224: On And Just Like That: The Rat Race (Feat. Karley Sciortino & Jonathan Parks-Ramage)

Summary

Podcast Title: Every Outfit
Episode: 224: On And Just Like That: The Rat Race
Release Date: June 9, 2025
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless and Carly Scortino
Guests: Jonathan Parks-Ramage and Carly Scortino
Description:
Every Outfit delves deep into the intersection of fashion and popular culture, offering sharp commentary and engaging discussions. In this episode, the hosts and their guests break down the latest happenings in the Sex and the City universe, particularly focusing on the new series And Just Like That.

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1. Episode Introduction and Guest Hosting

The episode kicks off with Chelsea Fairless announcing that Lauren Garroni cannot join due to the birth of her baby. She introduces guest hosts Jonathan Parks-Ramage and Carly Scortino as temporary co-hosts.

• Chelsea Fairless (01:33): "As Samantha Jones would say, just what the world needs, another man."

The transition sets a personal tone, blending the excitement of new life with the dynamic shift in the podcast’s hosting.

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2. Initial Discussion on And Just Like That

The hosts dive into their initial thoughts on the first six episodes of And Just Like That, highlighting differences from the original series.

• Carly Scortino (07:27): "Yeah, I know. And what blew my mind even more than the fact that she did not know this was the podcast itself was so weird..."

They discuss Megan Thee Stallion's appearance on Kristen Davis's podcast, expressing surprise at her harsh opinions about Carrie Bradshaw.

• Morty (07:09): "But I thought it was interesting that Kristen Davis clearly really identifies with Charlotte."

The conversation reflects a generational gap in the perception and appreciation of the original Sex and the City series.

• Carly Scortino (09:45): "No, I don't."

They also touch upon how Gen Z interacts with media and their financial consciousness compared to millennials.

• Jonathan Parks-Ramage (10:39): "Yeah. So there's this whole article... how Gen Z drinks less, they have sex less..."

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3. Detailed Breakdown of The Rat Race Episode

The core of the discussion focuses on episode titled "The Rat Race," examining character developments and plot lines.

a. Carrie Bradshaw’s Character Arc

The hosts critique Carrie’s new portrayal, noting a significant shift from her original persona.

• Morty (16:33): "But what really shook me so hard was she, like, throws her phone accidentally in frustration over her shoulder..."

They express confusion over Carrie’s unrealistic behavior, such as throwing her phone into a crowd and not retrieving it.

• Carly Scortino (17:23): "No, but that's what makes this camp."

The dialogue suggests a departure from authentic character traits, leaning into campiness for dramatic effect.

b. Introduction of New Characters

The episode introduces new characters like Lisette and explores their interactions with Carrie.

• Carly Scortino (23:02): "He is hot."

The hosts discuss the introduction of a landscape architect, portrayed by Liv Tyler, and critique the authenticity of the set and character interactions.

• Morty (28:36): "She actually is really shady that she didn't just wear that in a later scene."

c. Miranda’s Storyline

Miranda's plotline receives attention, particularly her interactions with the "tableside guac girl."

• Carly Scortino (34:15): "And then there was the bold move of her hitting on the tableside guac girl."

The hosts appreciate Miranda's continued exploration of her dating life, though they find some scenes cringeworthy.

• Morty (35:05): "Yes, it was giving flirty. And I do like Miranda coming back into, like, I just like dating storylines."

d. Charlotte and LTW’s Plot

The subplot involving Charlotte and LTW's obsession with hiring a college admissions consultant is heavily critiqued.

• Morty (37:45): "And the show has such a blind spot when it comes to class..."

The hosts find the characters' desperate actions unrealistic and out of touch with contemporary behaviors.

• Carly Scortino (38:30): "Yeah, it’s pretty wild."

They also highlight a controversial joke about an active shooter, noting its disconnect from the original series' tone.

• Morty (42:25): "That was crazy."

e. Seema’s Dating Montage

Seema's dating experiences are dissected, with a focus on her interactions with a matchmaker resembling Patty Stanger.

• Carly Scortino (45:37): "So good."

The hosts appreciate the introduction of Sheri Oteri's character but feel the storyline lacks development.

• Morty (46:44): "But there's also Sheri Oteri, which... I wanted the Sheri Oteri matchmaker spinoff."

f. Anthony and "Hot Fellas" Store

Anthony's launch of his brick-and-mortar store, "Hot Fellas," is briefly discussed, celebrating its return after being portrayed online.

• Carly Scortino (49:22): "I liked the baguette door handle."

The hosts express excitement about his character's return, emphasizing his role as a beloved and humorous presence.

• Jonathan Parks-Ramage (49:30): "He is my favorite character."

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4. Thematic Insights and Critiques

Throughout the episode, the hosts offer thematic analyses, critiquing the show's direction and character consistency.

• Carly Scortino (28:07): "What documentary director ever is just dropping a full blown edit day from their budget to chase after in kooky outfits like their son because they got a college consultant."

They discuss the show's struggle to balance campiness with authentic character development, often resulting in disjointed storytelling.

• Morty (33:41): "It's not bad. It's just the way it was said. That again, is giving uncle."

The conversation touches on the generational disconnect in humor and societal issues, highlighting the show's attempt to stay relevant.

• Jonathan Parks-Ramage (43:36): "But it is something that is much more current. It's weird to see And Just Like That reference current things that are so deeply dark."

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5. Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Chelsea Fairless (01:33): "As Samantha Jones would say, just what the world needs, another man."
• Morty (07:09): "But I thought it was interesting that Kristen Davis clearly really identifies with Charlotte."
• Carly Scortino (34:15): "And then there was the bold move of her hitting on the tableside guac girl."
• Jonathan Parks-Ramage (49:30): "He is my favorite character."
• Morty (33:41): "It's not bad. It's just the way it was said. That again, is giving uncle."

These quotes encapsulate the hosts' perspectives and critical insights throughout the episode.

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6. Conclusions and Closing Remarks

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the overall quality and direction of And Just Like That, expressing both appreciation and disappointment.

• Carly Scortino (52:27): "I enjoy them now that they're gone."
• Jonathan Parks-Ramage (52:46): "My fabulous new book is called It's Not the End of the World..."

The closing segment includes a plug for Jonathan's new book, blending personal achievements with ongoing podcast discussions.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 224 of Every Outfit offers a thorough and candid examination of And Just Like That, blending sharp fashion insights with in-depth pop culture analysis. The hosts and guests navigate the complexities of character development, plot inconsistencies, and generational shifts in audience reception, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the show's current trajectory.

Notable Mention:
Lauren Garroni makes a surprise appearance at the end, briefly sharing her thoughts from the hospital, adding a personal and heartfelt touch to the episode's conclusion.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I spent $40,000 on shoes.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

What's the matter, Morty? Great gowns. Beautiful gown.

[Carly Scortino]

Changed?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

No, it hasn't.

