222: On Sex and the City: Bay of Married Pigs

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Episode: 222: On Sex and the City: Bay of Married Pigs
Release Date: May 23, 2025
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garroni
Description: In this episode, Chelsea and Lauren dive deep into the third episode of the first season of Sex and the City, titled "Bay of Married Pigs." They explore the intricate dynamics between single and married characters, the show's early social commentary, and the fashion elements that make this episode stand out.

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1. Introduction

The episode kicks off with Lauren announcing a shift in the podcast's programming, hinting at future content splits between recaps of And Just Like That and broader pop culture and fashion discussions. This change is partly influenced by Lauren's impending maternity leave and Chelsea's workload adjustments.

2. Episode Overview: "Bay of Married Pigs"

Chelsea and Lauren rewatch and analyze the Sex and the City episode "Bay of Married Pigs," highlighting its advanced themes for its 1998 airing. They commend the episode for its forward-thinking portrayal of the tension between single and married individuals.

Key Plot Points:

• Carrie's Encounter with Peter and Patience:
  Carrie meets her married friends, Peter and Patience, who inadvertently expose Peter's genitals as he walks towards the bathroom. This moment sets the tone for the episode's exploration of boundaries and comfort levels between singles and couples.

  "He is Winnie the Pooh ing it, as I've taken to calling it. He's nude from the bottom because I guess he's on the way to the bathroom."
  — Lauren Fairless [10:31]

• Miranda's Blind Date with Sid:
  Miranda, striving to appear as a lesbian to secure a spot at a senior partner's housewarming party, ends up awkwardly kissing Sid, only to confirm she is straight. This subplot delves into the complexities of identity and societal expectations.

• Carrie's Relationship with Shawn:
  Carrie dates Shawn, who is overly focused on marriage and future planning, leading to their eventual breakup. This relationship contrasts with her interactions with other characters, highlighting differing perspectives on commitment.

• Charlotte and Samantha at a Housewarming Party:
  The hosts discuss Charlotte and Samantha navigating a party filled with couples, emphasizing Samantha's over-the-top behavior and its impact on the group dynamics.

3. Social and Cultural Insights

Chelsea and Lauren commend the episode for its nuanced portrayal of single versus married life, noting its relevance both in the late '90s and today.

• Single vs. Married Dynamics:
  The hosts explore the societal pressure singles face and how married individuals may subconsciously feel threatened by the ongoing availability of their single friends.

  "Single people are treated as second-class citizens compared to married people."
  — Lauren Garrone [30:27]

• Representation of LGBTQ+ Relationships:
  They praise the show's early inclusion of gay commitment ceremonies and the candid discussion around gay relationships, which was ahead of its time.

  "This is very true...it's still relevant today."
  — Lauren Garrone [19:58]

• Groundbreaking Themes:
  The episode's commentary on gender politics and the evolving landscape of relationships is highlighted as a pivotal moment in television storytelling.

4. Fashion Commentary

Fashion remains a central theme in the discussion, with the hosts analyzing character outfits and their symbolic meanings.

• Carrie's Style Choices:
  Carrie’s outfits, such as her bucket hat and DKNY dress, are examined for their blend of practicality and fashion-forward aesthetics, reflecting her personality and the show's fashion influence.

  "She's wearing a bucket hat. I think it's cute."
  — Lauren Garrone [33:23]

• Miranda's Professional Attire:
  Miranda's pinstripe suit and red tie are noted as emblematic of her professional aspirations and subtle nods to her complex identity struggles.

• Samantha's Bold Fashion Statements:
  Samantha's lingerie-inspired look with a cape is praised for its boldness and alignment with her uninhibited character.

  "Her look towards the end of the episode...truly so hard to pick. Maybe I'm just gonna go with Stanford because he might actually be the coolest of all of them."
  — Lauren Garrone [51:26]

5. Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Lauren on Peter's Behavior:
  "Fair enough. He's very nonchalant about it, although I think he's just an exhibitionist."
  — Lauren Garrone [11:22]

• Lauren on Single Girl Dynamics:
  "Face it, ladies, if you're still single. You are not to be trusted."
  — Co-host [14:56]

• Discussion on Miranda's Identity:
  "She's like the flesh and blood equivalent of a DKNY dress dress. You know, it's not your style, but it's right there so you try it on anyway."
  — Lauren Garrone [33:27]

• Lauren's Hot Take on Relationships:
  "While I do think at times there is tension between married and single people, I don't think it's rooted in married people thinking single people are alien or weird for not being married. I think it's more that married people, some are intimidated at the fact that single people still have options."
  — Lauren Garrone [54:52]

6. Conclusions

Chelsea and Lauren conclude that "Bay of Married Pigs" is one of the strongest episodes of the first season, lauding its early exploration of themes that remain pertinent. They rate the episode highly for its relevance, humor, character development, and fashion moments.

Episode Ratings:

• Manolos Count:
  Chelsea rates them 8 and Lauren gives it a 10 for its relevance and execution.

• MVP of the Episode:

  • Chelsea: Miranda
  • Lauren: Carrie

• Vote Off the Island:

  • Both agree on eliminating Peter due to his inappropriate behavior.

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Final Thoughts

"Bay of Married Pigs" serves as a foundational episode that sets the stage for Sex and the City's deep dive into the complexities of modern relationships, societal expectations, and personal identity. Chelsea and Lauren effectively dissect these elements, providing listeners with insightful commentary that bridges the gap between late '90s television and contemporary cultural discourse.

