233: On And Just Like That: Forget About The Boy

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast Summary: Episode 233 - "On And Just Like That: Forget About The Boy"

In Episode 233 of the Every Outfit podcast, hosts Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garoni delve deep into the latest developments surrounding the beloved series "And Just Like That," exploring its potential cancellation, dissecting the penultimate episode titled "Forget About The Boy," and exchanging views on current pop culture phenomena. Released on August 9, 2025, this episode offers listeners a comprehensive analysis enriched with insightful commentary and notable quotes from the hosts.

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1. Speculation on the Cancellation of "And Just Like That"

The episode opens with a discussion about the rumored cancellation of "And Just Like That." Lauren references a Deuxmoi news story revealing that negotiations between HBO and the show's creators broke down over cost per episode and cast salaries, leading to the show's potential end.

Lauren Garoni [02:36]: "So that kind of puts it somewhere in between choosing to end the show. It being a mutual decision between Michael Patrick King, Sarah Jessica Parker, and HBO..."

Chelsea adds her perspective on the show's high production costs, citing the meticulous details like the creation of a marionette doll for a joke and the extensive set redesigns.

Chelsea Fairless [03:22]: "They also recreated the facade of the Gramercy Park apartment... where I assume it is being torn down."

Further, Lauren discusses a Radar Online story suggesting a more abrupt cancellation, emphasizing Sarah Jessica Parker's disappointment over the show's termination without a proper farewell.

Lauren Garoni [04:02]: "...Sarah Jessica Parker is willing to do anything to keep 'And Just Like That' going, except take a pay cut."

The hosts express skepticism about the authenticity of these sources but acknowledge the emotional impact of the show's possible end.

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2. Deep Dive into "Forget About The Boy" Episode

Carrie Bradshaw's Turbulent Thanksgiving

The episode "Forget About The Boy" serves as the focal point of the discussion. Carrie Bradshaw returns to her old neighborhood to purchase pies for Thanksgiving, leading to a series of perplexing events.

Lauren Garoni [14:44]: "Carrie is buying pies for Thanksgiving, which Miranda is hosting and Brady's gonna cook at."

Chelsea and Lauren critique Carrie's apparent negligence in not picking up the ordered pies, highlighting the character's detached demeanor.

Chelsea Fairless [16:28]: "Why do we think Carrie didn't pick them up? Was she, like, one of those really insane Covid people?"

Costuming and Character Development

The hosts commend the episode's costuming, drawing parallels between Carrie's outfits and Diane Keaton's iconic style. They discuss how Carrie’s wardrobe choices reflect her evolving character.

Chelsea Fairless [17:39]: "We all think Diane Keaton when fall rolls around."

Complex Relationships and Plot Twists

Carrie's interactions with Lizette reveal strained friendships and unresolved romantic tensions. The invitation to Friendsgiving becomes a pivotal plot device, hinting at potential relationship developments.

Lauren Garoni [20:13]: "Lisette invites her to a party. A pre-Thanksgiving turn up, also known as Friendsgiving."

Charlotte’s storyline introduces Rock, her child’s involvement in a musical, exploring themes of gender identity and parental expectations. The discussion touches on Charlotte's emotional struggles and the societal implications depicted in the show.

Lauren Garoni [35:14]: "So Charlotte is between a rock, pun intended, and a hard place where she knows that she cannot photograph her child."

Anthony and Giuseppe's Engaging Engagement

The subplot featuring Anthony and Giuseppe showcases a complex dynamic filled with humor and tension. Their engagement at Bergdorf raises questions about Anthony's commitment and future plans.

Chelsea Fairless [46:43]: "Giuseppe proposes to Anthony in a Bergdorf dressing room, which means Anthony isn't as hard up as we were led to believe..."

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3. Announcements and Events

Lauren and Chelsea announce an upcoming 50th Anniversary Screening of "Mahogany" in Los Angeles, inviting listeners to join and participate in related activities.

Chelsea Fairless [09:04]: "We are introducing a screening of Mahogany... on August 22nd at the Los Feliz 3."

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4. Pop Culture Round-Up

"Hunting Wives" Review

The hosts shift focus to the Netflix series "Hunting Wives," comparing it to shows like "Desperate Housewives" and "Get Out." They praise its blend of comedy, drama, and suspense, while also critiquing its portrayal of conservative women and satirical elements.

Lauren Garoni [51:15]: "Guys, did you watch it? Everyone needs to watch this show. It is on Netflix."

"Trainwreck" Series Critique

Chelsea and Lauren express their frustrations with the "Trainwreck" series on Netflix, particularly highlighting episodes like "Poop Cruise" and "Balloon Boy." They discuss the show's format, brevity, and effectiveness in storytelling.

Chelsea Fairless [59:38]: "I have watched a lot of them... If they were just slightly better, like well made..."

Streaming Service Interface Issues

A brief discussion ensues about the inefficiency of streaming platforms' user interfaces, emphasizing the desire for a unified viewing experience across multiple services.

Lauren Garoni [62:06]: "Why can't Apple TV... just aggregate every show I watch on a single screen?"

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5. Final Reflections and Farewell

As the episode nears its end, Lauren and Chelsea express their intentions to continue covering "And Just Like That" despite the show's uncertainties. They hint at future content, including discussions on the series finale and related events.

Lauren Garoni [66:22]: "But you know who's not going dormant? Us. We have to go off and record our after show. We hope to see you there."

The hosts sign off with their characteristic humor and candid remarks, leaving listeners eager for their next episode.

Chelsea Fairless [66:42]: "Every."

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Notable Quotes

• Lauren Garoni [02:36]: "It has become a mutual decision between Michael Patrick King, Sarah Jessica Parker, and HBO."
• Chelsea Fairless [04:53]: "She was all in. She was 100% in."
• Lauren Garoni [14:44]: "Carrie is buying pies for Thanksgiving... leading to this crazy interaction."
• Chelsea Fairless [16:28]: "Why do we think Carrie didn't pick them up? Was she, like, one of those really insane Covid people?"
• Lauren Garoni [20:13]: "Lisette invites her to a party. A pre-Thanksgiving turn up, also known as Friendsgiving."
• Lauren Garoni [51:15]: "Guys, did you watch it? Everyone needs to watch this show. It is on Netflix."

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Conclusion

Episode 233 of the Every Outfit podcast offers an in-depth exploration of "And Just Like That," blending critical analysis with engaging banter. Chelsea and Lauren navigate the complexities of the show's potential cancellation, unpack intricate plot developments, and provide thoughtful critiques of current TV series. Their blend of humor, fashion insight, and cultural commentary makes this episode a must-listen for fans seeking a nuanced understanding of their favorite shows and broader pop culture trends.

Transcript

[Lauren Garoni]

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty? Gray gowns. Beautiful gowns.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Lauren Garoni]

Hi, my name is Lauren Garoni.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garoni]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. I'm a little distracted. We are back in my closet, which was our temporary recording studio. It is now a temporary nursery. Chelsea, I don't know if you've noticed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's getting hoarders y in here at Carrie Bradshaw closet. This is not.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. And I can feel Chelsea. Not just feel. I'm watching Chelsea look all around this closet, which really has not been organized since when I moved in a year ago, and silently judge all of my clothing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I. I'm not judging. Shit. You have some great clothes in here. You have a couple of questionable things, but I'll get into that later.

[Lauren Garoni]

I did pitch for a future Every Outfit TV episode that Chell and Tat style me. Give me a. A postpartum makeover so maybe one day the Fuckettes will see this closet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm so down for that. So when we recorded last week's episode, we had just heard about and just like, that's cancellation, like, minutes before. So now we've had a full week to process this news. How are you feel?

