223: On And Just Like That: Outlook Good

Summary

Episode Summary: Every Outfit Podcast Episode 223: "On And Just Like That: Outlook Good"

In Episode 223 of "Every Outfit," hosts Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garroni delve deep into the premiere episode of "And Just Like That," titled "Outlook Good." This detailed analysis covers key plot points, character developments, fashion highlights, and sets the stage for future episodes, all while interspersing notable quotes from the conversation.

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1. General Impressions and Cast Changes

Chelsea and Lauren begin by reflecting on the overall tone of the episode, noting a positive shift due to a reduced cast size.

• Chelsea Fairless [01:42]: "I can see that trimming down the cast a bit has been a positive thing for the show. It feels lighter."

Lauren adds that some listeners might be divided on discussing specific scenes without prior context.

• Lauren [02:23]: "I know there's a selection of people listening right now who refuse to watch the episode, who are like, I feel like we need to give more context before we go into this Aiden masturbating scene."

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2. Carrie and Aiden's Complex Relationship

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Carrie Bradshaw and Aiden’s tumultuous relationship, especially focusing on a controversial phone sex scene.

• Chelsea Fairless [07:19]: "Aiden is calling her because he's horny. He wants to jerk off."

The hosts express mixed feelings about the scene's intention and execution, comparing it to past moments from "Sex and the City."

• Lauren [11:07]: "I think we're supposed to understand because Carrie will later on when she confesses to her friends that she faked it during phone sex."

They debate whether the scene was meant to be steamy or cringe-worthy, ultimately finding it both shocking and a catalyst for deeper character exploration.

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3. Carrie's Literary Pursuits

Carrie’s new endeavor of writing a historical novel set in the 1840s is another focal point.

• Chelsea Fairless [17:19]: "She's writing a novel set in what, the 1840s and that it's fiction?"

The hosts speculate on the implications of this plotline, suggesting it could serve as connective tissue between storylines.

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4. Fashion Analysis: Carrie's Outfits

A significant segment is dedicated to dissecting Carrie’s fashion choices, highlighting her Simone Rocha ensemble and other notable outfits.

• Lauren [18:48]: "The level of insanity of the Carrie outfits, which range from good, which I would put the Simone Rocha to. What the fuck?"

They commend Simone Rocha’s design for being both aspirational and grounded, contrasting it with more extravagant past choices.

• Chelsea Fairless [19:00]: "I think that this is the best thing she's ever worn on 'And Just Like That,' hands down."

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5. Seema's Storyline and Relationship with Ravi

Seema's storyline introduces her relationship dynamics with Ravi, leading to a rapid breakup depicted through an abrupt scene.

• Lauren [21:14]: "She lights a cigarette, falls asleep. The edit is so bizarre that at first you're not sure exactly what happened."

Chelsea praises the swift conclusion of Seema and Ravi’s relationship, anticipating future developments.

• Chelsea Fairless [22:07]: "It's clear that she needs someone that is more available to her."

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6. LTW's (Laurie) Plotline: PBS Documentary

Laurie’s focus on a PBS documentary about unsung black sheroes is examined, with hosts discussing her professional and personal struggles.

• Lauren [23:00]: "LTW is bullied into doing a campaign event by his annoying campaign manager, Chauncey."

They ponder potential inclusions in the documentary, such as featuring Michelle Obama, adding a humorous touch.

• Chelsea Fairless [23:38]: "I kind of thought that was funny. Or it's a note from an executive that I can see someone giving."

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7. Miranda's Transformation and New Love Interest

Miranda Moanda's character arc takes a significant turn as she embraces her sexuality, culminating in a relationship with Rosie's character.

• Lauren [25:23]: "Be a lesbian. Finally. Thank you. It took three seasons."

Chelsea highlights the authentic moments that harken back to the original series, praising Miranda’s renewed spirit.

• Chelsea Fairless [26:32]: "I do feel like her soul has re-entered her body."

The hosts express excitement over the potential for Miranda's storyline to explore late-life romance and personal growth.

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8. Charlotte's Dog Drama: Peanut and Richard Burton

Charlotte faces a crisis involving her dog, Peanut, leading to a mix-up with another bulldog named Richard Burton.

• Lauren [35:20]: "Charlotte finally acquiesces and is like, I will pay for Peanut's MRI if you stop leaving angry emojis on Richard Burton's Instagram."

Chelsea and Lauren critique the storyline's execution, noting the overcomplication and humorous elements.

• Chelsea Fairless [37:15]: "Oh, my goodness. Oh, fuck."

They express hope for more engaging plotlines for Charlotte in future episodes.

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9. Episode Teasers and Future Expectations

The hosts discuss the teaser for the next episode, hinting at new characters and plot developments.

• Lauren [39:13]: "So the Dolly Wells romance is teased a little bit in this, which we already kind of knew about."

Chelsea and Lauren anticipate the introduction of Patti LuPone's character and other significant developments, setting expectations for the season.

• Chelsea Fairless [39:29]: "Great. Love and affair plotline."

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10. Critical Reception and Insights

Chelsea and Lauren provide their overarching thoughts, balancing criticism with appreciation for the show's direction and character arcs.

• Lauren [38:21]: "We barely got it. I think when we were promised voiceover, we expected, like, column voiceover."

They discuss the absence of traditional voiceover narration, comparing it to the original series and pondering its impact on storytelling.

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Conclusion: Setting the Stage for the Season

As the conversation wraps up, the hosts reflect on the episode's strengths and areas for improvement, expressing enthusiasm for upcoming episodes and storylines.

• Lauren [40:14]: "Daddy mpk loves chaos. So I'm sure we're gonna get it all."

• Chelsea Fairless [40:32]: "I will be here."

They encourage listeners to stay tuned for more in-depth analyses and tease topics for future episodes.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Chelsea Fairless [01:42]: "I can see that trimming down the cast a bit has been a positive thing for the show. It feels lighter."

• Lauren [02:23]: "I know there's a selection of people listening right now who refuse to watch the episode, who are like, I feel like we need to give more context before we go into this Aiden masturbating scene."

• Chelsea Fairless [07:19]: "Aiden is calling her because he's horny. He wants to jerk off."

• Lauren [11:07]: "I think we're supposed to understand because Carrie will later on when she confesses to her friends that she faked it during phone sex."

