262: On Sex and the City: The Good Fight

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast: Episode 262 "On Sex and the City: The Good Fight"

Release Date: February 27, 2026
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garrone

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Episode Overview

In their fifth anniversary episode, Chelsea and Lauren deep-dive into one of their favorite and most fiery episodes of Sex and the City, “The Good Fight” (Season 4, Ep. 13), exploring relationship meltdowns, roommate horror stories, and the micro-dramas of cohabitation. As is tradition, the hosts infuse their unapologetically sharp humor and hyper-specific fashion/pop-culture expertise, unpacking character motivations, memorable lines, and a few real-life anecdotes along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Podcast's Fifth Anniversary & SATC Relevance

• The hosts marvel over five years of podcasting and acknowledge how Sex and the City remained relevant with "And Just Like That" premiering just after they launched.
• Lauren: "There’s no way that we could keep talking about Sex and the City...and then they announced And Just Like That." [03:16]

2. Episode Context – Post-9/11 New York

• “The Good Fight” marks the show's first episode aired without the Twin Towers in the opening, reflecting post-9/11 TV trends.
• Lauren: “This is the first episode where the Twin Towers are taken out of the intro sequence of Sex and the City.” [04:48]
• Chelsea recalls Law & Order SVU's CGI American flag: "There was also that approach." [05:17]

3. Carrie & Aiden’s Domestic Clash

• Chelsea, a fan of moving in with partners, points out Carrie’s true problem is that she just doesn’t like Aiden—a theme throughout this episode.
  • Chelsea: "The problem is, is that Carrie hates him and therefore doesn’t want him in her apartment." [07:06]
• The closet-cleanout spat and Carrie’s horror at Aiden’s request to make room for his things is dissected as both comedic and deeply revealing about their incompatibility.
  • Chelsea: "You’re fighting with me about a stupid fucking outfit." [41:19]

4. Secret Single Behavior (SSB) Segment

• The group’s iconic SSb confessions are recapped with humor and relatability; hosts share their own quirky single behaviors.
  • Miranda’s SSB: Watching infomercials with hand masks.
  • Charlotte’s SSB: Staring at her pores in a magnifying mirror.
  • Samantha’s SSB: No shame—she believes in transparency.
  • Lauren’s SSB: "I used to have only child time, where I needed to be alone and listen to music, sort of standing." [16:46]
  • Chelsea’s SSB: "I’ll stay up till three in the morning...buying old magazines on eBay." [18:12]
• Notable line: “I think the ultimate secret single behavior is masturbating.” — Lauren [14:43]

5. Samantha & Richard’s Wild Workplace Scene

• The hosts deconstruct the outrageousness of Samantha giving Richard a blowjob in his glass office, seeing it as workplace harassment on steroids.
  • Chelsea: "He’s getting his dick sucked in view of his employees." [27:28]
  • Lauren: "Oh yeah, that secretary of Richard’s is filing a sexual harassment claim." [27:37]
• Kim Cattrall’s fluency in German gets a brief (and underwhelming) nod in the plot.

6. Charlotte and Trey’s Cardboard Baby Fight

• MPK’s (Michael Patrick King’s) real-life anecdote: he once gave a cardboard baby to a partner to break tension—hosts are incredulous that this made its way into the show.
• The cringeworthy, high-drama public fight between Charlotte and Trey is hailed as one of the boldest the show ever did, with the WASP veneer finally cracking.
  • Memorable quote: “Don’t you bring that flat baby in here. I will kill you.” — Charlotte [56:34]
• The hosts compare their own feelings about public couple fights, with Lauren promising to stage one for Chelsea’s next birthday.

7. Miranda’s Pregnancy Ethics

• Miranda’s debate about whether it’s appropriate to sleep with someone while pregnant with another man’s baby gets some of the funniest banter.
  • Chelsea: “Could the dick dent the baby?” [29:17]
  • Carrie’s voiceover: Wonders if dimples come from a baby getting poked during sex.

8. Carrie vs. Aiden: The Epic Apartment Fight

• Extended breakdown of the "boxes and closets" blowup, culminating in mutual silent treatment.
• The hosts find this exhausting and deeply childish, agreeing they couldn’t do a three-day silent treatment themselves.
  • Chelsea: “I just can’t imagine being able to sustain being that petty for quite so long in my own home…” [50:52]

9. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "It's dickalicious." — Samantha [20:14]
  (Hosts confirm: this is the most famous/quoted line from the episode.)
• Charlotte to Trey: "Don't you bring that flat baby in here. I will kill you." [56:34]
• Carrie to Aiden: "You're fighting with me about a stupid fucking outfit..." [41:19]

10. Fashion and Trivia Notes

• Hosts lament this isn’t a good fashion episode, aside from the Cavalli top Carrie discards.
• Discuss the “other Pete” dog actor trivia, training for the Manolo shoe scene.
• Calculate shoe price inflation: Carrie's $380 Manolos in 2001 would be $787 in 2026.

11. Final Thoughts: Ratings, MVPs, & Voting Off the Island

• Manolo Rating: Chelsea—8, Lauren—10. Reasoning: not the best for Miranda/fashion, but iconic for Charlotte’s fight.
• MVP: Chelsea—Charlotte, Lauren—Miranda.
• Vote off Manhattan: Chelsea—Richard; Lauren—Trey (for the cardboard baby).
• Best Line: Chelsea—"It's dickalicious." Lauren—"Carrie, you're funny, cardboard baby. That's funny, right?"
• Who Are You in This Episode?: Both hosts reluctantly say they see themselves in Carrie’s petty and capricious moments.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Anniversary reflections/Podcast origins: 02:09–03:35
• 9/11 and SATC context: 04:47–06:18
• Aiden moves in, Carrie’s discomfort: 06:18–10:19
• SSB roundtable and own confessions: 13:38–19:01
• Samantha/Richard glass office blowjob: 25:41–28:10
• Charlotte & Trey’s cardboard baby fight: 53:10–57:08
• Carrie & Aiden’s box/closet blowout: 40:51–43:08
• Miranda pregnancy/sex ethics: 28:47–31:18
• Final “Best of” questions: 65:30–69:49

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Notable Quotes

• Lauren [24:15]: “It was aberrant that Charlotte went ahead and fully designed a baby room without even being pregnant.”
• Samantha [20:14]: “It’s dickalicious.”
• Chelsea [41:04]: “I don’t want to talk about it.” (on Aiden’s Rogaine)
• Charlotte [56:34]: “Don’t you bring that flat baby in here. I will kill you.”
• Chelsea [46:45]: “You’re fighting because you’re having the same argument over and over again about some fundamental difference between the two of you. In this case, I think it’s the fact that Carrie just hates Aiden.”

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Episode Tone & Style

Snarky, self-aware, and laced with personal anecdotes and fashion quips—even at their most analytical, Chelsea and Lauren remain refreshingly irreverent. There’s no patience for sentimentality or “special episodes”; instead, they dissect SATC with equal parts affection and roasted critique.

