221: On West Village Girls, Gay Billionaires, Met Gala Drama

Summary

Podcast Summary: Every Outfit Episode 221 – On West Village Girls, Gay Billionaires, Met Gala Drama

Release Date: May 16, 2025

Hosts Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garoney delve into a vibrant mix of fashion, pop culture, and societal observations in this episode of Every Outfit. From exclusive events and live show releases to in-depth analyses and corrections of past content, Chelsea and Lauren offer their unique perspectives with wit and candor. Below is a detailed breakdown of the episode's key discussions, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.

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1. Upcoming Events and Announcements

Arcade Vintage Event with Liz Goldwyn (02:00 – 03:02)

The hosts kick off by promoting an exclusive event scheduled for Thursday, May 22nd, at Arcade, a renowned vintage store in downtown Los Angeles. Liz Goldwyn will host her second closet sale, featuring rare and fabulous pieces. The event includes a Q&A session at 6:30 PM, followed by shopping and cocktails at 7:00 PM.

• Lauren Garoney: “If you live in Los Angeles, this coming Thursday, May 22nd, we are doing a very cute little event at Arcade…”

Release of Live Show from Sydney (03:02 – 05:46)

Chelsea and Lauren announce the imminent release of their live show, filmed in Sydney, Australia, in December of the previous year. They candidly discuss the challenges faced during editing, particularly Chelsea's habit of closing her eyes while speaking, which required significant adjustments.

• Tatiana: “Chelsea realized as she was watching the edit that oftentimes when she speaks, she closes her eyes as she is speaking.”
• Lauren Garoney: “I did not know this about myself, so you can imagine how horrified I was to watch nearly two hours.”

They reveal that the live show will be available on Patreon and for purchase, with special perks for subscribers of the Richard Burton Tier and above.

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2. Corrections to the Met Gala Episode

Demi Moore's Thom Browne Gown (06:01 – 09:19)

The hosts revisit their previous Met Gala episode to correct and expand on their analysis. They clarify that Demi Moore's Thom Browne gown was designed to resemble a giant necktie, a detail evident in Thom Browne's original sketches. They discuss how the sequin fabric and bodice design affected the tie illusion.

• Lauren Garoney: “Yes, the concept was clear on the page, but something got lost in translation.”

Sarah Jessica Parker's Absence (07:17 – 11:24)

A significant correction revolves around the absence of Sarah Jessica Parker (SJP) at the Met Gala, contrary to their initial assumption. They speculate on potential reasons, including SJP's possible desire to avoid the "eat the rich" vibes of the event.

• Lauren Garoney: “I think it's fine that SJP sat this one out…”

They express disappointment that iconic figures like Grace Jones were also absent, emphasizing the missed opportunities for richer fashion commentary.

Louis Vuitton's Lisa Bodysuit Controversy (09:02 – 10:32)

Chelsea addresses controversies surrounding Lisa from Blackpink's Louis Vuitton bodysuit, clarifying misconceptions about its design featuring Rosa Parks's face.

• Chelsea Fairless: “We wanted to be first, and therefore we have no choice but to be doing corrections and omissions the following week.”

Nicole Kidman's Wig Revelation (10:14 – 11:24)

Finally, they reveal that Nicole Kidman was indeed wearing a wig at the Met Gala, a fact they initially overlooked.

• Titiana: “Learning that we were wrong and that Nicole Kidman was indeed wearing a wig to the Met Gala was...”

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3. Discussion on Gay Billionaires and Barry Diller's Memoir

Clarifications on Gay Billionaires (15:14 – 16:43)

The conversation shifts to the topic of gay billionaires, where they correct previous misinformation about Gustav Widtso, clarifying that he is not gay despite earlier assumptions.

• Titiana: “The Norwegian fish farming billionaire, Gustav Widtso, is actually not gay. He has an American wife and children.”

Barry Diller's Memoir and Sexuality (16:43 – 19:24)

They delve into Barry Diller's recent memoir, uncovering his bisexuality through his marriage to Diane von Furstenberg. The hosts discuss societal perceptions of bisexuality, especially in high-profile relationships, and the implications of Diller's revelations.

• Titiana: “Barry Diller confirmed in his new memoir… that his marriage to Furstenberg is not a lavender marriage and they are indeed lovers.”
• Lauren Garoney: “I think it really speaks to different attitudes towards bisexuality with men and women…”

They express concerns about how such revelations might influence societal standards and relationship dynamics, particularly among millennials.

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4. TV and Media News

Practical Magic 2 Teaser and Streaming Changes (13:34 – 22:27)

Chelsea and Lauren discuss the teaser for Practical Magic 2, expressing excitement about the sequel and speculating on its release format. They also comment on Warner Brothers Discovery reverting their streaming service name back to HBO Max.

• Lauren Garoney: “Something old, and something new. Let the spell begin… September 18, 2026.”
• Tatiana: “In a move no one or everyone saw coming, Warner Brothers Discovery has changed their streaming service name back to HBO Max. Hallelujah.”

They critique the rebranding strategy as confusing and express relief at the return to a more familiar name.

Ryan Murphy's New Show "All's Fair" (24:48 – 26:49)

The hosts preview Ryan Murphy's latest creation, "All's Fair", a law show inspired by Kim Kardashian and Laura Wasser. They analyze the show's trailer, noting its camp elements and strategic casting of high-profile names like Glenn Close and Naomi Watts.

• Tatiana: “The trailer presents a show that asks aging millennials a question…”
• Lauren Garoney: “Kim has been in Paris this week… this is a clever nod to the show’s themes.”

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5. Madonna Biopic Resurgence (28:42 – 33:27)

Madonna's Limited Series Revival (28:42 – 33:27)

Lauren and Tatiana explore the revival of the Madonna biopic, initially stalled during the pandemic. Shawn Levy's production company, 21 Laps, is now collaborating with Madonna to develop a Netflix limited series encompassing her life's various eras.

• Tatiana: “The long-awaited Madonna biopic has been resurrected as a potential limited series for Netflix.”
• Lauren Garoney: “I don't know. It's so hard because Madonna has had such an interesting life.”

They express both excitement and apprehension about the project's direction, discussing potential casting choices and narrative structures.

• Tatiana: “We need a different actress for early Madonna…”
• Lauren Garoney: “I would choose Sophie Thatcher from Yellowjackets for a young Madonna.”

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6. West Village Girls and New York Culture

New York Magazine's "West Village Girls" Article (41:45 – 51:15)

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting Brock Collier's New York Magazine cover story titled "It Must Be Nice to be a West Village Girl". The article critiques the current generation of young women in the West Village, highlighting their uniform fashion sense and the impact of platforms like TikTok on neighborhood culture.

• Tatiana: “These women... wear the local uniform: a white tank, light wash jeans, sambas…”
• Lauren Garoney: “They have a little uniform… but they're not all apolitical.”

The hosts reminisce about the West Village's past vibrancy and its transformation from a bohemian hub to a bustling area dominated by affluent young women, drawing comparisons to "Sex and the City" and noting the disconnect between longtime residents and the new generation.

• Lauren Garoney: “Sex in the City changed this neighborhood…”
• Tatiana: “These girls, they don't even know who Sarah Jessica Parker is…”

They discuss the socio-economic factors contributing to the trend, such as exorbitant rent prices and the lifestyle of youth who are often subsidized by their parents.

• Tatiana: “A dingy one-bedroom goes for $7,000…”
• Lauren Garoney: “I live in LA because I can rent a house for less than they are paying in rent.”

Comparisons to "Sex and the City" and Lena Dunham’s Essay (52:11 – 55:58)

The conversation transitions to Lena Dunham's recent essay about her traumatic experiences growing up in New York City. They draw parallels between the essay's depiction of New York and the experiences of the new West Village girls.

• Lauren Garoney: “She describes coming back to New York after two years… having a panic attack in the cab line at JFK.”
• Tatiana: “Lena Dunham’s piece is about anxiety and the city’s unsuitability for someone with obsessive-compulsive tendencies.”

The hosts empathize with Dunham's perspective, reflecting on their own challenging memories of New York City and the city's demanding environment.

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7. Real Housewives of New York Cancellation and Franchise Critique

Real Housewives Cancellation and Future (57:26 – 60:31)

Chelsea and Lauren address the rumors surrounding the cancellation of "The Real Housewives of New York", clarifying that while the show is on hiatus for a casting overhaul, they express skepticism about the longevity of the franchise. They critique the shift from authentic, dramatic moments to more manufactured conflicts, suggesting that the golden era of the Real Housewives has passed.

• Tatiana: “I think we might be beyond the Real Housewives franchise…”
• Lauren Garoney: “They have been producing or trying to engineer the show…”

They contemplate the possibility that the franchise may need to evolve or conclude, as newer generations change viewing preferences and the allure of reality TV fades.