Notable Quotes and Timestamps:

• "Fear of the unknown. Married people don't hate singles. They just want us figured out."
  — Carrie Bradshaw through Lauren Garrone's narration [30:07]

• "Pepper mill dick" origin explained by Lauren Fairless [53:07]:
  "There was a man named Porfirio Rubirosa who was a playboy. He married many different women...they took to calling their giant pepper mills Ruby Rosas."

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Speaker Attribution Key:

• Lauren Garrone: Co-host and analyst.
• Chelsea Fairless: Co-host and fashion commentator.
• Unknown Host/Guest: Other voices and guest commentators in the podcast.

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And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. We are doing our monthly rewatch episode. Frankly, our last rewatch episode for a while because and just like that is about to begin. And we put our thinking caps on what would be a good episode to do prior to the third season of In Just like that. We don't know what's going to happen, but we're pretty sure that Miranda is getting a lesbian storyline. So we felt like it was time to revisit the episode where Miranda goes on a date with Sid and is mad that everyone thinks she's a lesbian.

Otherwise known as Bay of Married Pigs.

But before we get into that, I wanted to discuss a slight programming change that will be happening over the next few months. And no, this has nothing to do with my maternity leave. Unlike previous seasons, we have learned that and Just like that will be airing Thursday evening instead of Thursday. Right at midnight.

Well, it was Thursday at midnight for people on the west coast and three in the morning on the East Coast. So now the HBO Max overlords have generously decided to release it at 9pm on the East coast and 6pm on the West Coast. Thank God.

Better for you as a viewer. Slightly worse for us because now we need to push our recording for from Thursday to Friday, which means you guys will be getting the episode slightly later. Instead of Fridays, you'll be getting it Saturday. I know that's different days for International Fuckettes, but I can't do the time change for everybody. Everyone will be getting these episodes over the summer at some point over the.

Weekend, just a day later than you usually get them.

Also, this is not coming just from Chelsea. I also sanctioned this change for everyone's sanity. We're going to be spoiling splitting these episodes between and then Just like that recap and then a pop culture slash fashion episode. So really, it's the best of both worlds.

Yeah, there's 12 episodes of End Just like that this season and we were not willing to exclusively talk about that for that long. I don't think it would make the show better. So we've come to this conclusion. However, we will still be doing and just after that, our post show, which is available on Patreon and on Apple podcast subscriptions.

Yes, I'm sure at some point while listening to these recap episodes, you're like.

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What else?

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I am in the phase of pregnancy where I could go into labor tomorrow, next week, or a month from now.

We'll see what happens.

All right, let's get into this episode. Sex and the City, Bay of Married Pigs, the third episode of season one.

Can you believe that this show was this good? By the third episode of season one?

Obviously this is something that I'm sure was ripped from Candace's column, but, yes, this episode is so ahead of its time, and it really is such a stark juxtaposition to where the show ends up in the later seasons.

It's amazing. It really is. So it aired in 1998. Originally, it was written by the dream team of Darren Starr, Daddy mpk, Candace Bushnell. Directed by the brilliant Nicole Holof center.

The writer of one of our favorite films, can youn Ever Forgive Me? Amongst many other brilliant movies.

Yeah, she's a real auteur. She wrote and directed lovely and amazing Friends with Money. Also, you Hurt My Feelings. The newest one, the Julia Louis Dreyfus one. Did you ever see that?

I did. It's so funny.

Yeah, I saw it, too. Her movies are great, Consistently great. They always have a very similar tone, which I find to be comforting.

Yeah. And I would recommend, I believe this is her first film, Walking and Talking, which has a very. I'm sure this is why she got the Sex and the City directing job. But it's Katherine Keener, Anne Heche, a very young Liev Schreiber, Todd Field. And if you love movies like Party Girl and Obvious, this early era of Sex and the City, it really falls in line with all of that.

Yeah, I've never seen that one. She's cool. And she directed four episodes of Sex and the City in total. She also directed Three's a Crowd. No ifs, ands, or Buts. And our personal favorite are We Sluts?

Yeah, by season four, but certainly by season five, they were like, no more of these women directors directing Sex in the City. Let's hire guys that will exclusively go on to direct Game of Thrones.

Yes. While season one isn't perfect, Sex and the City was never cooler as it was in season one.

Absolutely. And the episode begins with Carrie asking a question that I'M not exactly sure is true. Which is. Is one of the best things about living in Manhattan, leaving it.

Of course, the happiest New Yorkers are the people that can afford to have second houses.

This is very true. See, I didn't live in New York long enough to acquire Hampton's friends.

Yeah.

But I feel like for our generation, it was more about. I mean, it's happening now, but like friends who have places upstate New York or in P Town.

Well, just going on any sort of trip, like when you can never leave New York, it does make you crazy. Like, I remember spending a full year there once without leaving. And it's just no shade to the city. Greatest city on earth. But if you don't leave it, you do sort of start to feel the grind of the city a little bit more.

So Carrie has gone off to see her married couple friends. The first season of Sex and the City. I don't know if you feel this way. I feel like it more mirrors Seinfeld a little bit.

These straight couples that are on the show seem very Seinfeld coded.

Yes. And this is Peter and Patience, who it seems the only reason that Carrie is putting up with them and their bullshit is because they have a house right on the be.

