259: On the Grammys, Sydney Sweeney, Pieter Mulier

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast Episode 259: On the Grammys, Sydney Sweeney, Pieter Mulier

Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garroni

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Overview

In this episode, Chelsea and Lauren serve up their signature fashion commentary and pop culture dissection, with the 2026 Grammys as the jumping-off point. They break down memorable red carpet moments, awkward live television gaffes, and what the night’s looks tell us about music’s current “alt girl” moment. The hosts also take deep dives into Sydney Sweeney’s new lingerie line and the Cosmo cover discourse; the latest shakeups at iconic fashion houses like Versace and Alaïa; and the casting for several buzzy upcoming films and series, including Ryan Murphy’s newest show and the Beatles biopics. Expect sharp, no-BS opinions, trademark wit, and a healthy dose of cultural side-eyes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

RIP Katherine O’Hara (02:00) and Cher’s Grammys Gaffe (02:10 – 05:10)

• The show opens with a quick tribute to Katherine O’Hara (with a plug for their VIP episode about her).
• The main intro dives into Cher’s chaotic moment at the Grammys, comparing it to infamous award show blunders (like Faye Dunaway/La La Land and Travolta’s “Adele Dazeem”).
• Cher’s post-award confusion, mispronunciation of “Luther Vandross,” and her quirky speech are discussed in-depth.
  • Quote (Chelsea, 02:29): “She fucked up as much as a person could while presenting an award or giving an acceptance speech.”
  • Quote (Lauren, 03:20): “That long pause did remind me of the Faye Dunaway Warren Beatty saying that La La Land won…”
• They speculate that Cher may have been a last-minute Record of the Year presenter after someone else pulled out.

Grammys Fashion Deep-Dive (05:51 – 13:09)

• The hosts dissect what makes a good Grammys look—somewhere between Oscars elegance and VMA irreverence.
  • Lady Gaga’s triple-look “high fashion odyssey”: discusses Fecal Matter’s McQueen-esque dress, two archival McQueens, and how artists switch outfits between performances and photos.
  • Chapel Roan’s Mugler ‘nipple dress’–both thought-provoking and divisive.
    • Quote (Lauren, 08:58): “I just–I let out a heavy sigh… I guess you could say I didn’t like it.”
  • Billie Eilish’s Hodakova look: lauded for alt-girl chic but confusing in photos; runway differences dissected.
  • New term “Rodeo Goth” coined by Chelsea for women like Diane Warren who blend luxury and gothic elements.
  • They also highlight Lola Young’s Vivienne Westwood moment, Addison Rae’s red carpet win (best dressed in Alaïa), and Teyana Taylor’s busy multi-hyphenate schedule—including culinary school.

Standout Men’s Moments at the Grammys (24:03 – 33:16)

• Long chat about Justin Bieber’s performance in lilac silk boxers—also promoting his Skylark brand (“Yeezy does the 60s” vibe).
• Scene-stealing performances: Jelly Roll’s weight loss and new veneers, and Bad Bunny’s corseted Schiaparelli tuxedo, which prompts both sartorial and emotional reactions.
  • Bad Bunny’s stunned reaction to winning Album of the Year becomes a meme.
  • Quote (Lauren, 28:53): “His name is called and he just sits in his chair with his head back…”
• Harry Styles’ Dior look: “Topman 2012 vibes,” but Chelsea is into it.

The Grammys: Production Issues & Other Notables (33:20 – 34:20)

• Lauryn Hill’s tributes in the in memoriam segment, but the chaotic editing makes it hard to follow who's being honored.
  • Reba McEntire and Post Malone’s Black Sabbath tribute is unexpectedly good.
• Quote (Chelsea, 33:52): “It was just a strange way to film an in memoriam.”

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Hot Topics: Sydney Sweeney & Lingerie Branding (36:35 – 47:32)

• Sydney Sweeney’s Cosmo cover and “Siren” lingerie line:
  • Hosts break down the controversy around Sweeney, pop culture’s lack of media literacy (“why does no one see the David LaChapelle reference?”), and the cover’s campy, surreal energy.
    • Quote (Chelsea, 38:10): “I like that the image looks like an old school Cosmo cover. But it’s also deeply strange… her hair looks all crazy, she’s pushing up her tits with her hands and her tits are huge…a very demonic smile.”
  • Deep critique of Siren’s branding, muddled website, and lack of “point of view.”
    • Quote (Lauren, 44:36): “Because I can’t find anything. That’s my problem.”
    • Quote (Chelsea, 45:34): “It’s not good. This is just reminding me of my other lingerie pet peeve…”

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Fashion News: Pieter Mulier to Versace, Designer Shuffle (49:31 – 52:11)

• Pieter Mulier’s jump from Alaïa to Versace is “exciting but untested.” Will he keep Versace’s signature sexiness and logo obsession?
  • Discussion of what happens to Alaïa next—speculation that Maximilian Davis (Ferragamo) could be a contender.
  • Chelsea: “It’s hard for me to understand the current Versace customer personally, but we shall see.”
• The importance of not “alienating the current customer” while evolving a house’s DNA.

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Pop Culture & Upcoming Projects (52:11 – 66:47)

• Ryan Murphy’s American Love Story: JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette focus; strong cast, period accuracy praised; Naomi Watts as Jackie O.
  • Quote (Lauren, 54:08): “It does feel like a star is born kind of moment…this guy Paul Kelly looks exactly like JFK Jr.”
• The Beauty: Bizarre Ryan Murphy show that’s "incoherent in the best way"—a mash-up of TV tropes. Production values praised, but too few extras for its sprawling locations.
• The Devil Wears Prada 2 trailer: Mystery abounds—fans speculate about Miranda Priestly’s memory loss/dementia.
  • Quote (Chelsea, 60:05): “The only plot point that was revealed is that Miranda Priestly may have dementia.”
  • Chelsea & Lauren joke that the original film was also “just five montages stitched together.”
• Baz Luhrmann’s Beatles Films: Four films, one for each Beatle, announced for 2028—production stills assessed. Saoirse Ronan as Linda McCartney, Amy Lou Wood as Patty Boyd; mixed reactions to casting based on promo photos.
  • Quote (Chelsea, 66:04): “Paul as Paul looks really legit. That’s kind of the best one.”

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Documentary Watch: Courtney Love’s “Anti-Heroine” (67:20 – 73:37)

• Sundance premiere, distribution TBA—deemed “incredibly juicy” even if it shies away from the most sensational topics.
  • Focuses on Courtney’s post-Kurt, pre-2000s “Hollywood moment,” including her acting and music renaissance.
  • Both hope for a full memoir one day.
    • Quote (Chelsea, 72:48): “Like, that’s iconic. But more of that. More of the juicy, gossipy stuff.”
• Courtney’s eccentric, honest persona is celebrated.

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Film News & Apologies (73:37 – END)

• Todd Haynes’ new noir “Denoche” moving forward with Pedro Pascal after Joaquin Phoenix ditched the project.
• The closing section sees Chelsea and Lauren issuing corrections (mispronunciations, music genres, and Schiaparelli’s designer origin).