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8. Review of "The Rehearsal" and "You" TV Shows

"The Rehearsal" Episode Analysis (60:31 – 67:55)

The hosts review an episode of "The Rehearsal", focusing on its innovative storytelling and controversial content. They recount Nathan Fielder's creative yet bizarre reenactment of Sully Sullenberger's heroics during the Hudson River landing, highlighting the show's blend of humor and unsettling themes.

• Lauren Garoney: “What are the odds?”
• Tatiana: “The rehearsal makes everything a bit it…”

They discuss the surreal elements, such as simulated adult baby scenarios and graphic depictions, praising the show's high production values while expressing unease over its experimental nature.

"You" Season Review (68:39 – 75:54)

Chelsea and Tatiana share their thoughts on the latest season of "You", critiquing its narrative choices and character development. They appreciate the first half's classic "You" charm but express frustration with the latter half's drawn-out plotlines and unsatisfying conclusions.

• Lauren Garoney: “The final episode was very unsatisfying…”
• Tatiana: “I really want one of these Dexter-like shows about a woman…”

They lament the absence of a compelling female protagonist akin to Dexter, advocating for more nuanced and balanced storytelling in future seasons.

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9. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode concludes, Chelsea and Lauren reiterate their excitement for upcoming projects, including their live event with Liz Goldwyn and new podcast releases. They invite listeners to engage with their community and stay tuned for future episodes filled with insightful commentary and fashion-focused discussions.

• Tatiana: “We'll be back next week with a Sex and the City rewatch episode…”
• Lauren Garoney: “If you live in LA, please RSVP to our Liz Goldwyn event.”

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Notable Quotes

• Chelsea Fairless (02:00): “We can pick up new conversations from the ground up.”
• Lauren Garoney (06:30): “Something got lost in translation.”
• Tatiana (15:14): “Two people paying homage to two different people.”
• Lauren Garoney (16:43): “He's not gay, he's bi.”

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Conclusion

Episode 221 of Every Outfit offers a compelling blend of fashion analysis, cultural critique, and personal anecdotes. Chelsea and Lauren effectively navigate through diverse topics, providing listeners with thoughtful insights and entertaining discussions. Whether dissecting high-profile events like the Met Gala or exploring the evolving dynamics of New York's West Village, the hosts maintain a balance of expertise and relatability, making this episode a must-listen for fashion and pop culture enthusiasts.

Transcript

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[Tatiana]

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[Christine]

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[Tatiana]

Fashion has changed. Hi, I'm Lauren Garoney.

[Lauren Garoney]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Tatiana]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. We have so much stuff to get into, but if you guys will indulge me, I need to ask Chelsea a question because. I'm sorry, did you schedule a talk with us in Liz Goldwyn next week? Because you do understand I could give birth at any moment.

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay, Surely he'll stay up there for one more week.

[Tatiana]

God willing. I don't want my water to break over Liz Goldwyn's priceless vintage. Or maybe I do.

[Lauren Garoney]

So for those of you who live in Los Angeles, this coming Thursday, May 22nd, we are doing a very cute little event at Arcade, which is an incredible vintage store in downtown la. Liz is doing her second closet sale. It is full of lots of rare, fabulous pieces. We will be doing a little Q and A with Liz at 6:30 sharp and then around 7 shopping will start and I think there's cocktails and things.

[Tatiana]

Of that nature mocktails for Liz and myself. So yeah, we would love for you guys to, I mean most importantly come by and shop. But also say hello to us, say hi to us.

[Lauren Garoney]

You do need to RSVP though we will put the link in the show notes. I'll probably have to peace out around 7:38 though because I have to pick my parents up from the airport in Burbank.

[Tatiana]

I love this for you.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's a big day for me, so.

[Tatiana]

We hope to see you there. In other exciting news, we will finally be releasing our live show, the show that we toured last year. We filmed it in Sydney, Australia in December.

[Lauren Garoney]

The show that you have been procrastinating editing for several months now.

[Tatiana]

Was I procrastinating the editing or was I procrastinating showing you the edit and getting your notes? Because when we finally got around to that this past weekend, you made a horrifying discovery about yourself, which is something that Tatiana and I have known about you for years and assumed you knew as well.

[Lauren Garoney]

How the fuck would I know if no one told me?

[Tatiana]

Chelsea realized as she was watching the edit that oftentimes when she speaks, she closes her eyes as she is speaking.

[Lauren Garoney]

I did not know this about myself, so you can imagine how horrified I was to watch hours. Not hours, but nearly two hours. And then poor Lauren had to go back and like change all the parts where my eyes are like super closed to the wide shot. So you can't really tell.

[Tatiana]

We will be releasing the live show on Patreon. It is available for purchase. We understand some of you listen to the podcast. You're not ready to commit to the Patreon. That's fine. You will be able to buy it as a one off purchase. It is, as Chelsea said, nearly two hours.

[Lauren Garoney]

However, if you are a Patreon subscriber at the Richard Burton Tier and above, it will be free. So perhaps a good time to upgrade. We also have a very cool mailing next month that will be for the Richard Burton girlies.

[Tatiana]

There's less of them, but we can't leave out our Isabelle pair. Girls and Gays.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, those are truly the real ones.

[Tatiana]

If enough people request it, perhaps I will do what I will call every outfit live in Sydney. The Eyes Wide Shut edits of Just Chelsea's eyes. Exclusively closed. And I know some of you might be wondering why don't you just give this to us for free or include it in our subscription. And we really want to. However, you know that we've talked about this for a while, but we do have to pay for things in the Every Outfit studio at this point because you guys have not seen the studio yet. It must feel like a Ponzi scheme of some sort, but we swear it's coming. And we need to pay for lights and cameras and a life coach to help Chelsea not close her eyes when she speaks, when she's on camera. This stuff is expensive.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yes. So we're basically reinvesting in the business. Moving on.

[Tatiana]

Well, we do have more housekeeping. There really is so much stuff to get into. But before we can get into the news of the week, there are some, I will call it, corrections and omissions in regards to our Met Gala episode.

[Lauren Garoney]

I'm so glad we're doing this and we are going to do this every single year moving forward because we always try and record the Met Gala episode as soon as possible because people get really sick of hearing about the Met Gala. But because we do that, we don't necessarily have the context for certain things at the time of recording. But now we do. So let's get into it. Let's start with the fact that Demi Moore's tom brown gown was designed to look like a giant straight tie.

[Tatiana]

To give us a little credit is only obvious when you see Thom Browne's original sketch. Then you look at Demi Moore's alpha and you go, I see it now.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yes, the concept was clear on the page, but something got lost in translation. I think it's because it was a sequin dress. It wasn't the kind of shiny woven fabric that we associate with ties. Also, I think for the concept to work, the bodice needed to be a little puffier if that was supposed to be the part of the tie where it's knotted.

[Tatiana]

There's also in Demi Moore's Instagram post about the Met Gala, there's one shot that appears almost from above, which also aids the optical illusion of it looking like a tie. Looking at her ensemble head on, it's hard to see the illusion of a tie.

[Lauren Garoney]

We neglected to mention the fact that Sarah Jessica Parker was nowhere to be found.

[Tatiana]

We for sure thought that she would be there. The fact that she is a frequent guest of the Met Gala, the fact that and Just like that will be premiering in two weeks. We thought that she would be a shoo in, but I guess she was a shoe out.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, I wonder what the reasoning is because it does seem seem like timing wise, this would be a logical way to start the and just like that season three promotion. But I also think that like Sarah Jessica Parker is like someone that really wants to be of the people and maybe she did realize like this could be giving eat the rich vibes this year. And I want no part in that because it's not as if she wasn't in town or had a conflict or something. And she usually never misses the Met Gala.

[Tatiana]

We have no access to Sarah Jessica Parker, but if we did, would ask her why she was not at the Met Gala.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's really sad that HBO doesn't just buy a whole table for the end, just like that crew. It's only like 350k. It seems like that would be a worthwhile investment. Like if Ryan Murphy can do that for the cast of Poes.

[Tatiana]

Yeah, throw Nathan Fielder in there.

[Lauren Garoney]

I think it's fine that SJP sat this one out. But you know who really should have been there that wasn't who? Grace Jones. Isn't that crazy? Like, that's who Alaia or Saint Laurent should have dressed like. She actually likes wearing menswear by choice.

[Tatiana]

Well, now I'm scared to be like. And no one even referenced Grace Jones, but I'm scared that a fuckette's gonna be like, how could you have not seen so and so?

[Lauren Garoney]

I don't know if there are so many literal Grace Jones references, but even someone like Janelle Monae, the lineage is certainly there.

