263: On Gucci, Jim Carrey, The Actor Awards

Summary

Every Outfit, Episode 263: On Gucci, Jim Carrey, The Actor Awards

Released: March 6, 2026
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garrone

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Chelsea and Lauren dive deep into the latest in fashion, Hollywood, and pop culture. The conversation ranges from surreal celebrity aging and internet conspiracy theories (Jim Carrey, plastic surgery, and clones), to the latest on award season (the Actor Awards, formerly SAG), Hollywood’s shifting corporate landscape, and an incisive, insider-critical review of Fashion Month’s major shows—including Demna's much-anticipated runway for Gucci. The duo maintain their signature bitchy-yet-insidery tone, alternating between sharp, satirical commentary and genuine fashion reverence.

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Highlights & Key Discussion Points

1. Weekend Recap & the LA vs. NY Art Scene

[02:09]

• Lauren recounts attending Freeze, an LA art fair, emphasizing LA’s unique way of only seeing fashionable people at rare events instead of on the street.

  “It’s not that there are not cool or fashionable people [in LA], it’s just because no one walks, you don’t see them. You have to wait for these yearly or biannual events…” (Lauren, 02:18)

• Shoutout to the Alexander Gray Gallery and musings about the Every Outfit podcast as ideal listening for artists—embracing their audience of "sick fucks".

  “I feel like it's the perfect podcast to listen to if you're a certain kind of, like, sick fuck.” (Chelsea, 04:03)

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2. The Jim Carrey “Clone” Conspiracy and Celeb Aging

[04:18]

• Lauren introduces the viral theory about Jim Carrey being a clone after his changed appearance at the César Awards (the French Oscars).

  “My entire feed this weekend was just questioning, is Jim Carrey a clone?” (Lauren, 04:18)

• Both hosts take down the internet mania, attributing Carrey’s new look to plastic surgery and general celebrity pressure, not body-doubles.

  “Have y’all never seen an actor of a certain age that's gotten plastic surgery… or is just aging like a lesbian? Like, there is a genre of man that just ages like Paul McCartney.” (Lauren, 04:34) “If you had cloning technology, [wouldn't] you clone 1994 Jim Carrey?” (Lauren, 07:02)

• Discussion expands to how celebrity visage has changed, with a culture of “hyper-real” faces, excessive fillers, and everyone moving toward the same look.

  “I think celebrities are increasingly affected by beauty standards, which seem to be getting more extreme and spookier by the minute.” (Chelsea, 07:41) “Gone are the days when a bitch would just get old.” (Lauren, 07:36)

• The pair dissect the beauty-industrial complex: newer forms of plastic surgery, extreme thinness, the “Ozempic era”, and the impossible standards especially for women.

  “It used to be that facelifts were reserved for people in their 60s... Now people are getting facelifts in their 30s.” (Lauren, 14:59)

Notable Quote:

“It’s not enough just to be a pretty girl these days. Again, you have to be moving towards these specific facial features…” (Chelsea, 15:24)

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3. Compassion, Fame, and Internet Bullying

[13:37]

• The hosts speak specifically to Sharon and Kelly Osbourne’s appearance changes, highlighting public cruelty online and real-life struggles with grief and eating disorders.

  “With Kelly Osborne, there’s... kind of like, how dare she be in public looking like this? ...It speaks to the fact that she’s going through something really hard and dark and like, needs medical attention.” (Chelsea, 13:37)

Archival Wisdom: Lauren Bacall on Aging

[18:58] (Quote aired)

• Inserting a clip of Lauren Bacall expressing exhaustion with youth obsession, aging denial, and media pressure:

  “I'm so fed up with a preoccupation with youth... I think you have to learn to live with what one is.” (Lauren Bacall, 18:58)

• Chelsea and Lauren reflect wistfully on Bacall’s grounded attitude.

  “I hope to God that I age into being someone like her and also into having a sexy ass voice like that.” (Chelsea, 19:50)

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4. Award Season: The Actor Awards (formerly SAG)

[24:44]

• Lauren rants (rightfully) about the awkward rebranding of the SAG Awards to the Actor Awards and dissects the changes in televised guild shows.

  “I thought the SAG Awards had changed to the Actors Awards but it’s the Actor Awards, which doesn’t roll off the tongue and isn’t true because one actor isn’t getting multiple awards.” (Lauren, 25:05)

• They analyze the Netflix deal to broadcast the show; applaud the addition (albeit half-hearted) of stunt categories; and react tepidly to Kristen Bell as host.
• Fran Drescher’s elaborate Marlene Dietrich outfit gets enthusiastic approval:

  “She shows up, dressed like Marlene Dietrich...in a top hat with ostrich feathers. It was very campy...I loved that.” (Chelsea, 28:23)

Major Winners Recapped [29:01]

• TV: “The Studio” and “the Pit” sweep; posthumous award for Catherine O’Hara.
• Film: Michael B. Jordan wins for “Sinners”; Sean Penn nabs Best Supporting Actor (with jokes about his absence); Amy Madigan surprises for Best Supporting Actress; Jessie Buckley is best actress for "Hamnet".
• Musings on the emotionally-charged "In Memoriam" montage.

  “This In Memoriam felt like, you know that arcade game where it’s like the gophers that pop out of the holes that you have to hit with mallets. Whack a mole.” (Chelsea, 32:36)

• Harrison Ford receives Lifetime Achievement; his softer, more earnest late-career persona is a crowd-pleaser.

  “I did think that Harrison Ford's speech was quite inspirational and it seemed like it made everyone cry.” (Chelsea, 33:11)

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5. Oscar Race Predictions [38:09]

• The duo play “who will win” but admit unpredictability.

  “I have none. Okay. Do you have any? Clearly you do.” (Chelsea, 38:09)

• General consensus: Sinners could win Best Picture; Paul Thomas Anderson likely Best Director. Debates on Best Actor (Michael B. Jordan vs. Timothée Chalamet), joked “Timmy fatigue”.
• Jessie Buckley is their lock for Best Actress.
• Teyana Taylor or Amy Madigan for Supporting Actress.
• Discussion of guild voting systems—Chelsea needs a second cup of coffee.
• Recap standout fashion (Teyana Taylor’s custom Thom Browne dress), Meg Stalter's subversive red carpet bit copying a Donatella Versace gown, and red carpet risk-avoidance post-stylist era.

  “We can now look back at the so-called ‘worst-dressed’ people and come to the conclusion that, in fact, these were the best dressed people.” (Chelsea, 43:15)

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6. The All-Consuming Hollywood Merger Update

[48:55]

• Lauren gives a thorough, biting explainer on Netflix dropping its bid to acquire Warner Bros amidst a media empire war with Paramount, Elon Musk and Trump-adjacent billionaire David Ellison entering the fray. Lawyering up; industry layoffs; threats to iconic studios and the theatrical experience.

  “It’s a wrap on Hollywood as we’ve known it.” (Lauren, 50:03)

• Satirical speculation about streaming/retail synergies ("pick up your Amazon purchases at the AMC"), and endless app rebrands.

  “Netflix just buying all the theaters and then it’s like some weird, sick, like, cross-marketing situation…” (Chelsea, 51:01)

• Paramount+ and HBO Max merging, $79B in debt, the government’s (lack of) oversight, and a jaded view on potential cost-cutting layoffs.

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7. Fashion News Lightning Round

• Fred Segal returns (Aritzia acquires, plans to revive the cultural epicenter of LA shopping):

  “Fred Segal was once a very edgy and influential store.” (Chelsea, 58:08)

• eBay acquires Depop: Shifting target audiences, job cuts.

  “eBay is kind of like the Facebook of resale.” (Chelsea, 59:25)

• Fashion Month Recap: Overlaps with awards season, resulting in content “wasteland” until Met Gala (61:01).

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8. Major Fashion Week Reviews

a. Demna’s “Debut” Gucci Runway

[61:01]

• Both dissect Demna's new direction (not technically his first collection, but first big runway):

  “Demna thinks that the Gucci customer is a tacky bitch that lives in LA or Milan or Dubai. And instead of running away from that… he's just, like, embracing it.” (Chelsea, 62:05)

• The show leans into spandex, pleasers, influencer-aesthetic, and deliberate anti-elevated “Revolve” style—purposeful and polarizing.

  “At Balenciaga, he elevated clothing associated with the working class into high fashion. This time, he’s doing it with hoodies… With Gucci, he’s doing it with revolve clothes.” (Chelsea, 63:01)

• Model direction: purposeful “drunk” walks, staged texting, and accessories/hair as the powerful details.

  “The way that the models… purposely walking badly. That’s the point.” (Lauren, 63:59)

• Mixed feelings: Not excited by the garments but compelled by the meta-commentary and theatre.
• Context: Gucci’s sales slump ($12.4B peak in 2022 to $7B last year)—Demna’s pivot may not be the commercial solution but is “deliberately polarizing”.
• Vanessa Friedman’s profile revelations: Demna lives in LA, contemplates his own brand, is a power book hoarder, and may roll out experimental body-type based sizing (“short and powerful” among categories).