[Lauren Garoni]

Feel okay. Surprisingly enough, I'm okay with this news.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You.

[Lauren Garoni]

How are you dealing with this news?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm also totally fine. However, this show has given us a lot. It's taken away from us in other ways, but it also has benefited us.

[Lauren Garoni]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And we're so grateful to everyone that listens to our recaps and watches this show and continues to watch this show.

[Lauren Garoni]

I want to give special praise to the people who actually stopped watching and just like that, and just listened to this podcast. They're the real MVPs this year. So there's been more gossip, more fallout. I feel like we should get into it. Do you want to start with the Deuxmoi news story, or do you want to start with the Radar online Dealer's choice, Lauren. Okay. On the last Deuxmoi podcast, she revealed that a source said that and just like that was coming to an end due to a negotiations breakdown about the cost per episode and cast salaries. So according to this source, these negotiations started when season three started. Not sure if that means during filming or when the show was airing, and they ultimately could not come to terms.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Hm.

[Lauren Garoni]

So that kind of puts it somewhere in between choosing to end the show. It being a mutual decision between Michael Patrick King, Sarah Jessica Parker and hbo, the way that Michael Patrick King presented it in his statement. And also our feeling that it got cancelled in the sense that they would have done another season, but they ultimately just couldn't for financial reasons, because the show is very expensive. And if you didn't know it was expensive, you can really tell it's expensive from the last episode, where you realize that they one spent seven months making a marionette doll for a singular joke in one episode and also waited until the 10th episode to furnish Carrie's apartment. And as we learned in this episode, had to recreate Carrie's original apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They also recreated the facade of the Gramercy park apartment, which is a real building, but it now also exists on a soundstage where I assume it is being torn down. As we speak, those fake light lilacs are being thrown in a trash can somewhere in Queens.

[Lauren Garoni]

I like to think that there's some HBO auditor who's like, you know, can we maybe move this facade? You know how they move houses sometimes? Like, they put them on a flatbed. It's like, can we maybe move this and put it onto the Gilded Age set? And then on the other end of the spectrum, you have this very salacious Radar Online story.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Radar Online has been breathlessly covering this.

[Lauren Garoni]

Radar Online, an outlet I didn't know still existed. I felt like I was Transported back to 2007.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. How much should we trust Radar Online?

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I would take it with a grain of salt. So they've run two stories thus far. You would think that this is Sarah Jessica Parker's mouthpiece, because they claim friends and sources close to her have given quotes. But mainly the quotes come from this man named Rob Shooter who has a gossip substack where he ran an exclusive. Among other things, he says that HBO told her, but it wasn't a conversation. It was, quote, we're done. No discussion, no collaboration, just final. Which is very brutal. And he goes on to say that Sarah Jessica Parker thought that they were building something long term, that she was all in. What stings the most is how transactional it was. No party, no tribute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was all in. She was 100% in. Wait, was or are?

[Lauren Garoni]

So if you want to believe the dumois source and you want to believe this Radar Online source, what I've gleaned is that Sarah Jessica Parker is willing to do anything to keep n just like that going, except take a pay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Cut, which I kind of just don't believe. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't keep it going.

[Lauren Garoni]

So after we Recorded. And I was thinking about it, that was kind of my theory of like, what if Sarah Jessica Parker, whether she saw the reaction to this season, maybe she had to come to Jesus moment after the Adam Friedland podcast where she was like, I can't do this anymore.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I cannot be asked about Carrie Bradshaw one more time.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, the other thing, I don't believe so this second radar story is like, she's doing everything in her power to revive this series somewhere else. Netflix might be interested. Apple might be interested. And it's like, no, HBO is not going to let this show go and become a movie on Netflix or another streaming service. Because, guys, I don't know if you forgot, HBO has their own streaming service. It's called HBO Max. And just like that, is an exclusively streaming show on HBO Max. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I think we should acknowledge the COVID of the New York Post that came out this week. It was a cast photo of the girls, including Samantha, from what I'm assuming is like season three with the headline they Ruined Sex ultimate show about New York Women gets ax after being Sunk by wokeness. I love that the headline says that, but they're literally all white.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, that is true. I feel like the other horrifying thing about this New York Post cover is it's brilliant, but made us realize that there is literally no newsstands, one in Los Angeles that carry the New York Post. But secondly, we also learned we're basically reduced to one newsstand and it's in the Valley.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So thank you to friend of the pod, Stephen Smith, for buying our New York Posts. We are going to frame one of them for our new office.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know if you read the article, but it's written by a woman named Kristin Fleming and it's a piece of genius, Chelsea, because there's no gossip, there's no intel. It's literally just, I guess Kristen's feelings about the show and kind of going through the controversies over the season. But the article begins with somewhere Kim Cattrall is laughing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, the headline alone tells me that the people that work at the New York Post stopped watching. And just like that, possibly even before season three, because once they got rid of Che Diaz, they really did dial back the quote, unquote wokeness.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, yeah, I mean, last season, Anthony flirted with being a bottom. And if last episode was anything to go by, he's back. Stop. I just love an article made up of nothing, of just conjecture and something someone said, like down the hall in the New York Post Office. Because the article ends with A younger colleague told me this chapter made her sad and was more of a cautionary tale for 20 somethings. It took the air out of the fantasy and ruined the sex.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What's the cautionary tale like? Don't age.

[Lauren Garoni]

I would have said the cautionary tale is like you'll never find love in your 50s or 60s unless you find those people in your 30s to then date again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But that didn't even work out for Carrie.

[Lauren Garoni]

And this young colleague, who I don't think exists, I think might be the writer Kristen Fleming herself had not even seen Lisette's storyline from this episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, also, something else that we need to discuss that we should have touched upon last week is the casting choice for Brady's baby mama. We have since learned that this actor, Ella Olivia Stiller, is Ben Stiller and Christine Taylor's daughter. Which means that she shares the same grandmother as Brady.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right? Because for those who do not know, the actress that played Steve's mother, played by the actress Anne Meara, who is the mother to Ben Stiller.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Crazy.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Brady and Mia are cousins?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Something like that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Isn't that clever, Chelsea?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So before we discuss this episode, Lord and I have a bit of an announcement. We are introducing a screening of Mahogany, a 50th anniversary screening in Los Angeles later this month on August 22nd. It is a 10pm showing.

[Lauren Garoni]

It is at the Los Feliz 3. It is part of the American Cinema Tech Friend of the fest which is a podcast festival. We participated this in 2023 where we introduced Romy and Michelle. We're very excited to introduce Mahogany. We will also be doing a merch table 30 minutes before the screening.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So come for that. And I know what you guys at home are thinking. Don't you just wish that Sarah Jessica Parker recorded a version of the Mahogany theme song originally sung by Diana Ross?

[Lauren Garoni]

Do you know where you go into? Do you like the things that life is showing you? Where are you going to? Do you know? Do you get what you're hoping for? Lila? When you look behind you, there's no open door. What are you hoping for? Do you know? Thank you to the fuckette who called into the hotline and alerted us to this. I did not make it to season three of Divorce. This takes place in the last season of Divorce. After her daughter loses a basketball game, she's trying to cheer up a bunch of pre teen girls.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I also didn't make it that far in Divorce, but I am glad to know that Sarah Jessica Parker did sing the theme to Mahogany because everything comes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Back to Sex and the City.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But anyway, we will obviously put the links to that event in the show notes. Everyone come. It's going to be super fun.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

So they've made two episodes out of one again, right?