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Memorable Quotes & Segments

• Cher’s gaffe: “She fucked up as much as a person could while presenting an award or giving an acceptance speech.” (Chelsea, 02:29)
• Sydney Sweeney’s Cosmo cover: “It’s a very, like, strange, surreal image… all it’s missing is like a Labu boo with its eyes bulged out looking at her tits.” (Chelsea, 38:39)
• Rodeo Goth: “They will go to Tom Ford and buy leather leggings and then wear them with a black and white tweed Chanel Jack.” (Chelsea, 16:26)
• On the state of the Grammys: “Award shows start for us at 5 because it starts at 8pm on the east Coast. …I just happen to have the TV on at 1pm and I’m watching FKA twigs walk down the red carpet and I’m like, wait, are the Grammys starting way ahead? But no.” (Lauren, 11:19)
• On the Devil Wears Prada 2: “The only plot point that was revealed is that Miranda Priestly may have dementia.” (Chelsea, 60:05)
• Courtney Love gossip: “Like, I remember reading some interview with her once and she talks about how she [slept with] Kate Moss after a Versace party, and she’s like, I don’t think Kate cares that I’m saying this publicly.” (Chelsea, 72:28)

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Notable Timestamps

• Grammys fashion round-up: 05:51–13:09
• Rodeo Goth and Diane Warren: 16:05–17:30
• Sydney Sweeney’s lingerie line/Siren: 36:35–47:32
• Pieter Mulier to Versace: 49:31–52:11
• Devil Wears Prada 2 trailer discussion: 59:06–62:39
• Upcoming Beatles films: 64:14–66:47
• Courtney Love documentary: 67:20–73:37

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Final Notes

• The episode is a must-listen for fashion obsessives, pop culture fiends, or anyone who appreciates an irreverent, withering take on the cycles of celebrity, red carpets, and style news.
• Chelsea and Lauren’s wit is razor sharp—no sacred cows are spared, and their interwoven pop culture references and inside-baseball fashion insights are delivered with years of context and snark.

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Next week: Valentine’s Day hotline episode with guest Carly Shortino—call in with your sex, love, and relationship questions!

Transcript

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[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garrone]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

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And welcome back to another episode of.

[Lauren Garrone]

The Every Outfit podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

RIP to our queen, Katherine o'. Hara.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, the patron saint, we've realized, of the glamorous women having nervous breakdown genre.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're not going to talk about her today because we already recorded a VIP episode about that, so check that out if you care to. But we have another iconic woman of a certain age to talk about, and that would be Cher.

[Lauren Garrone]

Are you referring to Cher's Faye Dunaway moment at the Grammys this past weekend?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I was so obsessed with that because it's like she fucked up as much as a person could while presenting an award or giving an acceptance speech.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah. For those who didn't tune into the Grammys, here's what you missed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And the Grammy goes to.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, they told me it was going to be on the prompter. Oh, the comic goes to Luther Grandros.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why does this feel like a Jennifer Coolidge character?

[Lauren Garrone]

I think the blonde wig doesn't help matters. It's giving Jennifer Coolidge that mixed with the. The gaffe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, just her being like, I thought it would be on the prompter is very Jennifer Coolidge.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, that long pause did remind me of the Faye Dunaway Warren Beatty saying that La La Land won because that is what they saw.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but it's also Adele Dazeem because of the mispronunciation of Luther Vandross. Although I understand where she was coming from with that because she obviously combined, like, Grammy and Vandross. Like, she had those words swirling around in her head. And I relate to this because we do approximations of all the time. Like, sometimes I listen back to an episode of the podcast because we're editing it, and I'm like, is that English? Like, what the fuck did we just say?

[Lauren Garrone]

What Cher meant to say was that Kendrick Lamar had won record of the year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Record of the year for the song Luther, which sampled a Luther Vandross song.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, so she wasn't completely off base.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, she didn't just make that up. It's so funny too, because, like, people on the Internet are like, oh, my God, does she not know who Luther Vandross is? It's like, he was gay and she is Cher. Obviously she knows who he is.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I guess the other question is, does she think Luther Vandross is still alive because he's dead? She did seem quite excited of like, oh, my God, Luther, I haven't seen you in so long. The other funny thing is that the cameras immediately cut to Kendrick Lamar and Sza and like, none of this stopped them. They're like, oh, we won.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We know what that old lady is talking about. The other thing that Cher did that was strange, there were many things. But also the way that this was set up to begin with was strange, right? Because Cher comes out, no one introduces her. Then Trevor Noah comes on stage and is like, here is an honorary Grammy. Cher. Then she gives an acceptance speech. Then she tries to walk off thinking she's done, but really she has to present Record of the Year.

[Lauren Garrone]

I've seen it posited that perhaps the person that was actually supposed to announce Record of the Year pulled out at the last minute and they were like, well, we were going to give Cher this lifetime achievement award or whatever that award was right before it's just weird.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because usually when someone gets a lifetime achievement award, they are introduced by someone. It's not just the host coming on stage to give them the award.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know how at the Emmys, award shows are nominated for, like, best direction or best production? I don't think this year's Grammys is making it into that category. There weren't that many memorable moments. Or were there?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think there were. I'm happy to just get into the clothes. And the Grammys are always a strange vibe because some people dress like they're going to the VMAs, and other people dress like they're going to the Oscars. And I think a perfect Grammy look should strike a balance between those two things, which is why I liked what Lady Gaga wore her fecal matter dress.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, which look? There were multiple looks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The first red carpet look. Let's do Gaga's looks chronologically.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So the first one is this black feathered, very dramatic gown, McQueen esque, certainly by fecal matter, which is actually called Metier Fikal. But I like to say fecal matter here in America.

[Lauren Garrone]

I couldn't tell if you were like, the feathers were giving fecal matter.

[Chelsea Fairless]

These designers are actually Canadian, so I don't know why they feel the need to call this brand Fecal Matter, but in French. But anyway, that's a conversation for another time. It's funny that fecal matter is more McQueen than the brand McQueen is right now. At least the last couple of collections.

[Lauren Garrone]

Take that, Shawn McGurr. You might be next in the designer musical chairs. Yes. She wore the French label Fecal Matter, and then Also two archival McQueen looks, one on stage and then one backstage when she was being photographed with her Grammys, which I feel like is another thing that's unique to the Grammys. Like, there are always backstage photo sessions with the winners, but the Grammys has the most representation of artists who have won Grammys wearing different outfits for this photo call.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's true. The McQueen performance look was incredible. And also just an interesting choice because it is from the collection that the fecal matter look was referencing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which had a lot of feathers and, like, these very particular shoulders and stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

It was the fall, winter 2009, the horn of Plenty collection.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved the look, but I did feel like it distracted from the performance.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, this woman has performed abracadabra every which way at this point. Yeah, she's like, you know what? Let me just look at myself through a mirror. But I have to say that my favorite look was the third look from the aforementioned winner photo call where she was wearing Givenchy haute couture by McQueen and she looked like a sexy priest, basically.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It was kind of evoking Madonna in her gothic ray of light era. We also have to get into Chapel Roan's Mugler nipple dress. I'm curious to know what you thought.

[Lauren Garrone]

See, I just sighed. But that was a sigh of pleasure about you referencing Madonna's ray of light goth era. I have to say that when I was watching the red carpet and I saw Chapelron in this nipple titty look, I just. I let out a heavy sigh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So you didn't like it?

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess you could say I didn't like it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You could not like it. I'm not even going to defend it. I'm just curious.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think. Here's my issue is she changed into a suitable for television dress when she went to present. And I think my real issue is, like, commit to the bit. You think Gaga wore that meat dress at the VMAs on the red carpet and then switched into a different dress so that the people around her wouldn't smell rotting flesh? No, she committed to the bits.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it is normal to change if you're presenting at this point. I think. I don't know. For me, I like it in the sense that I do think that this is the look that will be remembered from this Grammys. And at the very least, it is interesting and it gives us something to talk about. But it's not my favorite look of hers. There's something about the color that feels like very not Mugler. Like, I don't think they've ever done anything in this color palette.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, also, the material and the use of the material and its construction is not really Mugler.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And I love the original Runway look, but this felt like a sort of Bushwick Ified version of the original reference. But that said, I do think that her stylist is great. I love how varied her red carpet looks are. I thought that what she wore to the premiere of Charlie xcx, his movie, was incredible. Did you see this?

[Lauren Garrone]

Let me look it up right now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was like a high fashion version of. Of a dominatrix doing one of those medical fetish scenarios.

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[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

That I really, really loved.

[Lauren Garrone]

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I don't know about Ethereal Chapel Roan.

[Lauren Garrone]

There was something that was amiss for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's true. And the Rodarte gown that she wore to present was also very ethereal. But I feel like FKA Twigs look, which was by Palo Carzana, was a more successful version of what Chapel Rome was doing because it was earthy and ethereal, giving kind of a sorceress vibe.