They looked like they just fell out of a J. Crew catalog, apparently. And yeah, Patience and Peter, truly the most insufferable name for a couple. The writers really nailed that.

And I guess especially at this time, when you're a house guest, it's not about bringing over a nice bottle of chardonnay or flowers. It is about making yourself available to some sort of humiliation routine where you tell your married friends about your single girl sexual escapades.

I love hearing about what my slutty friends are up to, but I felt that way when I was single. Also. I don't think that's just exclusive to married people.

Yes. We'll get into this as the episode goes on because I do think that this is something that has changed as the decades have gone on. But I do think that Sex and the City did a great job and was the first of its kind of portraying this routine that single people have to do to their coupled up or married friends to make them feel more comfortable about them being single. Like, making the married people feel okay of like, it's fine. I know I'm a single person, but don't worry about it. Like, I think about Miranda's I'm dating a bunch of unremarkable men kind of standup routine that she does in season Four.

So there's a really uncomfortable scene where Peter of Patience and Peter runs into Carrie in the hallway and his dick is just fully out. He's wearing a shirt but no pants.

He's Winnie the Pooh ing it, as I've taken to calling it. He's nude from the bottom because I guess he's on the way to the bathroom. There's no ensuite bathrooms in this Hamptons house. It is on the beach, but no ensuite bathrooms. What do we think Peter was trying to do? Because he doesn't seem ashamed. This actor isn't portraying it like he's half asleep, so he didn't expect Carrie to be there. He is acting kind of like. Sorry to keep invoking other Sex and the City episodes, but Jim Gaffigan as Mar Miranda's boyfriend who takes a shit with the door open, like, as if this is the most normal thing to do.

Yeah, he's very nonchalant about it, although I think he's just an exhibitionist.

Do you think he was trying to make a pass at Carrie?

Well, I think exhibitionism is inherently sexual, even if he's not playing it that way.

Fair enough.

So Carrie quite bravely immediately speaks to his wife about this. Hey, I just saw your husband's dick randomly. Or something to that effect.

I was looking at the Sex and the City subreddit and of course looking at this with post 2020 or post 2017 eyes, I saw people making the point of like, Peter sexually assaulted Carrie by non consensually showing her his dick.

I think that counts because there's no attempt to cover up. There's no shame. There's no indication that this was accidental. Yeah, either that or he's just mentally unwell.

He might have a traumatic brain injury because he does come in the and Patience is like, did you show Carrie your dick, Peter? And he's like, yeah, it was on the way to the bathroom.

I think one of the first things you learn as a child is like, don't show your genitals to random people. Right. Like, that's the most basic thing that is, like, frowned on by society.

Well, I guess Peter never got that lesson.

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So we don't see it, but we hear in voiceover that Carrie is all but shoved onto, I assume, the Hamptons Jitney straight back to Manhattan.

Yeah, and she's telling the girls about this harrowing incident. Although Carrie doesn't seem very disturbed by it.

She doesn't seem disturbed by it. And she also doesn't understand why Patience is getting so upset. To which Patience evidently says to Carrie, you wouldn't understand because you're single.

Oh, she's a real. There are a lot of bitches in this episode. I will say.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with Miranda's perspective of kind of making fun of this archetype of, like, what do you think single women are just going to your beach houses looking for your husband's dicks?

I also love the bit with the pepper grinder in this scene.

I know looks can be deceiving, but I'm sorry Peter wasn't giving off pepper grinder dick energy.

No, not at all.

But I think that this gets to the heart of. And we're only three episodes into Sex and the City, but they're building the.

Thesis of the show, which is basically that single women in their 30s are victims of a society that idolizes marriage.

And married women specifically see single women as a threat.

Let's just drop a little bit of the dialogue in.

Face it, ladies, if you're still single.

You are not to be trusted.

Come on.

[Unknown Guest]

Not all married women feel that way.

Charlotte treated marriage like a sorority she was desperately hoping to pledge.

You're right. Not all the ones who don't fear you, pity you. That's not true. Are you telling me you haven't gotten those poor single you looks?

[Lauren Garrone]

I hate those.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay, Yes, I have. I hate it when you're the only single person at a dinner party and they all look at you like you're.

[Lauren Garrone]

A loser leper or.

[Unknown Guest]

Exactly. I'm telling you, married people are the enemy.

Was Miranda right? Were we enemies? Is there a secret cold war between marrieds and singles?

[Lauren Garrone]

The shortest. I couldn't help but wonder. Ever.

It's interesting. I feel like the I couldn't help but wonder is sort of wrapped into this episode at several different points. But, yes, this is the first we see of Carrie writing on her computer.

And she asks, was Miranda right? Were we enemies?

Is there a secret cold war between marrieds and singles? Which, of course, this motif ties back to the title of the episode, a play on the Bay of Pigs, which.

If you've never taken an American history class, is this time that the United States tried to attack Cuba and overthrow Fidel Castro, but failed.

Quite famously, Carrie oddly political in this episode. And then we immediately get the man on the street stuff, which somehow, when I see it in early season two, I find it jarring. I thought this was great.

This was wonderful use of the man on the street stuff. But it starts with some total cunt who's basically like, I love my single friends, but I don't see them as much as I used to because they remind me of how desperate I once was. Is horrible. Hate her.

I will say one person talks about how annoying people in couples or married couples are because they're constantly weeing. And I will say I've been guilty of doing the we. We enjoyed that movie. We went to dinner there. However, I would equally we, if I was referring to you and I doing something together.