• Chelsea Fairless [19:00]: "I think that this is the best thing she's ever worn on 'And Just Like That,' hands down."

• Lauren [25:23]: "Be a lesbian. Finally. Thank you. It took three seasons."

• Lauren [35:20]: "Charlotte finally acquiesces and is like, I will pay for Peanut's MRI if you stop leaving angry emojis on Richard Burton's Instagram."

• Lauren [38:21]: "We barely got it. I think when we were promised voiceover, we expected, like, column voiceover."

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of Episode 223 of "Every Outfit," providing listeners with a thorough understanding of the hosts' perspectives and the episode's critical elements.

Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

I spent $40,000 on shoes.

[Lauren]

What's the matter, Morty? Coral? The Sting. Great gowns. Beautiful gowns. Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Hi. This is just a wellness check for Lauren, making sure she didn't go into early labor. Because I just watched the part. Aiden says he might have just shit himself a little bit when he actually honked his front corn with his knee.

[Lauren]

And.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I hope you're all okay. Hi, my name is Chelsea Fairless. Guys. I'm here to report that Lauren did in fact go into labor after watching Aiden masturbate.

[Lauren]

No, no, guys, I am here.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Just barely.

[Lauren]

I am in my last weeks of pregnancy. I don't know if you can tell from my voice, guys. Recovering from that cold that is going around. So, of course I was in a great headspace to watch this episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I'm screaming at our setup today because Lauren is sick. We decided to have a socially distanced recording. So you're actually sitting about 15ft away from me.

[Lauren]

We are in two separate rooms. We can see each other. And it's giving 2020.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So close, yet so far away.

[Lauren]

So what did we think of the first episode of. And just like that episode title. Outlook Good. A bit presumptuous.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. This episode was written and directed by Michael Patrick King. He always writes and directs the first episode of End. Just like that. And am I happy that the show is back? Of course. Am I traumatized from watching Aided Masturbate? Yes. But even from watching this first episode, I can see that trimming down the cast a bit has been a positive thing for the show. It feels lighter.

[Lauren]

It feels something. I. I'm so torn because I know there's a selection of people listening right now who refuse to watch the episode, who are like, I feel like we need to give more context before we go into this Aiden masturbating scene. But then there's the other half of the aud who did watch this episode who definitely want us to talk about Aiden masturbating in his pickup truck.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think we need to give.

[Lauren]

Context right now, I guess, first and foremost. Well, what did I think of the episode? I mean, I have nothing new to add. I still feel the same way as I did in season two, where the impulses are correct and yet they are executed in the most bizarre fashion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but aren't you a little bit encouraged by Miranda's plotline?

[Lauren]

At least one woman in their 50s is getting a dating storyline.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, and we need people to date for it to feel like sex in the city. So someone's got a date. And I love that they are giving that to Miranda, finally.

[Lauren]

So before we jump into the episode, how much time has elapsed?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I get the vibe that it was a couple months, maybe three. But wasn't it summer when they ended last season? Or was it just summer in Greece?

[Lauren]

It's confusing because if I had to guess, it's been a year. But I have subsequently listened to the writers room podcast and Daddy MPK was like, oh, a month went by. What?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So we have to take him at his word.

[Lauren]

Of course. This is his universe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And this episode opens with a scene of Carrie in her apartment in this insane Simone Rocha ensemble writing postcards to Aiden. This is what she wears to lick stamps?

[Lauren]

Well, yes, Kerry, of course, if she's gonna do anything, she's going to live in an old timey state of mind. Now she is sending Aiden postcards and he's sending blank postcards back. Or he's sending blank postcards and she's just writing a heart.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think they're just sending each other blank postcards. That was my takeaway. Also, we should note that she is in the Gramercy park apartment. Toto, we are not in Perry street anymore.

[Lauren]

Well, no, legally cannot go back to that street.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, can I just say the size of this apartment? Not since Panic Room have I seen such a cavernous pre war apartment in New York City.

[Lauren]

Well, knowing that only a month has gone by instead of a year makes a little more sense that this apartment is completely empty. But do you know what Carrie needs? Carrie needs those yoga socks or those like, hospital socks because she is constantly running in this apartment. And I was horrified. Cause there's also a gag throughout this episode where her alarm is going off and at one point she's running, she slips, and she falls on her newly replaced hip. I was like, okay, so clearly this is where we're going. And it's like, no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I thought that was a fun reversal of the episode of Sex and the City where Miranda slips and falls and calls Carrie for help. And she called Miranda in this instance, although Miranda had the decency not to send over Che Diaz to pick her off the floor.

[Lauren]

Do we want to guess where Che Diaz is?

[Chelsea Fairless]

We have no idea where Che Diaz is.

[Lauren]

Do you think they're still working at the vet office?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would assume so. I like that they just kind of got rid of Che. And who knows, maybe they'll make reference to Che later in the season. But I'm glad that we didn't get an explanation as to why Che wasn't around, or NYA for that matter.

[Lauren]

We should explain that unlike last year when we went scene by scene, we are going to go through the episode by character.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So Carrie's plotline is basically that neither she nor Aiden nor any of Carrie's friends understand what exactly they have agreed to in terms of this five year break.

[Lauren]

Isn't that so fun?

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, you're being a bitch already.

[Lauren]

How long have we been recording?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like five minutes.

[Lauren]

So Charlotte and Miranda are very chill about how ill defined this relationship is. Very anti Miranda. But thankfully we have Anthony, who I think is the Greek chorus of like, what is happening right now? What do you mean you don't know when he's coming back? That is legitimately crazy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'm glad at least one of her friends is giving it to her straight.

[Lauren]

Also, I find it bizarre that Carrie is this offended because. And I know that in and just like that world we have the memory of a squirrel or whatever. But Anthony has a legitimate perspective to give this to her, this perspective to her, seeing that his husband left him, went to Japan, didn't say when he was coming back, and became a Shinto monk, which I really thought was going to get referenced when he's asking Carrie, what? What do you mean you don't know when Aiden's coming back?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Aiden calls her.

[Lauren]

This already is annoying because the last time we've seen or heard from Aiden, he's like, I gotta go down to Virginia. I can't talk to you. I certainly can't talk to you when I'm with my kids. And yet here he is calling in the middle of the night from his pickup truck, drunk. Wonderful. Foot forward.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's not encouraging that he's already broken his own arbitrary rule, but he's calling her because he's horny. He wants to jerk off.

