251: On the Golden Globes, Diddy, Warner Bros. Drama

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast

Episode 251: On the Golden Globes, Diddy, Warner Bros. Drama

Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garoni

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Chelsea and Lauren plunge into the chaos of the recent Golden Globe nominations, dissect the seismic Warner Bros. mega-merger drama rocking Hollywood, and give unvarnished (and typically hilarious) takes on the new Diddy documentary. The duo also banter about the horrors and joys of holiday decorating, the steely demise of the theatrical film industry, and Gwen Stefani’s baffling Christmas single. As always, their cultural commentary is acerbic, fashion-centric, and peppered with personal anecdotes from Christmas crafts-gone-wrong to deep dives into the music and media they adore (and loathe).

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Holiday Spirit & Decorations (03:05–10:46)

• Chelsea’s Double-Tree Holiday Ambitions: Chelsea details her extravagant holiday décor, including two real Christmas trees — an eight-foot flocked tree with hidden white birds and a minimal four-foot, non-flocked bedroom tree.
  • “A Christmas tree in the bedroom is so magical.” (04:38 – Chelsea)
  • Her partner Tat’s Pinterest-inspired wreath, which goes hilariously awry, leaving tinsel “shedding everywhere.”
• Lauren’s Artificial Tree Roots: Growing up with a “no pine needles” household, Lauren got an artificial red tree. Chelsea instantly compares it to Melania Trump’s infamous “Handmaid’s Tale” White House hallway, much to Lauren’s horror.
  • “You were hashtag influenced by Melania Trump's Christmas decorations. And that is a sad, fucked up thing.” (07:17 – Chelsea)
• Merch Fulfillment Shenanigans: The hosts self-deprecatingly share their DIY approach to packing Every Outfit merch and Christmas cards, painting themselves as “Mr. and Mrs. Claus” heading a “team” of two (plus their partners) — complete with natural wine and minor injuries from assembling bag charms.

Tone: Festive, comedic, self-effacing
Memorable Moment: Pinterest wreath disaster; Melania Christmas tree analogy

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Golden Globe Nominations: “Random as Ever” (13:01–23:49)

General Take

Lauren and Chelsea bemoan what they see as increasingly random, desperate Golden Globe categories, reminiscent of a shrinking industry clinging to relevance (and star attendance).

Standout Segments

• Stand-Up Comedy Category:
  • “Bill Maher special. Is anyone else seeing this? I got an answer. Didn’t even know he put out a special this year.” (13:10 – Lauren)
  • They mockingly refer to Bill Maher’s Club Random podcast and lament the lack of buzz around the nominees.
• Best Picture Drama:
  • Chelsea confesses, “I really didn’t know that these movies came out.” (14:01)
  • Quick synopses and dismissals of nominees (“Hate Shakespeare. Not watching that.” – 14:30, Chelsea).
• The Musical/Comedy Split:
  • Discussion around Richard Linklater’s dual nominations, the shuffle of serious films into musical/comedy categories, and confusion at how time “feels compressed” for eligibility.
• Box Office Achievement Award:
  • They view this as a blatant ploy to lure A-listers like Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise to attend.
    • “This is just an excuse so that Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise will come to the Golden Globes.” (22:14 – Lauren)

Podcast Category

• Chelsea and Lauren riff on not being nominated for the new best podcast category:
  • “We pulled a Katherine Heigl. We were like, you know what? Our work is not worthy of a nomination.” (22:41 – Lauren)
  • Joking predictions that Amy Poehler or Mel Robbins will win, and noting many nominees are just “Hollywood escapees” from TV.

Tone: Snarky, pop culture-obsessed, a little jaded
Memorable Quote:
“The Golden Globe noms have always had this feeling of being slightly random … now we have to accommodate Dax Shepard and Alex Cooper. There’s no room.” (16:58 – Lauren)

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The Warner Bros. / Netflix / Paramount Disaster (25:28–34:03)

Lauren breaks down the “end of the entertainment industry as we know it,” wryly invoking “whoever wins, we lose” (Alien vs. Predator tagline – 26:09) to describe the catastrophic studio takeover saga.

The Story, Simplified

• Paramount (Skydance/Ellison family) buys Paramount, wants Warner Bros.
• Netflix unexpectedly snags Warner Bros. for $82.7B — shocking all of Hollywood.
  • “The immediate fear of Netflix owning Warner Brothers is twofold…” (28:36 – Lauren)
    • Predicts death of traditional theatrical releases (“…the windows will evolve to be much more consumer friendly, which means shorter.” — 28:50, Lauren)
    • Fear of Netflix’s “phone-optimized, AI-driven” content dominating beloved franchises/IP.
• Paramount Fights Back with a massive hostile offer ($108B, backed by Saudi/Abu Dhabi/Qatar/Kushner funds), stirring national security anxieties.
• If either wins: It’s bad for cinema either way — less theatrical, possible CNN “state media,” risk of studio lots turning into “ugly mixed-use buildings.”
  • “I do not want a European Wax Center where Casablanca was filmed.” (33:20 – Lauren)

Memorable Quotes:

• “This is so depressing.” (32:35 – Chelsea)
• “The most profitable thing that Warner Bros. has, other than their IP, is the ground that the studio sits on… I do not want a European Wax Center where Casablanca was filmed.” (33:20 – Lauren)

Tone: Dryly apocalyptic, darkly funny, genuinely worried about Hollywood’s future.

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Gwen Stefani’s New Christmas Song Fails Spectacularly (36:24–40:45)

• Chelsea and Lauren collectively cringe over Gwen Stefani’s “Shake the Snow Globe (Oh What Fun)” — described as “Kohl’s during the Holidays.”
• Chelsea: “Definitively the worst song she’s ever released” (36:24).
• They joke that it sounds “AI-generated” and is, in fact, an “Amazon Original” tied to a holiday film (which Lauren watched and promptly forgot).
• Contrast is drawn between “old Gwen” (No Doubt Coachella comeback) and “new Gwen” (Blake Shelton’s wife, Amazon shill, prayer app influencer).
  • “There are two Gwen Stefanies now.” (38:43 – Lauren)
• Segue into the design similarities between prayer/erotica apps (“Dipsea” and “Hallow”):
  • “There is some app creator that’s just going to various businesses selling a singular look for audio-based apps, whether it’s for bdsm, stories played in your ear or prayer.” (40:13 – Lauren)

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Courtney Love’s Missing Memoir & New Documentary (40:45–46:02)

• Discussion about Courtney Love’s just-premiered Sundance doc, “Anti Heroine”
  • Lauren: “For newer listeners of the podcast, this has been a preoccupation of Chelsea’s for a few years…” (41:08)
  • Chelsea details the saga of the long-delayed memoir, including lawsuits with ghostwriters, “too confessional” drafts, and hope for new music (“Never happening” – 42:32, Chelsea).
• They express desire for a wholesome mother-daughter scene with Frances Bean (now married to Tony Hawk’s son), and muse on the infamous Vanity Fair cover that led to Courtney temporarily losing custody.
• Chelsea: “I hope they show what her relationship with Frances is like now… We all want not to think that they have a good relationship.” (45:11)

Tone: Fangirlish, wistful, a touch conspiratorial

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Documentary Reviews: “Age of Disclosure” (47:44–56:34) & The Diddy Doc “The Reckoning” (56:39–67:59)

“Age of Disclosure” Doc — Elite UFO Truthers

Highlights

• Chelsea: Government insiders (not just “YouTubers!”) are now speaking out; the U.S. has been hiding alien crafts for decades.
• Lauren:
  • “Give me more aliens and less senators, okay?” (49:15)
  • Criticizes the film for too many un-substantiated or “drop-and-move-on” revelations (e.g., “people have died or gone missing,” “CIA funded Hollywood films for disinformation”—with no follow-up).
• They agree on the chilling thesis: UAPs became apparent post-atomic bomb testing; nuclear arms triggered their interest.
• “The campaign to stigmatize people that actually believe in this shit has been incredibly successful. Which is why a documentary like this is important…” (53:20 – Chelsea)
• They riff about a future “Top Gun vs Aliens,” Tom Cruise’s probable refusal (Scientology).