[Carly Scortino]

Hi, my name is Chelsea Fairless and I am so excited to announce that Lauren will not be joining me today because she has given birth to a healthy baby boy. As Samantha Jones would say, just what the world needs, another man. I have to say I have not yet met this little man. I have seen photos of him. He is very, very cute. I am so excited to meet him. I hope that I can go to the hospital today or tomorrow. I'm so happy for Lauren and Paul. My little Grinch heart has grown several sizes. But I will say this little bundle of joy did fuck up our recording schedule because Lauren went into labor when we were supposed to record this episode. And I think this is a good time for me to disclose that Lauren and I actually did get screeners of the first six episodes of and just like that. So we have seen the first six episodes and we have recorded recaps for episodes three through six, but not for two because we thought that she would still be pregnant. But oh no, the baby just had to come. So here I am with some really fabulous guest hosts. They are both writers, they are both friends with me and with each other, and they are both Carrie's. Please welcome to the Please give a warm welcome. I love how I'm saying this as if there's a studio audience. To Jonathan Parks Ramage and Carly Scortino.

[Morty]

Hello.

[Carly Scortino]

Or is it Shortino? Did I fuck it up?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

It's Shortino but it's fine.

[Morty]

Fuck.

[Carly Scortino]

I always fuck it up.

[Morty]

Oh, my God. We are Carrie. I love that. I've actually never been called a Carrie before. But it's true. All this true. No, I know. I actually love it.

[Carly Scortino]

I could tell that you're a Carrie from, like, a hundred feet away also. So Carly has been on the podcast before. Carly always fills in when some shit goes down. You know how on the Babysitters Club, how there's always, like, a member of the BSC that has to be on call in case someone cancels? That is, like, you for every outfit.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yes. What is it called? Not Friends with a Pot. It's like on Real Housewives. Friend of. I'm the friend of.

[Morty]

You're a friend of. Oh, my God. So this is like my friend of audition. We'll see if I get invited back.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, exactly. Well, Jonathan has never been on, but I have to say, I heard you on How Long Gone? A couple of weeks ago, and I felt a little jealous.

[Morty]

Oh, my God. I love that. Yeah. They said it was their horniest episode ever recorded. We just talked about gay sex the whole time, which is a lot of straight guys just want to talk about gay sex. It's confusing, but I was more than happy to oblige.

[Carly Scortino]

I loved it. Unfortunately, not that much sex on this particular episode of and Just like that.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

But we'll find a way.

[Morty]

We'll find a way.

[Carly Scortino]

We'll find a way. We'll get into it. But before we discuss this week's episode, I want to talk about something else major that happened in the Sex and the City universe this week, which is Megan the Stallion's appearance on Kristen Davis podcast, Are youe a Charlotte? I just want to play a little clip of that now.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Is Big still on the show?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Morty]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Something happened to him. Should I tell her? I don't know. I don't want to ruin it for you.

[Morty]

Tell me.

[Carly Scortino]

He died. I feel really bad.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

We killed him. Sorry. Yeah, I know. I don't know. Is that good or bad? I don't know. That's what we did.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Y' all had to kill the man.

[Carly Scortino]

We did. How did he die? Nobody told me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sorry. Did I ruin it?

[Carly Scortino]

Now I feel bad. How did he die?

[Chelsea Fairless]

He died on the Peloton.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

He died on the Peloton?

[Morty]

He had heart issues. He had a heart attack.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

That's crazy.

[Morty]

Oh, my God.

[Carly Scortino]

I love that she's a big enough fan that she's watched Sex and The City. But she hasn't watched either of the movies or end just like that.

[Morty]

No, I know. And what was the. What blew my mind even more than the fact that she did not know this was the podcast itself was so weird because it was like the podcast, I guess, is just celebrities interviewing Kristen Davis about Sex and the City and what they think of her and her performance and every. She didn't ask Megan Thee Stallion a single question. I was so shocked.

[Carly Scortino]

Look, the format of are you a Charlotte? Drastically changes from week to week, but I actually think this was the best episode because normally it's the reverse. Normally it's Kristen, like, explaining to Sarah Jessica Parker, like, what happened on Sex and the City.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Right, because she famously, like, didn't watch the show ever.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, exactly. No, she hasn't.

[Morty]

But Megan was iconic. I mean, she was so funny.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

She's so funny. But I thought it was interesting that Kristen Davis clearly really identifies with Charlotte. Like, when she talks about Charlotte, she's like, me. I. Like, I did this or I do this. And usually an actress will refer to the character by the character's name, and it really feels like she thinks of herself as a Charlotte.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

Oh, for sure. I think she is a Charlotte. You know, it's not like she's secretly a Samantha and she has to play this woman, you know?

[Morty]

Yes, correct. I was also shook by Megan Thee Stallion was adamant she was like, I would not be friends with Carrie. Like, she kind of hates Carrie. And you can see Criston, like, kind of, like, malfunction because she's like, ha.

[Carly Scortino]

Ha ha, ha ha.

[Morty]

But, like, Meghan just, like, hates Carrie so much. Says something about, like, this crazy lady. She called her insane multiple times. Like, this crazy lady who, like, wears crazy dresses. Like, I was just, like, so shook by how much Megan Idk, like, just hated Carrie. I was shook.

[Carly Scortino]

Well, she hates Miranda, too.

[Morty]

Yeah. I think she hates everyone except Kristen. I think that was the takeaway. Did you actually like the show and Samantha?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I mean, she watched the show twice. She did say, I think, like, the fucking Carrie meme. Like, when we look back on the show, it's clear with hindsight that she was more of a narcissist and a bad friend at certain points. Then I think people. There was discourse around when the show was originally airing.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

Oh, for sure.

[Morty]

I feel like people hate her more now than they ever. Like, I just. I thought everyone wanted to be a Carrie. I mean, I am a Carrie, but I think everyone did want to be Carrie at one point.

[Carly Scortino]

No, of course. Something shifted in the culture. Yes.

[Morty]

What was it?

[Carly Scortino]

Awareness of narcissism maybe?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah. Awareness of narcissism.

[Morty]

Yes. I think that's it.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I mean, I, like, wrote this article for Vogue whenever, and just like that premiered, which is basically looking back at Sex and the City and how it did kind of fuck up a lot of our aspirations or what we wanted to be when we grew up. Like, I was watching this right when we were teenagers or whatever, in our early 20s, and I was like, it's, like, aspirational to spend all of your income on shoes, not be able to cook, have the only thing in your refrigerator be sham, use your stove as storage, have, like, bad sex with a bunch of finance bros. You know what I mean? And then you start realizing as you get older, oh, maybe my priorities were a little skewed by these things. Like, maybe actually, like, not being able to cook, not being able to drive, not having savings isn't glamorous. It's just like full ass incompetence.