[Lauren]

Well, he wants to have phone sex.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which involves jerking off. Let me just say this was shocking, obviously for a lot of us. And I still kind of am unsure about the intention of it in the sense that like, was it supposed to be hot at any point, do you think? Or was it always supposed to be a sort of cringe sex scene in the way that a sex scene in Girls would be written.

[Lauren]

Well, again, having listened to the writers room podcast, no, Daddy mpk meant that very genuinely that this was a sex scene.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But Carrie was clearly not into it is the other part. And I get it. Like having been in a long distance relationship myself, sometimes the timing does not work out well.

[Lauren]

How could she not be into it when he starts like this?

[Chelsea Fairless]

If I was there right now.

[Lauren]

I'd.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Be touching you the way you like.

[Lauren]

You remember how you like me to touch you?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do.

[Lauren]

Touch yourself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. I know at least one person listening was genuinely turned on by this. And if so, call into the hotline because I am very curious about why you feel that way again.

[Lauren]

For a character who has so much history with Carrie Bradshaw that we have watched literally over multiple seasons and in the films and in a seasoned event just like that. I don't know how Aidan likes to touch Carrie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, we've never seen Carrie masturbate ever. Or have we?

[Lauren]

The rabbit episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, you're right. She does try the rabbit. I feel like we've seen the other girls masturbate quite a bit.

[Lauren]

Well, I mean, this goes into Sarah Jessica Parker's I'll call it prudity clause. That's a mixture of prude and nudity. So we're gonna spare you from maybe the grossest part of this scene, which is they are interrupted not by Wyatt, but by Aiden's knee hitting the horn of his car, scaring himself so badly that he tells Carrie, I think I shit my pants a little bit. Then he demands of her, like, no, no, let's get this back on track. And then this happens.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe carries into scat. Who knows?

[Lauren]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Are you still inside yourself? Yeah, I am right there with.

[Lauren]

Yeah, do it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Here it comes. Here it comes.

[Lauren]

Oh, my gosh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait.

[Lauren]

Oh, fuck.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my goodness. Oh, fuck. Here it comes. Lauren, wait.

[Lauren]

Chell. Did he come? Because I wasn't sure. So for those who refuse to watch this show anymore, which, respect, Carrie is not into it. Not because it's not hot, but she will go on to explain because her cat shoe is staring at her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who cares if your cat watches you masturbate under the covers?

[Lauren]

Yeah. It's hard to say if it really is the cat or it was Aiden's grossness.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, the cat was definitely an excuse. She was not turned on in this scenario. So much so that I was like, have they lost their spark? Like, are we supposed to think that she's repulsed by him?

[Lauren]

I think we're supposed to understand because Carrie will later on when she confesses to her friends that she faked it during phone sex. That that part of their life, their sex life, is the most honest thing about them. And I was like, what?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, to be fair, last season they did have a bunch of sex scenes, and it did seem like Carrie was into it.

[Lauren]

So this phone sex Scene. I don't know if your mind went there, Chelsea, but it made me go back to season six when Big would call Carrie and have phone sex with her. And I just want to juxtapose Big style against Aiden style. Hello?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Remember that red dress you had? What? Where are you?

[Lauren]

In California. In bed. Oh, I was sleeping. Alone? Yes, you woke me up. You never used to need so much sleep, kid.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm old now, like you.

[Lauren]

So the red dress, Versace or Gucci? That tiny little strap? Gucci. And when I slipped one strap down, the other would fall. Remember that dress?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren]

You look good in that dress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Remember when I found you in your closet and just heels and a bra and I came up behind you and put your hands against the wall? Remember that? Yes. Now that's hot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's so hot that I would listen to like AI Mr. Big Audio Erotica straight up.

[Lauren]

I guess this is the chief frustration for me and a lot of other listeners and certainly people on the end. Just like that subreddit where they did it. They did it on Sex in the City. Like that is a legitimately hot phone sex scene. It's not too graphic. It gives us this great lore dump of these moments we never got to see with Big and Carrie, but we can imagine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but it makes sense that Carrie and Aiden would have phone sex because they're in a long distance relationship. We had to get here at some point. Although they should just be having FaceTime sex because now that technology exists. Although for Carrie's sake, it's probably best that she didn't see him lick his hand.

[Lauren]

We didn't get into that. Yeah, Brokeback Mountain. This is not. We didn't get a spitting in the hand scene, but we did get a licking of the palm.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know what? Was it gross? Of course. But this was at the very least interesting, entertaining. People reacted to it online and I think Ann, just like that needs these moments, however upsetting. Just for the discourse.

[Lauren]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh golly, I'm coming.

[Lauren]

You know what? I think Trey and Carrie would have been a great couple together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Faking an orgasm during phone sex is completely acceptable. Oh, don't you think?

[Lauren]

I mean, it's certainly easier to do.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's not the same thing as faking an orgasm during sex, because phone sex is masturbation essentially.

[Lauren]

Right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just don't think that's something so fucked up that you should have to like confess it to your friends and then later apologize to your partner.

[Lauren]

Do we even think Carrie is capable of giving even a good fake orgasm? Like I think oh my goodness is as good as we're going to get.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I guess the takeaway is that Carrie is quite a bad actor herself. Not Sarah Jessica Parker. Sarah Jessica Parker. Great. Carrie, not so much.

[Lauren]

Hence why she calls Aiden back towards the end of the episode and is like, hey, I faked that, but I'm ready to do it again. And then not since Nally Portman masturbating in Black Swan did I have such a scare when Aiden reveals that he can't have phone sex and jerk off right now because his 15 year old son is in bed with him?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ugh, you're right. Very Black Swan.

[Lauren]

So.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So that's what happened with Carrie.

[Lauren]

Well, Chelsea, how could we forget that? Her alarm goes off yet again in the house and she can't sleep. So she starts writing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But we don't exactly know what she's writing yet. Although in the teaser for the season of and Just like that that aired at the end this episode, she says that she Is writing a novel set in what, the 1840s and that it's fiction?

[Lauren]

Yep.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Crazier things have happened.