[Lauren Garoni]

So I listened to the writers room podcast this week because I was like, are they going to reference that it's a series finale or not? And it's very clear in the writers room podcast that they look at this as a season finale and not a series finale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We also kind of know that because of the way that Kristen Davis has been talking about the show's renewal on Are you a Charlotte? Which has been very much like, we don't know if it's getting picked up yet. That kind of energy we're waiting to hear. So I don't think that she would speak about the show that way. If it was planned that this was the final season.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. And given the way that Kristen has talked about it and also the dumois story, it does feel like perhaps they were trying to negotiate a fourth season up until the last minute or. I don't know. I always wondered when we got news that Michael Patrick King was going to work on a third season of the Comeback, if negotiations for In Just like that broke down and maybe his agents came back and like, okay, if not In Just like that, what about the Comeback?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Yeah. It's just such a bizarre choice if it was, in fact canceled, to announce that they always knew that this was the final season. If for no other reason than if you say that the show is canceled and the fans just get mad at HBO Max. Whereas if you say that this is the planned series finale, people will just get annoyed at the writers again for delivering an underwhelming series finale, because it probably wasn't written that way.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, we'll get into it. It's very clear that it was not written this way.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So this episode is titled Forgot about the Boy. It is written by Michael Patrick King and directed by Michael Patrick King and.

[Lauren Garoni]

Susan Fales Hill, who did not appear on the writers room podcast. I found that interesting. We are firmly in fall, heading into winter. It is Thanksgiving. Carrie is back in her old neighborhood buying pies from her neighborhood pie shop. Chelsea, how did you feel about this new lore that got unlocked?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I love Jackie Hoffman, one of the most iconic New York character actors. It's truly insane that she was never on Sex of the City. So I loved seeing her in this role, and it did make me remember, like, right, she did come to the premiere, and I remember thinking, that's random. And now I know why.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Carrie is buying pies for Thanksgiving, which Miranda is hosting and Brady's gonna cook at. And I guess it's getting very close to Thanksgiving, and no one else is able to order pies because then we get this crazy interaction. Ma', am, this woman has been ordering pies for me every Thanksgiving since I opened, even during lockdown, when no one was going anywhere. She ordered four pies and paid for four pies. She didn't even pick them up. They sat on that shelf till they turned green. That's the kind of neighbor she is. Did you so much as even think of me during the plague? No, you did not. You're too. Croissants a week, at best. Gotta give it up to Michael Patrick King. That is a great diss. You are. Two croissants a week, at best.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So this bit of Carrie Bradshaw lore I find fascinating because isn't it kind of fucked up to let the pies rot on the counter?

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, I was just going to say this. I really feel like the problem within, just like that, is reflected in this piece of dialogue. Because on the surface, it seems generous. However, if you think about it, even for a few seconds, it is incredibly, a gesture that is shallow, hollow, and, like, blinded by crazy privilege. I hate to be the person that's like, someone could have eaten these pies. But, like, someone could have eaten these pies.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or the bakery could have just saved the costs of the materials and the labor if Carrie was just like, I'm placing my pie order. I'm not picking anything up. Don't bother. Just take the money or give them to someone. Why do we think Carrie didn't pick them up? Was she, like, one of those really insane Covid people?

[Lauren Garoni]

That's a great question, because this scene is meant to represent. Carrie is going back to the old neighborhood, which, when I was watching this, I was like, oh, the West Village. And then I had to remember, no Upper east side. And I feel like her and Big still lived on the Upper east side together. So I really have no idea. Again, this is such a reflection of in just like that logic.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I would think that there would be nothing that Carrie Bradshaw would love to do more than walk way downtown to her old apartment.

[Lauren Garoni]

But it's not all the way downtown.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, you're right across.

[Lauren Garoni]

Across two blocks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're right. So there's no excuse for her to not pick up the pies.

[Lauren Garoni]

It makes no sense.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sorry, that took me a while. I'm still processing this episode.

[Lauren Garoni]

Clearly, she's now out of the neighborhood because she finally lives below 30th street because she lives in Gramercy. So she's gone all the way uptown.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can we also talk about Carrie's Diane Keaton esque outfit in this scene? There's something about combination of a houndstooth blazer and a long strand of pearls that just immediately gives Diane Keaton and also Carrie.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, Carrie loves a string of pearls.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True. But it's like the blazer, the cape. Like, Diane Keaton, like, doesn't like to show any skin unless it's, like, her wrist or, like, her ankles. And Carrie Bradshaw is rapidly becoming the same way.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I mean, given the way that Miranda and Charlotte look the previous episode, I feel like Molly and Dani, like, when they hear fall, they Diane Keaton. And they're not wrong.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We all think Diane Keaton. When fall rolls around.

[Lauren Garoni]

Do you know who would love the woman novel?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Diane Keaton.

[Lauren Garoni]

Diane Keaton. And do you know who I think would enjoy a crisp glass of Diane Keaton's red wine with two ice cubes, which is how Diane Keaton drinks her red wine?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Carrie.

[Lauren Garoni]

Carrie Bradshaw.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So she runs into Lisette.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, she's stalking her old apartment, which you called out last episode when we were discussing. You were like, there were paparazzi photo photos of her approaching Perry street, which we gotta remember, is actually 73rd street in the world of Sex and the City. And then just like that. So she is stalking her old apartment while talking to Miranda. And yes, Lizette just happens to be coming out of the apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She asks Carrie about Aiden, which is sad.

[Lauren Garoni]

But again, this is so in just like that. Because it's sad and then confusing because Carrie's response. Right. Lisette's like, I'm such a bad friend because I was dating a guy for seven months. Which one? I was like, wait, are we supposed to understand that Lisette and her are friends? Friends? Because I thought they were more friends in the way of, like, this woman sold me her apartment for far below market value. So, like, once a quarter, I have drinks with her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah, they're definitely, like, once a quarter drinks friends.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, that's why it was weird when Liz. That's like, I'm so sorry that I'm such a bad friend. I just got caught up in a relationship that ended seven months, my longest relationship. And Carrie goes, how are you and Aiden? She goes, we broke up 22 years. That's my longest relationship. You were married too big from 2008 to 2022. Aiden was married to Kathy from, like, 2001 to unknown dates.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay? Lauren's like, slapping her fists together in a way that sounds like it's simulating sex. Just in case. If anyone's wondering what that slapping noise.

[Lauren Garoni]

Is, I'm like Mark Wahlberg in Fear. I'm just, like, pounding my fist over my chest in anger.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Lisette invites her to a party.

[Lauren Garoni]

A pre Thanksgiving turn up, Also known as Friendsgiving. I will say on the writers room podcast, Michael Patrick King couldn't think of the name For Friendsgiving, which I found very funny. Did you have this sinking suspicion that I did, where I was like, oh, fuck, she's gonna buy back her apartment, isn't she?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Because it feels very. Again. And just like that logic where they're like, you know what? She's doing it again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think she will. I actually think she will, which is the scary part. We'll get into that more later. Also, this episode has a meeting with her editor who loves her book, loves the woman, but doesn't think that she's received a completed novel manuscript. Yeah. She's like, where's the last chapter, babes?

