226: On And Just Like That: Apples to Apples (Feat. Tatiana Waterford)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Every Outfit – Episode 226: "On And Just Like That: Apples to Apples" (Feat. Tatiana Waterford)
Release Date: June 21, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 226 of Every Outfit, hosts Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garroni delve deep into the latest installment of the revitalized Sex and the City spinoff, On And Just Like That, focusing on the episode titled "Apples to Apples," written and directed by Daddy Mpk. Joined by guest Tatiana Waterford, the trio navigates through the intricate plotlines, character developments, and thematic elements that define this episode.

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Episode Recap: "Apples to Apples"

The episode marks the continuation of Carrie Bradshaw’s tumultuous relationship with Aiden, set against the backdrop of his family dynamics in Virginia.

• Carrie's Struggles in Virginia:
  "Carrie wakes up in the guest house still clad in her ridiculous pink dress and heels from the previous day" (02:05).

  The hosts highlight Carrie's stranded predicament after her rental car is towed, leaving her with limited wardrobe options. This scenario underscores her discomfort and attempts to adapt to her temporary locale.

• Aiden's Parenting Challenges:
  "Aiden has banished her to the guest house because of a family rule that she would be here the night before" (03:34).

  Aiden's strict parenting style is scrutinized as he grapples with managing his troubled son, Wyatt, whose disruptive behavior becomes a central plot point.

• Wyatt's Meltdown:
  "Wyatt continues to be a terrible vibe and doesn't want to do anything" (10:02).
  The episode portrays Wyatt’s tantrum during a game of Apples to Apples, reflecting his ongoing behavioral issues and the strain they place on the family.

• Aiden and Kathy's Marriage:
  "Aiden's reasoning of why he gave a thumbs down was... inappropriate" (06:38).

  Chelsea and Morty criticize Aiden's dismissive attitude towards Kathy's suggestion of using Adderall for Wyatt, arguing that his lack of support exacerbates the situation.

• Carrie and Aiden's Relationship:
  "Now they are as ill defined as before" (22:19).
  The hosts observe that despite the tensions, Carrie and Aiden's relationship remains unresolved, leaving their future ambiguous.

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Character Storylines and Developments

The Goldenblatt Family and New Relationships

• Introduction of Marilyn from 10F:
  "Marilyn from 10F is played by Annie Golden, an OG New York theater person" (24:26).
  The episode introduces Marilyn, adding complexity to the Goldenblatt family's dynamic as Pop Pop introduces her to the family.

• Diego's Polyamorous Relationship:
  "Diego reveals that he is a ballet dancer and Pop Pop is like back in my day, ballet dancers had boyfriends" (25:16).
  Diego's involvement introduces themes of polyamory, challenging traditional relationship norms within the family.

Miranda's Viral Moment

• "Wild Cunt" Incident:
  "She accidentally has a viral moment when she tries to say 'wild countryside' but it comes out as 'wild cunt'" (33:13).
  Miranda grapples with the repercussions of her accidental misstep, leading to awkwardness and reflections on personal identity in the digital age.

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Listener Call-Ins and Host Responses

Relationship and Personal Advice

• Botox Dilemma:
  Caller: "Should I respect my husband's aversion to me getting Botox, or proceed regardless?" (42:02)
  Lauren: "Bitch. Go and get Botox immediately. He will not notice." (42:50)
  Chelsea: "You could tell him or just ignore his concerns and go for it anyway." (43:00)

  The hosts advocate for personal autonomy, encouraging the caller to pursue her desires despite her husband's reservations.

• Queer Identity Concerns:
  Caller: "A queer-identifying woman has only dated cis men and gets upset when her queerness is challenged. Why?" (58:20)
  Lauren: "It's frustrating and feels like she's claiming a label without the experience." (59:17)
  Chelsea: "If you're a queer woman in an opposite-sex relationship, it sounds more like a performance than genuine identity." (59:46)

  The hosts critique performative aspects of queer identity, emphasizing authenticity and lived experience.

Fashion and Styling Tips

• Wedding Shoes on Grass:
  Caller: "Desperately needs wedding shoes for grass setting." (89:11)
  Lauren: "Maybe use detachable grass stoppers or choose flat shoes for practicality." (89:51)
  Chelsea: "Alternatively, stand on something solid or follow Rihanna's heel prowess." (90:04)

  Offering practical solutions, the hosts balance style with functionality for unconventional wedding venues.

• Styling the Baby:
  Caller: "How to style Lauren's new baby?" (86:36)
  Chelsea: "We have plenty of baby clothing, including designer pieces like an Adidas tracksuit." (86:36)
  Lauren: "Our baby Morty has a cute Adidas outfit and a Summit Ice onesie." (87:17)

  Sharing their personal experiences, the hosts provide insights into stylish yet practical baby attire.

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Hosts' Personal Stories and Anecdotes

Chelsea and Lauren's Relationship Journey

• Meeting and Long-Distance Challenges:
  Both hosts recount their unique path to marriage, highlighting the complexities of a long-distance relationship influenced by immigration hurdles.

  "We met in 2014 when I was working at V Files because I hired her as my intern... We started dating almost three years later." (75:06)

  "I followed my heart for love and looked where it got me—married to Chelsea." (74:29)

• Overcoming Immigration Obstacles:
  The couple discusses the stress and resilience required to navigate visa processes, ultimately marrying in New Zealand due to legal constraints in Australia.

  "We had to get married in New Zealand because same-sex marriage wasn't legal in Australia yet." (75:21)

• Styling Influence:
  Chelsea acknowledges Lauren's impact on her fashion choices, embracing more diverse and designer pieces from Lauren's wardrobe.

  "I'm wearing some of your clothes that I would never otherwise buy... Like Tat has a Loewe baseball jacket." (78:03)

Personal Fashion Challenges

• Sleepwalking Incident:
  Lauren shares a traumatic experience of sleepwalking and inadvertently disrobing in a hotel hallway, highlighting the unforeseen stresses of their lifestyle.

  "I woke up standing naked in the hallway of the hotel, knocking on the security guard's door." (81:01)

• Fashion Philosophy and Trends:
  The hosts discuss their views on fashion trends, logo utilization, and the pitfalls of being a "fashion victim," advocating for coherent and brand-consistent styling.

  "The moral of the story is don't take advice from us. Wear whatever you want to wear." (84:57)

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Conclusion

Episode 226 of Every Outfit offers a rich tapestry of discussions ranging from deep dives into On And Just Like That’s latest episode to personal anecdotes and listener interactions. Chelsea, Lauren, and Tatiana provide insightful critiques on character developments, relationship dynamics, and fashion trends, all while maintaining their signature witty and candid dialogue. Whether dissecting the complexities of Carrie's life in Virginia or offering heartfelt advice to listeners, the hosts ensure that every topic is thoroughly explored with humor and authenticity.

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Notable Quotes

• "Carrie sort of staggers out of the guest house..." — Chelsea Fairless (00:17)

• "Wyatt is the scariest child I have ever seen..." — Chelsea Fairless (03:55)

• "Aiden's way of treating Wyatt is only making the situation worse." — Morty (18:22)

• "Miranda accidentally has a viral moment... 'wild cunt'." — Morty (33:13)

• "Bitch. Go and get Botox immediately." — Lauren (42:50)

• "This woman sounds like a poser." — Chelsea Fairless (59:46)

• "Marry your interns. No, I'm just kidding." — Chelsea Fairless (75:06)

• "Let me put up a photo on Patreon so you guys can see what this woman looks like." — Chelsea Fairless (63:10)

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of Episode 226, providing listeners and non-listeners alike with valuable insights into the show's content, tone, and key discussions.

Transcript

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[Morty]

I spent $40,000 on shoes.

[Tatiana Waterford]

What's the matter, Morty?

[Lauren]

Braid Gowns.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Beautiful gowns. Fashion has changed. No it hasn't. Hi, my name is Chelsea Fairless. Lauren is still on maternity leave, but thankfully we recorded a recap of episode four before she popped out a child. And stay tuned after that because my wife Tatiana Waterford is here and we are going to answer calls from the hotline.

[Morty]

So we are back to discuss episode four, Apples to Apples Written and directed by Daddy Mpk. This is the first episode, apart from episode one that Daddy Mpk has written and I don't know if you noticed on our Patreon, but someone did comment that maybe we should strip Daddy Mpk of the Daddy title.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's so rude. Why would we do that?

[Morty]

I guess it is this fuckettes belief that the quality of season three deserves a stripping of the Daddy title.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I think this was a pretty good episode. Shit went down in this episode. And I think it's interesting that he chose to write and direct this one because he clearly wanted to live out this Virginia fantasy, which wasn't even really about getting out of New York. It was more like going back in time.

[Morty]

Oh, because of Carrie's sister. W Look throughout the episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Like it feels very disconnected from the present day.

[Morty]

Well, yes, and we should say Virginia, which is clearly upstate New York.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So Carrie wakes up in the guest house.

[Morty]

If you'll remember, last week, she was banished to the guest house.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She is still in the pink dress and the heels and the cardigan from the previous day.

[Morty]

Well, because when their rental car got towed, the few items she had were taken with that rental car. So she is left with this ridiculous pink dress and heels. And I mean ridiculous in the most positive way.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So she sort of staggers out of the guest house and.

[Morty]

Well, okay. Aiden has banished her to the guest house because of a family rule that he has not introduced, that Carrie would be here the night before. But she is woken up by Wyatt being kind of a sex pest. I'm sorry, but he's, like, doing a peeping Tom thing. Aiden's like, she's sleeping. He. He looks through the mirror and he's like, no, she's not. She's awake now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Wyatt is the scariest child I have ever seen, and I just want to make the point that he looks like every single Hansen brother combined into one.

[Morty]

While Wyatt does suck, although we had a feeling he would be from how he was mentioned in season two. Gotta say, Homer beating those middle child charges. He seems like a delight.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He does. He also looks a little handsome. Y. They definitely look related, these brothers. They did a very, very good job of casting realistic children for Aiden.

[Morty]

Yeah, children that not only look like siblings to each other, but would be the children of John Corbett and Rosemary DeWitt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Carrie needs new clothes.

[Morty]

And a shower.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And a shower.

[Morty]

Did you clock the speed stick reference?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God. I didn't. I didn't. But now that you mention it, that is a callback.

[Morty]

Carrie doesn't need a shower. She just needs to use one of Aiden's six speed stick deodorant. Sc remembering season four, the good fight correctly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Carrie's like, is there a Target around here? Fair question. I would ask the same thing.

[Morty]

Yeah, she can yokel with the best of them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But then she reveals that her favorite swimsuit is from Target. That I do not believe. I don't believe that for a second.

[Morty]

I think she's trying to impress Wyatt and Homer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Her favorite swimsuit is from Eras, and I will have it no other way.