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For the SATC Uninitiated

This episode of Every Outfit is both a love letter and a roast of classic Sex and the City—you’ll find breakdowns of epic couple fights, hilarious single-person weirdness, glass office oral drama, and a full menu of zesty quotes and sharp observations. Chelsea and Lauren’s fifth-anniversary deep-dive on "The Good Fight" is a lively blend of cultural history, pop psychology, and fabulous pettiness—a perfect primer for old fans and newcomers alike.

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Transcript

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Really?

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Really?

[Lauren Garrone]

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty? Great gowns. Beautiful gowns.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed.

[Lauren Garrone]

It hasn't. Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. Today, or at the very least, the day that this episode is coming out, marks the fifth anniversary of the Every Outfit podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Are you sure?

[Lauren Garrone]

I am sure. February 27, 2021 was the first episode of the podcast. I did not go back and listen to it because I never will. And I hope you fuckettes never go back to listen to our first episode. But I know that you. And it horrifies me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It does seem like we've been talking about dumb bullshit for a while now, but I wouldn't think it's been five years. I would think that we had been doing this for, like, three years.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's funny because in part, we started this podcast because after five years of having the Instagram, we were like, there's no way that we could keep talking about Sex in the City. Right. There's no way that it's going to be relevant in our culture again. But, you know, we have this group of people who seem to like what we have to say. Maybe they'd be interested in us talking about fashion, pop culture, and you guys have been. But also, if you remember, it's like right after we started the podcast, they announced and just like that. Yep. So we thought, what better way to commemorate the podcast than doing one of our favorite episodes of Sex and the City, the Good Fight.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I wanted to discuss this episode with you because I was casually rewatching it recently and I forgot how bad the Charlotte and Trey fight is.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's nasty. I mean, we're told that wasps don't fight like this. They don't fight at all. But as we learned, they do.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also fully grounds for divorce, this fight. Like, I don't know if my relationship could withstand something like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I will say that I went back to my DVDs and listened to the episode commentary with Daddy MPK for this episode, just to refresh my memory on any fun facts which I will pepper in throughout the episode. The sad thing is, I have watched those DVDs so many times with the director's commentary that I pretty much knew everything he was going to say. But one of Michael Patrick King's points was that was the beginning of the end for Charlotte and Trey. Very purposely. That is a fight that no one can come back from.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

And so it's worth noting that this episode is the first episode back from for part two of season four. So the end of part eight of season four, we got Carrie and Eden getting engaged, Charlotte and Trey deciding not to have a baby. The other interesting thing about this episode is. So the season finale of part one of Sex and the City season four, Just say Yes aired August 12, 2001. So this episode, the Good Fight, comes back January 6, 2002.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yikes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which means this is the first episode where the Twin Towers are taken out of the intro sequence of Sex and the City.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which is hard to fathom that this will be the 25th anniversary since September 11, 2001. But that was a thing that, like every television show did. Every television show refused to do a very special episode where their characters experienced 9 11. But I remember everyone's response was like, we just have to take the Twin Towers out of every shot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I remember law and SVU also added like a CGI American flag post 9 11. There was also that approach.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. People were feeling patriotic. But no very special episodes, which, to be fair, would have been weird in the world of Sex and the City. Although many a young screenwriter has written their spec script about what the events of 911 would be like for the Sex and the City characters.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I also remember that the Twin Towers had to be digitally removed from the scene where Samantha and Richard fuck on a rooftop.

[Lauren Garrone]

Very true, very true. I was gonna wait until we got to that scene, but since you brought it up, Michael Patrick King was discussing the fact that he wanted the show to feel contemporary. And so you would very much know that the show was taking place in the past if you saw the Twin Towers in the background.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yeah, that would be so deeply distracting in the absolute saddest way imaginable,

[Lauren Garrone]

especially three months after the event.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So this episode begins with a Carrie voiceover. Someone once said that two halves make a whole, and when two halves move in together, it makes a whole lot of stuff. Not the strongest opening line, I have to say.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's not. We begin with Carrie trying to get into her apartment and unable to because Aiden has moved all of his shit in. And I have to ask, is this the most annoying Aiden has been in an episode? Because, look, I love a bit of Aiden slander, but I'm also here for, like, Aiden was a good boyfriend, but when I hear, hey, Pop Tart, where you been and what have you been doing? It's like nails on a chalkboard to me. I'm like, ick, dump. Immediately.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. But I don't think he's actually doing anything wrong. I think the problem is, is that Carrie hates him and therefore doesn't want him in her apartment. And that's the tension of this entire episode. Like, if you have a problem with coming home and your boyfriend going, how are you? In whatever fashion they would naturally say that in, you shouldn't instantly, like, want to murder them.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's very fair. I think he commits maybe the biggest Carrie Bradshaw sin later in the episode when he asks her to clean out her closet. So all of his boxes are everywhere. And we get an acknowledgment that I don't think we've ever gotten before, which is the fact that Carrie has two pathways to her bathroom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, she has two bathroom doors, which

[Lauren Garrone]

she feels is very needed and does not want Aiden's boxes blocking it in case, you know, rapists come through the door. And she's got a pew out of the apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, sadly, that's one of the more legit details on this show, because you kind of have to have a rapist plan. Everyone does. That's more of a plan than I have, though. I'm just praying that I can hit the side button on my phone five times and grab the baseball bat from under my bed.

[Lauren Garrone]

Do you have a baseball bat underneath your bed?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've always had a baseball bat under my bed, especially when I lived in New York. But still to this day.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wow. Five years into this podcast, I'm learning new things about you, Chelsea. Anyway, this is all to establish that Aiden has moved all of his shit in. If you notice, the boxes say Aiden Shaw, co Carrie Bradshaw. Michael Patrick King acknowledges in the director's commentary that they are aware that if Carrie were to have ever married Aiden Shaw, that her name would be Carrie Bradshaw Shaw, which they found very funny. But Aiden's stuff is here because if you remember in the previous episode, they not only get engaged, but it's because Carrie's building is going co op. She could not afford the $40,000 to buy into the co op, which I've always felt was incredibly low.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. It's not crazy that she couldn't afford that though.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, no, no, no. It's not crazy that she couldn't afford the $40,000. I think it's crazy that her apartment or the buy in, was it like 100,000 for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is like somewhat attainable. It clearly is attainable for a Carrie Bradshaw.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Aiden offers to buy her apartment and then the completely invented apartment that is behind Carrie's apartment and combine them into a place that they can both live. So we learn that Aiden shit is only going to be there for one more week right before they close, and then he can move his stuff into that space.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But Carrie is especially annoyed that he brought a plant into her apartment.

[Lauren Garrone]

I feel this. I'm not a plant centric or plant forward person. I'm with Carrie. Anything that comes into my house. Well, I was going to say dies, but I have a baby, so I shouldn't say that. But, like, I'm not any plant I've ever had or orch. It just doesn't go well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm surprised that Aiden doesn't have more plants. Doesn't Aiden seem like the kind of guy that would have like a shitload of plants? Because the people that are into wood are often the same people that are into plants.

[Lauren Garrone]

He knew he was pushing it if he brought all his plants to Carrie's place. He was like, let me just start out with one also. Is this the most casual we've ever seen? Carrie she's in a faded T shirt and this slip skirt and some flip flops. It definitely gave me the false impression that I could pull off this look, and I don't have that. Carrie Bradshaw. Mary K. Olson, Zoe Kravitz. Je ne sais quoi to wear undergarments as outerwear.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I don't even remember what she was wearing and I saw this episode yesterday.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

So now we have a diner scene where Carrie is of course complaining about her boyfriend, who she clearly hates and the fact that she is now cohabitating with him.