Tone: Amused skepticism, X-Files meets The View
Notable Quote: “Independence Day is a goddamn documentary for real.” (48:48 – Lauren)

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“The Reckoning”: Diddy Doc (56:39–67:59)

Analysis

• Diddy portrayed as an “evil person” hiding in plain sight; documentary links him to sexual assault, exploitation, and even alleged orchestration (direct or indirect) of Biggie and Tupac’s deaths.
• They highlight his “obsession” with stealing other men’s partners, confessions of Bad Boy contract abuse, and how Puff Daddy never got clearance for “I’ll Be Missing You”—so Sting gets paid handsomely.
• Ownership over Bad Boy artist images, styling drama, and Misa Hilton’s (Diddy’s wife, not Diddy) role in inventing the Jodeci/Mary J. Blige look goes unacknowledged in the doc — “that was not Diddy.”
  • “As many parallels as there are to Kanye, it’s like he did not have that sort of vision in terms of fashion. He just didn’t. I’m sorry.” (61:52 – Chelsea)
• They critique the doc for omissions (Lil Kim, Kim Porter’s “mysterious death”) and unpack the infamous Kid Cudi car bombing and kidnapping story—unbelievably unaddressed by the doc and its interview with jurors.
• Behind the Scenes: Netflix got access to damning footage because Diddy “never paid his videographer”—so rights reverted to the latter.
  • “Do we know how the surveillance video from the hotel came out?” (66:17 – Chelsea)
  • Lauren: “I think a hotel worker...had that footage ripped...when Cassie came out with her lawsuit, this person released the footage.” (66:23)
• 50 Cent (producer of the doc), “waited nearly 20 years to create this nuke of a documentary against a man he hated”—the ultimate revenge.
  • “Well, good for him. He did that.” (67:59 – Chelsea)

Tone: Righteous indignation, morbid fascination, somber

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Closing / Future Episode Preview (68:01–End)

• Lauren closes by soliciting holiday-themed listener questions for the “hotline” episode, hoping to lighten up the mood after this week’s “bummer” content.

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Key Quotes & Timestamps

• Chelsea: “A Christmas tree in the bedroom is so magical.” (04:38)
• Chelsea: “You were hashtag influenced by Melania Trump's Christmas decorations. And that is a sad, fucked up thing.” (07:17)
• Lauren: “The Golden Globe noms have always had this feeling of being slightly random ... now we have to accommodate Dax Shepard and Alex Cooper. There’s no room.” (16:58)
• Lauren: “This is just an excuse so that Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise will come to the Golden Globes.” (22:14)
• Lauren: “I do not want a European Wax Center where Casablanca was filmed.” (33:20)
• Chelsea: “Definitively the worst song she’s ever released.” (36:24)
• Lauren: “Give me more aliens and less senators, okay?” (49:15)
• Chelsea: “He [Diddy] is such a monster and a jackass and a truly evil person.” (57:00)
• Lauren: “Well, good for him. He [50 Cent] did that.” (67:59)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Holiday Decor & Merch Fulfillment: (03:05–10:46)
• Golden Globes Rundown: (13:01–23:49)
• Warner Bros. / Netflix / Paramount Transaction: (25:28–34:03)
• Gwen Stefani Song & Prayer App Tangent: (36:24–40:45)
• Courtney Love Documentary News: (40:45–46:02)
• Age of Disclosure (UAP/UFO) Doc Review: (47:44–56:34)
• Diddy Doc “The Reckoning” Review: (56:39–67:59)
• Holiday Hotline Announcement/Outro: (68:01–End)

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a quintessential Every Outfit experience: whip-smart, unapologetically opinionated, and packed with pop-culture snark—yet grounded in genuine affection for artistic excellence (and the survival of both cinema and alt-divas). Their intelligence as cultural critics is matched only by their talent for irreverent, digressive storytelling. If you care about fashion, film, music, and the messy intersections of power and pop, this was one to hear (or at least read about here).

Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garoni.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garoni]

And welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. Tis the season, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Tis the season for what? What are you even talking about?

[Lauren Garoni]

Tis the season to have the holiday spirit which I you are overcome with. How is the holiday decorations going?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's going great. The house is almost done. I did the bookshelf. I put out all the Christmas books.

[Lauren Garoni]

For those that are uninitiated, Chelsea at her place has an incredible bookshelf that she has meticulously curated. But for the holiday, she does a holiday edit of the bookcase, all the December issues.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So I did that. We put up a garland. We got two trees this year. Two real trees.

[Lauren Garoni]

So this is what I was leading towards. Because you are so filled with the holiday spirit this year. You didn't get one tree, you got two trees.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I got one like eight foot flocked tree which is in my living room. So magical just with the flocking and the lights. And then I got these like tiny little white birds. Like a shitload of them. The white birds are like nestled in the tree. So cute, but it's something that you can't really see until you get really, really close to the tree. And then in my bedroom, I got a four foot tree. No flocking, cute little Christmas lights, Minimal. Again, I think I'm gonna add something to that one, but I haven't figured it out yet.

[Lauren Garoni]

You are getting Kardashian level holiday decorations. I mean, a Christmas tree in the bedroom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A Christmas tree in the bedroom is so magical. And then I have a combination of like real and fake garlands that are throughout the house. And I have an inflatable Grinch that is out in the backyard. Tat made some like demented wreath based on a Pinterest reference. That's like a classic wreath. But then it has like, it has all of this silver tinsel hanging off. But now the tinsel is like, it's gone everywhere. It's in our house. It's in the garage. It's stuck in the Door like it's shedding. I honestly, I should take a picture of this, like, versus the reference. It's like the saddest thing, but I applaud her for trying.

[Lauren Garoni]

The scary thing is, as soon as you describe what that Pinterest reference is, it's like, I've gotten that reference, too. I know exactly what she was trying to copy. You wouldn't think that Tatiana would be someone who would copy a holiday decoration from Pinterest, but this is something I love about the both of you. Also, you and I are on opposite ends of the Christmas tree spectrum, where you always get real trees, although you always get the living room one flocked with spray paint to make it look like fake snow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's not spray paint. It does have a snow texture that's sprayed on it by Mr. Jingles. Shout out to them. Great place to get Christmas trees in Los Angeles. You can go to Mr. Jingles in Brentwood, Mr. Jingles in Hollywood. But you can also get flocked trees from Mr. Jingle that are like hot pink flocking or red flocking, which I've always wanted to do, but tat will never let me.