Notable Quote:

“The one moment that stopped me dead in my tracks… the best fashion moment of this entire season is the finale look with Kate Moss… a dress where you could see her ass crack, with an exposed Gucci G string…” (Chelsea, 74:45)

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b. Other Milan & Paris Standouts

• Maria Grazia’s Fendi Debut: [74:47]
  • Bags: A+
  • Clothes: Boring, “makes me sad”, awkward masculine-feminine mix; “outdated, Kris Jenner 15-years-ago energy.”
• Marnie: [76:19]
  • New creative director Meryl Roga flagged; “reminds me of the Marni I grew up with” (Chelsea, 76:26).
• Prada: [77:12]
  • Ingenious layering presentation with only 15 models and four outfit reveals each.
  • Concerns over Prada x Meta smart glasses collab and tech-encroaching fashion.
• Bottega (Louise Trotter): [80:43]
  • Contrarian response to bodycon trends; heavy materials, lots of beanies, "Fraggle Rock vibes," Lauryn Hill’s attendance.
• Tom Ford (Heider Ackerman): [82:54]
  • “This is my favorite show of Fashion Week so far… made me want to be a Tom Ford customer if I had that kind of money.” (Lauren, 83:27)
  • Suits and PVC looks, “American Psycho” flair, Kristen McMenamy cast, explicit eroticism.
• Saint Laurent (Anthony Vaccarello): [87:19]
  • Sexy power suits to open, rubberized lace dresses; “my favorite show of the season so far…” (Chelsea, 87:33)
  • Lush details; shoutout to Barbra Streisand’s Eyes of Laura Mars on the runway soundtrack.
• Dior and Loewe (Jonathan Anderson): [90:09]
  • Playful, lightweight, and eccentric—“establishing his vision for the new Dior woman.”
• Vaccare (Final Paris Show): [91:38]
  • Punk attitude, deliberate archival references, more radical than prior seasons.
• Alaïa (Peter Mulier’s Last Show): [94:12]
  • First few bodycon looks felt “not very Alaia”; collection seemed like a transition as Mulier heads to Versace next.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Gone are the days when a bitch would just get old.” (Lauren, 07:36)
• “It’s not enough just to be a pretty girl these days. Again, you have to be moving towards these specific facial features…” (Chelsea, 15:24)
• “We want people in the public eye to be held to these impossible beauty standards, but then when they get slightly too thin, we turn on them also. You can't win.” (Chelsea, 10:33)
• “You know, I'm not a Star Wars person or an Indiana Jones person, but to me, Harrison Ford was, like, just kind of the ultimate actor growing up.” (Chelsea, 34:42)
• “Fran Drescher...literally dressed like Marlene Dietrich, in a top hat with ostrich feathers… I loved that.” (Chelsea, 28:23)
• “Demna thinks that the Gucci customer is a tacky bitch that lives in LA or Milan or Dubai. And instead of running away from that… he's just, like, embracing it.” (Chelsea, 62:05)
• “The one moment that stopped me dead in my tracks… the best fashion moment of this entire season is the finale look with Kate Moss… a dress where you could see her ass crack, with an exposed Gucci G string…” (Chelsea, 74:45)
• “We're also in an era where we can now look back at the quote unquote, worst dressed people...and come to the conclusion that in fact, these were the best dressed people.” (Chelsea, 43:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• LA Art Scene & Podcast Audience: 02:09
• Jim Carrey Conspiracy & Celebrity Aging: 04:18 – 18:58
• Lauren Bacall Aging Clip: 18:58
• Actor Awards / SAG Recap: 24:44 – 39:39
• Oscars Talk/Fashion Moments: 38:09 – 44:13
• Hollywood Mergers & Media Industry Breakdown: 48:55 – 56:40
• Fred Segal/Aritzia, eBay/Depop: 56:40 – 60:28
• Fashion Week Recap: Gucci & Beyond: 61:01 – 97:19

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Conclusion

A densely packed, sharply funny, and fashion-rich episode, weaving together pop culture obsessions and wonky industry analysis with ease. The hosts are unafraid to critique industry goings-on—from the absurdity of beauty standards to the sterile “safe” Hollywood mergers, through to both shade and celebration of fashion’s latest creative upheavals. If you missed the episode: you’ll come away both informed and entertained on everything from the most meta Gucci dress to the economics of streaming, and possibly still wondering if you need a brow lift or a see-through Tom Ford pencil skirt.

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Transcript

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Lauren Garrone]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And. And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. Five years in and we're tired. This week, I woke up on the

[Chelsea Fairless]

wrong side of the bed. Like, I'm still not fully awake. So I apologize if I have offensive and half baked takes.

[Lauren Garrone]

We swear we prepare for this show, but I too do not feel awake. I blame the drop in the barometric pressure. It's very windy today. I woke up with a killer headache.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I just don't feel confident in it.

[Lauren Garrone]

So I guess we're saying listen at your own risk. But we have plenty of fun things to discuss. For sure. Chelsea, did you do anything fun this weekend?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I didn't do. I mean, like, I had dinner with my friend. Well, that sounds lovely, but you did something.

[Lauren Garrone]

Shirley, I actually got out of the house. Yeah, that was a leading question. I just wanted you to ask me if I did anything this weekend. Last Friday, I went to Freeze, which is an art exhibit, an art fair. I think the biggest difference between Los Angeles and New York is in Los Angeles, it's not that there are not cool or fashionable people. It's just because no one walks, you don't see them. So you have to wait for these yearly or biannual events to be like, this is where all the cool people are in Los Angeles.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's true. At certain events, at certain parties, certain restaurants.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I do have to thank a fuckette we have fuckettes in all corners of the world, in all industries. Paul and I got invited by Alexander Gray of the Alexander Gray Gallery. So thank you so much for inviting us yet again. And we ran into a friend of ours, Drew.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I love Drew. Drew is the man who gave me a framed photo of Diane Keaton in the family stone for Christmas.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I think Drew and Paul are now art friends. It was very funny. I was like, oh, Paul is getting into painting. And Drew was like, I didn't know that you don't talk about that on the podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yeah, there's a lot that we

[Lauren Garrone]

don't talk about on the podcast, but

[Chelsea Fairless]

a lot that we do talk about.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also tried to limit me talking about my husband and just, like, straight men in general.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Because you get all those bad itunes reviews that are like, laura, I won't shut the fuck up talking about her husband.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I have to tell you that both. Both Alexander and Drew were indoctrinating anyone who would listen that they had to listen to this podcast. They're like, this is the perfect podcast to listen to when you're painting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like it's the perfect podcast to listen to if you're a certain kind of, like, sick fuck.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I feel like if we get enough artists who paint listening to our podcast, we could have a gallery show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A girl can dream. Speaking of men, I don't know about

[Lauren Garrone]

you, Chelsea, but my entire feed this weekend was just questioning, is Jim Carrey a clone?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, this is insane, because, like, have y' all never seen an actor of a certain age that's gotten plastic surgery

[Lauren Garrone]

or is just aging like a lesbian? Like, there is a genre of man that just ages, like Paul McCartney. Yeah, there used to be a Tumblr. Middle aged men that look like lesbians.tumblr.com

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know, though, because Jim Carrey looks a little more worked over than that. Like, it's not fully butch lesbian. Because, like, a butch lesbian, like, wouldn't have fillers like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. So we should explain for those who are not terminally online like we are. Jim Carrey was awarded an honorary Cesar award, which is the French Oscars, basically. And his appearance not only raised some eyebrows, including his own, but it caused this mass Internet psychosis where, yeah, instead of people being like, oh, he got bad plastic surgery, they were like, jim Carrey has died and been replaced by a clone. Now, this theory is fueled by a few things, right? He looks visibly different. He did his acceptance speech in French, which sort of lended to like, it's not really Jim Carrey. And then also people found these interviews that he had done over the years where he's like, I'm not real.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, he was more saying, like, Jim Carrey is a Persona that I created that I have, which obviously, like, have y' all ever met an actor?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. And he is also someone. Right. There's the famous story that he wrote himself a $10 million check with a specific date on it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yes. The most iconic Oprah appearance, the most

[Lauren Garrone]

iconic example of manifesting something. But he is, I think, the prime example of someone that thought that fame and fortune would fix them. And it didn't. And so, yes, he's given a lot of these interviews. He's also done basically performance art on the red carpet, being like, I'm not a real person. This is not real. This is fake. But that was, you know, I don't know, 10 years ago. First of all, can we just get into the logic of him being cloned?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, what's the grift here?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, also, conspiracy theorists need to pick Elaine because I would have thought they would peg Jim Carrey as a Satanist who's being kept young because he's drinking the blood of the young or something. But instead it's like, no, he died and they cloned a worse version of him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, like Barbra Streisand's dog.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wouldn't you, if you had cloning technology, clone 1994 Jim Carrey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'd clone 1994 Cameron Diaz.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, if we have cloning technology, you think the first person we're cloning is Jim Carrey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's truly wild. But I do think that the whole conversation around Jim Carrey stems from the fact that celebrities appearances are changing in increasingly dramatic and drastic ways. Like gone are the days when a bitch would just get old.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, yeah. I mean, celebrities have never looked better. Slash worse.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think celebrities are increasingly affected by beauty standards, which seem to be getting more extreme and spookier by the minute.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. Because I feel like on the one end, you have celebrities that are getting such good work done that they look hyper real. I would put Emma Stone and Kristen Wiig in that category.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, See, I would put them in different categories because I think that Emma Stone now looks like a face tuned version of her previous self, whereas I feel like Kristen Wiig looks like she took the substance.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like it's more of like a reverse aging situation.

[Lauren Garrone]

I found a photo of EMMA STONE From 2009, then 2017, then 2026, because to your point that she just looks like a Facetune version of herself, she more looks like when they try to take an animated Disney princess and they're like, this is what she would look like in real life. And I don't get it because I understand that actors are already, you know, beautiful, but whatever she's done to her face, it's like she's not even appropriate for films anymore because she just looks so unreal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hear what you're saying. I do think she's appropriate for films, but I think what you're getting at is that it's no longer like you just get like one thing, like you get a nose job or something like Jennifer Grey. It's now like you do a very specific combination of facework where you're getting a lower facelift, you're getting a. What's the cat eye thing called?

[Lauren Garrone]

A brow lift.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're getting a brow lift, you're getting lip fillers, and you're getting fillers. And it's like everyone is moving towards having the same face.

