of my favorite songs of yours is Hollywood Boulevard. And honestly, they do need you to perform that for Vogue World when it actually does happen in October.

I mean, that's the dream. Thank you. And here's the thing. It's gonna be on the Paramount backlot. And, you know, a few years ago in Freeze la, did their, their pop up, whatever the hell did their fair at the Paramount backlot? I mean, that was reason enough to go, who gives a damn about, you know, seeing whatever the hell David Zwerner's booth? You know, I mean, just like, it's an opportunity to walk around the back lot. So, yeah, we gotta see what happens in October.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We do. I read the Vogue piece about it, and they said that Colleen Atwood, Arjan Phillips and Ruthie Carter will have some of their work on display at the event alongside peers like Melena Cannonero, Catherine Martin, Sandy Powell and Jacqueline West. So cool. But I'm like, is this a fashion exhibition or are people going to be modeling these clothes?

[Lauren Garoni]

Absolutely nobody will ever know the answer to that question.

[Chelsea Fairless]

If they're modeling the costumes, if we're getting celebrities and models to wear this or reproductions that I would love, that I would be obsessed with.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, yeah, because it does make sense if this became a. A moving version of the Met gala in the sense that there is an event, a sort of red carpet, and then there's an exhibition that goes with it that people can buy tickets for. Here's another confusing thing, is I read the same Vogue article and they said that since its inception, Vogue World has uplifted local communities and to date has donated more than $3 million. And Vogue World, Hollywood will be no different. 100% of ticket proceeds will go to the entertainment Community Fund. So can we buy tickets?

Unanswerable questions, Lauren. Here's my thing. All the VIPs that are invited, all the, you know, all the movie stars, they should shoot. It's like in the Invisible Fight, you know, hey, Timothy Chalamet, please come to the Vogue World. Thing. But you have to wear the costume, your favorite costume from one of the movies you've done. That's the rule. I want to see all these show up in costume from one of their favorite movies. You know what I'm saying?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think that this one is going to be more interesting than the last couple of them because of that. Because of the film aspect, the costuming aspect. Obviously, there's always been celebrities at these events, but we have all of the celebrities here.

[Lauren Garoni]

And because we're manifesting invites for the three of us.

That's right. That's exactly right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We are.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, Lauren, thank you for joining us today.

Thank you. I love you both. Thank you for having me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. This was such a treat for us. I think we should end on a Lauren Kramer song. Will you grant us permission and do.

[Lauren Garoni]

You want to curate which song we should play in the outro?

Lauren, I leave it up to you, but both. What will the Fuckettes love?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think we should play. Hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have. But I have it. A song that has never not made me cry. So enjoy crying. Everyone. Thank you again for being here. Lauren.

[Lauren Garoni]

Thank you so much. Every Outfit forever.

And if you like what you hear and why wouldn't you please stream Lauren's EP if you love the Every Outfit theme. He is the reason we actually have this theme. You introduced us to Jay, who made the iconic Every Alpha theme song. All right, guys, we'll see you next week.

[Guest Speaker]

I was reading slim errands when I got to thinking that I. I thought maybe I'd get less stressed if I was tested less like all of these debutant smiling for miles in pink dresses in high heels on white yes, but I'm not baby I'm not no I'm not there I'm not I've been tearing around in my nightgown 247 Sylvia Plath writing in blood on the walls Cause the ink in my pen don't work in my notepad don't ask if I'm happy you know that I'm not not but at best I can say I'm not sad cuz hope is a dangerous thing for woman like me to have Hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me that I had 15 good answers church basement romances yeah, I've cried spilling my guts with the bowery bombs was the only love I ever.

[Lauren Garoni]

Known.

[Guest Speaker]

Except for the stage which I also call home When I'm not serving up God in a burnt coffee pot for the triad hello it's the most famous woman you know on the iPad? Calling from beyond the grave? I just, Just want to say? Hi, dad? Hi, dad? I've been tearing around in my nightgown 24 7? Sylvia Black? Writing in blood on the walls? Cuz the ink in my pen don't work? In my notepad? Don't ask if I'm happy? You know that I'm not?

[Lauren Garoni]

But at best I can say I'm not sad?

[Guest Speaker]

Cause hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have? Hope is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have? But I have it? Oh, I have it? God knows I have it?

[Lauren Garoni]

I?

[Guest Speaker]

I have it? Oh, I have it? I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Have it?

[Lauren Garoni]

Sa.