247: On Die My Love, Issey Miyake, Library180 (Feat. Nikki Igol)

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast

Episode 247: On Die My Love, Issey Miyake, Library180 (Feat. Nikki Igol)

Date: November 14, 2025
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garrone
Special Guest: Nikki Igol

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Episode Overview

This episode of Every Outfit is a vibrant journey through fashion, pop culture, and new motherhood, interlaced with signature sharp wit and personal anecdotes. Hosts Chelsea and Lauren kick things off with Sarah Jessica Parker’s Golden Globes news, dissect recent cultural moments (from the Devil Wears Prada 2 teaser to Tom Ford’s new film), and review two buzzy new movies (“Die My Love” and “Begonia”). Later, they welcome Nikki Igol—archivist, image researcher, and co-founder of Library180—for an in-depth conversation about magazine culture, fashion obsessions, her time working with industry icons, and personal shopping confessions.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sarah Jessica Parker & Award Show Drama (03:22–11:42)

• Golden Globes Controversy: SJP is awarded the Carol Burnett Award, but will be feted at a new “Golden Eve” event (not the Globes proper), prompting both confusion and indignation from Chelsea and Lauren.
  • Chelsea: “Rude as fuck. I don't get to see Sarah Jessica Parker get her lifetime achievement award.” (04:25)
  • Lauren: “Golden Eve. This is too close to New Year's Eve. Confusing messaging.” (05:08)
• SJP's Booker Prize Jury Gig: She tackled reading 153 books as a juror, with the winning novel being “Flesh” by David Szalay—coincidentally also Dua Lipa’s favorite.
  • “She had to read 153 books in a single year, and she had to deal with all the bullshit we had to say about And Just Like That season 3.” – Lauren (09:54)

2. Devil Wears Prada 2 Teaser, Trailers, and Fashion Notes (14:05–17:44)

• Lukewarm Reaction to Teaser: No real content, just a nod that the film is months away. Debate on whether trailer rollout is too early in the social-media age.
  • Lauren: “There is nothing being teased other than, hey, you saw paparazzi photos all summer...” (14:30)
• Iconic Footwear & Fashion Satire: Discussion of Miranda Priestly’s (Meryl Streep) Valentino rockstuds as either period detail or product placement.
  • Chelsea: “The Devil Wears Prada Too is a period piece set in the 2010s...or this is paid product placement for Valentino.” (14:30)
• Trailer Music Critique: Madonna’s “Vogue” is dubbed “way too on the nose.”
  • Chelsea: “That should be illegal. Let’s do a little more critical thinking about the music choice.” (16:16)
• Speculation: Charli XCX may eventually remix “Suddenly I See” for the sequel.

3. Tom Ford, Anne Rice Adaptation, and Cast News (18:05–20:12)

• Tom Ford’s Film “Cry to Heaven” Confirmed: Notable casting includes Nicholas Hoult, Aaron Taylor Johnson, and Adele (!).
  • Lauren: “Adele will be making her movie debut. In this film.” (18:49)
  • Chelsea: “Finally a reason to live. Truly.” (19:50)
• Discussion of Location, Production, and Aesthetic: Anticipation is high for a late 2026 release.

4. Issey Miyake x Apple iPhone Pocket Collaboration (20:13–24:52)

• Apt Tribute to Apple & Issey Miyake’s Design Legacies: The collaboration echoes Steve Jobs’ signature look and Miyake’s iconic tote bag.
  • Chelsea: “These Issey Miyake people...need this just because it matches everything else in their wardrobe.” (21:40)
  • Lauren: “If you’re Issey Miyake curious like myself...I can see myself purchasing this.” (21:54)
• Functionality and Design Geeking: Many ways to wear; praised for design advancement and cultural synergy.
  • “That’s not just good design. It’s like design that has advanced us further as a civilization.” – Chelsea (23:09)

5. Movie Reviews: “Die My Love” & “Begonia”

“Die My Love” (26:13–36:45)

• Overview: Latest from Lynne Ramsay starring Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson; a harrowing yet glam look at new motherhood & psychological unraveling.
  • Lauren: “If you are like us and love films about glamorous women having nervous breakdowns...this is the film for you.” (25:04)
• Themes: Postpartum anxiety/depression, rural isolation, dark humor, and the complexity of love and self-rediscovery. Both hosts relate these themes to their lives and pop culture touchstones.
  • Chelsea: “I wouldn't even say that she's slowly unraveling, like pretty much from the jump. This bitch was outwardly crazy.” (27:26)
  • Lauren: “You can love your child and hate how your life has changed.” (28:58)
• Performance Praise: Jennifer Lawrence and Sissy Spacek are lauded for powerful, raw portrayals.
  • “Our favorite genre of film is glamorous women having nervous breakdowns.” – Lauren (31:41)
• Memorable Quote:
  • “Die My Love is if Carrie moved to Suffern with Aiden and they had a child...and she went fully insane.” – Chelsea (31:15)

“Begonia” (38:35–48:34)

• Overview: New Yorgos Lanthimos film starring Emma Stone and Jesse Plemons; bleak, stylish satire with contemporary relevance.
  • Lauren: “So this film is the latest Yorgos Lanthimos movie starring Emma Stone...a high powered executive at a pharmaceutical company...” (39:10)
  • Chelsea: “Jesse Plemons is incredible. And he got a real make under for this film.” (41:52)
• Plot & Themes: Kidnapping plot, class politics, conspiracy, and moral ambiguity. Contemporary takes on misinformation.
  • Lauren: “A lot of overlaps with contemporary culture right now and conspiracy theories.” (41:14)
• Aesthetic & Performances: Emma Stone’s shaved-head look; Alicia Silverstone in a career-wild departure; emphasis on production design.
• Industry Commentary: Discussion on box office returns and budget allocation; the big budget spent on the film’s striking ending.
• Notable Moment:
  • “Actresses that shave their heads almost always look cooler than they do with hair.” – Chelsea (42:16)
• Meta Note:
  • Nod to the growing presence of podcasters and comedians in film, exemplified by Stavros Halkius’s cameo.

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6. Interview: Nikki Igol & Library180 (49:53–end)

Library180: Vision, Genesis, and the Magic of Print

• About Library180:
  • “It’s a place in New York where one can come to simply just do image research. Nothing’s for sale...it costs no money to come in.” – Nikki (52:32)
  • Focus on restoring the tactile joy of flipping through magazines and fostering concept development.
  • Nikki’s collection is the backbone—Details magazine, paper, early People magazines, and rare finds.
  • “If there was a fire and I had to get out with what was left in my arms, it would be my Details magazine collection.” – Nikki (53:58)

Archiving & Magazine Culture

• Shift in contemporary magazine quality and consumption ("I stopped purchasing contemporary magazines at around 2012ish." – Nikki, 55:30)
• Importance of archiving tabloids and lesser-saved publications like People and National Enquirer.
  • “We need to be preserving the tabloids.” – Lauren (57:32)
• Personal curation based on celebrity moments (“every Caitlyn Jenner cover,” “Brangelina breakup coverage,” etc.)

Fashion Confessions, Shopping Antics, and Working with Icons

• Nikki’s notorious RealReal ban:
  • “They told you, you spent $130,000 in a year and returned $125,000.” – Lauren (64:53)
  • Nikki’s defense: “When I purchase, I like to purchase 20 things at a time...I create a want list and items from that obsession list get purchased.” (64:18)
• Trickery in college—using parents’ book money for designer fits at Blake in Chicago (“I told my parents that the bookshop was called Blake’s and they gave me money for books.” – Nikki, 66:22)
• Barney’s subterfuge: Hiding goods in staff-only spots for deep discount purchase.
• Style & Brand Loyalty: Fran Drescher bodycon looks, “slutty Italian” designers, and an affinity for Yohji Yamamoto and Comme des Garçons for mental health “uniforms.”