True, as a married person, I try not to We. I actively try not to we.

I've noticed this. You're very good at this.

Thank you. I'm sure I don't always succeed, but some couples are so obnoxious with that. It's like, we get it. You're married.

The cunty woman from the beginning also gets another line at the end where she says, some people, like me, choose to grow up, face reality and get married. Others choose to what? Live an empty, haunted life of stunted adolescence. This isn't what being single is.

Also, I have never been so grateful to have had the opportunity to have lived a haunted life of stunted adolescence. I love it personally.

Well, also, this woman is presumably in her 30s, talking about other 30 year olds. It's not like she's talking about current day Bill Maher, who I would say is living this lifestyle.

But New York is just a city that stunts your adolescence. Just because you live there, because you don't know how to do normal things like your laundry or like cooking.

Yeah. I mean, you can conceivably live your life out of a bodega.

Yeah.

That you purchase your day's needs and goods every single day.

I know there are New York single straight men that exclusively live off of bodega sandwiches who can say no to.

Egg and cheese sausage on a roll. So now we get a Carrie and Stanford walk and talk. They both look adorable.

So good. This might be the coolest that Stani has ever looked. It's kind of preppy, but it's also kind of like old school beatnik. Also, he's not wearing color. He's wearing a navy suit or something of that nature and a hat that kind of looks like a cross between a bucket hat and a pork pie hat. But in a cool way.

I think this speaks to how much of the actor's own wardrobe ended up in these early episodes of Sex and the City. Like, this feels like it probably came from Willie Garson's closet more than Patricia.

Field pulling, for sure. So Stanford is lamenting that every gay guy he knows is running off to Hawaii, putting on a caftan, reciting vows and feeling superior to me. And I just want to point out that this very casual social commentary about gay people assimilating into the straight world by getting married is very groundbreaking for 1998. When you think about it like the British version of Queer as Folk didn't even come out until the next year. And this is obviously something that's written by two gay guys based on their own experiences, based on their own feelings about how the gay world was kind of changing. And it's just pretty incredible that this was on a very mass television show.

This was the beginning of the commitment ceremony era.

Yeah. Just to clarify for our younger listeners, gay marriage was very much not legal in Hawaii in 1998.

Well, I wanted to get your thoughts on the vaguely passive aggressive comments about caftans. Caftans catching strays.

I don't think it was so much a drag of caftans as destination weddings, which gay commitment ceremonies just often were. Sometimes because you'd go to Canada or someplace where it was legal, but other times just to have a little party with your friends because frankly, I could.

See you getting married. In a caftan with an orchid lay in Hawaii.

I would love that. Have you ever seen the wedding photo of like Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love? That's the best thing ever.

Okay, so Carrie runs into her friend Joe, who she hasn't seen since, as he puts it, he was straight. He's there with his life partner and Chell. They have a great idea and in my head I'm like, oh, they're gonna set her up on a blind date and it's gonna be awkward. No. They ask Carrie if she will donate her eggs so that they can have a baby.

But the gag is, is that they already have a surrogate lined up. So it's like you're gonna make a surrogate do ivf. So it's Carrie's egg.

I think that's how it works. Either way, it's a lot.

This is crazy. And again, incredibly pointed social commentary about affluent gay men who use surrogates.

Which frankly feels way ahead of its time.

Oh, for sure. It's not just that it's still relevant today. It's even more relevant today than it was then.

Well, yeah. I think this is what made the show so groundbreaking is they are not only commenting on what is happening in the Zeitgeist, this is sort of even before it becomes mainstream to most of the world for sure.

There's also something about this stop and chat that does feel very authentic to being a New Yorker in the way that you just run into people the street. And I feel like the earlier seasons had more of that quality. I guess it was also because of the people that Cari was interviewing and stuff. But I feel like this wouldn't happen on in just like that in this way. Unless it's Bitsy von Muffling.

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I love that they hate them for different reasons, Right? But it's like an equal amount of hate from both of them.

That's right. Stanford at the beginning of this scene is. Is discussing his hatred of these commitment ceremonies. But then we learn at the beginning of Sex and the City two that he's been saving for his wedding his entire life.

So, yeah, they really contradicted this episode with that plot line, for sure.

Oh. I mean, this is a ground zero for a couple of plot points. And then just like that, that they completely retcon. Which I think brings us to the next scene, which is Miranda at the softball game.

She is at her company softball game wearing a Harvard sweatshirt. What do we have to do to get Cynthia Nixon back in this sweatshirt on? And just like that, I don't know.

We might have to send a Harvard sweatshirt to Sev.

It's gotta be the easiest fashion throwback that they could do from a costuming standpoint. Although I guess Miranda is technically a Columbia girl now. But no one wants to be associated with that at the moment.

Certainly not Cynthia Nixon. No, they could also bring Sid back.

Seriously?

Okay, so Miranda at her company law firm's softball game, does not want to be single yet again at a company function. So she allows a co worker to set her up on a blind date at the softball game. And, well, the person she set up with is not what she was expecting.

[Unknown Guest]

Miranda, this is Sid. Sid, Miranda. Look at you two. It's like a perfect match. Well, I'm gonna excuse myself.

[Lauren Garrone]

Nice to meet you.

[Unknown Guest]

You, too. I tell you what, I'm gonna get a soda. You want a soda? Yeah, I'm gonna get us a soda. Okay. Jeff.