[Morty]

I mean, I can cook, but I don't know how to drive, still don't have savings and want to buy. I just bought a $500 Jacques Mousse shirt the other day, despite the fact that I don't have any money.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Maybe we should land Sex in the City.

[Morty]

So I am still a Carrie. I'm still a Carrie.

[Carly Scortino]

I'm still a Carrie, too. Like, when you were saying all of those things just now, I was like, God damn it, that's still me.

[Morty]

But I do think it's like, Megan was like, yeah, I never knew this show was good. I do think another generation, we, the three of us listeners, don't know. We did go to our friend Henry's high school to be guest speakers at his very private school. And he was introducing all of us by our bios and, like, explained what Chelsea did. And then he just kind of asked the class of, like, high schoolers, like, by show of hands, who here has heard of Sex in the City?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah.

[Morty]

Not a single hand was raised.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

There was one or two.

[Morty]

That was the mo. No, there wasn't.

[Carly Scortino]

No, I don't.

[Morty]

I don't remember.

[Carly Scortino]

There was, like, one person, but it was shocking.

[Morty]

Regardless, we were shocked. I felt traumatized. I was like, what's going on? It just feels like I felt like I didn't. I felt very dissociative in that moment.

[Carly Scortino]

Well, I was traumatized, too, because I've built my whole life around these people. Even if I had never started every outfit, still my life would be defined by this show, in a way, of course.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Morty]

You know, it was so definitive, I feel like. I guess I thought it was definitive for everyone, but I guess more our generation of people who grew up watching it. I don't know. But yeah. So then Megan Thee Stallion was just kind of like, yeah, I heard this show was good. And I was like, again, I just think it's like a generational thing, but I guess people are rediscovering it.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah. It's on Netflix now.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Well, not teenagers, obviously.

[Morty]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Have you been reading all this stuff recently about how Gen Z spend less money and are more financially conscious than millennials?

[Morty]

No.

[Carly Scortino]

Hmm.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah. So there's this whole article, I think it was like, in New York Magazine about how it's annoying for bartenders because Gen Z drinks less, they have sex less, and when they go to bars and order drinks, they close out after every drink so they can track how much money they're spending and that how, like, bar tabs are not a thing anymore. And I'm like, yeah, probably if these young people watch Sex in the City, they'd just be like, these bitches. Priorities are completely fudgeing. Insane.

[Morty]

It sounds like, so fun, though.

[Carly Scortino]

That sounds like.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Hell yeah.

[Morty]

I don't think Gen Z's having fun.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Like, I mean, we. I just feel like getting blacked out and having sex with people that you didn't like was our culture the point of.

[Morty]

Also the point of your 20s. That's. What else are you doing?

[Carly Scortino]

That's the only thing to do.

[Morty]

Yes. A thousand percent.

[Carly Scortino]

Make a tiny bit of money so you can buy a really expensive pair of shoes. That's it.

[Morty]

Yes. Get blackout drunk and make poor sexual decisions.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah.

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[Carly Scortino]

Okay, speaking of poor sexual decisions, I want to play a call that we got on the hotline this week that speaks to episode one of and just like that. Which I'm going to assume you guys have seen. Yes, Let me just play this now.

[Tim]

Hi, Lauren and Chelsea, it's Tim from Raleigh. I'm calling in because I listened to your most recent and just like that episode recap and you did say, any fuck ups. Please call in if you enjoyed or found sexy Aiden's jerk off scene. And I do want to just raise my hand and say that I am one of those fuck ups that did enjoy the jerk off scene. But you know, I'm a gay man so like I am attracted to like raw masculinity and like grossness like that. So just to see in that situation, you know, where he's just spitting on his hand and then reaching his pants and just like, oh yeah, like I was, you know, I have to admit that I was intrigued by it. So we are out there and we do exist. Anyways, have a good night. Bye.

[Carly Scortino]

Thoughts? Jonathan?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah. I was excited to hear your thoughts.

[Morty]

I don't want to disagree with a fellow member of the LGBTQ community and I don't want to kink shame, but I found nothing less sexual than that, especially the way it was worded. That was for me, it was like, I think he said something like, yeah, touch yourself how I touch you. It was like so. It was like creepy uncle, like molesting you in the closet.

[Carly Scortino]

So true.

[Morty]

It was not hot at all. She's like, I'm touching myself the way you touch me. And then he's sleeping next to his literal son. Later in the episode, nothing about. And then also the comment about shitting in his pants a little bit. I'm like, there was too many disgusting things peppered into already disgusting dialogue for me to find it. And I just don't actually find Aiden hot. Sorry.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, me neither. You do though.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I used to. I mean, it's becoming harder and harder. I mean, I was like, so a fan of Aiden and thought that he was like the boyfriend she didn't deserve at the time. But this one, it's like, okay, I have multiple thoughts. Everyone is all up in arms about the licking of the hand. Clearly licking or spitting on your hand with someone who's hot that you're hooking up with is very normal. It doesn't bother me and can be hot. It just contextually the whole thing. I mean, first of all, this guy says, my son got into a car accident, don't talk to me for five years, which sucks, right? That they can't even communicate. And then he leaves her in this uncertain position, which is very anxiety producing. Then calls her out of nowhere drunk, and is like 0 to 100. Wants her to be turned on. Is like, basically like, breaking his own boundary. That's so disorienting. And then he's like, are you inside yourself? I just shit my pants. I'm gonna come now.

[Carly Scortino]

It's like, you're a hot mess.

[Morty]

Oh, also, yeah. Very, very boundary breaking when you think about that.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Like, and she's just supposed to be, like, ready and raring to go.

[Morty]

Yeah, like, can't wait to hear about the shit in your pants while I.

[Carly Scortino]

Look. I'm glad that at least one person found this hot.

[Morty]

No, same, same. And again, I don't want to kink shame. I really don't. I'm very happy for your LGBTQ color.

[Carly Scortino]

Okay, so to get into the episode, this episode was called the Rat Race. It was directed by Michael Patrick King, written by Julie Rotenberg and Elisa Zuritsky, who are the old school Sex and the City writers that returned for end just like that. Where do we even start with this episode? I guess we should start with Carrie. At the beginning of this episode, we think that she's on a date with someone hot, kind of, because she's wearing, like, a sexy spangly dress, and she's, like, on the town, which we don't really see that much of, you know?

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

But she has a date with Lisette, and Lisette hates dating and hates her phone. And that is her personality, I suppose.

[Morty]

Yeah. And it's. It's so weird. It feels like such a non scene. It's such a weird scene to start out with. But what really shook me so hard was she, like, throws her phone accidentally in frustration over her shoulder and then just doesn't go and get it. Like, wait, she throws her phone, like, literally into a crowd and then just doesn't go and get it. Just continues her conversation with Carrie for, like, at least a minute and a half. And I was just like, what person ever in 2025 would literally do that?