[Lauren Garrone]

But it was still a sexual. Isn't that the name of the song she won for? I don't know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do not know. But I thought that she looked cool.

[Lauren Garrone]

She looked amazing. The other thing about the Grammys that makes it an award show outlier is I just happen to have the TV on at 1pm we're on the West Coast. Award shows start for us at 5 because it starts at 8pm on the east Coast. Like, we're already prepared. That red carpet happens at like 3pm for us. I just happen to have the TV on at 1pm and I'm watching FKA twigs walk down the red carpet and I'm like, wait, are the Grammys starting way ahead? But no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's because they announce a lot of the awards right before the televised ceremony.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, unlike the Emmys that have the schmemis, the technical awards, a week or two before the actual Emmys, the Grammys have an untelevised award show that have actually legitimate awards, forcing these pop stars to get ready at, I don't know, eight in the morning so that they can walk the red carpet at 1pm it's pretty wild. Who else do we got? Billie Eilish.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, yet another alt girl. All of these women that we're talking about are including Cher. But I thought Billie looked cool. I love that she wore Hodakova. I feel like that's a great choice of brand for her. Although I feel like the jacket had the sleeves of a men's dress shirt affixed to it. Like it was a very surreal kind of deconstructed look. An upcycled look, I believe.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, have you seen what that look look like on the Runway?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. Because the Runway model was accessorized with a pair of pants that were affixed to her head with like her face popping out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And again, more major, but too extreme for Billie Eilish, I guess.

[Lauren Garrone]

But yeah, that would have looked very cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just feel like with the jacket, it probably looked amazing in person, but it looked kind of confusing in photographs because it wasn't immediately apparent what it was.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know what's also confusing? If I'm to understand this correctly, Billie Eilish won Song of the Year for the song Wildflower, a song that is on an album that came out in 2024. How is this allowed?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have no idea. But people are obsessed with that song for whatever reason. And by people I mean Gen Z. And I don't know. To me it's like, I don't think it's the strongest song on that album. But the Grammys love her. The Grammys literally cannot have a ceremony without giving her a Grammy.

[Lauren Garrone]

At this point, she is award show's favorite child. It's like if she's nominated for a Golden Globe, she's winning that Golden Globe. She's nominated for An Oscar. She's winning that Oscar.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It's like she's never lost.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I do think she's trying to by proxy kill Diane Warren, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can we talk about her? Look, also, when we were discussing the costuming of Moira Rose on our Schitt's Creek episode, we were talking about this very specific genre of well to do woman that is also gothic, like a Cher. And I think I've coined the perfect term for these women.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh, okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Rodeo goth.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because that's what it is. They will go to Tom Ford and buy leather leggings and then wear them with a black and white tweed Chanel Jack.

[Lauren Garrone]

But then go to the Beverly Hills Hotel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. And they'll have, like, their chrome hearts jewelry, but then they'll have their, like, quilted Chanel bag.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's a mix of extremes, and Diane.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Warren really is the patron saint of this look.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, did you see that she posted on Instagram? Because I guess people online are confused about who Diane Warren is and thought that maybe she was Ghislaine Maxwell out of prison. And so Diane Warren this week posted an okay news story about people thinking that she was Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I saw some tweet that was basically like, this poor bitch shows up every year just to lose and have people call her Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, at this point, I think Diane Warren needs to pivot if she wants to reach that EGOT status. She needs to be in a TV movie where she is Ghislaine Maxwell and does a song for this TV movie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe she could write the songs for, like, Ghislaine the Musical or something. That could be major.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, I don't know if you knew this, but Steven Spielberg has officially received EGOT status.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What did he win a Grammy for?

[Lauren Garrone]

He won a Grammy for, it seems, being a part of producing this John Williams album. I don't know. He's also technically a Tony winner because he produced a play or a musical. Sorry, guys. Called A Strange Lube, but his name is not on there. But he did produce it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so we still have no idea.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love that he has an Emmy for, I assume, producing Pinky and the Brain. I had no idea about that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's cool. It's kind of like this podcast. Don't worry, you're the Brain.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think it switches week to week, honestly. Who's Pinky and who's the Brain? All right, what other alt girls do we have to talk about?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there was Lola Young. Had one of the More subversive outfits, which was Vivian Westwood, which I thought was cool because she wore like a men's button down shirt and a tie with some sort of like Westwood track suit over it that had like a photo print of, like stuffed animals or something. It felt a little Mike Kelly vibes.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think when you're a young artist, especially a young female artist, it's hard not to fall into a certain trope or aesthetic. And this, to me, felt like a breath of fresh. Totally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But also like something that Billie Eilish would have worn previously. Now she's a bit more girly, I guess.

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She won for Best New Artist.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, she lost Best New Artist to Olivia Dean, but she won in the Best Pop Vocal category and I thought that was cool because she clearly didn't think she was going to win. So to me, that was one of the more fun acceptance speeches because it felt so genuine and unrehearsed.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, during the Best New Artist Performance montage, other than Addison Rae, every song, I was just like, oh, I've heard that on TikTok. That's a TikTok sound.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah. It was nice to put a face to the people that were singing all.

[Lauren Garrone]

Of these songs that we've only heard in other people's Instagram Reels and TikTok videos.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but when I was watching Addison Rae, I was like, oh, my God, like, Joni Mitchell is watching this right now. Can you imagine? Like, she didn't even fuck with Madonna. Can you imagine what she thinks of Addison Rae?

[Lauren Garrone]

You know what? Maybe she loves her. Maybe she saw that asymmetrical Alaia dress and was like, good for her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She looked great. That was amazing. That was one of the best red carpet looks. But that seems to be Addison Rae's role these days, is being the best dressed on the carpet.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, to a certain brand of people. Something tells me that she ended up on the worst dress list. We think she's one of the best dressed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. People seem to be into her generally, even if they're not that familiar with her music. At least on the fashion side of the Internet, I guess.

[Lauren Garrone]

For sure. Speaking of fashion girlies, we failed to mention Miley Cyrus and Celine did not love not Miley.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To me, like, she's a fashion girl and she's a chameleon. So obviously she can wear all sorts of different clothes. But when I saw this look, I was like, this looks like something that Cate Blanchett would wear to the Berlin Film Festival, not something that Miley Cyrus would wear to The Grammys.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. So she was wearing kind of structured suit pants and then this cropped biker jacket and then this gigantic, really spiritually Samantha Jones comically large brooch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Or like a series of brooches. A cluster. And that's the styling that. That they're known for in the Michael Ryder era. Although this was a more exaggerated version of that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To me it didn't do much, nor did it relate to the album that she was nominated for. And the look that went along with.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know, maybe that's her silent protest to, like, I did all of the work and none of you paid attention to this album. Like, fuck you. This is the look you're getting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I listened to it. Never listened to it again. But I did listen to it.

[Lauren Garrone]

And Teyana Taylor was also there. And Tom Ford, what does her schedule look like? Because she is actively in awards promotion for one battle after another. So she's going to all of the press screenings. She's doing snl, she's going to the award shows. Did you also know that she's in culinary school? No. She thought that she was going to have downtime, so she decided to go to culinary school. So she is actively, like having food assignments. I watched some interview where she had to ask and her professor gave her an extension because she had some project due the Monday after she had won a Golden Globe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope she's cooking her food in these outfits like Nara Smith. A girl can dream.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, my God. Her trying to make a souffle in that Tom Ford.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we get into some of the men?

[Lauren Garrone]

If we must.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Justin Bieber is a standout to me, specifically his performance look, which is how.

[Lauren Garrone]

I learned that he has his own boxer line.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How did you not know about Skylark?

[Lauren Garrone]

I didn't, but I went to the Skylark website last night and I was like, oh, all of like the goofy glasses he wears. And like I got it, it's, it's his brand. It's a very symbiotic sort of thing going on of like, do you like these glasses? Like paparazzi. If you're going to photograph me every day, might as well do free promo for my boxer and accessory line.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, the shoes are a big part of it. The slides and the socks, I think those were like the first pieces that he started wearing from Skylark. But if you haven't seen any of this, imagine if Yeezy had more of like Kareem rashid, like early 2000s. Does the 60s kind of look right?