[Tatiana]

I want to give you kudos, Chelsea, for not taking the Internet rage bait and correctly noting that you had doubts that Lisa from Blackpink's Vuitton bodysuit was representative of Rosa Parks's face on her crotch area.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yes. Henry Taylor, the artist that designed these pieces in collaboration with Louis Vuitton, confirmed that the face was his neighbor. He said that all of the images used in the Louis Vuitton collaborations were from existing artworks of family and friends. So all those think pieces a tad premature.

[Tatiana]

Do you want to be first or do you want to get it right? We wanted to be first, and therefore we have no choice but to be doing corrections and omissions the following week.

[Lauren Garoney]

The cut really did Lisa dirty with that headline, which was, is that really Rosa Parks on Lisa's crotch? Like that is engineered for outrage. The only thing worse would be like, is that Harriet Tubman on Kourtney Kardashian's G string?

[Tatiana]

I mean, to be fair, they left the door open. The answer could have been yes or no.

[Lauren Garoney]

True.

[Tatiana]

I think in more upsetting news to us personally, learning that we were wrong and that Nicole Kidman was indeed wearing a wig to the Met Gala.

[Lauren Garoney]

It looks like realistic hair, but in the close ups, you can see the lace front on her wig.

[Tatiana]

I just assume that she has incredibly short hair if she's wearing all of those wigs. But if not, then what is going on underneath there.

[Lauren Garoney]

I know.

[Tatiana]

I think we could sell this documentary to Netflix.

[Lauren Garoney]

Also, we were lamenting at the lack of Christopher John Rogers, but he did dress Ego Wodom and Lauren Santo Domingo. And Lauren Santo Domingo's outfit was one of the chicest things I've ever seen.

[Tatiana]

Truly, if we can't get press credentials for the Met Gala, I beg for Vogue to start putting outfit credits.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's truly crazy because they know in advance what everyone is wearing. But even on vogue.com like they always do a post that's like every outfit at the Met Gala, basically they don't give designer credits in that gallery. They always do in their best dressed pics. But that's a much smaller group of.

[Tatiana]

People, which then forces us to triangulate between Vogue, Women's Wear Daily and then other random outlets to figure out who's wearing what.

[Lauren Garoney]

Truly, we need a press release that just goes out to everyone the second that Rihanna leaves the red carpet. That's like this is who designed what. And also this was the inspiration because now there's so much lore attached to every single outfit that these people wear.

[Tatiana]

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[Lauren Garoney]

Okay, what else do we need to talk about?

[Tatiana]

Obviously, we need to get into the la Roach Zendaya vs Anna Sawai of it all. We were partially incorrect. Zendaya's outfit was also, in addition to being inspired by Bianca Jagger, was of course inspired by Diana Ross in Mahogany.

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay. But she literally does not wear a tuxedo in that movie. I want to push back on that a little bit. I think it's more an homage to how Diana Ross dressed in the 70s in a more general way. The hat is mahogany. Sure. Although it wasn't white in mahogany. It was like a buttercream type color. But also, Diana Ross did wear a tuxedo to the Oscars around that same time. So very much in keeping with her look. Although I just want to clarify, not so much as a literal mahogany costuming.

[Tatiana]

Reference and just to take people behind the curtain a little bit. We have extensive notes and that was something that was in both of our notes. But just sometimes in the conversation we kind of gloss over stuff and it's hard to get back to that.

[Lauren Garoney]

We did not intentionally commit. Diana Ross erasure is basically what we're saying.

[Tatiana]

Or Mahogany erasure. We have talked about that film. I believe we did an episode a couple years ago about the best fashion films or fashion design in films.

[Lauren Garoney]

No, it was films about fashion designers.

[Tatiana]

There we go. And also, I know people have pushed back on us of like, Anna Sawai wasn't inspired by Yoko Ono. Zendaya wasn't inspired by Bianca Jagger. I'm just gonna drop in this clip from the man himself saying what the references were.

[Christine]

Two people paying homage to two different people. You know, Yoko being honest and so inspiration and Diana and Bianca being ours.

[Lauren Garoney]

So there you have it. Okay, this is a funny correction. I guess Gustav Widtso, the Norwegian fish farming billionaire, is actually not gay. He has an American wife and children.

[Tatiana]

And thank you, are more than handful of Norwegian. I really did not expect to have so many Norwegian listeners leave comments slide into our DMs to tell us that. No, they do not. With him. I should have stepped in and said that. We do have our own gay billionaires, most notably Tim Cook and Peter Thiel.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, I can't believe we forgot about Peter Thiel. He gave us PayPal but took away Gawker.

[Tatiana]

Indeed.

[Lauren Garoney]

You win some, you lose some. Also, Barry Diller, a bi billionaire, although he wasn't technically out when we recorded last week's episode.

[Tatiana]

And what a lovely transition. Chelsea. American businessman, creator of the TV movie and TV miniseries, founder of Fox television network, and most importantly, husband of Diane von Furstenberg. Barry Diller confirmed in his new memoir, who Knew? Something that has long been speculated, which is he is a gay man. However, what we didn't know is that his marriage to Furstenberg is not a lavender marriage and they are indeed lovers.

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay, so therefore he's not gay. He's bi.

[Tatiana]

He does not define things as such.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, he doesn't use any words to describe his sexuality. He's just very upfront about the fact that he was always with men, like from when he was a teenager. He meets DIANE in the 70s, they date for quite some time. They break up because Diane fucks Richard Gere circa American Gigolo. So fair.

[Tatiana]

We should say that we are getting this information because New York magazine released an excerpt from his memoir that just came out this past Tuesday, where he talks about his love affair with Diane. I should add context that not only was it insulting that Dayon von Furstenberg cheated on him with Richard Gere while he was making American Gigolo, he was also the head of Paramount, which was making American Gigolo at the time.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, that's very embarrassing. I totally get it. So they break up and then they come back together years later and end up getting married in 2001, and they've been married ever since. Married but living in separate apartments. He said that Diane is the only woman he's ever been intimate with. And otherwise he's been with guys. So it's like, I don't think that means he's gay, which is what literally everyone is saying. It's sad because I feel like he's justifying this as if he's, like, the only person that's ever had sex with men and women.

[Tatiana]

To speak for my heterosexual ladies, I do worry that this is now going to be the new straight single ladies white whale. Like, you know, Carrie and Sex and the City brought about. Like, I can make an emotionally unavailable man emotionally available to me. Right? The Mr. Big Love Story. I feel like for millennials, it's like, I got the poly guy to be monogamous with me. Now the new flex is Gonna be like, oh, my husband. Well, yes, he's gay, but he's only straight for me. He's only attracted to me.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yes, I turned my equino and now he's my husband. It's also crazy, and I think it really speaks to different attitudes towards bisexuality with men and women, because Diane von Furstenberg has also had relationships and had sex with women, which was discussed in the documentary that came out last year that we talked about.

[Tatiana]

They're just fluid.

[Lauren Garoney]

No one's calling her a lesbian because of that.

[Tatiana]

Do you want to claim her for the team?

[Lauren Garoney]

I claim her as a queer woman, but it's. It's cool. Neither of them seem very interested in labels, although I think because they never use those labels, then people sort of ascribe, maybe labels that are incorrect to them.

[Tatiana]

Now I just want a conversation between Barry Diller and JoJo Siwa about their fluid sexuality. Chelsea, I have a question for you. What are you doing September 18, 2026? Do you have any plans?

[Lauren Garoney]

I do now.

[Tatiana]

That's right. We got a teaser for Practical Magic 2. Does it feature any of the actresses? Sort of. It features their voices saying, this.

[Lauren Garoney]

Tooth of wolf and morning dew.

[Christine]

Something old.

[Tatiana]

And something new Let the spell begin to mix.

[Lauren Garoney]

September 18, 2026.

[Tatiana]

A teaser before they've even begun Filming is wild. I mean, I'm here for it.

[Lauren Garoney]

I'm here for it too. It got me so excited.

[Tatiana]

I was gonna say, now I have something to live for until. But I suppose it would be my child. I should probably say that.

[Lauren Garoney]

Something else to live for.

[Tatiana]

You know what, Chell? I want to see Practical Magic 2 in 4 DX.

[Lauren Garoney]

Oh, I'm down for that.

[Tatiana]

I've been telling Chelsea about this 40x experience because truly, the things that I've missed most in my pregnancy is sushi. And the ability to see movies in 40x and 40x is essentially being on, like, a roller coaster. The seats move based on the action. There's like, a tickler option. There's mist and fog. And I think Practical Magic 2 would be very fun to experience that way. I agree.

[Lauren Garoney]

I just can't believe this is happening. Because no one was talking about making a Practical Magic sequel in 1999. Like, it kind of came and went. It always had an audience, but it's not like it was this huge smash hit at the time. The same was true of Hocus Pocus. It was like a slow burning sort of thing. And I think this speaks to the fact that we just need more witch movies, more sort of Light and fluffy witch movies. Like, I loved the witch, but that was scary as fuck.