[Morty]

Well, they are so far out in the boonies that the closest target is an hour away. To which Carrie's like, isn't there some, I don't know, fabulous small dress shop? And turns out there is Daisy's dress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shop, which Aiden can't drive Carrie a mile to Daisy's dress shop because Wyatt will be on his Nintendo Switch.

[Morty]

But no worries. There's an ATV that Carrie can drive, which I thought clearly we were ramping up to some comedic bit, like she was going to go off course. But it's like, no, she drives the atv. Great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She gets there, she buys some dresses that frankly look like that she would already wear. Maybe not sex in the city era Carrie, but. And just like that era Carrie certainly would not be above a batsheva adjacent prairie dress.

[Morty]

This is very true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Carrie and Aiden fuck, but we don't see it. Thank God we haven't seen them have sex this season yet. Apart from the phone sex.

[Morty]

The phone sex gone wrong. No. Carrie and Eden's sexuality, unlike Carrie and big sexuality, is for the post coital moments.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Morty]

It's foreplay. It's post coital and that is it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And in this post coital moment, Aiden is like, can you hang out with the kids? Sure. And Carrie also brings up the table, the first dibs table.

[Morty]

If you had asked me in episode two that we were gonna have to wait two episodes for the conclusion to the first dibs emoji text debacle, I wouldn't have believed you. So Aiden's reasoning of why he gave a thumbs down was. Huh. I just thought it would be easier, you know, you wanted an immediate response, which I'm now starting to see why his and Kathy's marriage didn't last. Because if your significant other sends you an impassioned two paragraph text, I think anyone can understand that it is inappropriate just to send back a thumbs down emoji.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. But it is a bit of a tricky situation just because obviously Aiden is a furniture designer, so he would care more than the average person about this. But I'm on Aiden's side. I do not think that this is the right table for her apartment. Because it's a mid century table. It's beautiful. It's not that I don't think it's a beautiful design object. I do. I just feel like she should either go more traditional with the table and sort of lean into the look of her apartment, or go more opposite and get something that is like really, really different. Like if I had that apartment, I would be going for a 2001 A Space Odyssey kind of vibe.

[Morty]

See, that would be very cool. We don't know if Aiden currently designs furniture anymore. We know from last season that he had some kind of diffusion line for West Elm or West Elm bought his furniture. But what Aiden should be doing is bringing a table from Virginia to New York to the Gramercy Townhouse.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's generous that he opted to not do that. We've all seen the one chair, and we've seen the bench for Charlotte and Trey. I don't think we need that sort of look in Carrie's Gramercy park apartment.

[Morty]

Very fair. But he immediately drops his hatred for the table when she explains her reasoning as to why she wants to get the table. He's like, oh, okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's also like, girl, buy the table. Live your life. You have to live your life for the next five years. Are you gonna text him about every single thing you're buying for this apartment?

[Morty]

Well, not after this texting debacle, no. We also haven't gotten into how he is able to get away from his children for an hour. This is his swimming hour, which Carrie's like, that's an interesting lie. And he's like, it's not a lie. I swim every day in the pond.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, I get that Wyatt is a troubled kid, and Aiden does have to be a very present and active parent, but I also don't think this helicopter parenting strategy is working. Like, if he can't take Carrie to the dress shop, it's not as if he's home alone, like, playing violent video games and masturbating to sinister porn like his brother was there.

[Morty]

Sorry, are you just remembering one particular SC from We need to talk about Kevin?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, but Wyatt is giving we need to talk about Kevin.

[Morty]

Well, also, Aiden is trying to. And maybe this is a sign of things to come throughout the episode of how out of his depth Aiden is, because he does give the impression of, like, I must be on top of him 247 because he's a fire starter, but really, it's like, I can't even let him on his Nintendo Switch for five minutes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, this whole situation is a lot.

[Morty]

So they must do offline things, like fishing. Carrie is in another one of her Little House on the Prairie dresses, which is when she dubs herself Little House on the Carry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I did love that. That's a classic pun. Yeah, very fitting. I like how we're supposed to think that she looks crazy in this dress when in the first episode of season three, we see her in that insane gingham hat. It's like, babes, this is far from the craziest thing we've seen you in lately.

[Morty]

Yeah, I mean, I was trying to think of, like, what is the craziest thing we've seen Carrie wear in the run of end. Just like that. And I guess it would be that bizarre Bag lady outfit with the dishwashing plastic gloves when she's trying to smoke and not get the smoke on her clothing. But even that feels like in the realm of Carrie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that actually ended up looking quite cool.

[Morty]

So Wyatt continues to be a terrible vibe and doesn't want to do anything. Which, to be fair, I wouldn't want to fish either.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, fishing with Carrie Bradshaw. Hard pass. And this is where we get the end. Just like that. And just like that, I'm fishing.

[Morty]

Oh, that's right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yep.

[Morty]

How could I forget?

[Chelsea Fairless]

And just like that is back, baby.

[Morty]

All right. But I did write my own. In just like that, Carrie runs. Runs. I mean, she's in her crazy heels, right? Sort of waddles into Aiden's garage and is like, I've got these boys to like me. Finally, we're going to a VR place in the mall.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And he's like, absolutely a bummer having Aiden as a dad.

[Morty]

Wait, are we on Wyatt's side?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So they go to the VR place.

[Morty]

And they hunt zombies. Something I truly didn't have on my end. Just like that season three bingo card.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But Wyatt accidentally hits Carrie in the head with his fake gun. Or was it an accident? What do you think?

[Morty]

I think it was.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it was an accident. But, like, he should have said, like, I'm sorry or something like that. Although, to be fair, like, teenage boys like that in their awkward stage don't necessarily have the manners or, like, know when to speak up.

[Morty]

Oh, I mean, Wyatt's speaking up always. If Wyatt's doing one thing, he's talking about how it isn't his fault and everything is unfair. But for those who are not watching the show, we do see what it looks like in the VR world. And to be fair, I could not make heads or tails of who anyone was.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True. Although Wyatt clearly, to some degree, does have it out for Carrie. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if she walked into Aiden's kitchen and found her pink dress boiling on the stove.

[Morty]

Yeah, we didn't see an episode one after Aiden's like, I can't have phone sex again. Wyatt's in bed with me. The camera pans over, and Wyatt's eyes are open the entire time. Well, this is. What I don't understand is it's not like the guy running the VR booth is, like, you know, intentional contact. Sorry, game over. But Aiden's like, all right, we're done.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bad vibe, I'm telling you.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

And that leads us to Tate's 21st birthday celebration, which is also a very bad vibe.

[Morty]

We should say that Carrie's overnight visit has extended a few days because Aiden wants Carrie to stay for Tatum's 21st birthday. The only child who is appropriately aged and in just like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So true. We meet Kathy's long suffering boyfriend Bob.

[Morty]

Can we discuss Bob?

[Chelsea Fairless]

He seems great. Maybe Carrie should date him.

[Morty]

But I'm also getting like cuck energy from Bob as well. Like that is a man who's been trampled over for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But maybe he's into that.

[Morty]

So it's Tate's birthday. We should say Tatum Tater Tot. He seems to also have an excellent vibe, which controversially two out of three kids, not a bad job.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I agree.

[Morty]

Majority of your children, great vibe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Carrie trauma bonds with Bob who gives us some important information. He basically says this family is really close, hard to get in. Aiden doesn't like when I weigh in on the family or criticize anything. And Aiden also doesn't like Adderall.

[Morty]

Right. Which I feel the way that Bob is saying how tight knit this family is is kind of ominous. But what we're supposed to take from this scene is Carrie's realization that Kathy duped her. And I was correct. John Corbett was conveying in the last episode when Carrie hands over the Adderall that that was not something he was aware of and so kind of sidebars with him in the kitchen. And then Aiden continues to be a terrible vibe. Aiden might be the problem. He's like, I don't want to talk about it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. Well, to be fair, it is Tate's birthday. But anyway, they play Apples to Apples, a game that I have never played, so I do not understand it.

[Morty]

See, I had a note to ask you what Apples to Apples was.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We'll never know, and I think that's fine. But basically, Wyatt doesn't like the way that people are playing Apples to Apples and has like a full blown little kid tantrum.

[Morty]

Unlike us that would have a meltdown because we don't understand the rules of Apples to Apples. He seems to be upset that Carrie has won the game because she considers Walmart mysterious.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, we do not need to go into the intricacies of this.

[Morty]

Well, yeah, and he's upset that no one picked him because he had Jennifer Lawrence, who plays Mystique in the X Men.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think this would make more sense if we understood this game.

[Morty]

I'm going into the weeds because I don't think that's true. I think Wyatt's logic is mistaken. But it doesn't matter. Wyatt has a meltdown, and we learned that his brothers don't fuck with his meltdowns either, which made me like his brothers more for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then Aiden and Kathy get into it.

[Tatiana Waterford]

Don't you see why he needs it?

[Lauren]

Kathy, don't start.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I'm sorry, but he. This is why he needs to be on medication. I don't understand how you don't see it. The kid's got substance abuse issues as it is. You want to load him up on pills. He was diagnosed with adhd, and I don't think painting a house is the answer.

[Morty]

And I'm not loading him up on pills.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I resent that.

[Lauren]

Yeah, well, I resent you asking Carrie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To mule your shit down here from New York.

[Morty]

Oh, Aiden, Look, I know you are really upset about her seeing us, okay?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Kath, nobody asked you to get her involved. Nobody asked Bob to get involved. What the fuck? What does Bob have to do with it? I don't need his opinions on how I raise my family. So it's your family now?

[Morty]

Take a breath, Aiden.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great. Bertha, I'm sorry.

[Lauren]

Tate, you. Wyatt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Fuck you, Homer. You all.

[Morty]

I'm sorry. The moment that Wyatt smashed the window, I thought we were gonna get an abrupt cut to him being sent to military school.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. He needs to be sent to one of those wilderness programs for out of control teens. Where they like kidnap you in the middle of the night.

[Morty]

Again, Kathy, Aiden, I know you guys have your issues, but two out of three sons isn't bad. Majority good vibe sons.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And this is pretty crazy because he breaks the window with like a pitchfork or something like that. Right.

[Morty]

I could not clock what it was like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I get that teenage boys are angsty and they act out in unfortunate ways, but this seems pretty violent.

[Morty]

Pretty violent. And also obviously you're coddling of him is not working.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Morty]

So like I do think you need to call a cop and like have Wyatt experience a scared straight situation. Also in this scene we learned that Kathy is not just self diagnosing Wyatt as having adhd. He has been diagnosed with adhd. Adderall is one of the medications to treat this. But Aiden sees no difference between like the time that Wyatt did mushrooms and why doing Adderall, which I understand Adderall is essentially meth, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I also think it's insane to say that. How old is he? Fifteen.