[Carly Scortino]

No, but that's what makes this camp. And we need those things to happen or else it isn't campy. Because, yes, what human being would do that?

[Morty]

Exactly.

[Carly Scortino]

Also, we got a call on the hotline that I couldn't play because of audio issues from someone. That was Gen Z that was like, this is not how Gen Z people are.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Right, right, right.

[Carly Scortino]

Like, we're not just, like, scrolling and bitching about our phones and, like, throwing our phones into crap.

[Morty]

Yeah, I know.

[Carly Scortino]

It's obviously written by someone, someone older, about what they perceive as the experience of being a young person dating now. And I get it. Like, apps suck, phones suck. We all feel like that. But I don't know if we're necessarily expressing our negative emotions in this particular way.

[Morty]

Yes, it does feel. She's just like this kind of avatar for some older person's idea of what Gen Z is. It's like, that's her whole character.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I know. I mean, I love that actress. Yeah, she's so hot.

[Carly Scortino]

I love her, too.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I like that actress, too. It makes me. Even though they give her crazy dialogue, that part of me is like, I kind of just wish the show was about her and what her life is. But when she, like, accidentally throws her phone over her shoulder and doesn't get it, the first thought I had was like, I don't watch shows like the Big Bang Theory or Modern Family, but for a reason. But when I watch it just like that, I'm constantly thinking, this is what I imagine those shows are like, where people do things like that, where they just don't act like regular people.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, I think Modern Family is a better show than that. But I will say that Charlotte's plot line in this episode. Very Modern Family.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah, very Modern Family. Or what I imagine it is.

[Carly Scortino]

Very Modern Family. But what do we think about Lisette's jewelry design? Because she gives Carrie a necklace with the address of her old apartment.

[Morty]

It's chunky.

[Carly Scortino]

Did you guys ever go to that indoor flea market in Williamsburg that used to happen.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I love that.

[Morty]

Hardest than fleas.

[Carly Scortino]

It's very that.

[Morty]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Carly Scortino]

It's very artisan fleece.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I guess so. Yeah. It does look. It's not very Carrie. I have a higher idea of artisan fleece than that necklace, to be honest.

[Carly Scortino]

I don't mean to shade artisan fleece, but there are several jewelry designers there that are upcycling vintage jewelry and making custom pieces, and I think that this speaks to that.

[Morty]

Yeah, it was a little clunky, though, I would say. And did Carrie actually wear it?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I don't think so. It kind of has, like, I found.

[Morty]

It, which feels like shade and maybe intentional, because you're right, it's not really a Carrie piece.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

No. It has, like, a found at the bottom of the sea vibe.

[Morty]

It's giving Ariel Little Mermaid.

[Carly Scortino]

It actually is really shady that she didn't just wear that in a later scene.

[Morty]

Yeah, no, truly. And it felt like it was the opening scene of the show. So I felt like, well, surely this necklace is going to be featured on Carrie later.

[Carly Scortino]

But no, no but no. So the next scene with Carrie, she's having a writing session in her very fabulous outdoor garden. Let's just play a clip of that scene.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sitting in the sunlight, the woman felt the fog of the last few nights left. She realized her recent tossing and turning and insecurities were remnants of another time. A time when she was less sure of her past. This is a new house, she reminded herself, a new life. This wasn't her past. It was the present. May 1846.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Oh, I know.

[Morty]

Oh, my God. When I watched this, I watched this with my sister. When the punchline of May 1846 lands, we lost our goddamn mind. It was such a jump scare.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah. I really can't believe that Carrie is writing historical fiction.

[Morty]

Why? She's never shown any interest in history.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I don't want to be too negative, but I would say that sometimes I just get so frustrated where I'm like, did the writers get together and think, like, everyone was frustrated with the end, just like, that's last year, as we know that they were, like, kind of a bit random and unsatisfying, like the PayPal joke, never forget or whatever. And then it's like, they're like, what could be more frustrating? Oh, we know. Let's bring back the voiceover and make it like 19th century gobbledygook that goes on forever. And literally, I rewound it to listen again. To be like, what? It's like, doesn't make any sense. It goes on forever. Word salad. And it doesn't have anything to do.

[Morty]

With the story as a novel list. I gotta say, it's not looking good. The style, the prose style. I'm not. I'm not necessarily impressed yet. Also, the woman. The woman. Give the woman a name.

[Carly Scortino]

I know the. The woman is currently unnamed. I wonder if she will ever have a name.

[Morty]

I. Can you imagine reading, like, a 400 page historical novel from Carrie Bradshaw where the woman is not named, it's just referred to as the woman. And it's like just a thinly veiled. Her going through her own house, her own preoccupied. Although I have to say, her lifestyle. I'm like, is so cushy now. She literally just wanders around in her giant pre war mansion and writes 25 words a day and calls it a day. I just like. What? You're just so rich.

[Carly Scortino]

I also like how she is literally Snow White in this scene with talking to the squirrel and shit, which. This bitch hates squirrels.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah, true.

[Carly Scortino]

Remember?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

True.

[Carly Scortino]

She hates a squirrel. She thinks it's a rat with a cuter outfit.

[Morty]

Yes. Oh, my God. What a betrayal of a cat. What a betrayal of her own character.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Well, she's a different person now.

[Morty]

She is. But, like, yeah. Saying hi to this quirrel, I'm like, get out of here.

[Carly Scortino]

Okay. But I did, like, when the rats came.

[Morty]

Yes, same.

[Carly Scortino]

She's interrupted by the rats. Something about this felt very John Waters to me. I guess it was the juxtaposition of, like, the Satin Margiela heels with the rats.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

But, yeah, apparently these rats were real. Some of the rats were real. Although I swear in the overhead shot, they were cgi.

[Morty]

They were giving cgi, imho.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I have no idea. But, like, is there, like, rat trainers? That there's, like, rat actors?

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, we found out that there was a rat trainer and these rats were professional actors.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Like, they get like a sag ray, like, background.

[Morty]

Oh, my God, that is hilarious.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

What. What did you think of the historical fiction as voiceover?

[Carly Scortino]

I guess it's a little closer to the column. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to think about the show or the voiceover because I don't know where it's going.

[Morty]

Yeah, agree.

[Carly Scortino]

And I'm still unclear about Carrie's kind of status in the literary world. You know what I mean? Like, how famous is she? Would something like this be well received? Is there an audience for it? I don't know. I'm just imagining if Candace Bushnell made a book like this, which she would never, ever do.

[Morty]

Never.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

There's also something about the fact, you know, personally working as a screenwriter and just, you know, interested in the way TV is written, that it's sort of an understood thing that we don't really want characters to change that much. In the way TV characters are, they're kind of always making the same mistakes. They. To the point that they evolve so much that the show is different because it's comforting to come back and have them always be ultimately the same. And Carrie is so different than the Carrie in the show that it's just disorienting to me.