[Lauren Garrone]

Fiance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, this is what I don't get. Like for me, moving in with someone is the ultimate romantic fantasy. Even if there are moving boxes and stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

Go on.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Isn't the dream to meet someone that you love and move in with them? Like, isn't that the most fun thing that you could possibly do?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, it's been referenced in the show before, but I do think that Carrie, and this is something that is honestly, it's gotten from the series into the movies where she does have that Mia Farrow Woody Allen fantasy of Living in separate apartments across the park. I think that would be if she had her druthers. Which she would prefer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, because she hates Aiden.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, also, this is something that I took at face value when I first watched the show as a teenager. But now, as someone who has lived through a renovation. Like lived in their space while it was being renovated. Carrie, if you think Aiden sanding your floors was disruptive to your work life, what do you think is going to happen when you're actively living in one apartment? When he's trying to connect yours to the other apartment?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, exactly.

[Lauren Garrone]

But really, it's mostly the plant that bothers her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's mostly his physical presence. It's not even the boxes. So the girls start to have a conversation about the things that they do when they're alone and they don't have a man around.

[Lauren Garrone]

You guys. I miss walking into my apartment with no one there and it's all quiet and. And I can do that stuff you do when you're totally alone. Things you would never want your boyfriend to see you do. Like masturbate. My ssb. My secret single behavior. Like, I like to make a stack of saltines. I put grape jelly on them. I eat them standing up in the kitchen reading fashion magazines. Why standing up? It's weird, but it just feels great. I like to put Vaseline on my hands and put them in those Borghese conditioning gloves while watching infomercials. Before I was married, I used to study my pores in a magnifying mirror for an hour each night. But I'm afraid Trey will just think it's weird. Well, he would. You can't do that stuff in front of men. What about you, Lolita? Anything you do you wouldn't want a man to see? No. You know, I believe her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I believe her, too.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I'm kind of in agreeance with Samantha. I do think the ultimate secret single behavior is masturbating. But these are. Are highly specific things that each of these women do alone. And would you be surprised, Chelsea, that this came from the writer's room?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but I need some clarity about Charlotte just looking at her pores. So you just look at them. You're not like, popping a blackhead or doing anything like that. You're not, like, giving yourself a little facial. You're just staring at your pores.

[Lauren Garrone]

You're not even plucking some chin hair. Perhaps your eyebrows.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, she just looks at herself.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love that Charlotte's doing the Pomodoro method, but with her skin. Because I Have to be honest, I don't know if I could look at my skin in a magnifying mirror for more than a minute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh. Without getting seriously disturbed. Yeah, same.

[Lauren Garrone]

So evidently there was a scene that they cut for time, but they did have a scene where Carrie was eating a stack of saltines that just for timing or pacing, they got rid of after making Sarah Jessica eat like a hundred saltines in a row.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do relate to that kind of secret single behavior. I think a lot of it is about standing up and eating. Or for me, it's like not eating real meals or eating weird shit instead of a normal meal. I guess that would be called a girl dinner.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was going to say, what is your girl dinner?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It really is like saltines in, like a can of smoked fish or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, obviously many people can relate to this. When you move in with a partner, whether they move into your space, you move into a separate space. Because before this sequence. Sequence, Carrie's talking about, like, it's not the plan, it's that he's taken over whole areas. And I feel like. Because. And she also makes this point like, there are no walls to get away from Aiden. But I feel like she could indulge in her secret single behavior when Aiden's at work. I mean, she does have a freelance lifestyle, of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do you have any secret single behavior?

[Lauren Garrone]

I think I discussed this on the podcast because, I mean, I've lived with other people before, but Paul was the first guy that I've ever lived with. And I don't know if it was because I'm an only child or something, but I used to have no longer. But I used to have, when we first moved in together, something I would call only child time, where I needed to be alone and listen to music, sort of standing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But you also chew, like, entire packs of gum by yourself. Although I haven't seen the gum around lately. So. Have you stopped doing that?

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I just hide it better. Yeah. I am a chain gum chewer, which is probably my most detached, detestable habit that Paul absolutely hates. Because I also. I keep the old gum in the pack of gum. And once Paul reached in to my bag to, like, grab a piece of gum and then touch that instead. And rightfully, he was very disgusted by it. But a secret single behavior I guess I have that I did not realize until I got with Paul is I will often be having conversations or arguments in my head that I'm litigating. And Paul knows I'm doing that because even though I'm not saying anything. I'm just thinking I will gesticulate as I do, as if I were having a conversation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So you're just crazy is what you're saying?

[Lauren Garrone]

Basically, yes. Living with someone else. It's been brought to my attention how psycho I am.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I feel like all of my secret single behaviors could also qualify as, like, signs of depression. Because it's very much like, I'll leave my little baby bell wax balls around the house. Or, like, I'll listen to, like, really depressing folk music or show tunes, which I would never do if my wife was around. Or I'll, like, stay up, like, until three in the morning, like, smoking weed and buying, like, old magazines on ebay. Like, that's the kind of shit that I do.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know what? And that's why we need our partners to go out of town every once in a while to indulge in those behaviors.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, mine's going to Tahoe on Tuesday, so I'm excited for some ssb.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, are you getting your ebay search words ready?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Always.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, who do we think has the least weird secret single behavior?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Carrie.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think it's Miranda.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But she's willingly watching infomercials.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, but we know with Miranda, it's pre Jules and Jim. Was that what it's called? Not Jules and Jim. That's no Jules.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's a true foe.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's before Jules and Mimi. I think it's right before she got TiVo. There's nothing for her to watch but infomercials. So this is when Richard calls Samantha. He is dick in her phone. Which is very funny. I do love that Carrie says, hey, didn't we make a rule about those things at lunch? And I love Carrie having better phone etiquette in 2001 than any of us in 2026. And so this is when we learn that Carrie has told all of the girls that Samantha is fucking her boss. Her boss. Technically, her co worker.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Her boss. But she refuses to give the girls all the dirty details, which is obviously highly unusual. And they're like, oh, my God, Samantha has a crush.

[Lauren Garrone]

Samantha likes a guy. Samantha likes a guy. I love Miranda's line of like, oh, my God, we're going to have to skate home because hell has frozen over. And the only details she gives about Richard is how perfect his dick is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's dickalicious.