[Morty]

Fifteen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A fifteen year old kid has substance abuse issues just because he had one incident with some magic mushrooms and drinking some beer. I think that's a lot to put on a child to say at 15. Like you're an addict. Like you can't receive medication for your ADHD because you're a drug addict. Like that's crazy.

[Morty]

Absolutely. And I think this episode really shows that Aiden's way of treating Wyatt I think is only making the situation worse. And dare I say I'm on Kathy and Bob's side.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's like let Wyatt sit on his switch. If he's going to have a tantrum during Apples to Apples. There's no reason why you should force him to participate at that point if he's just going to ruin it for everyone.

[Morty]

Yeah, he to learn how to be a better vibe. And I don't think repainting the house is going to make him a less terrible person.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Call me crazy, but how about a job?

[Morty]

Honestly? How about a trip to New York? I think he would love it actually.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I think they need to figure this out because we know from we need to talk about Kevin that this kind of behavior can escalate. Like imagine Carrie runs into Wyatt in Target and he's buying like 10,000 bike locks.

[Morty]

I was going to say. Yeah, I don't think Aiden keeps guns in the house, but he might have a bow and arrow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He probably has a rifle. So after this huge family blow up, Aiden apologizes to Carrie for asking her to Stay. Because it was clearly too soon.

[Morty]

Yeah. And Carrie does something very fascinating where she reveals a truth that we didn't know about her up until this moment, which is she's basically like, I kind of thought you were faking all of this of like needing to be down in Virginia. And I kind of didn't get why you couldn't split your time between Virginia and New York. But, like, now I get it. Like, you should not come back to New York.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I really liked this because she was also speaking on behalf of the audience because I, as the audience also kind of didn't believe him and didn't think that this made sense and didn't understand why he had acted like this in the season finale of season two.

[Morty]

I don't think his medication put that in quotes for Wyatt's recovery is working either.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, clearly it's not. But you know what? I really liked this part of the episode because we needed something dramatic to happen. There hasn't been a lot of drama since episode one, really.

[Morty]

And I think between the last episode and this episode, certainly in the way that Carrie has dressed, and this is extended since episode one of her acting out through dressing like she is living in a fairy tale. And I think this sort of broke through of the reality and the seriousness of the situation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. It was also satisfying to get a peek into Aiden and Kathy's marriage because we've never really gotten that before, apart from the fact that they're peacefully co parenting.

[Morty]

But are they?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think this is a pretty realistic issue for them to have. Right?

[Morty]

For sure. I mean, I think that Daddy MPK had no choice but to do an episode like this if we are going to be entangled and enmeshed in Aiden's home life. But if I had my druther, I would rather Carrie just be dating in New York.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course, we are in jail in a certain sense, but I get it. They brought Aiden back. We have to deal with his family.

[Morty]

I guess now we should say for those who are not watching the show, do not think that this conversation between Aiden and Carrie means they've broken up. She is very clear that they have not broken up. So they are as ill defined as before.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, this actually didn't really change anything.

[Morty]

Well, to make matters more confusing, Carrie is like, I don't think you should come to New York, but you know, when you do, here's a key to the townhouse.

[Chelsea Fairless]

God knows what will happen with these two.

[Tatiana Waterford]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we move on to Charlotte?

[Morty]

I would love to move on to Charlotte, but does Charlotte have a storyline this episode?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not really, but we do get some information about the Goldenblatt family and certainly about Lily's new love interest. So Pop Pop is visiting Harry's dad.

[Morty]

Yes. We learn that Rock is involved in the building's I assume very vibrant next door chat and that there is a woman in the building looking for a banana, which upsets Harry for some reason.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, see, I missed like all of that.

[Morty]

Well, that's how we get Marilyn from 10F at dinner in the following scene.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yeah, Marilyn from 10F is played by Annie golden, who was on Orange Is the New Black. She also was in the film Hair and on Broadway doing Hair for a long time. So she's kind of like an OG New York theater person.

[Morty]

Oh, so she's major.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Major.

[Morty]

So I understand why Pop Pop is into her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Pop Pop is into her and invites her to this family dinner which consists of Anthony, Giuseppe, Pop Pop, Lily's new boyfriend Diego, and Marilyn from 10F&Rock. And Rock. And yes, Charlotte and Harry Rock, who.

[Morty]

Has been cast as the Gen Alpha translator for this episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Diego reveals that he is a ballet dancer and Pop Pop is like back in my day, ballet dancers had boyfriends and he's like, oh yeah, I do.

[Morty]

Yeah, I got one of those as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Lily is in a poly relationship is what I'm supposed to take away from this.

[Morty]

I think I was more distracted at the fact that Pop Pop turns to Rock and is like explain. And Rock is like Diego is polysexual. Polysexual. A phrase I have not heard since the late 90s. Sorry Daddy MPK, but don't we say polyamorous now?

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I didn't even notice that they said polysexual.

[Morty]

It's all I could think about in that Scene.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe I'm just out of touch, but are teenagers in poly relationships now? College students? Sure. I assume that they all are, of.

[Morty]

Which Lily should be in her third year of college.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But also Lily is too square to be in a poly relationship. Like, it really goes against the character that they've established for the first two seasons.

[Morty]

Right. Well, I guess she's shaking off her Park Avenue privilege by like not caring.

[Chelsea Fairless]

About her boyfriend's sucking dick.

[Morty]

I mean, I feel like she would care less that her boyfriend's sucking dick and more that her boyfriend has a whole ass other boyfriend.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, I have no problem with the fact that Diego is sucking dick and has a boyfriend, but it's just like.

[Morty]

For this girl Rock, maybe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Rock, Absolutely. If anyone should be Polly, it's Rock. Or Anthony and Giuseppe.

[Morty]

Oh, actually Anthony and Giuseppe should be with Diego. That would have been hilarious if that as a throuple showed up to Charlotte and Harry's dinner. But I just had the darkest thought while we were having this conversation. Does this, this mean we're going to get introduced to Diego's boyfriend? Are we getting yet another side character to a side character?

[Chelsea Fairless]

God only knows where this plot line will go. I see the thought process behind it. Because they're like, let's put Charlotte's daughter in a dating situation that Charlotte would consider to be shocking. Because Charlotte is old school and traditional.

[Morty]

In a lot of ways, but she's not. I mean, she's been presented as was a very forward thinking mother. Like we get into that embalmed cyclone the season before of like, my parents wouldn't talk about sex. I vowed not to be that mom. I'm so cool. I'm getting condoms for my daughter. Which there is such thing as being too cool of a parent.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I hope that we hear more in future episodes about what Charlotte and Harry actually think about this. Because they don't tell us what they think about this in this episode.

[Morty]

Right. Because instead of having a scene after this of them discussing what would be quite distressing news for their teenage daughter, instead Charlotte and Harry are having sex in the smallest bed imaginable.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And Harry is having some erection issues.

[Morty]

Yeah, that's what I was wondering as well. Not to be the resident heterosexual. I believe he cannot finish is the issue he cannot climax.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is he on SSRIs? Because I feel like no one can climb it.

[Morty]

I mean, I wish it would be that he can't get it up because if it is indeed that he cannot ejaculate, then that is almost the same beat as last season when he ejaculated dust.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, the ghost come. Well, look, at least we didn't have to see his dick this time. So that's a win for everyone. Pop Pop, on the other hand, is looking at Pornhub on his iPad and Marilyn from 10 Apps.

[Morty]

This family is too open with each other. And I say this as someone that has a pretty open dialogue with their own parents. Rock bursts into Harry and Charlotte's room, seems undeterred that their parents were just having sex mere moments ago, because it is more important for them to let their parents know that Pop Pop's iPad is riddled with pornhub tabs. And that's why he can't use his iPad anymore. And unlike Harry, who cannot consummate his relationship, Charlotte anymore, Pop Pop can. I wonder where this is gonna lead us. Gotta say, don't love storylines involving Harry's sex life. And we've gotten one every season.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So LTW can't pick an editor and is spiraling.

[Morty]

And that form of spiraling comes in the form of talking in her sleep.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And because she's talking in her sleep, Herbert can't sleep. So Herbert wants to sleep in the guest room. But LTW would prefer to torture Herbert Guantanamo style and just keep him awake all night for no reason because she doesn't want them to experience, quote, unquote, sleep divorce.

[Morty]

I was excited about this potential storyline because that is very much in the zeitgeist right now. It's couples who have been married for a long time sleeping in separate bedrooms. And yes, the idea of a sleep divorce, I was like, like, oh, that's so cool. A relevant zeitgeist Y storyline that they're going to work into this. And then immediately LTW is like, we're not doing that. You said that she was Guantanamo torturing Herbert. Really? She's torturing herself because to prove Herbert wrong, she's literally in the middle of the night spraying water on her face so that she can stay up so she won't talk in her sleep. It doesn't. Doesn't make sense.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It does not make sense. Sense.

[Morty]

Does it make sense? Doesn't matter either. You know what does matter? LTW's got a hot new editor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Thank God. A side character that speaks to me.

[Morty]

He is a very attractive man named Marion, who ltw thought was a woman.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And despite his extensive qualifications for this job, she's afraid to hire him because she's anxious about the fact that if she hires a man to edit this doc about the unsung black Shero, then she'll be canceled.

[Morty]

But he is just hot enough that that thought goes right out of her mind.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, based on his name, no one will even know that he's a man. And also no one would get canceled for that. So again, it's a very low stakes.

[Morty]

Situation because thank God Marion doesn't have a profile photo on his IMDb.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But you know what? Into this, into this guy. Good vibes. Hot. Sure. I hope she does fuck him.

[Morty]

Oh, a fair plot line wouldn't be mad at that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Again, drama is good, I think. Like, if we're not going full comedy, let's get like Big and Carrie affair level dramatic.

[Morty]

I love this for the show. I mean, LTW's plot line continues to run parallel to everyone else's in the sense that I keep thinking they are backdoor piloting an LTW spin off show, but I don't think that'll ever see the light of day. This is just my own fanfic.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think it feels that way because just the scope of LTW's side characters. Like, I think she has more side characters than Carrie does, when you think about it.

[Morty]

Yeah, I think the kids push her over the edge. So Seema, Seema we can do in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

30 seconds, she gets evicted from her office. Justifiably so. She does not work there, does not.

[Morty]

Want to work there, refuses yet to get an offer from Ryan Serhan, and.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And attempts to poach an assistant for the Patel group.

[Morty]

Right. And the assistant's like, Nah, my rent's $3,000 a month. And Simone was like, fair enough.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Miranda has more to do this episode, which is great.

[Morty]

Well, she's house sitting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's house sitting cat sitting for Carrie, which is cute.