Working for Pat McGrath

• Dream job as archivist and reference hunter—describes environment as creative “feeding.”
  • “She just needs to consume inspiration. I’m her archivist, which is endlessly amazing.” – Nikki (59:48)
• Not a makeup “queen”—prefers skincare, glowy skin, and bare beauty.
  • “I’m just trying to not look haggard out in these streets.” – Chelsea (63:13)
  • “I just want a nice glow to the skin. That’s it.” – Nikki (63:16)

Fashion Takes, Trends, and Rapid-Fire Questions

• Spring/Summer 2026 thoughts: Praises YSL, mixed on Margiela mouthpieces (“Allow yourself to be suspended for however long this show is lasting...just get into it.” – Nikki, 75:41)
• Quick games: “Marry, Fuck, Kill” with Yoji, Tom Ford, and Vivienne Westwood—decisions based on practical and spiritual style affinities.
• Closing vibes: Indulging in weed, mimosa-fueled fashion chat, and buying more books.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Sarah Jessica Parker’s Award:
  • Chelsea: “Rude as fuck. I don't get to see Sarah Jessica Parker get her lifetime achievement award.” (04:25)
• On SJP’s Booker Prize Reading:
  • Lauren: “She had to read 153 books in a single year, and she had to deal with all the bullshit we had to say about And Just Like That season 3.” (09:54)
• On Devil Wears Prada 2 Teaser:
  • Chelsea: “The Devil Wears Prada Too is a period piece set in the 2010s...or this is paid product placement for Valentino.” (14:30)
• On Issey Miyake iPhone Pocket:
  • Chelsea: “That’s not just good design. It’s like design that has advanced us further as a civilization.” (23:09)
• On “Die My Love”:
  • Chelsea: “I wouldn't even say that she's slowly unraveling, like pretty much from the jump. This bitch was outwardly crazy.” (27:26)
  • Lauren: “You can love your child and hate how your life has changed.” (28:58)
  • Chelsea: “Die My Love is if Carrie moved to Suffern with Aiden and they had a child...and she went fully insane.” (31:15)
• On Begonia (Yorgos Lanthimos film):
  • Chelsea: “Jesse Plemons is incredible. And he got a real make under for this film.” (41:52)
  • “Actresses that shave their heads almost always look cooler than they do with hair.” (42:16)
• On Library180:
  • Nikki: “It’s a place in New York where one can come to simply just do image research. Nothing’s for sale...it costs no money to come in.” (52:32)
  • “If there was a fire and I had to get out with what was left in my arms, it would be my Details magazine collection.” (53:58)
• On Shopping Addiction:
  • Lauren: “They told you, you spent $130,000 in a year and returned $125,000.” (64:53)
• On Personal Style:
  • Nikki: “I really like a slutty Italian. There’s a huge part of you that is also the Comme...and Yoji for sure.” (69:24)
  • “I wish. Although I will say this. I bought an Alo...I'm in the gym five days a week, for sure. It’s because I love my food.” (70:28)
• On Working for Pat McGrath:
  • Nikki: “She just needs to consume inspiration. I'm her archivist, which is endlessly amazing.” (59:48)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:22 – Discussion of Sarah Jessica Parker’s Golden Globes snub and event confusion
• 09:54 – SJP’s Booker Prize judging, “Flesh” by David Szalay
• 14:05 – Devil Wears Prada 2 teaser analysis and shoe symbolism
• 18:05 – Tom Ford’s “Cry to Heaven” & cast excitement (Adele!)
• 20:13 – Issey Miyake x Apple iPhone pocket collab analysis
• 26:13 – “Die My Love” movie review: themes, performances, personal resonance
• 38:35 – “Begonia” movie review: plot, satire, performances, pop culture connection
• 49:53 – Nikki Igol interview: origins & vision of Library180, archiving philosophy, shopping scandals
• 59:48 – Work with Pat McGrath, beauty and inspiration
• 69:24 – On evolving personal style, designer loyalties
• 73:44 – Quickfire fashion questions (Marry/Fuck/Kill; Spring/Summer 2026 hot takes)

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Tone & Style

The episode is candid, irreverent, jargon-literate but accessible, and laden with self-deprecating humor and stylish asides. Listeners feel like they’re overhearing a cosmopolitan friends’ brunch that touches on everything from high fashion to grocery-store tabloids, all delivered with an encyclopedic knowledge and a wink.

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For Further Exploration

• Movies Discussed: “Die My Love,” “Begonia” (current theater releases)
• Library180: A destination for magazine and fashion history fans, located in the Financial District, 180 Maiden Lane, NYC.
• Follow the Hosts: @everyoutfitpod on Instagram

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Summary Verdict

Whether you're a fashion obsessive, pop culture vulture, or simply love backstage stories, this episode blends new releases, industry gossip, and deep-dives into archive culture—topped off with a raucous chat with one of fashion media’s great behind-the-scenes minds. Don't forget: “If you fuck with this podcast, you’re definitely going to fuck with this movie.” (Lauren, 35:16)

Transcript

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[Lauren Garrone]

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty?

[Nikki Igle]

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[Lauren Garrone]

10 to my armor breath. Oral the swings.

[Nikki Igle]

Great gowns.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Lauren Garrone]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit Podcast. Chelsea, I have not seen you since we last recorded because you went home for the weekend for your dad's 90th birthday. How was that?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is a big birthday. 90th can you fucking believe? In was amazing. His party was so cute. We threw this really cute dinner party for him with all of his closest friends. Tat came up with me, as did our friend Yolanda Leni, who's one of my best friends and she's also a photographer. And we spent a couple of days photographing my dad on the eve of his 90th. So in some of the photos he was 89 and in some of them he was 90.

[Lauren Garrone]

I wonder if you can tell the difference. Not so much.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But he's in great shape for 90. Might I say no one would ever think he was 90.

[Lauren Garrone]

We should say the wonderful Ben Fairless does not look like a 90 year old man. My husband also has an older father. His father is 89, will be turning 90 next year. Paul would say this. Paul's dad definitely looks 90. Like there are photos of when Paul was a child. And I said, how many people asked if your grandfather was picking you up from elementary school? He goes all the time. Happened every time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I love that me and Paul have the old dad thing in common. But yes, my father is a stealth 90 year old.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh, I like that phrase.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure, for sure. But yeah, it was really, it was really amazing shooting him and we're gonna make a little zine out of it. So I'm excited to work on that. But anyway, later in the show, we will be joined by our dear friend Nikki Igol to talk to her about her new library. But. But first we must discuss some Sarah Jessica Parker news.

[Lauren Garrone]

Things that Nikki would not care about.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, things that Nikki wouldn't give two shits about.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know, we have often debated, is it worth recording this podcast later in the week? Should we do it at the top of the week? And it's moments like this that reaffirm that we must record this podcast towards the end of the week. Because if we didn't, we would have missed the news that broke this morning. The that, yes, Sarah Jessica Parker will be awarded the Golden Globes Carol Burnett Award. However, she will be fetted at the Golden Eve event airing Thursday, January 8, 2026. So not at the Golden Globes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Rude as fuck. I don't get to see Sarah Jessica Parker get her lifetime achievement award. I mean, I will watch the Golden Eve special, obviously, but I'm imagining that the majority of the people that watch the Golden Globes will miss that.

[Lauren Garrone]

So when we were reading the press release, it stated that this was the second annual Golden Eve to which you and I were texting each other going, excuse me, this is exactly shit that we would know about. And it's not exactly the second Golden Eve. I did some research because last year Ted Danson received the Carol Burnett Award, but it was ant an event called the Golden Gala.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, the Golden Eve thing is happening on January 8th. This is too close to New Year's Eve. This is confusing messaging. We don't need even the title.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I guess it's no longer Dick Clark's Rockin Eve, is it now Ryan Seacrest Rockin Eve?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have no fucking clue. I just think that our girl deserves more. Our girl is a Golden Globe winning actress, by the way.

[Lauren Garrone]

I imagine that it's going to be like, you know how the Academy Awards, they have their version of this, they have their honorary Academy Awards ceremony, that's the Governor Awards, and it's its own event. But then during the Oscars, they have like a little package where they're like, look at this evening we hosted months ago. Look at all of these people who got awards. They are here tonight. Clap for them. They won't get on stage. And I have to imagine it will be something similar to your point of like, we're calling this Golden Eve. This is too close to New Year's. So the Golden Globes will be happening the following Sunday, January 11th.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's not even the Eve of.

[Lauren Garrone]

The Golden Globes, Chelsea. What's even spookier is in the press release they highlight that this is all part of Golden Week, a broader week long event in Los Angeles to build excitement for the Golden Globes. Stop it. Stop it. Golden Globes. You're already too close to New Year's, frankly. You need to move your award show to the middle of the month.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Don't they know that? Like, that is a hard week for people. Like, you're trying to recalibrate and get back into the mindset of doing work and stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

More than that, Chelsea, you are unpacking all of the family bullshit you just went through during the holidays. And now I need to go to like a Botox pop up at the Chateau Marmont to celebrate the latest season of Hacks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, while I just started my Whole30 diet and my dry January. Hell no.

[Lauren Garrone]

Chelsea, did you see the post on the Golden Globes Instagram about Sarah Jessica Parker getting the Carol Burnett Award?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I must have missed that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I didn't exactly think that this was the effervescent Sarah Jessica Parker because the color grading makes it look like she's going to be doing a guest spot on svu.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. Wow. That's crazy. It looks like she's getting her own new Law and Order show, right? That's crazy. Now if anyone has ever seen like the thumbnail on Hulu for what Law and Order looks like, it looks like this photo of Sarah Jessica Parker.

[Lauren Garrone]

So the Golden Eve will not only celebrate Sarah Jessica Parker, who is winning the Carol Burnett Award But Helen Mirren will be getting the Cecil DeMille Award, which is for film. The Carol Burnett Award for television.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

And it will be airing Thursday, January 8th on CBS and streaming on Paramount. Plus, according to the press release, we can look forward to career retrospectives, never before seen footage, personal stories, and conversations with the hon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but who's presenting her with this award?

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh, that's interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope it's Amy Sedaris, but they'll probably want someone more famous.

[Lauren Garrone]

My mind went to Andy Cohen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, you're right. That's absolutely who it's going to be.

[Lauren Garrone]

I would love for it to be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So you're giving him more work right.