[Lauren Garrone]

A line that we have been saying for 20 plus years at this point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Certainly the most iconic line from this episode. It's impossible for me to get into Richard. To me, he has, like the absolute creepiest vibe. Like, we've talked about how Mr. Big would probably be in the Epstein Files, but, like, Richard would go to the island.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I think we've said that. I think I said that. Richard's plane went to little St. James for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And whatever hotel he's building in Thailand also sounds sus to me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. It's hard to think of Samantha falling in love with someone like Richard because he is just such a player that all throughout this episode, it just feels like all of these red flags, like all of this romantic behavior. I don't know if I would take the bait. I know that they waited four seasons to give Samantha a love interest and for someone for her to fall in love with. But that is something in this rewatch where I'm like, I don't buy it this time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they made him too creepy because Mr. Big is also presumably a soulless real estate guy. But there's something about Richard that gives serial killer to me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I don't think it helps that Richard remarried up until this point has been a that guy villain in almost every film he's been in for the past 20 years before being on Sex and the City.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

They're having yet another sad dinner in their Park Avenue apartment.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think it's breakfast. So Charlotte wants to have the girls over for dinner because her calendar is just clear now that they're not trying for a baby, to. Which something I just took at face value when I watched this episode as a teenager. Now that I've tried for a baby, been pregnant, had a baby, all while working. What exactly was Charlotte doing before that filled her calendar?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, you're right. Because she would just have like a handful of doctor's appointments and stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

And there's only a few days a month where you're fertile enough to be able to get pregnant. This is pre Harry and IVF and acupuncturists and all of that. Like her and Trey are just fucking a couple times a month, presumably, we hope. But in the director's commentary, Michael Patrick King made the point that they wanted it to be known to the audience that it was aberrant that Charlotte went ahead and fully designed a baby room without even being pregnant.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That sounds like her. So she's like, hey, Trey, I'm gonna have the girls over for dinner this week, so get the fuck out.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, he at first is like, great, tell me what night. And she's like, no, just the girls, not you. So he tries to lift her spirits by saying, a friend of his has gotten them tickets for the producers, which

[Chelsea Fairless]

in 2002 was a Flex. Makes a lot of sense. Also, of course, a very meta reference,

[Lauren Garrone]

because at the time, Sarah Jessica Parker's husband, Matthew Broderick, appeared in that Broadway revival.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And this was the window where that power couple really, really owned New York during the height of Sex and the City and the height of the Producers.

[Lauren Garrone]

And Trey just wants Charlotte to smile. And I have to say, like, early 2000s tickets to the Producers, that would elicit a smile from me. I think Charlotte is just being a bit of a sour puss, I gotta say. Well, I agree.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although she did just say we have a nursery, but no baby.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I think even more than that, she's like, ever since I was a little girl, I wanted a baby. And we have a baby room, but no baby.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So I don't know if tickets to the Producers is gonn be enough for her.

[Lauren Garrone]

But don't worry, Trey's got another idea of how he can possibly lift her spirits. And now we're with Samantha and Richard at his Office. Gross this whole scene. Because I have a lot of thoughts about this scene.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure, Lay them on me.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Richard is arguing with someone in German. He doesn't speak German. Samantha walks in. He's like, oh, man, I wish I knew how to tell this person to offend. And so Samantha says, f me. And then she realizes that's not fuck you, that's fuck me. And where this comes from, according to Daddy mpk, is that he was having dinner with Kim Cattrall once. And she revealed that she's fluent in German. And that's how he decided to use that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Her speaking German is really funny. I have to say. We could have done with more of that.

[Lauren Garrone]

But this also, I think, lends to Kim Cattrall's annoyance at those involved in Sex and the City. Where it's like, she's fluent in German and this is what you're having her say with this skill set she has.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it's so funny. So Richard presents her with a rose, which immediately gives Samantha the ick.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I guess to prove to herself, question mark her friends. That she doesn't have feelings for this person, she decides to blow him in view of everyone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. She can't handle any sort of emotional intimacy. So she just immediately pivots to sex. But this is, like, extremely fucked up, right?

[Lauren Garrone]

So even Richard is like, my secretary can see you. Because he has a completely glass office.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's like a glass cube within an open office.

[Lauren Garrone]

And so to get around this, she pretends to drop files so that she can not even go underneath his desk. Again, she is blowing him in full view of everyone. This is more fucked up than when she got caught by Carrie blowing the Worldwide Express guy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. Because he's getting his dick sucked in view of his employees. Which is, I would say, extreme workplace harassment.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, yeah, that secretary of Richard's is filing a sexual harassment claim against Samantha and Richard. And the fact that Samantha isn't arrested for public indecency. Or at the very least, Richard didn't want to hire her for sexist reasons because she fucked his architect. But, like, you don't think this is going to be gossip around New York that publicist Samantha Jones publicly blows her clients?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's way more insane than the public sex that Miranda and Will Arnett had.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, is this Samantha's thing?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I think the way that they wrote it, they thought it might be less fucked up than it actually was when they shot it. Just given what the location is like.

[Lauren Garrone]

Because watching this again, I Was like, oh, there's no plausible deniability. Like, Richard's body doesn't even fully cover her. No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She is on her hands and knees, sucking his dick in public. So, Miranda, I'm just going to say it has a pretty boring plotline, this episode. Not much going on with her. She is on a date with some guy who is in town.

[Lauren Garrone]

Walker Lewis, fluent in five languages, travels the world for the State Department as an interpreter. I feel like when people discuss that Miranda deserved more than Steve. This is the type of guy they're imagining.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. And he wants to fuck her, makes a move, and then she gets all like, I don't know, you know, not tonight vibes. And it's because she doesn't know whether or not it's appropriate for her to fuck this guy while pregnant with another man's baby.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which if Sex and the City was going to do a pregnancy, they were going to do it their own way. And I think this best encompasses that. This walk and talk that we get with Carrie and Miranda in the very next scene. He is so cute and funny and sexy, and I really want to have sex with him. But I don't know. Is it okay to fuck one guy when you're pregnant with another guy's baby? If one more person asks me that today. I mean, I'm not in a relationship with the father of the baby or anything. No, I've rarely heard that used as a plus. It's just. Is it tacky? And beyond tacky, is it safe? Let's assume he's a really great fuck. Cause so many men are. Could all that poking shake the baby loose or something? No, that's silly. Married couples have sex all the time. But what if he's huge again? Cause so many men are. Could the dick dent the baby? Where do you think dimples come from? Oh, that is so cute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, in this scene, all I can see is Miranda's canvas tote bag that says stop using plastic bags.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which is funny because she has a plastic cup that she's drinking out of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was during a time when I think people thought that we would just replace plastic bags with canvas bags. But it's before we fully started hoarding canvas bags to, like, an alarming degree. Pretty much everyone I know has a tote bag that is only filled with other canvas tote bags.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which is why we have chosen not to make another tote bag again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, we actually just did.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, but it's very, very big.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's different than every other tote bag.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Absolutely. It's functional in a different way.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think this is. Maybe it's not exactly Carrie Bradshaw advice, but I think it's some of the funniest Carrie dialogue. Like her thought process or her joke that dimples come from a dick being able to, like, hit the baby.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I found that to be a disturbing visual. But that's just me.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, yeah, it's upsetting. It's not possible. Just FYI.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Just clarifying that for the listener. So they reach Carrie's apartment and her neighbor is coming out.

[Lauren Garrone]

Mrs. Cohen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Mrs. Cohen, who immediately to Carrie is like, that's a crazy outfit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which is so funny for two reasons. This is maybe the most subdued Carrie look possible. Like, this is a look you can recreate through Los Angeles apparel. And Mrs. Cohen looks like your grandmother, or should I say my grandmother from Boca Raton, circa 1994. Like, Mrs. Cohen is dressed insane.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, to be fair, Carrie was in that phase where she was tying a scarf around her upper arm for absolutely no reason.