[Lauren Garrone]

Certainly for the eyeglasses.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's also, and the shoes and everything. The cell phone cases.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I missed the cell phone cases. I did see that he had like a pair of jeans which felt kind of thrown in there. But then also, if I had insane amounts of money and an interest in design, it'd be like, you know, I want a pair of jeans that I like specifically for me and might as well sell it as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. To me, I'm not like offended by Skylark, but it's yet to really impress me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I went on the website to be like, great. He wore these beautiful lilac, I assume, silk boxers. Where are they on the website? All I see are some tighty whitey, Calvin Klein esque boxer briefs.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know we know it's Skylark because we can see the logo in the Grammys performance. But I agree with you. Valentine's Day is coming up. That's like the one time when people are actually like, oh, I'm going to buy some silk boxers or some satin boxers. I'm sure. But I loved his performance. I was a little scared when I first saw him because I thought, like, oh, is this like a mental health crisis vibe?

[Lauren Garrone]

Because he walked out with only a guitar, no backing band. And yes, as you said, only in silk boxers and socks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also from Skylark, presumably.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I did, like, not very subtle, but it was a stripped down performance of his song Yukon, and he was stripped down himself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He was incredible. I thought it was one of his best performances and not what I expected to see from him at all.

[Lauren Garrone]

Can I tell you something? I was talking to my mom the other night about the Grammys, and she's like, I listen to all the songs. This is not actually how my mom sounds. We have almost identical voices. But I'm infusing her personality. She's like, I wrote down all the.

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Songs I liked from the performance performances.

[Lauren Garrone]

And then I went down and I listened to them on itunes and I didn't like a single one, so I didn't download any of them. So I guess she liked Justin Bieber's live performance of UConn, but then felt it was not reflective of the album recording.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yeah, it is very different than the album recording, but I thought he was great. And yeah, the boxers, it was giving, like, a Red Hot Chili Peppers kind of vibe, which elder millennials like us will appreciate.

[Lauren Garrone]

Honestly, given that reference. I appreciate his restraint.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, true. We could have gotten a lot more of Justin Bieber.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know, we work off of an outline, and it's very funny to sometimes see what the other person writes in the outline. And I'm delighted to see you have written, when did jelly roll lose 100 pounds?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Girl, he did not lose 100 pounds. I was about to say he's lost 275 pounds. Pounds.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And this is the thing. In the age of Ozempic, I'm not surprised that he's lost a significant amount of weight, but I'm surprised only because I feel like Jelly Roll is someone that I have been so inundated with. Like, I can't go a day of my life without seeing Jelly Roll. So I'm like, when did this happen? But it's happened over the course of the last few years. But he lost the last, like, 115 pounds this past year, which made a huge difference. And I don't know if you noticed, but he got veneers. He has a whole new set of teeth. He was on the COVID of Men's Health. Lauren.

[Lauren Garrone]

Jelly Roll, I was about to say, it feels like someone's Read his Men's Health article. Did you stick around for the YouTube video where he shows off his refrigerator?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I did not. But I did love his acceptance speech. It was very, very religious. But, you know, I vibed with his enthusiasm and his energy and the fact that, like Lola Young, I don't think he thought he would win and seemed very excited to win.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, speaking of another person who didn't think they were gonna win and has now become a meme. Bad Bunny.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why has he become a meme? Oh, because he was crying.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, the part where he. His name is called and he just sits in his chair with his head back has become.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Memified. Like, you know when your boss asks if you have 15 minutes?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right, of course. I thought that was quite moving. I watch award shows because I want to see genuine emotion from people that win. And this was a huge deal.

[Lauren Garrone]

So you're gonna have to take me through it. I will fully admit I did not watch towards the end of the show because my child is in the middle of teething and it has been hell. He won Album of the Year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. He won Album of the Year because.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I know we have this conversation every year, Record of the Year is technically a song.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, he won for his album.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is such a big week from him. Sunday to Sunday. Right. It's like last Sunday, he won the biggest award of the night at the Grammys. And then this coming Sunday, he will be doing the halftime show at the super bowl, which might start a civil war. I'm not sure we'll see.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But good for him. Although I want to talk about his look because he wore Schiaparelli. They don't usually do men's looks. And it was basically like a tuxedo that was corseted, and then the back of the jacket had lacing on it. Although it seems like kind of functionless lacing. Like, I don't think it was, like, snatching his waist.

[Lauren Garrone]

No. And if you. There's a Vogue video about it and they show the reference image from. I think it was the couture show, where it led to a much more exaggerated waist.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was designed for Mr. Pearl. That's my complaint with this. Not that I don't think he looked good and looked hot, but, like, the waist wasn't snatched enough for the look. It made the concept of the look not really come through. Although I don't think that Bad Bunny should have a snatched waist. I think that would look fucking weird on him.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think he is often put in avant Garde looks. I don't know if they completely work. Like, he is a very hot person, and, like, whether it's the Met gala or this Grammys, like, he is put in rather conceptual looks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Sometimes they give him a little too much fashion. I think he can pull off a lot of fashion, but I don't know. To me, this look was kind of neither here nor there. I don't think it was bad, but I don't think it was great.

[Lauren Garrone]

Speaking of a lot of fashion, can we get into Harry Styles and Dior?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved that. I don't think it was too much fashion. Like, obviously wearing, like, a green slide with a bow on it is, like, alternative, let's say, and a little cropped, like, Dior bar jacket. But I think the level of formality was quite cool for the Grammys.

[Lauren Garrone]

You mean the mixture of that very structured jacket with the jeans with the slides?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I thought he looked cool.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think that Harry Styles is a perfect representation of the Dior man under Jonathan Anderson. It's just that I saw a tweet that said this look is giving Top Man 2012, and I can't unsee it.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

It's a little Top man in that the jacket is cropped. And I think that's what we associate with Top man is like, a cropped jacket and like, a skinny, skinny trouser from the Indiesley's era. But I was into it. Good for him. Also, I want to give a shout out. My friend Cody Critchlow was nominated in the album cover category, which was so cool. And that's a new category that they've never had before. He photographed the COVID of the last Perfume Genius record, which looked really incredible, and he looked amazing on the red carpet in Saint Laurent. It was like a very 80s, relaxed, menswear sort of look with a strong shoulder. Again, I think a good level of formality for the Grammys.

[Lauren Garrone]

There you go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is there anything else worth discussing? You missed the longest in memoriam section in history. Really, it was like Reba McEntire post Malone doing the Black Sabbath tribute, which was quite good.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not the two people I would have thought to put together for that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He was really, really good. And honestly, next year at the Grammys, we won't be able to tell him and Jelly Roll apart.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was about to say I was gonna comment when we were discussing about Jelly Roll. Like, if he did not have the very distinctive face tattoos, he would just look like a totally different person.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know the continuity of the face tattoos is really, really important. He is Lucky to have that. And then Lauryn Hill did tributes to both d' Angelo and to Roberta Flack. But it was kind of wild because, like, it was an in memoriam section, but you couldn't tell who died because like they had people's photos flashing in the background, but you couldn't see like their names. And then they would cut away from it so often that it's like you'd see like Polystyrene's face for like half a second. Then you'd be like, wait, what?

[Lauren Garrone]

And then it would be like Jack Antonoff in the audience.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was just a strange way to film an in memoriam.

[Lauren Garrone]

Again, this award show will not be nominated for an Emmy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Amazing to see Lauryn Hill, though.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's always fascinating to see the award shows or events that Lauryn Hill will come out for. Like this. And then the SNL50 concert.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah, right. That's where I had seen her.

[Lauren Garrone]

And then other than that, she's back in, I think New Jersey is where she lives.

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[Lauren Garrone]

Some clothes with them.