[Lauren Garrone]

After New Year's, this man will still be hungover from his CNN New Year's Eve broadcast with Anderson Cooper. I would love to say that it would be Matthew Broderick, but I feel like Sarah Jessica Parker, while she does show up with Matthew Broderick to events, does not like to a mesh her life in that way. However, Mary Steenburgen is the one that presented Ted Danson last year during the Golden Gala.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, so he got the award at the Golden Gala and he also got the Honorary Emmy this year? That worries me a little bit because.

[Lauren Garrone]

He'S looking a little too tall, a little too slender, and now he's getting these lifetime achievement awards.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like that can't help but set off alarm bells.

[Lauren Garrone]

You're like, I'm never going to get my Three Men and a Larger Lady. What is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that would be a great title, especially in 2025. Well, the rumored sequel was called Three Men and a Bride.

[Lauren Garrone]

That makes a lot more sense. What I meant to say was Three Men and a Whole Ass Grown woman.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is a great ring to it.

[Lauren Garrone]

I thought so, too.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So, in other Sarah Jessica Parker news, she also judged the Booker Prize this week. This has been an ongoing project for her. She was one of five people selected to be on the jury for this very prestigious literary award. She had to read 153 books in.

[Lauren Garrone]

A single year, and she had to deal with all the bullshit we had to say about. And just like that, Season three. This woman has been through a lot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, to be fair, it's good that she had that as a distraction.

[Lauren Garrone]

Good point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But this very interesting New York Times piece came out this week about this, and she was talking about what the realities of that looked like. And she basically said, like, I didn't go out. Like, at a certain point, Matthew Broderick just stopped asking her, like, do you want to go to this Play or do you want to go to this restaurant? Or like leave the house?

[Lauren Garrone]

Andy Cohen stopped asking like, do you want to go to Via Corona?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, she was talking about like doing press junkets for and just like that and trying to like read in between the interviews and stuff. And that sounds totally insane. And much like the character of Carrie Bradshaw. Like a weird blurring of reality and fiction.

[Lauren Garrone]

Do we know what book won?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, the book is called Flesh by David. I don't know if his name is Zalay or Sizza Le. It's spelled like Sza.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I feel like the least we could do is read this book.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It is a rags to riches story about a Hungarian man and Dua Lipa apparently loves this book.

[Lauren Garrone]

She has great book taste. Not that I care about Dua Lipa or her engagement to. I can't even remember. Who knows Callum Turner? I think that's his name. Anyway, they were reading the same book and the night that they met they discovered that they were both reading the same book and they fell in love.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think that's cute. Although it would be funny if it was a very like mass market book.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, it was the Pulitzer Prize winning historical fiction novel Trust, about a 1920s Wall street tycoon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anyway. What?

[Lauren Garrone]

We once again have the honor of doing an ad for the RealReal, which is truly where Chell and I spend most of our time on the Internet when not researching for this podcast. And you know why? Because the RealReal is the most trusted name in authenticated luxury resale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's the holiday season and I will be buying gifts for my friends and my loved ones on the RealReal. But I will still be buying things for myself. And I just did this week, actually. I got myself. It's like a stuff silver. It's this kind of like bulbous acne silver necklace that has this puffy kind of heart charm. It's still in the store on Melrose Avenue, but I found it for a quarter of the price on the RealReal.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, on that note, Chelsea, we both say that the other person is impossible to get a gift for. And I don't want to get you something this holiday season that's bound to be returned or worse, ends up in a landfill. So I thought that we could go through each other's real, real obsessions and buy something for each because as we know, the RealReal offers thoughtful, sustainable, one of a kind gifts that are up to 90% off retail. And I think that's a win win. Chell, great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can you buy me an $800 poochie caftan.

[Lauren Garrone]

Alright, I'll be making the decisions. Okay, we're switching phones.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Lauren, I would think you had a corporate job based on some of these choices.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I would think you were cosplaying as Carrie Bradshaw with some of these selections you've made.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would say I'd get you this houndstooth Armani blazer, but you need to buy that immediately because it's so cheap and I fear that someone will buy it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I feel the same way about this Mugler vintage 1990s pantsuit. You know what? Let's not wait till Christmas, Chelsea. Let's buy each other these things now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, this has been fun, but isn't it the time for the call to action?

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

No, literally, like that's an urgent emergency. That's a beautiful jacket.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't particularly have many thoughts on the Devil Wears Prada to teaser but something tell the Fuckettes would like to know our thoughts. Well wait, I do actually have one thought. This is not a teaser. There is nothing being teased other than hey, I know the entire summer you saw paparazzi photos of this movie. But just so you know, in about seven months this movie's coming out. It's like thank you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, much has been said about the fact that Meryl Streep Miranda Priestley is wearing Valentino rock stud heels. And I think that could mean one of three things. The Devil Wears Prada Too is a period piece set in the 2010s. Miranda Priestly has become a MAGA Republican and it is set in the present day or this is paid product placement for Valentino. There's no other explanation.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, is Alessandra Micheli even allowing those shoes to still be produced?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure it's still their top selling product, but it is truly one of the few items of clothing that I completely associate with conservative women. That and those lubes with the covered platforms.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Certain kinds of lubes read Republican and.

[Lauren Garrone]

You'Re saying Louboutin's not lubricant.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

For those who maybe missed the teaser, it's literally Miranda Priestley gets into an elevator, the doors are about to close, and up Annie gets in. That's her name, right? Anne Hathaway, she plays in Andy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Andy.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know, Steven Soderbergh had this great point that trailers for movies should really come out a month before the movie is supposed to come out. He said this a few years ago. I think our attention spans have worsened. I think we need to make that like two weeks before a movie comes out because that is the most attention you're gonna have on the film. Like the first trailer you release.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

So I don't know why we had to release teaser, which really doesn't have anything in it. Like, I've seen more of the movie in the paparazzi photos than what was presented in this teaser trailer, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The teaser also used Madonna's Vogue, which, I'm sorry, guys, way too on the nose. That should be illegal. Let's do a little more critical thinking about the music choice you wanted.

[Lauren Garrone]

Azealia Banks, new Bottega, literally anything.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I say that as a Madonna fan. I just think that it sort of cheapens the whole thing in a way.

[Lauren Garrone]

I agree with you. And I think the amount of, like, soundtracks Charli XCX has done for cool and contemporary films firmly like Plants, the Devil Wears Prada too, as a different thing. That, to your point, feels very 2010s than necessarily 2025 or 2026.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know what, Lord, I bet the second after this episode drops, it will be announced that Charli XCX is doing a remix of KT Tunstall's Suddenly I See for the Devil Wears Prada too.

[Lauren Garrone]

I just imagine that Charli XCX's London flat is just a never ending stream of emails that are like, hi, will you do a remix of this song for this trailer?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she committed to a lot of this shit before Brat even came out. Like this movie with Anne Hathaway and Michaela Cole.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right, right, right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That has yet to come out. But I know that some of these Wuthering Heights Charlie songs have come out. I haven't heard them yet because I've been literally off the fucking grid in Humboldt county for the last four days. But it's so cool that she got John Cale to be on one of those songs.

[Lauren Garrone]

I've listened to that track. It's pretty fucking cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure it is.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm sorry, Bronte. Loyalists, including my cousin. The movie looks good. It visually looks good. The soundtrack looks good. There seems to be yearning. That's all I need from a film, especially on Valentine's Day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I just want something horny and glamorous to watch.

[Lauren Garrone]

Speaking of horny and glamorous, Tom Ford's new film, which we talked about a couple weeks ago. It has been confirmed. It is indeed an adaptation of Anne Rice's novel Cry to Heaven. But the cast has been announced. As I predicted, Nicholas Hoult and Aaron Taylor Johnson will be in it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We actually did some really correct predictions about this movie.

[Lauren Garrone]

We love these two men. They've already been in his movies. It is a film that is about two men. A Venetian noble and a castrated singer. Which one's which do you think?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have no fucking clue.

[Lauren Garrone]

My money is on Nicholas Hoult as the castrated singer. But more importantly, back to the cast. Adele will be making her movie debut. In this film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We knew there was going to be a singular redhead. I couldn't have in a million years imagined that that redhead would be Adele.

[Lauren Garrone]

I know. I don't see Julianne Moore anywhere in this casting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, to be fair, Adele has dialed the hair back. I think she now is more of a strawberry blonde or even a honey ish blonde. But I always think of her as being a redhead.

[Lauren Garrone]

The book and the movie is set in the world of opera, so I have to imagine that she is probably an opera singer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense because when I think of Adele's fashion sense, I think of body con dresses with long sleeves and that's basically like what late era Tom Ford looked like for sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

Another Tom Ford favorite. Colin Firth. I'm saying Tom Ford favorite. The man has made two films, but Colin Firth will be in the film. Paul Bettany, Owen Cooper, who was the boy from adolescence.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That makes sense. I mean, that kid is chic as fuck.

[Lauren Garrone]

Hunter Schaefer and Lux Pascal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Finally a reason to live Truly.

[Lauren Garrone]

So the film is currently in pre production. It says according to Deadline in London and Rome. I assume they are filming in those locations. And principal photography will happen early next year with an anticipated release date of late autumn 2026. Truly a reason to get to next fall.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow, what a relief.