Pretty great, huh? Can I pick him or what?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

I'm not getting.

Seriously, man. I've been with a firm eight months. I haven't once seen you with a guy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Circumstantial Jeff.

[Unknown Guest]

I'm single. Christ, when did being single translate into being gay?

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, justice for Jeff. When he says, can I pick him? I'm always like, yes, optically. This is one of the most realistic lesbian couples I've ever seen on television. And in film, for that matter.

Also, though, yeah, Miranda, it's not just that you're single.

Yeah. It's very much about the look that you have. And this is just the most classic, like, Park Slope, Cobble Hill lesbian couple who have nearly identical gender presentation. Although one of them is slightly butcher usually. And I think it might be Miranda.

I would agree with you. Yes.

I'm just sad that Jeff got shit on for what is essentially a public service.

I often wonder if Jeff, in the end, just like that timeline, is catching up with Miranda on Facebook. And he's like, wait a minute.

He's like, I knew it.

I was right.

Jeff's gaydar is on point.

But in true Sex and the City gender politics, Miranda will allow herself to be thought of in a lesbian relationship because she gets invited to a senior partner's house.

And she's like, sure, I'll make this poor woman pretend to be my girlfriend.

Yeah, that's the thing. That's the connective tissue. The seed we don't get is Miranda convincing Sid to go to this dinner party. But whatever. So then we have Miranda and Carry at Carrie's apartment. To your point about the walk and talks, which feel very true to living in New York. I feel like all of them hanging out at each other's apartments. A very true New York experience. Something that gets lost as the show becomes more popular and the budgets get bigger and they can actually shoot outside and in hip restaurants.

Right. And Miranda's basically like, I'm going to make partner no matter what it takes.

Even if I have to be a lesbian partner.

Babes, you've already done half of the work.

Well, this speaks to a general gay panic. Or, like, making fun of gay panic that I feel like was in media a lot at this time. Like, I think about the movie In N Out. I think about Three to Tango, also pretending to be a lesbian to make Partner in a law firm feels like the plot of a Whoopi Goldberg film.

Kind of giving the associate, okay, I'm.

Not that far off. I was like, this seems very familiar.

Well, in that film, for those of you who haven't seen it, Whoopi Goldberg must pretend to be a white man. And ultimately she's forced to pretend to be him in public wearing intense prosthetics. It's very much like Mrs. Doubtfire.

Oh, that's how that movie got greenlit, 100%. Miranda also says something in this scene that carries throughout the episode, which is the idea that this, her married senior partner felt relieved to have finally figured Miranda out. Meaning like, okay, it's not that you are a weird heterosexual single woman mutant, you're just a lesbian, but you're also in a relationship. Therefore I can comprehend you. Now.

I think if anyone is even remotely gender non conforming, as Miranda very much is, people want an explanation for it.

Well, yeah, and I feel like we've forgotten to plug in a very important contextual detail at this time, which is Ellen DeGeneres and Anne Heche. The idea of like Anne Heche kind of at this time is the most prominent bisexual woman. But yeah, she was with Ellen at this time, but then also making out with Harrison Ford in big blockbuster films. And really as a culture, we couldn't comprehend this.

No. May she rest in peace.

So there's no central. I couldn't help but wonder. But it is peppered throughout because we do get Carrie back at her laptop after this where she says, maybe the Cold War isn't about hate. Maybe it's about fear. Fear of the unknown. Married people don't hate singles. They just want us figured out.

I think that's true.

Well, to your point, what also made Sex and the City so groundbreaking? And the thesis of the show, especially in the earlier seasons, is that single people are treated as second class citizens compared to married people.

Yeah, I mean, they literally are second class citizens from like a taxing standpoint.

So Carrie must do more anthropological work. So she sits down with her favorite married friends, a couple we will never.

See again, and they basically, they spring this random guy on her named Shawn who just happens to be walking by.

Well, yes. Does he happen to be walking by or did this couple engineer a, as they call it, a fix up?

Oh, of course, they definitely did.

Which, by the way, is something that I thought would happen more and more. I thought more of my coupled up friends would be putting me on dates, but no, that seems to be confined to sex. In the city.

But I also think that sometimes couples just at a certain point stop meeting and spending time with single people. So that's also part of it. The only people they can set you up with is someone that is like recently divorced.

This is true.

So she goes on a few dates with Shawn.

I just want to call out. They go to the movies a couple of times and what a time to be alive when City of Angels and US Marshals is in theater at the same time. Two medium budget genre films that studios literally do not make anymore.

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She also helped him pick out a top of the line cheese grater at Williams Sonoma. And Carrie wears a very cute outfit, a Hanson tee under a red trench coat with like. Is she wearing a bucket hat? Is that what it is?

It seems to be. She's wearing a bucket hat.

I think it's cute.

The bucket hat, I believe could come from Sarah Jessica Parker's own wardrobe. The Hanson shirt. Who knows where that came from? She refers to Shawn, who while she has gone on several dates with, she can see that this is not really going anywhere. She puts it he was like the flesh and blood equivalent of a DKNY dress dress. You know, it's not your style, but it's right there so you try it on anyway.

I find it odd that they are dragging DKNY of all brands just considering that is who designed the naked dress which appears on every single episode of Sex and the City in the title sequence.

Yes, it is the dress that Carrie is wearing in her bus.

Advertisement Also, DKNY is a brand that it appeals to a wide swath of people.