[Lauren Garrone]

Another thing that she has for no reason is, if you'll notice, there's a neon visor around her wrist that's purely, I think, for accessory reasons, no functionality at all. And so this is the woman who evidently lives in the completely invented apartment that they needed for this storyline. Because we've been watching this show now for four seasons. And Carrie's apartment completely faces the front of. We know it's Perry street, but 73rd Street. And there's just a mysterious apartment next to hers that is also behind hers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, it makes sense. Most New York apartments are set up two apartments per floor in a brownstone like that, sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I feel like it's established that all of the windows that face the street are carries. I like to think that Mrs. Cohen, for the last 60 years, has lived in a windowless box. But Carrie is helping her elderly neighbor down the stairs, I think, to be nice and also to ask her when she will be leaving. And she informs her that it won't be for another 30 days and that her boy should read the contract.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Carrie has a mini breakdown. She goes upstairs to Aiden and tells him he has a tantrum.

[Lauren Garrone]

It is a part of Aiden that we will see several times. And then just like that. And you are correct, it is a full toddler tantrum. Although it is comforting to carry because it's the first acknowledgment he has of like, we can't have our shit here for 30 days. We can't live like this. To which I wonder, perhaps Aiden could have put his stuff in a storage unit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, that seems a little crazy. Maybe he moved out prematurely. Well, I mean, he's probably at a month to month lease at that point. Just saying this would never happen.

[Lauren Garrone]

But let's just have this argument because we've watched this episode 50 times. Realistically, they should have moved to Aiden's apartment while Aiden did renovations and made these two apartments into one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right? That is the logical choice.

[Lauren Garrone]

But it's Sex and the City and we would not get this amazing argument if that had happened. If logic had won out. I do love Sarah Jessica Parker's delivery when aid and goes, we can't live like this. You can't get through the door. And she goes, I know. Did you see me? Every time. Every time. I love it. And then we have the funny, like, I guess we could make some room if we cleaned out your closet. And then we have this kind of Dutch tilt of the camera and a gong noise of Carrie being like, oh, okay, I didn't know that would be the solution.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This scene is so funny because Aiden talks shit about her shredded Roberto Cavalli top that he's never seen her wear. Although she alleges that she wore it to a book signing once. Was she signing her own book? No, she didn't have a book by that point.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, she just wore this to someone else's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Someone else's random book signing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Joyce Carol Oates, perhaps.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do love the line where she's like, that's when I realized I was holding on to a Roberto Cavalli outfit and throwing away my relationship.

[Lauren Garrone]

Again, I'm only asking this because we watched this episode a million times before. But what was the plan with the closet space? Because I feel like this really reinforces. If you look at the grand scheme of things in Sex and the City, from the series to the movies, why big is better for her. Right? In the film, you have Big being like, I will build you a bigger and better closet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why can't Aiden take Mrs. Cohen's closet? Surely that bitch has one.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, she's still there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but we're talking about 30 days here. You can live out of boxes for 30 days. It's like not that hard even just your average person that moves has to live out of boxes for a time.

[Lauren Garrone]

Again, we wouldn't get this great fight if this didn't happen. But realistically, because Carrie doesn't actually use her kitchen, just stack all of Aiden's boxes in the kitchen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True, except he probably does actually cook.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

So Carrie then sees Pete chewing on her Manolos, which I have to say, very ugly shoes.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess they appear in the first episode of season three. And I have a fun fact about this scene. Last Sex and the City rewatch episode, we were discussing how good of a dog actor Pete was in his shading of Carrie. Yes, this is a different dog.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, what?

[Lauren Garrone]

Evidently that Pete from season three, while a good actor we can all agree was terrified of John Corbett. And so they had to get a new Pete for season four.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

And they knew going in that they needed this Pete to chew on a prop shoe. And so for two months the prop department, who I guess are also animal wranglers, train that dog to eat that shoe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they did a great job.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, I did put in any time I hear an amount that Carrie purchased for clothing and when I'm automatically putting that into the inflation calculator because she

[Chelsea Fairless]

bought these ugly ass manolas, which if you don't remember them, it's some sort of like turquoise and brown strappy sandal with these like mother of pearl button accents. Anyway, she bought them for $380.

[Lauren Garrone]

Then in 1990 inflation calculator says that today they should be or would be $787.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What a dream.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, because pretty much any I would call them an entry level Manolo Blahnik is $900, if not 1100.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I was about to say, I feel like all shoes are $1200 now.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think what is so great about this sequence is the built in tension. And this is something that Michael Patrick King was talking about. This is one of the longest sequences in the show. If you think about it. You know, we always talk about how they shove so much story into each episode. But I mean, the fact that Carrie wears the same outfit in three scenes. The Miranda walk and talk this fight. And then the following scene I think is pretty astounding. But you think they're gonna get into a fight when she comes into the apartment. And then the tension is broken because they both realize like they can't live like this. Then you think they're gonna fight about the clothing. And then they don't carry acquiesces. And then it's like once Pete chews on the Manolo Blahnik. We're past the point of no return. And we get this. My shit wouldn't be lying around if we weren't making room. Because your shit is lying around. You got more shit lying around than I got lying around. Look at this place. It's loaded with your shit. Just stick a. Just look at this bathroom. Look at all your shit in my bathroom. Who needs five almost empty speed stick deodorants? What are you, a crazy bag, man? They're different smells. And musk.

[Chelsea Fairless]

When have you ever worn musk?

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, look at this stuff. You got old razors, Rogaine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait a minute.

[Lauren Garrone]

You used Rogaine? I didn't know. You mean it's preventative. But is your hair falling?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't want to talk about it.

[Lauren Garrone]

It seems it's not only women who

[Chelsea Fairless]

have secret single behavior.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is my stuff.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Don't be going through my stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

You are more than happy to go through my stuff. Oh, your stuff? Your bathroom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You always do that. You never want to let me in.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't always do anything and I have let you in. You're fighting with me about a stupid fucking outfit. Oh, shut up. It's Roberto Cavalli.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I threw it away.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I love. What more do you want?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shut up.

[Lauren Garrone]

Shut up. Yes, shut up. Shut up. You're telling me to shut up? Please just shut up. I am so sick of hearing you talking, talking, talking all the time. Don't you ever just shut up? I'm gonna take a walk. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm taking a walk. You can stay here with your boxes of shit and your shit, a shoe eating dog. And you can knock yourself out putting on the Rogaine and the speed stick.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Carrie did get a good one in at the end. I have to say I'm impressed with

[Lauren Garrone]

her about, you can stay here with your rogue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You can knock yourself out with the Rogaine and the speed stick.

[Lauren Garrone]

I am amazed that the and just like that writers somehow forgot the continuity of Lisa Todd Wexley's father dying, but somehow remembered to reference this specific fight. Three things in this fight in. And just like that, because it's either season two or season three, we see Aiden using Rogaine, I believe, when Carrie is staying with him in Virginia's when she references all of his speed sticks. And when Carrie gets pissed off at Aiden for talking to Duncan in season three, he goes, I'm gonna take a walk. And she goes, no, I'm taking a walk.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I forgot about that. To be fair, Carrie loves to take like an introspective walk around the city. That's like her main passion in life is like wearing a crazy outfit and just kind of wandering and like looking at the falling leaves.