[Lauren Garrone]

Chelsea, this news broke while you were in Humboldt, but did you see that there is now an Izzy Miyake iPhone pocket?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I did. Thank God. What? Is there backlash?

[Lauren Garrone]

There's definitely not backlash. I mean, it's a collaboration. That makes sense if you know about Steve Jobs, of course. He famously wore an Izzy Miyake black turtleneck, which then Elizabeth Holmes knocked off that idea, which made it way less cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, Izzy Miyake, an iconic accessory designer. Can you even imagine how many units of that foldable tote have been sold at the MoMA Design Store over the years?

[Lauren Garrone]

That's very true. Finally, someone that works at Apple was like, hey, we could be getting in on that, because do you remember this is not their first foray in, like, covering your Apple product. Do you remember the ipod sock?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Lauren Garrone]

Look this up. I swear, once you see it, you will remember that this product, wow. Existed. It was a set of, like, five different colored socks that you could put your ipod in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow. It almost worked. Like, if Izzy Miyake had been in charge of this, it would have looked good. But I completely forgot about that. I think this is a genius product because I love that it can be worn multiple ways. You could wear it as a crossbody. You can sort of like loop it around, like the strap of a handbag and make it more of a bag charm. But also, like, these Izzy Miyake people, they live, like, full Izzy Miyake lifestyles. Like, they need this just because it matches everything else in their wardrobe. This is actually a hyper functional product for a hardcore pleats please person.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, even if you're Issey Miyake curious, like myself, I mean, I can see myself purchasing this. I do find the press release for this kind of funny because it says that the iPhone pocket was inspired by the concept of, quote, a piece of cloth, which it's like, no duh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like everything he ever designed for pleats please Also, it also says that.

[Lauren Garrone]

It'S designed to fit any iPhone as well as all pocketable items need.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would want the black one, though.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was gonna ask you what color.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't need to be, like, making a statement in that way.

[Lauren Garrone]

So the iPhone pocket will be available tomorrow online and in select locations. The short strap design retails for 1:49 and the long strap design retails for 229. I think I might be a short strap girl.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm a short strap. Because what you actually need this for is like an evening bag. Kind of like a situation where you just have your phone and your lipstick.

[Lauren Garrone]

See, I need this for when I'm scrolling around with Morty, because these strollers don't have a holder for your iPhone. And when I'm strolling with the baby, I want to collect my steps. So I need something on me, and I want it to be chic.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think this is great. It's also just like, in terms of collab culture, there are very few people that have had the impact, in a design sense, on the level of Apple and Izzy Miyake. That's not just good design. It's like design that has advanced us further as a civilization.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's frankly shocking that it took this long for it to happen. Yeah, this definitely works better than. I don't have an Apple Watch, but remember when they collaborated with Hermes to do and like, various brands to do the straps?

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I thought that smart. But to me, like, as a design object, the Apple Watch doesn't speak to me. I don't think that it's bad looking necessarily. I think it's more neutral than anything. But it's not something that I look at as a fashion object or a design object that I think is brilliant in the way that the computers are, of course.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I can't believe that they haven't relaunched the laptops from the early 2000s that look like handbags. The one that Aiden got Carrie, I know in my motherboard myself that she got all pissed off about where it's like, girl, actually, you would love a laptop like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And I hope you still have that laptop. They still, to this day, look so good. I mean, my mom had the desktop version of that with the different colors back in the day. Yeah. I think she had an orange one. It was amazing. It really was. And this feels a little bit in that world. It does feel like, like 60s futurism, in a sense.

[Lauren Garrone]

It feels like they're finally getting some Steve Jobs back in the design.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

This episode is brought to you by mubi, the global film company that champions great cinema. From iconic directors to emerging auteurs, there is always something new to discover. But today I want to talk to you about MUBI's latest release, Die, My Love. Chelsea and I got a chance to see this film and let me tell you, if you are like us and love films about glamorous women having nervous breakdowns, and this is the film for you, Jennifer Lawrence plays a writer who moves into a house she inherited with her husband, played by Robert Pattinson, and their infant son. And she slowly begins to unravel. If you are a new mother, I think you will feel very seen. I know that I did. This film marks the return of our fave Lynne Ramsay. Die, My Love charts the complexity of love and how it can transform and change over time. And finding yourself again after becoming a mother. Die, My Love is now showing only in theaters. Visit mubi.com dye My love for showtimes and tickets. And to stream great films at home, you can try Mubi free for 30 [e-mail] every outfit that's m u b I.com every outfit for a whole month of great cinema for free. All right, is there anything else pressing in pop culture we must discuss or can we move on to some of the movies we've seen recently?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, let's move on to movies.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, so we both saw Die My Love and Begonia. What should we talk about first?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's do Die My Love.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure. Yeah, let's go from the whimsical world of Apple to a harrowing depiction of the last six months of my life.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Perhaps I was gonna ask, have you killed any dogs lately?

[Lauren Garrone]

Spoiler alert. Well, my dog did die before I had my baby. I mean, there's a lot of overlaps with My Life and Die My Love. So just to go back for a second, Die My Love is the latest film from Lynne Ramsey, our girl who has also done other searing depictions of motherhood like we need to Talk About Kevin.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Just searing depictions of women. I would say in general. She truly is one of the greatest to ever do it.

[Lauren Garrone]

So this film follows Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson. They inherit a cabin in the woods from Robert Pattinson's uncle. Jennifer Lawrence is a former writer, she has a six month old son and she's slowly unraveling. And Robert Pattinson doesn't seem to notice and instead thinks getting a dog will be a great idea for them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I wouldn't even say that she's slowly unraveling, like pretty much from the jump. This bitch was outwardly crazy. But yes, the Robert Pattinson being the naive husband and he really is picking up where John C. Reilly left off. And we need to talk about Kevin.

[Lauren Garrone]

Although unlike Tilda Swin in We need to Talk About Kevin, Jennifer Lawrence, way more horned up, way hornier.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, I know that her deteriorating mental state is the result of her being in this claustrophobic domestic situation and her roles as a mother and as a wife. But also she doesn't hate the baby that much like she hates Robert Pattinson in the dog more than she hates the baby.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I think that the film is depicting postpartum depression, anxiety, potentially psychosis at times where. Not that I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I would say I did not constantly masturbate.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh no, that I did. There's this moment to me, obviously, Lynne Ramsey is an incredibly transgressive filmmaker. And in Every movie, there's something where you're like, whoa. For me, it was that scene where she goes to what you believe is her writing office that she doesn't do much writing in. And she's just breastfed the baby and she's got some ink, and the breast milk goes over the ink and sort of merges together on the page.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Brilliant.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I did not experience postpartum depression. But I did experience some postpartum anxiety. And, you know, you can love your child and hate how your life has changed. And I think most women who've had babies can relate to the fact that, like, you love your partner and it doesn't matter how involved they are, you are still the default parent. It still falls on you. Having said that, Robert Pattinson not doing a lot to support her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. And she is in an extreme situation in that she has moved from a city to an incredibly rural area. So she's not just isolated because she has a young child and is the primary caregiver. She's geographically isolated as well.

[Lauren Garrone]

Much like mother, if you think about it, Jennifer Lawrence has kind of never not been a mother.

[Chelsea Fairless]

If you think about it. These are definitely the two best Jennifer Lawrence movies. And I'm glad to see her in this because normally the kind of films that she is in just do not speak to me like, I am not an X Games. I like. I.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sorry, no, no, no.

[Nikki Igle]

We're keeping that in. It's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's in X Men and she's in Hunger Games.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. So I think it's fair that you called it X Games.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm not into that X Game shit. Nor am I into the specific kind of Oscar bait movie that she's usually in, which is the Joys and the Silver Linings playbooks and all of that shit. Don't care about those movies either. She's great in them, of course, but, like, not shit. I fuck with.

[Lauren Garrone]

Basically, her David O. Russell oeuvre, American Hustle. Although I do love her line of saying science oven. She is a maternal figure in Hunger Games. Right. She takes her. Why am I saying right to you? You haven't seen the Hunger Games, but she takes her sister's place in. In these Hunger Games. Chell. She is a divorced woman in Silver Linings Playbook. She's a mother in American Hustle who's somehow in her early 20s, but married to a balding Christian Bale. Whatever, Joy. She's a mother. Mother. She's a mother.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, even in Winter's Bone, it's like she's not the mother, but she still kind of has to, like, take care of her siblings and shit. It's giving mother.

[Lauren Garrone]

To put it another way, Die My Love is if Carrie moved to Suffern with Aiden and they had a child.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And she went fully insane, that is exactly what this movie is.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, yeah, there's this scene, and you see it in the trailer where Jennifer Lawrence is rolling around in the grass losing her mind with a knife. And that definitely would be Carrie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I wish we got to see Carrie get fully feral in the way that Jennifer Lawrence does in this film. It's actually kind of shocking to witness just because she is such a mainstream actress.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's an astonishing performance, and I think why the movie resonated for us so much. Not just because I am a new mother, but we've talked about this on the podcast. Our favorite genre of film is glamorous women having nervous breakdowns. And during our live show, we put a list together of the elements of these movies and Die My Love kind of hits every single one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

We like to say that the eye makeup is a cry for help. Jennifer Lawrence has, like, mascara streaked cheeks for half of this movie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's also a question of if things are real or imagined. Like Lakeith Stanfield's entire character, for example.