I think it is a brilliant piece of dialogue because it perhaps is a meta commentary about the beginning of everyone having a diffusion line.

True.

Where is it as special as Donna Karen? No, but it's there. It's affordable. You're in the Bloomingdales. Might as well try it on.

Could do a lot worse than dkny.

I would kill for dkny. I would kill to walk into a Macy's right now and try on a DKNY dress.

You know what? I bet there's so much of it on the RealReal I should actually add that to my saved searches because I buy so much Donna Care in there already for nothing pennies.

Yeah, we should make the list of like here are the brands that you can get for almost Nothing on the RealReal because they have not been discovered yet for sure. I find this to be true of Armani as well.

Oh yeah, you can get like the most gorgeous this Armani men's suit from the 80s for like $150.

Anyway, so now the ladies have split up, we have Miranda and Sid, who are finally going to this senior partner's house for a dinner party, which is.

Described as a right wing Republican dinner party. Miranda really butched up for the occasion. Even for her pinstripe suit and a red tie, she looks so good. It's crazy.

And although we don't see what happens inside, obviously they made quite the splash because the senior partner is like, you did well, kiddo, or whatever he says to Miranda. And she spills the beans that she's not actually gay. Which, like, why?

Yeah, she could just say like, oh, Sid and I broke up or whatever, but she's like, sid and I aren't really a couple. In fact, we're not even really lesbians. Actually, Sid is. It's like. Like what? Can't you just lie and say you're bisexual or something?

That might have confused him even more. This is 1998. I'm sure he's like, lesbians. I get. Has the infamous, what was it, Newsweek bisexual issue even come out yet?

I don't know. It seems like that was around the.

Same time Miranda confesses, I did all of this because I just wanted to bend your ear. To which the senior partner is completely fine with this. And he was like, shrewd move, counselor. Although my wife will be disappointed as she was looking to add lesbian couple to our Circle.

Genius again. Brilliant commentary on the social capital that can be attached to being gay, as well as the desires of a certain kind of white, straight, conservative person who wants to have friends that belong to some sort of minority group so they can align themselves with that social capital and also look just less cold hearted and shitty.

Yeah, I was gonna say they can keep doing their evil shit and when they get called on, they're like, but we have lesbian friends. Yeah, we don't want them to have rights, obviously, but we will invite them to dinner. So we're really. We're burying the lead. Right. Miranda and Sid get back into the elevator and, you know, Miranda just wants to give it a try. Maybe she is gay. And so she kisses Sid and they're both like, nope. Miranda, I believe, says, definitely straight. And Sid goes, goes, yeah, you are. Which I wanted to ask you, as the resident lesbian of this podcast. If you kiss a straight woman, can you tell that they're straight?

Interesting question.

Like, does your gaydar work through your lips?

I don't know if I could answer that. But whatever that kiss was, was like the kiss that a toddler would give to another toddler.

To be fair, we have had a more passionate kiss during my bachelorette party.

Yeah, for sure.

Before we get into the rest of the episode with Carrie, what do we make of this? Three episodes into the first season, after the show goes off air, Cynthia Nixon comes out, and then we've incorporated this storyline. I know that Miranda asks in Season 2 event just like that, if she even is a lesbian, but it seems from the episode descriptions I've read of season three that we are going in a lesbian direction with Miranda. So what do we think? Because this is a complete retcon.

Look, I get it. They made this choice very early on in Sex and this season City. They clearly at the time, had no desire to make this a queer character.

Despite costuming, Cynthia Nixon's hair, her presentation, they were like, not a lesbian.

See, I almost feel as if this was written just for an actress and not someone that actually fully passes as a lesbian.

I'm sure people are screaming at their phones or speakers at this moment. I think it's worth mentioning that Sandra Bernhardt was originally offered Miranda.

Yeah. So they were going with. Well, she's bisexual also, but perhaps more famously with women.

Right, A queer woman.

Yeah. And I'm sure that Sandra would have been incredible in the role of Miranda, but I do think that she would have been miscast. She is the most Samantha person or her stage Persona at that time. Was very Samantha. Like when she was on Letterman. That was Samantha Jones 101. And I think she would have killed in the Samantha role for sure.

It just. It would have been a nice Easter egg. In season two, when Miranda's talking about her ambivalence about her sexuality, she says something to the effect of, you know, it's not like I was looking at a Brady's teacher, Mrs. Han, going, oh, she's hot. It would have been nice to get a. You know, when I kissed Sid all those years ago.

Maybe it's not too late.

That's what I'm saying. Okay. Meanwhile, that. That's what's going on on the east side. On the west side, Carrie is going to the housewarming party of her not boyfriend boyfriend, who has bought a classic six on the Upper east side.

Thank you, Sex and the City, for introducing me to the concept of a classic six. If you actually pay close attention to the various references on Sex and the City, you actually can become a somewhat cultured person.

I mean, it worked for us.

That was the gift of the show. Go.

So Carrie has brought along Charlotte and Samantha, basically on the promise that my not boyfriend boyfriend is having a housewarming party. So of course there will be other eligible bachelors there, only for it to be exclusively couples. Now, this I relate to. I have been the only single person at a party filled with married couples. And yeah, you do feel like a leper or a loser, but I've never felt like a. As Samantha says earlier in the episode.

It'S more that this party just seems shitty.