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How did that go?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was great. I went to the Brentwood store for the first time. Never been there before. It's like being in another country in Brentwood. But I did try on a seven thousand dollar Bulgari watch while I waited, which was fun.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did not purchase?

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

But I loved the experience.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Lauren Garrone]

On the RealReal that I no longer wear. And I gotta say, about 75% of them have already sold and it's only been a few weeks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's great. Did you get the store credit?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, Chelsea, I'm taking my commission at store credit. What about you?

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[Lauren Garrone]

Anything at the moment?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've been trying to not shop on the RealReal because it is like an addictive thing for me. But when I come back to it, I think I want to start buying more suits and stuff like that. More timeless things, versatile things.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

It's just like menswear is more interchangeable. I just want to make getting dressed simpler for myself. Anyway, the RealReal is one of the most trusted names in authenticated luxury resale. With over 10, 000 new arrivals daily. No one does resale like the Real Real. And now get 25 off on your first purchase when you go to therealreal.com outfit. That's therealreal.com outfit. To get your 25 off. Start shopping [e-mail] outfit. Anywho, moving on to some other hot topics, I am absolutely dying to talk to you about Sydney Sweeney, who has done two newsworthy things that are connected. She is on the COVID of Cosmopolitan and she has a new lingerie line called. Is it called CERN or is it called Siren because it's spelled S Y, R N?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, it's Siren. Don't worry. I did a deep dive on the Siren website. We should say she is on the COVID of Cosmo, which. Does that even have a print component anymore?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think so, although I haven't seen it like at a supermarket in years.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, certainly this cover is not suitable for children at supermarkets. But she is promoting her new lingerie line on the COVID of Cosmo, which.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why is it spelled like that? Because if they wanted to call it Siren, they could have just called it Siren. I read it as CERN and it immediately made me think of that scientific research center in Switzerland.

[Lauren Garrone]

The one that does assisted suicide?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, not the one that does assisted suicide. I'll tell you about it later.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. Do you want to get into the Cosmo cover or the merits of Siren? Because I have a lot of thoughts about that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you choose.

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[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, the Cosmo cover, I guess, is controversial.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's controversial because people don't fuck with Sydney Sweeney and think that she's a white supremacist after the American Eagle debacle.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right? And she's wearing a gigantic push up bra and she's in all pink. And I feel like we've lost all semblance of media literacy because I did not see a single person discuss the fact that this cover looks like an old school David lachapelle Rolling Stone cover.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're right, it does have a lachapelle quality. I actually loved this cover. And it's not because I'm a big Sydney Sweeney fan, but it's because don't lie.

[Lauren Garrone]

I saw on the business credit card you ordered from Siren.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, shut the fuck up. I did not. I like that the image looks like an old school Cosmo cover. But it's also deeply strange. It's more like a co. A parody of Cosmopolitan and of Sidney herself, because her hair looks all crazy. She's pushing up her tits with her hands and her tits are huge. She has this like very demonic smile on her face and all it's missing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Is like a Labu boo with its eyes bulged out. Looking at her tits, I think they.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Photographed her lying down and that's how her hair looks like that. Like, I don't think it was a wind machine, but it's a very, like, strange, surreal image. Because with Cosmo, we're obviously used to people being photographed standing up. Cosmo historically has had a very uniform look to it and photography style that was created by Francesco Scavolo, who photographed the COVID of Cosmo for 30 straight years. And I like that this is a demented homage to that. And I wish they would do more of that with the current incarnation of Cosmo, which has been a little hard for me, I will admit, because they hire cool photographers like Richard Kern or Lauren Greenfield, but, like, the clothes are always fucked so it never ends up looking good.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. This was photographed by Morgan Marr, who I'm not familiar with.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's like a child of Ellen Von Unworth, you know?

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, she photographed that Lily Allen Perfect magazine shoot that came out recently. I believe she did the ads for I Love la. She's kind of like an it girl photographer. She also did the new issue of Polyester with Sky Ferreira. Those photos of her.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right, right, right. I mean, we should say for those who haven't seen the COVID Sydney Sweeney, of course, is known for her voluptuous body and her large breasts.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's no big natural.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. Big natties. But she is photographed in such a way, in looking at it, I think maybe she was even upside down. And that's how they got this bounce. Because also she's not only wearing a push up bra, she's also pushing her breasts up to make them look like, honestly, an early 2000s Pamela Anderson level of cleavage.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I like that. It's leaning into the artifice of the whole situation. That said, I'm not into the interior photographs, not because of the photos themselves, but again, because of the styling, which I find to be really difficult. And she had to wear that siren lingerie. But there's a way to style cheap, trashy clothes and have it look good. Like someone like a Mel Ottenberg or Haley Wallins is very good at doing that. Gabriel held people like that. But this, to me, did not come together.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I do want to get into the Siren website, but before we do, Sydney Sweeney, in promotion of this lingerie line, has done two attention grabbing things. One is this Cosmo cover that we just spoke about. And the other is on Monday, she posted an Instagram video of herself and other friends seemingly in the middle of the night, scaling the Hollywood sign and throwing her Siren bras all over the Hollywood sign. And some have suggested that there's no way that she could have actually done this. The head of the Hollywood Sign Trust put out a statement insisting that filming had taken place without authorization. And they were adamant that parts of the footage were digitally altered. This is not the first time that the Hollywood sign has been used for promotion or for a prank. Do you remember when we woke up January 1, 2017, the Hollywood sign had been changed to Hollyweed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How could I forget? That's back when I lived by it, I believe.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, so she did that. All right, now we can get into the line itself, because I did a deep dive on the website. Now, Sweeney has explained that the reason she's created this lingerie line is because she wants to address nagging issues like annoying bra straps and cutting bands. And her goal is to build a brand that understands women instead of talking at them. Isn't that what Fenty and Skims is already doing? Like, shouldn't her narrative be like, women with big fat natties need cute lingerie too?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, my problem with it is that to me, there's nothing that distinguishes it from any other lingerie brand. Like, to me, it looks like a cheaper version of, like, a honey burdette or something like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And just from a design standpoint, there's nothing about it that speaks to me. I personally wouldn't want to wear any of this stuff. I do appreciate that she's stayed away from my least favorite lingerie trope at the moment, which is having 10,000 tiny little bondagey straps on everything. I hate that shit.

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[Lauren Garrone]

Chelsea, could you go to the Siren website? Because I'm about to get into my next issue with it, which has less.

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To do with her.

[Lauren Garrone]

It has to do with whoever handled the branding around it because the brand concept is incredibly muddled. So there's a section on the website that says, meet the Sirens, and it's referred to as, everything is romantic, a little playful. Grab a book and get comfy, Become a seductress. Chelsea. There are more Personas than initial lingerie, and that's a problem like, they launch with basically five pieces. First of all, meeting the sirens and then having an adjective of, like, the activity you could do while wearing this lingerie makes no sense. But beyond the sirens, there seem to be different editorial narratives for each lingerie drop. The first being somewhere only we know, which has, like, a lot of writing and Polaroids. And then there's another editorial called, like that corny song. Yes, but Chelsea, I think the design that offends you the most would be found in their next editorial called all about the assets that features lingerie that's only coming soon. It's not even available now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, skims does that also. And I like it because you can plan to buy something if it's a drop that you think will sell out immediately.

[Lauren Garrone]

How are you feeling about this website?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because I can't find anything. That's my problem.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's what I'm saying. It's very difficult. You can shop the collection of which there's only five pieces. I believe once you scroll down, it's like, meet the sirens.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It seems like there's more than five pieces. It's just hard to find them.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, somewhere on the website, it says, all yours, Love Sid. And frankly, I think Love Sid would be a better name than Siren. Oh, totally. Love Sid is great because Siren with all the vowels taken out, it's just giving 2016 direct to consumer millennial brand.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's not sexual also. And that's an important component of lingerie. Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

So it's sy rn and between the font and the logo version of it and the colors they've chosen, I've seen many people online be like, this looks like a salad dressing line more than a lingerie line.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's not good. This is just reminding me of my other lingerie pet peeve, which is that everyone sells garter belts or corsets with attached garter belts. No one sells the stockings that go with them. And if they do sell stockings, they all have that nightmare sticky stuff on the inside so that they're, like, glued to your thigh, which doesn't work with those little metal fasteners that are on a garter belt. This is like, the craziest thing to me that it's so hard to find stockings without that in this day and age. I've honestly, honestly given up.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah, or else you have to pay $70 for, like, Wolford tights that are immediately gonna get ruined.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

How about you solve that problem, Sydney Sweeney?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, the way that Kylie Jenner was like, you know what would be crazy? If we sold a lip liner in a lipstick together, the same should be true of a. Of a garter belt and stockings.

