259: On the Grammys, Sydney Sweeney, Pieter Mulier - Every Outfit

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And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

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The Every Outfit podcast.

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Summary

Every Outfit Podcast Episode 259: On the Grammys, Sydney Sweeney, Pieter Mulier

Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garroni

Overview

In this episode, Chelsea and Lauren serve up their signature fashion commentary and pop culture dissection, with the 2026 Grammys as the jumping-off point. They break down memorable red carpet moments, awkward live television gaffes, and what the night’s looks tell us about music’s current “alt girl” moment. The hosts also take deep dives into Sydney Sweeney’s new lingerie line and the Cosmo cover discourse; the latest shakeups at iconic fashion houses like Versace and Alaïa; and the casting for several buzzy upcoming films and series, including Ryan Murphy’s newest show and the Beatles biopics. Expect sharp, no-BS opinions, trademark wit, and a healthy dose of cultural side-eyes.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

RIP Katherine O’Hara (02:00) and Cher’s Grammys Gaffe (02:10 – 05:10)

The show opens with a quick tribute to Katherine O’Hara (with a plug for their VIP episode about her).
The main intro dives into Cher’s chaotic moment at the Grammys, comparing it to infamous award show blunders (like Faye Dunaway/La La Land and Travolta’s “Adele Dazeem”).
Cher’s post-award confusion, mispronunciation of “Luther Vandross,” and her quirky speech are discussed in-depth.
- Quote (Chelsea, 02:29): “She fucked up as much as a person could while presenting an award or giving an acceptance speech.”
- Quote (Lauren, 03:20): “That long pause did remind me of the Faye Dunaway Warren Beatty saying that La La Land won…”
They speculate that Cher may have been a last-minute Record of the Year presenter after someone else pulled out.

Grammys Fashion Deep-Dive (05:51 – 13:09)

The hosts dissect what makes a good Grammys look—somewhere between Oscars elegance and VMA irreverence.
- Lady Gaga’s triple-look “high fashion odyssey”: discusses Fecal Matter’s McQueen-esque dress, two archival McQueens, and how artists switch outfits between performances and photos.
- Chapel Roan’s Mugler ‘nipple dress’–both thought-provoking and divisive.
  - Quote (Lauren, 08:58): “I just–I let out a heavy sigh… I guess you could say I didn’t like it.”
- Billie Eilish’s Hodakova look: lauded for alt-girl chic but confusing in photos; runway differences dissected.
- New term “Rodeo Goth” coined by Chelsea for women like Diane Warren who blend luxury and gothic elements.
- They also highlight Lola Young’s Vivienne Westwood moment, Addison Rae’s red carpet win (best dressed in Alaïa), and Teyana Taylor’s busy multi-hyphenate schedule—including culinary school.

Standout Men’s Moments at the Grammys (24:03 – 33:16)

Long chat about Justin Bieber’s performance in lilac silk boxers—also promoting his Skylark brand (“Yeezy does the 60s” vibe).
Scene-stealing performances: Jelly Roll’s weight loss and new veneers, and Bad Bunny’s corseted Schiaparelli tuxedo, which prompts both sartorial and emotional reactions.
- Bad Bunny’s stunned reaction to winning Album of the Year becomes a meme.
- Quote (Lauren, 28:53): “His name is called and he just sits in his chair with his head back…”
Harry Styles’ Dior look: “Topman 2012 vibes,” but Chelsea is into it.

The Grammys: Production Issues & Other Notables (33:20 – 34:20)

Lauryn Hill’s tributes in the in memoriam segment, but the chaotic editing makes it hard to follow who's being honored.
- Reba McEntire and Post Malone’s Black Sabbath tribute is unexpectedly good.
Quote (Chelsea, 33:52): “It was just a strange way to film an in memoriam.”

Hot Topics: Sydney Sweeney & Lingerie Branding (36:35 – 47:32)

Sydney Sweeney’s Cosmo cover and “Siren” lingerie line:
- Hosts break down the controversy around Sweeney, pop culture’s lack of media literacy (“why does no one see the David LaChapelle reference?”), and the cover’s campy, surreal energy.
  - Quote (Chelsea, 38:10): “I like that the image looks like an old school Cosmo cover. But it’s also deeply strange… her hair looks all crazy, she’s pushing up her tits with her hands and her tits are huge…a very demonic smile.”
- Deep critique of Siren’s branding, muddled website, and lack of “point of view.”
  - Quote (Lauren, 44:36): “Because I can’t find anything. That’s my problem.”
  - Quote (Chelsea, 45:34): “It’s not good. This is just reminding me of my other lingerie pet peeve…”

Fashion News: Pieter Mulier to Versace, Designer Shuffle (49:31 – 52:11)

Pieter Mulier’s jump from Alaïa to Versace is “exciting but untested.” Will he keep Versace’s signature sexiness and logo obsession?
- Discussion of what happens to Alaïa next—speculation that Maximilian Davis (Ferragamo) could be a contender.
- Chelsea: “It’s hard for me to understand the current Versace customer personally, but we shall see.”
The importance of not “alienating the current customer” while evolving a house’s DNA.