[Lauren Garoni]

And Carrie's like, no, no, no, it's done. And then that's when her editor. Which we've never mentioned this before. It was brought to our attention because we haven't watched Gilded Age Season three. Carrie's editor is also in the Gilded Age.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So amazing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Do you think that. And just like that, shot themselves in the foot. Because they just put HBO in a position where they were like, we can only afford one expensive New York show that is exclusively shot on a soundstage that stars Cynthia Nixon and Carrie's editor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So the editor breaks the news to Carrie, like, what you've written is a romantic tragedy, which I thought was funny because I wonder if the. And just like that writers perceive the show that they have written as a romantic tragedy.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's interesting. Well, the. The editor is making the point because Carrie is sort of aghast at, like, a woman ending up alone is a tragedy, which it's. I know it's surprising that I will say this. It is sad that the show is coming to an end at this point because it feels like, ooh, if we could just have begun where we are right now, where we're yet again answering the question from Sex and the City of like. Like, is it a tragedy if you end up single and alone? And the editor's like, no, no, not now. Like, now. It's fabulous. But in 1846, it would be deemed a tragedy. And we really know what the writers are doing. They are intimating of, like, there's nothing scarier than a woman who does not have a man or a partner.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So there's another scene where Carrie has drinks with Seema. And I don't know what happened in this scene. I already forgot.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Seema lets her that the people who own the basement apartment, which, again, I cannot believe that we did not know until halfway through this season that Carrie did not own the entire townhouse, but that the people who own the basement apartment are selling it because Duncan will not be renting again. Which is a double blow for Carrie because she learns that Duncan won't be coming back, even though he explicitly told her he was not coming back. I do love that now that this unknown couple that owns this apartment finally kicked out their tent and who clearly pays below market value. I don't know why that's an obsession of mine for this podcast episode, but now that he's finally out, they can sell it. So seem as like, do you want to buy the apartment for resale value? And Carrie gets very weird again. It made me flashback to the first season when she unloads on Seema. I forget why, but I think when she, like, knocked over the frame photo of Big and it cracked or something. Right? Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

I feel like Carrie's been nothing but weird in regards to Seema, but whatever. But Carrie gets like, very, like, what are you intimating about? If I should buy this apartment and Seema's like, babes. I literally am just. I'm a real estate agent. I don't know if you forgot just asking if you want to buy this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Place also, wouldn't you just want to buy that place just to own the whole building? Like, I get that it's too much space for you. We know this. But since your plan is to clearly sell this place and move back to Perry Street, 73rd street, what can you do?

[Lauren Garoni]

We're supposed to understand with this episode that the universe is pushing Carrie out of her comfort zone of being like, you're single, you're alone. Stop that. That's bad. Even though, haven't we only seen half of this townhouse? I want whatever. I gotta let it go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Carrie goes to Lizette's party, which.

[Lauren Garoni]

Was really the moment where I was like, oh, she's gonna move back and I will give it to. To daddy. Mpk. This was a brilliant fake out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Or at least I'm hoping it's a fake out. And she doesn't ultimately buy this apartment back. So she knocks on her old door. A person she's never seen before opens the door, and she is confused for a moment because there's a wall behind the wall of her apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Her Upper east side apartment has gotten the same sort of haphazard reno that I really associate with Bushwick and Bed Stuy, where it's. There's just a plywood wall that is. Is erected in an open space.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's so funny you say that, because when I was watching it with Paul, who also lived in Bushwick. He was like, oh, this is every Gen Xer's fear that a younger generation's gonna move in and Bushwickify their apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it's also crazy because it's like, we saw Lizette's old apartment, and it was nicer than Carrie's.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is confusing for two reasons. One, her reasoning of why she did this was not for, quote, rent, which I was like, wait, didn't you buy this from her? But two, it's because she doesn't like being alone. Which I was like, you lived alone in the other place. You lived alone. Do you remember this, Chelsea? You so lived alone that Carrie once walked into your downstairs apartment because the door was left unlocked. Maybe you feel unsafe because you pass out and leave the door unlocked. Yeah. So she is living with her friend Ezekiel, and they have split up Carrie's apartment. For those who are not watching the series, you're like, wait, how did they split it up? Well, Ezekiel gets the kitchen because, as Lisette says, who cares? And the living room, where Carrie used to write. And Lisette gets that hallway that goes into the bathroom, which is kind of genius. They both have access to the bathroom, and Lisette gets the closet and the bedroom, which she has turned into not only her bedroom, but also her jewelry studio.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yikes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Lest you forget, she's a jewelry designer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's not looking good in there. And I loved seeing the horror on Carrie's face. Not that I wish this for her. Her apartment is so iconic. It's horrifying to see it be desecrated, even as just a passive viewer.

[Lauren Garoni]

And on the writers room podcast, they were discussing the fact that a detail. I don't know if you noticed this, but they had Carrie's. Whatever. The. The floral wallpaper is a carnation. It was definitely the Sarah Jessica Parker wallpaper collection that they covered over parts of it with black marker because, as they said, that's what a younger person would do.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can see that.

[Lauren Garoni]

So again, this. Two. Two points, right? You can never go home again. And for some reason, Lisette has a conversation with her that no human being would have, where Lisette just keeps being like, aren't you scared to live in that big apartment all by yourself?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but that one line where she's like, you know, I'm afraid of being murdered or worse. And Carrie's like, what's worse? And she's like, I don't know, being kept alive in a cage or something. And then Carrie's like, that's something that would happen on streaming shows. Streaming shows.

[Lauren Garoni]

Wink, wink.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can't. SVU is right there.

[Lauren Garoni]

The line that I couldn't get over is, and I hinted at it a second ago, when Carrie goes, well, I guess whoever said you can't go home again was right. Then we watch Lisette on her phone and we're supposed to understand she's googling. And Lisette just pushes her phone out and goes, thomas Wolf said that. And it's like Carrie didn't say that as a question. And then Carrie approaches her empty ass townhouse and begins writing an epilogue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And she writes Duncan into this epilogue.

[Lauren Garoni]

Epilogue. The woman opened the door to her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Dark home and struck a match to.

[Lauren Garoni]

Light the candle in the vestibule. The glow from the taper illuminated an envelope waiting for her there on the cold marble table below. She broke the blood red wax seal and removed the delicate piece of parchment inside. An invitation from Virginia Perry to attend a party to celebrate the return of her cousin Joshua Perry from London to New York City. The woman folded the paper, intrigued.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This was the handsome widower Virginia had.

[Lauren Garoni]

Spoken so highly of. When I heard this, I texted you and I was like, I can hear Daddy MPK on the Writers Room podcast being like, now that he's in her story, he could be in her life. But I did not get that from him. From this week's Writers Room podcast. Did you also think for a second, Because I was like, ah, Virginia Perry. Virginia's where Aiden's from and she lives on Perry Street. But yet again, I had to remind myself she actually lives on 73rd Street.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we get into Miranda Moanda? So Miranda is real crazy. In this episode, there is a pretty fun little scene, I will say, where Carrie invites Miranda and Charlotte over for drinks. And during this scene, Miranda lets it slip that she has invited Brady's baby mama to Thanksgiving without telling him because.

[Lauren Garoni]

She doesn't think that Mia's going to come and why blow up her relationship with her son for something that's not going to happen? We're now we're dipping back into the doofusication of Miranda and I. I hate to see it. So there's not much Miranda in this episode, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, Miranda takes a back seat.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Miranda and Joy are having dinner. Indian takeout, which Joy remarks is way better than anything she had when living in New Delhi. To which Miranda remarks, oh, I get it, you're fancy. But I'm like, that's not her being fancy, that's just her being authentic. Is it fancy that she lived in New Delhi, I don't know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I'm just sad that she didn't say anything about curry lingus.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, this season will really make you Miss Chef.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So then Brady comes in pissed.