[Lauren Garrone]

And also you're adding in lasers. So your skin texture also looks hyper real. Yeah, but also we were at dinner the other night and someone was making the point that, like, even something like a Getty Images or any makeup artist or hairstylist are already smoothing out their clients faces on Instagram. So it's very hard to tell what anyone actually looks like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think Getty Images is doing that, but I think that any sort of like BTS glam content that is posted by a celebrity or by a makeup artist or a hairstylist, whatever, has been face tuned for sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

We should also speak to. Everyone has gotten spookily thin. Like we are at that 2005 era. If you remember that photo of Nicole Richie and Lindsay Lohan looking so thin. And I understand thinness has always been the beauty standard. For better or for worse. Mostly for worse. But celebrities are getting so thin that they don't look good in clothing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, but that speaks to a general attitude that people have where it's like, we want people in the public eye to be held to these impossible beauty standards, but then when they get slightly too thin, we then turn on them also. It's like, very hard to strike that balance. And because everyone is so deeply dysmorphic about the way that they look. And actors and people in the public eye especially. Right. Because they've always had to be conscious of the fact that they're being perceived by other people. Right. And now because of Instagram, like, We kind of all have this anxiety about how we're perceived and are sort of held to these standards that previously only really applied to like actors and models.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well also, if you're an older woman in Hollywood, you have to see through films and past photos of yourself what you used to look like. Oh for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can't imagine being an actress and how warped that would be.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, we're also seeing what happens when already thin people are taking semi glutides. Like some of this seems to be Ozempic induced eating disorders.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if it's an ozempic induced eating disorder. I think these people probably always had eating disorders or were always dysmorphic. But Ozempic just gives you a pathway to finally be your goal weight, even if it is something that the general public would consider unattractive or shocking.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I think with them, I think there's a general lack of compassion that I have observed online with regards to Kelly Osbourne and Sharon Osbourne. I mean Sharon specifically. Like she is someone that has publicly discussed her struggles with food and binge eating. She had a gastric bypass before the Osbournes. Kelly then grew up with a mother that had an eating disorder and a father that was like a full blown drug addict and was thrust in this situation where because of our deeply fat phobic culture, she was body shamed as a teenager. And then she lost a lot of weight, presumably from GLP1s, and then her dad died. And grief can affect your body in many ways, and a loss of appetite is very common. And also, you know, people that are grieving or people that are depressed notoriously are bad at taking care of themselves. But I think with Kelly Osborne, there's an element of it that's kind of like, how dare she be in public looking like this? And I get it. Like, the way that she looks is shocking. Like, we all should be shocked by it. Like, it, it's not normal. But I think it, it speaks to the fact that she's going through something like, really hard and dark and like, needs medical attention, Whether it's the result of grief or the result of having an eating disorder.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think all of this begs the question of if we're here now, you know, sort of being able to biohack your way into extreme thinness, where do we go? Like, what is the end result of this? It used to be that facelifts were reserved for people in their 60s, 50s, okay, maybe mid-40s. Now people are getting facelifts in their 30s.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's crazy. It really is not enough just to be a pretty girl these days. Again, you have to be moving towards these specific facial features which we're seeing. All of these people sort of do these little tweaks here and there to sort of engineer their face to get towards this, like, ultimate sort of goal of what a face should look like, which I suppose is like emrata or something like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Those proportions, I guess, or I stand by. I think the beauty ideal is like what a human version of a Disney princess would look like. Big eyes, small nose, big lips for sure. Snatch jaw.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it is crazy that, like, we hold public figures, celebrities to these standards, but then the second they get too thin, we turn on them for another reason. You can't win. And we don't care if people have eating disorders as long as they're imperceivable,

[Lauren Garrone]

meaning as long as they fit into the beauty standards that we have accepted, whatever way they got there is fine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. It's also the way that people glorify thinness in this Culture because we equate it with health, I guess. But we don't really care what length someone goes to to be thin, as long as we're not aware of the fact that they have an eating disorder.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, to go back to the Jim Carrey of it all, I also think part of this conversation is because women are so judged, or women in the public eye are judged at such a different degree than men are, that when men up there is this, like, as I said, glee, to just kick the shit out of them and be like, look how terrible he looks. I mean, his publicist had to come out and give a statement saying, that was really him. He was really at the award show. The producer of the award show had to be like, no, I've been in constant contact with him. He literally spent six months learning his speech in French to give it. Like, I met his daughter, his girlfriend, his grandchild. Like, his entire family was there. This wasn't a bit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it was also complicated by the fact that Alexis Stone, the drag artist,

[Lauren Garrone]

special effects performance artist, who's known for

[Chelsea Fairless]

putting on these elaborate prosthetics and impersonating celebrities, took credit for it in a post that used AI images that actually convinced a significant portion of the people who saw it that it was Alexis Stone.

[Lauren Garrone]

You're being too kind, Chelsea, because I fell for that post and I sent it to our group chat, and you and Ted had to be like, I'm pretty sure that's AI. And then I, like, looked at the photo. So for those who haven't seen the post, the caption was Alexis Stone as Jim Carrey, and it was photos of Jim Carrey at the event, and then an image of what looked to be the prosthetic mask and teeth and hair and the Eiffel Tower in the background. And it's like, as soon as you zoom into that photo a little bit, it's the fakest looking Eiffel Tower. I was like, I feel like such an idiot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's the Eiffel Tower in the background. That's the dead giveaway.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But don't feel bad that you fell for that. A lot of people fell for it. Also, there is this clip of Lauren Bacall in the 80s talking about aging that I've seen make the rounds on Twitter and on TikTok recently. And I just want to drop this in here for anyone that needs to hear this today.

[Lauren Bacall (archival clip)]

I'm so fed up with a preoccupation with youth. I'm so tired of everyone having facelifts and having to look good and have no lines and everyone competing with 20 year old girls. I mean, I think it is ridiculous. I think somehow you have got to learn. And they say, but it's your profession. I don't believe that. I think one has got to learn to live with what one is. And as I say, I may be cutting my own throat, it may be stupid, but I feel that you have to make yourself deal with things as they are. And we all want to look better. Everyone does. I mean, that's not original, but

[Lauren Garrone]

one

[Lauren Bacall (archival clip)]

gets older, younger people come up. That is the cycle of life. That's the way it has to be. Nobody adores it, but that's the way it is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope to God that I age into being someone like her and also into having like a sexy ass voice like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think you might need to take up smoking again to achieve that voice. You know, I did need to hear that as someone I'll fully admit has googled ponytail lift in the last week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think she's right, though. I do think it's not ridiculous because I, I understand the thought process that leads someone to get a lot of plastic surgery and to do all of that. And I'm middle aged, but I could be older. And maybe it's easier said than done. Like maybe when I'm in my 70s, I will want to look like Jocelyn Wildenstein or something. But I find it odd that the options currently are kind of like, you're either young, you're old, or you're like ET like you. You choose this third path where you don't actually look like a young person. You look like this sort of alien being. And the most famous example of this is Cher.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I was gonna say Kris Jenner.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I don't know. I would rather be a chic old person like Lauren Bacall than this weird third thing, trying to pass as a younger person.

[Lauren Garrone]

And even though facelifts have gotten better, lasers have gotten better, you know what is always a dead giveaway. Like your face could look 30, right. Kris Jenner has gotten this insane facelift, this deep plane facelift. But guess what? There's no procedure to make your hands look like they're in their 30s.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. But also I think I fundamentally, like, I understand why people get facelifts and I don't think it's just about looking better. I think it's also just fundamentally a denial of aging because, you know, we're all scared about our mortality. And if you can sort of look younger in the mirror, then Maybe the age that you are doesn't matter so much.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, there's also that guy, that tech billionaire guy, Brian Johnson, who's trying to make himself younger. And he has a good sense of humor about it. But if you've watched any videos about what he does and what he eats, like he essentially eats gruel. He's like, I have figured out the most optimized way to get all my nutrients in. And it's like, you know what? Sometimes eating a Smash burger is worth it. Life's too short.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'd rather be old and fat. I'm sorry, I'm not doing all that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Did you see the post? We will move on to other things, but it was an interesting anecdote to this hyper fixation which was this tweet that was going around, Monica Bellucci on the red carpet recently versus Demi Moore. And how honestly, Monica Bellucci, who's aged naturally and has this beautiful zoftic body is probably where it's at. And it's like, yeah, you need fat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, and then of course it's going to be another beauty standard because I can see a world in which like everyone is so worked over that the beauty standard in this sort of rich person beauty standard is be natural. And there will be a reversal. It'll be like, oh, if you're worked over, you're low class. It's just how it works. Like if something is really popular, then the natural progression is for the opposite of that to be popular.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's very true. For the longest time everyone drank non dairy milk and it seems like the hot girlies are back on whole milk.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not me.

[Lauren Garrone]

I live for just a splash of half and half in my coffee in the morning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, I think it's time for a little award season. Check in. This past Sunday were the Actor Awards, formerly known as the Screen Actors Guild Awards, which. Can I harp on this for a second? So they change the name. Yes, Chelsea, I've given you no choice but to let me harp on this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love when you ask me a question and it's like the answer is irrelevant.

[Lauren Garrone]

So at first I thought the SAG Awards had changed to the Actors Awards, but it's the Actor Awards, which doesn't roll off the tongue and isn't true because one actor isn't getting multiple awards. Multiple actors are getting a award. Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But the award itself is called the Actor the way that the Academy Award is called the Oscar, but it was

[Lauren Garrone]

formerly the Screen Actors Guild Awards.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, I get it. For me, this feels like a bit of a downgrade, but I understand the impulse for a rebrand from a PR perspective, because I would venture to guess that, like, 99% of people don't know what SAG is or even what the acronym stands for. And they also don't know that this is the one award show where the voting body is actors, which is a very cool point of difference. So I understand why they would want to use that as, like, a marketing thing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure. And it's. I mean, other guilds in the entertainment industry have their own awards. There's the Writers Guild Awards, the Directors Guild, the Producers Guild. But the Screen Actors Guild is the only guild that has a televised program which used to be on TNT and is now on Netflix, which I feel like many people miss this award show

[Chelsea Fairless]

because, yeah, we've been watching the SAG Awards for the past 20 years. And, you know, I don't even think it's the name that prevented people from watching it. I think it's the fact that it's always been on random cable networks. It's been hard to watch. Like, you'd have to be like a freak nerd like us to even bother to watch the SAG Awards.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. If you watch the official red carpet on Netflix. I thought it was very funny. They've added the stunt performer categories for television and for movies, which is great to include. This group that is in the Guild, never represented in awards, are a very consequential part of a lot of movies. But they handed out the awards and announced them on the red carpet. So it's like you're now included in the award show, but we're not going to put you in the main award show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What do we think about Kristen Bell as a host?

[Lauren Garrone]

Fine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Same. Not for me, but that's fine. People eat that shit up.

[Lauren Garrone]

There's a whole other side of America. Like, there really is totally that. Love her. And love her. Is she's Elsa, right, in Frozen or she's the other one in Frozen?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. But, like, I don't even want people to, like, call in and correct us.

[Lauren Garrone]

She was the host last year, I think, as well. But it is interesting that it's like Netflix, which has often felt like a danger to the entertainment industry, now broadcast this award show, and then the star of one of their biggest TV shows on this streamer, which is Kristen Bell and nobody wants us, is now the host of the Screen Actors Guild, or, sorry, the Actor Awards.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Can we talk about Fran Treasure's red carpet look, though?