[Lauren Garrone]

And did Jennifer Lawrence cause a forest fire?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there's also questions about, like, is this place haunted or is this woman fucking crazy?

[Lauren Garrone]

And these are the questions we love when films ask them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And it's also bringing something new to the genre because I don't think we've had a lot of films about mothers in this genre. New mothers, where the mothers are this horny.

[Lauren Garrone]

The mothers are this horny. And she is a good mother.

[Nikki Igle]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

As a new mother, I did not care for that scene where Robert Pattinson convinces her to leave the house and just leave the baby alone in their house.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that was on him, and then he couldn't get it up. I wonder why. I really liked that early sex scene in this film that was shown quickly in this really insane montage. I feel like that is a Lynne Ramsey hallmark to have these moments that feel very punk, where music is used very effectively or where rock music is used very effectively.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah, the movie does a good job in. It begins with them taking ownership of this home. You imagine the sex scene that you're referencing is the act of consummation that produces this child. And there's all of this excitement of, how are we going to make this house into a home? And then, you know, flash forward and the reality is hid, and it's not what they imagined it to be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Also, how have we gone this long talking about this movie without addressing the fact that Sissy Spacek is in this film?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, my God. Sis. Yes. Sissy Spacek is Robert Pattinson's mother, and she is incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And she really adds so much as she does to every single movie she has ever been in. She's really one of the greats. And Nick Nolte also. So nice to see Nick Nolte. I've seen Basic recently because I just watched Dying for Sex, which was. Is so amazing, but I haven't seen him in a hot minute, and he gave a small but very affecting performance as, you know, an older guy with dementia.

[Lauren Garrone]

That also illustrates how aloof Robert Pattinson is to the realities of his life.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It also is interesting how this film does have a very dark sense of humor within it. I would never say it's anything resembling a black comedy, but there are these moments in it that are quite funny. Like her altercation with the clerk at the store.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. Who keeps asking her very placid how are you doing? Questions, and she's like, why? Why are you doing this? Basically, she is saying out loud our internal monologue when people try to make small talk. Or maybe I'm just revealing too much about myself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course, everyone's been in that situation. And also when she's making small talk with that random mom that she runs into at that party. But again, the humor is so dark, it's almost imperceptible. Same goes with we need to Talk about Kevin.

[Nikki Igle]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

If you fuck with this podcast, you're definitely gonna fuck with this movie. We need to have our own Siskel and Ebert. Like, two thumbs up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, you're right. We'll work on that. And if anyone has ideas, when we.

[Lauren Garrone]

Have the studio, I want to do movie reviews the way that Siskel and Ebert used to do it, where their backs were towards the camera, and then they would turn around to talk to the camera.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, totally. So good. I brought this up when we discussed Hocus Pocus on one of our VIP episodes recently. But I was shocked to learn, like, how young I was when I started watching Siskel and Ebert, because I know I had seen this, the Hocus Pocus episode, which would have been in 1993, when I was nine years old, watching these old guys talk about movies.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I feel like our parents would just put that stuff on for us. Like, that was on Saturday or Sunday night.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It wasn't even that. I Just I didn't have cable, so it was just one of the few things that I could watch on pbs, I think, or. Where was it?

[Lauren Garrone]

I feel like it was on ABC again. Well, famously, Chelsea, it was a syndicated show. You know how I know that? Because we wouldn't have Oprah if not for Roger Ebert. Because Oprah was a local show. And she said to Roger Ebert, her former boyfriend, or at the very least, they went on a few dates, my.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Favorite thing in the world.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oprah asked Roger Ebert, she said, you know, they're asking me to syndicate my show. I don't know if that's the right thing to do. And he said, ah, you gotta do it. And then we got Oprah nationwide.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Thank God.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think we were talking about time.

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Anyway, it's great. You should go see it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, go see it. See it in a theater. Really commit.

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[Lauren Garrone]

You know what I did see in the theater? Begonia, a movie that has been out for a few weeks. Went and saw it at our beloved AMC at the Grove. I got tickets the night before. I'm giving so much details just for the fact that like I did not get prime seats. I was near the front. This movie was near sold out on a Wednesday night.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, well I hope that didn't affect your feelings about this film because that could make me hate anything.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, having to look up at a 40 foot screen shot in VistaVision was interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So this film is the latest Yorgos Lanthimos movie starring Emma Stone?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yes, it's the latest Yorgos Lanthimos film with Emma Stone and Jesse Plemons. Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I missed kinds of kindness though. Did you see that?

[Lauren Garrone]

I got about halfway through it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I saw the favorite. I saw Poor Things, of course. Missed that, saw this. It is a lot of Emma Stone movies to be making. But that said, it's like I loved this. Not as much as I loved the favorite or Poor Things, but I thought it was great.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't think you should be speaking poorly of the woman who is using her powers as a multi Oscar winner to produce the Miss Piggy film written by Kola Scola. You put some respect on her name. She could do as many Yorvis Lanthimos films as she wants.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do respect her. And you know why? Because I was just flipping through cable the other day and the house bunny came on. I'm like, somehow this woman went from being like the random sorority girl in the house bunny or like the love interest in Super Bad to a woman that has two best actress Oscars. In what world?

[Lauren Garrone]

It's the beauty of Hollywood, baby.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So if you're wondering what the fuck this film is about, pretty simple plot. Emma Stone plays a high powered executive at a pharmaceutical company who is very much embodying the evil girl boss trope. And Jesse Plemons and his cousin played by Aiden Delbis, are these two disenfranchised working class guys who kidnap Emma Stone because they believe that she is an alien from another planet.

[Lauren Garrone]

Did you know that this film is a remake?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I had no idea.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, it's a remake of a 2003 Korean film called Save the Green Planet. It's very similar plots. I watched an interview with Yorgos Lathamos and he was saying that they basically took the logline. They didn't rewatch the film, but they made it their own. And there's a lot of overlaps. With contemporary culture right now and conspiracy theories.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I was about to say it makes way more sense now than in 2007.

[Lauren Garrone]

And the script was written by Will Tracy, who wrote the menu. He's also written a couple episodes of Succession, and it does have that very sharp cultural satire. You know, there's a sequence. I don't really think that this is a spoiler, but Jesse Plemons basically discusses the entire pipeline that he's gone through, from extreme right to leftist to everything in between.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Jesse Plemons is incredible. And he got a real make under for this film. You know, when I saw him, I was like, oh, my God, this is like, what? Like when I run into some guy that I went to high school with that I haven't seen in 20 years who's been working for the lumber company. Like, it's giving this vibe.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, you want to talk about a make under. You see it in the trailer in the Presto. Emma Stone shaved her head for this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Movie, but she looked really cool. And actresses that shave their heads, like, they almost always look cooler than they do with hair. Like, if we're thinking about Samantha Morton in Minority Report or your favorite film, Demi Moore, of course, in GI Jane, you know, it's always a glow up. And they never stay bald. They just look really cool in red carpet photos for like a year. And then they have little bobs again.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, Emma Stone did this funny thing where I don't know what the event was, but while she was shooting Begonia, she had to be on the red carpet for something. And she wore a wig to hide the fact that her head was shaved.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It looks great. Her whole look in the film is pretty major.

[Lauren Garrone]

All of the touches. I mean, the production designed. The house that Jesse Plemons lives in with his cousin is incredible. And just the details of that also, you know, putting Emma Stone's executive character in the. They're called the so Kates, right? The one that Law Roach has made Zendaya wear since she was 14 so she can comfortably walk in them. I was like, that's a nice detail.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I like that. Kate Moss disclosed on Bella Freud's excellent, excellent podcast Fashion Neurosis that she can no longer wear the so Kates, the shoe that was named after her. She's like, this shit is too high. I stopped wearing them in the Pandemic. And now I can't go back to the so Cade.

[Lauren Garrone]

This film is so brilliantly casted. We've already talked about Jesse Plemons. Emma Stone, the character that plays Jesse Plemons cousin named Don is someone who is autistic. He is incredible in the film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's the performance, I think, really of this movie or the one that I think. I hope he gets all the awards, truly. And the character itself, the way he is, it has a strong Lenny from Of Mice and Men kind of vibe. This is clearly someone who is more morally sound, perhaps than some of the other characters in the film.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was gonna say yes, he is the moral compass of the film. I knew from the can red carpet of Begonia that Alicia Silverstone was in the film, but completely forgot when I started watching it. She is shown in flashbacks in these very haunting black and white, very Fellini esque at points, flashbacks. And she's also incredible. It's how you learn that Jesse Plemon's character, his family is intersected with Emma Stone's character and her nefarious company.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Seeing Alicia Silverstone like this was crazy. And it did because her dialogue was so extreme. It was a little bit campy if you took it out of context. But this role, it sounds like the role that was described to Goldie Hawn in the First Wives Club, the movie.