[Tatiana]

Vampires are back in fashion. Zombies are now back in fashion. Give us some witches.

[Lauren Garoney]

Give us some. Just warm and fuzzy witches.

[Tatiana]

Will this film be in theaters next year or will it be on Max? Or should I say HBO Max?

[Lauren Garoney]

Oh, my God. Waking up to that was crazy.

[Tatiana]

In a move no one or everyone saw coming, Warner Brothers Discovery has changed their streaming service name back to HBO Max. Hallelujah.

[Lauren Garoney]

I never could find it in my heart to delete the HBO Max app from my Smart tv. So I've just been letting it chill down there all of this time.

[Tatiana]

Oh, Chelsea, I have HBO Go. I have HBO now, I think. Yeah, And I never deleted HBO Max. Is our Max app going to become HBO Max?

[Lauren Garoney]

And we're about to find out. But you know what? Good they needed to do this. It was confusing.

[Tatiana]

I have to imagine that this choice was made by a singular man at Warner Brothers who did not look at the research data at all, just thought this was a good idea. And that man was fired last week. And the first thing they did after he was fired was switch it back to HBO Max. Or else why? Why now?

[Lauren Garoney]

It's pretty crazy.

[Tatiana]

The amount of montages that HBO itself has posted on social media of their own stars, from Colin Farrell to Jean Smart to the cast of House of Dragon, literally. Not remembering that it is Max is astounding.

[Lauren Garoney]

See, I liked the fact that their rollout strategy for this rebrand was very self deprecating. But you did not enjoy this.

[Tatiana]

Yes, it's very clear that the various social media managers have saved all of the memes about this for like the last six months or year, however long the reign of terror of Max has been. But yeah, I was just sort of like, why? Why do you get to have a sense of humor about this? You're the ones that did this to us. Whether you work from home and never know what to put on, or you're just not in love with anything, when you open up your closet, it's time to find clothes that work for your life right now, whatever phase you're in. Splendid has cozy, stylish, timeless pieces you'll actually be excited to we. This may come as a surprise to some, but I love Splendid. My mom loves Splendid. And guess what? Baby Morty will love Splendid because my mom and I have both gotten him little outfits from Splendid. I've been putting together a postpartum capsule collection of sorts, and Splendid has everything I'm looking for for my maternity leave. Think buttery soft tees, pull on pants that fit just right, easy sets, sweaters for every season and so much more. Their pieces are next level soft and actually hold up in the wash. Right now, Splendid is offering our listeners 20% off. You go to splendid.com and use promo code outfit at checkout or when you shop at Splendid in stores. And even better, the promo code is stackable with other promotions. Go to splendid.com and use code Alpha for 20% off online or in store. That's splendid.com promo code outfit. We got our first taste of Ryan Murphy's latest creation, the Kim Kardashian Laura Wasser inspired law show. All's Fair and I'm in.

[Lauren Garoney]

I'm in too. This show looks crazy.

[Tatiana]

Well, the trailer presents a show that asks aging millennials a question, which is do you want a show that's like the First Wives Club with the narrative impulses of Nip Tuck, but it also.

[Lauren Garoney]

Looks very nighttime soap opera, like in a Dynasty kind of way. Also, the use of Cell Block Tango in the trailer is genius and clearly just baiting gay audiences. That and the presence of Glenn Close.

[Tatiana]

I would say that there's several camp dog whistles, like the fact that their first client seems to be Elizabeth Berkeley of First Wives Club and Showgirls fame. I have seen people freak out that Kim Kardashian has top billing over Naomi Watts and Glenn Close. And I just want to say, like, that wasn't a mistake. Those are things that are contractually negotiated way ahead of time. And I'm sorry, but Ryan Murphy, for better or worse, built this show around Kim Kardashian.

[Lauren Garoney]

She's also a producer. Kris Jenner is a producer on this show. Also, I screamed when I saw that their law offices literally look like Kim's house in Calabasas.

[Tatiana]

It's giving beige.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's like a minimalist monastery.

[Tatiana]

I mean, look, if I'm divorcing my husband, that's the vibe I want.

[Lauren Garoney]

I also think it's really interesting that Kim has been in Paris this week because when she got robbed, held at gunpoint all those years ago, this is somehow only going to trial now in France.

[Tatiana]

To be fair, I think they caught the guys only a few years ago. It did take several years for them to find all the guys that robbed Kim. But we are still unpacking the confusing French law system that we first experience in Anatomy of a Fall.

[Lauren Garoney]

Seriously. But I saw the paparazzi photos of her and Chris around Paris and I was like, this looks like the costuming for all's Fair. This is not how they usually dress.

[Tatiana]

Chris's hair that kind of long bob, but with like flipped out at the bottom is exactly how Kim's hair is in the All's Fair trailer.

[Lauren Garoney]

In the All's Fair trailer also, we see Kim, like with a straight tie and a suit jacket. Very much not her style. And that is how Chris is dressing. Although I just want to touch upon this for a second because this whole straight women wearing straight ties epidemic has gotten completely out of hand.

[Tatiana]

I sort of feel like this is a curse. And I feel like we may have started it because years ago we had a post, I believe, showing a Miranda outfit where she's wearing a straight tie. And we're like, straight women don't wear straight ties. Which we got a lot of pushback from women. And now like seven years later, this is the go to style.

[Lauren Garoney]

Seven years later, it's actually finally become a trend, which is fine. And you know what some girls like. If you're the kind of girl that can carry off a lot of fashion and are like super hot, like, like, sure do it. But most people, this looks crazy on. Especially if you're not like butch in any way or androgynous in any way, I guess.

[Tatiana]

Well, what I find funny is in the All's Fair trailer that seems to be the go to style for Kim. Naomi Watts in one scene. Niecy Nash. I don't know if you clock this. I believe Sarah Paulson. I caught a glimpse of Sarah Paulson engaging in simulated heterosexual sex in the trailer, which to me says recession indicator.

[Lauren Garoney]

You know what, I actually don't mind the ties on Kris Jenner because she has the prerequisite short hair. You know, it's like if you're gonna do the look, like, do the look.

[Tatiana]

There's also something too, and I'll call it costuming of Kris Jenner and the costumes in All's Fair that, you know, I feel like we need to give Paula Poundstone her due. The color palette, the ties, the hair, it all comes back to her.

[Lauren Garoney]

It does. She is an icon, truly.

[Tatiana]

So I guess that's my hope for All's Fair is that Paula Poundstone is a client. In one episode. I have good news. The long awaited Madonna biopic has been resurrected as a potential limited series for Netflix. If you remember, during the pandemic, Universal Studios announced Madonna co wrote and would be directing a biopic about her own life and Julia Garner was set to star. That fell apart. Several years went by and we've learned that Shawn Levy's production company, 21 Laps, is working with Madonna to bring this project back to life. According to Deadline, the duo has been discussing the project for a while, but they are starting from scratch. So this limited series could go through Madonna's entire life. I believe the biopic that was set up at Universal was like from when she Gets to New York to the Blonde Ambition tour. Now, I thought this would be news that would delight Chelsea, but I think you discovered in researching this story something truly shocking about Shawn Levy, which is.

[Lauren Garoney]

He'S not gay, he's married, he has four kids, and he's directed and produced some of the worst movies I've ever seen.

[Tatiana]

To be fair, his company is the production company behind Stranger Things.

[Christine]

Oh.

[Lauren Garoney]

And just because that's also said in the 80s, he's qualified to do the Madonna biopic.

[Tatiana]

So your feeling is that we need a gay person at the helm of this?

[Lauren Garoney]

I think we need a gay man or we need a woman. We just need someone cool. Like, I feel like this is going to be cheesy.

[Tatiana]

Yes. You were none too happy when I told you that his latest film was Deadpool vs. Wolverine.

[Lauren Garoney]

Like, that is absolutely the wrong person.

[Tatiana]

To be fair, he's just producing it. So he might not be the director behind it, but you need a very strong personality to work with Madonna about her own life. I mean, the fact that the only way we were previously going to get a Madonna biopic was if she wrote and directed it scares me a little bit.

[Lauren Garoney]

Oh, for sure. I don't know. It's so hard because Madonna has had such an interesting life. There are so many eras of Madonna. It's too much, frankly, for a feature length film unless it's isolated to one time period. I think I would pick the pre fame Madonna maybe into like a virgin era or something like that, when people.

[Tatiana]

Started dressing like her, maybe culminating in her wedding with Sean Penn.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's a lot though, because I think if you focus on Madonna's early years, it could be more of a just Kids meets Slaves of New York kind of ordeal, which I think would be cool. Or you could do something that's ping ponging between different time periods, like Judy did, where it's like, okay, we have Judy like right before she died, and then Judy while she's filming wizard of Oz.

[Tatiana]

Do you remember? I think it was an HBO movie that was about Marilyn Monroe, where it was like Norma Jean and Marilyn.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yes.