[Lauren Garoni]

So it's so funny that you say that, because I passed by the Mr. Jingles in Hollywood and I saw a red flock Christmas tree and I went, that would work in our house because we have a kind of sky blue and red motif in our living room. But I just could not bring myself to buy a real tree that has been flocked in red. So instead I bought an artificial red Christmas tree because I grew up in an artificial tree household. However, when I got my own places.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I was like, kathy wouldn't like those pine needles.

[Lauren Garoni]

My mother would lose her mind with every pine needle that dropped on her pristine carpet. So, yes, I grew up with an artificial Christmas tree, but when I got my own place, I was like, I'm not going to have a realistic Christmas tree. I'm just going to keep getting like, if you're going to have an artificial tree, it should be real artificial.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

And so this year, I upgraded to a red artificial tree. And when I showed you, you immediately ruined it for me because you went, oh, you mean like what Melania Trump did at the White House that one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Year you were hashtag influenced by Melania Trump's Christmas decorations. And that is a sad, fucked up thing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Did not even cross my mind. So I went back and I was like, I do remember the red trees. And it was very upsetting. It was giving Handmaid's Tale. But the decoration motif that she did. There was a real green tree, and then along the hallway were these sharp, burgundy, blood red trees that lined the hallway of the White House. And that's not what I'm doing, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I'll be the judge of that. You don't have a tree out yet, which is like, Honey, it's December 12th. What are you doing?

[Lauren Garoni]

I know, because it will be delivered in a day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I'm decorating on Thanksgiving Day, or Mr. Jingles starts delivering the day after.

[Lauren Garoni]

So that's very smart on them. I took part in a Cyber Monday deal, so that's why my tree will be coming a tad later.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I'm glad you got a bargain. Also, things have been real Christmassy in our lives because we're back on our elf bullshit. We've been fulfilling every Outfit merch orders at our headquarters at the North Pole.

[Lauren Garoni]

I like to think of it as you and I are Mr. And Mrs. Clau, and Tad and Paul are our elves, aka our unpaid interns, who help us fulfill the hundreds of orders that you guys have blessedly ordered from us. But lest you think that we have a full setup, we don't. It's us.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It's honestly my favorite form of labor.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, because everything we do is so digital or we don't really interface with any physical things. Really?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, because if you're someone that's constantly sending tons of emails and, like, you have no real, like, tangible results of your labor, packing something in a box and sending it to someone is really.

[Lauren Garoni]

Satisfying the first few dozen times.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's satisfying because we don't work in a fulfillment center all day long.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, no, I don't think most fulfillment centers allow you to have natural wine in the middle of the day when you are fulfilling these orders.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I will say, hand assembling all of those bag charms really did a number on a couple of my fingers. They've been poked and prodded with those, like, little metal loops.

[Lauren Garoni]

I remember years ago, someone sent us a dm. We got in trouble, or they felt that we were in trouble for something. And I remember that they wrote something to the effect of, like, your team needs to be better at this. And it's like, the team is us.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you're right, the team does need to be better. Point taken.

[Lauren Garoni]

Anyway, Santa's Workshop, AKA the Every Outfit Merch Store, frankly, will be open until the rest of the year. But if you would like to place a holiday order, I highly suggest you do it this weekend. If you want to receive it before Christmas asterix We are going to send it immediately. We are at the mercy of the Postal service.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, we've been doing our Christmas card mailing, which has been really cute. You do get our Christmas cards if you join the Patreon at the Richard Burton tier and above.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is true. That's another thing that we're hand stuffing. That might be why we're like a little out of our minds. All we've been doing is stuffing boxes, poly mailers or envelopes. But it's a very cute Christmas card, I must say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's the cutest we've ever done. It's really, really special.

[Lauren Garoni]

Anyway, enough about us and our labor. Shall we get into enough about us.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And our shitty, boring lives? Let's talk about the also shitty and boring Golden Globe nominations. The holidays can be stressful. You have all of your normal responsibilities with the added pressure of decorating your house, dealing with relatives, endless social obligations. Which is why when I need to slow down and actually relax, I reach for Sol's out of Office Gummies. They have the perfect balance of CBD and thc, which helps me stay sane during one of the most emotionally loaded times of the year.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

No, no, no. I love the gummies that are the 1.5 because you can always get more high, but you can't get less high. And that is a lesson that I have learned the hard way several dozen times.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Sounds like you need that one, Chelsea.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, the stand up comedy special is random. And the nominees in that category.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oof.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Couldn't pay me to watch those.

[Lauren Garoni]

Chelsea. I looked at those, I was like, I didn't even know that those comedy specials had come out. I mean, it's very sad. Sure. Let's start from the bottom. Best performance in stand up comedy on television, Bill Maher special. Is anyone else seeing this? I got an answer. Didn't even know he put out a special this year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Talk about Club random.

[Lauren Garoni]

For those of you who blessedly don't understand that reference, Bill Maher has a podcast called club random.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've been meaning to watch the Woody Allen episode, but I've been trying not to self harm lately.

[Lauren Garoni]

Woody Allen not nominated this year. We also have Brett Goldstein's comedy special. Kevin Hart, Ricky Gervais, Sarah Silverman, and Kumail Nanjani. Kumail Nanjani. I would like to see this comedy special, but my point is, like, I had no idea any of these had come out this year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No more shockingly best picture drama. I really didn't know that these movies came out.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, are you unfamiliar with Frankenstein?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't fuck with Guillermo del Toro. I'm sorry. I've seen enough of his movies to know that I just don't give a shit.

[Lauren Garoni]

I saw a letterbox review that was like, this is the worst movie I've ever seen. Loved every minute of it. There's the film Hammett, which is the Chloe Zhao film, which I guess is about the real William Shakespeare and what inspired Hamlet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Hate Shakespeare. Not watching that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, also, I won't be watching it because trigger warning. It's inspired by the death of their young son. So I'm out. It was just an accident. Which won the palme d' or this year. Sentimental value, which I very much do want to see.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do want to see that also.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sinners.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I am the only person that hasn't seen sinners.

[Lauren Garoni]

I am also.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You haven't seen it either.

[Lauren Garoni]

I have not seen sinners.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, this is fudge up. This is actually what we need to do this week. What's wrong with us? I thought it was just me and.

[Lauren Garoni]

The film the secret agent. Well, I think the confusing thing about the drama category, if you think about it, In Academy Awards terms is that I believe most of the films that will be nominated for Best Picture at the Academy Awards are in the musical comedy category. Because you have Richard Linkletter's film Blue Moon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, how does Richard Linklater have two films that are nominated in this category? Blue Moon and Nouvelle Vague. Blue Moon is the one about Rogers and Hart, and Nouvelle Vague is the one about the making of Breathless, which.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sounds like a terrible idea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Everyone says it's fucking fab. That I actually do want to see. But will Tat watch either of these movies with me? Absolutely not. So I'm going to have to wait until she goes to Australia or, I.

[Lauren Garoni]

Don'T know, you and I could have a date. Like we did that time that we saw the brutalist together at 10 in the morning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True.

[Lauren Garoni]

Did I tell you the demented thing I did. Someone in the UK recreated the Brutalist sweater. You know, the one that Adrien Brody wears towards the end of the film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah. Like the gray. Like. What do you even call that kind of neck? Because it's like a V neck, but.