[Lauren]

I suppose we'll get into the implications of Carrie writing a historical novel in a little bit, but think we need to get to the other shocking moment of this episode. Carrie in that gigantic hat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So we, of course, have talked about the hat before. The paparazzi photos came out a really long time ago because they shot this scene a very long time ago. It is no less shocking to see.

[Lauren]

It in person and not plot dependent at all. So I guess Daddy MPK has let that go completely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Obviously, wearing crazy hats is part of Carrie's fashion Persona, but this kind of transcends that because it's the kind of hat you would only ever see in a fashion editorial. Like, you would never see anything like this on the streets of New York, because if you wore this on the streets of New York, the looks that you would get from strangers. Like, if this scene was supposed to be realistic, people would be staring and pointing at her while she's eating gelato with Seema.

[Lauren]

You mean the NYU graduates would be pointing and laughing and filming her?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, exactly.

[Lauren]

I think the level of insanity of the Carrie outfits, which range from good, which I would put the Simone Rocha to. What the fuck? Which is this Washington Square park outfit, I think, hint at this reality that Carrie is currently living in, which is a reality parallel to the reality everyone else is existing in for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The craziest thing is we have no idea where she went in the Simone Rocha outfit because it cut immediately to the gay bar scene. Where was she going? Was this just her post office look?

[Lauren]

I think so.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I also think that this is the best thing she's ever worn on. And just like that, hands down, because it feels zeitgeisty to me. Like seeing Carrie in current season. Simone Rocha felt like seeing Carrie in current season. Like Nicolas Ghesquiere Balenciaga on Sex and the City back in the day. Like, it's fantastical and it's aspirational, but it's not so crazy aspirational that it's unrealistic. Like when she wears a Versace couture gown or something.

[Lauren]

Well, it's of the moment. Which the Washington Square park scene, the dress is vintage Ozzie Clark.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do love the dress and I love its parallels to the Trans Pride flag. Although that was clearly not intentional.

[Lauren]

And then what's the other Carrie outfit of the episode? Oh, when she goes to the Met.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. The ballet. And she's in a pussy bow blouse and a little miniskirt. And remember when Carrie dressed up as Helen Gurley Brown last season? And then she was annoyed that no one knew that she was wearing a costume. This is why. This could have also been a Helen Gurley Brown costume for sure. Although Anthony made a reference to that girl and Marlo Thomas, which.

[Lauren]

How can Carrie be such a bitch to Anthony? Like, he got the reference.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we move on to Seema?

[Lauren]

I mean, I suppose we have to because this is our job, as silly as it is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But we don't have to go in deep. I'm glad that she survived the end just like that Hunger Games and is in this season.

[Lauren]

Well, it's very clear that she is the Samantha stand in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, and she's refreshing because she's the only character that still lives a hedonistic lifestyle. Like when she fell asleep in bed in her lingerie smoking a cigarette. No other character would do that on this show.

[Lauren]

No, you are correct. So she is also someone like Carrie in a very bizarre situationship. But for reasons unknown, she is still with Ravi, the Marvel director. And she is up at all times of night waiting to FaceTime this man.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, that would make more sense. She's waiting for a zoom that Ravi's assistant is managing because it keeps getting pushed.

[Lauren]

The issue for me with Seema is she is obviously the Samantha stand in which I love, but we're getting like early season five Samantha taking Richard back after he cheated like desperate Samantha in Seema. So she's been waiting up all night. She lights a cigarette, falls asleep. The edit is so bizarre that at first you're not sure exactly what happened.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Never actually see the bed catch on fire.

[Lauren]

Seema has seemingly set the bed and her hair on fire for a man.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then she basically demands that Ravi visit her in New York. He does.

[Lauren]

This is insanity. I just wish Seema would have a little bit of chill.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, if there's any upside to seem as plotline, it's that they got Ravi off the show as fast as humanly possible.

[Lauren]

Oh, not before we went on a location scout all throughout Manhattan, which culminated.

[Chelsea Fairless]

In a CG GI peer, which is truly the perfect place for their breakup because I assume that that's what Ravi's movies look like.

[Lauren]

If Carrie and Berger had a Hollywood kiss, this is like a Hollywood ending because Robbie says, I will always love you. And then Seema goes, great. Last line, roll credits.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To be fair, that's kind of an abrupt and mean way to dump someone.

[Lauren]

Especially after you demand that they fly, what, 5,000 miles to see you? They oblige to. You are also a very busy working person. You understand the demands on Ravi.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. But it's clear that she needs someone that is more available to her.

[Lauren]

Well, she says earlier in the episode when Robbie's assistant is like, sorry, like we lunch got pushed an hour, whatever it is, she goes, I could go to set in Egypt in the time that I've been waiting. And it's like, yeah, go visit him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I think we can move on from her. We'll see what happens with her this season. Ltw.

[Lauren]

Let's do it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She kind of had less to do. She's working on her PBS documentary series about ten unsung black sheroes. I didn't realize that people used the word sheroes outside of Instagram posts on International Women's Day.

[Lauren]

Yeah. LTW's plotline in this episode, she has so much story and yet so little plots. She is pitching her PBS documentary to production company PBS executives. It remains to be seen. And they love everything she's presented. But here's an idea. What if you took one of those unsung black sheroes and replaced her with Michelle Obama?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I kind of thought that was funny. Or it's a note from an executive that I can see someone giving. It's preposterous, but I think that's what they were trying to say about how insane notes can be.

[Lauren]

Well, is it preposterous? Because the only other storyline is that her husband Herbert, who's still running for citicomtroller, wonders if he's cool. LTW is bullied into doing a campaign event by his annoying campaign manager, Chauncey. But it's all okay because he used to work at the White House, which leads you to believe it's the Obama White House, which then I'm like, are we getting a Michelle Obama cameo?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, we got Gloria Steinem last season, so crazier things have happened. I wonder if Chauncey is going to be a big side character or no.

[Lauren]

It's hard to say. And I think the only other plot development for LTW is we get to see her fabulous kitchen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And that's what happens with her.

[Lauren]

We're out of the closet into this open concept kitchen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So can we move on to an aspect of this episode that I really love, which is Miranda Moanda? Moanda has been unburdened by her side characters, NYA and Shay Diaz. So now we have a little more time for her to sort of explore. Bring New things into her life.