[Lauren Garrone]

That Timothy Oliphant wants to make with her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. It is the least glamorous character she could possibly play. And she's like an American Horror Story level Up mom or Scary Mom.

[Nikki Igle]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, this is a very bleak film. I feel like there are two kinds of Yorgos films. There's the favorite and Poor Things and then you have your dog tooth, your killing of a sacred deer. And I feel like Begonia is more in that vein and I'm more of a favorite Poor Things girl.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Although I do appreciate this year we've gotten so many of our auteurs, from P.T. anderson to Yorgos Lathamos, making contemporary films, not being afraid of that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, it's incredible. Despite the fact that it is a remake, it is very much commenting on what is going on now in terms of misinformation and wealth inequality also and the increasing power that corporations and people like Emma Stone have. But the ending, we are not going to spoil it, but it is a really great ending.

[Lauren Garrone]

So a lot has been made of films that have come out recently where it's like Begonia's budget was $50 million and it only made 4 million its opening weekend. I don't know if that's true, but you know, there's been a lot of like, well, it hasn't made its budget back and I remember seeing the budget of Begonia before seeing it. And being like, I mean, it takes place in two locations, it seems, her office and Jesse Plemons home. And then you get to the ending, which again, we won't spoil. But like, that, I think is where the majority of the budget went to.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, for sure. And worth it. Might I just say. So worth it. So visually striking, so funny. It completely flips what you kind of assume. The political messaging of the film is absolutely.

[Lauren Garrone]

I have to say, as someone who saw this film just this week, I was also watching Vince Gilligan's new show, Plurvis. And so there's a lot of stuff going on in the media right now about are we alone? Are we not alone? Do they come in peace? Do they not come in peace?

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know, I love that.

[Lauren Garrone]

So it's a real. We're in a real UAP world right now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We also, isn't there a noteworthy podcaster in this film?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, so funny you should mention that, Chelsea. Yes. Comedian and podcaster Stavros Halkius, who has a yearly calendar of which often features himself nude, which I have outside in the office. Oh, wow, that nude portly Greek man that's on my cork board is Stavros Halkias. Yes, he. He plays a cop in the film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who must have missed that.

[Lauren Garrone]

And as I keep saying, podcast after podcast, podcasters keep winning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, they do. And I do encourage our listeners to see both of these films, preferably in movie theaters. They're really good. Although Begonia is dark, much funnier than Die My Love.

[Lauren Garrone]

But if you're a new mom and you have some new mom friends, go see Die My Love together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Actually, both of these films are great examples of the horrible things that can happen to you if you choose to have kids. Or if you don't choose to have kids.

[Lauren Garrone]

Jesus. And on that note, let's go to our chat with Nikki.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Today we have a very special guest. She is an image archivist, a researcher, an author and the co founder of Library180. She is also one of my closest friends. Welcome to the pod. Nikki Igle.

[Nikki Igle]

It's wild to be sitting here with Lauren Yu and Chelsea. You.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We've had a wild ride.

[Nikki Igle]

We really such a long friendship and.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We'Ve known each other for 17 years. Nikki and I met at V magazine when we were both interns. I have a question for you and you have to be honest. Have you ever listened to this podcast before?

[Nikki Igle]

One time with you in the car on the way to P town.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right, Because I was doing the edits. You fucking bitch. No, I actually don't care. I know you haven't listened because I've definitely talked about you many times before. And I was like, she'll never hear that.

[Nikki Igle]

I'm just a visual person, so I'd rather absorb my. My audio anything through television or. Or movies.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, you need pictures to go along with the audio.

[Nikki Igle]

Words and pictures.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, this makes sense given your profession. But we had to ask because our listeners have asked us if our family and friends listen to this podcast to which our responses. They get it in real life.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's true. We have our group chats. We don't need podcasts.

[Lauren Garrone]

Do you want to tell the listeners what the group chat is called of which I'm not in this group chat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, the real thick vagina one. I think I've brought this up before.

[Nikki Igle]

Have you?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that is what our. Our group chat is. Is called. Nikki is a huge barb.

[Nikki Igle]

Massive. Massive. And I don't care what anyone thinks about me for being so.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know you don't care. That's a barb mentality right there. So we ask all of our guests this. Which Sex in the City character do you most closely identify with?

[Nikki Igle]

There's a bit of each one of them in me, except for Charlotte. I don't connect with her on any level.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she is Jewish. No, you're like, not even that.

[Nikki Igle]

Not enough for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, Jewish enough.

[Nikki Igle]

Not Jewish enough. I. So I. I hate to admit it, but. But Carrie Carrie constantly making mistakes, you know, not thinking things through, following. I mean, she follows her heart a lot, you know, which is great, a great thing to.

[Lauren Garrone]

To do.

[Nikki Igle]

And I. I like to think that I do the same.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was gonna say reckless financial fashion choices, but we'll get into that in a little bit. We will. We've all been there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think you're a bit of a Samantha, though, because you don't give one fuck. You have a thought and you say it. Which is one thing that I really love about you.

[Nikki Igle]

Like, I've had my foot in my mouth many times.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, so for those who don't know, what is Library180? So.

[Nikki Igle]

Okay. Library 180 is a place in New York where one can come to. To simply just do image research. It's just a resource library. Like nothing's for sale. You can't check anything out. It costs no money to come in. And you're just allowed to be there for as long as you like. Your only option is to engage in books and magazines and to like, start your concepting. It's the first step in any ideation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Nikki Igle]

Is research. So that's where you just go to. To flesh that out or to get lost in. In a time that you remembered. There's lots of printheads that come in who are my age or even older who come in and just want to remember what it felt like to sit with a stack of magazines and go through them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's so true. Nothing hits like the feeling of being at a Borders or a Barnes and Noble back in the day, in the 90s, getting like a full stack, everything, every edition of Vogue and just looking through every single thing.

[Nikki Igle]

They never kicked you out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, they didn't.

[Nikki Igle]

No. You didn't have to buy it. It's just perfect.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So the books and magazines in this library are entirely from your personal collection of stuff you've collected over the years, which is insane. What's the most major thing in the collection? Or what would you take if there was a fire or something?

[Ad Host 1]

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[Nikki Igle]

Ok. So number one on that list. If there was a fire and I had to get out with like, what was left in my arms would be my collection of Details magazines. Only because it's. It was like the birth of my obsession was Details was the first magazine I'd ever seen. It was the first time I'd seen fashion photography. Honestly, nothing's ever beat it since. It's not like I came across a mediocre magazine and then found better ones. I've only found ones as good as details. And so for me, like, the. The sentimental value is just too much for me to ignore. I think George Wayne's Rome is incredible. I love that I have two issues in there. Talk about a creative genius. George Wayne. He was the gossip columnist for pretty much every cultural New York culture magazine. And we're talking details, paper, interview. And he was there during Graydon Carter's time at Vanity Fair. And yeah, what he did with Rome, he basically faxed pages of his favorite magazines and created just like a tight edit of fantastic photos. Yeah. Kim Hassriter came and donated the first few years of paper, which is incredible.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's.

[Nikki Igle]

It. The one that is in newspaper format. The really hard to find ones, probably those three are like, I would go after. Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Are there any contemporary magazines that you buy? Is there anything good out these days?

[Nikki Igle]

I stopped purchasing contemporary magazines at around 2012ish. All the contemporary fashion magazines, like the Systems and the re editions and the double magazines, like all of those, they kind. I have the first full runs of them, like the first years, but they kind of stop it in 2012.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do think System is quite good.

[Nikki Igle]

System is fantastic.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I read System online. Yes, right, right, right, right. What do you have, like, the most of in the library in terms of like, quantities of issues of a certain publication? So you mentioned that you got the original, like, early paper magazines. What other donations have you gotten since you started?

[Nikki Igle]

Yeah. So, okay, George Wayne gave us a few copies. Kim Hastrider for the papers, the full run of colors, which is awesome. Cecilia Dean and James Collariados gave us great, great amount of, I would say the full collection. But we're missing just a few of Visionnaire, so that's really cool to see in its near entirety. Some man read about us and his father was the original publisher of People magazine, so he donated the full first decade, which is awesome to read.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's incredible because, like, no one saves magazines like that. No one saves People. No one saves Us Weekly. They save life. They save National Geographic.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

But beyond that, for some reason, no.

[Nikki Igle]

One thought to save People and National Enquirers and Stars. But what's really hard to find is like a soho News or a Village Voice, because those were so throwawayable too. And the paper, what I like to say, but what people did, you know, talk about throwaway people, they tossed them and it's like whoever did save them, the paper quality is. Is newsprint. So it like crumbled if it got to today, you know, where at least People magazine, like the, the print, the paper that they use was it held up.

[Lauren Garrone]

We need to be preserving the tabloids.

[Nikki Igle]

That is definitely true. These, I mean, what tabloids do you like now? Because you used to be a big. Us Weekly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Still buy Us Weekly, but only if it's a really good cover and it's a celebrity I really care about.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Nikki Igle]

Like I've always leaned towards Inquirer because it's just. I love the layout. Us Weekly. I hated, I hated the layout.