[Lauren Garoni]

A high V Mock neck.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's like a mock neck V neck.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know what it is, but it has been living rent free in my head for a year. And someone recreated it and I guess they had a pop up and I put my name on a wait list and I got the email and they were like, you can order this. And I fucking did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I wait, is it here?

[Lauren Garoni]

No, I'm sure it's gonna be here like three months. I spent way too much money on it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, is it for you or for Paul?

[Lauren Garoni]

No, it's for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I need to see this sweater on you. This could be the best or the worst idea you've ever had. I wouldn't say that's easy to wear necessarily. Like, it's chic for sure. But that is an unconventional neckline.

[Lauren Garoni]

It has a high margin for error. Anyway, Begonia is also nominated. One battle after another. Marty Supreme. No other choice. Some of these films, I wasn't aware, were comedies, but this is always the thing with the Golden Globes is to get as many stars in that Hilton ballroom, which is already too small to accommodate everyone. That room was too small to accommodate the movie stars and the TV stars. Now we have to accommodate Dax Shepard and Alex Cooper. There's no room.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Stop. Well, I'm glad that One battle after another and Marty supreme, which I still haven't seen, but from what everyone tells me, it's incredible.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, it's not out yet. It just had the premiere. It feels like the movie is out because Timothee Chalamet has been doing press for like a month. He's been doing his own viral campaign. Did you see the Marty supreme blimp?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. Of course I saw the Windbreakers. There have just been so many advanced screenings in LA and New York for Marty supreme. So I think I'm just seeing a lot of people that are going to those on Instagram, but I can't wait for that. Sad that Eddington got snubbed and it should have been in the comedy category.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, shit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I completely forgot these short sighted pricks.

[Lauren Garoni]

What else do you want to get into? Female actor in a drama.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

Our girl Jennifer Lawrence got nominated for Die My Love. One of our faves of this year. Eva Victor for a film called Sorry Baby, which I have not seen, but it's supposed to be incredible. Jessie Buckley for Hammett. Renette Renzve for Sentimental Value. She was also the star of Worst Person in the World.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Love her.

[Lauren Garoni]

Tessa Thompson for the film. Hedda and Julia Roberts for After the Hunt, which have you watched after the Hunt?

[Chelsea Fairless]

We really need to watch after the Hunt, especially because it's on demand now. I mean, it's been described to me as it's fine. It's also been described to me as like, it's good, but the ending is terrible. And then the most like, popular take is it's tar, but worse.

[Lauren Garoni]

Now does that make you want to watch a film more or less?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, it definitely makes me want to watch it. I can't wait to see this.

[Lauren Garoni]

Speaking of tar, have you seen that clip of Kevin Spacey doing a cabaret review?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Is that what he's doing now?

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. Every day life becomes more and more tar. Like, okay, best actor in a drama. We've got Dwayne Johnson in the Smashing Machine. Jeremy Allen White for Springsteen, Deliver Me From Nowhere. A lot of these movies as well are movies that I wasn't aware had come out yet. Like my mother the other week was like, when does that Bruce Springsteen movie come out? And I was like, it came out three weeks ago and it's already out of the theaters. Joel Edgerton for Train Dreams. Michael B. Jordan for Sinners. Oscar Isaac for Frankenstein. Wagner Mora for the Secret Agent.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. The only acting category that I'm actually invested in is best supporting actors in a Comedy series, because the nominees are Catherine o' Hara for the studio. Parker Posey, White Lotus. Carrie Coon, White Lotus. Hannah Einbinder, Hacks and The therapist from Adolescence.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, well, you're not going to have to wait long because that's usually up first at the Golden Globes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, speaking of adolescents, the limited series category is very noteworthy. To me, adolescence is in that category. It's obviously going to win because the other nominees in that category, I've seen them all. Are they of equality that they should be winning or nominated for Golden Globes? I'm talking about All Her Fault, the Girlfriend and the Beast in Me, all of which I enjoyed, to be fair, but. But they're just so lifetime that I'm surprised that they've received critical acclaim.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is what's confusing about the Golden Globe. Or maybe this is just how compressed time is these days. But it's like I'm looking at the nominees. I'm like, why is the White Lotus nominated? Like, why is Walton Goggins nominated? That came out last year. It's like, no, it didn't. It just came out earlier this year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It does seem like that was a long time ago. Also, Dying for Sex is in the limited series category, which you really should watch. That was actually good.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, I will watch it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And it's not long and there's no children that are dying in it. And it's fab and Sissy Spacek's in.

[Lauren Garoni]

It, who was in Die My Love and was great in that as well. So, you know, there was a scandal with the Golden Globes a few years ago. It had to get canceled. It came back. But I miss the old days of the Golden Globes where they would nominate movies that had no right to be nominated just so that stars could come to the Golden Globes. Most famously, the Tourist was nominated as a comedy, the Angelina Jolie Johnny Depp film. And we don't get that anymore. And so now they had to create this kid category called cinematic and Box Office Achievement. You've got Avatar, Fire and Ash, which isn't even out yet. F1, K pop demon hunters, Mission Impossible, the Final Reckoning, Sinners Again, Weapons, wicked for good, Zootopia 2.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Really?

[Lauren Garoni]

This is just an excuse so that Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise will come to the Golden Globes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but it seems like Sinners is going to win this. It does seem like. That's the crowd favorite. No one fucks with Wicked for good. Although K Pop Demon Hunters. People that fuck with that shit really fudge with that shit.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, should we get into the category that we were so brutally snubbed from? Best Podcast?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

I say that very tongue in cheek.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We didn't submit ourselves.

[Lauren Garoni]

So we pulled a Katherine Heigl. We were like, you know what? Our work is not worthy of a nomination. You know, that's how her whole drama with yes, Shonda Rhimes started is she pulled herself out of even being considered for an Emmy. Anyway, we have Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard. Call her Daddy Good. Hang with Amy Poehler, Smartless, which is the podcast that Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes and Will Arnett do, the Mel Robbins Podcast and something called up first that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is like NPR's version of the Daily although I do not listen to it.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, half of these nominees are essentially people that would have been nominated for Golden Globes for their television work who have gotten out of the traditional Hollywood ecosystem and now just podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I feel like Amy Poehler will just win this. I would imagine. Although I hope that Mel Robbins wins this because even though I don't listen to her podcast, her speech would be like motivational and I would probably fuck with it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But those clips do find their way to me on Instagram.

[Lauren Garoni]

Are there any other nominees we want to talk about?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No?

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, because I actually need someone to explain it to me.

[Lauren Garoni]

Should we just play the bad news theme? Because I do not say this lightly, but genuinely, this is the end of the entertainment industry. As we know.

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[Lauren Garoni]

So before I dive into this whole saga, and I swear to you, Chelsea, I have tried to make this as concise as possible, but the TLDR of this can best be summed up by the Tagline from the 2004 film Alien vs. Predator.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You've literally already lost me.

[Lauren Garoni]

But what the tagline of that film was, whoever wins, we lose. So a few months back, I explained how the billionaire Ellison family pushed through this merger of David Ellison's company, Skydance, and he bought the sordid Hollywood studio Paramount for $8 billion. And pretty shortly after that deal closed, there were rumblings that he wanted to buy Warner Brothers. And that did not feel great for a few reasons. He already is considering Paramount making Rush Hour 4 because Trump wanted a sequel to Rush Hour. You remember the Chris Tucker Jackie Chan film?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have seen Rush Hour 1. I did not need to engage further.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who knew there was a third Rush Hour? Also, President Trump might be the first president to literally get a director out of director's jail in the form of Brett Ratner. Also, you know, it doesn't feel great that the man who installed Bari Weiss to oversee CBS News would potentially have access to cnn.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right?