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure. Did you remember that they had a theme like it was the Met Gala? Because I forgot this until my friend Kayla brought it up to me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I forgot until I saw Fran Drescher's outfit, because I was like, what the fudge?

[Lauren Garrone]

The theme was reimagining Hollywood of the 20s and 30s, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So she shows up, like, literally dressed like Marlene Dietrich, like, in a top hat with the ostrich feathers. It was very campy. It was a kind of red carpet look for Fran Drescher that we haven't seen seen in a long time. Because even though she used to be known for pulling these very stunty looks, especially now that she is the president of the Screen Actors Guild, former Sean

[Lauren Garrone]

Astin is now the president.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. The former president. Well, maybe that's why she's dressing like this now.

[Lauren Garrone]

She goes, I don't have to be serious anymore. I'm not the. The head of a guild. I can start pulling looks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm back to my crazy ass self. And I loved that.

[Lauren Garrone]

So should I do a rundown of the big winners? Sure. All right. On the TV side, no surprise The Studio and the Pit one in all the major television categories. I feel like it's worth noting. Catherine o' Hara won a posthumous award for her work on the Studio. Seth Rogen accepted the award on her behalf and gave a touching speech encouraging everyone to show anyone they know Catherine o' Hara's work. And then there were a few surprises on the movie side. Michael B. Jordan won for Sinners for best Actor. He won the NAACP award the previous night, but this past weekend has been the first time he has won major awards for this Sinner's performance, which I feel like really opens the door as we go into the Academy Awards. Also, Sean Penn won best supporting actor. Sean Penn, who's not there. I assume he is in Iran or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He's somewhere. Tat walked past him at LAX day before yesterday.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is a man that likes to be on the forefront of conflict.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So we shall see.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Sinners also won best ensemble, which is the actor awards equivalent to best picture. Amy Madigan won best supporting actress. It's been kind of neck and neck between Teyana Taylor and Amy Madigan.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved that. And there's always someone, like at the SAG Awards that really leans into this sort of working actor union aspect of it with their acceptance speech. And. And this time it was this zany bitch, and I loved her vibe, personally.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I feel like heading into the Oscars, it might be a really fun and surprising award show, which I thought heading into this award season, the Oscars would be very boring. But there is a possibility that Sinners could win best Picture at the Oscars. Of course. Shall we discuss some of the other winners?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. Jessie Buckley won best actress for Hamnet, which is the one movie I haven't seen still. I will. I did watch. If you had legs, I would kick you.

[Lauren Garrone]

Should I watch that film or is it going to give me an anxiety attack?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's going to give you an anxiety attack. Never watched that film. Rose Byrne was incredible in that movie. Like, I'm glad I watched it. I had no idea that Conan o' Brien and ASAP Rocky had such huge roles in this film. Like, they had the most screen time apart from Rose Byrne.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. Conan o' Brien plays her. Thera. Just.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's an incredible performance. But I love that Jessie Buckley dedicated her award in part to Emily Watson, who I didn't know was in Hamnet, but she's always going to be a queen to us because of Breaking the Waves, so.

[Lauren Garrone]

And is evidently a queen to Jessie Buckley because of that film as well, which made her want to be an actress. But I had the same reaction where I'm like, oh, I didn't know that Emily Watson and Jesse Buckley are friends. And then she was like, when we were in Hamnet together, I'm like, oh, checks out. But Jessie Buckley has won every single award for Best Actress. So it does feel like it is a lock for her at the Oscars, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, with the In Memoriam, I totally forgot that Diane Ladd and Val Kilmer died. It was like news to me all over again.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think that that might have been the most traumatizing In Memoriam because it was like, I just got over Diane Keaton dying and now I've been reminded of this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, this In Memoriam felt like, you know that arcade game where it's like the gophers that pop out of the holes that you have to hit with mallets.

[Lauren Garrone]

Whack a mole.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, it felt like that. I'm like, don't fucking remind me. That Gene Hackman died.

[Lauren Garrone]

And we're going to have to experience this in a mere week and a half with the Oscars.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. Also, Harrison Ford got the Lifetime Achievement Award. I will say that is one of the most upsetting looking trophies someone can win because it's not like the typical SAG award, which is like, you know, a Michelangelo esque, sort of idealized male figure. It is like a scary, like, tragedy mask.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anyway, I did think that Harrison Ford's speech was quite inspirational and it seemed like it made everyone cry.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I do love this new era of Harrison Ford where, you know, for a long time he was very aloof in interviews. And he was notoriously one of the most difficult interviews to do with a celebrity. And now it feels like he's in a very earnest, sincere place. I also every few years forget that he's still married to Kalista Flockhart. And I do find it heartwarming. It's like, like, hell, yeah. They're still together. Of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's delightful. Although it sucks that she kind of like stopped being an actress the second that they got married.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, she's been in things that you wouldn't necessarily watch. I believe she was in a CW Supergirl show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I get it, though. Being Ally McBeal like that is kind of like being Carrie Bradshaw. Like, you will just be defined as that for the rest of your life, no matter what you do.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think that she doesn't want to be in that world anymore. She easily could.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, she was in Swans.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, she's primed for the Ryan Murphy verse. But of course, she's already been in it. Here's to her being in season two of All's Fair. Let's have her join the practice.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I love that Woody Harrelson's crazy ass presented him with that award. That may be like Harrison Ford more.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, they're obviously weed buddies, which.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great. And, you know, I'm not a Star wars person or an Indiana Jones person, but to me, Harrison Ford was like, just kind of the ultimate actor growing up. And all those, like, action thrillers that he did.

[Lauren Garrone]

Seven Days, Six Nights with Anne Haysch. Okay, not that I saw that movie in the theaters.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So did I. I also saw Air Force One in the theaters, and that movie is incredible. That holds up.

[Lauren Garrone]

I've never seen Air Force One.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, what?

[Lauren Garrone]

I said what I said.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, here are the reasons to see air Force One. One. It is a rare, pre September 11th like, movie about terrorism that they don't make anymore. They stopped making after September 11th.

[Lauren Garrone]

Gary Oldman is Russian.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Glenn Close plays the vice president.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who is on the ground. She has a sassy, like Carrie in season five kind of haircut.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, she has the hair of Carrie when she goes to Atlantic City and is, like, looking at that old married couple and, like, looking sad like on the boardwalk.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. So the worst that Carrie has ever looked. Got it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's not what I was saying. No, she looks major. It's a great performance by Harrison Ford. And the cinematographer of Air Force One is Michael Bauhaus, who did all of the Fassbender movies and did Goodfellas and is a genius. So it's like, it actually looks major.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, I'll rent it tonight.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was a digression.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I have none. Okay. Do you have any? Clearly you do.

[Lauren Garrone]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, that's another leading question.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I thought it would be a fun thought experiment. I really do think it could be anyone's game. As I said, I think Sinners could win Best Picture. I wouldn't be surprised if one battle after another won best this picture for sure. I think Paul Thomas Anderson will win Best Director.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think so too. And I think Sinners will win Best Picture.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. Ryan Coogler will definitely win Best Original Screenplay, but I think it's 50. 50 between Timothee Chalamet and Michael B. Jordan for Best Actor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. It's hard to say. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[Lauren Garrone]

Same. But I feel like people might be tired of Timmy's Timminess in this press

[Chelsea Fairless]

run, but who beat Timmy last year?

[Lauren Garrone]

This is the other thing with modern day Oscars. I cannot remember anyone who has won Adrien Brody for the Brutalist.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, right, Fair. But he already had one. But he still deserved it. Of course we thought he deserved it. And then his speech was so annoying that we're like, maybe it would have been better if it was Timmy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Then we were made aware of what his art looked like. And then we were like, like, you gotta take that Oscar away from him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Then we really got the ick.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. Best Actress, Jesse Buckley. I don't think there's gonna be an upset there, but Best Supporting Actress. Again, I think it's 5050 between Teyana Taylor or Amy Madigan.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like it'll be Teyana Taylor.

[Lauren Garrone]

The thing about the Oscars is each guild, each category nominates for the nominees. So the actors vote for the actor categories. Production design. For the production design. Etc, Etc. But for the total voting, everybody votes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What do you mean for the total voting?

[Lauren Garrone]

Meaning that for the actual Oscars, when deciding who wins, every guild is voting on each category.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. Sorry, that took me a moment because as established, I haven't woken up today.

[Lauren Garrone]

To be fair, I don't think I explained that. Great. Because I am also not awake. And then, yeah, Best Supporting Actor. I mean, Stellan Skarsgard won the Golden Globe, Jacob Elordi won the Critics Choice Award, and then Sean Pen just won the BAFTA and the actor award. He was not present for either. I think the best strategy he has done this award season is to do nothing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it'll be Stellan Skarsgrd. That's my prediction.

[Lauren Garrone]

I hope it's Stellan Skarsgrd. And I hope he takes his son, Alexander Skarsgard. And I hope Alexander Skarsgard pulls a look on the red carpet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

When has he not? Shall we touch upon SAG fashion? I feel like it's been long enough that I've kind of forgotten, but. But at this point, like, what sticks out, if anything?

[Lauren Garrone]

Hayana Taylor's dress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Which. Who did that? What was that? Do we know? Was it Tom Brown? Was it Schiaparelli? It had to be something like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Custom Tom Brown. Guys, we swear we researched the podcast. I was too busy this week trying to make sense of the Warner Brothers, Netflix, Paramount saga, which I'll get into in a second.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Speak for yourself. I didn't research shit. And I will say what I remember from this SAG Awards is Meg Staltler.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, my God, yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because talk about someone that is sort of dressing in the mode of Fran

[Lauren Garrone]

Drescher and committing to the bit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Committing to the bit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not since Trey Parker and Matt Stone did acid and wore Gwyneth Paltrow and Jennifer Lopez's dresses to the Oscars, have we had someone consistently. Yeah. Doing bits on the red carpet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, and similarly, like Trey Parker and Matt Stone, I think she kind of comes at it from the standpoint of like, I kind of don't fit in here.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So I am just going to sort of be this parody of a celebrity. And the dress that she wore was a copy of a Versace gown that was once worn by Donatella Versace. As she said on the red carpet, they didn't make it in my size. So we just Made it. And to me, that's like the absolute coolest thing. And the fact that she was, like, smoking a cigarette or I don't know if it was a prop cigarette or a real cigarette, but, like, why not? And this strategy has been working for her. Like, she has consistently been getting a lot of attention for the way that she's dressing on the red carpet at these award shows. And why not? Like, everyone takes it so seriously. Yeah, everyone's so afraid of doing anything that is, like, outside of the norm.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, we also have discussed the red carpet pre stylists and the fact that in the last 15 years, celebrities have become so terrified to be on the worst dress list that they will not take risks. And she is someone that is not afraid to be a fashion victim or be placed on the worst dress list. And I think because she doesn't have that fear, she isn't the worst dressed. Like, she always looks the best.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're also in an era where we can now look back at the quote unquote, worst dressed people. Whether it's Bjork in the swan dress or Fran Drescher or Laura Flynn Boyle dressed as a ballerina or whatever it is, we can look at that and come to the conclusion that in fact, these were the best dressed people. Cher was the best dressed person at the Oscars, not the worst dressed. And that there's currency to having a really memorable, fun, outrageous look.