[Lauren]

Be a lesbian. Finally. Thank you. It took three seasons.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I really like that Charlotte and Carrie went to the lesbian bar with her. That was cute. I also loved the bit about her thinking a woman was hitting on her or giving her the eyes from across the bar. But really it's just Brady's old babysitter, Cassandra.

[Lauren]

These are moments, I would say, in Miranda's storyline are the closest story beats we get that feel like old school Sex in the City apply to this new and just like that world. And through Cassandra, we get this data dump where we learn that Miranda and Steve sold their brownstone, which was my point all along. Why are we having this bizarre fight last season? Just sell the brownstone, split the money down the middle. Brady and Steve are living in a loft, which, frankly, I'd love that spin off show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, you wouldn't.

[Lauren]

And Miranda has an Airbnb in the West Village, which not the neighborhood I would have picked for Miranda, honestly, but why not? And she also comes out as a lesbian and sober.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, we knew she was sober.

[Lauren]

This is true. But love, love to see her drinking those phony Negronis.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think generally she feels less doofusy. Like, obviously throughout the course of this episode, humiliating things do happen to her, and humiliating things always happen to Miranda. That's part of her character. But I do feel like her soul has re entered her body.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I mean, I think Che Diaz broke her. And now Miranda has remade herself as the Miranda that we remember.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Rosie o' Donnell hits on her.

[Lauren]

Well, they are the only two randos left at this lesbian bar.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did Rosie o' Donnell have a spray tan?

[Lauren]

You would be the best judge of this child.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because I feel like she's pale like us usually. I don't know, maybe it was the lighting. Rosie's looking good. She's looking generic, kind of basic. She's not the edgy Rosie o' Donnell that we know now.

[Lauren]

Which will be relevant to the reveal of. Of Rosie o' Donnell or Mary as we come to know her as.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And Mary's just like, hey, I got a hotel room. And Miranda's like, you know, fuck it. I think we've all had that moment.

[Lauren]

Yes. Which makes their morning after just even.

[Chelsea Fairless]

More shocking when it cut to the morning after. I just couldn't have imagined that I would live to see the day that this would happen.

[Lauren]

That your two lesbian icons would have a scene where they sleep together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think it's just because in 1998, my world revolved around Sex and the City. And the Rosie o' Donnell show simultaneously.

[Lauren]

Now, Chelsea, be honest. Did you ever write Rosie o' Donnell slash Cynthia Nixon fanfic?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It seems like I would, honestly. But no.

[Lauren]

I have to say. Rosie o' Donnell as Mary, a little forward, considering that we learn this about her. Oh, you are really, really something. I am? Oh, my God, yes. It felt so, so.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know, electric and yet still so natural. I never dreamed of my first time.

[Lauren]

Could be both those things.

[Chelsea Fairless]

First time?

[Lauren]

So then this was your first time with a woman?

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is my first time with anyone.

[Lauren]

I'm a virgin.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I was a virgin. You were a virgin? Yes. I'm a nun.

[Lauren]

You're a nun. Who knew that a virgin nun would have so much game?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, see, that's the thing. We think she has game because of the directness of I have a hotel room. But you subsequently realize that it's more that she doesn't know how to flirt or how to pick someone up because she has no experience doing that. Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

[Lauren]

Okay, I do want to get into this because Miranda is kind of cruel the rest of the episode because she will not engage with Mary again because Mary turns out to be a cringe tourist, inviting her to do all these very touristy things. But, like, who cares? She's in town for a couple days. There is nothing better than being a tourist in your own city. Like, go to Tavern on the Green for lunch. Who cares?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I think being a tourist in your own city in New York can actually be really awful.

[Lauren]

Go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We've all had people visit us and they want to go to the worst parts of New York, which, let's face it, is Times Square. Tavern on the Green. I've only been there for parties where they've just kind of, like, cleared the whole place out. So I don't really have a sense of what the dining experience is like or the fact that it's passe.

[Lauren]

So the next time we go to New York and I invite you to come to the carousels in Central Park, I should expect you to just do a thumbs down.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, see, that wouldn't speak to me.

[Lauren]

I mean, look, I relate to Miranda for not wanting to meet up with Mary, the Virgin Mary. You get it, Chell. In Times Square. Especially after Mary has seen Wicked. I mean, we know my feelings about musicals.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we really can't escape Wicked this year, can we? And we had previously seen paparazzi photos of Rosie in this Wicked T shirt and Cynthia. So this scene wasn't surprising, but because I had seen those photos, I thought, there's no way Miranda is sleeping with this character. But they initially made her present as less touristy. And I actually really liked the fact that Carrie gave her shit for that. She said, I can't believe you had sex with a tourist. Like, that's even crazier or worse than a nun. Also, this made me wonder, are there just like progressive nuns that are out lesbians now? Because it seems like that would happen at some point.

[Lauren]

So let's get into into this because I feel like they burn a lot of story with this Rosie o' Donnell character because Miranda doesn't want to engage with her until the very end of the episode where Miranda is like, I took your virginity. I've just come out of a crazy place in my life. I don't want you to make any radical decisions like Miranda's already gone to. Oh, this woman is leaving her religion for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Miranda knows how whipped she was by Che Diaz and how mentally unstable that can make you.

[Lauren]

Right? But I love that Mary is like, oh, no, no, no. I just wanted to have sex.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just cheated on God with you. But we are still married to God. I just love this whole thing. I know that Dolly Wells, the character of Joy, is going to be a bigger love interest this season, and I just hope that they don't make Miranda settle down too quickly because I really, really like this.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I mean, this is something we have to give Daddy MPK and the their flowers when they deserve it. This is what we've been asking for of like get back to the boyfriend or girlfriend of the week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And I think that being a late in life lesbian and dating in middle age is an interesting thing for them to tackle. Someone's got a date.

[Lauren]

You were talking earlier about how there's not as much of the doofusication of Miranda in this episode, but I think they've saved that for Charlotte because this storyline is incomprehensible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Well, I do think that Kristen consistently is great at being the comic relief on and Just like that, but yes, I do think that this plotline is a little bit beneath her. As much as I love Richard Burton as someone that has also rescued a bulldog, obviously I vibe with this more than your average person, but I think my issue, and I'm assuming your issue, is that it's just a very confusing plotline about a dog getting canceled in a roundabout way.