[Morty]

Which I got tricked because I was like, oh, they're finally living together. This makes sense. But no, Miranda is strictly there for house sitting shoe reasons.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sorry, that just sounds insane when you say it like that.

[Morty]

Well, no, it makes me realize that if Carrie did not have a cat, Miranda would not be staying at Carrie's gigantic townhouse, which is insane.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Truly. Miranda is finally asked to go back on the BBC, praise be. To speak on behalf of Human Rights Watch. And she does. But she accidentally has a viral moment.

[Morty]

She is trying to say wild countryside, but she is remembering Joy's advice to her to take a breath, not speak so fast. So unfortunately, it comes out as wild cunt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then she immediately becomes a meme. Brady informs her of this perfect amount of Brady. By the way, chef's kiss. This is how much A child should be factoring into the show.

[Morty]

And I have to say, such efficiency with the location. You see on the blackboard, it says Scout. You see him cutting potatoes, you're like, I got it. He's working at Scout.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is all I need to know about Brady right now. But when I saw this, it reminded me of another similar viral moment, which was Aretha Franklin's performance at, I think it was Obama's first inauguration. Do you remember this?

[Lauren]

This.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's just drop the audio of that. Here I come.

[Morty]

Treat is a tough word to take a break in between.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like Miranda. She took a breath at the exact wrong moment, but also the right moment. I remember seeing this at the time.

[Morty]

And screaming, look, you could get memed in worse ways.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she also got memed because of the hat. If anything, the hat that she was wearing, the gray, gorgeous gray hat with the bow on it with the rhinestones that overshadowed the whole thing.

[Morty]

And to your point of like a perfect amount of Brady, instead of focusing on his interior life and mental health, instead he gives his mom great advice because she's utterly freaked out. A very good Miranda responds where she's like, I don't want to be known. How do I get this to stop? And he's like, some celebrity will do something even stupider in a day and you'll be fine. Yeah, good on you, Brady. I love to see the growth.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I agree. So she then invites Joy and her friends over to Carrie's apartment.

[Morty]

Yes. Well, she thinks she's ruined her chance with Joy because they were supposed to go out to dinner. And then she cancels. But then she comes over with all.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of her friends and she is recognized as the wild cunt lady. And then as Miranda is saying goodnight to her, she's like, God, I guess I blew it with you. You know, I've become a meme. I'm super embarrassing. You clearly hate me now. And Joy is just like, no. I become super awkward whenever I like someone again.

[Morty]

Would I enjoy a Miranda girlfriend of the week storyline? Sure. But this is very touching.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Morty]

I feel like Miranda has found someone to match her awkward freak. And they kiss on the the of front. Front steps, which Carrie witnesses because she sees it on her ring camera. Felt like a very nice modern touch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. I was also proud of Miranda for taking charge of the situation and initiating the kiss and all of that. Miranda's the top in this relationship, I guess.

[Morty]

Oh, you think?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think so.

[Morty]

And that's that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And just like that. Well, there's one thing we didn't mention. Which is that on the flight home from Virginia, Carrie is looking on first dibs again, and she sees that the table has sold.

[Lauren]

Womp, womp.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, no.

[Morty]

And it really felt like an end. Just like that could have come in right as the credits rolled. But alas, yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

In fact, I have written one I would have ended this episode with. And just like that, I went from first dibs to last dibs.

[Morty]

Nice.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, this is kind of inspired by the end Just like that where she was talking about her and Enid becoming. I mean, paypals.

[Morty]

I see it. So yet again, I went with a more deranged. Funnier. Or I hope funnier. And just like that, because I knew you would just.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'll be the judge of that.

[Morty]

I knew you were going to do something legitimate. And just like that, I was out of my own wild cunt. Treeside not.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Morty]

We know that Sarah Jessica Parker would never allow Carrie Bradshaw to say the word cunt. But in my fanfic, she would. And just like that, I'm gone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's time for you to go, Lauren. Bye.

[Morty]

Bye.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Guys.

[Tatiana Waterford]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Guys, we have a truly special guest host today. She is quite literally my favorite person in the world. She is a stylist, she is Australian, and she was crazy enough to marry me. Welcome back to the pod, Tatiana Waterford.

[Lauren]

Aw, thanks, babe. Happy to be back.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Are you, like, so starstruck being with me right now?

[Lauren]

Um, not with being with you, but. But because we are on the set of the canceled podcast, so that is why I'm starstruck.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, to clarify, we are in the recording studio where the canceled podcast records and sometimes films. This is also where we are recording now that Lauren is on maternity leave and we're not recording at her house. So, yes, a very special treat for the number one canceled fan I know.

[Lauren]

The only podcast I listen to. Sorry, Every outfit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, let's get into some calls about. And just like that, Diego is Polly.

[Paul]

Sorry, gotta go. Running onto the freeway.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love his vibe and I relate to it.

[Lauren]

Frankly, that was quite a surprise. I love that it's Diego's Polly and not Lily is also poly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think Lily is kind of Paulie by default.

[Lauren]

She doesn't want to be, but she just has to.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, we don't know yet. Maybe she does want to be Polly, but she is in a poly relationship nonetheless.

[Lauren]

Yeah. How old is she?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think she's supposed to be like 17 or 18, right? She's still in high school. She's a senior in high school or a junior in high school, right? I don't know. Yeah, some fuckette will call and correct me, but yes, fuck at. I too am running onto the freeway. Next call.

[Paul]

I'm sorry, I just called.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I also wanted to bring up a point of why is everybody's bed.

[Paul]

So small in this series? Like, did they only have a budget.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For like a twin xl?

[Paul]

Because every character in the show has.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A tiny ass bed. It makes no sense. Seeing fucking Charlotte and Harry in the little toddler bed.

[Paul]

I was like, what the fuck is that bed? I'm sorry, my brain is just pride.

[Lauren]

He's got a point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He raises a very good point. That bed that Charlotte and Harry were in was tiny. The bed that Aiden and Carrie were in, Guest House, also tiny. But this thing started way before. And just like that, this started in the Sex and the City movies because remember how tiny big and Carrie's bed was in the second film? I remember Roxane Gay even tweeted about that at some point. So, yeah, the small bed thing has been around for a while, but I feel like it must have to do with filming, like, the size of the room. Yeah. Like, it must just like. Like make it easier or something. I don't know. I do think it's very bizarre, especially because these characters are so rich.

[Lauren]

We wouldn't last a day with a bed that size.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah, we'd be getting a divorce immediately.

[Lauren]

Immediately.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The California King is in fact, the only thing keeping our marriage together.

[Lauren]

Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, I want to move on to some non and just like that calls. But before we get into that, I feel like I need to ask you the question that I ask all of our guest co hosts. Which Sex and the City character are you?

[Lauren]

Oof. I mean, I really don't think I'm just one, but I would. I mean, what do you think I am?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think if Smith Jarrett and Samantha Jones fucked and had a baby, that would be you.

[Lauren]

Sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because you have this sort of inappropriate sense of humor that Samantha does, but you have the emotional intelligence and the wardrobe of Smith Jarrett.

[Lauren]

Oh, okay. I love that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's.

[Lauren]

I'll go with that for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, you're stealing my answer, but I do think I nailed it.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, let's play our next call.

[Paul]

Hey, Lauren and Tatiana, I have a relationship question for you. So my husband and I have been married for, like, 10 years. We have a super open and honest relationship. I'm in my early 30s. I was talking to him the other day and I made a comment in passing like, oh, I think I might want to get some Botox. Like, I'm going to make an appointment to go get some Botox. And he was like, oh, my gosh, no. Like, I don't know. That's good. Totally change your face. All this stuff, just a total reaction I did not expect. So here's my question for you. Should I first respect that he has some weird aversion to this and continue to age naturally and gracefully? Might I add two. Should I just say, whatever, dude, it's my face. I'm going to go get Botox, or should I I not tell him, go get Botox anyway? Because I don't think he's going to notice, to be honest. Okay, would love your thoughts. Love you. Bye.

[Lauren]

Bitch. Go and get Botox immediately. He will not notice. And then if he ever finds out, you can say, well, that proved my point. It didn't change my face. You didn't even notice.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, you say you have an open and honest relationship, so you could tell him. You could just be like, I am ignoring everything you said in doing it anyway. Which is completely fair because, yes, Botox does not actually change your face. Also, we're really glossing over the fact that this call was destined for Lauren and Tatiana.

[Lauren]

Yeah, she forgot about you from your own podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or she thinks that Lauren and you are the couple.

[Lauren]

Right. Oh, well, we could never.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's like the most mental, most disturbing thing I could imagine.

[Lauren]

True, it is. I think it would be for her, too.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure it would be. But yes, get Botox. Don't listen to your husband or your boyfriend. He doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, and you're to look hotter than ever. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Or get it and then tell him after you got it. So it's not like this huge lie. Just be like, I already got it and you couldn't tell. Yeah, exactly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, next call.

[Morty]

It's Lauren, longtime co host, first time.

[Paul]

Caller, Kel and chat.

[Morty]

Dying to know your thoughts on the first photos from American love story. JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette. Tell. I know how you feel about historically accurate styling, and, well, these photos lead something to be desired, let's say. Much love from me and baby Morty. Bye, guys.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I just want to clarify that Lauren did actually name her child Morty. That is just what his nickname is.

[Lauren]

And it's what we will forever call him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like everyone has been talking about this week.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Online in real life. People are very upset, and I think it speaks to how large this woman's fashion legacy still looms, especially right now with those Kate and Totem bitches.

[Lauren]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know?

[Lauren]

Yep. Phoebe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The quiet luxury girls that are, like, also obsessed with flip flops. Like, these are the people that are up in arms about.

[Lauren]

They're gonna start rioting on the streets.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They literally are.

[Lauren]

Yeah. It's such a shame, I think. I mean, especially the fact that these pieces can actually be bought. Like, the actor could be wearing her clothes for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And it's like the proportions aren't even right. Because what we saw from this was basically a screen test that was released for promotional purposes. And then we also started to see some paparazzi photos of them filming on the street. Right.

[Lauren]

And that's the Zara skirt with the Converse.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's no way that skirt isn't from Zara.

[Lauren]

Or Mango.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or Mango. And I know because I have bought that skirt from Zara and Mango, as you know. But the thing with the Chuck Taylors, we've never seen a paparazzi photo of Carolyn Bissette wearing Converse, but it was a detail in a biography of her. I forget which one. That she did wear those, like, with miniskirts when she was working in the office at Calvin Klein.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So perhaps that is more accurate than people realize. Although, of course, it is jarring to see, especially when juxtaposed with the mango.

[Lauren]

And a pleather blazer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I saw someone say on TikTok, like, she didn't even walk like that. Like, everything's wrong.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's true. Well, it's also. It's like, not even just the clothes. It's like her eyebrows, it's the color of her hair wasn't totally there. But honestly, like, I feel bad for this costume designer because imagine getting dragged to this level.