[Morty]

Yeah. Again, what history. When was she ever? But I hope it is like a Hilary Mantel, like Wolf Hall. Just like, all of a sudden turns really brutally violent. And, like, the woman is just like, beheading people and getting dysentery. I don't know. Like, that would be fun. I'd be into that. Just really gothic and violent. But no, it's obviously gonna be cute and romantic.

[Carly Scortino]

I wish. We'll see. Maybe she'll murder Aiden.

[Morty]

Honestly, someone shall.

[Carly Scortino]

Truly. So she goes to call Aiden and tell him about her rat debacle, but I don't know, she, like, almost texts him, but then she deletes the text. It's sad seeing her be like this.

[Morty]

I agree.

[Carly Scortino]

You know, it's so kind of pathetic. It kind of is.

[Morty]

Well, yeah, because he broke the boundaries, I guess, first.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Right. But imagine if this was your friend. You're like, I'm dating someone. He told me not to talk to him for five years. And then he called me because this.

[Morty]

Kid gets in one car accident and he.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

And then we actually did talk, but during it, he shit his pants and then came. Should I text him?

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I'd be like, I honestly think you should move on.

[Morty]

Although I will say that table she chose was hideous. And I feel like if you send crazy texts, you get crazy answers. Like, that table was one of the worst tables I've ever seen. Like, it was so. It looked like it belonged in, like, a corporate headquarters of Petco or something. I don't know, like a conference table. I was like, what? What is this table? It did deserve a thumbs down, I thought.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah. And that was kind of the extent of Carrie's plot line with Aiden. Right. This episode, he just thumbs down the table. And then, I guess towards the end of the episode, we meet Carrie's gardener. Carrie's response to this rat infestation is to just destroy the entire garden.

[Morty]

No. It's so insane. But then also, I think she fires those gardeners or they leave or something. Cause then isn't. At the end of the episode, she has like a nuke. I don't know. It was so crazy, though.

[Carly Scortino]

No, those were like the rat killers that came in.

[Morty]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Carly Scortino]

And then she actually had a landscape architect come in at the end.

[Morty]

Yes. Who did? Liv Tyler's. Did he drop that name?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yes.

[Morty]

Yeah, yeah. Which is chic. Love.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

That is chic.

[Carly Scortino]

It is chic. And I like that we have context for, like, his career.

[Morty]

Yeah. And how much Carrie can afford. Which, I mean, we know she's obviously rich as hell, limitless, living in a gigantic pre war mansion, basically, but that's.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

On Gramercy Park, Right? It's supposed to be on the park.

[Carly Scortino]

On the park, yeah.

[Morty]

I mean, that must be at least $20 million property.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Is that in a studio?

[Carly Scortino]

I think so.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Okay.

[Carly Scortino]

I think so. Well, definitely the garden. The whole garden is like an indoor set, for sure.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Right. But the front of the house, I was like, is that actually filmed on the street?

[Carly Scortino]

I actually have no idea.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I was trying to figure it out because you could see cabs going in the background. You can see the whole street. But I'm like, would they pan to Gramercy park if they. If they were actually shooting outside?

[Carly Scortino]

One would think.

[Morty]

Yeah. One would think a Gramercy pan.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah. But we also have glossed over the fact that a big aspect of her character in this episode is we learn that she does talk to text.

[Carly Scortino]

True.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Which is very Boomer. And I do it sometimes too, but.

[Morty]

Yeah, you actually do it.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I know.

[Morty]

You did it. Literally, while we were waiting to come up, you texted. You talked to text Chelsea.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I know, but in a TV show, I'm like, do we need to hear so many commas and stuff? I think I'm like, this is the problem with the show where I'm like, I think this is supposed to be fun, but it's not funny.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, it's definitely supposed to be comedic, for sure. And it's definitely more conducive to television than her just typing on her phone and then showing that, you know, So I understand why they chose to do that. And, yes, I also voice text. I responded to your text with a voice text in the car.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I know. I hate.

[Morty]

So maybe it's not Boomer. Maybe it's Millennial.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I hate my phone.

[Morty]

Voice notes would be. Would be millennial. I'm surprised she's not just doing voice notes.

[Carly Scortino]

Voice notes is where it's at. And that's what she should have sent to Aiden, for sure.

[Morty]

Yeah.

[Carly Scortino]

Was anyone else concerned about the fact that Carrie was gonna poison her cat to death with this rat poison? Because multiple times in the episode, they established this cat goes outside.

[Morty]

No, I know. I was, like, waiting for the cat escape the whole episode. Cause it was like, we're really planting the fact that the. This cat goes outside. But, yes, I also. She's like. And she meets with the guy. She's like, all the worst fucking chemicals ever. And then her neighbor's like, are they organic? And I'm like, yeah, Carrie, what's wrong with, like, organic nut? Also, especially since your cat's gonna fucking die.

[Carly Scortino]

I know. So maybe they'll kill the Cat they could.

[Morty]

Maybe they'll kill the cat they killed Big As Megan. Thee stallion said, I'm surprised y' all didn't kill Samantha. So wild, so funny.

[Carly Scortino]

But, like, also with the garden. It's like she tore out the garden and she's replacing it with another garden. The problem wasn't with the particular design of that garden. It was the fact that there were places for rats to hide.

[Morty]

Yes. But actually, it did feel because she's turned into such a psycho rich lady who just writes 25 words a day and just flounces around her house, and her biggest problem is her alarm system. Like, it did actually read as realistic of just like, oh, my God, she has so much money that she can just completely destroy her entire garden because she freaks out about rats. And then rebuild it with Liv Tyler's landscape architecture product.

[Carly Scortino]

So what do we think about him?

[Morty]

Hot.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

He is hot. The whole band T shirt. I mean, I'm just being negative again, but it's like, no one says anything that I'm interested in. You know what I mean?

[Carly Scortino]

So rude.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Where it's like, okay, I don't know. I just felt like on the original show, which, I know it's bad to compare it, but it's like there was more, like, fun, flirty dialogue where you feel like this is a character or some kind of New York archetype, you know? And I'm like, that guy is totally cute. But I don't know. I didn't feel like there was a banter that I thought was, like, funny or interesting.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, I agree. I don't know if this is the man for her.

[Morty]

See, I'm just a gay guy. So I saw him, and I was like, wow, he is so fine. And immediately loved him and want him to absolutely replace Aiden Aesop. I was like, but also, I did think the band thing was weird. He literally catches the cat. And Carrie's like, what's that shirt mean? He's like, I can't tell you yet. And then, like, two seconds later, he's like, and here's my band trauma backstory. And you're just like, I thought you were saving. It felt like too soon to reveal something that he said was a secret.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

And not a big reveal enough. Cause I was like, I knew that that was gonna happen. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know.