[Lauren Garrone]

And it is amazing that Carrie didn't switch outfits before heading to this Starbucks. I guess she swiped her laptop before storming out of the apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I like that she thinks that people that work on their laptops at Starbucks are pretentious posers, because I kind of think the opposite.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, yeah, let's get into this. I couldn't help but wonder, because I do want to discuss that. I used to think those people who sat alone at Starbucks writing on their laptops were pretentious posers. Now I know they're people who have recently moved in with someone. As I looked around, I wondered how

[Chelsea Fairless]

many of them were mid fight like myself. The hard thing about fighting in relationships as opposed to Madison Square Garden. No referee.

[Lauren Garrone]

There's no one to tell you which

[Chelsea Fairless]

comments are below the belt or when

[Lauren Garrone]

to go to your separate corners. As a result, someone usually gets hurt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And it seems the closer a couple

[Lauren Garrone]

gets and the more stuff they have between them, the harder it is to figure out exactly why they are yelling. When it comes to Relationships. I couldn't help but wonder, what are we fighting for? Carrie, you think people working at Starbucks or people with their laptops at Starbucks are pretentious losers? I would just assume, especially in New York, that they are freelancers with roommates and this is the only place they can go to in a pre wework society.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, when I worked for Cecilia Dean, she said something that stuck with me for years, which is that she would never take a laptop to a coffee shop because she didn't want to be around those quote unquote sad people working on their screenplays. And I think about that often, especially because I now live in Los Angeles.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, can we discuss that? This week you and I were at a coffee shop and I don't think anyone was working on a screenplay, but there were several people fully doing video editing on their laptops with several hard drives just taking up these small tables.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Horrible. Look, I get it. You have to get out of your apartment. And I definitely have worked at a coffee shop before, but I definitely wouldn't go to pretentious.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, you wouldn't think that they're pretentious? Annoying, perhaps, especially if they're working on a screenplay. But then what's more disturbing if they had a privacy screen on so you couldn't see what they were working on? I don't think anyone's actually done that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't want to know what they're working on. There is just like a specific energy in a certain kind of Starbucks when there's too many people on their laptops. It like fucks up the vibe.

[Lauren Garrone]

While there are coffee shops now that insist that you can't be on your laptop. I will say one of the craziest things I've ever seen at a Starbucks actually in the Lower east side when I was living in New York, was someone had a full desktop gamer setup in a Starbucks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I think there needs to be more etiquette in Starbucks.

[Lauren Garrone]

Or we could just not, I mean, go to Starbucks. There's that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There is that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, but this is behavior. It began at Starbucks. What I also think is funny is thinking about early 2000s era laptops and their battery life. Like you're getting maybe 25 minutes of work done before that laptop shuts down.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but to get back to the I couldn't help but wonder a very non specific I couldn't help but wonder. Like I heard words, but I don't know what any of them meant. And sometimes certain I couldn't help but wonders are like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think we're learning through these rewatches that more times than not, it is just a word salad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. So the central question is, when it comes to relationships, I couldn't help but wonder, what are we fighting for?

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're fighting because you're having the same argument over and over again about some fundamental difference between the two of you. In this case, I think it's the fact that Carrie just hates Aiden. So there's that. And her hatred will only grow in coming episodes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. And I think that is embodied in something that Aiden says again and again, which is, you won't let me in. I think the last time he talks about that is in my motherboard myself when she won't let him into her grief about Miranda's mother dying. And I think your point, which is funny, that she just hates Eden. But there is something where, and we've discussed this before, she becomes emotionally available and treats Aiden the way that Big treated her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

So it's very hard for us to understand it. And just like that, that this is the second greatest love of her life. Totally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because her resentment of him and the general ick that she has. We see it turn into a full blown phobia. In the case of her wedding dress meltdown, he starts to be like triggering for her.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. And we'll get there when we get to this episode. But his pushing her towards a heteronormative lifestyle with all of the markers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And that repulses her.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is something that I took at face value watching it as a much younger person. But I continue to find it fascinating that we've never seen them have a conversation about their expectations for this relationship. Like when she finds the engagement ring, it shocks the shit out of her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

In a way that you would just normally have these conversations. But back to that, I couldn't help but wonder, what are we fighting for? For me, being married to someone who hates fighting, I've come to learn a concept that I was previously unaware of being in lifelong situationships that I guess me and my husband are, quote, on the same team. And it's not about winners or losers in fights.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, there's always a winner and a loser.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not according to Paul. Although I'm often like. But I am. Right. Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. To me, the crazier thing about this fight is that they then didn't speak to each other whole days while being in the same apartment. Like that is much more shocking than the fight itself. And what they said to each other, like, I could never have a fight like that with A partner. It would drive me crazy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. As someone who doesn't have a problem with confrontation or fighting. Not that I seek it out, but like the idea of you don't seek

[Chelsea Fairless]

it out, but you do seem very comfortable.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I would never let a fight go on for three days.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Because at that point it's like you guys are behaving like children, which Aiden has demonstrated.

[Lauren Garrone]

He does act like a toddler.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And Carrie is notoriously a woman child kind of character.

[Lauren Garrone]

But as Carrie says in the voiceover, she is ready to apologize, but it's the fact that, I don't know, he looks at her and says nothing when she walks through the door, that she's like, fuck it, fight is continuing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, nothing annoys me more than that. In a fight where it's to the point that I'm over it, I don't give a shit. I would rather just like go on about my day and have a nice rest of the day. Like, I literally can't be fucked to continue to have a fight or be a fucking bummer. And then when your partner is not there, then it's like you're re angry all over again because you're like, can't you just grow the fuck up and move on? So I completely understand Carrie's emotional response to that, but I do not understand how that translates into three days of the silent treatment. Like, that's psychotic.

[Lauren Garrone]

No. You can have that fight in the afternoon, come home in the evening, be pissed off with each other, go to sleep on separate sides of the bed, but in the morning you gotta go, sorry, sorry. Let's move some of my clothing to storage or whatever. Like there is a middle ground solution.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I just can't imagine being able to sustain being that petty for quite so long in my own home. You know, it's one thing if you're not with someone.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure. But I love this idea of you're like, if I don't see a bitch, I can hold a grudge for years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's certainly easier.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Did he give this to like a reproductively challenged fag hag that he was friends with or like his boyfriend who wanted a child?