[Lauren Garoni]

And, you know, further corporate consolidation just isn't great. But then David Zaslav, who's the CEO of Warner Brothers Discovery, was like, you know what? We are open for sales bids. So you have Paramount, Comcast, which is Universal, and Netflix were all vying to buy the company. And it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that Paramount was gonna buy Warner Brothers because they've got the cash and they wanted it. And then last Friday, it was announced that Netflix was buying Warner Brothers for $82.7 billion. The Netflix deal was a shock to the industry for a multitude of reasons. No one thought Netflix would actually win the bid. And also the fact that this does not look good for the entertainment industry as a whole. A group of anonymous Hollywood producers sent a letter to Congress discussing how disastrous this would be for the industry. Several unions have written open letters condemning the sale. The dga, headed by Christopher Nolan, by the way, is set to meet with Netflix to have a conversation about this. So the immediate fear of Netflix owning Warner Brothers is twofold. Netflix owning Warner Brothers pretty much assures the death of the theatrical experience. Ted Sarandos, on a shareholders call, said that they would honor Warner Bros. Theatrical windows for the time being. But in the future, and I quote, over time, the windows will evolve to be much more consumer friendly, which means shorter.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right?

[Lauren Garoni]

And two, Netflix makes content for people watching their stuff while on their phones, which, to be fair, is us. But also, I don't want content that's optimized through algorithms and AI.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You mean you don't want the AI generated Sex and the City animated series that they could potentially make with that ip.

[Lauren Garoni]

So here's the thing. I am down to write the vertical AI and just like that proposed fourth season with you, Chelsea. But do I want my Warner Brothers films made this way? No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, so now Netflix owns, hbo, owns Sex and the City. They could bring back in just like that.

[Lauren Garoni]

They could. If the algorithm tells them to. They will. So I guess a good question to ask is why does Netflix even want Warner Brothers? Aren't they big enough? And it's because they need to keep growing year after year for shareholder value. And also, it's important to remember Netflix isn't competing with other studios. They're not even competing with Apple or Amazon. They're competing with YouTube. They want all of us to be watching 10 hours of the Beast in Me or whatever lifetime slop they're gonna put out instead of watching an hour of Architectural Digest house tours.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why can't we have both? If they acquire ad, it's all over.

[Lauren Garoni]

Netflix is going to acquire us all at some point. I mean, also in 2026, Netflix will be airing video podcasts.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I guess that makes sense.

[Lauren Garoni]

So this was all very shocking to the system. But I think the person most shocked by this deal would be David Ellison, who thought that he had the deal in the bag, because according to variety, he spent 12 weeks courting David Zaslav, only to be ghosted by him days PR prior to the Netflix announcement. But Chelsea, do you think a done deal is going to keep a multi billionaire down? No, because on Monday, Paramount launched a hostile takeover bid, saying that it would pay $30 per share in cash, valuing the company at around $108 billion. So 20 billion more than the Netflix deal. But Chelsea, David Ellison wasn't alone this time because he was able to pull together all this extra cash from the sovereign wealth funds and of Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi and Qatar as well. As affinity partners, which was started by Jared Kushner.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sounds like a great vibe.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think this is a great idea. I mean, two Democratic lawmakers, U.S. representative Sam Locardo of California and Ayania Presley from Massachusetts released a statement saying that there were serious national security concerns as quote, you know, this could transfer substantial influence over one of the largest American media companies to foreign backed financiers. Those foreign backed financiers, you know, shall have a history of human rights violations in their countries and oh, you know, killing journalists like Chelsea. Right now on the Department of Justice website there is a summary of Qatar's human rights issues. So is there any good in Paramount buying Warner Brothers? Sort of. If Paramount were able to purchase Warner Brothers, they would have no choice but to double down on the theatrical experience as that is where they make a bulk of their money. And they have Vowed to release 30 plus movies in theaters every year if this deal goes through. So it would preserve movie theaters for the time being. But unlike Netflix, Paramount is willing to purchase all of Warner Bros. Discovery, which means all of their cable channels. But according to a Wall Street Journal article back in December, David Ellison told President Trump that if he were to buy Warner Brothers, he would make sweeping changes to cnn. So get ready for state media.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is so depressing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh yeah. Again, like I said in the beginning, whoever wins, we lose. And really, you know my biggest fear other than Turner Classic Movie going away, the inability to access many of Warner Brothers classic films. Honestly the most profitable thing that Warner Bros. Has other than their IP is the ground that the studio sits on. And I fear whoever the owner is, they will sell the studio land and we are doomed to hundreds of ugly mixed use buildings. And I get it, we have a housing crisis. We do need more housing density. But I do not want a European wax center where Casablanca was filmed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. What's going to happen to the Psycho house? Oh wait, that's at Universal.

[Lauren Garoni]

Universal is safe for now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, thank God. Or should we be putting affordable housing in the Psycho house?

[Lauren Garoni]

Now that's interesting. We have to bring a little levity to the situation because it's really fucking sad, especially in regards to Warner Brothers because they had such an amazing year with sinners weapons, one battle after another. That felt like this statement that backing auteurs, giving them big budgets, putting movies in theaters is still viable. And what felt like maybe a month ago of like a new epoch of cinema now just feels like those films are like the last helicopters out of Saigon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

So sorry Guys, I have nothing positive to say about this. This is all bad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

See, I know that you're not even joking because several RealReal packages were delivered to my house while you were in New York. But I did get a little try on when you got back.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, I got a black vachara skirt that is made out of like large rectangular paillettes and it looked very Prada. You and Tat approved of that. I got a poochie beach cover up that you and Tat vetoed immediately. But thankfully that's returnable. And I got a T shirt from the J.W. anderson Carrie Collaboration. Like Carrie the horror movie, not Carrie the sex columnist. And I had to get that. It was only $35.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

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[Lauren Garoni]

Gucci, Fendi, Prada? Are you just reciting the lyrics to Fergie's Labels Are Love?

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh my God. Definitively the worst song she's ever released. Let's just drop in a clip.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's all we can do. Guys, you don't need to hear any more of that song. Which is that song supposed to be inspired by Harry Belafonte's Shake Shake. Sonora, I was about to say it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It seems like a little bit of an interpolation of that, but more broadly, it sounds like Kohl's during the Holidays.

[Lauren Garoni]

I thought that this song was AI at first, and it might as well be because, Chelsea, I don't know if you clocked this. This song is an Amazon original song.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What does that mean?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, it turns out that Amazon has paired with a group of many artists doing versions of Christmas songs or original Christmas songs. Marc Anthony does a version of Felice Navidad. You have someone named Mariah the Scientist doing a take on Eartha Kitt's Santa Baby. But Chelsea, what I was shocked by is that Gwen Stefani's Shake the Snow Globe parentheses. Oh, what Fun. Is the original song for Amazon's Christmas film, directed by Michael Showalter. Oh, what Fun. Starring Michelle Pfeiffer, Denis Leary and Chloe Grace Moretz.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I watched that. It was whatever. I mean, to be fair, I was barely paying attention, but you wouldn't care for that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Did the Gwen Stefani song make it better?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't remember the Gwen Stefani song at all.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's just so puzzling because we did think that the Gwen Stefani we grew up with died somewhere around the voice. But then she did that Coachella set with no Doubt and it was like. Like, there's our red lipped ska princess.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And I do still want to see no Doubt in the sphere. Although I've definitely missed the window on buying tickets for that. Or have we?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, they've extended the show. It's 18 shows that run between May and June of next year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not the worst idea. I feel like that would be really fun. Although this song is just so bad. Like, can you imagine if, like, Courtney Love or Shirley Manson were making music like this now, now it's so tough.