[Morty]

Oh, but he's so sexy. I appreciate him. I'm so over Ada. I'm just like, yeah, we need, like, a new crush. Honestly, I'm confused. I understand why? Carrie's confused. They have genuinely done a great job of creating a very confusing situation between the two of them. It's like he shows up, doesn't tell her he's showing up. I'm like, people have plans.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, I completely forgot about that until you mentioned it. Right. Aiden was in this episode. Yeah, yeah.

[Morty]

No, he just shows up out of the blue and just also expects her to, like, not have plans. But then again, I don't think she does. She just wanders around her mansion and types 25 words a day. She doesn't have anything to do. I guess, but still, I was like, that felt presumptuous.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, I agree. And that was so brief because it's like we see them have their little, like, Home Alone style screaming moment in the closet, and then they fuck. Which we don't see.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

And then he's gone.

[Morty]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

But she does say to him, hey, I'm confused. Like, what are the boundaries? And are we gonna talk or not? And he's like, I guess I kind of maybe overreacted a little bit or was a little extreme with the I can't talk for five years. Which I think made all of us nod our heads and say yes. True. Like, you don't have to stare at your kid 24 hours a day for five years. Right. I mean, I don't have kids, but it seems like a lot.

[Carly Scortino]

It seems like that might be unhealthy for the kid.

[Morty]

Yeah, that kid's gonna be fucked up.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Well, they're sleeping the same bed.

[Morty]

Yeah.

[Carly Scortino]

So creepy.

[Morty]

Touch me how you. Or touch yourself how you like to be touched or whatever.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I don't think that's that bad.

[Morty]

It wasn't sexy.

[Carly Scortino]

It's not bad. Like, there's nothing about the words that are bad. It's the way they were said. That again, is giving uncle.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

You know, drunk uncle with no boundaries who should stand when he's wasted.

[Carly Scortino]

Okay, so moving on to Miranda. She didn't have a whole lot to do in this episode other than get.

[Morty]

Obsessed with that reality show, which. Bye. Bingo. Sounds like something I absolutely would watch.

[Carly Scortino]

Oh, for sure. And it's consistent with Miranda's history of loving trashy shit, trashy tabloids, trashy TV shows.

[Morty]

And then there was the bold move of her hitting on the tableside guac girl. The tableside guac girl said something about hotness or something. And Miranda was like, you're hot. Like. Or, I don't know, something so on the nose. And it also did not land, which I did love, but I Thought the tableside guac girl moment was kind of funny.

[Carly Scortino]

Oh, for sure. It's again, it feels in keeping with Miranda and her various dating humiliations.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

I'm proud of her for hitting on the tableside guac girl because I do think that she was leading Miranda on a little bit.

[Morty]

Oh, a thousand percent. She was definitely flirting.

[Carly Scortino]

Like, when she says we should be on that show, at the very least it suggests I am bisexual.

[Morty]

Yes, I fully agree.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

True.

[Carly Scortino]

Not that that's like, necessarily means like, I'm single or I'm available or I'm down to fuck, but still, by bingo.

[Morty]

Yes, it was giving flirty. And I do like Miranda coming back into, like, I just like dating storylines. I do love, like, I think Miranda's had the strongest season so far, imho. But what I will say for Carrie and Miranda to be such a fucking bitch to Rosie last week about her, like, choice of, like, Tavern on the Green and being such a tourist. They're basically showing up at like a Rosa Mexicana and, like, having tableside guac. I'm like, who has? The last time I had tableside guac was like, in 2010. Like, do you know what I mean?

[Carly Scortino]

Truly, like, in Times Square. Yeah.

[Morty]

I am like, how dare you drag Rosie.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Shame.

[Morty]

Yeah, I am like, you're having, having tableside guac in 2025. That is unacceptable. You have no leg to stand on. Justice for the Virgin Mary. Like, I really was pissed about that. Also, she was making tableside guac with a pink spatula. I was like, it's mortar and pestle.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Wow.

[Morty]

Dirty pink spatula.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Details.

[Morty]

Disgusting. Sorry, that really grossed me out.

[Carly Scortino]

No, it's true. You're right. It is not a spatula sort of thing. It's crazy. She's crazy for that, crazy for that.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

But I agree. I liked Miranda's plotline. I loved the Rosie plot line. It's just feels like what we want from the show. I love the flirty BBC woman.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I also just love watching Cynthia like Miranda this season, I feel like has come back down to earth.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

And I like her level of acting. Like sometimes on the this and just like that, it feels like everyone's acting is dialed up to like a 13 out of 10.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Except Sarah Jessica, who sometimes feels like is on life support and Miranda feels like she's acting at the right level.

[Morty]

Yes, I agree.

[Carly Scortino]

I agree. I also think that Cynthia has watched the show more recently. Like, watched Sex and the City based on some of her recent interviews, which we will get into on our post. Show. And just after that. But anyway, Charlotte and ltw. So I love Charlotte and ltw, but this plot line was a little bit hard for me. It is about the college admissions consultant Lois Fingerhood, dubbed the Harvard Whisperer. And LTW and Charlotte are initially horrified when they realize that other moms at the school are hiring this woman because it goes against the rule. But then they quickly are like, you know what? Fuck it.

[Morty]

It is so cringe. And also, the show has such a blind spot when it comes to class, I think. But Charlotte and LTW both behave in such a pathetic way. They're, like, dropping their entire lives. Like, LTW is like, in the middle of an edit day on her, like, documentary about unsung black sheroes. I'm like, what documentary director ever is just dropping a full blown edit day from their budget to chase after in kooky outfits like their son because they got a college. It just is so. It's so cringe. And they just feel they're both so pathetic, just, like, running around desperately chasing their children to, like, get them to go to this, like, college counselor. I don't know. I was like, cut it out.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, it's pretty wild. And for those of you who haven't watched the episode and are just listening to this recap, basically Charlotte and LTW were like, we have to hire this, this consultant for our children. And to do that, we have to stalk her at her child's Little League game and convince her to, like, take our kids on as clients. And then she says yes. And then for some reason, both of them rush to their kids, even though the appointment isn't that day. It's like later in the week. And they're like, both running, like, flailing their arms, being like, guess what? You have this appointment with Lois Fingerhood. It's like, what? No, she's running onto the lacrosse field.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Getting, like, hit with the ball. This plotline and a lot of the Charlotte plotlines, this is when the tone of the show starts to be incongruous with the rest of the show. Like, this is the sitcom version where LTW is like, running onto the field, like, getting hit with a ball. And it's like suddenly this slapstick, super broad comedy that feels disorienting. Right. And, like, the music is almost like reality TV show music.

[Morty]

I'm getting hit by balls. Yeah. It's like, what show is this?

[Carly Scortino]

Well, yeah, it's more like a network television show, I think.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah, exactly.

[Morty]

Yeah. But it's so confusing. I was so. Yeah, I was not Having the college admissions.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I just don't want the kids at all. It's annoying that I guess we're gonna have a whole other year of them because they're only juniors and.