[Lauren]

Yeah, No, I feel bad for them too.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Horrible. I feel bad for this actor.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because, like, for all we know, she's amazing and, like, really can embody this character. I'm not familiar with her. Her name's Sarah Pidgeon. I've never seen anything she's done, but I feel like they wouldn't cast her as the lead unless she was major.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So let's give her a chance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We should definitely give her a chance. Although I kind of feel like playing an it girl is extra hard. Like, you almost need to cast another it girl so they have, like, the pretty prerequisite je ne sais quoi. Like, kind of when they're like, oh, Sienna Miller is playing Edie Sedgwick or something like that. But I also love that everyone has pointed out that she's carrying the wrong Birkin. Like, I would have never noticed that. I didn't even know there was a difference between Birkins.

[Lauren]

No. What is it the size or.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she's apparently carrying the Birkin 35, the actor, but Carolyn Bissette actually carried the Birkin 40. Right.

[Lauren]

So that's the size. I think.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's the size. There also was clearly some styling issues because the bag was, like, completely flat.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, it was as if they went into what comes around, goes around. Like, took it off the wall and.

[Lauren]

Just off the shelf. Yeah. No stuffing. No. Not one thing inside.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Just handed it to this poor bitch. My God.

[Lauren]

Yeah, that was a bad detail. I did notice that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can't wait to see that show.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Also the cropped suit pants with the little heel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. It's. The proportion of the pant is really upsetting because, like, this prompted me to do a deep dive. And by a deep dive, I mean I googled Carolyn Bessette fashion and spent a half an hour looking through photos of her. And my main takeaway was that, like, I need to get a pair of flared ankle cut jeans immediately. Yeah, but her proportions were so specific.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And they weren't really replicated in a real way.

[Lauren]

No, it's all wrong.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But anyway, thank you for your call, Lauren.

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[Paul]

Hey, girls, this is Guillermo. Long time listener, first time caller. This question is for tat. I just wanted to know if you ever style something and then afterwards you're like, oh, honey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Lauren]

Yes, of course. And that's exactly how I feel after that happens. Look, sometimes a client wears the exact thing that you want them to wear, and sometimes they'll pick the worst thing on the rack, which makes you want to kill yourself, because I brought that thing in the first place. But, you know, it's. Celebrity styling is different to editorial styling. Like, ultimately, they're paying me. Show up with options, and a suggestion can only go so far. So. Yes, of course. Many, many times I have styled things that have made me say, oh, no, no, no, no, no. But, you know, that's true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think people think that sometimes stylists have more control than they do. And sometimes they do. There are some clients that dream. Yeah, there's some clients that their stylist shows up with a few things, and they're like, I love all of it. What should I wear? Like, we've heard that Taylor Swift is like that through the grapevine.

[Lauren]

It's like three options that he'll show up with.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But yeah, it's. I think styling is more complicated than people may assume.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it's ultimately, you know, not really my decision. Which actually reminds me that, you know, I. I am a good wife. I do occasionally hop on your subreddit. Every outfit where I found people have been very unhappy with me and the. And the looks I've styled. This one comment. Charles, Katy Perry's styling by Tat is aggressively bad. I often wonder what Chelsea really thinks because. Because she is so chic. But this is some of the worst styling in the industry, aside from Blake Lively. I mean, I'm going to kill myself. Firstly, fuck you use the unable underscore vehicle 6290. And the seven people that upvoted your comment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. Okay, well, don't talk ill of the people on the subreddit, because they are my fans. Most importantly. But as to what do I really think? I think Chad is great because I see the amount of work that she puts in. I see every single piece that comes into the house, whether it's used or not. And I also think that you're so great at dealing with people, with clients, with their teams. This is not a job for the faint of heart. I remember when I was in college, I had this professor named Pascal Gotzen who was a mentor to me and to Lauren, and she said to me, being a stylist is the worst job that a person could have. Never do it.

[Lauren]

No, I fully agree. I stand by that horrible life decision that I've made.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's hard because it's a job that fuses, like, a lot of emails with a lot of manual labor, which is.

[Lauren]

Like, two things that I fucking hate doing. I hate checking my emails, and then you make me unload 12 rats. Like, horrible. Absolutely horrible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So you're rethinking all of your life choices?

[Lauren]

Yeah. I often used to say to the hair and makeup on set, it's like, fuck, I'm jealous of you. They show up with their kit. They unload it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, they show up with, like, their suitcase. Yeah. Like, at best, one small, like, carry on away suitcase.

[Lauren]

No, they always have those big to me ones.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But anyway, big to me, but still.

[Lauren]

Show me to me anyway. So, yeah, it's. It's. I'm jealous. And then they're the first to leave off the set. Like, they just pack up their bag and go. And I'm there for the next eight hours, like, crying because I probably got yelled at, you know, something ripped.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So the moral of the story is become a hairstylist or a makeup artist.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not a stylist.

[Lauren]

Not a stylist.

[Paul]

Please tell me you two are watching Dying for sex on Hulu. Michelle Williams is currently dating a man who likes to dress up like a dog for sexual purposes, and her mother is Sissy Spacek. I just really feel like this is up your alley. Love the show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Thank you. I love that this caller is like, because there's a character that dresses up like a dog for sexual purposes, and Sissy Spacek is in this. I think you guys will love it.

[Lauren]

I mean, she's not wrong.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Correct.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You were so right. This was up my alley in every single way. We watched this late. We watched this last weekend.

[Lauren]

Yeah. A very hard watch. I mean, I think especially after having just lost a very, very close friend. That was a really hard watch. I think on episode five, I looked at Chella. And I said, oh, God, I really hope she doesn't die. Chelsea's like, of course she's going to die, you fcking idiot. And, yeah, I still wasn't prepared. I don't think I've ever cried that much watching a show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, well, to address two things here. Yes, Big trigger warning if you're dealing with grief. Also trigger warning for sexual abuse. There are definitely upsetting aspects of the show, but I can't believe you thought that she was going to live.

[Lauren]

Well, I just didn't know what I was up for. You were like, let's watch this show. I was like, great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's a limited series about a woman with terminal cancer based on a true story.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, I always have the best hopes. I hoped that she would recover. You know, maybe the sex was gonna get her cancer free. I don't fucking know. I just wasn't prepared. Okay. The show was great. It was just the last episode that really got me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God. Yeah. I don't think I've cried that hard since the finale of Six Feet Under. And this show reminds me of Six Feet under because it deals with death in a very real way that we don't often see on television. But while it is a huge bummer at times, it's also very funny. And it's kind of amazing that they're able to strike that tone.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

With this show.

[Lauren]

Yeah, for sure. No, I loved it. I think it was a great. A great show. But I went to recommend it to someone, then I was like, oh, I don't think I can. Just so depressing. I was gonna tell my mom to watch it, and I was like, no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think your mom would be into it.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

At its core, it is an amazing show about a friendship between Michelle Williams and Jenny Slate, who both give the performances of their careers in the show. And it's just so good. I know that you haven't seen Beaches because once I put it on and you fell asleep and, like, didn't give a shit.

[Lauren]

Sounds about right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But this is basically like Beaches for millennials.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, great side characters. Sissy Spacek is perfect. Robbie Hoffman as the dom by night CB2 employee by day who helps Michelle Williams with her sexual awakening. I loved that.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So good. So, yeah, watch Dying for Sex.

[Paul]

Hi, guys. I'm a big fan and I'm also a local TV news reporter in New York City, and I have a lot to vent about this show, but specifically, I need to just vent about the controller plot line. First of all, technically, it is pronounced controller, not comptroller. Some will argue that's outdated and just say comptroller now, but I am a purist about it, so it bothered me in Texas City with John Slattery, and it still bothers me now. Also, I'm bothered that they have two controller plots. Like, why not pick another local city position that's important, like attorney general or a city council member or even public advocate. I don't know. It bothers me to pick this random position. But second, I don't know if you guys have followed the news this week. Our actual comptroller in New York, Brad Lander, was arrested by ICE yesterday and detained for four hours. I was there all afternoon in lower Manhattan. So my curiosity is, do we think LTW's husband would go to bear witness at ICE facilities like Lander and risk arrest like he did? I think maybe yes, because he is George Washington and Hamilton. But people wouldn't like him, I think, or even elect him because he's too rich for a job that's technically the city's financial watchdog. That's just my two cents. Hope you guys enjoy that. And thanks for everything you do. And let's have Lauren on the baby. Bye.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Finally, some real journalism on every outfit. Thank you for this information. I can't believe that we were still pronouncing that incorrectly. I'm going to have Tat sit this question out, as she is not yet a citizen and this administration is scary as fuck. But yes, I heard about Brad Lander's arrest. I appreciate what he did. The fact that ICE is capturing people at immigration hearings is profoundly sinister. But would Herbert Wexley do the same? I think he would. This sounds like something that would happen on and Just like that. For sure. It's maybe more season one and Just like that than season three and Just like that. But I do feel like Herbert Wexley being detained by ICE could be a plot point for season four. Next call.

[Morty]

Hi.

[Paul]

Okay, so I have a great question for Chelsea and Tat. This is something that really bothers me that's happening in the queer LGBTQIA plus community sometimes, and it's always women. I've never seen this happen with a man because I don't think any man would ever do this. But I came across this girl the other weekend. I went to her, like, variety comedy show and she is a woman that identifies as queer. However, she's never sexually been involved with anyone other than CIS men, never dated anyone other than CIS men, yet get very upset when someone challenges her queerness. What the fuck is that about? I'm sorry, it really bothers me. Maybe that's wrong of me, but I would love to hear you and Tat's take on this because I feel like this is a more common with women in the lesbian world. It's just. What? What the fuck? Like, Like, I want you guys to complain about this with me. Okay, Love you, bye.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I will complain about this with you. It is fucking annoying and it exists a lot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, this woman sounds like a poser. If you are a queer woman who is in a relationship with a CIS man, of course you are still bisexual or pansexual or however you choose to identify. But if you are an adult woman who has never so much as kissed another woman, it sounds like this is more of an identity that you want than one that you actually have.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Like it's too boring to be a straight woman.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's like boring to be straight and CIS now.

[Lauren]

But like it's not. It's fine if that's who you are.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, of course it's fine. But like, imagine if someone was like, I'm a bird watcher. Well, I've never actually watched a bird before and I don't know anything about birds, but I would like to join the bird watching society. Like, that's insane. Right.

[Lauren]

I just identify as a bird watching.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. I don't go to your actual bird watching, like meetings, parades. I just identify as a bird watcher. I just like.