[Lauren Garrone]

And without that, we have seen how boring the red carpet is, how boring the commentary about the red carpet is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm not saying that everyone should be doing the kind of stunty stuff that she's doing. She can pull it off because she's actually like a comedic genius that is thinking about what she's wearing in a very conceptual way, which I don't think the average actor is interested in or capable of, but I think it's really fascinating and cool.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyone else?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No one else stands out. I literally only remember her and Fran Drescher, I think. Oh, and our girl from Love Story. It's interesting seeing Sarah Pigeon, like, not dressed as Carolyn Bessette.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm sure it's a relief for her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She looked gorgeous. Also, we didn't plan on discussing this, but there was an auction of clothing that was owned by Carolyn Bessette this week. And there was a bitty more over this Prada coat, a very, very famous piece, a camel colored coat that sold for nearly $200,000.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, it is an iconic piece, not worth $192,000.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, the thing is, this Auction was like a mixed bag in the sense that it was a combination of clothes that she had personally owned and pieces that she had owned, but, like, they weren't worn by her. Does this make any sense? Like, stuff she was photographed in, but it wasn't her piece. Like, it was, like, loaned to her. No, not loaned to her. It was, like, the same Yoji jacket that she.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it wasn't the one that she actually wore. I think the prices for the things in that sale were obviously impacted by. Was it something that she actually physically owned and wore, or was it just, like, the copy? But I found it interesting that, like, one of the most iconic Yoji blazers that she wore, like, the one with the buttons down the front.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That sold for, like, less than $15,000. And to me, I'm like, that's much more major of a piece than the Prada overcoat.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't understand the level of wealth you have to have that that is a worthwhile purchase, because what do you do with that? You just archive it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I get the thought process, certainly. And I think when you have enough Money to spend 200k on a coat, like, who cares if you're getting in a bitty more? You're buying it for sentimental reasons and not because it's, like, what it's actually worth.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know. It just. It's funny to me, between the Jane Birkin Birkin that sold for 2 million, 4 million and this Carolyn Bassett coat selling for nearly $200,000, like, these are people who would detest that their objects were being sold for that much, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But Carolyn Bessette is just a unique sort of Holy Grail of an It Girl, and the power of an It Girl is unquantifiable. And I think the fact that people are so obsessed with her now, and there's this huge resurgence of interest in her and her fashion speaks to that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. I've been enjoying all of the substack articles that are like, you are not Carolyn Bessette. Go find your own personal style.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's also like, have you never heard of minimalism? Like, wait until you guys see Tina Chow. Like, it's gonna blow your mind.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Try to explain it to me, but again, my mental capacity is limited today, so talk to me like Mr. Rogers.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well neighbors, the last we spoke of this clusterfuck, Netflix, despite Paramount's higher counter bid, had won the rights the honor to buy Warner Brothers for $82.7 billion. I discussed in our previous episode that this is a no win situation, but the plus of Netflix purchasing Warner Brothers over Paramount was that we wouldn't have a Trump loyalist like David Ellison owning things like cnn. The minus, of course, was the further erosion of the theatrical experience, as going to a movie theater is diametrically opposed to Netflix's entire revenue model. And despite Netflix sending us all an email saying that they had bought Warner Brothers and despite that Hollywood Reporter photo of Netflix head Ted Sarandos and Greg Peters visiting Warner Brothers on the studio lot with David Zaslav, Netflix dropped out of the deal last week. Why Chelsea? Why would they send that email if they weren't really going to buy Warner Brothers?

[Chelsea Fairless]

You tell me, bitch, because you evidently

[Lauren Garrone]

can't tell a bit. A billionaire Nepo, baby. No, because David Ellison upped his bid to buy Warner Brothers to a hundred eleven billion dollars. And Netflix said, nah, fam, we're out. So the Warner Brothers board accepted it. It of course, needs to be approved by the government, but something tells me it will. Larry Ellison, the father of David Ellison, one of the richest men in the world, personally lobbied President Trump in favor of his son's bid. David Ellison also hired an antitrust official from Trump's first term to be his top lawyer on this deal. And I got nothing positive to say, Chelsea. Like, it's a wrap on Hollywood as we've known it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but like, who owns like amc? Do we know this? Shouldn't Netflix just be like buying all of the theaters and then it's like some weird, sick, like, cross marketing situation where we like, pick up our Amazon purchases at the amc?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, it's so funny you should say that because the studios used to own the theaters and there was a big antitrust suit in, I believe, the 30s or the 40s that made them give up all of their movie theaters. Although to your point, we are heading in that direction. Netflix has purchased certain theaters. Like they bought the Egyptian and restored it here in Hollywood, and they will do screenings there. But it's not looking good for theaters. Even though the vision for Paramount x Warner Brothers thus far is this. They allege that they are going to release 15 movies per studio. So 30 movies a year with a 45 day theatrical window for each film. HBO Max and Paramount plus will be combined into one service.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh God. So, I mean, actually, maybe not. No. I obviously don't enjoy monopolies, but I like, hate the fact that like, like I'm constantly navigating between like 15 different streamer apps and I never know what the fuck is on. Like, which one.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I think the bigger question is, is HBO Max going on to Paramount plus or is Paramount plus going on to HBO Max? Because HBO Max is one of the better streaming services and Paramount plus is the worst.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's hard to say because both of these brands obviously are so recognizable. You know, Paramount has its chic little mountain situation happening and HBO is synonymous with prestige television.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, this just means yet another rebrand for HBO Max when the mountain

[Chelsea Fairless]

is inside the O in hbo.

[Lauren Garrone]

So AI will be a, quote, tool for artists, but, quote, never a replacement for storytellers, whatever the fuck that means. But it's hard for me to believe that they're actually going to release 30 movies a year because these merged companies will have approximately $79 billion in debt. So if anyone feels bad about their student loans or any credit card debt, just $79 billion of debt, that actually

[Chelsea Fairless]

makes me feel worse. Thanks.

[Lauren Garrone]

They said that they're going to do $6 billion in cost cutting, including consolidating on tech, infrastructure, real estate, corporate overhead, and more. This is all code for laying off a shit ton of people. My fear, which is selling either the Paramount lot or the Warner Brothers lot,

[Chelsea Fairless]

what will happen to the Animaniacs?

[Lauren Garrone]

They're getting booted for sure. Now, I feel like this also represents an important lesson about Hollywood, because in Hollywood, many times you fail upwards. Because Netflix lost the bid to buy Warner Brothers, yet they will be paid a $2.8 billion termination fee that Paramount will be paying on behalf of Warner Brothers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

So the Ellison family, and I do say family, as David Ellison's wealth, of course, comes from his father. And his father, Larry elson, personally guaranteed $40 billion in equity financing for this deal. This family now owns CBS, MTV, BET, VH1, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, CNN, Warner Brothers, which includes DC Comics, Harry Potter, Turner Classic Movies, the matrix, Casablanca, not TCM. Oh, yeah, for fuck's sake. You've got mail, L.A. confidential, the secret Garden, most of Stanley Kubrick's films, A Star Is Born, Badlands, Treasure of Seattle.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, like all Star Is Borns?

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I looked into this. The first one was released by United

[Chelsea Fairless]

Artists, but the last three, Judy Garland and Upwards.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think we got hbo, Paramount Pictures, which is home to the Godfather, Grease, Wolf of Wall Street, Chinatown, American Gigolo, Ferris Bueller's Day Off. So, Chelsea, are you ready to pay a subscription fee of 1999amonth to AI generate what Carrie Bradshaw would be like if she was Michael Corleone in the Godfather?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, yes, I was trying to

[Lauren Garrone]

come up with a nightmare scenario, but I was like, that actually is not the worst thing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, I'd rather.

[Lauren Garrone]

Samantha, of course Larry Ellison owns Oracle, which I'm still unsure what it is, despite copious amounts of research. They are an American multinational technology company that offers a comprehensive and fully integrated stack of cloud applications and cloud platform services, which also has a 15% stake in the venture that controls the American arm of TikTok.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is just like, entirely too much for me right now. Mentally, psychologically, emotionally, it's bad.

[Lauren Garrone]

We already have one state run television channel, which is CBS News. We stand to have another one in cnn. And, yeah, I got nothing positive to say about this, but I feel like you and I would change our tune if David Ellison gave us control of VH1 and we could bring back the newly renamed VH1 and every outfit Fashion

[Chelsea Fairless]

Awards and also pop up video behind the music Best week ever.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And just like how they used to play all those, like, Celine Dion and Whitney Houston videos in the morning.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love how we thought we were gonna have nothing to talk about. And we have spoken for so long, and we haven't even gotten into fashion news yet. I feel like in semi good news, Fred Siegel is coming back in its original location. We have spoken about this in previous weeks on the podcast how we drove by the building and its iconic ivy had fallen over because of the heavy rains, and they were taking it down for context.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like. Like, to the listener, if you've never heard us talk about Fred Siegel before, like, this is kind of like the one department store in Los Angeles that has cultural relevance or clout. We have upscale designer boutiques. We have Maxfield also. But there are very few iconic stores here at this point, and Fred Siegel is like, the big one. So to see Fred Siegel go downhill, as we've watched it go downhill, has been very upsetting to us.

[Lauren Garrone]

And also a great restaurant, Morrow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, the cafe is the biggest loss.