Yeah, it doesn't look like a party I would want to be at, but I will give it the benefit of the doubt of this is early Sex and the City. I don't know if this party seems shitty because of their lack of budget or it's just a shitty party.

Right. So Samantha immediately starts drinking tequila because the vibe is so bad because she's just talking to some random married guy about the stock market and his wife comes up and acts shitty to her.

Fair enough. She's also. Which is an off Samantha storyline. She's just pointing out at every man that she once had sex with. It's hard to determine if she slept with them when they were married or when they were single and now they're married.

I think they were probably married would be my guess.

We also get this bit in a Carrie voiceover because she's whisked away by Shawn where she says, as I move through the married couples, I noticed something was different. No Fear, no pity. No. Pointing. Were Shawn's friends Cold War conscientious objectors, or was it just that I was, quote, figured out? And the figuring out is, I guess if you are in a relationship, you are no longer a single mutant.

Right. Because if she's dating him, she's. He's not likely to try and flirt with one of the other guys there.

Yeah, they get into this in the brunch scene, Right? Which is they believe the fear of married women is that you're gonna go after our husbands as a single woman.

Of course.

So around this point, Shawn shows Cari a mobile that he got in Aspen three years ago that would be perfect for a future nursery for his children. And I feel like I should just say that there is such a thing as being too emotionally available.

Yeah, that's a lot to show someone that you're casually dating that, in theory, would be the mother of that child.

So something happens that I think is a first in Sex and the City history, which is Samantha is too drunk and needs to be walked out of this party by Charlotte.

But not before blowing up Carrie's relationship with. What are their horrible names again? Patience and something. Not that these names are horrible individually, but together, Patience.

Patience and Peter.

Right. Because Samantha's drunk and she just basically screams like pepper mill dick at this man in front of his wife, which.

I'm sorry, but Patience and Peter, unsurprisingly, so lack a sense of humor. If I was at a housewarming party where people are drinking and someone says that my husband has a pepper grinder dick or pepper mill dick. That's a compliment. Just laugh it off.

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So Charlotte takes Samantha home. Which happens kind of one other time when Samantha sleeps with Charlotte's brother. Samantha's done a lot of damage in Charlotte's apartment in the first few seasons of Sex and the City. So. So Samantha sees and drunkenly flirts with Charlotte's young, very handsome Irish question mark doorman.

It read to me as Irish, but we're probably wrong and I'm sure we'll get comments about it. We'll see.

And of course, Samantha comes back out in a lingerie look with a cape that I had thought was from a different episode.

Well, it's more just crazy that she's just casually wearing like a full garter set and stockings underneath her clothes. Like goals. That's what I thought I would do when I was like a tween or something. Like when I'm an adult, I'll look like some Helmut Newton ass bitch every single day of my life.

Same, same. And I hate to be this person, but this is the rewatch episodes. That black bra would not work with her every leger esque halter neck dress that she was wearing.

We just got to suspend our disbelief with that one.

And I'm happy to, if anyone is going to pull, as you put it, a Helmut Newton look to seduce a door. Fine. To expand my imagination. So she fucks his doorman. Although we don't get to see it. What we do see is Charlotte waking up in the middle of the night and finding this doorman sneaking out of her apartment.

It's really funny. And he says, I've been so lonely since I left home. I just wanted the feel of a woman's touch on me. Very heartwarming. You can't even be mad at him.

But knowing Charlotte as we do, do you think she narked to her HOA board? No. Okay.

I don't think Charlotte's that big of a. Although this of course is highly inappropriate and I'm sure the real world equivalent of this situation would be extremely up. But the sex of the city version is just kind of delightful.

I do love that there's an extra beat after this where the doorman during the day says to Charlotte, like, I didn't hear from your friend Samantha. Like, did I do something wrong? And Charlotte's just. Just like, I don't know, walks back into the building. So back to Carrie and Sean. This episode is filled With a lot of forgettable white guy names. But, yes, she breaks up with Shawn because he is very much the marrying kind. And there is this slightly dark moment where he doesn't say this exactly, but it's basically like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Is all I hear is that you want to get married. And that's all I want. And when I say that to women, they don't want me. And it's like, I don't. Maybe because you're showing them objects from a future baby nursery on the fourth date.

That could have something to do with it.

But there is a woman who would be into this. Chelsea.

Charlotte.

Yes. So they start dating.

They date, we see them shopping for china. And Charlotte is horrified by the china.

That he wants because he was American classic. And she is, of course, French country.

What? No, she's American classic in whatever this china is. Looks like Versace home.

I couldn't tell which of the plates he was appreciating because one of them looks like directly something out of Trey McDougal's apartment that Bunny picked out for him.

I don't know. I think that Charlotte is American classic and he is like, on some Euro trash.

I mean, you can't trust a straight guy who has too much style and taste.

Unless it's, like, their profession or something.

And then we get this end beat where Carrie meets up with her girlfriends at the movies.

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As I sifted through the rubble of my marriage skirmish, I had a thought. Maybe the fight between marrieds and singles is like the war in Northern Ireland. We're all basically. But somehow we wound up on different sides. Sure, it'd be great to have that one special person to walk home with. But sometimes there's nothing better than meeting your single girlfriends for a night at the movies.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, I'm sorry. It is absolutely wild to try to relate the tension between married and single people with the troubles. Maybe this is why Carrie and the writers who write Carrie don't delve into politics. This is the most political we get of Carrie Bradshaw. Because it's like. Excuse me.