[Lauren Garoni]

He barges in, which really sucks, because as we previously noted, they really figured out what to do with Brady. Like, we were really enjoying him and his brief moments in these episodes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I enjoyed him in this episode as well, because I think that his anger at his mom is completely justified. Like, you can't do that without telling him because Mia has now texted him and been like, yes, I am coming to Thanksgiving. Which is how he found out.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, also in this scene, we get more information because when Miranda initially says she's invited Mia to Thanksgiving, you're like, wait, how are they buddies? How much time has transpired between the two episodes? And she begins explaining to Brady, well, you know, when I went back to the salon to apologize and I learned she wasn't speaking to her mother and had no plans on Thanksgiving, we got a call about this. And I do think it's true because I was like, you know, this is Steve's mother's behavior. We got a call that was like, is Miranda slowly turning into Ma? And I think she might be, which is especially weird because Ma is Mia's grandmother.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, this is completely unhinged. And I liked when Brady was like, this isn't some fucking Hallmark movie, because, yeah, how does she think this is going to go down? This is in just like that. So how could we possibly imagine how this is going to go down?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I also, in true and just like that fashion, like to introduce this tension with literally one episode to go, because it's very clear the way that Dolly Wells is portraying it. This is the first time Joy is hearing about any of this. And there's a moment where Brady's like, come on, Joy, back me up. And Dolly Wells has this look, and I really felt like, oh, my God, Joy is now Carrie. The way Carrie was in the Aiden Wyatt dynamic. Joy is now that person in this Miranda. Oh, yeah, Brady dynamic. And I'm worried that things are going to come to a head in the next episode and that Joy is going to peace out of this situation. Which, honestly, for Joy, I want that for her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think that's going to happen because they've already planted the seeds that she can't deal with people with kids. Basically, she thinks being around people's kids is awkward, even though her child is like a whole ass grown man with a child of his own on the.

[Lauren Garoni]

Way it's just funny that for someone that doesn't want to be around children, she has two nervy. What are they, English?

[Chelsea Fairless]

They're miniature Italian greyhounds.

[Lauren Garoni]

There you go. And Brady shouldn't yell around them because they're scared.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So that's what happened in Miranda's world. Charlotte. Wow. I truly can't wait to get into all of this.

[Lauren Garoni]

We have outlines just so that we're on the same page. And I literally wrote for Charlotte. Charlotte Mrs. Rock being a girl. Question mark, exclamation point. Harry can't get hard. That's the storyline. Oh, sorry, I forgot that Harry is annoyed that they are going to Miranda's house for Thanksgiving because she probably uses white bread for her stuffing and has NPR on instead of the football game.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I was like, wait, are we meant to think that Harry's a Republican? Based on the NPR comment?

[Lauren Garoni]

My question is, are we meant to believe that these characters, in the intervening years between Sex and the City 2 and the Series, never shared a holiday together? They clearly don't have family because we never see their family.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, like the white bread comment, I was like, I personally do stuffing with multiple kinds of bread. Or you could do like a cornbread stuffing vibe. So I was like, what stuffing is? Harry used to, what is his preference? And we, we learn what it is and it is horrifying. Focaccia with oysters and fresh sage.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's how Charlotte does it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is so sickening to me. Have you ever even heard of such a thing?

[Lauren Garoni]

I have not. I also was like, oyster mushrooms maybe? Or like oyster oysters.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think they're oyster oysters. Oysters with focaccia.

[Lauren Garoni]

How do you say focaccia?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Focaccia. Faka. Sorry, bitch. I'm not Italian.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I'm Italian American.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know more than me. You tell me how to pronounce that shit.

[Lauren Garoni]

Focaccia. I'm sure our Italian listeners are like, actually, you're both wrong.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shut the fuck up, please.

[Lauren Garoni]

Anyway, this isn't important because I guess the main driver of Charlotte's storyline is. Is around this moment Rock comes out in their costume for Thoroughly Modern Millie and looks like a girl. Again. What are we trying to do with this?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Looks like a whole ass woman? I would say this makeover was so dramatic, not just because of the gender presentation, but because we're used to seeing Rok look like a little kid, like a child. This looks like a young woman and a flapper at that. Also, the fact that Rock came out in Slow motion.

[Lauren Garoni]

And that's the thing is, for those who are not watching the series, I don't know how to explain the storyline other than Charlotte experiences some kind of gender dysphoria, but for her child.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think that a lot of parents of, like, trans children sort of mourn to a degree or idealize or romanticize the gender that they thought their child would be for sure. Like, I don't think this is necessarily inaccurate, but I'm kind of surprised that we're back here because I thought we had, like, moved on from this portion of the show. I thought we were all good with Rok's gender identity.

[Lauren Garoni]

If I've gleaned anything from season three event just like that, it's that woke is dead, baby.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Is that what this plotline was trying to say?

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know. Because clearly Rock is. I should explain, Rock is not having any kind of dysphoria. It is about Charlotte seeing their child.

[Chelsea Fairless]

As seeing what could have been.

[Lauren Garoni]

I get.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

So we did get a call about the Thoroughly Modern Millie of it all, and they were cluing us into the fact that Thoroughly Modern Millie, they were surprised at that choice because it's a deeply fucked up musical. You know, I am musical dumb, but I did look at the Wikipedia and it's about sexual slavery.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It's about the story of this woman. Spoiler alert. Her name is Millie, and. And her whole dream is to marry a rich man, but she sort of unwittingly stumbles into this international sex trafficking ring situation. And I have never seen the movie with Julie Andrews, which I know is criminal. I have seen the play or I've seen the musical. And I don't know how you would adapt it, like, for a high school production. I don't know how you do a high school in 2025 friendly version of Thoroughly Modern Millie. Rock should be in the gay version of Kevin Cats. You know, the gay trans version of Cats that is actually referenced in this episode. The Jellicle Ball.

[Lauren Garoni]

Indeed. So this storyline was partially inspired by the actor that plays Rock was like, I'm a really good singer, by the way. And Michael Patrick King did not believe her. And she kept saying it. She was like, no, no. I was almost cast in Les Mis. And they were like, yeah, sure, whatever. And they wrote this for her. And it wasn't until she actually recorded the track that she's singing to that, I guess, according to the writers room podcast, Michael Patrick King called in. He was like, can she really sing? And they were like, Actually, she can.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She can. She was great. She looked fab.

[Lauren Garoni]

This was delightful. Didn't need it, but. It was delightful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Didn't need it. But it's also. We have to look at this like this is yet another Broadway reference. I've lost track at this point of how many musical theater references there have been in season three. There have been a lot. And I wonder if that's another sort of Sarah Jessica Parker thing. Perhaps. Perhaps. Because when I think of her, I do think about theater. New York theater. That is one of the things she.

[Lauren Garoni]

Loves and yet never done it on Sex in the City or in Just like that. Yeah, Honestly, I doubt she wants to do another season of it just like that. I'm sure she would much rather be in a musical.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. She hasn't done a musical in a really long time. Like, I think pre Sex in the City.

[Lauren Garoni]

Once Upon a Mattress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think that that was the. Yeah, like the year before.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I think that's what she was doing when she shot the pilot. So. So Charlotte is between a rock, pun intended, and a hard place where she knows that she cannot photograph her child. And so she asked Carrie to do so and send her the photo. And so then there's a very campy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Scene, I must say, one of the all time campiest. And just like that moments when she's looking at the photo and crying.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, yes, Just to build a picture in your mind listener, the camera zooming in on Kristen Davis in her closet while she zooms in on her iPhone of a photo of Rock in their Thoroughly Modern Millie costume. And then Charlotte deletes the photo.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, this show.

[Lauren Garoni]

The other storyline, as we learn, is Harry cannot get hard and that's very upsetting to him. So we get this scene where Harry and Charlotte wake up in their tiny ass bed and she's happy because she thinks he has a boner, but it's not a boner. What could it be? Cho, do I feel something hard against my back? You do.