[Lauren Garrone]

The way that he tells the story, it seems like it was his boyfriend who wanted a child and so he thought he would break the tension by getting a cardboard baby.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To be fair, I think I would do something like that. Although even I understand that when it comes to infertility, like, that is one of the few things that you actually can't joke about. Like, I think that we joke about a lot of dark shit all the time.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think we've even been on record saying that a red line for us is infertility.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would be more conscious than Trey, although I understand his impulse to begin with. We should also mention that Kyle MacLachlan has a memoir coming out that was just announced called Fictional Selves. It comes out in October. We will be reading, we will be discussing. It has a great cover and that's not surprising because Kyle MacLachlan has time and time again proved himself to be much cooler than the average celebrity, certainly the average actor, the Only celebrity of

[Lauren Garrone]

this generation who can get away with doing Gen z memes on TikTok. So, yeah, this is where there's a brief kind of montage interlude where Miranda and Samantha are indulging in their secret single behavior. Miranda's got the Borghese gloves and is watching infomercials and she makes a date with Walker Lewis because she's decided she's getting. We forgot to mention in this Walk and talk there's a very funny dead woman fucking line that Miranda has that this is the last time she'll ever be able to have sex. Because if she doesn't fuck him now, that she'll be too big and pregnant the next time he comes to town.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So it's a dead man walking pun is what you're saying in reference to a movie that completely traumatized me. If I'm being honest. When I first saw it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Never seen it. Your parents brought you to the theater?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I definitely rented it. I think Susan Sarandon winning best actress for that movie is one of the first, like, Oscars that I really rem. But very disturbing movie.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, Samantha discovers that she has her own secret single behavior which is caressing the rose that is meant to represent Richard's penis all over her face and body. And then she immediately realizes what she's doing, gives herself the ick and then throws it in the trash. So then we've got Carrie and the girls at Charlotte's house for dinner. I love two things that are established at the beginning of this scene which is Charlotte tells the group that her and Trey do not fight because they're wasps. They don't yell. And also, it becomes clear that the cardboard baby was such an embarrassing incident that she didn't even bring it up to the three girls, right? Because Trey comes in, he forgets that the girls are having dinner and he's like, oh, I guess she's told you about the baby. Carrie, you're funny. Cardboard baby. I mean, that's funny, right? I mean, it's not funny ha ha, but silly. See, they sell them in novelty stores and other people buy them. And. And. And the clerk said that it was funny. You know what? Maybe you have to see it. Don't you bring that thing in here.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Silly. It's silly.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not to me, it isn't. How would you feel if I gave you a clean cut out of a big flaccid penis? It's not so funny now, is it? Don't you bring that flat baby in here. I will kill you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How dare you talk to me like that in front of your friends.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, they know all about your penis problems and they're just sick of hearing about it. There we were, right in the middle of a wasp nest. This is unforgivable. No, what's unforgivable is you denying me my baby because of your own selfish, spoiled needs. I'm spoiled? Yes, you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You.

[Lauren Garrone]

You are spoiled. I mean, the fight goes on.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would die to witness a fight like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm trying to think. I mean, look, I think we all know couples who. Their thing is to fight publicly. In front of you, for sure. But you're talking about a couple who's repressed, that you never see fight.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly.

[Lauren Garrone]

Have a huge public blowout. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, at least they're in the privacy of their own home. That, I suppose, is the element. That would be a little uncomfortable because there's kind of no escape in that. But I would just be thrilled to witness a fight like this.

[Lauren Garrone]

I got to remember this. For your next birthday, I'll engineer a public fight for Paul and I to have.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I've never seen you guys have a fight. You saw me and my ex have a fight. In front of Jumbo's clown room, no less.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know if that was a fight exactly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, I would qualify that as a fight.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think being in what I would call a healthy relationship, we don't really fight. If we fight, it's about stupid stuff. Would you agree?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I'm not in this house with you guys.

[Lauren Garrone]

You're meant for yourself in tat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah. We don't have intense or, like, particularly dark fights, which I appreciate. We have stupid fights over dumb bullshit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And usually when she's hangry.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, just going back to Charlotte and Trey's fight. I mean, Charlotte is a petulant child. Just saying, like, you've denied me my baby. Yeah. There's no coming back from that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So the girls vacate the apartment.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I love that Miranda. Of all the girls, the pregnant one has the afters.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, because she's going to fuck.

[Lauren Garrone]

She's gonna fucker Lewis. And she keeps rushing through the dinner. And there's a bit of adr, for reasons I don't know, because it's not on Carrie. But you hear Carrie say, or Sarah Jessica Parker say in a very eed yard line, don't worry, you're not meeting him till 10pm and I'm like, why did we have to add that? I wasn't wondering what time Miranda was meeting Walker Lewis, but okay. And then, yeah, Richard calls Samantha and she goes to meet him at his rooftop. So many questions about this apartment. We've already discussed Richard's cursed bedroom with the double staircase.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

That evidently has a pool on the roof.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is quite a flex, I have to say. I would be impressed by that. And it's genuinely cute that he, like, made up a little table or got his housekeeper to make up a little table, whatever.

[Lauren Garrone]

One of his three assistants.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He's thinking of Samantha. And that's cute. But again, I'm so instantly repulsed by this guy. It's. This scene is difficult for me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I don't think it helps that when he wants to dance with her to Sade and she won't acquiesce, he's like, I'm your boss. It's an order. I mean, it's James Remar, so he does say it with a little more panache, but I don't know, it's not a great look.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, this scene is cringe to me because of a combination of factors. It's like his full frontal nudity, the song, the slow dancing, and the terrifying Carrie Bradshaw voiceover, which was all this time she'd been trying to make him just a perfect dick, fighting her feelings that he might be the perfect Richard. Like, that is too much for me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah. And also in Carrie voiceover. Earlier in the scene, she goes, samantha met the dawn after a night of ssb. Sexy swimming behavior.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we could have also done without that. This scene could have been like 30 seconds.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm sure the people who had to CGI out the twin towers that were in the background would have also agreed with you of, like, this is a five minute scene and we gotta get rid of the twin towers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Damn. That's the only thing that could make this scene more cursed than it already is.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I think the first time watching this series, I took a lot of things at face value. And now as an adult rewatching it, I don't know. Richard does not come off charming to me in this rewatch. And it really makes me judge Samantha that she can't see through the fact that he's gonna say that he wants to be with her, but he's not going to be. He's not going to commit to her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Monogamously in the way that she does for him. Imagine if Samantha had a boy toy like Smith Jared while she was dating Richard.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Imagine if she just had a better version of Richard. That was someone that on some level, we were actually rooting for them to be Together in the way that we accept Big. Like he's not perfect, he's emotionally unavailable, but we still like, want it to work. Did anyone ever feel that about Richard and Samantha? I don't think so, no.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I think where the Richard storyline goes, I feel like colors our view of Richard when we do these rewatches for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But again, he was always very upfront about who he was, especially in a sort of workplace harassment context.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh my God, I had forgotten about that scene and now I'm re traumatized. Shall we go over the final Carrie Ayden scene?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, I just want to bring up Carrie comes home from Charlotte and Trey's fight. She finally apologizes to Aiden. She lays on top of his back fully dressed and is like, I fell asleep that way that night. You fell asleep sleeping on Aiden's back?

[Chelsea Fairless]

To be fair, she's probably like 80 pounds. That's like, you know, a medium sized dog.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean for him. Oh, yeah. I don't think he's uncomfortable. I think for Carrie, sleeping on a 6 foot 5 man is not very comfortable compared to your mattress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, she needed to watch Charlotte and Trey humiliate each other so that she could reconnect with Aiden.