[Lauren Garoni]

Because, yeah, two Gwen Stefanis exist. And I don't know if it's better or worse to know that old Gwen is still in there. She's dormant. But you could reactivate her if she performs with no Doubt. But then there's this other Gwen that's married to Blake Shelton and does these Christmas Amazon original songs. And. Oh, have you forgotten shills for that prayer app, Hallow. And Chelsea, Gwen Stefani has done a new app for the Hallow app because they're doing a prayer advent calendar. It is important this holiday season to spend time in prayer. That is what Christmas is all about. Letting God into our hearts and letting Jesus bring us his peace. Download Hallow today and join me and millions of others in praying every day this Advent and Christmas season on Hallow. I know we've talked about the Hallow app before, but I just have to say because I was watching that ad and it reminded me we used to do ads for an audio erotica app called Dipsea, which Dipsea. I miss you. I miss doing ads for you. Please come back. But the design of the Dipsea app and the Halo app are identical and I think the same UX designer designed both. Or just like there is some app creator that's just going to various businesses selling a singular look for audio based apps, whether it's for bdsm, stories played in your ear or prayer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, didn't JD Vance invest in that or something?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, Mark Wahlberg is also an investor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, JD Vance has invested tens of thousands of dollars into the Hollow app.

[Lauren Garoni]

Tens of thousands of dollars. That's kind of embarrassing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, they're saying 15,000 to $50,000 invested in Hallowed, according to the Guardian.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I think that's a little low.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That won't even pay for one Gwen Stefani ad spot.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, she does that for free. That's for God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, speaking of divas of alternative music, I do want to bring up the fact that there is a documentary about Courtney Love called Anti Heroine that is premiering at Sundance this year. And of course there is, because we're never going to get this book. We'll get a full blown documentary that we've never heard of before. We'll get her memoir.

[Lauren Garoni]

For newer listeners of the podcast, this has been a preoccupation of Chelsea's for a few years, which is a few years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Try the last decade.

[Lauren Garoni]

But I mean, you've been talking about it for the last few years on the podcast that Courtney Love, yes, 10, 15 years ago, got an advance to write a memoir.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Really?

[Lauren Garoni]

We should do a VIP deep dive episode about the saga of this memoir. Because she wrote a draft. Like many people, she got a ghostwriter. She then sued the ghostwriter because she said that the memoir was actually too confessional.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then maybe like three years ago now, I would say maybe more, she posted on Instagram, like, I finally finished the book, like final draft has been submitted. And apparently her publishers were really happy because she, in this book allegedly was like, well, actually finished something, but like I guess wrote about being a sex worker and stuff in this book that is coming out Which I want to fucking read about, among other things. But maybe we'll get some tea in this documentary, which is apparently sort of centered around her life now. She's been sober for a few years. She lives in London. She's apparently on the verge of releasing new music. But that I do not believe that's never happening.

[Lauren Garoni]

And why should she?

[Chelsea Fairless]

She should, because she's an incredible artist, and there's no one that I am rooting for more to have a comeback, even if it doesn't bring her sort of mass acclaim in the way that Live through this did. If she even had a little bit of that niche indie like Lily Allen comeback energy, that would be a positive thing.

[Lauren Garoni]

I wonder if she's been offered movie roles in the last few years, because that is another mini comeback I would like to see with her. Because she was a great actress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was a great actress, but I don't know. I think that people root for her in the same way that they root for Marianne Faithful or rooted RIP Queen. She is one of those people where it's like, wow, it's incredible that you're alive.

[Lauren Garoni]

I do worry with the existence of this documentary that she's going to be like, you know what? I said it all. I don't need to release this memoir. Here's your advance back, publisher.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah, for sure this documentary is going to conflict with her book deal somehow. We'll never get either. But I really hope that whoever is doing this documentary does not fuck this up, because her story is incredible. There's such a wealth of video footage of this woman, sane and doing crazy shit over the years and saying the truth.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I remember she was one of the first women who just openly to the press, talked about Harvey Weinstein and what he was doing to women. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then she was like. And then I never acted again.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. So come on, Ari Aster, put her in a movie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Yeah, she needs something like that. As someone that has followed her really closely for a long time because she is no longer on Instagram, I feel like I haven't checked in with her for a while. I don't know how eccentric she is or isn't at the moment.

[Lauren Garoni]

Your parasocial relationship with Courtney Love is really. Is really cute. You're like, she got off Instagram. I don't. I don't know what she's doing. Is she okay?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, her mentality about Instagram is correct, which is that it is like a dark, corrupting, destructive force, especially to young people and to creative people. So I think she wisely is like, you know what? I'm just gonna sit here in my flat and have a cup of tea and read Shakespeare and go to my Narcotics Anonymous meetings.

[Lauren Garoni]

I hope they show what her relationship with Frances is like now. Like, I hope there is some wholesome scene with like her and Tony Hawk and Francis and Francis's husband whose name I forget but is Tony Hawk's son and their and their child.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We all want that. We all want not to think that they have a good relationship. Actually, I was thinking about Courtney yesterday because as I was putting out my holiday magazines, one that I always put out every year is the Courtney Love Vanity Fair, which was not holiday themed necessarily, but she was dressed up like an angel and that was the Vanity Fair cover story that caused her to lose custody of her daughter temporarily because the journalist said that she did heroin while she was pregnant. Anyway, just some festive holiday fun.

[Lauren Garoni]

Didn't Courtney Love admit that she did heroin but before she knew she was pregnant with Frances?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, fair enough. How's she supposed to know she got.

[Lauren Garoni]

Off of it afterwards. Doesn't she get credit for that?

[Chelsea Fairless]

And to be fair, it seems like Frances is totally fine.

[Lauren Garoni]

It is astounding.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anyway, don't know how to transition here.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

One of my favorite topics.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I am so excited to hear Lauren's thoughts on the Age of Disclosure, which is a new documentary by Dan Farah where current and former government officials discuss the existence of UFOs, which are now called UAPs, which stands for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. And the majority of the people interviewed in this film worked in intelligence programs or for the military. And they are basically saying that the US Government has been deliberately concealing UAPS from the American public, hiding the fact that the government is in possession of alien spacecrafts that have been retrieved that we've apparently been retrieving since, like the late 40s. And that basically we're in this secret arms race with China and with Russia trying to like, reverse engineer these spacecrafts so we have like a military advantage.