[Chelsea Fairless]

My iPad.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, I was showing my dick some porn last night to try to remind it what its primary job used to be. I was showing my dick some porn.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. But also, like, not being able to tell the difference between a hard dick and an iPad.

[Lauren Garoni]

Again, it's in just like that logic. But Paul did clue me into the fact of, like, what do you mean he was showing his dick some porn? What are you just like, bringing the iPad down to your D? And by the way, I think that's the grossest line we've ever Heard between Sex and the City and in Just like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I'm checking your daddy's pee pee for cancer was pretty bad.

[Lauren Garoni]

It was funny though.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's true. So we can only assume that the conclusion of Charlotte's three season journey on in Just like that is that Harry is going to fuck her again. Again.

[Lauren Garoni]

Ugh. Wonderful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

On Thanksgiving.

[Lauren Garoni]

So excited for Charlotte. Yeah, I'm sure. In Miranda's guest bathroom, there's also this thing where. Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is he gonna get randomly hard at Thanksgiving dinner? No, the oysters and the focaccia. I just did it for him.

[Lauren Garoni]

Wait, is that why the stuffing has oysters? Because don't they say that oysters are an aphrodisiac?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, that's probably what it is. Is this other thing. In the episode, Harry does not want to spend Thanksgiving at Miranda's house. And he explains the reason that he doesn't he wants to spend Thanksgiving with Charlotte and the family in their apartment is because that was the thing that kept him going during his cancer treatment, is that he thought he was gonna die. And the thing that was keeping him going was Thanksgiving with the family. And this is nothing against Evan Handler in his acting. He's been great in other things. But I thought he was joking. Like, I thought he was doing a manipulation with Charlotte that he just didn't want to hear npr.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, and I'm still not entirely sure that that isn't the case.

[Lauren Garoni]

Anyway, Seema, I mean, Seema gets invited to meet Adam's sister on Thanksgiving. That's it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So does this mean that Thanksgiving will also include Seema, Adam, Adam's sister, and the, like, autistic gardener?

[Lauren Garoni]

His cousin who was his assistant. Yeah, yeah. And some tofu.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's his cousin, not his name.

[Lauren Garoni]

Nephew or. Yeah, maybe his nephew. You're right. Yeah. Anna Tofurkey, I'm assuming, because Seema seems very upset that she won't get to have meat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But Adam does say I love you to her.

[Lauren Garoni]

And Seema says it back, which according to the writers room podcast, she meant genuinely. Although again, Sarita Shattery, great actress. The way that her, as Seema says I love you back to Adam does not feel genuine. It kind of feels like an automatic response, but maybe I'm reading too much into this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You okay? Moving on to Anthony and Giuseppe.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, I'm sorry. Do you not want to spend 5 minutes discussing LTW storyline which has been reduced down to making her husband feel better that he lost the city comptroller election?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I realized something About LTW this season, almost every single LTW plot is actually about her husband. It actually has nothing to do with her. It's like, her husband thinks he's fat. Her husband thinks he's not cool. Her husband is sad that he lost the election.

[Lauren Garoni]

Her husband thinks she's doing too much.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't know. I was kind of on Herbert's side in this episode because basically the whole LTW plot in this episode is that he's lost the election, and now random people are coming up to him at Thoroughly Modern Millie. Be the, like, so, sorry you lost. Sorry you lost. I voted for you. Whatever. Just what would happen to someone that lost an election in New York? And he's clearly bummed out about it. He thinks that he let everyone down, and LTW just won't let him be depressed for five minutes about it. Like, whose side were you on? Because I was on his side. Like, when he was like, can you just, like, go to work and, like, let me be depressed for five minutes. I was like, yeah, fair enough. Let this man wallow.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was going to say I fell for Herbert because during the Middle School Musical, he look like he wants to be anywhere but there. And that would be me. But, yes, you are high. Highlighting an actually real dynamic between couples where you have one partner that's wanting to make the other feel better and the other one that just wants to wallow. And yeah, that is. That is fair.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I feel like that is something where wallowing shouldn't even be frowned upon by society because there is kind of a public humiliation element to losing an election. Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's funny. I don't know why this reminded me of that, but Seth Rogen was talking about when he was promoting the studio, just how big he felt, the. The fallout from the interview and the email hack of Sony, and he had to get private security. And it was. It was the biggest thing in his life. And he was talking about the fact that, like, he was doing a movie with Kate Winslet a few months later, and he was referencing that, and she was like, oh, yeah, that was that thing with the emails, right? Like, it didn't even register that story for her. Like, the worst moment of his life. Life, most people weren't thinking about. Because everyone's thinking about themselves.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right?

[Lauren Garoni]

Which I do think is an important lesson. Like, I get why he's licking his wounds, but also, it's funny, on the writers room podcast, they were like, that scene where he's working from home. They were like, it was city comptroller so he shouldn't be wallowing that much. We didn't have him in bed unable to get out of it. Yeah, but when Herbert rejects ltw, I was like, and now she goes to the editing studio and kisses her hot editor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But nope, no, he's still gone. But apparently he's coming back next week.

[Lauren Garoni]

Is he coming to Thanksgiving?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if he was coming to Thanksgiving. I just hope someone's coming, period.

[Lauren Garoni]

And it's not Harry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope it's ltw and him.

[Lauren Garoni]

Just.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, are we never gonna. She's never gonna finish this doc.

[Lauren Garoni]

We're never getting Michelle Obama. Maybe that was a plan for season four.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I thought, surely this season has to end with the doc comes out. But I don't think she's ever gonna get that moment. Also, I realized something about. And just like that costuming in this episode. I was like, what is it about? And just like that that makes it look so. And just like that versus say, like the way that the characters were styled in the movies On. And just like that, the amount of brightly colored wool overcoats and capes, it's insane. And LTW has like a very insane shocking orange cape in this episode. But that's one of those things that I think is a really heightened costuming character choice, but is something that, like, no one in the real world has.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, other than Demi Moore and the substance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. But she had that one coat she wore over and over and over again. These bitches have closets, like Crayola closets of these things.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was going to say Demi Moore's character in the substance would actually do quite well on. On. And just like that. Okay, last but certainly not least, Anthony and Giuseppe. Giuseppe proposes to Anthony in a Bergdorf.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Dressing room, which means Anthony isn't as hard up as we were led to believe a couple episodes ago.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, by his apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. Because he's buying expensive sweaters for Giuseppe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So they get engaged and then Anthony immediately gets cold feet. I don't know if I need him to marry Giuseppe. I already thought it was weird enough when he married Stanford. You know, like, he doesn't seem like the kind of gay guy that actually would get married, you know, like, he seems like way too old school for that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, also, he basically validates Giuseppe's mother's point because he says to Carrie as he's having this freakout, I cook for him, I shop for him. I don't need a 29 year old well hung baby. And it's like, yeah, that was Patti LuPone's point for literally three episodes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh God, do I have a 29 year old, extremely well hung baby myself.

[Lauren Garoni]

Before we dwell on that, I do want to get into. So there's this exchange between Anthony and Carrie where Anthony reveals that he's having second thoughts. And, and he goes, I know what you would be saying. Why would I get engaged to this man? And Carrie's like, don't worry, you don't need to explain a thing to me because.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So why did I say yes? Because someone I love is down on one knee asking me to marry him. How could I say no?