[Lauren]

So Charlotte and LTW are walking in. I imagine Central park in neon versions of like a Sopranos outfit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To me, it reminded me of the part in Barbie where Barbie and Ken are doing, like, the Venice beach rollerblading scene, right?

[Lauren]

It is giving early 90s. It's giving Sopranos tracksuit. And I'm like, ooh, okay, more Charlotte. Ltwo you. This feels good. This feels safe. And then suddenly, this. Like, there's nothing else I can call her, but like a Central Park Karen runs up to Charlotte and is like, your mongrel of a dog shattered my dog's vertebrae. Question mark.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Also, I think this is a good time to play that call, you guys. I can't. Okay. I'm watching the episode the Old lady and the Dog Park. She's. I've seen it so many times. She's the one who throws fake blood on Samantha. Murder.

[Lauren]

Murder.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I swear to God, I've seen her. And I think that she's. That they. They had her be like another nasty bee again.

[Lauren]

Yes, caller, you are correct.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This fuckette is so on it.

[Lauren]

The woman has a name in this. And just like that episode, it's Jane Hayes. She is played by an actress named Nancy Shane, who must be friends with Daddy Mpk, because not only is she activist number two in the first Sex and the City film, she plays Viola in an episode of Sex and the City. And she was on an episode of the Comeback.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, wow. Yeah, that could speak to a relationship with Daddy Mpk. But also, she could have just been a working actor in New York for the past few decades.

[Lauren]

That is also true. Well, glad she's getting work. The accusation is that Richard Burton was off leash and attacked another dog.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The dog has a name. It's named Peanut.

[Lauren]

Sorry, an attacked Peanut. So Charlotte, in a scene that happens off screen, accuses their dog walker of negligence. So that dog walker quits.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then Charlotte has to miss Lily's ballet thing.

[Lauren]

It doesn't matter.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then she tries to get Richard Burton in doggy daycare. But the daycare guy recognizes Richard Burton.

[Lauren]

He reveals that Peanut is also housed at that same daycare and therefore can't take Richard Burton in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but how does he know what Richard Burton looks like?

[Lauren]

Maybe it's because this Central Park, Karen is spamming Richard Burton's Instagram. If you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How did she find Richard Burton's Instagram?

[Lauren]

If you remember from last season, we know that Charlotte, one of her many jobs, is making Richard Burton a mini celebrity on Instagram.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why does Charlotte agree to pay for Peanut's mri?

[Lauren]

So that her dog doesn't get canceled on Instagram.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then the reveal is that it's actually a case of mistaken identity because.

[Lauren]

Charlotte finally acquiesces and is like, I will pay for Peanut stupid MRI if you stop leaving angry emojis on Richard Burton's Instagram. Again, for those who are not watching this season, we visually see none of this. It is all tell no show. And just as Charlotte accepts her fate of having a semi canceled dog, another bulldog runs onto this woman and Peanut and she's like, look at your dog.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And that. That's crazy because Richard Burton is sitting right there.

[Lauren]

We should say that this woman is like, well, I don't have my glasses, bud. And then Charlotte becomes very indignant of like, you can't tell two English bulldogs apart. Which, you know, I'm not an English bulldog owner, but I'm with Charlotte. I believe I would be able to tell these two dogs apart.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. Let's hope that Charlotte gets more to do this season. Let's pray.

[Lauren]

I just. I can't believe we came so far. We're in the third season, Charlotte's working again, and we're. And we're back here.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. Final thought, there was no end just like that. Or there was an end just like that. But it didn't come when we expected it.

[Lauren]

It came verbally from Kerry when Anthony apologizes to her, when he's like, you were really mad at me. And then she goes, and just like that, I'm not.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you and I, obviously, over the years, we have made fun of some of the end just like that. But I didn't hate that they were there. I always look forward to the end just like that.

[Lauren]

Well, it's part of the camp of the show. And it is interesting the things that they've dumped out of, like Carrie podcasting as being an updated allegory for the column, the taking out the voiceover and having these. And just like that at the end of the episode. Now we've taken the end just like that's out. We were promised voiceover and we got it. Sort of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We barely got it. I think when we were promised voiceover, we expected, like, column voiceover.

[Lauren]

Yes. Which is the purpose of that was twofold. Right. You hear what Carrie is presumably writing in her article that week, but it was also connective tissue between all of the storylines, which I think without that kind of connective tissue, voiceover is why a lot of these storylines, especially LTW and Seema, feel like they're running parallel to the three main women. Right. Well, it's very clear that, or at least to me that the voiceover is Carrie writing some novel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This 1840s novel. I guess we should now get into the teaser for the rest of the season because we did learn quite a bit.

[Lauren]

That's right at the end of this episode, they not only played, they actually didn't play a preview for episode two. They were like this season on end, just like that. Here we go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So the Dolly Wells romance is teased a little bit in this, which we already kind of knew about. We meet LTW's hot editor.

[Lauren]

Great love, love and affair plotline.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We see Steve briefly. Steve comes back.

[Lauren]

Thank God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Most crucially, we see Patti lupone playing Giuseppe's mother, a very scary Italian woman. Love that. We learn that Carrie has a hot neighbor. Great. I hope she dumps Aiden and ends up with him.

[Lauren]

Well, how could she dump Aiden? Because also, what we see is a rehash of the season four closet fight where it's very clear that Aiden's moving in with her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if I can handle that.

[Lauren]

You're gonna have to, Chelsea. We have 11 more episodes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's hard to say what would be better, Aiden moving in or Aiden and Carrie continuing to be in this very precarious long distance relationship that doesn't really seem like it's bringing either of them joy.

[Lauren]

I mean, it's very clear that daddy mpk loves chaos. So I'm sure we're gonna get it all. We're gonna get Aiden and we're going to get another love interest for Carrie and just, you know, we'll see where it ends up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And guys, we will be here.

[Lauren]

Well, one of us will be here every single week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I will be here.

[Lauren]

At the very least, am I even pregnant? Did I fake a pregnancy so I don't have to talk about it just like that? Hard to say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, if you for some reason want us to talk about this episode more, we have a new episode of our post show and just after that that will be coming out on Patreon and Apple podcast subscriptions on Sunday. So tune in or don't.