[Lauren Garrone]

Just to wrap up the Sydney Sweeney conversation, she did so much work, it seemed to get out of the character, this bimbo character that she was portrayed as in Euphoria. She became a really smart producer. She made that movie Immaculate, where she found the director who she had worked with on a movie called Voyeurs. And Immaculate was cool. And then, like, I don't know, in the last year, every move she's made has just felt like a right wing grifter move.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, I don't see how this is necessarily right.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's smart for her to have a lingerie brand. I just don't think this is well executed. And it shows to me that, like, no one really cares about this brand. No one that's making it, I mean.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, you think this was a silent protest from the creative team?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I just. It doesn't seem like a lot of thought has gone into this genuinely. It seems like a cash grab. That said, I'm sure there's a big audience for this. I'm seeing that some things are sold out. I don't know how many garter belts they made, but seven.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, should we move on?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Because we've perhaps spent more time talking about Sydney Sweeney's lingerie line than she spent thinking about her lingerie line.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Lauren and I have been on record that our Lola blankets are our favorite blankets. I practically live in mine.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

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[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

It's horrible. I'm very possessive. But I'm thinking that I could give her her own Lola blanket for Valentine's Day.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. Why not give the gift of being cozy this Valentine's Day?

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I mean, a Lola blanket will last.

[Lauren Garrone]

Longer than flowers or chocolate.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. Or I could upgrade to the XL Lola blanket so we could both snuggle underneath it. It is called the biggest blanket on the Internet.

[Lauren Garrone]

Beyond Valentine's Day, a Lola blanket is just a great gift in general. Family, friends, partners, co workers. Co workers. I mean, not us. We already have Lola blankets. But, you know, imagine just giving a.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Lola blanket to your co worker.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

A Lola blanket isn't just a blanket. It's a home upgrade gift. It instantly elevates every space, making it feel warm, cozy and styled. Especially if you want to work from your couch all day, as I do. Wow. I just made myself sound so sad.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

In fashion news, Peter Mueller departed Alaia and it was just announced today that he has been appointed at Versace, which we knew about. So this is a surprise to no one, but this seems like a great fit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, really, how are you doing? I know you're still wounded by the Dario Vitali of it all, of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it's like there's nothing I can do about that now. They're not going to course correct and if they're not going to course correct. I'm excited about this. What he did at Alaia was major, but I'm curious to see what he does at Versace. Just because to me his work is inseparable from all of those Alaia isms. Like when I think about him, I think about leather dresses and white shirts and like, stuff like that. And before that he was a Raph person, one of Raph's right hands. So he also has that kind of look in him. I'm just curious to see how this is all going to come together for Versace and also what side of Versace he's interested in and also how he's going to address this sort of like the logo aspect of Versace. We haven't really seen him do anything like that before.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's true. Even though he designed accessories at Alaia, it's not like I Alaia necessarily. Obviously the name Alaia was used as a logo, but you know, Versace is so synonymous with the Medusa. He's never had an emblem to work with.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He's also gonna have to design like those like baroque bathrobes and shit at some point.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think it is clear, given Dario Vitaly's quick exit, that what they are interested in is not alienating the current Versace customer. I mean, I think it's the same MO as what they wanted at Chanel. They don't want to alienate the current customer, but they want to bring in a younger, cooler set of consumers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's hard for me to understand the current Versace customer personally, but we shall see. Because with Chanel, it's like Chanel isn't tacky.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Chanel doesn't have a Euro trash aesthetic. With Dario Vitale, he leaned into that. He leaned into the gay side of Versace. The trashy side of Versace. I don't know if Peter Mullier is interested in trashy or interested in gay. I'm again, I'm excited to see what he latches onto, but I'm sure it will be great because he's proven himself to be someone that can design really, really appealing, really sexy clothes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, now the question is, who goes to Alaia? I've seen rumors that Maximilian Davis, who's done great work at Ferragamo, might depart and go to Alaia.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That seems like a great fit. I support that. So shall we discuss the American Love Story trailer? A new Ryan Murphy series is upon us.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, a new entry in the American Story saga. Yeah. We had horror. Then we had crime. Now we have love.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm not mad at it. This looks good.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I am always seated for a Ryan Murphy show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sadly.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sadly or not, I mean, there are different variants of Ryan Murphy shows, Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's different strains.

[Lauren Garrone]

We'll get into the Beauty in a second. There are ideas that come from him. The Beauty is one of those. There are things that he produces that other people have. Have created. American crime story, the O.J. simpson one was written by two other guys, the guys that wrote Ed Wood and the People versus Larry Flynt. This American love story, which is about JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, is based on a book, Once Upon a Time by Elizabeth Beller. So there is some source material. And it does seem. I know people lost their minds during the original paparazzi images, but it does seem like they have gone out of their way to be very faithful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, they, of course, corrected.

[Lauren Garrone]

But also just the copious amount of images, videos. Like, I don't think Ryan Murphy is unaware that the knives are out for him. If this is not pitch perfect and not sensitive to the family, especially with what has recently happened, the latest tragedy that has befallen this family.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. With Tatiana Schlossberg. The proximity of that to the release of this is not good.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which is probably why we've only got the first trailer to this series the week before it comes out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Which was wise of them. For sure. But yeah, I'm really excited.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, it does feel like a star is born kind of moment. This guy Paul Kelly looks exactly like JFK Jr. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who the fuck is he?

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Has he, like, never been in anything else or what's his IMDb situation?

[Lauren Garrone]

Let's take a look. And who's playing Carolyn Bessette?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sarah Pigeon?

[Lauren Garrone]

He must come from theater or something, because his only other credit is something called body language from 2010.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow, that's exciting.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is the power of casting directors. Can we talk about some other casting, which is Grace Gummer is Caroline Kennedy Perfect.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm down for that.

[Lauren Garrone]

The thing I would like to speak about the most in this trailer is the fact that Alessandro Novello seems to be Calvin Klein in this series.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, the Calvin Klein offices look incredible. I just want to be in that world. So I'm looking forward to watching this. Just for escapist reasons, it seems like.

[Lauren Garrone]

They'Ve done the impossible, which is to capture the mid to late 90s in a very, very accurate way. Also, when I was looking at the IMDb Leela George, who was in that wacky Cate Blanchett. Not wacky, like very dark, but that Cate Blanchett. Sacha Baron Cohen Apple TV series we saw. Oh, yeah, Disclosure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, the hot one.

[Lauren Garrone]

The hot one is playing Kelly Klein.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, nice.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, and I've totally buried the lead at the fact that Naomi Watts is playing Jackie O.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She. She played her sister, and now she's playing Jackie herself.

[Lauren Garrone]

And then Dre Hemingway is going to play Daryl Hannah. So it seems like there's going to be flashbacks to JFK Jr's previous life.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Any Sarah Jessica Parker flashbacks?