[Lauren Garoni]

Sister? I hear you, Aiden. A knee, a street, a dog, a ring. Yes. For those who have not seen this episode, I gotta give it up. Mario Cantone as an actor has a horrified face. Because if you think that Anthony as a character addresses that bizarre haiku that Carrie delivers, you would be wrong.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's funny because that dialogue is for the audience at home. It is not for Anthony, who probably has zero understanding of how Aiden proposed. Like they weren't even that good of friends back then.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, like how the fuck is he.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Supposed to know that Pete was involved?

[Lauren Garoni]

A dog, a knee. Which that way that Carrie is speaking feels very similar to Sarah Jessica Parker's outro post dedication eulogy to Carrie that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She posted last week, which was truly amazing. And we didn't talk enough about it.

[Lauren Garoni]

And we're not going to talk about it now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're not going to talk about it now because it'll take too long.

[Lauren Garoni]

But so yeah, I mean that's basically the first part of the two part series finale event. Just like that. I was hoping that the other episode that was clearly broken up was like a. Okay, there's a 20 minute part and a 40 minute part, but they were just two 30 minute episodes and I really doubt that we're going to get an extra long episode. So I hope that Thanksgiving is dealt with very quickly and then we, I don't know, flash forward to Carrie and the release of her book.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did you watch the preview though?

[Lauren Garoni]

Of course. You mean the preview that is listed as a season finale and not a series finale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. So us, we see Carrie in a very Christmassy outfit. What else do we learn apart from the fact that the editor comes back? Not much. We don't actually see any of the dinner. We see that Cari's been set up with Victor Garber, who we failed to mention was also in this episode. Why, I don't know. Love to see him. Never meant to see him but there was no reason for him to be there.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. The other part where I felt slightly ill, where I was like, oh, is she gonna start dating Victor Garber and I now? And as we saw in the preview, yes, Charlotte is trying to set her up with Victor Garber, who is also coming to Miranda's Thanksgiving.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That doesn't bother me at least. Like, Victor Garber is, like, a respectable man.

[Lauren Garoni]

He does have maybe the funniest line of the episode where Giuseppe comes up to the group and is like, did you hear? We're engaged. And Victor Garber's like, that's my favorite part. Because we're supposed to understand he's a serial monogamist. And merrier.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, he's been married three times, which I don't think is that crazy for.

[Lauren Garoni]

A man of that age, metropolitan city, in a. In a business. Like being a gallerist.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, exactly.

[Lauren Garoni]

Honestly, he's due for a fourth wife. Could that be Carrie? Probably not. Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The woman wondered.

[Lauren Garoni]

Chelsea, we have talked about this episode for twice its runtime. Is it time to get into some.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Pop culture news that makes me sick? Yeah, sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

Not even.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, can I get wine first?

[Lauren Garoni]

Sure. Okay, guys, we're back.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Pinot Grigio in hand, which is perfect because we're talking about the Hunting Wives.

[Lauren Garoni]

Guys, did you watch it?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Everyone needs to watch this show. It is on Netflix. If you haven't heard of it. Just imagine Desperate Housewives. But everyone is maga and all of the women are fucking each other.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, see, I would describe it as imagine the true crime female sicko brain if it lived in an open carry state date.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also kind of like a get out type vibe, but about, like, coastal elites sort of being forced to integrate into a more Republican social circle.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's based on a book of the same name. And you are correct. It could also be pitched as like a wine mom version of get out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. But to me, this show is so good because it is exactly what I want, which is some combination of a nighttime soap opera, a straight up comedy, and like a whodunit. It also kind of reminds me of Dead to Me. I don't know if you ever watched that show.

[Lauren Garoni]

I didn't. Which is a huge oversight. It is also, for those who haven't seen it, incredibly gay, which is why you also love this show. And immediately after watching it, we're like, you need to watch it too. And I did not realize how sapphic it was going to be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it just escalates throughout the first season.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Britney Snow Is a caricature of a liberal character who is forced to move with her husband because he gets a good job to a Texas town.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, she's like a coastal elite with like a dark secret and kind of a bad attitude. But she's also down to hang and.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also succumbs to peer pressure. So much peer pressure from, I assume what she initially feels on the surface are simple minded conservative housewives that she is peer pressured into buying a gun. Which will that be her undoing? Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And she sort of falls in with this group of conservative women which is headed up by Margot, played by Malin Ackerman. Imagine like a Melania Trump from Texas. If she was funny.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was gonna say Malin Akerman, who is not blonde in this series. She's brawn, as they say, a brown blonde. And yes, looks like a dead ringer for Melania Trump. Our introduction to her is her with her tits out, which happens maybe like seven minutes into the show beginning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So good. I would lay down my life for this character. Character. I totally understand how Britney Snow gets in over her head with this woman.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I looked into the production history of this show because if you asked me, I could have sworn that this show was put into production after Trump became president because it really feels like what liberals think conservatives lives are like. But this went into production in 2024 and only just came out. But again, it does feel like a liberal's nightmare of what would happen to them if they moved to a small conservative town of like, I'm gonna get spoiler alert. Accused of murder.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I find it amusing that this show actually is a satire of conservative women in a lot of ways. But like, conservative women actually really like this show, which is cool. Despite the fact that they're kind of being made fun of. I mean, they literally are being made fun of.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, what is the satire that all of these conservative Alpha men, their wives are having sex with each other?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think the satire is more. More just the way that their dialogue is written. Like, don't you worry, there aren't any abortion clinics to bomb because of us. You know, it's like that vibe. I love the Preacher's Wife. That's like, I'm just a regular gal. I love to shop and hunt and drink.

[Lauren Garoni]

And also I have a way too close relationship with my son.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I really like the way that they aestheticize a sort of liberal versus a conservative mindset via how their houses are decorated. Because the liberal house is this sort of mid century modern type house with a very like millennial renovation. Whereas the Republican house is like a literal log cabin or like the other house with the stone facade that I guess where the preacher's wife lives.

[Lauren Garoni]

For sure. I call those macaroni grill houses because they just look like exteriors of macaroni grills.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They're amazing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Here's the thing I couldn't get over every time we flashed to Brittany Snow's home. To your point, the mid century millennial Renault house. How bizarre. The mudroom is like right off of the door is this weird non closet. Closet. I don't know. It bothered me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, you realize I would never in a million years notice such a thing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also, later in the series you realize that her bedroom is just on the first floor, even though you clearly see that there's stairs to a second floor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All of that passed me by, but I'll take your word for it.

[Lauren Garoni]

For those who haven't seen it, I don't want to spoil the show itself because there's many twists and turns. It centers around missing women and also a girl that is murdered and it becomes a whodunit. But there's so many twists and turns that when there's a reveal that a girl is found, I go, who's she?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I think it's worth noting that all of the directors for the Hunting Wives are women and two of them are beloved by me for various reasons. One of them, Melanie Mayron, who is the star of Girlfriends. I don't know if you've ever seen this movie. The Claudia Wheel film from the 70s, not to be confused with the Y2K.

[Lauren Garoni]

Era television show, the Tracee Ellis Ross Show. Yes, yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, different movie. She's the star of that movie. She directed two episodes. And then Cheryl Dunye, iconic celesbian director.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who directed Watermelon Woman, who directed the.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Watermelon Woman, did a couple of episodes also.

[Lauren Garoni]

I know. I saw her name on the list of directors and then that made me very intrigued for the show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Show.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then I realized again how sapphic it was and I was like, oh wait, this makes sense.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But yes, do these like very porny because it is soft porn. Pretty much. At times it's like, do a show like that but have a cool director.

[Lauren Garoni]

And also have men in the background. We've yet to get into the fact that it's like, yes, these women are having. I feel like Stefan, this show has everything. Lesbian sex, pegging.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. A truly fascinating spectrum of sexual expression on this show, but I don't think I've ever seen pegging on television or even In a movie. Have you?