[Morty]

Oh, God.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I'm not trying to be mean, although I am, but it's like Lily's acting is so wild. It is dialed up to 10,000. It's a different show.

[Carly Scortino]

Yes. Like the scenes where the kids had just met with. Who's this bitch's name? Lois Fingerhood.

[Morty]

They eventually call her Finger Fuck. You're like, this was a name chosen for the ultimate, ultimate pun that would wind up at the end of the episode, which I think is Finger Fuck.

[Carly Scortino]

But you're right. Lily was so dialed up in that scene to a level that was, like, absolutely insane. Yes.

[Morty]

Breathing into bags. It's not really her fault. I feel like it's the direction, but it was like, breathing into a bag. Like, it was so over the top. But also, like, Lily looks 27 years old. I, like, forgot she was.

[Carly Scortino]

She's 29.

[Morty]

Oh, in real life?

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah.

[Morty]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, there you go. So she was playing piano as like, wait, college. Is she just like. I was like, this moment where I was like, wait, she's an adult who has a job Being a communist at a ballet. I was like, wait, what? Where are we? Also, her gay boyfriend. Like, can we just say, like, after she went to the Met and there were, like, two people in the audience for some inexplicable reason. I can't believe it.

[Carly Scortino]

Well, it was like a rehearsal for friends and family.

[Morty]

Yeah. It's like, we can't pay extras, but it was like, so I don't know. And her making out with him in the hallway and Charlotte interrupting in this way. I was just like, idk the character.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

It's just like she's always having a meltdown. It's like she gets her period and it's like World War 3 and then she needs a condom and the world ends because she has a condom. And then it's like she has to rewrite her college admissions essay to not include that she's adopted. Which I guess is like, some kind of Trump reaction or to privilege or something. I don't know. But then it's like she's hyperventilating into a paper bag, and it's like, well, where did that paper bag come from? Completely random. But why is she always having a meltdown? And they're always catering to her meltdowns. I just want that character to have not exist or go to college. Yeah, go to college.

[Morty]

For the love of God. Early, early admission.

[Carly Scortino]

Also, I just want to briefly touch upon the fact that there was a scene where Charlotte and LTW visited the dean of their kids school. And there was like a very casual.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Active shooter joke that threw me so hard.

[Carly Scortino]

Pepper in there.

[Morty]

That's crazy.

[Carly Scortino]

It was just interesting to me because I feel like the show is very conscious of being quite politically correct.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

And I thought that that was just a surprising choice. Which is not to say I'm super offended by it. I definitely did get some calls from teachers on the hotline that were quite offended by it, which I completely understand. But it was just something I did not expect to see on end. Just like that.

[Morty]

Well, I do feel like there are blind spots in terms of like class and privilege. And then I just feel like sometimes there will be. Yeah. Something like the school shooter joke, which is so wild. It's giving like Michael Patrick King just being like, ah, whatever. Like I don't know, like I feel like the. I don't know, like it is so out of left field that it. I don't know. I don't think that that particular plane landed.

[Carly Scortino]

It's interesting cause it is one of those things that like would not be a reference on Sex in the City because it speaks much more to the time that we're living in now. And it is something that is much more current. It's weird to see end just like that reference. Current things that are so deeply dark.

[Morty]

Yes. And like I feel like the original show never. I mean, yes, it had like edgy humor, certainly, but it was never like dark like quote unquote, edgy humor. I don't know, like they were never.

[Carly Scortino]

It was kind of. I mean, I think Carrie initially was much more dry and much more like Dorothy Parker, you know, initially. And that kind of dissipated a little bit as the series progressed.

[Morty]

But I don't know, they never made any. I mean the jokes always landed back in the day.

[Carly Scortino]

I would say this one that is true.

[Morty]

Didn't land.

[Carly Scortino]

So who else do we have to talk about? Seema. She is dating. We got a pretty fun montage of a bunch of her dates. Very efficient storytelling. Although she's so mean to all of them.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

That's what I was wondering. I was like, is this supposed to be. I mean, okay, I was excited that we got a dating plotline. I was excited about the Matchmaker. But that montage where she's hate dating. I couldn't tell if it was meant to be. Like she was empowered and she was right for dumping all these guys or that she's just being mean or is it like not taking a side?

[Carly Scortino]

I think it was supposed to be very like, you go, girl. But it came off as being kind of mean.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yes, for sure.

[Morty]

Agreed.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I was like, you are really judgmental and making assumptions about people and are like, really jaded. But I still enjoyed it. But I was like, I think that what it thinks it is, it isn't.

[Morty]

Yeah. Because at the end, the storyline, she ends in a very you go girl empowered, I'm being myself type of way. But it's like, idk, you are kind of rude to. You're not even really giving any of these dudes a chance. But I think the idea is she's quote unquote right about each and every single one. So we're supposed to sympathize with her, but yeah, it's just kind of like you're being kind of rude.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah, but she might be a psychic.

[Morty]

She might be a psychic based on.

[Carly Scortino]

Her scarily accurate reads of these guys.

[Morty]

No, that's true. But there's also Sheri Oteri, which.

[Carly Scortino]

So good.

[Morty]

Loved seeing her.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Me too.

[Morty]

Sheri. I wanted the Sheri Oteri matchmaker spinoff. Honestly, it was kind of giving Patty Stanger vibes that I really appreciated.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yeah. It was like, change your whole personality.

[Morty]

Yeah.

[Carly Scortino]

Yes, I agree. She was so good. For those of you who haven't watched the ep, she was Seema's matchmaker. They had a lovely lunch date where she's basically like, like, don't dress like you usually dress. Which is crazy because I feel like the way Seema dresses is the most, like, male gaze.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

Way a person could dress.

[Morty]

Agree. You know, I feel like that's her whole character. She's the Samantha replacement.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah.

[Morty]

So it's like, it's very. Toots out. Sexy.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

She's so. I mean, that actress really has like, some of the craziest sex appeal ever.

[Morty]

She's stunning.

[Carly Scortino]

She really is.

[Morty]

But Sherry was. Sheri also randomly guesses Seema's very specific lung order. Speaking of psychics, they're both psychic in this way. I'm like, wait, what? And Seema's like, yeah, you got it. But it's like avocado on the side. Like, it's like so bizarre.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

When she came on in that scene, though, I was really excited. I was like, this seems like it could be a really funny plotline, like getting this rich, millionaire matchmaker esque matchmaker on. But then I was disappointed that it didn't really go anywhere. Like, it ended already. But the thing that I felt like that Matchmaker was so wrong about was it's like, change your look, wear pastels. Like, your clothes alienate people. Which I agree with you that I actually think that it's, you know, she's really sexy, but it's like, what she actually needs to do is to go to therapy. I think about her. I don't think she needs to wear, like, florals. And then they go. She goes on this date that I think ostensibly is supposed to be that seema fucked up, but it's like, that guy seemed like he sucked. He didn't ask her a single question. At the end of the day, he's like, oops, I only talked about myself. I never asked you anything. Which as a straight woman dating, I will tell you that is every date, men don't ask questions. And then when she was honest about herself, he left. And the matchmaker's like, you fucked up. Like, you lost your opportunity. He's gone. And it's like, well, why would she want to date a guy who's like, a narcissist who she has to change her whole wardrobe for? This is like.