[Lauren Garrone]

They've changed a lot. Like they have tried to become a, a fashion entertainment magazine more than a tabloid. Like, I like going back and buying old tabloids from my adolescence more than anything. But Chell has a great philosophy, which is you curate. Basically you collect magazines based on concepts and curations. Like every Caitlyn Jenner cover of something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I have a Kardashian collection, I have Eliza Minnelli collection, I have a Brangelina sort of breakup collection. Like things like that. I have a lot of Madonna.

[Nikki Igle]

Someone reached out to me and offered his entire Madonna collection and it spans like 300 magazines. And this guy, he collected everything. We're talking like all the Face and Dazed and Tattler. She was on Tatler like maybe a few times. And each photo was incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, well I'm coming to see that immediately.

[Nikki Igle]

And also some woman last week we picked up. Her name was Deborah Shaw and she's like an 80 year old costume designer and she donated the full run of US Vogue from 1980s to 2023. So that's. Wow, that's at the library. Yeah, but it isn't out on the floor yet because to me it's really important that I look through every single donation that we get. So I'm processing it now and I'm going through each page like, like, you know, just I want to absorb this magazine before I put it out so I know what I'm talking about. If people have questions.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So library180 is a non profit and starting a nonprofit. This sounds like a rich person's passion project.

[Nikki Igle]

Oh, I wish.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Believe me, I know.

[Nikki Igle]

Only.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But you actually have a full time job working for Pat McGrath and it's truly the coolest job that I've ever heard of. Can you explain to our listeners what you do do for Pat and how did you go about getting a job like this?

[Nikki Igle]

My job for her. When you work on a level of creativity like Pat, you just constantly need to be fed visually. It's like living, breathing and eating for her. She just needs to consume inspiration. I'm her archivist, which is endlessly amazing because I get to work with the eyelashes that were on the Galliano, the Egypt show. I get to work with the mesh that was on the face. I'm so fortunate, honestly. But for her, she also needs a component of just being fed visuals. So when we do a launch a new cosmetic piece, she starts off the process of needing inspo. This stuff comes from a deep knowledge of references. It doesn't come off of Pinterest. You need to do the work. We just work together and find cool stuff. And I show it to her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It sounds like a dream, truly. Do you call her mother?

[Nikki Igle]

I call her mama, like she is. I'm so lucky that she's a close person in my life.

[Lauren Garrone]

What does she call you? Do you call her mama? And she's just like, thank you, Nikki.

[Nikki Igle]

No, she definitely doesn't call me Nikki. She's never. She hasn't referred to me by Nikki in a really. I can't. It would sound weird coming out of her mouth. She likes to call people chicken. And, you know, she's British, so it's very darling. The conversations that I've had with her, one on one, tell me all I need to know. It really shows me how much she loves me. She's been to the library, she's given me her support, which is. Is incredible. And she just allows me to do this. Like, I can't even. I can't thank her enough.

[Lauren Garrone]

But most importantly, what have you learned about beauty from a beauty brand? No shade. We all are not someone that wears a full beat, but yes.

[Nikki Igle]

Okay, so like Chelsea, you. You can attest to this. I'm not a makeup queen. You've probably have never seen me wear makeup once. I mean, maybe once you wear mascara.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you wear that one lipstick I wear.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, you better say It's a Pat McGrath lipstick.

[Nikki Igle]

You know what? No, she knows the truth. I tell her all this all the time. I love this one lipstick by merit. I love it. It's called 1990 and I do love it. However, Pat, what I wear every day, and this is no joke, is the Rose Essence Face water. Like the. The essence.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do that.

[Nikki Igle]

I don't even know what it's called. I can't live without this product. It's two things. It's the rose water, and I love her. The cream. The new rose cream. I. Yeah, that is good. That is good. So that's.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's.

[Nikki Igle]

That's what I do. And. And her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Her.

[Nikki Igle]

I like to apply the Balm the blush. But that's it. I don't. I tell her. I mean, she knows that I don't like makeup.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she's not wearing a ton of makeup either.

[Nikki Igle]

No, no, no, not at all. Not at all. Makeup was like a tiresome thing that I found during girlhood. I just couldn't get it. Like I just, I didn't want, I just, it was a waste of time. And that followed me through adulthood.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Same. And I think that people think, you know, because we're both people that have major interest in fashion, people assume that you also would have an interest or know a lot about beauty. Obviously I have an interest in beauty. Like when I think about like fashion photography and stuff like that.

[Nikki Igle]

Sure. Yeah, exactly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I have zero interest in beauty as it pertains to myself, so.

[Nikki Igle]

Right. Zero.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can you imagine using makeup as self expression?

[Nikki Igle]

No, I can't. I don't relate to that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm just trying to not look haggard out in these streets.

[Nikki Igle]

I just want a nice glow to the skin. That's it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Your skin, but better.

[Nikki Igle]

My skin, but better. My skin, but better.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So, Nikki, you're such a behind the scenes person that it's been truly thrilling for me to read interviews with you recently. I want to talk about this profile that the Cut recently published.

[Nikki Igle]

Oh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because you disclosed some truly bizarre details about yourself. One of which is that you were banned from the Real Real. Is the Real Real a sponsor for this episode?

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know. They might be. Oh, God.

[Ad Host 1]

I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How do you go about getting banned from the Real Real?

[Nikki Igle]

My shopping philosophy is I like to try things on. I, I'm just not someone. I don't have a body where I can just, just choose items and know they'll fit. You know, Plus I have like fantasy frocks. You know, like I, I, when, when I purchase a lot of stuff, I like to purchase 20 things at a time. The. I think that's the maximum amount of items that you can get.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm sure you've tested it.

[Nikki Igle]

You know, I, I create a want list and items from that obsession list get purchased. So it like fuels my anger towards the real real.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, by the way, we have discussed this in our Real Real ads. Kelsey's philosophy, she's encouraged people. You got to put your things on the obsession list. I have also talked about not pulling the trigger on certain items and then losing them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh no. It's the day you decide to buy it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is when it goes.

[Nikki Igle]

It is, it is. It's. It's the burn that is so real.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but in this article you say that you got banned.

[Lauren Garrone]

They told you you spent $130,000 in a year since.

[Nikki Igle]

Since joining. I never even wanted to shop online in my life to begin with. I was very game on RealReal. So when people have been knowing about RealReal for years, I had just discovered it. So at that time, it couldn't have been too far in because this happened a few years ago. Okay.

[Lauren Garrone]

And you would think that the RealReal would give you awards or benefits, but then you learned that you had returned $125,000.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I understand why they're like, this bitch isn't worth it.

[Nikki Igle]

I mean, but why scold me like that? Because I purchased. Make a purchase. Like I said, It's 20,000. It's 20 items. But sometimes I'll throw in like a $7,000 Gucci dress just to have fun for a second, just to try it on.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're crazy for that. Okay, so what are some other crazy things that you've done in the name of fashion? Like, I remember you said that you didn't have textbooks in college because you spent all your money at Aina.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's true, by the way. A very Carrie Bradshaw thing to do. Truly.

[Nikki Igle]

So I worked at this clothing store called Blake in Chicago. And it. It was the first to carry Driese in America to. To carry the full line of Dries. And Marilyn, Blake and Dominic are the two owners who are incredibly amazing people.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I would with.

[Nikki Igle]

So with my discount from the store, with the money also they gave us money to shop, shop so that we could wear the clothing like when we were in the store. So there's an allowance. And also I told my parents that the bookshop that I from this. Like, I went to Columbia College and I told them that the bookshop was called Blake's and they gave money, money for books. I was then able to like start a real collection in clothing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Like, wait, you convinced your parents that when they saw credit card charges for Blakes, it was the student union bookstore at your college?

[Nikki Igle]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ok.

[Nikki Igle]

Instead of being called Bookstore or Columbia Books. Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, did you. You also worked at Barney's, right?

[Ad Host 1]

I did.

[Nikki Igle]

While with Andre. Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so you were interning for Andre Walker. You were working at Barney's. I remember Nikki telling me that she would be like hiding things within the store, like in supply closets and shit, just. And then she'd pull them out when it was sale time and be like.

[Nikki Igle]

Employees got all the discounts that.

[Lauren Garrone]

That the.

[Nikki Igle]

The real people did, plus a 20% off because of the employee discount. So like the discount applied to the big major barney sales. When a customer asks for like, I need a size 6 in these Balenciaga pants, not like an 8. You have to go back into the stock room. So I was the stock girl because I refused to work with the general public. Like, I'm not. I stopped having general public public jobs after the pawn shop. And I noticed while working in the stock room so much that there were so many hidden panels and like where the fire extinguisher is, there was like a whole ass room. Like in the box there's room to store clothes. So I would go around at the on the floor, like picking items, shopping basically full on and then storing it in the fire extinguisher box and then.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Buying it for like 90% off. That's a beautiful story, Dickie.

[Lauren Garrone]

So now that you've been banned from the RealReal barneys no longer exists, where are you shopping these days?

[Nikki Igle]

The Real Real made a mint. Like they, I let it simmer for six months.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Nikki Igle]

Didn't touch a thing. And then I slowly started purchasing low, low ticket items to see if it went through basically. And I'm now back up to my antics. I mean, I do the same shit now, Nikki.