[Lauren]

For those of you who do not care about our commentary of and just like that, you will now get your wish. We are going to get into pop culture stuff. So Chelsea and I were on the phone this morning discussing what we were going to discuss on the end just like portion of the podcast. And Chelsea just went, I have to go. Taylor posted something. I go, what did Taylor post? She goes, I don't know, there's something on Instagram and I got to go to her website. I'll call you back.

[Chelsea Fairless]

God, I'm stupid. So what you are referring to is the fact that today Taylor posted this very long letter on her website in a handwritten typeface that was very distressing for me to read. Written on what looked like a. An old weathered piece of parchment, very Carrie Bradshaw's 1840s novel. And she basically said that she has purchased her masters back. The masters to her first six albums and everything around them, like the images on her album covers and stuff.

[Lauren]

So that's why she was on tour for the Eras tour for two straight years. She's like, you know what? I'm going to rack up an amount of money that Scooter Braun can't say no to me. I guess so, because as of now, we don't know the dollar figure attached to it. I believe her masters were sold to Scooter Braun and that other company for like 200, 300 million. Something like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Something like that. I'm very happy for Taylor. Although this is somewhat distressing news for people that were looking forward to Reputation Taylor's version, because in this long letter she basically said that she's only rerecorded a quarter of the songs from that record. And she's struggled with it because she felt that it was the only album that she's ever done that she couldn't really improve upon by rerecording it.

[Lauren]

Whoa. Do you agree?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it came out not that long ago. What's she going to do? Like, I can see how she could improve certain things on her debut album.

[Lauren]

Getaway card, the 17 minute version.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That would be great. She does say that Vault tracks from Reputation will come out at some point, which is encouraging. That's what we care about. But I think what a lot of Taylor Swift fans also were looking forward to is like, oh, maybe will we get a getaway car music video or something like that.

[Lauren]

I love the idea that it's not that she wanted to buy her masters back, but she got such writer's block trying to rerecord Reputation. She was like, fuck it, here's 400 million. Can I have the masters back?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think a lot of her fans are happy for her, obviously, but at the same time, people were really, really gearing up for Reputation because the re recorded version of look what you made me do appeared in an episode of the Handmaid's Tale a couple weeks ago.

[Lauren]

Right, right, right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And people found out like, oh, this is Taylor's version. So this is how she's sort of kicking off this whole Thing.

[Lauren]

Is this the first time she's referred to to the Vault? Because that just makes me think of when we were children.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Disney Vault.

[Lauren]

The Disney Vault, yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there's two vaults, Lauren. There's the Disney Vault and then there's.

[Lauren]

The Taylor Swift vault, which I guess technically the Handmaid's Tale is in the Disney vault because it's a Hulu show. And do you have this same issue? I can't get into my Hulu account now. They're like, just go to Disney plus and I have a subscription for both. I don't know if I'm being double charged, but. But there is nothing funnier. And it also makes me feel a little bit conservative when it's like the Disney films, the Avengers films, and then like dying for sex.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I haven't been locked out of Hulu yet, thank God, because I need it to watch the Handmaid's Tale. And I'm aware that I'm the only person that still watches that show.

[Lauren]

But didn't it just end finally?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It did just end.

[Lauren]

Good, Bad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The penultimate episode with the Taylor Swift song was like the episode to make a parallel with Girls. You know what I mean? Like, the penultimate episode was the best. The one after it I didn't like as much. But we understand why it's there. But there is going to be a sequel series, no? Yes. And I will watch it, tragically.

[Lauren]

Here's what I'm getting with all of this Taylor Swift news. And we'll get into the Justin Bieber, Hailey Bieber stuff. It's a real mixed bag of a week for Scooter Braun. Scooter Braun has lost the Taylor Swift masters. But he might finally get paid back from the alleged loan and tens of millions of dollars Justin Bieber owes him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right, Because Justin Bieber canceled part of his last tour.

[Lauren]

Yes, which comes from some TMZ special report that I didn't watch, but I saw the clips on TikTok.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. And. And this week it was announced that his wife, Hailey Rhode Bieber has sold Rhode Cosmetics to Elf. Who knew that Elf Cosmetics was killing it like this?

[Lauren]

Yes, Elf Cosmetics will acquire.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Elf Cosmetics has $800 million to give Hailey Bieber.

[Lauren]

Yes, Elf Cosmetics will acquire Rhode for. The headline is $1 billion. But I read the article.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Clickbait.

[Lauren]

Yes, it's $600 million in cash, which is nothing to cry about. But the billion comes from $200 million in ELF stock. Sorry, it's just funny to say ELF, which, by the way, did you know that ELF stands for eyes, Lips, Face.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I did not know that.

[Lauren]

I learned from this article that it is. And then an additional 200 million, which is based on the future growth of the brand over three years. But that's 600 million in cash. I call that a bald win. Hey. Oh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That'S horrible, Lauren. And it's reminding me that we didn't talk about the why Wyatt? Line on. And just like that. But let's move on.

[Lauren]

I thought you were going to say we didn't even talk about Justin Bieber's horrendous Instagram post when his wife last week debuted on the COVID of Vogue magazine, which I'm now looking at. It has publication become so dark that it's not just the June July issue, it's just the summer issue? Is this one issue for the entire summer?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, wow. I didn't even notice that the whole Justin Bieber thing overshadowed every aspect of this cover reveal, which is so deeply depressing. Would you like to read Justin Bieber's caption or should I?

[Lauren]

I mean, I don't know if I could do it justice, but I'll try. So he posts his wife in Vogue magazine. Nice. Right? Till you read the caption. Yo, this reminds me when Haley and I got into a huge fight. Okay. I mean, this could go either way, right? I told Hails that she would never be on the COVID of Vogue. Yikes. I know. So mean. For some reason, because I felt so disrespected, I thought, I gotta get even. I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even. There's some other stuff, but, like, that's the main takeaway.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. The end part is the best, though. We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection. Good to know. He's going to therapy, so. Baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover, because clearly I was sadly mistaken.

[Lauren]

Clearly, I was sadly mistaken. Could have used the second round. Could have used some proofreading before posting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This should be a jailable offense.

[Lauren]

Well, he got dogs so hard that by the end of the day, he had changed the caption to just a bunch of emojis.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, and the sad thing is that all he had to do to do was write congrats, baby, with a heart emoji and call it a day. But this is, like, the most extreme backhanded compliment, essentially.