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm sure I have. It's not coming to mind, but certainly the police chief is the one that is getting pegged.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

By the woman who is Malin Aerman's lover.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm actually kind of surprised we didn't get pegging on end just like that. Like, maybe like Che and their ex husband season four. I could have cried when the show ended because I know it's going to be so long until we get another season. I need to know what happens. And I genuinely enjoy being in this world. Like, I want to be at that lake house.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. Because as of us recording, the Hunting Wives has not been renewed just yet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it will be.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

If it's not, I'm just going to have to, like, buy a gun and move to Texas and just live my best life.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right. I'll miss you. Now, Chelsea, the events of the Hunting Wives, even though it does take take place, I should remind you, in a fictional town in Texas, doesn't mean if you move to Texas, this will actually happen to you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I like to believe that it would.

[Lauren Garoni]

You can also tell that it was shot pre Trump getting elected for the fact that Britney Seuss character drives a Tesla when it was still looked upon as this liberal beacon car. Totally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, did we mention that Dermot Mulroney is in this show?

[Lauren Garoni]

We have not. And I have to say, say that the shot of him in the last scene, like, this show is incredibly raunchy. And I am not someone that gets shocked easily, but he gets a blowjob at the end of the series. And it is so, in my mind, graphic. Like you. It's not like you see full frontal nudity. But I was like, oh, my God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I like being scandalized, of course.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I feel like this show came out of nowhere. And, you know, as someone that was recently contemplating, like, do I cancel my. My Netflix subscription? Which.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, come on. When have you ever had that thought?

[Lauren Garoni]

That is true. With this podcast, I have every single streaming service, but if I get marketed to from Netflix, one more Train Wreck series.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I know. And the Train Wreck series should be better. However, the Train Wreck series is kind of dependable because of the brevity of.

[Lauren Garoni]

The episodes and also the frequency that they pop up. It's like, once you get done watching, they're like, Balloon Boy, Train Wreck, Poop Cruise.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I watched Poop Cruise. I watched Balloon Boy. I watched Astroworld. What else have I watched? I mean, I've watched a lot of them.

[Lauren Garoni]

The American Apparel one I watched the American Apparel one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm not proud of this. If they were just slightly better, like well made, like they always sort of interview the most irrelevant people I find in the Train Wreck series. If they were just good, it would be the perfect show because basically what Trainwreck has done is, is take interesting stories that would normally be drawn out into like three part six part ten part limited series and they just like tell you what the fuck happened in like 50 minutes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Here's the thing. The first Train Wreck series that they have, I believe is one that they did last year about Woodstock 99. And that is three episodes and that is the perfect length. And I know people have been wanting us to talk about the American Apparel episode. And it's like the American Apparel episode could have been used. I'm not saying six or eight parts, you are correct in that, but three parts, there's too much squished in to one 47 minute episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't think it did the story justice, personally. It's good for stories that you have no previous awareness of. Like, I knew nothing about the poop cruise, for example, which. Has anyone not heard about this? There was this Carnival cruise where they lost power and then the toilets like started overflowing and everyone had to shit and. And bed bags and things just got very dark, dark out there on the open sea.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think because I was raised on mtv, I definitely remember maybe it was like a Cribs episode with no Doubt or someone where they were showing off their tour bus. And I remember then it was mentioned that they could not poop in the bathroom on the bus that they had to poop in a bag. And so that's always been in the back of my mind. So I would have known on the poor poop cruise we gotta poop in bags.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would have rather pooped in a bag than just in a toilet that could never flush. That was also in my bedroom.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sorry, I'm imagining this getting clipped out. Just like Chelsea Fairless once said, she'd rather poop in a bag.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would. But you know what? I'm never going on a cruise ever. Not that I ever have, but I never will because I just watched Poop Cruise and I just watched Amy Bradley. Bradley is missing, which is also on Netflix, which is one of the most upsetting things I've ever seen in my life. But a good true crime docu series, if you want to know the story of a woman that was trafficked off of a cruise ship, a lesbian that is now some sort of like sex slave.

[Lauren Garoni]

Is that what you believe?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Allegedly.

[Lauren Garoni]

You don't believe that she just fell into the.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do not believe that she fell.

[Lauren Garoni]

The deep ocean.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, absolutely not.

[Lauren Garoni]

And could not be retrieved.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Lauren Garoni]

I will say, and this does sound like Netflix spawn, but it is. Is not. I've been enjoying the Shangilla series Tires, which the second season debuted, and it's much better than the first season.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've never even heard of this.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's on Netflix. Can I tell you an issue I have with the Netflix interface? Why do they purposely hide the shit that you're actively watching? Like, when you go back into the app?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, don't even get me started. Why can't Apple tv, like, not to be confused with Apple TV plus, but like, literally my Apple tv? Why can't it just aggregate every show I watch on a single screen?

[Lauren Garoni]

Like, you want at the same time to watch everything that you want to watch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just want to be able to see what I've been watching on all of these various streaming platforms in one place. Shouldn't that be possible?

[Lauren Garoni]

It's funny, when we lived together many years ago, you once watched the View, I assume, on Hulu, and on my Apple tv, it always comes up as things you've just watched. They're like today's View episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I watch the View on Hulu every. Not every day, actually. Not since. Honestly, not since Trump got reelected. It's too dark. I don't need that vibe in my life anymore. Although I did watch the End, just like that episode, of course. But no, I have to, like, search for the View on Hulu always. Even though I watch it, like, much more than your average person. Or at least I have in the past.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I've been refreshing my feed because there are unsubstantiated reports that the View got canceled. Canceled? But that is coming from conservative Twitter accounts. So I don't believe that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, that would really upset me. Even though I'm not watching it now. It's done a lot for me in my life.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, also to the universe. I can't have the View get canceled the same week that the end, just like that series finale is happening. I need my girl focused. Eye on the prize. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It just makes me sad that Rosie o', Donnell, AKA Sister Mary from and just like that, is in Ireland right now and not back on the where she belongs.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, Chelsea, you know, there is a way that we could help Rosie o'. Donnell. I don't know if you saw her latest Instagram post, but she's Selling her Nissan Juke that she bought, I assume, in Ireland. And if we could take it off of her hands, that would really help her out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, she's selling a car?

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. One day ago she posted, I've decided to sell my Nissan Juke. Drove it home from the Nissan dealer and haven't touched it since. Dm. If you're interested, I will give you all the details. I'm too old to learn how to drive. On the left, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love her. She uses the Internet in such a organic way. She's not spending two seconds thinking before she clicks post. You know what I mean? She's like screenshotting someone's Instagram story and posting it on main. Not giving two fucks. And that I admire.

[Lauren Garoni]

Do you remember that time that Mia Farrow wished one of her children a happy birthday and you realized that she had screen capped a Google search of that child to find a photo of that child?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah. And it was just like Mia Farrow children that she had searched for. That's the best.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, we have to go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We gotta go. But we will be back next week to discuss the series finale of and just like that. Can you believe the last recap we.

[Lauren Garoni]

Will ever do until there's inevitably a film about this? They'll do something. They'll do a documentary, they'll do a podcast series. It's not dead. No, it's just going dormant for a little while. But you know who's not going dormant? Us. We have to go off and record our after show. We hope to see you there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See you there.

[Lauren Garoni]

Hear you there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't fucking know. Anyway, bye, guys. Thank you for listening.

[Lauren Garoni]

We'll see you next week. Well, we won't see you next week. I don't know. Shut the fuck up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's end the episode.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, bye, guys.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Every.