[Lauren Garrone]

So anyway, Carrie enters the house again. This is where we get an acknowledgment of the Bradshaw Shaw residence. She says everything was pretty much business as usual. Aiden is being the most chill we've seen in this episode. He's just sitting in the chair that he designed he made reading a book. And this is where Carrie is finally like, you know, I don't know how to say this because I've never lived with someone before, but I just need a moment when I enter the door, which is like you said that correctly. You don't need to have lived with someone just to communicate that you need a little alone time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think this is a psychotic request just because it's like, like there's not a room that she can go into. It's more awkward just not speaking to someone on the other side of a curtain than it is to just have the like debrief when you walk through the door.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, also presumably she's either come from brunch with the girls, shopping, seeing Stanford. Do you need some alone time? It's not like you've just come home from your high pressure 9 to 5. It's not like you're Miranda and the last thing you need is more stimulation after arguing with lawyers for the last 12 hours.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, totally.

[Lauren Garrone]

But anyway, he says, sure, of course I Won't bother you. And then another thing we've never seen in Carrie's apartment before, but I guess it does exist, is that she has curtains in between the living room and the bedroom. She lays on the bed. And then, of course, once Aiden has given her what she wants, she doesn't want it anymore and instead invades his space and annoys him and sits on his lap while he was just trying to read a book.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I truly love the way that this episode ends so much because it cuts to the next day. Or is it it weeks later? Potentially. Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Her voiceover is. As our 30 days wore on, Aiden and I miraculously managed not to kill each other. But as I predicted, the plant was not so lucky.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so she walks out of her apartment in the Cavalli top and throws the plant in the trash can. This is like the Carrie Bradshaw level of compromise. She's like, I'm not getting rid of my clothes and I'm killing your plant because it's invaded my space case.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. And Michael Patrick King is like, see, we wanted to show the audience that Carrie didn't give up a part of herself, that Carrie is still her. And it's like, yeah, in the most dickish way possible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, like, it's not on her to water that plant.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, Aiden could keep that plant alive.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Either Aiden didn't water that plant, or there's just, like, not enough natural light in Carrie's apartment or something. Okay, Manolo. Rating?

[Lauren Garrone]

10.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're giving it a 10? Interesting. I'm giving it an 8.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because I don't think Miranda's plotline is that interesting, Carries. It's obviously important to establish, you know, her hatred for Aiden, which will only grow in future episodes. But it is a very eventful episode for Samantha and for Charlotte, certainly. And we don't ever get another fight scene like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Really?

[Chelsea Fairless]

On this show.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't think we even get a fight scene like that between Carrie and anyone else. I mean, I guess her screaming at Big in the penultimate episode. You and Me. Nothing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Okay, who's the mvp?

[Lauren Garrone]

This was hard for me. And you've given it only an 8 because Miranda doesn't have a good storyline. But I would say it's also not

[Chelsea Fairless]

a good fashion episode.

[Lauren Garrone]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Notice, we've talked about not one thing anyone has worn. The best thing is the Cavalli top and the look that we get at the end of the episode.

[Lauren Garrone]

But up until that point, there's nothing to speak of. Well, I was gonna say that the MVP is Perhaps Miranda, and hear me out. I think it speaks to the ethos of the show and perhaps the greatest aspirations of third wave feminism that you are a successful single woman who is pregnant with one man's baby, but you're fucking another man.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Man. It's beautiful.

[Lauren Garrone]

Actually, now that I'm saying that out loud, that is the entire second half of Wuthering Heights, which. Guys, I heard your comments. I know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Don't you have something to apologize for that I said?

[Lauren Garrone]

Evidently, withering heights instead of Wuthering Heights.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I didn't even notice that. And I was sitting here.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm sorry that I said withering heights instead of Wuthering Heights. And I'm glad to never talk about that movie again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

My MVP is Charlotte.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Just because that fight was iconic, and I feel like it's rare that she gets, like, a big episode about her.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, I see that. So who are you voting off the island of Manhattan? I think it's obvious.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Richard, obviously, in his perfect pink dick.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, I guess it's not. I was going to say Trey with the cardboard baby.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I still think that's better than sexually harassing all of your employees.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh. I mean, in 2017, there definitely was a New York Magazine expose about Richard Wright, best dressed. I know what you're gonna say, so I picked something different.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm just gonna say Carrie.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. In the Cavalli.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. As established, there's nothing else to talk about. But who are you picking?

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm gonna say Samantha, just because I do enjoy power suit Samantha, but I do have a soft spot for a slinky dress dress Samantha, which we get two in this episode. The green dress that she traumatizes all of Richard's employees with by blowing him. And then the lilac purple dress that she wears to the dinner. And then she takes off in the pool scene.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I completely forgot about all of that. Best line.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, this might not be the best line, and this might partially have to do with the delivery of it, but it does always make me laugh when Trey says, carrie, you're funny, cardboard baby. That's funny, right? That makes me laugh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I'm just going with it's dickalicious.

[Lauren Garrone]

I can't argue with that. Sometimes I know what you're gonna answer, and so I will pick a different answer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, this is objectively the most famous line from the episode. And sometimes, and often, that's because it is the best.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, also, so much of this episode, there are a lot of great fights. There are a lot of funny Moments. But. But like I was saying about my favorite line, so much of it is the actor's delivery. Like the whole exchange between Aiden and Carrie. Getting mad about Carrie telling Aiden to shut up. Like, the way that Sarah Jessica Parker delivers Shut up is funny, but on its face, if you read Shut up, it would not qualify for best line.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. Who are you? In the episode, I hate to say it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Carrie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Same. I couldn't deal with straight man possessions entering my space. That's disgusting. Scene.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I was also gonna say, you're going to hate this, but especially at the end when she's like, I need alone time. And then as soon as he gives it to her, she's like, hey, what are you doing? Because that is some annoying shit I would probably do.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's good that you know yourself.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Biggest trigger. I'm going with. He might be the perfect Richard.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It makes me want to barf. I can't get over it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, you can make Richard a pun by calling him a dick, but it really doesn't work. Work the other way around.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'd rather look at his flaccid dick than listen to this particular Carrie voiceover.

[Lauren Garrone]

I would have to say that my biggest trigger is the cardboard baby. Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that, like, this really came from Daddy MPK's life. Maybe I want cardboard babies back in novelty stores. And that's what I'm triggered by. Something around that bothers me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, hottest take, Pressure's on you because I don't have one. Okay.

[Lauren Garrone]

Mrs. Cohen did nothing wrong. Again, this is something that I took at face value when first watching this as a teenager. And I'm like, Mrs. Cohen is a bitch. Why doesn't she just move out in a week? But if you hear what Aiden says, he says we should be closing in a week. He means the contract. When you buy a place, there is an escrow period, which is what Mrs. Cohen is referring to. That's why she's yelling at them like, I have 30 days. Read the contract. So you know what? Mrs. Cohen did nothing wrong. And you're trying to push out your elderly neighbor who definitely sold you her stake in this co op, this prime Upper east side brownstone co op, probably for under market value. Where's Mrs. Cohen going? To a condominium in Boca Raton. Probably let her move out at her own pace.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Absolutely. She has seniority. Anywho, we've reached the end of our fifth anniversary episode. Oh, my God.

[Lauren Garrone]

To another five years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think I can commit to five years. Okay, we'll see what father Time has in store for our crazy asses.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, guys, we'll be back next week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

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