Look, it was a different time. It was all about being shocking and politically incorrect.

Absolutely. Connecting it back to Bill Maher. That's when he had Politically Incorrect. There was a whole show, a nightly talk show called Politically Incorrect.

Yeah, he was very ahead of his time.

And then he got very behind the times.

It's so funny how it just, like, changed names. Like now it's woke that it was politically correct as the preferred catch all phrase.

But, yes, we're. We're definitely in a very politically incorrect time. And I just want to call out before we wrap up this episode that the posters at this movie theater have changed. And it is showcasing the posters for a movie called Quest for Camelot. But more importantly, Godzilla, who had Sarah Jessica Parker's husband in it.

Well, I hope they didn't see that, because it was bad. Or at least that's what I remember thinking when I watched it as a child.

Wild. Oh, no, no, no. It's a very bad movie.

Okay, exit survey time. How many Manolos?

Eight.

I'm giving it 10.

Okay.

I'm giving it 10. For its relevance or how well it distills the thesis of the show, for how funny it is for Miranda in her lesbian era and for some really good fashion moments from many different characters, not just Carrie, which for the early seasons is a little unusual.

I will say this is probably the strongest season one episode, although we have not done them all yet. Okay, let's get into the exit survey. Who is the MVP of the episode?

I'm going with Miranda.

Interesting. Why?

Well, I just like that plot line. To me, it's one of the most iconic plot lines she's ever gotten.

All right, I will go with Carrie just because I think this is the best investigative journalist Carrie that we get, certainly in the early parts of the season.

Okay, who are you voting off the island of Manhattan, Peter or Sean?

And it's not because I can't tell them apart. It's either Peter who showed his dick, or Sean who just reveals too much about himself, is too emotionally available.

It's definitely Peter. Peter is a sex offender, and that would now be considered a jailable offense.

Yeah, I mean, I definitely think. Well, again, you're the expert. I'm sure that there's a SVU episode that has a very similar plot.

Best dressed.

I'm gonna go with Samantha in her helmet Newton garter ensemble towards the end of the episode.

It's truly so hard to pick. Maybe I'm just gonna go with Stanford because he might actually be the coolest of all of them.

Yeah, I thought you might have picked Carrie in that scene. That's why I went with Samantha. But, yeah, it's either.

[Unknown Guest]

Or.

[Lauren Garrone]

Although there's two really iconic Miranda looks, like the Harvard sweatshirt is one most iconic, apart from the overalls and the bucket hat windbreaker combo. One of the more iconic casual outfits.

Well, the straight tie suit. Miranda is also iconic. And I believe we got into this last week, which is the current trend that you are horrified by. Of Straight women wearing straight ties and suits.

I'm not horrified by it. And I'm not saying it can never work. I'm just saying, historically, women that wear ties, it's, you know, like, as a queer woman, that's like a signifier of, like, who should I be dating? So to have it sort of enter the mainstream in this way is weird. Although it's pretty easy to tell who is straight and who is gay. Because most of these girls have long hair and aren't androgynous in any way. Although some of them look major. Like, I drove past one of those St. Laurent billboards on the way here and model looked fast. I just don't think it's for everyone.

So would you say that this is your biggest trigger?

No, it's not my biggest trigger, because Miranda can pull it off.

I have never liked when men's penises are referred to as pepper mills. And I understand the origin of this. Do you know the origin of this?

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Okay, so there was a man named Porfirio Rubirosa who was a playboy. He married many different women, many heiresses. And there was a restaurant in Paris where he was known too frequent. It was also known about him that he had a big dick. So they took to calling their giant pepper mills Ruby Rosas. And that is why those two things are put together.

See, I thought it was just this episode of Sex and the City.

No, you would know of this person because does. He married Barbara Woolworth Hutton. If you remember, a version of her appears in Phantom Thread. Remember the scene?

Right, Right. Okay. Yes.

That is so the woman, you know, marries this much younger guy who's obviously marrying her for her money. And she gets very sad and she cries. And then, you know, they take her out of the dress because she doesn't deserve to wear it. It's based on that marriage. That woman married a guy with a giant pepper mill dick.

Wow. That was the perfect every outfit. Digression, Lauren. Truly.

Thank you.

Well played.

And finally, what is your hottest take?

Sid was the one that got away, 100%. You found her. You found her before you met Steve.

Do we think that there's a resemblance between Sid and Steve?

No, I don't think there's a resemblance. There's more of a resemblance between Sid and Miranda. But that's, as we know, a very prominent form of lesbian culture couple.

Sorry, my mind just went to the Sam Rockwell speech from White Lotus. Where are we gonna find out that Miranda's lesbianism is rooted in her just wanting to herself.

Stop.

I don't know. Her bone structure. Very similar to Dolly Wells. That's all I'm gonna say.

True.

Okay, my hottest take is. While I do think at times there is tension between married and single people, I don't think it's rooted in married people thinking single people are alien or weird for not being married. I think it's more that married people, some are intimidated at the fact that single people still have options. They're dating. And I feel like for some married people, they're. It makes them question if they made the wrong choice.

Oh, of course I agree with you. That is the root.

All right, I guess so then. That's my lukewarm take. If you agree with it as well.

All right, Lauren, this was fun. Can you believe that the next time we are back, we will have an all new episode of and just like that to talk about.

Tune in to see if my water breaks while discussing it. All right, guys, we'll see you next week.

Bye Bye.

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