[Tatiana]

One actress played Norma Jean and one actress, I think Mira Sorvino played Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I feel like we need to do that. I think the only way to do this, if we're doing multiple eras of Madonna, different actresses for every era, it.

[Lauren Garoney]

Could be kind of like the Hours if all of those different plot lines were about the same person.

[Tatiana]

Absolutely. Because even when Julia Garner was cast as Madonna, it is perfect casting, but for a very particular time and place of Madonna, which is 89 to 92 Madonna. Which is why I think you need a different actress for early Madonna. Maybe you can plug Julia Garner back.

[Lauren Garoney]

In, like Sophie Thatcher from Yellowjackets or something to be young, young Madonna and then Jessica Lange to be present day Madonna.

[Tatiana]

Oh, no, I think Madonna would be present day Madonna. But that would be cool if you could have Madonna and then Debbie Mazur play themselves like in this modern time. And then we like cut it back to the 80s.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah. There are so many ways that you could approach this, but I'm just scared that this is going to be like the Madonna version of like a Bohemian Rhapsody or the Elton John one. The Elton John one was actually kind of okay.

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[Tatiana]

Alright, Chell, time to use our business credit card points to buy some Hollywood foreign press members Rolexes because the Golden Globes will be adding a podcast category to next year's show. Wow. The president of the Golden Globes, a woman named. And I know we're not great at pronunciations, but I'm just gonna tell you what her last name is. Helen Honey. H o e. H N e sure said in a statement. As the world of entertainment continues to evolve, we are excited to recognize new forms of storytelling. Podcasts have emerged as a Profound medium for sharing narratives and building communities across global borders and gener. Don't we know it. Ciao.

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay, so who's gonna be nominated, though? Because if it's actually the most popular podcast, that's what Joe Rogan, Alex Cooper.

[Tatiana]

The Daily Before Lovely Fuckettes. You get your hopes up. There's no way in hell that Chelsea or I's podcast will be nominated, because they will be spotlighting audio and video podcasts that have made a significant impact over the past year, which is defined as the 25 most popular podcast. And then from there, six finalists will be named. But my question is, what charts are we looking at? Because I looked at the Spotify chart, and it yields different results than the Apple charts.

[Lauren Garoney]

I think Apple is the standard. Apple has a higher listenership.

[Tatiana]

I'm glad to hear that. Because if we're going by the Spotify chart, then it would mean that Joe Rogan, Bill Maher, Theo Vaughn, Crime Junkie, Amy Poehler and Dax Shepard would be nominated. I mean, let's be honest here. This award is just to capture all of the actors and presenters that left the industry as a whole and went to podcasting.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, it makes sense that it would be Amy Poehler, Dax Shepard, Conan, all of the celebrity podcasts.

[Tatiana]

Did you enjoy this person on network television in the early 2000s? Well, guess what? They have a podcast now, and it's wildly popular.

[Lauren Garoney]

Shall we get into Cannes?

[Tatiana]

Cannes Film Festival is going on now. And what the hell, they have new red carpet rules. How dare they?

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, they first pissed people off years ago because they required women to wear, quote, unquote, like, glamorous shoes or something that suggested that flats weren't okay.

[Tatiana]

Right. Which Kristen Stewart in 2018 did a slight protest against because she took off her heels when she went up the Palais stairs.

[Lauren Garoney]

Right? And some indigenous guy who wore moccasins to his film about indigenous culture, like, wasn't allowed to go in. So there's a whole controversy around that.

[Tatiana]

Also, just days before the Cannes Film Festival was set to start, they updated their charter, which I didn't even know the Cannes Film Festival had a charter, but evidently they do. And they updated their red carpet dress code that banned full nudity and voluminous ensembles for decency reasons. Nudity is prohibited on the red carpet as well as in any other area of the festival. Voluminous outfits, in particular, those with a large train that hindered the proper flow of traffic of guests and complicated seating in the theater, are not permitted. It goes on to say that if the festival welcoming Teams catch you violating these rules, then they won't let you on the red carpet.

[Lauren Garoney]

So they're basically banning people from serving.

[Tatiana]

The Cannes Film Festival is one of the most well regarded film festivals in the world. But I do just want to note that it's a made up festival. Like literally the French tourism board wanted to bring people to the south of France ahead of the vacationing season. So they came up with this film festival. And within that has always been attention seeking celebrities and nude outfits. So I don't understand why in the year 2025 we're banning it.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, why is this a problem? It's literally what I associate with Cannes fashion is giant gowns and tits and VPLs and stuff of that nature.

[Tatiana]

Yeah, I mean, to me, the most iconic red carpet Cannes moment is Ciculina with her tits out. Our hearts go out to the stylists who have spent weeks, if not months prepping these celebrities outfits, who now completely have to get new outfits from them. Because I saw this tweet that was like, we have our first red carpet casualty. Because I guess Halle Berry was supposed to wear a much more revealing outfit and then had to ditch that for a different dress. However, if she was going to re wear her Met gala gown, then maybe that's for the best.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, see, I feel like putting your tits out is a way of honoring and respecting French culture. Like when and can, you know.

[Tatiana]

Too distracting.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, we'll see what happens. Because I think that it is likely that this will be enforced for some people, but not others. Because you also have to take into consideration that Cannes, in addition to being a film festival, it is also essentially a brand activation for a lot of jewelry companies and a lot of makeup companies that have their brand ambassadors. And it's a very like spawn oriented thing.

[Tatiana]

I have a hard time seeing them denying Bella Hadid onto the red carpet.

[Lauren Garoney]

They'll deny some random influencer, but when it's someone major, they'll let it slide. That would be my prediction.

[Tatiana]

Well, I look forward to reporting on anyone who got Fashion Police by the Cannes Film Festival.

[Lauren Garoney]

See if anyone does, they'll get way too much attention. Like this actually doesn't benefit Cannes in any way.

[Tatiana]

I feel like Julia Fox saw this news story and then immediately booked a ticket to Nice.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, it's like you can still wear a slutty bodysuit. You just can't wear a big train or have your tits out. You could literally wear a bra and panties.

[Tatiana]

Though to be fair, the banning of a voluminous train, not the worst idea.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah true, because they just get bigger and bigger every year.

[Tatiana]

That is a ritualistic torture only befitting for a Saw movie making these actresses walk in six inch heels in a long train up the Palais stairs.

[Lauren Garoney]

Tru Tru.

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[Tatiana]

I think we've said it all about Hollywood news. I know that there is some New York news that we're kind of late on. Shall we get into this New York Magazine Incredibly Divisive West Village Girl article?

[Lauren Garoney]

Yes. Friend of the pod, Brock Collier, wrote a cover story for New York magazine titled It Must Be Nice to be a West Village Rise of Basic Girls and Basic Culture in the West Village. Not to sound like a West Village girl, but I was literally so traumatized reading this article. Like I left New York in 2016 and obviously there are a lot of basic girls living in the West Village then, but now it seems as if it has reached epidemic proportions. And perhaps because of Tik Tok, we're seeing more of them in their culture and the way they live.

[Tatiana]

This is quite a banger New York magazine issue because this issue also features the expose about John Fetterman not being in his right mind. But it's the West Village girls that get the COVID story to give context to people who who haven't read the article. These women, as described by Brock are they move through the neighborhood and path wearing the local uniform, a white tank, light wash jeans and sambas, an iced matcha latte in hand and hair slicked back into a tight ponytail. It was chilly, so several of them were also wearing the Aritzia Super Puffs.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, they have A little uniform.

[Tatiana]

But Chelsea, they're not all apolitical. This is my other favorite part of the article, where some girl is quoted as, you can have a Cartier love bracelet and still care about immigrants rights.

[Lauren Garoney]

That is the best thing ever. Of course that's true. But to state that so plainly is very funny. It also does feel like a bastardized version of the Madonna quote. You can be a spiritual person and still go shopping at Prada or whatever she said in the Ray of Light era.

[Tatiana]

True enough. I think what was shocking for me, and maybe you feel the same way because we lived in New York around the same time, is at least when I moved to New York in 2006, the West Village was, was unattainable. Everyone was looking to Brooklyn and Queens and that's kind of where the cool neighborhoods were developing for me. It was certainly shocking a couple years ago to discover that Dime Square was the new hip neighborhood of like, oh, I didn't realize we were making cool neighborhoods in Manhattan again. And then to learn that like the West Village has been re adopted by a younger generation. I just didn't see that coming.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, I think we should also clarify that these girls, they're all in their early 20s, they all work in finance or marketing or in many or perhaps most instances are subsidized by their parents. Because to rent a studio or a one bedroom in the West Village is about 7k a month, which is insane.