[Lauren]

And how dare you question my identity?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think if you're queer, I don't think that the queer sex part is optional. No, it's literally the whole point.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Like, show me a receipt, you know?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And the people that get mad when you challenge people like this are people that they themselves do not have receipts and they feel insecure about that.

[Lauren]

And like, we're attacking.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

Men kind of do it too, but that's more like queer baiting. You know, where it's. They'll dress that way. Like every boy in Silver Lake now has got a cropped top and like a. And a skinny flared pant or something with the nails painted.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. But the reason why men that date women aren't frequently identifying as bisexual or pansexual is because there's still so much stigma attached to being a man who dates women and identifies as queer, whereas there's very little stigma attached to women, especially if that woman is exclusively in opposite sex relationships. In other words, words, the level of homophobia that a man would have to deal with simply Wouldn't be worth it. Unless sucking dick was, like, actually a priority in his life. Like you just would never in a million years, you know? But I do think there's an exception here. And that exception is young people. Kids, teenagers. Let them identify however they want, respect, support however they want to identify. They're clearly under a lot of pressure from society to pick Elaine. And I don't necessarily think that young people need to have the experience, but again, if you're a grown woman, like.

[Lauren]

At what point are you talking about JoJo Siwa?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I'm not talking about JoJo Siwa. JoJo Siwa is fine because JoJo Siwa has receipts.

[Lauren]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's dated women. She did that whole karma music video.

[Lauren]

Yeah, no, I'm not mad at JoJo at all.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm not mad at JoJo. JoJo has nothing to prove to me. No, this woman. Yeah, this woman.

[Lauren]

This random comedian.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'm. I'm beefing. And while we should be respectful, we do not have to treat this woman like she threw the first brick at Stonewall.

[Lauren]

There we go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because that's clearly what she wants.

[Lauren]

She should go back to bird watching.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so we're out of calls, but we have some more gay related questions. It's Pride Month. Tat. Can you believe.

[Lauren]

Oh, my goodness.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're celebrating by being married to my dumb ass.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Yep.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Someone wrote us on Instagram and wanted to know who our hall passes are.

[Lauren]

Oh, it's a good one. Well, mine was always Emily Ratajkowski, but Chelsea's shamed me and told me that she looks like my sister, which is just really gross me out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's really true, though.

[Lauren]

It's not true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It is true. God, it is true.

[Lauren]

Photo. And let the.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I will put up a photo on Patreon so you guys can see what this woman looks like. But it is, like, somewhere between Emily Rata Kowski and, like, Kim Kardashian is what her sister looks like.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, whatever, because she's not my sister, so I still choose Emily Ratajkowski. Remember we sat next to her in New York at dinner and I couldn't, like, talk.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah, you didn't speak to me for, like, the entire dinner, so that's my whole pass.

[Lauren]

Who else? Oh, Charlize Theron as Megan Kelly in that one movie where she played the Republican.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that is the most mental hall pass I've ever heard of. And see, I knew you have a thing for, like, weird Republican women.

[Lauren]

I don't, actually. It's Charlize Theron. It's not actually Megyn Kelly, but you're.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not into Charlize Theron. You're into her as Megyn Kelly, like, wearing prosthetics and, like, some ugly, like, neoprene peplum outfit because she's, like, playing a Fox News anchor.

[Lauren]

Who's your whole past, then?

[Chelsea Fairless]

My whole pass is Jenny Shimizu or maybe Rachel Maddow. Even though I can't watch that show, it, like, stresses me out, and I'm not into it. I just think that she's hot, and I'm into that.

[Lauren]

Your answers. It's like, that. So explains who we are as a couple. Like, those are your answers. Answers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Mine are that, yeah, we have very different taste in women. For sure.

[Lauren]

Yeah, we do. Well, Chelsea has a whole thing where she doesn't find straight women attractive, apparently.

[Morty]

That's not true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I find straight women attractive. I just don't have crushes on them.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Unless I know that they're, like, you.

[Lauren]

Know, well, everyone's straight until you get them a little wet, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So, okay, maybe that's your dating strategy, but is certainly not mine. All right, someone else wants to know. Tat. Do you still hate the movie Tar?

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Truly the worst take that both you and Lauren have ever had. I'm sorry, someone else asked. Can we talk about the mask shortage in Los Angeles?

[Lauren]

Yeah, I've seen this. I've seen a lot of people talk about it. I mean, we truthfully don't really go out much. We're at home a lot, and we're not dating, so I'm not looking. And I wouldn't date masks, so I'm not looking for them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's true. But every time I do leave the house and, like, go to a lesbian party or especially if I'm looking on dating apps, like, because we have friends. No, like, when it's, like, we're looking at, like, yo's, like, apps or something, and we're, like, looking at all the girls, it's like, yeah, none of them are masked.

[Lauren]

No, they're not.

[Chelsea Fairless]

None of them are mask at all. I feel like, caller, you may have to move to, like, New York or San Francisco or something, because I don't know if it's happening here. And if it is happening here. It's like, you have to be as far east as possible or in, like, Long Beach.

[Lauren]

I feel there's, like, a whole nother.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is it. Is there a mask Lesbian subculture in Long Beach?

[Lauren]

Video of, like, a mask. Like, only party in L. A. I was like, oh, shit, that's where they all are. So I think it's Long Beach. I don't know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love this tea that they're all in Long Beach. Yeah. It makes me wonder because the L Word was always criticized for depicting the Los Angeles scene as being exclusively sort of Femi women, with no butch women, no androgynous women. And now I'm just kind of like, was that just accurate?

[Lauren]

Yeah, I think so.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It might be. Speaking of which, I have a L Word related question. Hottest take about the OG L word. Oh, I'll go first. My hot take is that Jenny is the best character.

[Lauren]

Oh, my God, I hate that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. She's horrible. She's annoying. Insufferable is a word I would use to describe Jenny. But the L Word is not the same show without Jenny. It's kind of like how the View wasn't the same show when they got rid of Joy Behar.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We need Jenny for it to feel like the L Word. And I think that this is why the reboot failed, because Jenny was not involved.

[Lauren]

Well, the reboot failed for many, many reasons other than the lack of Jenny, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. That was actually the least of their problems. But it was a contributing factor.

[Lauren]

Sure. But no. Jenny fucking sucks hard. Disagree. My take is that Bet and Tina should have broken up at the very start. They were not meant to be together. Just not right. Bette deserves the world.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're breaking people's hearts with this. But, yeah, BET was always a little too good for Tina.

[Lauren]

Yeah, Tina kind of fucking sucked.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, Bet should have never forgiven her.

[Lauren]

No, she remember, like, when they're swimming in the pool with her new husband or her new boyfriend. Like, horrible. Totally heartbreaking.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, fuck Mary. Kill Bet, Shane or Alice.

[Lauren]

Fuck Shane. Marry Bet, kill Alice.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can't believe you're killing Alice, because I am literally Alice. Like, if you ask me, Chelsea, like, what is a depiction of a character on a show that is both not just closest to your personality, but closest to your life? I would say Alice from the L Word.

[Lauren]

Oh, yeah. She, like, has a podcast or radio show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, she was an early adopter. She had a radio show. So I'm, like, very insulted.

[Lauren]

No, you're so different. Alice is, like, very squeaky and, like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, my voice is much deeper than.

[Lauren]

Alice's, but I don't know, her breakdown is a lot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That seems like something I would do.

[Lauren]

Keep a life size cut out of me when I die or break up a date. You?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I just might. Yeah, I would not be above that.

[Lauren]

I'm killing Alice, not you, so don't take it personally. What's yours?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The same.

[Lauren]

Oh, well, then.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it's less insulting when I kill Alice because obviously I have to marry Bet and Shane is unmarriable.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shane is all about fucking. That's like, literally her character. So this is really the only option.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, I'm sorry to let you down.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, we have another fuck, marry, kill for Che Diaz, Rosie o' Donnell, and Maria, Samantha's girlfriend from Sex and the City.

[Lauren]

Okay, kill Che, marry Rosie. But is it Rosie as the nun?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Oh, fuck. Watching Wicked. Oh, okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Kill.

[Lauren]

No, fuck. I can't kill them both.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I am killing Maria. She is the coolest out of all of them, but she's also a domestic abuser, so I can't marry her. Therefore, I'm fucking Che Diaz and marrying Rosie o' Donnell.

[Lauren]

You would actually love that. I could see you in Times Square with your matching Wicked shirt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, for sure.

[Lauren]

Singing along.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'd be happy to be that bitch. Okay, we have some questions about us. How many Diet Cokes does Chelsea average a day?

[Lauren]

Oh, she's gotten so much better. I think her biggest problem is it's not that she actually drinks them all. She opens a can and forgets that she's opened it and then goes and opens another can can. So when I come home, if she's been working all day at home, there'll maybe be five.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, there's not five.

[Lauren]

They're the mini cans.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Mini cans? Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay, so there's sometimes there's five mini cans open and they're all half drunk. Some are full, some are opened but full, and. And one or two are empty.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So there's really no way to answer this question, is what we're saying. Although I did recently do one of those, like, allergy tests, like the ones where you, like, buy the kit and you test your hair and it tells you everything you're allergic to. And it told me that I'm severely allergic to asp, which is in Diet Coke.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Which I always about. I'm like, chelsea, aspartame, so bad for you. And she's like, you have a vape in your mouth. Like, shut up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, exactly. And also, although I am allergic to asp, I heard that a lot of the studies about ASP have actually been debunked.

[Lauren]

Like, it's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's not as bad as, like, people are making it out to be in the way that, like. Like, MSG isn't as fucked up as people have made it out.

[Lauren]

No, I just watched something about how drinking like a full sugar coke is actually way worse for you. So who knows?

[Chelsea Fairless]

You can't win in this life. You can't win. A lot of people asked how we met, what being in a long distance relationship was like in our sort of immigration journey. I don't know if I've ever talked about this on the podcast before, but Tad and I met in 2014 when I was working at V Files because I hired her as my intern. And I know how that sounds. I know it sounds a little predatory, a little bit Lydia Tar adjacent. So I think it's really important to clarify that this is how we met. That is not when we started dating. Unfortunately, we started dating almost three years after that point.

[Lauren]

Yes, we did. I was in New York right after I finished high school and I saw V Files post that they were looking for an internal intern. And so I applied and I came in and met Chell and instantly had the biggest crush on her. But yeah, nothing did happen until years later. Although I was so upset on my final day as being her intern, she was like, hey, can I take you out to dinner to thank you? I was like, oh, my God, this is it. And then it was literally like the scene out of Love actually, where she's like, and you and you. She stood up in the office and was like, who wants to come to dinner? Like, the whole office came. I was like, my life. But yeah, that's how we met.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I remember that dinner because you made some offhand comment like my ex girlfriend or something, and I remember thinking like, oh my God, that's so cute. She's trying to come out to me. Yeah.