[Lauren Garoni]

Basically, what I got from this film is that Independence Day is a goddamn documentary for real. So while I do believe in UAPs, I have to say that the majority of this documentary is just UAP truthers airing their grievances.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But they're not UAP truthers. They're not like journalists or YouTubers. They are government officials for sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

But, like, give me more aliens and less senators, okay? Less bitching about Intelligence oversight committees, okay?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I think for context, we should say, why are these guys speaking out about this? Right? Like, what reason do they have? They are sounding the alarm for a couple of different reasons. National security being, number one and number two being that they believe that Congress needs to be aware of these secret programs that exist with the government that are probably funded with misallocated taxpayer dollars so that they can oversee them. Because whatever is happening is probably scary and sinister. And a lot of these people that are interviewed have very high security clearances and know a lot of classified information that they obviously cannot share because it is classified.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, someone, I forget who brings up this very interesting point in the documentary, right? Because the. The joke of becoming president is like, all right, now show me what's in Area 51. And this person in the documentary makes a point of like, they wouldn't know. Like, a president is on a need to know basis and they don't need to know this. The head of the CIA wouldn't even know this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Even high ranking people in the Pentagon, the Department of Defense do not know what the fuck these programs are doing, which Is scary, especially because there is this sort of conflict of we're working with companies that have been contracted by the military to reverse engineer this shit. How is Tesla getting their technologies? We don't know.

[Lauren Garoni]

Elon Musk is a proto human from a different dimension.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That would explain a lot.

[Lauren Garoni]

So my issue with this documentary, well, one, it's a nearly two hour documentary and with like 40 minutes left to go, is when they start listing off the UAP events at military bases. Because the first hour is variations of like, like, yeah, this is going on. No one believes it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also, there are very consequential statements made in this documentary with almost no follow up. Like they discuss how there are people who have interacted with UAPs or their jet planes or whatever, have come in contact with these UAPs in their force fields and they have gotten injuries like internal burns. And it's like, okay, more on that. Who are those people? Are they dead?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that's the whole thing. Many people, or a couple people in this documentary suggested that the people, the workers that are physically working on these crafts or around them have sustained major injuries. As a result, people have died. And one person alleges that people may have been murdered or people have disappeared as a result of these programs. That's also something that was brought up in the congressional hearing, the first one a couple years ago.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, another statement that sort of just said with no follow up, that has very consequential stakes to it is someone says, oh, yeah, the CIA has funded Hollywood films to create a disinformation campaign. Um, what, which films are we supposed to believe that the CIA in the early 80s were flooding black neighborhoods with crack and funding the movie, et cetera.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, or like Creature from the Black Lagoon. There can be no follow up because as all of these people are saying, everything is highly classified. And even people within the government, like, one person knows one thing, someone else knows something. There's not a lot of like, communication about all of this.

[Lauren Garoni]

And that's how 911 happened.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, didn't you love the footage of George Bush talking about this shit? And like all of the presidents where you really do get the sense that it's like they know something and it ain't good.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, that clip of Bill Clinton on James Corden, all I could think about was like, good, good. Ask me about aliens. Don't ask me about my friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, and that's the thing. Aliens have always been a funny topic. Right. The campaign to stigmatize people that actually believe in this shit has been Incredibly successful. Which is why a documentary like this is important, because people that are in the military, people that work for the government, people that wear suits, you know, white men are the kind of people that people trust when it comes to shit like this.

[Lauren Garoni]

I thought the most interesting part of the documentary, and it stated towards the end of it, is kind of answering the question as to why do they first appear. Why do these sightings first happened after World War II? And this documentary is basically alleging that we have UAPS because of Oppenheimer and Truman. If the atomic bomb wasn't set off, the UAPS would probably have not made themselves known.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, exactly. Well, and that's the whole thing about the UAPs, like, constantly being seen around military bases. The thought process is, is that these aliens maybe don't want us to blow each other up and maybe want to make sure that we're not going to do that the way that you wouldn't give a toddler a butcher knife.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, what is the UAP conversation internationally? Because it feels like a very American focused conversation. I do understand. I get it. We are in an arms race of sorts with Russia, with China, and we all have captured these UAP vessels that are trying to reverse engineer the technology again, as shown in the film Independence Day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there's been mass sightings of UFOs all over the world, and some of the footage in this movie was, like, filmed internationally.

[Lauren Garoni]

Here's my pitch. David Ellison, whether you're able to buy Warner Brothers or not, Top Gun is a Paramount film. I got a hell of a sequel idea for you. Tom Cruise versus Aliens.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not. No.

[Lauren Garoni]

Although he probably doesn't want to get into all that because of the Scientology.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Stuff, but true, one thing that freaks me out. I mean, there's many things that freak me out that this documentary proposes, but one thing that freaks me out is the idea that, like, the crashed spaceships were deliberately left for us. Almost like, let's see if these idiots can figure out what to do with this.

[Lauren Garoni]

And the answer is no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And the answer is we have not yet figured it out.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I can't wait for the sequel. Age of disclosure. Two things have been disclosed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I do think it's very cool that there was a screening of this for members of Congress recently. Also, we didn't mention that Marco Rubio, Kirsten Gillibrand, all interviewed in this film.

[Lauren Garoni]

I really hate to say it, I think Marco Rubio could run for president on a UAP platform. I don't want to see him president, but hearing him in this documentary, I was like, bro, if you ran on aliens. Wow, I'm really sounding like Joe Rogan right now. But it's like, bro, if you ran on an alien platform, bipartisan, you'd be elected.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not the worst idea. Just because he always fucking runs for president and he needs to like switch up his vibe next time.

[Lauren Garoni]

Now there's really not a transition. For this next topic, we watch the Diddy doc.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What is the Diddy doc actually called?

[Lauren Garoni]

The Reckoning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is the four part Netflix docu series that was produced by 50 Cent.

[Lauren Garoni]

Curtis, 50 Cent Jackson. Excuse you. It is directed by Alexandria Stapleton. It is incredibly dark. Where would you like to start?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. He is such a monster and a jackass and a truly evil person. And there is something about Diddy that I don't know. I guess he was always kind of positioned as slightly more family friendly than some of the other rappers. A little bit.

[Lauren Garoni]

I guess because he so nakedly wanted to be famous on a mass scale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also because it's like he's hanging out with like Ellen DeGeneres and shit.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That it's extra jarring and extra upsetting to see the depths of his depravity and how basically since birth, seemingly, or at the very least since his late teens, early 20s, so many of the decisions that he has made have been morally reprehensible for one reason or another.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. It's interesting between Cosby, Diddy and Harvey Weinstein. I read this book about Harvey Weinstein a couple years ago that Ken Oletta wrote and what I was fascinated by is that that all three of these people have such a pathology with their harassment and rape of women. Like it's a ritual for them. Like specifically with Diddy that you learn in this documentary is he had a particular obsession with going after other men's women and making them his right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then getting like male escorts to like fuck them.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think the most salacious things in the documentary are the sections where it is heavily alluded to that he organized for the murder of not only Tupac, but Biggie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it was more like he organized the murder of Tupac and then as a result, Biggie died and it was his fault. I don't think it's alleging so much that he is directly responsible, but it's like because of Tupac, he is responsible.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, also the fact that I think one of the best testimonials in this documentary is the man that grew up with Diddy who co founded Bad Boy Records and was pushed out of the company and then you learn in the last episode was sexually assaulted by Diddy as well, where you're like, oh fuck. But he talks about the fact that Biggie was supposed to go to London for press and Diddy kept him in Los Angeles for reasons unknown.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

For reasons that feel more ominous, then we must have a party at the Peterson Automotive Museum. The other reprehensible thing he does in relation to Biggie's death, Death, well, it was twofold. One he's like, don't worry to Biggie Smalls family, we're gonna have the biggest funeral. Don't you worry about a thing. Bad Boy Records has everything covered. And then he started to get the bills for the funeral and he was like, actually take it out of his advance of what he owes us.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So sinister.