[Tatiana]

As described, a dingy one bedroom goes for 7,000. When I was in college, I was very, very lucky. My parents helped me get into an apartment, but like, they had East Village money, not West Village money. And that was during the financial crisis. I was able to live in the East Village. Like, this is insanity.

[Lauren Garoney]

The West Village has always been the grail. Like, if I could afford a spacious two bedroom in the West Village, I would not live in la. I live in LA because I can rent a house for less than they are paying in rent.

[Tatiana]

I think the other reason that we wanted to talk about this is a lot of what's going on in the West Village currently has its DNA in Sex and the City. As Brock goes on to write, if Sex and the City washed out the last of the neighborhood's bohemians two decades ago and turned the West Village into a celebrity playground where real adults with real incomes live, the pandemic turned it into something else entirely. A bustling sorority house. I think that's what makes it different because as this article points out, I always associated the West Village with like Gen X Parents with money, that is.

[Lauren Garoney]

Who lived there, and boomers.

[Tatiana]

And boomers who had been living there forever.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yes, yes. I counted there were seven references to Sex in the City in this article and two references to Sarah Jessica Parker, specifically because she famously lives in the West Village and she also had her SJP collection store on Bleec in the old Marc Jacobs space. But it's funny because these girls, like, they don't even know who she is or watch Sex in the City yet they are there because of the lineage of Sex in the City. And I think Brock does a really good job of explaining the fact that this is a neighborhood that historically has been full of a lot of creative types and a lot of gay people. But in the 90s, it became a place where a lot of fashion industry people lived. A lot of it girls. Lucy Sykes and Bonnie Morrison are quoted in this article. And because it became sort of a fashiony hotspot, that's naturally the world where Carrie would live, even though she was supposed to live on the Upper east side.

[Tatiana]

I guess my question to you is, has the It Girl been rebranded? And are we just too old for what is qualified as an It Girl these days? Because a big point of the article is how basic these women are. There's even a quote where one of them says basic isn't a bad thing.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, these are not it girls in any sense.

[Tatiana]

In TikTok they are.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're cool. The sad thing is that straight young women who have historically lived in this neighborhood, it's like they are the Carrie Bradshaw types that live in shitty, tiny studio apartments but spend all of their money on clothes. These bitches don't even spend all of their money on clothes. They don't even look good good. Yet they have 7k to spend on rent.

[Tatiana]

Well, I think this is what those that have lived in the neighborhood for a long time, the kind of the Gen X women are commenting on of like, we used to behave badly and party. These girls are uninterested in any of that. Like, I think what makes this different is that there is just this wellness vibe that kind of permeates all of this. Even though they're exclusively like, all these girls want to do is drink espresso martinis or aperol spritzes or matcha lattes or that new Matcha rose latte and vape.

[Lauren Garoney]

The saddest part of this article to me was when they talked to, I believe, the owner of Cowgirl. Cowgirl is the restaurant that was on Sex and the City. It was the restaurant where Steve and Aiden were hanging out with their girlfriends when Miranda and Carrie just stumbled upon them. They have had to repurpose one of their frozen margarita machines and make it a frozen espresso martini machine.

[Tatiana]

The owner referred to it as the new cocaine. I wanted to talk about this with you because we used to go to Cowgirl all of the time when we would first come back to New York after we started the account and we would want to get together with friends. We specifically picked Cowgirl because we were like, where else can we get a table for 10?

[Lauren Garoney]

Cowgirl is great for that reason. Also proximity to all the best bars and it's not that expensive. A lot of restaurants in the West Village, especially if it's like a large party, are so fucking expensive right now and have wait lists and all of that shit.

[Tatiana]

But the idea that all of these 20 something year old girls are infiltrating Cowgirl, it just, just. It blows my mind. Look, I'm glad that their patronage will allow for Cowgirl to, to still exist, but it's just that restaurant was empty again. I mean, this phenomenon's going on in LA with Barney's Beanery where it's like, that was not a cool place when I was growing up.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, same with Saddle Ranch. Saddle Ranch is the Cowgirl of Los Angeles. It's so crazy. And Brock also mentions the Crumble cookie which is really a descendant of the MAGN cupcake.

[Tatiana]

Yes.

[Lauren Garoney]

The funny thing about this is that like this is Sex in the City's fault. It's never explicitly stated, but it's touched upon Sex in the City changed this neighborhood as well as the meat packing district, etc, this part of New York, it's sold this very specific kind of New York fantasy. But the legacy of that is these girls who probably pass Sarah Jessica Parker on the street and don't think anything of it, so she can live anonymously in the West Village. Finally.

[Tatiana]

Yeah, my favorite part of the article is when one of these Gen X women who's lived in the West Village forever goes kind of West Village Karen and walks by the Carrie Bradshaw Perry street stoop and says to these wannabe influencers, excuse me, is that your property? Because this is actually trespassing. We did get an update that the owner was indeed granted permission to install their gate so that they can deter these influencers from trying to take photos on the stoop.

[Lauren Garoney]

Good for him.

[Tatiana]

But then there's this parenthetical in the New York magazine article that says TikTok is filled with recommendations of other neighborhood backdrops to take photos in front of if you get shooed away from this one. Very dark.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, this article made me really sad. It was entertaining, but it saddened me.

[Tatiana]

Which I feel like this article goes hand in hand with Lena Dunham recent essay. Would we call it article?

[Lauren Garoney]

I'd say essay for the New Yorker.

[Tatiana]

Which basically gets into how growing up in New York traumatized her so much that she can no longer live there. This predates the West Village girl.

[Lauren Garoney]

She was out well before that really really popped off. Or well before TikTok, I suppose. I really loved this. I related to it in a lot of ways. And it's not as if Lena Dunham is some outsider who is is coming in and shitting on the greatest city in the world. She was born there. She gets to hate it if she wants to. But what she describes isn't really a hatred of New York so much as anxiety. And I totally get that New York is not a good place for anxious people. It's a really bad place, in fact. You have to have a certain level of stamina to be able to deal with all of that.

[Tatiana]

She basically in the piece goes on to list how every street corner, essentially she has some traumatic memory attached to such as she says. I also hated Central park, though we rarely went because during a class trip I'd seen an ailing pigeon laboring through its final breaths, sitting atop what looked to be a nest of its own intestines. I promptly threw up in the bushes near shrubbery fields. I liked the local park on Thompson in spring, until one day I entered a plastic tube on the jungle gym to find a bald headed man on his belly, reaching his arms out towards me. I hated St. Mark's Place because I had seen a handsome young man asleep on a stoop with a needle in his neck. And it goes on and on, including nowhere is safe Chelsea. Not even her mother's apartment where she once opened the door to go to school and saw a man about to defecate on her mother's front steps.

[Lauren Garoney]

She also shouts out two of my least favorite parts of New York. Canal street. And specifically the smell of rotting fish on a hot day. A nightmare, especially if you're hungover. Also the communal dressing room at Century 21.

[Tatiana]

Ooh, yeah, horrifying.

[Lauren Garoney]

I don't know if that still exists, but no one has good memories there.

[Tatiana]

This is akin to I know you don't shop at Aritzia, but the Aritzia stores have no mirrors in their dressing rooms. So, like, you have a private dressing room, but if you want to see what this piece looks like on you, you have to go out.

[Lauren Garoney]

That's so cruel.

[Tatiana]

Absolutely.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's like, let me look ugly in private.

[Tatiana]

For me, they've been great for non maternity. Maternity stuff. And I was trying on something that was too large for me purposefully. So the salesperson was like, hi, honey, let me get you a smaller size. And I was like, I'm pregnant. This is perfect. And she just scurried away.

[Lauren Garoney]

I think this line from Lena Dunham's essay really says it all. The issue isn't that New Yorkers leer, jeer, curse and shit in public. It's that the city's messy scrum was a poor fit for a chronically ill child with obsessive compulsive tendencies. Seems like a really bad place for someone like that.

[Tatiana]

She also. I might bastardize this, but she makes this point that it's different being born there versus coming there for college in the way that we did in the sense that there is a sort of bargain that we made where we knew how tough and gross it is that when you're born into New York City, you don't get to make that same conscious decision.

[Lauren Garoney]

She says that the choice was made for her by her parents and more.

[Tatiana]

So her mother, who she at one point refers to her mother's true lover, New York, because there was an attempt to move up to Connecticut. Lena Dunham gets into this point towards the end of this essay that, you know, because she wrote the show Girls, she has been saddled with this idea that she's a New York girl and she hates the city.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah. She describes coming back to New York after two years of being overseas during the pandemic and basically like having a panic attack in the cab line at jfk, which I get. It is really intense.

[Tatiana]

Who among us hasn't had a men TB while waiting for a taxi at jfk? One of the reasons that Lena Dunham no longer lives in New York is because an assignment brought her to London. I think it was the show industry at first. And now she married a British man, lives there. And in true Lena Dunham fashion has written a show, a slightly fictionalized version of her current life called Too Much, which will premiere on Netflix. And we got the first images for.