[Lauren Garrone]

I didn't see her listed on IMDb, but we should have tried to get the wax figure in the background or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I want to talk about the beauty, because I watched the first few episodes yesterday. You told me that it was good, and I feel a little bit Rickrolled, I have to say.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess I should have clarified that it's incoherent in the best way.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I was like, what? The actual look. But here's the thing. It's good enough to watch. Yeah, it's definitely good enough to watch, but I kind of hate myself for watching it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, you also have to understand that, like. Like, I'm stuck watching, like, Plurbus and the Pit. And so, like, when this came up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No one has a gun to your head, bitch. You could be watching Citizen Kane if you wanted to.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, at night, next to my Husband. Like, those are the types of show he wants to watch. And like, he was into the Beauty. So I was like, all right. Also going into this show, right. It felt like, or it looked like it was a substance ripoff. Which was especially weird because Demi Moore's ex husband, Ashton Kutcher is in this series. He's also not in the first episode, which is a plus. I guess what I found fun about the show is it's less of a substance ripoff and more of like an It Follows seven Alien ripoff. Like, it is so egregious in all of the TV and movies that they're paying. I'll put in quotes on homage to that. It's like, I kind of applaud. And also, like, the production design is really good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Yes. But I find it really funny that this show clearly has a huge budget. They're filming in all of these very impressive international locations in Paris, in Rome, yet they don't have the budget for a single extra. Like, every scene in this show has no more than three actors in it at one time. And you would think after watching it that Rome is a fucking ghost town.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's got a sex plague.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't know if I can keep watching this. It also does gross me out. And it is very repetitive.

[Lauren Garrone]

It is less the substance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's very the substance.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I think there's a new kind of Ryan Murphy show and All's Fair is an example of this where there's a collection of actors where you're like, all these people have different acting abilities and they all seem like they're in different shows. And I feel like Ryan Murphy writes to that by literally having them all be in different shows. Because Rebecca hall and Evan Peters are in a version of the show that is seven meets Silence of the Lambs.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

And like, Anthony Ramos is in some weird Korean film that's about, like, being a body horror assassin.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's a lot. But also not enough would be my review of the beauty.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, there's 11 episodes, Chelsea, so I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Don'T think I can do all that. Shall we talk about The Devil Wears Prada 2 trailer? Of course, which revealed absolutely nothing about the plot of this film.

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Which is fine.

[Lauren Garrone]

Like, we have complained for years about trailers that tell you everything. But yes, this seems to have annoyed a lot of people of like, I don't know what's going on in the movie now. We semi recently did a rewatch of the Devil Wears Prada and we are.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Here to tell you nothing happened in that movie either.

[Lauren Garrone]

That movie is five montages stitched together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Yeah. No, it is.

[Lauren Garrone]

I just question why they released it on the day the Grammys happened. Because it feels like if you wanted maximum saturation or sort of counter programming, you should have released it during the Super Bowl. However, what do I know? Because evidently, it's the most viewed trailer in history. It's gotten 222 million views in, I don't know, under a week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Jesus. The only plot point that was revealed is that Miranda Priestly may have dementia.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, let's get into this conversation that's been happening. I know that the studio wanted to drum up conversation online. I don't think they could have ever imagined that conversation was going to be like, does Miranda Priestley have early onset dementia?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because there's two lines of dialogue. First of all, she doesn't remember who Anne Hathaway's character is. And secondly, she doesn't remember that Anne Hathaway and Emily Blunt were both at Runway at the same time. Because they're all together. Emily Blunt and Hathaway and Meryl Streep. And she's like, oh, you guys know each other?

[Lauren Garrone]

Given the costumes, it seems that the majority of this trailer has to do with a single day in the film. I'm not saying that the film takes place over the course of the day, but. Right. There is a scene where Anne Hathaway appears in Meryl Streep's office. Stanley Tucci's there, I guess for the other billion or so people who haven't seen this trailer. And, yes, there's an ongoing bid in the trailer that Meryl Streep does not recognize Anne Hathaway's character, but they're all in the same outfit. So, like, this is a bit from the same day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right? Right. I think it's funny and also kind of accurate because I can see a world where Meryl Streep genuinely would Forget she had 10,000 assistants. This was, like, years ago.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think that she does remember her and doesn't want to give her the satisfaction. And there'll be some scene in the movie where Anne Hathaway is like, wow, you really don't remember me? And she's like, of course I remember you, Andrea, but you left me in Paris. A woman doesn't forget that or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I like the idea that she just does not give a shit about any of these women.

[Lauren Garrone]

So the other concern of this trailer, as people are comparing screenshots from the original film to this film, is a problem that Plagues a lot of contemporary movies where everything is dark and flat. Which was my other favorite meme about can Meryl Streep not remember Anne Hathaway? Which is like, it's not that you can't remember her. She can't see her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. That didn't trip me up so much personally. But I will reserve judgment until I actually see this movie because again, we're not getting much information from this trailer.

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[Lauren Garrone]

And also, even if your reaction to the trailer was whelmed, which I think the general reaction ranged from whelmed to confused. We're all gonna be seated. Opening day for this film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Did you end up watching the trailer for the drama?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Didn't that come out months ago, though?

[Lauren Garrone]

There was a teaser trailer. This is the first full trailer. So this is a movie by one of our faves, Christopher Borgoli, who did Sick of Myself, which is a movie we love. If you have not seen it, it's on Mubi. It's incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What else did he do?

[Lauren Garrone]

He followed it up with Dream Scenario.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yes. Loved that.

[Lauren Garrone]

So this is his film with Zendaya.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Robert Pattinson, Alana Heim, who I guess.

[Lauren Garrone]

Is obligated to be in every movie now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great. Good for her.

[Lauren Garrone]

And so the logline has been purposely vague. And I think this trailer is a great counterpart to the Devil Wears Prada trailer, where there is some discord that happens before Robert Pattinson and Zendaya are supposed to get married that plays out during their wedding day. And in this trailer, you see basically what the inciting incident is, which is that Alanna Haim and her husband who are married are like, oh, before we got married, we told each other the worst thing we ever did. And we see everyone what the worst thing they ever did was, except for Zendaya's. And whatever Zendaya says is so up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That everyone was shocked and horrified, which.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess the rest of the film is a calling into question if Robert Pattinson can marry this crazy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it looks great. I can't wait. Also, we saw some images from one of the Beatles films.

[Lauren Garrone]

One of the four Beatles films. Yes. I cannot wait for your thoughts on this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they all look pretty legit. I mean, with this one photo of George Harrison, they kind of did George Dirty.

[Lauren Garrone]

Joseph Quinn as George Harrison. More. Looks like John Fruscianti of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, yes, exactly. Barry Keoghan as Ringo. You know what? This is reassuring to me because I saw all those photos of Barry Keoghan at the premiere of something. I didn't realize he was at a premiere and not, like, filming that movie.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And his hair looked fucked. I was like, oh, my God, is this how they've done Ringo's hair? What a nightmare. Because it was basically like a more voluminous, puffy version.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of Ringo's signature haircut. But now that I see this production still, I'm like, okay, that does look like Ringo's hair. It's going to be fine.

[Lauren Garrone]

What is crazier about this? And they've now been photographed by the paparazzi this past week because they've been filming out in public. I wonder if that's why they released these press images. Because, Chelsea, the movie does not come out until not 2027, 2028. Wow. This is a film that is directed by Sam Mendes. For those who don't remember or will probably forget two years from now. This is not just one movie. It's not two movies. It is four movies that are going to come out every Friday in April. And each story is dedicated to a beetle.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm so hyped. And you're gonna have to see those movies with you. Well, we can't talk about one of them. We're gonna have to talk about all of them.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, do we wait to see all of them to talk about them?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know how we'll do it. That's a 2028 problem.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. We think all of the Beatles look great, but we haven't talked about Paul as Paul.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Paul as Paul looks really legit. That's kind of the best one.

[Lauren Garrone]

Harris Dickinson as John Lennon does look better than I thought.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but it's easier to style someone as that era of John Lennon when he had longer hair and had the glasses, like, he had such a specific look.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, as I said, they've been out filming in public. And I just want to show you this photo of Paul as Paul.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You could do worse. Maybe that's a bad angle, which this.

[Lauren Garrone]

Person says, looks like Steve Coogan playing Harry Potter.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's so rude.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I think this is why they released these press photos, is they were like, we're going to be filming. People are gonna photograph it. They're gonna freak out and be like, they don't look exactly like them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

And it's like, look at these beautifully edited photos.