[Lauren Garrone]

We do spot for them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But what are you buying these days? Like clothing wise? Like, what designers?

[Nikki Igle]

I keep buying what I always bought. There's a part of me that really likes to dress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like Fran Drescher.

[Nikki Igle]

Fran Drescher, exactly. Straight from the, like, I like short miniskirts. I really like tight bodycon stuff. I like suiting, but tight, not, not, not oversized. I like Versace and I like Dolce and Gabbana.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I, I really like a slutty Italian. There's a huge part of you that is also the comb. Like Yoji for sure.

[Nikki Igle]

Absolutely, absolutely. And so I lean into that sometimes. Like, you know, I, I. And also it doesn't help that I dress in phases. I literally choose my outfit. I cannot be the girl that chooses an outfit the night before for the outfit chooses me in the morning. It chooses me based on how I'm feeling mentally, you know, So I need the options of like the oversized comb and Yoji if I'm just not mentally okay that day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you also can tell that these clothes are designed by people that like, may have had like some depression in.

[Nikki Igle]

Their life or who just couldn't deal with having that choice that morning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, we all have decision fatigue.

[Nikki Igle]

Oh God, so much.

[Lauren Garrone]

I long to be a uniform person, but I Can't do it.

[Nikki Igle]

I just can't do it. I wish. Although I will say this. I bought an aloe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You shopping at aloe is so weird to me. I don't know why. Because you are like a gym girl.

[Nikki Igle]

I'm a. Oh, I go to the gym. Constant. I'm in the gym five days a week, for sure. It's because I love my food. I showed up to your house in it yesterday. Like, it's that suit. It's. It's this cashmere black back. It's a very, like, loose, casual sweater with a drawstring pant that has no weight to it yet it's cashmere and it just falls over your shoe. It's straight leg, but it's not. It's not wide leg and it's not straight leg. I don't know what this is. It's just a normal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What is that leg called?

[Nikki Igle]

What is that leg called where it's not tapered? You know, like, it's just nothingness. And I wear it all the time. I used to wear it on gym days and air quotes, you know, like. But then I started wearing it to lunches with people, and I still look good. Like, I still look together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What is this sweater that you're wearing now? Is this Raf?

[Lauren Garrone]

This is Rapha.

[Nikki Igle]

I bought this on the RealReal under the Men's section, which the men's section.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is really slept on. If you're not like a sort of tacky guy that's looking for, like, the most branded, like, trendiest, amazing what you could find.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wonderful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Truly.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sorry, Nikki. I thought you were gonna say that you search for it under an assumed name.

[Nikki Igle]

I don't know how to create that, Lauren. I'm not computer enough for that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Quick.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Marry. Kill Yoji. Tom Ford. Vivian Westwood.

[Ad Host 1]

Okay.

[Nikki Igle]

Kill Tom Ford, unfortunately. Although I love his Gucci. I mean, of course, of course, but it just. It's like a soul sister thing, you know? So. Tom Ford's not my soul sister. However, that's a tough one between Yoji and Vivian.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, who would you want to versus who you would want to marry?

[Nikki Igle]

Well, because I'm straight. Okay?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'll.

[Nikki Igle]

I'll marry. I'll marry Yoji. I'm sure he can wait.

[Lauren Garrone]

It makes more sense to you to Vivian Westwood because you are straight.

[Nikki Igle]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Ad Host 2]

That's true.

[Nikki Igle]

Yeah, you're right. Okay, but I'm. Because in my mind, I'm like, who am I? And. Because you're whoever you're marrying too, right?

[Lauren Garrone]

No, you could be in a sexless marriage with Yoji Yamamoto. If you so shoes.

[Nikki Igle]

Okay, well, then who makes more money? Who can, like, afford the lifestyle?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, Vivian Westwood is dead, unfortunately.

[Nikki Igle]

So is this like, you're thinking about.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This in terms of your, like, sugar baby antics?

[Nikki Igle]

I'm always. I try to think long picture now. Well, I'll say this spiritually. I'll marry Yoji because I. I wear more Yoji.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, you're going to have to explain to him how much of. Of his designs you've returned on the real real.

[Nikki Igle]

And it's a lot. Because you know what? There's a lot of Yoji that does not work for me. A lot.

[Lauren Garrone]

Have you ever tried on one of the hats?

[Nikki Igle]

Oh, I have two Yoji hats. I love it. I have a Jamiroquai style Yoji hat that is genius. And I wear every winter. It's my winter hat.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Nikki Igle]

And then I tried a cowboy, like a Yoji's take on the western hat, but I thought it was so special that I kept it anyway, way I. I'm not a hat person.

[Lauren Garrone]

I could see you having a beautiful life together. Just have a fun night with Vivian West.

[Nikki Igle]

A very fun night with Vivian Westwood. Yes, please. Very.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, we're asking all of our guests what their thoughts are on this recent historic spring, summer 2026 season. After all of that, what stood out to you?

[Lauren Garrone]

What would you be hiding if you still worked at Barney's and Barney's existed in the back room?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although Nikki's of kind. Kind of fascinating. Because you love fashion, but you're not on Vogue Runway all the time because you refuse to pay for it for some reason, which I've already lectured you about.

[Lauren Garrone]

But we've also heard from our listeners, Women's Wear Daily is not paywalled.

[Nikki Igle]

I thought, like, the best show, what I wanted, what I would want to own was ysl.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not. No, not.

[Lauren Garrone]

No.

[Nikki Igle]

I mean, you know, a big part of why Pat was a hero of mine was because she was with Galliano during those incredible, incredible show era. Like, I love that era era. So to me, the YSL show was like. It felt like that in a way.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I also like ysl, and I. I talked about this when we discussed that show. It's like he just does three different looks per show in, like, 10 different colors. And that's the show. It's like just design one nice outfit. Really well, instead of giving me 70 different looks for no reason.

[Lauren Garrone]

But you also love a Belgian. So what did you think of New Dries? New Margiela the new Dries didn't sing to me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I. With the new Dre. You know what's really random, Dries is costuming. Alanis Morissette's Vegas residency. I heard it's cool, but it's just kind of like the weirdest thing. Did you go to the Toris tour with Atlantis?

[Lauren Garrone]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, see, I did. No, you would have loved it. Margiela. Margiela.

[Nikki Igle]

It was fantastic. Margiela was beautiful. I love the face coverings. Do people have a hot take on the mouth?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Mouthpiece? I liked the mouthpiece, but I thought that it shouldn't have been every single look, because I think by the last look, it kind of lost a bit of its impact. But I think it looked like. I think it was very clever.

[Lauren Garrone]

Chronically online, people have thought that it was misogynist.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can see how it is misogynist. But also I think that you and I are people that are both into sort of like the intersection of fetish imagery and high fashion.

[Nikki Igle]

Exactly. Allow yourself, yourself to be suspended for however long this show is lasting. What is it, six and a half minutes? Seven? Just, like, get into it. Allow it to, like, take over you and think of nothing else besides these looks that are coming down in front of your face. You're, you know, like, that's it. Or what you're seeing on the Internet, I suppose, too.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What did you think about Dior?

[Nikki Igle]

I took a second look at it and I liked it better than the first time I saw it. But I think the face coverings were beautiful. There was a specific shoe, like the Rosette shoe, that I really love.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't remember face coverings in that show. What do you mean?

[Lauren Garrone]

Do you mean, like, the hats?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The hats with the vals?

[Nikki Igle]

I think those were beautiful. I think, like, the collar shapes were nice. I don't know. I'm honestly the fashion of it all for me. I don't really. People think I love fashion, but I like fashion through the lens of photography and photographers and then eventually what stylists do with it in the editorials. Like, I'm not. I don't follow fashion like, it's football.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's what we're here for. Yeah, exactly. Like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we follow it like it's football.

[Nikki Igle]

Exactly. No, and that is so not me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's because you'd rather be at home smoking weed, scrolling Real Real and watching Real Housewives.

[Nikki Igle]

I mean, yeah, tv. And I'd rather be, like, shopping with friends. You know, Like, I'm just also.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What is this vape you've been smoked.

[Nikki Igle]

I think it's called heirloom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is it a sativa or an indica?

[Lauren Garrone]

It's a very.

[Nikki Igle]

It's very much an indica.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I could never smoke weed.

[Lauren Garrone]

And not to be complete narcs, but we should say we are drinking mimosas during the time of this recording.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's not. Just like Nikki, like, getting blasted over there by herself. Okay, I think we have to wrap this up because we actually have to run. Lauren, you have a hair appointment to get to.

[Lauren Garrone]

I do. I'm going to be late.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And we have to go to Arcana Books so Nikki can buy more fucking books. But thank you so much for coming on the show today. It's been a pleasure having you. We love you so much.

[Lauren Garrone]

We love you, Nikki. Thank you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And Nikki, where can we find Library180? Give us some info.

[Nikki Igle]

Yeah, so Library180, it's in Financial District. It's in the 180 Building on Maiden Lane. Once you ascend up the staircase, like.