[Lauren Garrone]

But we have learned last week Aritzia has purchased Fred Siegel and will be restoring it to its former glory.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So they purchased, like the company, they

[Lauren Garrone]

purchased the IP of Fred Siegel from the Siegel family and signed a lease agreement to open at the original Fred Siegel store at 8100 Melrose Avenue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is the Fred Siegel location in Malibu gone?

[Lauren Garrone]

Probably. Okay, so Jennifer Wong, who is the chief executive at Aritzia, said in a press release that the company plans to quote steward and evolve this iconic brand for a new generation. They plan to lean on curated product and immersive experiences, according to the press release announcing the acquisition. Yeah, make a Dover street market for basic bitches like Chell and I will be there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It doesn't even have to be for basic bitches like, Fred Siegel was once, like, a very edgy and influential store.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I feel like if you have made literal billions as Aritzia has, selling athleisure to teen girls and myself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I was about to say, like, there's no bigger customer than you and

[Lauren Garrone]

Japanese crepe pantsuits for your middle management job. The least you can do is revive Fred Siegel and make it cool again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, this is great news.

[Lauren Garrone]

And for those who don't live in Los Angeles. Or for those who do and don't remember, it might seem a little random that Aritzia would buy Fred Siegel, but for the longest time, they had this kiosk in the parking lot selling Aritzia puffer jackets. Do you remember this?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Lauren Garrone]

We also miss the fact that eBay bought Depop for $1.2 billion in an all cash deal, which sounds very impressive until you learn that Etsy purchased Depop in 2021 for 1.6 billion. So Etsy is selling Depop to eBay for a loss.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Interesting. Also, just the fact that Etsy is selling shit to ebay is really wild.

[Lauren Garrone]

So why would have Etsy and why would eBay want Depop? It's probably because Gen Z and Gen Alpha aren't buying things on eBay. Depop has 7 million buyers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, eBay is kind of like the Facebook of.

[Lauren Garrone]

The Facebook of Resale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Depop has 7 million buyers as of last year, and almost 90% were under the age of 34. According to the press release that was released, quote, the addition of depop will accelerate eBay's C2C strategy. Had to look up that. That's consumer to consumer. By deepening its reach with younger fashion forward consumer and expanding its presence in one of the most dynamic areas of resale. As part of eBay, Depop will benefit from ebay's global scale and suite of capabilities, including its financial services, shipping solutions, and trusted experiences like authenticity guarantee to further accelerate growth and enhance the buyer and seller experience. All right, it was also reported that the same week that ebay was cutting 800 jobs globally, which is an estimated 6% of eBay employees.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That sucks.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess they had to make way for that all cash deal. Anyway, congrats to Gen Alpha, who will now have to understand ebay's interface. I guess.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope they never have to do that. Okay, it's time to get into Fashion Week. Fashion Month, which has gone by very quickly. Is it just me?

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, time is going very quickly the first few months of every year for us, just based on what we talk about on the podcast, like the fact that Fashion Month, the fall winter fashion season and awards season overlap each other, culminating in the month of March, and then it's just like a vast wasteland for us. Until the Met Gala. Yeah, no one's thinking of us, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, there's a lot to talk about. And let's just go straight into Demna's. Not really his Gucci debut because this is technically his third collection, but the first proper Runway show since he got this job. I have mixed feelings about it, personally. I didn't find the clothes, particularly the women's wear, to be that interesting, but I love the makeup. I love the movement director, and more broadly, I think I appreciate the thought process behind the whole thing, because this was a hard pivot from what he did at Balenciaga, and I think that his haters were expecting him to do the same exact thing. And little did they know that he was dreaming up something totally new for them to hate.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, he's always had his finger on the pulse of what's going on in the world on the streets, and has always reflected that on the Runway. And this is very much clothing for looks, maxers, people who mog, people who know who the fuckicular is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't understand anything that you just said, but, yeah, I mean, and it's interesting because after looking at the show, it seems to me that Demna thinks that the Gucci customer is a tacky bitch that lives in LA or Milan or Dubai. And instead of running away from that and trying to do something more glamorous or more insidery or whatever, he's just, like, embracing it, which is a really subversive thought process when you think about it.

[Lauren Garrone]

We and a lot of other people had suspected that his collection would lean heavily on Tom Ford's tenure at Gucci, but he seems more interested in not an idealized Gucci woman or man, but the type of person who comes in the store and buys Gucci. That is often not reflected on the Runway, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And it's jarring to see, like, these stretchy spandex pieces, like, the kind of clothes that we associate with the Kardashians and with fashion nova on the Runway. At Milan Fashion Week and at Balenciaga, he famously elevated clothing that is associated with the working class or the middle class into the realm of high fashion. But this time, he's not doing it with hoodies. He is doing it with, like, revolve clothes. Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

And the gag is the construction. When I was watching the show, and this is a show that if you don't watch the video of the Runway collection, I think you miss a lot, because a lot of the collection is attitude over style. Like, the way that the models. I saw a lot of people being like, none of the models can walk in the heels. It's like, that's the point. Like, these are models who know how to walk. They're purposely walking badly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Someone told them to walk like a drunk. Walking out of a club that's been standing in heels for four hours. They can barely walk.

[Lauren Garrone]

Or there was the model who stopped in the middle of the Runway to send a text message and put his phone back in his fanny pack.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like, that's not an accident. Like, that's a creative choice. And to me, that was very successful. And the hair was very successful. The makeup. But, like, like, without the hair, the makeup, the movement director, like, to me, the clothes just aren't that interesting. I feel like they felt very, like, boring.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, at times I was surprised at how unfocused the collection was. Like, obviously, there was a strong emphasis on bodycon looks and the body itself, but then there would be, like, first slides, and then, like, you know, Elsa Hosk was wearing a Gucci track pant, and then there was randomly a floral silk slip dress, which was just sort of like, felt almost panicked of, like, anything that you like from Gucci, like we have.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But the floral dress is also, like, something he was doing at Balenciaga. And, like, the ugly floral dress is something that I was into about the Balenciaga look. So I'm not mad to see that come to Gucci as well. Like these sort of ugly 80s dress.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I'm not talking about that one. Like, there's a one off silk slip dress that's based on the Gucci.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, the print. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which just appears once on the Runway and feels incredibly random.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. No, I agree. Although I understand why it's there, and I understand that obviously, like, that's something that a person would want to buy.

[Lauren Garrone]

To your point. I get what he's doing. Again, it's the movement, the accessorizing, the hair and makeup. All very strong. Can't believe this is the first time I think we've ever seen a Gucci striped faux hawk.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. I loved that. Personally, I think a Gucci striped landing strip may be on the way, but

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't think this solves Gucci's sales slump.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think so either, but it's kind of like, not totally up to him.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's not. And in that regard, I feel like Demna is almost doomed because at its peak in 2022, Gucci had $12.4 billion of sales, and last year it was only 7 billion, which is a lot. But obviously they want to get back to that all time high. And that was a time and place.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, because it was the pandemic. It was people spending their unemployment checks at Gucci, like, literally. And it was also the intersection of that and, like, the Alessandro Michelle sneakers. And that was just like a moment in time that, like, you can't engineer those sorts of moments. Which is not to say that I think that. That this won't be successful. I think that we should never underestimate Demna. And even though I don't love the clothes in this show, I am excited to see what's coming. I'm very invested in it. I'm very entertained by the discourse about it. I like the fact that he did something that was deliberately polarizing, but in a different way than what he was doing at Balenciaga.

[Lauren Garrone]

Only time will tell. We learned in this Vanessa Friedman profile of Demna in the run up to his Gucci debut, or I guess, first technical Runway show, that he was basically ready to give up at Balenciaga, move to Los Angeles and do his own thing. He does live in Los Angeles part time, which. Ooh, a Milan to Los Angeles commute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And by do his own thing, you mean start his own brand, which. Which is the first I'm hearing of that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. He sort of makes it seem like he wasn't exactly sure what it was going to be, but it would be something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I loved this profile. I feel like it was so revealing. We got photos of his psycho Gucci office, which is like a wood, like, dining table with an antique lace tablecloth, and, like, above it, like, a sculpture of the apple logo. And then like, these sort of blown up photos of his chihuahuas wearing sunglasses.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was also revealed that he is currently living here, renovating a 1950s bungalow with his boyfriend.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I feel like you and I need to start going to Book Soup more because evidently he loves to frequent Book Soup.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I go to Book Soup a lot.

[Lauren Garrone]

And you've never seen Debna?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've never seen Demna.

[Lauren Garrone]

I wonder if Debna ever goes outside Book Soup and just stares at the line at Supreme.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I'm sure he's fascinated by Supreme. Clearly he's influenced by Supreme.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also love that we learned that Ideabooks, which is based in London, told him that he was their second largest customer after the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's crazy because it's not like they

[Lauren Garrone]

have a ton of books. So it's like, is he just buying all of them?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ideabooks is a genius business and they have been so influential and are such, like, a taste maker. But to me, like, I see these prices and I'm like, this is insane. Like, do you guys not just Google

[Lauren Garrone]

what books cost well, they know people like Demna will buy them, I guess.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also in this New York Times profile, it is briefly mentioned that Demna is exploring a new system of sizing at Gucci, where it is not about numbers. So it's not about being like a two, a four, a six. It's about body type. So you will buy, like, a dress for, like, a short and skinny person, a tall and skinny person, or a quote unquote, short and powerful. I guess that's me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yeah, I guess my thing is, like, what if you're skinny on top but powerful on the bottom? Because that's my issue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think we all just want, like, sizing that's consistent across, like, all different sorts of companies. Like, I want mass market brands to have the same sizing as luxury brands. I want brands to have the same sizing as European brands. Like, I want it to be consolidated. I don't want, like, a new weird framework for sizing, but I have to

[Lauren Garrone]

see what a short and powerful Gucci bodycon outfit looks like, which is funny that he wants to do this. I guess dynamic sizing would be the best way to call it, because there was not dynamic sizing on his Runway. Like, that was very much clothing for the post. Semi glue tied people.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But that goes beyond, like, thinness, right? Because, like, the male models that he picked were, like, all, like, on steroids. And it was a very, like, international male catalog kind of aesthetic in my mind. Or at least when I saw it, I was like, oh, this is based on, like, a sort of 90s beefcake ideal euro trash.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, there was that Ginger model who I think has been id'd. I think he's a hockey player that was walking. I mean, they also had a very purposeful, like, roided out walk, which was

[Chelsea Fairless]

so campy and fun. I think that the men's looks were ultimately more interesting than the women's looks in this show, certainly. But also I think that the casting of the women was interesting and, like, a very different. Different than what we're used to seeing at Balenciaga, certainly, because this show had, like, all of the. I'm just gonna say, like, revolve girls. Emrata, Elsa Hosk, Emilia Gray. These girls are all known for being models slash influencers. They all have the face that I've been discussing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That everyone is working towards.