[Lauren Garoney]

The show is premiering on Netflix soon.

[Tatiana]

Soon.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's in July, right?

[Tatiana]

July 10th.

[Lauren Garoney]

Thank God. I didn't think that we were gonna get this so soon.

[Tatiana]

I guess the most startling thing for me, looking at these images Is that Meg Statler, who is, let's be honest, a version of Lena Dunham in this show has like a fucked up dog.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, Lena Dunham has a fucked up dog.

[Tatiana]

That's what I'm saying. Though I didn't think that art would imitate life that exactly.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, I can't wait. And we'll truly have so much going on this summer between. Too much and. And just like that, which we're exactly two weeks away from, Lauren's just shaking her head. Okay, what else?

[Tatiana]

Well, in news that's near and dear to my heart and some of the other fuckettes hearts is the news that the Real Housewives of New York has been canceled. Or has it? The side of the Internet I care about went crazy last week because Bravo posted their upcoming Real Housewives schedule and the Real Housewives of New York was not listed on that schedule. So people assume that the show has been canceled. But Andy Cohen recently clarified on his SiriusXM talk show that they are simply in between seasons and that they are doing a complete casting overhaul. Now, it should be noted, Chel, there are Real Housewives franchises that have been put on pause. I believe Miami aired until 2015 and didn't come back until 2021. And I hope they take their time with this casting process because other than Jeda Lyons, this season has been rough.

[Lauren Garoney]

Oh yeah, I couldn't finish it.

[Tatiana]

If a season's bad, I sometimes just skip to the the reunion just to see the good stuff.

[Lauren Garoney]

See, I just don't like all of the petty little fights. I don't care about them. I don't even think it's campy. It's just boring to me.

[Tatiana]

So this is my hot take that I've shared with with friend of the show, Evan Ross Katz and our friend Maya. Off mic But I feel like it's time to share my hot take, which is I think we might be beyond the Real Housewives franchise. And what I mean by that is the golden era of the Real Housewives. It intertwined with a lot of real life stuff that just happened to be captured by the cameras. You have Teresa going to prison. You have Kyle Richards realizing her sister Kim has fallen off of the wagon while they're shooting the first season. You have Erika Jayne's husband going to prison. We benefited from that as viewers. But because that stuff isn't happening or because those people saw the damage it did on their actual personal lives, they won't allow it to ever get that real again. So we have this manufactured bullshit. Also, my issue with These rebooted casts and the newer cast is. I'm sorry, you can't have people, Chelsea and I's age being housewives because we have grown up on reality television. I think we all have an inherent reality television brain. And you can see these women. You see it on the Real Housewives of New York. I feel like you see it in Dubai where you see them producing or trying to engineer the show. I need a 57 year old woman who doesn't understand what she's doing or saying.

[Lauren Garoney]

If anything, we need to go older than that.

[Tatiana]

Oh, you want like a 70 year old?

[Lauren Garoney]

They probably haven't watched reality TV to the extent that 50 year olds have.

[Tatiana]

Do you want to do the advanced style version of Real Housewives?

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, let's skew older man.

[Tatiana]

I'm into this.

[Lauren Garoney]

Just a thought.

[Tatiana]

Yeah. Unless you're getting Julia Fox, then you are absolutely correct. Let's get some octogenarians in these shows.

[Lauren Garoney]

So shall we move to television?

[Tatiana]

It's not typical for us beyond and just like that to be talking about television shows week to week. But truly the last two weeks of the rehearsal have been the craziest stuff I've ever seen in my life. We have to discuss.

[Lauren Garoney]

I know. Although I saw some tweet that said something to the effect of like describing the rehearsal to people who haven't seen it. Makes you sound crazy.

[Tatiana]

What I love about the rehearsal is the fact that it goes off on so many tangents that I have forgotten what the original premise of this season is, which I guess is to reduce the amount of plane crashes that happen. But I've been very distracted.

[Lauren Garoney]

I don't know, the more we get to know these real life pilots that are featured on the show, the more scared I am to fly.

[Tatiana]

Oh yeah. I'm so thankful our tour was last year and not this year.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's actually really, really terrifying. But I think we wanted to circle back with the rehearsal specifically because of episode three, which was one of the most incredible television moments in history. I think. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before.

[Tatiana]

For those who have not seen it or don't care about watching the season of the Rehearsal, Nathan Fielder decides to dissect one of the most famous, I would say, pilots of the last 20 years, Sully Sullenberg, one of the rare pilots who actually asked his second in command what they should do before safely landing the plane on the Hudson.

[Lauren Garoney]

Were you in New York then?

[Tatiana]

It's 2011. Yeah, I was in New York then.

[Lauren Garoney]

Because that's one of those moments where I remember where I was when the plane crashed in the Hudson. I was at the picture library. Have you ever been there in Bryant Park? It's like Kitty corner from where Carrie and Big were supposed to get married. Another library. And it's literally just a library of folders of different images that are grouped by theme.

[Tatiana]

Very nice. This was your photo researcher days.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, exactly. But that's where I was on that fateful day.

[Tatiana]

I don't remember. But I remember the general conversation of like, because we were just 10 years on from 9, 11, people being like, I did not like seeing a plane flying that low.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Tatiana]

Anyway, in true Nathan Fielder fashion, he decides to rehearse Sully Sullenberg's life as told through his memoir, to try to understand what made Sully ask that co pilot a question unlike so many other captains, which involves Nathan Fielder making himself a baby in maybe the greatest adult baby decorated room I've ever seen in my life.

[Lauren Garoney]

It was truly magical. I don't think I've laughed that hard ever. Maybe I was like, hyperventilating watching the baby stuff. It was so disgusting.

[Tatiana]

Well, yes. Yeah. And he's breastfed by this puppeted gigantic, grotesque creature where breast milk is just shooting out and basically drowning baby Nathan Fielder.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, it's very Ari Aster adjacent. I thought the diaper change was the more disturbing part.

[Tatiana]

I mean, there's a lot of disturbing stuff in that, including. I guess I have to ask. I can't believe I even have to ask this. Do we think Nathan Fielder actually masturbated in that cockpit?

[Lauren Garoney]

I don't know. Probably not.

[Tatiana]

Because there's one part where he's recreating the first time Sully ever flew. And the subtext of the way that Sully Sullenberg writes about it is that he brought a woman that he had a crush on in the plane with him and he became extremely aroused and pleasured himself. But Nathan Fielder swaps out the actual woman with a puppet.

[Lauren Garoney]

I don't think Sully actually jerked off on the plane. I think he was just horny on the plane.

[Tatiana]

Right. But these are the connections that Nathan is making. He reads into that as he probably pleasured himself with, which then makes Nathan Fielder pleasure himself. Or did he? I mean, this is the crazy thing about the rehearsal.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, I think it speaks to how insane the baby stuff was that people aren't even really talking about the jerking off that much.

[Tatiana]

I don't know if people are even talking about the baby stuff because the Episode comes to a crescendo when it is revealed that Sully loves the song Bring Me to Life by Evanescence. And also the startling revelation that he pieces together that there are 23 seconds of silence from the last time Sully speaks to when he asks his co pilot the question of what should we do or have any ideas? And that is the exact length of the chorus of Bring Me to Life, which then caused very hilarious edits that. I sent you one on TikTok where they took the Tom Hanks Sully movie and then put Evanescence over that sequence.

[Lauren Garoney]

I did actually see that for some reason, the movie.

[Tatiana]

I mean, I did too. We talked about this. We love plate crash movies.

[Lauren Garoney]

This show is just so genius. And conceptually it's out there. It's really smart. But also visually, it's so appealing looking. Like the way that that Adult Baby part one was executed was very stylish.

[Tatiana]

Oh, yeah. I mean, the parents on stilts.

[Lauren Garoney]

It looks so good. It just speaks to a really, really high taste level. That's shocking on a show like this.

[Tatiana]

Yeah. And even the high taste level and trying to recreate something that has a low taste level. Like the music competition that happens that we pick up with again in episode four. Which brings us to this lawsuit that this woman, Lana Love, has brought against Nathan Fielder in the show, saying that she lost $10,000 and feels betrayed because, as she says, I signed up to be a singer, not a lab rat. But I'm so in it with the rehearsal. I'm like, is this a bit.

[Lauren Garoney]

It could be. I would not be surprised because this.

[Tatiana]

Woman is alleging that when she auditioned for a music competition show that was to be on hbo, which, frankly, red flag number one, called Wings of Voice, red flag number two, she was excited with the opportunity and thought it would be a genuine opportunity. But I saw this lawsuit before. I had watched the latest episode, and when you see these singers, which I guess she is featured in this music competition where the judges are pilots, that alarm bells didn't go off. That's why I think it's a bit.