[Morty]

Like, precisely.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

He sucks.

[Morty]

So it did end, but I feel like we were supposed to feel like she got empowered by the end, right?

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Or. I don't know.

[Morty]

But it was very Patty Stanger to, like, also be hiding in the wings watching the date. And then, like, there are literal episodes of Millionaire Matchmaker where Batty hides out and then critiques the dates.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

That's good.

[Morty]

So it did feel like someone was rewatching Old school Millionaire Matchmaker, which I did appreciate. Again, Give Sheri a spin off. I would watch the the Sherry o' Terry Matchmaker Show.

[Carly Scortino]

Me too. I think she was the best part of this episode.

[Morty]

Agree.

[Carly Scortino]

By far. So the only person we haven't talked about is Anthony, who has finally opened his store. Hot Fellas is now a brick and mortar business. Thank God.

[Morty]

Yeah. I mean, it was so random. It was just like, that was it. It's like I opened a brick and mortar and then it was like, okay, great. And then seen from again. But clearly the brick and mortar is gonna come into play. I am a gay slut, but I do think there is an overemphasis on baguettes. I'm just like.

[Carly Scortino]

I liked the baguette door handle.

[Morty]

No, I like the baguette door handle. I thought it was cute. But I also think there's just so many dick jokes. It's like, we get it? They're hot guys and they sell bread. Like, it does feel. I feel ready for some. Some new jokes in this arena.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I just always feel like it's such a relief when he comes on screen. He's my favorite character. He's so funny. He's always good for me.

[Carly Scortino]

I agree. He's my favorite character too. Like, when he was talking about his crotch height counter, it was like, I'm a genius. I was like, it was nice to see someone express, like, genuine joy.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

I was proud of him.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

He still is kind of bitchy and kind of old school, which I think we need. And. And I'm excited to see wherever this takes us. I guess this could potentially replace the diner.

[Morty]

Yes.

[Carly Scortino]

Which has never been replaced from Sex and the City.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I mean, you're never gonna get that. You're never gonna get that.

[Morty]

I am curious about the quality of the bread. I wonder what kind of bakery.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Like Bubs and Grandma's?

[Morty]

Yeah. Is it giving like Bub and Grandma's? I think it's actually not that chic. I don't know. I think it's a little more mass produced. I think he's aiming for, like, franchise versus, like, chic indie cunt bread.

[Carly Scortino]

No, it's definitely not Bub and Graham. Sorry. Very specific Los Angeles bread reference.

[Morty]

The best bread if you're ever. Best bread. Best bread.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah.

[Morty]

No, he's aiming for franchise, not chic indie bakery.

[Carly Scortino]

So I think we need to talk about one last thing with this episode, which is that there was no and just like that in this episode. In the previous episodes, it did not come at the end, but they slipped it into Carrie's dialogue. This episode, nothing.

[Morty]

It's very disorienting. I'm like, we gotta pick a rule and stick to it. I thought, okay, we're planting it in dialogue now, and it's just gonna pop up near ish the end of an episode, and someone's gonna say it. But then in this episode, there wasn't any. And I'm just like. I feel like in episode three, I don't know, there probably will be. In voiceover, I'm just like. You know what I mean? I just pick a rule.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

I know you can tell that they know certain things aren't working because they change up big formatting things in every season, you know? And I do think that there being less characters makes the show better, for sure. But I wonder why they decided to take that out. Like, there's no consistency. The show is inherently disorienting. Not only from season to season, but from scene to scene in terms of the tone.

[Carly Scortino]

Yeah. I wonder if they just got sick of writing the end. Just like that's themselves. Because even just based on the past couple of seasons, like some of them were good and others were like cries for help. They're like, what do we do? Maybe they were just like, honestly, I can't do it again.

[Morty]

I kind of. It's part of like, I love it. I wish they were coming because I do when they are cries for help, they're so Jen Law. It's kind of like a. Do you know what I mean? And like I actually love. I love, I love kind of like waiting for like the. Oh, here's the. And just like that, like, I don't know. I do think there's something kind of fun and campy about them. Not necessarily good, but I do enjoy them. I find them pleasurable.

[Carly Scortino]

I enjoy them too. And I miss them now that they're gone.

[Morty]

Yeah, for sure.

[Carly Scortino]

So Carly and Jonathan will be joining us on and just after that our post show. But before we leave, Jonathan has a new book that is out. Jonathan, can you plug your fabulous new book?

[Morty]

Yes, I can. My fabulous new book is called it's not the end of the world. It is where out now, wherever books are sold. It Takes place in 2044 in Los Angeles and it is about a wealthy gay couple that refused to cancel their baby shower even at a potentially apocalyptic event sweeps through Los Angeles. So it's terrifying and campy and yeah, just like me.

[Carly Scortino]

Well, congratulations. I cannot wait to read it. I will link to it in our show notes as well as I'll put your guys Instagram in there. Also, Carly, do you wanna promote anything? Do you have anything to promote?

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

No.

[Carly Scortino]

Well, you are always fabulous. Thank you guys so much for joining me today. This meant the world world to me.

[Morty]

It's a true bucket list pod.

[Carly Scortino]

I know.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

The only thing I'm sad about is that I want to listen to you guys complain about the episode now. I can't.

[Carly Scortino]

Oh, sorry. Well, I'm sure we can get Lauren's thoughts from the hospital soon.

[Morty]

Yes, I'm sure that's the most important thing on her to do list right now.

[Lauren]

Oh, you thought a little thing like unexpectedly going into labor was going to keep me from giving my thoughts on and just like that, that you guys know me better. Okay, what did I think about this episode? Loved seeing Carrie and Lisette. Her outfit, her meditations on modern dating. I wanted to stay with Lizette for the next 40 minutes. I think having a baby made me forget about the Aiden Carrie stuff, but I'm sure I wasn't happy about that. Honestly. All right, I gotta get this out before the baby starts crying. Here are my two other thoughts about this episode. I don't think Seema deserves happiness. I'm sorry. I would love for her to be the Samantha avatar we want her to be, but she has to stop being such a bummer about dating. Also, Miranda was not in the wrong for thinking that guacamole lady might be gay. I'm on her side. Also would watch by Bingo Alright, I'll be back next week with more in Just like that thoughts from the new newborn trenches. What could go wrong?

[Carly Scortino]

All right guys, I will be back next week. Thank you for listening as always.

[Jonathan Parks Ramage]

Bye bye.