[Lauren Garrone]

Gabriette was also walking, who has more of an Angelina Jolie influence style we also haven't talked about. She was walking. She probably walked the best in what I'll call Gucci, pleasers. Yeah, like these high heels that are just so exaggerated.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, the cool thing about this is, like, Balenciaga. It's very, like, egalitarian in the sense that, like, we can all easily copy these outfits. You don't have to have money to look like this. You can buy pleasers. You can shop at Fashion Nova. You can watch a YouTube tutorial about how to do the incredible eye makeup that. I forget who the makeup artist was, but, like, you could do that, right?

[Lauren Garrone]

But he was brought in to fix Gucci's slumping sales, which you're aiding. My point of, like, I don't think this is gonna fix the issue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think he's courting the existing tacky customer instead of trying to do something more elevated. Glenn. Glamorous, intellectual.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. Bringing a new customer in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I will say I think that the one moment in this show that stopped me dead in my tracks and I think is, like, one of the best fashion moments of this entire season is the finale look with Kate Moss, right. Which was incredible. Which was a different sort of look even within the show, just because she's like the soul Gen X representation on the catwalk. It was a dress. It was a backless sequin dress where you could see her ass crack. It had an exposed Gucci G string, which, of course, is a Tom Ford reference. The dress itself was like a copy of a copy of a copy, because.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. She wore a version of this sequin dress in the 90s, which was based on a dress that Julie Christie wore

[Chelsea Fairless]

in the film Shampoo, which Johnny Depp famously had custom made for her, I guess, presumably after they watched this film together or something. The dress that Julie Christie wore was designed by John Bates for the label Jean Varon, and that in itself was a copy of a Guy laroche dress that was, like, a little more extreme. Like the. The Julie Christie version was like the mass market version of the Guy LaRoche dress, which did expose the ass crack and was a very influential dress. So a powerful fashion moment, a meta fashion moment, and a really sexy one. Like, I think that I didn't find most of this show to be sexy.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I don't think it was meant to be sexy. It felt very grotesque.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it was meant to be sexy. But I think that the Kate Moss, like, her walk, like, the whole thing, that to me was like. Like genuinely erotic. And to me, that more than anything, gets at the heart of this brand or what we think is interesting about it, or certainly what we think is interesting about what Tom Ford did. When he was there.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. Again, only time will tell.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Other fashion shows. Maria Grazia had her first Fendi show.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is the note that I took. The clothing is so boring and makes me sad, but the Fendi baguettes are exquisite. It and will sell well. And then I was like, I need to write more than that. So let me go back to the collection. And every time I looked at the collection, I just got angrier and angrier. Especially those fur fucking collars that she had with slip dresses. It was. It was frying my brain.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, a lot of the looks in this show were like cocktail dresses that were styled with this sort of detached collar that looked like it was from a men's button down shirt. And yeah, to me, that was a really unfortunate styling detail. I think also, personally, for me, there's nothing that gives me the ick more in fashion than when people try to combine masculine and feminine elements. But it, like, doesn't really work. Like, I'd rather you just like, pick a lane.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, the way that she has done it, between her work at Dior and now Fendi, it just. It doesn't. Doesn't work.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also just like, outdated. It feels like something that Kris Jenner would have been into like 15 years ago. But I agree with you that the

[Lauren Garrone]

bags looked really good, which is really all that matters.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I mean, obviously it's just like, not for us, but clearly it is for someone. Someone's gonna buy this shit. It's not like she was unsuccessful in generating sales at Dior. Okay, Marnie. Marnie has a new creative director. Meryl Roga.

[Lauren Garrone]

Rogue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We don't know, but she's cool. And I'm into this because it reminds me of the Marnie that I grew up with.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I defer to you, as you are more of a Marnie head than myself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't even think I'm like a Marnie head. It's just like, to me, this is just the Marnie look. And Consuelo Castiglioni was a visionary, and I enjoy being reminded of the look that made this brand iconic to begin with.

[Lauren Garrone]

With.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I think that the nylon pieces in particular in the show will be

[Lauren Garrone]

incredibly popular and under the radar, but a very successful debut.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's impossible to talk about Marnie without thinking about Prada. There's always been this kind of. I don't even know if it's reciprocal relationship between those brands, but it's for the same b. Tch. Yes, I loved the Prada show. I thought it was such A simple and genius concept, right, because they only

[Lauren Garrone]

had 15 models and they had four layers of clothing. And so every time they came out on the Runway, a layer had been taken off. So it was 60 looks total, 15 models, 4 versions of a look that was revealed as layer after layer was taken off.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Very impressive from a styling standpoint. This reminds me of how I had to get dressed when I lived in New York, because one outfit has to be three outfits. Like, you have to be able to walk in the snow to your job. You have to then take off a layer, have an outfit for your job, and then you have to be able to take off another layer and have your outfit for like a party or a dinner or something after work.

[Lauren Garrone]

It certainly was the most ingenious collection of Milan Fashion Week. However, I was distracted by the fact that Mark Zuckerberg and his wife were in the front row. So I guess Mark Zuckerberg has abandoned the gold chain. I go on Manosphere podcast Persona that he was doing just last year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think I might have missed that.

[Lauren Garrone]

So the rumor is that he and his wife were in the front row because Meta might be collaborating with Prada on a smart glasses offering. And I feel like the reason this gnarly surveillance state object hasn't broken containment is because they're in these ugly, ugly Ray Bans glasses. And it disturbs me that Prada, who has not commented on this, I will say, but they might be part in normalizing and glamorizing this deeply fucked up object.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I don't think that, like, the Meta Ray Bans are offensive looking. I do think the Oakley Ray Bans are offensive looking. But I'm someone that doesn't want this product. Like, I have no desire to have glasses that record shit. But if I did, the Prada collab would probably get me because there just simply wouldn't be another option.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, that is what disturbs me about this potential collaboration, because earlier this year in the New York Times, they revealed that Facebook is floating the idea of having their Meta glasses be able to do facial recognition. And beyond that, the AI assistant would be able to, through facial recognition, pull up facts about that person. Whatever is, I assume, available online.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's horrifying.

[Lauren Garrone]

And then earlier this week, a report came out in a Swedish paper that the quote unquote, AI assistant are real people who are watching people's footage already. So footage of people. By the way, why you are wearing your metaglasses when you're using the bathroom, I don't understand. But, like, like, there are People who are watching you go to the bathroom, have sex are able to see your bank cards and other personal information.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Imagine having sex wearing, like, Oakley Meta glasses.

[Lauren Garrone]

So anyway, Prada has not officially commented if this is happening, but I just expected more from Prada if this is where they're going. This feels more like LVMH behavior.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I get it that, like, tech billionaires are uniquely sinister, but like Musha, Prada is also a billionaire herself. So this is like billionaire for billionaire kind of business arrangement.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure. But to that point, she doesn't need more money.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Absolutely not.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, shall we talk about Bottega?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. This is Louise Trotter's second collection. I like it, but everyone else hates it and I find it to be interesting. Oh.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, her vision for Bottega in just two collections is very clear. And to me, her vision is like an overwhelming amount of a delicate material layered on top of each other to give a very heavy silhouette.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think there are some seriously, like, heavy fabrics in this show, but that doesn't bother me as someone that is constantly cold and like, in a never ending battle with my wife about what temperature our house should be, I would love nothing more than to throw on one of these outfits.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, it's exactly what I would want from a fall winter collection, which is it all looks very heavy and warm.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It is a counterpoint. Like, obviously, the oversized look has been quite popular in recent years, largely due to Balenciaga and Demna. Now, I think especially this season, more than ever, we are seeing the pendulum swing to the opposite to bodycon. Skin tight, very sort of precise tailoring. But I like that Louise Trotter is offering up a different silhouette, even if no one else wants to see it.

[Lauren Garrone]

My only issue with this collection, I would love to know your opinion is almost every model was styled in a beanie. That was rough.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. To me, it didn't look like, bad though. And I really like the Fraggle Rock vibes at the end. Like, I like whatever these. This fiber optic looking fun fur. I don't even know what they are. It's some crazy material. They must be plastic or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, they look very fun and very expensive.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also cute to see Lauryn Hill at the show wearing one of those coats.

[Lauren Garrone]

Fashion month is going by so fast that we've exited Milan. We're already in Paris.

[Chelsea Fairless]

BIG is moving to Paris.

[Lauren Garrone]

Paris Fashion Week is not done yet, but there's. There's been a few very significant fashion shows that we should talk about before we End this very long episode. I didn't think this episode would go

[Chelsea Fairless]

this long because we've already talked about Gucci. I want to get into Tom Ford, which is now designed by Heider Ackerman. I think this is, like his third fashion show. Maybe something like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Maybe his second. But, yeah, he's done a few. To me, this is my favorite show of fashion week so far. And you're right. You can't help but contrast it to Demna's Gucci collection, because these are obviously two men that have been heavily influenced by Tom Ford are in the houses of Tom Ford.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But the difference is that Hayter Ackerman, like, wants the Tom Ford brand to be, like, classier than it is and less tacky.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about clothing that we couldn't possibly afford, but this collection made me want to be a Tom Ford customer if I had that kind of money.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, absolutely. This is where I would be spedy by money, for sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

It felt very adult, which made me realize, I mean, you made this point that Kate Moss was probably the oldest model on the Runway at Demna's show, but, like, this felt probably.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was definitely the oldest model.

[Lauren Garrone]

But yeah, again, these two collections just really contrast how youth focused Demna's Gucci collection was and how this Tom Ford collection is for the adults.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, there was a mix of ages in terms of models, and we got Kristen McMenamy in this show, which was quite cool. To me. This was way more erotic than Gucci. Oh, of course, like, by such a huge margin, like, truly sexy clothes.