[Lauren Garoni]

And the other thing that makes you think that perhaps, and this is all contextually that Sean Combs had something to do with Biggie Smalls death, is that that Biggie Smalls had just renegotiated his contract where Diddy gave him everything that he asked for and then he died. And then he told the co founder of Bad Boy Records to change all the language in the middle so that no one would notice.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And that person refused to do it and then got fired. And just generally like the way that he over all of the people whose music he produced, just in terms of giving them bad deals, bad royalties.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I thought the most interesting part of the documentary, at least for me, I did not know much of his prehistory pre Bad Boy Records. I didn't realize he started as an intern for a record company called Uptown Records that had Heavy D, had Jodeci. And really he learned that terrible practice from his boss that ran Uptown Records, which is essentially, you're going to get your advance and we're basically never going to give you money afterwards.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which I assume is things they learned from Barry Gordy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Speaking of Jodeci, one thing that I did take issue with about this documentary, which is hyper specific, is this documentary presents the idea that Diddy was not only responsible for the sound of Jodeci and of Mary J. Blige, but also the crafting of their image and their styling. And. And never is it mentioned that Diddy is married to Misa Hilton, who is one of the most iconic, legendary celebrity stylists in the world, who also did Lil Kim. And it's like, no, she's the one that put Jodeci in those pants. She's the one that put Mary J. Blige in the leopard like that was not Diddy. As many parallels as there are to Kanye, it's like he did not have that sort of vision in terms of fashion. He just didn't. I'm sorry.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, when you take that piece of information and you put it with what is said throughout the documentary in almost every part, which is. He is a terrible musician. Dr. Dre. He is not. He doesn't have any producing skills. He is not a songwriter. He cannot sing very well. He's just P.T. barnum.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Essentially, him as a solo artist was definitely less interesting than pretty much all of his contemporaries. Although I'll be missing you. The sheer evil that it would require to create a situation that results in your friend's death, to exploit your friend financially in death, and then to sort of make a big show about how sad you are is just unbelievable. Like, Was it a VMA's performance? What was it with Sting?

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, I feel like it was the vma.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I remember watching that at the time. I mean, everyone was incredibly moved. How could you not be moved by that song?

[Lauren Garoni]

Can I tell you the one positive from this situation? Puff Daddy never got clearance from Sting to do an interpolation of Every Breath youh Take. So he has to pay Sting thousands of dollars, probably at this point, millions every time that song is played.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, good for Sting. It is such a good song, though.

[Lauren Garoni]

Did you find it interesting that there was no mention of Lil Kim in this documentary and also no mention of the kind of mysterious death of Kim Porter in this documentary?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right, yeah, they didn't get into that at all.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which. Even Kim Porter's. One of her best friends, Kimora Lee Simmons, has openly been like, he killed her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They also, like, did they get into the Kid Cudi Porsche situation?

[Lauren Garoni]

So towards the end, a person that worked at Bad Boy Records, I believe by the time she left, she was the head of global communications. Her name's Capricorn Clark. She tells a story about Diddy being either out of town or filming something. She's hanging out with Cassie, trying to give her some freedom, and she's like, hey, can my friend Kid Cudi come hiking with us? And Capricorn Clark is like, don't do this. You're putting me in the worst position. Because, look, Cassie, he can cheat on you, but you can't cheat on him. And so the story that Capricorn Clark says is this incident where Diddy pounds on Capricorn Clark's door, kidnaps her, takes her to Kid Cudi's house with a gun, and is the inference is going to shoot and kill Kid Cudi. She gets Cassie on the phone and Cassie's like, oh, Kid Cudi and I are together. But you're right. One of the most insane anecdotes about this whole Diddy saga, I believe, comes from a Rolling Stone article where he blew up Kid Cudi's car. And, no, that incident isn't referenced in the documentary. But you do have the jurors in the fourth part of the documentary discussing the fact that they did not believe Capricorn Clark's story that she was kidnapped and Diddy was to going to shoot Kid Cudi. And it's like, I'm sorry, did you guys not know about him blowing up Kid Cudi's car?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, some of these jurors were fucked. Especially the one that is just like, a full Diddy, Stan. To the point where she's like, watched every season of making the band. Like, who did that?

[Lauren Garoni]

I know, but she tries to distance herself. She's like, no, no, I'm a big fan of all of, like, Bad Boy records music, like, 112. But, like, like, I wasn't the biggest fan of Diddy. It's like, yes, you were.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Like, why are you even trying to lie?

[Lauren Garoni]

We should say, for those who have not watched the documentary, one of the craziest parts of the documentary is that they were able to get access to this footage of Diddy days before he is arrested, because in his mind, he thought it was a great idea while being under federal investigation to hire a videographer to follow him around and film him. And there's been a lot of discourse about how they were able to access this footage. Diddy's lawyers say that it was illegally obtained. Netflix and the director have gone out of their way to be like, no, we legally obtained it. I've seen online the reason that Netflix has the footage is because Diddy never paid the videographer. And so the rights revert back to the videographer. And so he sold the footage free and clear.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So crazy. Do we know how the surveillance video from the hotel came out?

[Lauren Garoni]

I think a hotel worker quite like the Beyonce Solange Standard Highline video came out. I think someone that worked at the hotel had that footage ripped. It saved it for years. And I think when Cassie came out with her lawsuit, this person released the footage.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So fucked up.

[Lauren Garoni]

But as that stand juror says, she's like, you know, it's really unfortunate how he beat up on that little girl, but he wasn't on trial for domestic violence.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, yeah, as if there's no relationship between these various crimes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Diddy was sentenced to 50 months to the two lesser charges. And he's in prison currently, and that's that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do we know how much longer he's in there for?

[Lauren Garoni]

The title card kept saying it was 50 months with time served. So I imagine that's the time that he was in detention. Because if you remember, he kept trying to get released on bail and they held him in detention until the trial. And I remember one of the things he offered to be like, I'm not a flight risk is he not only was like, I'll hand over my passport, I'll hand over the passports of all of my children. Which I thought was so fucked up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So his twins can't go to Paris. That sucks.

[Lauren Garoni]

But the judge was like, no, thank you. You can stay in jail until your trial.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's a fascinating watch, but it's. It's an upsetting watch.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's an upsetting watch. Have you seen the take that we're all not hating enough. Like, we're not hating on the level that 50 Cent hates Didion. That this man has just waited patiently for nearly 20 years to be able to, like, create this nuke of a documentary against a man he hated so much, which, as we learned, for legitimate reasons.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, well, good for him. He did that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, that brings us to the end of the episode. I hope it wasn't too much of a bummer. I feel like to assure that we don't have a depressing episode next week week, we should open it up to the listeners and do a little holiday hotline. Ask us anything. So if you have holiday related questions, questions about sex in the city, let's try to keep it holiday themed as we've cautioned you. Maybe under a minute, perhaps, as we've begged you, please feel free to call our hotline, that is 323-486-6773.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The number is also in the show notes.

[Lauren Garoni]

And we'll be back next week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bye.

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