[Lauren]

Well, I don't mean to be too chronically online, but I'm sorry, this is narc behavior. And by that I mean narcissist, but, like, way to make this about you. Literally, this cover and the photos in the video had been up for an hour, and then for the next three days, everyone just talked about this Justin Bieber post. This woman had to sell her brand to Elf just to get people to stop talking about this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She had to sell her brand to those goddamn Keebler elves.

[Lauren]

Kris Jenner has a new face.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She does indeed have a new face, and dare I say, it is spectacular. I think she should just cop to it and brag about it.

[Lauren]

In a way she has, because the fact that People magazine and Page Six both ran stories that confirmed the facelift and said it was the work of Stephen M. Levine, like, we know who those sources are. If Kris Jenner did not want this out, then it wouldn't be out. And seeing that these deep plane facelifts now cost a quarter of a million dollars and we know what a deal maker Kris Jenner is, something tells me she was like, if you knock off 50k, I'll admit to getting this done in the press.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think it's a flex to admit that you got worked on by this one particular surgeon, because he also did Lindsay, Demi, Soon Yi, Soon Me.

[Lauren]

Which Demi?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Demi Moore.

[Lauren]

Whoa.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, he didn't actually do Soon Yi.

[Lauren]

But would this man be into doing a two for one perhaps? I know, for a middling podcast duo.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, this man is such a genius, I'm not even mad that he charges 200k. It's worth it for someone that has to live on camera like Kris Jenner. And honestly, I may reconsider my own goal of home ownership and just work towards getting a facelift at some point.

[Lauren]

It's just. It's spooky.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I don't even think it's spooky. I think it's flawless.

[Lauren]

No, it's spooky in the sense that when. So her new face debuted at Lauren Sanchez's bachelorette party. Perfect place to reveal it in Paris, where, I swear to God, I thought it was Kendall.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And yes, some of the images that she's posted on her Instagram account have obviously been Facetuned, but still, we saw video footage of her walking around Paris looking like this.

[Lauren]

It's also. Sorry, Chelsea and I are just staring at images of Kris Jenner's face. It's not just the face either. It's the neck and shoulders, which I think previous to this era of faceless lift hasn't been figured out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, Dr. Steven Levine has definitely figured it out. So good for him. It's nice to see innovation.

[Lauren]

Speaking of innovation, I don't know about you, Chelsea, but my DMS have been flooded about this Skims pierced nipple bra.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The latest genius offering from skims.

[Lauren]

I got the nipple bra. I don't know if I'll be buying the pierced nipple bra.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I could buy the Pierce nipple bra. I just want to see how it looks. As someone that doesn't have pierced nipples, I am curious about what it would look like.

[Lauren]

Well, this is my confusion because at least, I mean, this gets back to the Sex and the City episode with the fake erect nipples. But to tease a man with fake erect nipples, that's one thing. But what happens when you take your bra off and your nipples aren't pierced?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. It's false advertising is what it is. The pierced nipple bra works if you're in a long term relationship. I guess the pierced nipple bra would not work for a one night stand or for the first time you have sex with someone. Like, that's a crazy reveal. But I love it as a design object itself. Like, it's very avant garde. It's very Gaultier in spirit.

[Lauren]

You know, to that point, I do think we need to buy the pierced nipple bra just to add it to the every outfit archive of ephemera.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, for sure.

[Lauren]

What else?

[Chelsea Fairless]

This was announced a couple weeks ago, but we haven't yet gotten to it, which is that Pier Paulo Pacioli is in it. Balenciaga replacing Demna.

[Lauren]

How's Tatiana doing with this news?

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's not well. And I personally feel quite conflicted about this announcement because on one hand, I think that the transition with the couture will be pretty seamless.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can imagine Pierre Paulo debuting his fabulous gowns in that couture salon. Gowns are his strength. Specifically making gowns that reference all of those great mid century designers like Cristobal Balenciaga, like Christian Dior, like Yves Saint Laurent, et cetera. The ready to wear is what I'm a little bit scared of. And ready to wear is something that I think Demna did so well.

[Lauren]

I mean, tat's just gonna have to become a Demna Gucci girl. I don't know what else to say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but she doesn't feel like being a Gucci girl. I'm sure she will want to be a Gucci girl by the time the collection actually happens, but it's a big leap.

[Lauren]

I mean, it's really proving that the brand itself kind of doesn't mean anything anymore. It really is the Designer there at the time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yet it's kind of sad because they've done so much brand building with Demna. Like every Balenciaga store in the world now looks like a prison, essentially. It's also. They're just. They have such opposite worldviews. Like Pier Paulo is someone that is very interested in things being traditionally beautiful, whereas Demna is not interested in that at all. It is a much more conceptual designer. So they have such opposite worldviews when it comes to clothes.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Only. Only time will tell. And in. Oh, my God. It took this long to announce it. News. Maria Grazi, whatever her last name is, has finally succumb. She has announced that she will be leaving Dior as their creative director after a nine year run. This has been the longest nine years of my life, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. Look, we have obviously never been fans to anyone that has listened to this podcast before, but I do think it's worth noting that there was a lot of growth at Dior during the nine years that she was there. It's not as if she was unsuccessful.

[Lauren]

Sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, it wasn't our taste. We don't want those beach bags that say Dior.

[Lauren]

And to be fair, one of our greatest selling merch items that we should all be. Miranda's shirt was inspired by a Dior item.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Actually, we owe her. We should not be talking shit. But I think that a lot of people are ready for a different vibe at Dior. For Dior to be more of a leader in terms of fashion and not just because it's this mega brand.

[Lauren]

Well, I'm sure Jonathan Anderson is ready to finally announce that he will be the head of. Of Women's wear.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, I'm sure that this will be formally announced the second that we stop recording this podcast.

[Lauren]

Always. All right. I think that's everything.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is that everything?

[Lauren]

I mean, we could get into the Pee Wee documentary, but I think we've. Well, let's save that for next week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's talk about that next week. Everyone watch it if you haven't already. I know you have a max subscription, so do not let the Pee Wee documentary pass you by. And we will be back next week to talk about that. And episode two of. And just like that. And God knows what else will happen.

[Lauren]

All right, guys, see you next week. Or see you tomorrow over on our VIP channels if you want even more. And just like that, chat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bye, guys.

[Lauren]

Bye.

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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