[Lauren]

I had never had a girlfriend to tell you I was gay somehow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was like a baby. But we stayed friends. Like, we followed each other on social media and stuff. When we met, I was like in the middle of like a four year relationship. But there. There was a bit of a vibe with Tat and I. Not when you were my intern, but like after that because you would come to New York every once in a while and we would hang out and.

[Lauren]

You still lived in Australia. So.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, you were in Australia. And then when my relationship ended, I thought, you know what, I'm gonna. I'm gonna call Tat.

[Lauren]

Great. I'm glad. I was just there waiting. But it really was. I was for sure. Yeah. She actually, she sent me an email and I was in St. Bart working, and I get this email from her that was like my relationship's Ended a while ago, and I wanted to wait a little bit and, you know, I miss you. How are you? Can we. I would love to keep chatting, whatever. And I'm like, okay, she lives in New York. Like, I'm just gonna book a flight to New York. So I did that and I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy. I'm actually going to be in New York tomorrow. I fully booked a flight and everything. She responds, oh, I'm actually not in New York. I'm like, I've already booked the flight, so I'm York in New York for three days.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. That was crazy of you.

[Lauren]

Well, I know, but I followed my heart for love and look where it got me, babe. On the set of the Cancel podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God.

[Lauren]

No, but I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And now I'm about to be canceled for this story.

[Lauren]

Yes. I was like, okay, where could she be if she's not in New York? I'm like, she must be in la. I think I zoomed into a photo you'd post on Instagram. I could see a palm tree. So then I booked a flight from New York to la and I responded to her email. Oh, I'm only in New York for two days, and then I'm in la. And she was like, oh, my God, this is such a coincidence. This is meant to be. And I just had to play along with it. She was like, what are you doing here? I was like, oh, you know, I lied. I said. I forget what I said, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, yeah, I forget what you said, too. And then after that point, Tat still lived in Australia. We were long distance for maybe like a year before we got married. Doing this sort of back and forth. We would fly every few months, see each other some. Sometimes it was four months. Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

You didn't come to Australia before we got married?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Then because Tat had flown into the country so many times visiting me, you got, like, detained at the airport. Basically the scary thing where they take your phone away from you, which is like, what everyone is really scared of right now, for obvious reasons. And they were basically like, we'll let you in the country this last time, but don't even try and come back.

[Lauren]

Is this story gonna, like, fuck with my green card status? No, I never did anything wrong.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, you never did anything. You didn't come back in. But because of that, because Tat couldn't come back in the country, we had to get married in New Zealand.

[Lauren]

Whose gay marriage wasn't legal in Australia yet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Which is still crazy, but yes. So that's why we got married in New Zealand. And then because we got married in New Zealand, I had to file a petition to bring a family member into the country.

[Lauren]

Bring a spouse.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bring a spouse, which is, like, a much more time consuming process than if you're able to get married on US Soil and can just, you know, your partner can stay in the country while the visa is processed. So after we got married, we were long distance for another year and a half. Yeah, that was lucky. We were lucky enough to have an immigration lawyer and to be able to have help. Help, like, knowing things. Like, we filed our petition in a different state.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I think we filed it in Texas.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Because if we had done it in California, it would have taken, like, three years for it to get processed or something like that. So it was really. Even with having a lawyer and, like, not committing any sort of, like, fraud in regards to our marriage, it was still just, like, very stressful. Because you always think, like, the worst. Yeah, you think the worst. You think that you're gonna check one wrong box on a form and something's gonna happen.

[Lauren]

It delays the whole thing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Yeah. Because that happens. Like, that is, like, a very real.

[Lauren]

Well, I also couldn't visit you here, so the only way we could see each other is you coming to me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So then I started coming to Australia. I stayed there for a few months when Lauren and I were writing our book. And then in 2019, she was finally able to move to Los Angeles, and.

[Lauren]

We had our first Valentine's Day together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Yeah, we had our first Valentine's Day that wasn't on Zoom, because I think the previous two were.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It seems like all that seems like so long ago now.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it does. But that was nuts.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It was a really, really long time that we lived like that, and it. It sucked. It was great, but it was. It was stressful. And thank God all of that is behind us.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But now at this point, we've been married for what? What? Like, almost eight years, I think. Eight years this October, which is crazy.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it's crazy considering I'm only 29.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So this is my tip, guys. Marry your interns. No, I'm just kidding. Okay. I'm gonna move on. Before I get canceled. Someone is asking, has tat influenced Chelsea's style?

[Lauren]

I mean, you. You dress very differently than you did when we first met. I don't know if that's my influence or if you've just changed or outgrown that style. It was mainly caftans and sparkles.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Sparkles. When did I wear sparkles?

[Morty]

You always.

[Lauren]

Your nails were metallic, so I had.

[Chelsea Fairless]

One pair of, like, silver sandals.

[Lauren]

I don't know, I just think of you as being sparkly. It was like a sparkly earring always. Like, the caftans had glitter on them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's true. I was wearing a lot of caftans with, like, shoulder duster tearing.

[Lauren]

You wore a silver metallic turf turban on one date, so, yes, that's sparkly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, well, maybe it's best that that is behind me. Although I actually still do have that turban.

[Lauren]

I know. I see it in the cupboard sometimes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It actually is incredible. Yeah. I think I dress different now because, well, for one thing, it's like you have such an amazing wardrobe, and I now have access to that wardrobe. So I'm wearing some of your clothes that, like, are clothes that I would never otherwise buy. Like, Tat has this, like, loewe baseball jacket. That is not something I would ever buy from a store. But because it's there and it's beautiful.

[Lauren]

You look great in it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, yeah, I've started to wear it. So it's like, things like that. Sure. But also, like, I do think you maybe need to see a therapist because you always try and turn me into what your mom dresses like, you always.

[Lauren]

Okay, so people are gonna think I'm an incest bitch now because firstly, you're talking about my sister and now you're talking about my mom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I'm just saying, like, trying to.

[Lauren]

Turn you into my mom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Her mom is a very, like, glamorous, toteme set, like, little loewe puzzle bag type of bitch.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I don't want you to wear that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, you kind of do, though.

[Lauren]

Well, because I gave you one loewe bag that I don't wear anymore.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, well, see, that's the other thing. When Tat and I first got together, you weren't like, fully femme. Like, I never saw you wear a skirt or dress or anything, but remember.

[Lauren]

One time I put on a dress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You did put on a dress one time, and I started laughing. I'm sorry. That was. That was rude of me.

[Lauren]

And that's why I shaved my head.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, like, you were femme enough so that, like, you did have, like, women's handbags, which you would never carry now.

[Lauren]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And blessedly, I inherited many of those handbags.

[Lauren]

Yes, you did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, more questions. Have you ever been to Waterford, Ireland? We got multiple. Multiple wow questions about this.

[Lauren]

I was on a cruise once. Don't ask why? With my best friend. Yo. And one of. We had been on the cruise for like three days in the middle of the ocean, no stopping. We were like, get us off this cruise. And we went out to the casino on the cruise the night before and I think ate like a bar of mushroom chocolates and didn't sleep. And so the next morning we had landed. We were not landed. Docked and meant to get off, I believe, in Waterford Island. And we wake up to the sound of. And we look out. We had slept through the entire day. So the boat was now departing again. So we didn't get to get off. We didn't get to go to island. So I kind of did, but I was sleeping.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's a great answer. The answer is almost. I came this close. Like, I was docked there.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I was docked. I just didn't get off. I don't think we ever laughed so much as. Yeah. Pulling away.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Someone asked, what is your biggest nightmare? I feel like I've answered this before on previous Hotline shows, but nothing that catastrophic has ever happened to me. I know that you have had some real nightmares, though.

[Lauren]

For what?

[Chelsea Fairless]

At what work?

[Lauren]

Nightmare work nightmares? Yeah, many. What can I tell? On this podcast, though? So I just kind of started working for this client and I was in Australia with her and we're in Melbourne and we're at a beautiful hotel, I think the Four Seasons or something. And I had gone to sleep in my hotel room and I woke up standing naked, butt naked in the hallway of the hotel, knocking on her security guard's door, who is a very attractive, handsome man. And I was knocking on his door butt naked. I had slept, walked and walked out of my room and stood outside his door.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, wait, I remember you telling me this at the time, but, like, what. At what point did you wake up?

[Lauren]

When he opened his door to look at me and thank fuck. In my sleep, I had walked past the closet in the hotel room. So I had grabbed a shirt, but I didn't put the shirt on. I just threw it over my shoulder, like. But I'm talking button flaps out, like, naked. And yeah, he opened the door and was very kind and was like, are you okay? And I kind of woke up and was awkward. I was like, oh, I'm just looking for the bathroom. And he was like, okay. And I'm like, I'm fine, I'm fine. So I went back to my room. Obviously I didn't have a key, so I had to put my shirt on and kind of hold it over and walk down to the front desk naked to get a key. And then when I got back in my room, I had noticed that every painting had been taken off the wall. I think I might have had like a psychotic break.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, that's like.

[Lauren]

This is like more than sleepwalking. I don't know what happened.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That does seem more than sleepwalking.

[Lauren]

Every painting off the wall just leaning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Against the walls like that's like giving mental health crisis.

[Lauren]

I didn't go back to sleep that night. I just sat up and cried.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How did you ever sleep again?

[Lauren]

I. I mean, I don't know. But I texted him like, I'm so sorry. And he was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm like, that is a true gentleman. Shout out to him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, babe, I admire your strength and, and your willingness to talk about such a traumatic thing on this podcast today. Next question. Why don't you guys smile in photos?

[Lauren]

I don't know. I don't really like my teeth.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You have perfect teeth though. I don't like my teeth.

[Lauren]

You also have perfect teeth, so I don't know, I just think I look better without smiling.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think I look better without smiling too. I'm like Posh Spice.

[Lauren]

Yeah, like a little. A little smirk, but no teeth.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Some fashion questions. Hey, ladies, as a middle aged f slur, how can I pull off all of the crazy fashion pieces that I love to buy? First of all, you only get one logo at a time. You know?

[Lauren]

True.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Pick your logo and that's it. Yeah, you could maybe have two if you were also wearing a pair of sunglasses. And the logo on the sunglasses is like tiny.

[Lauren]

Like you'd have to like a little Celine or.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, you'd have to like get up close to see what it is. Or like Bottega Veneta sunglasses. Like they don't even have them. They don't have that. Yeah, that is like as much as you get. You can't like do all sorts of crazy things at once.

[Lauren]

No, you could do more than one logo, but as long as it's the same brand. Like the little Prada triangle on your shoe and then a Prada T shirt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm with you. I do think like having it all be one brand is less fashion victimy. Although some people disagree and think the opposite.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I think that like the true fashion victim trauma comes with mixed seen very like disparate things. And it's not just like so much about logos. It's also like how recognizable is the piece. Yeah, like I would never Wear like, say a Margiela tabby with like a Louis Vuitton branded handbag. Because those are both just such sort of like iconic, recognizable and opposite things.