Pop Culture & Upcoming Projects (52:11 – 66:47)

Ryan Murphy’s American Love Story: JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette focus; strong cast, period accuracy praised; Naomi Watts as Jackie O.
- Quote (Lauren, 54:08): “It does feel like a star is born kind of moment…this guy Paul Kelly looks exactly like JFK Jr.”
The Beauty: Bizarre Ryan Murphy show that’s "incoherent in the best way"—a mash-up of TV tropes. Production values praised, but too few extras for its sprawling locations.
The Devil Wears Prada 2 trailer: Mystery abounds—fans speculate about Miranda Priestly’s memory loss/dementia.
- Quote (Chelsea, 60:05): “The only plot point that was revealed is that Miranda Priestly may have dementia.”
- Chelsea & Lauren joke that the original film was also “just five montages stitched together.”
Baz Luhrmann’s Beatles Films: Four films, one for each Beatle, announced for 2028—production stills assessed. Saoirse Ronan as Linda McCartney, Amy Lou Wood as Patty Boyd; mixed reactions to casting based on promo photos.
- Quote (Chelsea, 66:04): “Paul as Paul looks really legit. That’s kind of the best one.”

Documentary Watch: Courtney Love’s “Anti-Heroine” (67:20 – 73:37)

Sundance premiere, distribution TBA—deemed “incredibly juicy” even if it shies away from the most sensational topics.
- Focuses on Courtney’s post-Kurt, pre-2000s “Hollywood moment,” including her acting and music renaissance.
- Both hope for a full memoir one day.
  - Quote (Chelsea, 72:48): “Like, that’s iconic. But more of that. More of the juicy, gossipy stuff.”
Courtney’s eccentric, honest persona is celebrated.

Film News & Apologies (73:37 – END)

Todd Haynes’ new noir “Denoche” moving forward with Pedro Pascal after Joaquin Phoenix ditched the project.
The closing section sees Chelsea and Lauren issuing corrections (mispronunciations, music genres, and Schiaparelli’s designer origin).

Memorable Quotes & Segments

Cher’s gaffe: “She fucked up as much as a person could while presenting an award or giving an acceptance speech.” (Chelsea, 02:29)
Sydney Sweeney’s Cosmo cover: “It’s a very, like, strange, surreal image… all it’s missing is like a Labu boo with its eyes bulged out looking at her tits.” (Chelsea, 38:39)
Rodeo Goth: “They will go to Tom Ford and buy leather leggings and then wear them with a black and white tweed Chanel Jack.” (Chelsea, 16:26)
On the state of the Grammys: “Award shows start for us at 5 because it starts at 8pm on the east Coast. …I just happen to have the TV on at 1pm and I’m watching FKA twigs walk down the red carpet and I’m like, wait, are the Grammys starting way ahead? But no.” (Lauren, 11:19)
On the Devil Wears Prada 2: “The only plot point that was revealed is that Miranda Priestly may have dementia.” (Chelsea, 60:05)
Courtney Love gossip: “Like, I remember reading some interview with her once and she talks about how she [slept with] Kate Moss after a Versace party, and she’s like, I don’t think Kate cares that I’m saying this publicly.” (Chelsea, 72:28)

Notable Timestamps

Grammys fashion round-up: 05:51–13:09
Rodeo Goth and Diane Warren: 16:05–17:30
Sydney Sweeney’s lingerie line/Siren: 36:35–47:32
Pieter Mulier to Versace: 49:31–52:11
Devil Wears Prada 2 trailer discussion: 59:06–62:39
Upcoming Beatles films: 64:14–66:47
Courtney Love documentary: 67:20–73:37

Final Notes

The episode is a must-listen for fashion obsessives, pop culture fiends, or anyone who appreciates an irreverent, withering take on the cycles of celebrity, red carpets, and style news.
Chelsea and Lauren’s wit is razor sharp—no sacred cows are spared, and their interwoven pop culture references and inside-baseball fashion insights are delivered with years of context and snark.

Next week: Valentine’s Day hotline episode with guest Carly Shortino—call in with your sex, love, and relationship questions!