[Lauren Garoney]

I don't know. I think if you're a contestant on one of these shows, you're there for the potential exposure. And even though this show is clearly not really a show like American Idol or the Voice or whatever, it is still an HBO show, you are still getting that exposure. I don't see what the problem is. If you've decided to participate in one of these shows, you've already opted into something that is extremely humiliating.

[Tatiana]

I don't know. I'm so excited to see where all of this goes, but the rehearsal makes me so paranoid that I think that everything is a bit it.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, that's not an accident. Question everything.

[Tatiana]

Lauren, I told you something from the rehearsal subreddit that could be considered a a spoiler, but I don't. So if you're watching the rehearsal and don't want to get spoiled, just skip ahead 30 seconds. For those who don't, the subreddit found that there is a commercial pilot license for one Mr. Nathan Fielder. So perhaps this is where the rehearsal is going. He will be getting up on a legitimate commercial airplane and flying it.

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay, but that scares me because becoming a commercial airline pilot, like, surely that's an intense program that takes years, a lot of work, et cetera. Surely it's not that easy.

[Tatiana]

We'll find out. Perhaps the series ends with him and Sully in the cockpit together.

[Lauren Garoney]

Wow.

[Tatiana]

If Sully Sullenberg does not appear in this series and had no idea that episode three was coming. I just love the idea of his grandchildren having to explain this to him. Because as you noted in that tweet, impossible to explain.

[Lauren Garoney]

Shall we move to a show that's easier to wrap one's head around?

[Tatiana]

The show hacks? Yes. Before we get into it, I just want to thank the lovely who DM'd me to prepare me that there was going to be a coyote dog related storyline in the latest episode.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah, what are the odds?

[Tatiana]

Which I was fully prepared for that corgi to die and I was pleasantly surprised when it was simply lightly attacked by the coyote.

[Lauren Garoney]

Isn't a corgi a little too big for a coyote? Like, I don't really worry about my dog because he's almost £90. Although should I Hax is making me question things.

[Tatiana]

And again with Frosty, we don't know if it was a coyote. It could have been a hawk or an eagle. Anyway, enough about that.

[Lauren Garoney]

I really liked that episode. This week's episode. I think it's one of the best episodes of the show ever.

[Tatiana]

Well, I just needed the tension to break between Deborah and Ava. Deborah was being too mean. Too mean to Ava.

[Lauren Garoney]

I know. I'm so upset when they're fighting on the show, which is most of the time.

[Tatiana]

I did enjoy Ava's crash out, which reminded me in my lesser moments where Ava has been trying to befriend the writers team of which he is a boss of and has been paying for their lunches, only to learn that they've been taking advantage of her and ordering way more food, including a $72 bronzino for the table in case anyone gets hungry.

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay. But that was a genius, glamorous woman having a nervous breakdown moment. Her whole breakdown was one of the funniest things I've ever seen on that show.

[Tatiana]

I think it belongs in the pantheon with Julianne Moore and Magnolia.

[Lauren Garoney]

It does. The branzino detail was perfect. I think everyone has the fantasy of driving through one of those security gates, like the ones that go up and down, you know, when you're driving in and out of a parking garage or something.

[Tatiana]

That's triggering something in the back of my brain. When I used to watch Mythbusters, I don't think a car can actually get through one of those. I think it was definitely a dummy one.

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay. Don't question the reality of this scene, which was so perfect. Also, I loved when everyone was trying to look for Ava in the aftermath of her breakdown. We have the Paul Downs character and Meg Statler searching the Americana. And then you have Deborah, like, going up to the, like, the line in front of the queer line dancing at Elson.

[Tatiana]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoney]

Showing her photo as if she's a missing person. And that is the most legit LA thing I've ever seen. That is the funniest, realest thing to parody. Because, guys, queer line dancing has become a big thing here. I have not participated because I hate group dancing, but I think the biggest.

[Tatiana]

Sign of love that Deborah showed was going from her home that's clearly in Beverly Hills or Bel Air, to the east side, to then go all the way to, I assume, Malibu, jump into the ocean, because she sees Ava. Ava trying to kill herself like Sterling Hayden in the Long Goodbye, by the way, only to discover that it's not Ava, and Ava's just been walking around on the beach.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, also, I feel like it was really smart how she got to that point or how Deborah had the realization that she had done wrong by Ava between the coyote incident, where she realized, oh, I didn't protect my dogs from this threat that I was warned about, I'm a bad mother, etc. And then the combination of that and running into Rosie o' Donnell, who's like, why are you good now? What happened to you? Like, why did your standup game come up so much late in your life?

[Tatiana]

Still can't give Ava credit in the moment. But we know. We know why Deborah's comedy got so much better.

[Lauren Garoney]

It honestly made me emotional seeing Rosie. I just. Ugh, I just missed the Rosie o' Donnell show.

[Tatiana]

So Much That Emmy, that Golden Globe is cemented for Jean Smart. But I got very emotional when she. When she was getting increasingly desperate looking for. For Ava. And now finally, what are we in episode six or seven? They have come together and they will be doing their own thing because they can't make the most popular show on late night. And who wants that? Be a Conan, be a Craig Ferguson. I still miss Craig Ferguson's late night show.

[Lauren Garoney]

See, I didn't watch it that much. Although it wasn't bad. I enjoyed it when I did. I watched Conan religiously as a teenager.

[Tatiana]

The Craig Ferguson show is truly a proto podcast because you know those questions the producers have you asked, he would rip them up at the beginning of every interview and just have a conversation with someone. I will apologize to the fuckettes who would like us to talk about the last season of you. I haven't started it.

[Lauren Garoney]

It's fine.

[Tatiana]

Chelsea has.

[Lauren Garoney]

I've finished it.

[Tatiana]

Do you want to give your opinion about it?

[Lauren Garoney]

Oh, it's really hard. I found myself really enjoying the first half of the season, which was very classic you, very campy. They introduced these identical twin characters that were very funny.

[Tatiana]

Identical twins. So hot right now.

[Lauren Garoney]

But then the back half of the season, I was like, how is this show still going? When will this end? Like, how much longer are they gonna drag all of this out?

[Tatiana]

It is the peril of having a 10 episode season. Some things should just be six episodes.

[Lauren Garoney]

I also found the final episode to be very unsatisfying. And it's hard because Joe, of course, is a horrible person. But from our perspective, pretty much everyone he's ever killed, for the most part, has been justified.

[Tatiana]

Right?

[Lauren Garoney]

The show is written in such a way that we sympathize with his character and we want him to succeed and we want him to evade arrest, et cetera. You can't then expect the viewer to switch perspectives in the last episode and suddenly sympathize with his girlfriend and have this reckoning where it's like, oh, yes, Joe is a symbol of toxic masculinity, et cetera.

[Tatiana]

I feel like that might have been Penn Badgley's intervention because if you've ever seen an interview with him, he is horrified at how much much. Well, I'll just say women sympathize with Joe. He's always been on Front street to be like, this is a bad man and he kills people.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, he's not written like that. Also, we get some really, really distressing capital A acting from Penn Badgley in the last couple of episodes. That is very hard to watch.

[Tatiana]

So should I watch this season?

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, you've come this far. Like I said, I think the first half is quite enjoyable and then it starts to test your patience. But, you know, I enjoyed watching every single season of you, even the bad ones. There's something so comforting about the format of it, but I really want one of these Dexter Yu type shows about a woman. We haven't gotten that yet.

[Tatiana]

Okay.

[Lauren Garoney]

A sympathetic female serial killer.

[Tatiana]

I don't think the men of Hollywood believe that that woman exists.

[Lauren Garoney]

Well, they kind of touched upon it in Promising Young Woman a little bit. Although I would want the tone to be a bit more funny and light, like Dexter or yu. And YU actually does have a very lifetime tone to it.

[Tatiana]

Well, you know that the first season of YU was actually on Lifetime, right?

[Lauren Garoney]

Okay, I forgot about that.

[Tatiana]

Yeah. I mean, if there was something like Promising Young Woman where she actually was, you know, cutting off men's fingers and balls, I'd be into that.

[Lauren Garoney]

Yeah. Something that also appeals to the same audience that liked Dead to Me.

[Tatiana]

Right.

[Lauren Garoney]

I'm not developing this, but someone make that show because I think people would watch it.

[Tatiana]

All right, guys, we've said it all. We'll be back next week with a Sex and the City rewatch episode.

[Lauren Garoney]

If you live in la, please RSVP to our Liz Goldwyn event.

[Tatiana]

Don't you want to see if my water is going to break on one of Liz Goldwyn's archival Balenciaga dresses? I know Chelsea wants to know, will.

[Lauren Garoney]

That make it more or less valuable? We'll just have to see.

[Tatiana]

Either way, it's going home with me, I guess. All right, guys, see you next week. Bye. Bye.

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