[Lauren]

Except you. Do you wear that little bag?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was my tabby.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I don't.

[Lauren]

Oh, okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do I?

[Lauren]

All the time. Yeah. With your white tabbies that you like. That's your outfit. But anyway.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so the moral of the story is that I'm a huge fashion.

[Lauren]

The moral of the story is don't take advice from us. Wear whatever you want to wear. But yeah, avoid look. I mean, do you remember that one summer in Mykonos where it was those Christian Dior, like beach bags?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think that it's always that summer in Mykonos.

[Lauren]

Well, that was like the first, like, it was like when they popped off and it was like every single girl had that. But then with like, you know, the full.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's hard because it's like sometimes when you're buying something, you don't know how popular it will become. Like, I'll recall for you back in your sort of femme era, when we first met, your look was you were always wearing cut off shorts with the skinny Gucci belt with the G logo and then like a button down shirt. And then you would often wear those like backless Gucci loafer slides. Like, that was like your look. Both of those pieces, like those loafers and that belt became so popular like at a certain point, which is probably why you've steered away from wearing them.

[Lauren]

Okay, so we're both fashion fictions.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we're both, per se. Well, yeah, I think we are. I think it's hard to not be obsessed with fashion and not become a victim at some point. Because if you're at all into what is happening at the moment, then you're going to be buying that stuff. You're gonna be playing into that for sure. I wish I could be the person that was like, I don't care about trends. I feel like a lot of people say that, but like, they don't actually walk the walk. Like, they still do have like the pair of jeans that looks like it's of the moment or whatever. I wish I could like, opt out of all of that, but I can't. I'm just not immune to fashion in that way.

[Lauren]

You know, I think it's very hard to be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, how would you style Lauren's new baby?

[Lauren]

Well, we basically have. Because I've bought him so many clothes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like, does Lauren have clothes for the baby that weren't purchased by us because I feel like we have given.

[Lauren]

The baby a lot of pieces, so many onesies. Well, when she was in Australia, I forced her to buy all the bonds, baby stuff, which is kind of like our version of Hanes. So there's a lot of that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Lot of bonds. The baby did get a pair of Marnie. Like, they're not really cargo pants. They're kind of cargo pants. It's like a utilitarian men's pants.

[Lauren]

They're the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life. But, yeah, there's a great store in Beverly Hills that has all designer kids clothes. Yeah, my mom bought them for her. They're very cute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You got him a little Adidas tracksuit.

[Lauren]

Oh, I can't wait till he fits.

[Chelsea Fairless]

In that, like, a Kris Jenner kind of vibe.

[Lauren]

Yeah. The black one with the stripes. It was funny. Cause Paul was like, oh, I found a matching one for me. And I'm. I'm like, bitch, I found a matching one for me. I'm matching with Morty.

[Morty]

Not you.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. With a little white tank underneath. It's very cute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I also haven't dropped it off of the house yet, but I did get Morty a little, like, branded Summit Ice onesie that I think will be quite cute, potentially with those Marnie pants. At some point. We'll see. He has to grow into those a little more.

[Lauren]

Yeah, he does.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do they have sunglasses for babies?

[Lauren]

Yeah, but not nat baby. He's like, five days old.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, like, do they have sunglasses for, like, kids?

[Lauren]

Yeah, toddlers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Toddler sunglasses. Do they have designer sunglasses for toddlers?

[Lauren]

Not that I've seen, but maybe. I know they have Ray Ban.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's cute.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it is very cute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, moving on. Thoughts on Francesco Risso leaving Marnie?

[Lauren]

It sucks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Horrible.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it is horrible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Horrible, because I feel like what he did at Marnie, it wasn't a slow burn, but he was sort of, like, consistently built this brand into something very different than it was. He sort of made a whole different kind of consumer interested in Marnie. He really upped the menswear specifically.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And his custom looks were incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Custom looks were incredible. I feel like I really like this sort of slackery, stonery quality and.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That he brought to Marnie because they have obviously this very, like, rich heritage with. With the textile design, and it's, like, a very specific look. But I feel like Marnie was the place where you go to get, like, the perfect, like, mohair cardigan.

[Lauren]

Totally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you buy it and you Put it on and you look like Kurt Cobain. It's major.

[Lauren]

Yeah. With like the fuzzy little slip on shoes and. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

In the details, with all the Marnie stuff, like the sew in tags, like the. Just everything. I think the shoes also were really brilliant and, like, kind of underrated.

[Lauren]

Yeah, the shoes were great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, he was also big into making sort of like big shoes, like cartoonishly large shoes, furry shoes, but, like doing it just really, really well.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And yeah, it sucks.

[Lauren]

It does suck. I wonder where he's going to go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I wondered that also.

[Lauren]

I mean, it's all really changed up, hasn't it?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

It's a whole new world out there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's. It really is a whole new world.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Someone wrote it. Student who desperately needs a wedding shoe. I'm getting married on grass. Help. Lol. That's a hard one. Because I can't really advocate for a flat or a wedge.

[Lauren]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe there's a Prada wedge or something.

[Lauren]

Not for your wedding day. I haven't seen a white. I mean, maybe not wearing white. I don't know. But I would just do the shoe you want to do and put those little grass stoppers on the bottom of the heel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What do you mean, grass stoppers?

[Lauren]

They sell them. They like. It's like a little plastic attachment that just makes it like wider at the bottom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do people wear those, like in their day to day life or is this just for photo shoots?

[Lauren]

Probably not day to day life because how often are you wearing stilettos on grass?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren]

So maybe more so for photo shoots or. Yeah, a wedding.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think you either need to do that or like, just like stand on something solid because it's really hard when you're in heels. Like, Tad and I went to a wedding a couple years ago that was in a garden and I was wearing heels and I literally, like, had to put my full core into standing on my tippy toes and like, not sinking into this garden.

[Lauren]

Honestly, just watch Rihanna walk in heels and figure it out. That bitch walks over those New York greats.

[Morty]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great advice.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To Labubu or to not Labubu?

[Lauren]

Don't Labubu.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Don't Labube.

[Lauren]

I think they're really cute, but I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Don'T know, you kind of remind me of a loo Boo Boo.

[Lauren]

Thanks, babe. They're just. They're expensive. One just sold for $32,000. I don't know, I think there's a whole, like, everyone's buying fake Labuboos.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, it's like There's a lot of other. Just, like, cute bag charms. I think it's. It's surprising to me because the Labubu is like, there are many things out there that look like Labubus.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Also, I'm sick of the fucking names. I'm sick of just hearing Le Boo Boo.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I know.

[Lauren]

And you sing me that stupid song all the fucking time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's just because it's in my head.

[Lauren]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I say let's not do that. If you enjoy it, do it. But I don't think we need to go out of our way at this point. Although, look, I'm not above that. I have, like, a Vaccara bag charm that's like a fluffy little bear. I get it.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I'm not against cute bag charms, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Tat thoughts on you potentially being a Gucci girl?

[Lauren]

Well, I guess I'll have to be. I was very heartbroken by the news of Demna leaving Balenciaga, but, yeah, I guess I'll move over to the dark side.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you're gonna go back to Gucci, because, like I was saying, you kind of were Gucci.

[Lauren]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like a decade ago.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I used to love Gucci. I mean, I guess I'll see what he'll do. I'm not gonna blindly just follow him, but, you know, I'm excited to see what happens, and I very well may become a Gucci go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think the bags are going to be irresistible.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I really do. The clothes, I wonder about, or I'm curious about the clothes, because he said in interviews, like, I'm actually over the oversized look. I'm not interested in it anymore. So I can see a world where he sort of pivots to his version of Tom Ford Gucci, which I think makes a lot of sense.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And certainly people would want to be photographed in a Gucci thong or whatever. But we shall see.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Final question. Tatiana, I need your thoughts on Biebs. How are you handling his status right now? What is his status exactly? That he's kind of having a mentee be.

[Lauren]

I mean, kind of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, like, he struggs to funk.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I think he struggs to funk a little. I feel. I just feel so bad. I love him so much. I mean, that's another whole pass right there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But Justin Bieber, love. Well, because didn't you actually, like, kind of, like, follow him around when you were, like, a little girl?

[Lauren]

Yeah, I, Like, I was one of those kids on YouTube that found him when he was, like, little Singing Chris Brown songs.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Really?

[Lauren]

Before he was. Yeah, when he came to Australia, he, like, hadn't blown up quite as much yet. Like, literally camped out to see him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And was that like, pre baby or around that time?

[Lauren]

Maybe around that time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right? Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah. But no, I love him. I love him so much. I think he's the best. And I feel really bad for him. I feel bad for him and Haley. I think the hate they're getting is insane.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I feel really bad for Haley.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But also, like, I don't know. That video of him, like, screaming at the paparazzi.

[Lauren]

Yeah. What does he say? That was a little fucking to you, that I'm standing on business.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, because like. Like, look, I get it. I think Justin Bieber should be able to have the freedom to walk through this world without being harassed. But he did choose to go to Nobu Malibu.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, that is short of, like, deciding to go to the ivy, like in 2005.

[Lauren]

Or Craig's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or Craig's. Like, that's like literally, like the. The one place you wouldn't go if you didn't want to deal with, like, paparazzi or you didn't want to deal with beautiful recognized. Like, that's where people go for the purpose of being photographed.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, that's why they go there. So I feel like it's a little bit.

[Lauren]

Yeah. To have that breakdown there. It doesn't really make sense.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It makes like zero sense.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would get it if he was like, fuck, man. Like, I just want to go to this chick Fil A in peace or whatever.

[Lauren]

My kid to the park or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I'm. I'm praying for him. I'm praying for our boy.

[Lauren]

Me too.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I hope that we get some new music from him.

[Lauren]

Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know you played me some leaked song.

[Lauren]

Yeah, some song just leaked it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It sounded like John Mayer, though.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Well, with his voice. Magical. It was probably AI, to be honest.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It probably was AI. Yeah. Was that even real? I can't even trust anything these days.

[Lauren]

No, me neither.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, guys, we gotta wrap up for the time being if you want even more tat and. And even more talk about. And just like that, TAT will be joining us on our post show and just after that. But thank you so much for being here today. I'm glad you let me drag you on.

[Lauren]

Yes. Thank you for having me. I really didn't wanna do this. I've been anxious all week. But we did it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We did it, we did it. And you were perfect.

[Lauren]

Anything for you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Aw, love you baby. Bye bye.

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[Lauren]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Paul]

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[Lauren]

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[Paul]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Prescription only Safety info found at Freestyle Libre US.