[Lauren Garrone]

But my point about Demna's collection is it is for, you know, as I said, looks maxers, people who mog. It's for a younger generation who, you know, the research shows isn't fucking like the Tom Ford collection. Like, they might look incredible and look, quote, unquote, sexy, but they don't fuck. This collection is for people who fudge.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. This collection really fcks truly. And it's kind of the best argument for a body conscious look or a more tailored look. I think of all the shows that I've seen because it is a slim silhouette. But that said, there is a range of looks in this show. I would say more so than Gucci. I can imagine these clothes on lots of different kinds of people. I think, like Gucci. I think there was a lot of great men's looks and the casting of certain male models I was really into. Some of these guys looked amazing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, we should say there's definitely. I don't know how else to describe it. A very American Psycho influence in this Tom Ford collection for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because, I mean, quite literally, it's these preppier, maybe not preppy, but more sort of traditional suiting looks juxtaposed with these PVC pieces, this raincoat, which instantly recalls

[Lauren Garrone]

American Psycho, but then his different iterations of it. Like, my favorite look is the see through skirt skirt, where you can see the button down shirt sticking out of a sweater with the. I don't know if she's wearing tights or if it's garters, but like, hot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, she's wearing like sheer, sheer tights. It's again, like the eroticism is just unparalleled. And I feel like that was like not only the standout look from this show, but one of the standout looks from the entire show season, certainly. And one of the most innovative looks from a styling standpoint also.

[Lauren Garrone]

And I think this Tom Ford collection is bringing in a new customer who wasn't previously shopping at Tom Ford. Where to your point? Demna's Gucci collection is serving an audience that's already there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think people are really starved for glamour. And I think that a lot of these fashion shows, like, like, they're not necessarily making a case for buying clothes. They're making a case for buying accessories and shoes and stuff. I think that Tom Ford is really making a good case for the clothes themselves and for buying these sort of investment pieces, the suits, you know, the perfect pencil skirt, that sort of thing.

[Lauren Garrone]

The perfect see through pencil skirt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Talk about a collector's piece.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, what else?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think this could easily dovetail into a conversation about Saint Laurent, which in a similarly sensual. In the case of these sort of like rubberized lace dresses and a design

[Lauren Garrone]

house that Tom Ford previously designed for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. But to me, this is my favorite show of the season so far. This show, the opening looks, these power lesbian looking suits.

[Lauren Garrone]

Incredible was the 60th anniversary of the smoking suit that Eve Le Smoking. Le Smoking. That Yves Saint Laurent designed, the first female tuxedo as it is often coined.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And to me, this is like the best suit that you could buy would be from Saint Laurent or from Tom Ford. That would be my dream. But also the cocktail dresses, the rubber dresses, the lace gowns. I mean, to me, this was just astoundingly beautiful. I also loved that they played the Barbra Streisand theme from the Eyes of Laura Mars during this show.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, wow. Did they? I didn't watch the video of the show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I only saw this in clips on Instagram. I haven't been able to see a video of the show with the original music on YouTube.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which upsets me. And I hate that it's always a crapshoot and that you're kind of never guaranteed of seeing the show in the way that, like, the people that were there actually saw it, because sometimes they do replace the music.

[Lauren Garrone]

I noticed that with the Gucci show, like, if you go to fashion television versus watching the official official Gucci stream,

[Chelsea Fairless]

but sometimes they change it even on the official YouTube channels, I think depending on copyright stuff. But, yeah, Anthony Vaccarello is killing it. And I love the whole just like, eyes of Laura Mars is a fun reference, because the models in this show, like the models in the Gucci show also, or the female models, had this very kind of helmet, Newton, Robert Palmer, smokey eye kind of 80s vibe to them.

[Lauren Garrone]

Smokey eye forward.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, the smokey eye is back. Guys, we're gonna have to learn how

[Lauren Garrone]

to do our eye makeup.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're gonna have to buy so much micellar water. Is that how you say that?

[Lauren Garrone]

Micellar water? Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know.

[Lauren Garrone]

Just douse our faces with it. Yeah. I also think his inclination to focus on two or three design concepts and just do, like, every possible iteration of it, I find it captures my attention more than a designer that does a collection with a, like, 70 different looks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Cuz just give me three good ideas. Your average fashion show only has three good ideas anyway. There is way too much filler. And for what? I really appreciate how focused he is. And also, like, the shoes, the jewelry. Like, every aspect of this look is perfect. And I hope that someone wears something freaky to the Oscars. Probably not, but a girl can dream.

[Lauren Garrone]

Maybe if Zoe Kravitz is there. We have Jonathan Anderson's second Dior collection or second womenswear Dior collection.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This has been my favorite thus far. Again, like the Tom Ford show, I think this is making, like, a good argument for buying clothes instead of just shoes and bags. Like, these seem like pieces that are worth investing in, whether it's a, you know, shrunken jacket or a cocktail dress or whatever.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. And similarly, in just a few seasons, Jonathan Anderson has established his vision for what the new Dior woman is. And it's kind of eccentric. Definitely whimsical, romantic. There's a lightness in the clothing that has been missing from Dior for a while.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I've just been ignoring Dior for a long while, so it's a huge improvement in My eyes. And also the Lily Pad heels. Very special. Not dissimilar from stuff he was doing at Loewe. Like those were some of the most successful pieces, I think, or some of the most memorable pieces, the balloon heels, stuff like that.

[Lauren Garrone]

But it feels like a. A grounded eccentricness, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It also feels like that's something that's worth investing in. Feels like a good deal. I don't know how much these Lily Pad heels are selling for. I'm sure they're expensive as, but. But it's probably worth it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, you know, you and I are the same shoe size, so if you think about it, it's actually half the price.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There was also a Vacara show that I want to talk about just because it was very audacious and of course, they've always been an anti establishment brand. But this show was fascinating because it included pretty literal copies of pieces by Pierre Cardin and Rudy Gernreich and Balenciaga by way of Nicolas Ghesquiere. And to me, I think it's fascinating because there's this idea that, like, if you're a designer that gets one of these big fashion jobs at a luxury house, you can kind of rip off whatever's in the archives with impunity. But it's not really socially acceptable if you don't have one of those jobs.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. Which makes it very punk that they did this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's kind of like a journey into the mind of someone that has just consumed a lot of fashion. Because you can see like all these, like 60s references and stuff. But also like some of the looks towards the end of the show looked like almost like Gareth Pugh or something from like a decade ago. You know, it was kind of like everything all at once. And not necessarily references that all like synthesized with each other in a, I don't want to say intuitive way, because I do think it all worked as a whole and was like a very cool show. But it's just like not the combinations of references you would expect, I think.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, also because, I mean, we love Vacara. I've worn many pieces by them in the past few years. But, like, this is kind of a departure from past collections that were much more streetwear based, you know, plays on suiting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's more extreme.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think I will be very intrigued what looks end up on their website and are being sold on Essence because there seems to be some sort of production issue going on with smaller labels. Like, I sent you that womenswear daily story about how Martine Rose, despite having a bunch of orders, just had to cancel her entire. I think it was fall production or spring, summer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I really hope that that gets figured out because she's one of the great designers right now. But I think that in all likelihood, probably very few of these Vaccara pieces will be the ones that we will, like, buy on their website or whatever.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They're doing this to sell those, like, trompe l' oeil bra T shirts and

[Lauren Garrone]

stuff, which we will buy and we wear. Yeah. Okay. Final show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Final show. The final Aliyah show by Peter Mulier,

[Lauren Garrone]

who is leaving to go over to Versace. I would say that the first three bodycon looks did not feel very Alaia to me, or at least his tenure at Alaia. Like, it took halfway through the collection to be like, oh, this is what I recognize as work that he's done. Because to me, the first half of the show feels like someone who abruptly got fired from Alaia and not someone who. Someone who's leaving to go to another job. Or perhaps he's got one foot out the door.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I wonder what the thought process was behind it, because I was like, these dresses are beautiful, but I guess maybe just boring to me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, you would imagine that your final collection, he even said that what he wanted to do with this collection was basically, it's a vocabulary of the last five years. It's what I learned at Alaia, and I'm giving it to the next designer. It's like leaving the keys on the table at AI, I learned precision. I learned editing. I learned that real luxury is a perfectly cut jacket, and it's, like, cool. That only appeared in, like, the last six looks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think that when we think of Alaia, we still think of the bodycon dress first and foremost, before anything else.

[Lauren Garrone]

But that's not something he really dived into during his tenure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I mean, he did like. Like, all of those dresses are form fitting, and they weren't necessarily as skimpy as the opening looks in the show. They were more modest, even though they're form fitting. Like, I more associate him with, like, a skin tight, like, turtleneck dress than anything. But I also think that, like, some of the best stuff that he's done for Alaia has been coats, and I think that that was very present in this show also. That's what I would aspire to buy from Aliah personally.

[Lauren Garrone]

We all know your feelings about Dario Vitale's departure at Versace. Will you be able to accept a new designer at Versace?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. I'M excited to see what he does. I'm curious to see what he does just because, like, I can't imagine what that would be because I've only seen him do a Lia. And before that, you know, he worked at Calvin Klein with Raf Simmons and Machu Blasey. So that's my other sort of context for him as a fashion designer. So I really have no idea what to expect from Versace. I expect it'll be good.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's why I wonder. This collection, to me felt very one foot out the door, and that's why I didn't know what to make of the first three looks, because to my point, like, that's not really what he's done at a ly on that kind of slinky dress. So I'm wondering, like, are we getting a peek of what his vision of Versace might be?

[Chelsea Fairless]

To me, that's more like a look in the rear view of. Of Alaia. Like those first dresses. Like, maybe the material's different, but, like, not as dissimilar cut from what Cher wore in Clueless. The Alaia dress.

[Lauren Garrone]

And wasn't she at the Alaia show?

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was at the show, which I thought was cute. Very cute. But, yeah, I'm excited about Versace. I mean, I just have to come to a place of acceptance around the Dario Vitali of it all. And I have no doubt that he will get another really major job, and

[Lauren Garrone]

it will be cute. Cute. Do you finally feel awake, Chelsea? Because I do.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, sadly, I wish. I wish. And I'm gonna go take a nap.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, guys, we'll be back next week by.

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