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[Lauren Garrone]

It's gonna be okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do we have Yoko casting yet?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. It's the woman from Shogun.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, Anna Sawai.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. And we've got Saoirse ronan as Linda McCartney and Amy Lou Wood as Patty Boyd.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's fun.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ooh, I'm excited about that.

[Lauren Garrone]

No word on who's playing Eric Clapton. I don't know if we're gonna get a Layla storyline in George's movie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, who's playing Linda?

[Lauren Garrone]

Saoirse Ronan. Okay.

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[Lauren Garrone]

I'm surprised you've waited this long into the podcast to talk about what I imagine is the most consequential movie news to you, which is the premiere of the Courtney Love documentary Anti Heroine at Sundance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, the film premiered. I don't know if anyone's bought it or what's happening with it.

[Lauren Garrone]

There have been no official announcements about distribution, but I feel like that's impending. I mean, there's no way that Netflix, HBO, A24 Neon Wooby aren't one of them. Isn't going to buy this. Yeah, it got rave reviews at Sundance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I read a lot of reviews. I feel like it was more like a B plus, A minus, which, honestly, good enough for me. But the source material is so fascinating, and obviously having the access to Courtney in her inner circle is incredible. Michael Stipe and all of the surviving members of Hull are interviewed for it. Frances Bean is not in it, although I've heard that they are in contact and she has spent time with her grandchild and stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. This documentary is directed by Edward Lovelace and James Hall. In the reviews I've read, they touch on, but really don't heavily delve into, you know, the most salacious things known about Courtney, which would be the death of Kurt Cobain and then also her daughter emancipating herself from Courtney in 2009. But there's this review on Indiewire that makes me the most excited, where they said the strongest part of the documentary are the moments in between those two things, which is she gets clean and sober thanks to Milos Foreman, who really fights with the studio to cast her as Althea Flynt in the People versus Larry Flint. This is where she gets the Versace campaign. She puts out Celebrity Skin. There's all this momentum for her to be an actress. And then, yeah, she was also in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Man on the Moon and had a Hollywood moment before relapsing into addiction and being addicted to some new shit that she hadn't been addicted to before because she had always used heroin and alcohol, but not, like, smoked crack and done Adderall and stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

So, yeah, we, of course, will be the first one seated for this documentary. Hopefully someone can invite us to an advanced screening of this documentary. You know, we will be representing this film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can't wait. And it does suck, though, that she did not come to the premiere of her own film, which is typical Courtney. She's incredibly flaky, and I say that with love. And as someone that has been a super fan of hers since I was.

[Lauren Garrone]

14, well, initially I would have thought, like, oh, she's back in London, and that's why she didn't come to the Sundance premiere. But, no, you've brought to my attention she is back on Instagram.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She is at the Chateau.

[Lauren Garrone]

She's truly just down the street from where we are right now at the Chateau Marmont. I'm sure she's still sleeping with her two elder Pomeranians.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yep. We should say she has been sober for a long time now, Like a decade. But there's no amount of sobriety that can make this woman less eccentric. She's a very eccentric person. She's a very funny person, and I'm looking forward to this documentary because she is just such a naturally entertaining person that says the craziest shit and also someone that isn't afraid to speak candidly about her own life and her failures and whatnot.

[Lauren Garrone]

Now, I need to do a temperature check. Do you think we're less likely or more likely to get Courtney Love's memoir?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Part of me thinks less likely.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know why she said it all, although she could become pissed off at the directors, and she's like, that's actually not how my life is. I'm gonna write a memoir.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's in direct conflict, right? Because with a memoir, it's like you have to divulge something juicy or people do not give a shit. So it's like, for that to come out, she will have had to have withheld information about certain things. Although maybe that makes sense. Documentaries aren't that long. With a book, you can say a lot more.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like the part of her life that she has not spoken about as candidly, I mean, other than her time in England, which we only know a little bit about. But for me, as an Edward Norton fan, like, I could use however many chapters she wants to dedicate to dating him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I, too, am curious about where her head was at at that time and where his was at that, frankly.

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[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, she's only talked about it a couple of times. I remember years and years and years ago, she was on the Craig Ferguson show, and somehow I think they were talking about Oasis, and she was talking about getting in a fight with Edward Norton while they were climbing a mountain in Scotland, and she, like, walked down and walked into an Oasis concert. I'm condensing a much longer story, but at the end of it, Craig Ferguson just went, you dated Edward Norton?

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I just want the tea. About, like, all the people she.

[Lauren Garrone]

Trent Reznor has his cease and desist.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ready because, like, she'll give us little snippets here and there. Like, I remember reading some interview with her once and she talks about how she Kate Moss after a Versace party, and she's like, I don't think Kate cares that I'm saying this publicly because I know she's told some people about it. And I'm like, that's iconic. But more of that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, more of the. The juicy, gossipy stuff.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe that's what she will save for the book. Are those kinds of classic Courtney Love stories. And then the documentary is more like a broader overview about where she's been, who she is in the culture. And from what I've read, a big part of this film is her making new music. And they're threatening that she's on the precipice of releasing new music. And I say threatening because again, as a Courtney Love fan, whenever she says she's releasing new music, it could be years, it could be decades.

[Lauren Garrone]

Was her last album the Lost Daughter? Is that what it was called?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Nobody's Daughter? I think so, yeah. That would have been the last one, which honestly had some really great songs on it. But I didn't love the production of that album so much.

[Lauren Garrone]

So to wrap things up, a bit of positive news. The Todd Haynes film Denoche, which was supposed to have Joaquin Phoenix in it, who unceremoniously dropped out of the movie just days before production, is now back on with Pedro Pascal. This is a script that Haynes penned with his longtime collaborator, John Raymond, which I feel like it's worth noting. The other bizarre thing about Joaquin Phoenix walking away from this project isn't that he just left the crew and the other cast high and dry, like on location, but he brought Todd Haynes this story.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So crazy.

[Lauren Garrone]

So anyway, the story is said to have echoes to classic noirs like Chinatown, and it charts a passionate, unexpected love affair between a cop played by Pedro Pascal and a boarding school teacher played by Danny Ramirez. In 1930s Los Angeles, when the city is overtaken by corruption and the world is on the brink of war, the two men become targets of the city's corrupt political machine and are forced to flee to Mexico.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great. Thank God.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Really happy this movie is happening. In closing, I believe we have some apologies and corrections.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, no. Is it time you have two?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So do you want to do your first one?

[Lauren Garrone]

You might have noticed earlier in the podcast, I did not want to say the actor Paul Mescal's name because it's been brought to my attention. I have been saying his name incorrectly. I've been calling him Paul Mezcal. I understand now it's Paul Mescal. I even watched an interview where he said his own name. He said Paul Mescal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, this was news to me also.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, you're also copping it with the Irish that you need to make some apologies for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I would like to apologize to the Irish and Scottish for talking about the songs that the white vampires sing in Sinners. I described this as hillbilly music. These were actually traditional Celtic songs. I am very sorry for the harm that I have caused.

[Lauren Garrone]

And secondly, I must apologize for I really can't get out of the Dallas vortex. We are no longer talking about JR and who shot him and was it a dream, which I'm semi vindicated for. They were like, actually his brother was shot in a dream.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, you're confusing me all over again.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I refer to Daniel Roseberry, the designer behind Schiaparelli, as a Midwestern person. I have been alerted he is from Dallas, a place I will never be visiting because it's too triggering now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Thank you for that, Lauren. Do better.

[Lauren Garrone]

We're trying to do better.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We just might end up doing worse, probably. And we will be back next week.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, we'll be back next week with a very exciting episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yes, guys, Carly Shortino is coming back. We are going to do a hotline episode for Valentine's Day, so please call in with your questions. We're also going to put a little thing up on Instagram over the weekend. So give us your sex, love, relationship questions and anything else in the Valentine's Day world.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ideally, please keep it under a minute and we will put our hotline number in the episode description, but it is also 323-486-6773. We hope you call in and see you next week. Bye.

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