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Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.
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Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.
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And I'm Chelsea Fairless.
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And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. Chelsea, let's just get into it.
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Let's just get into the extremely upsetting news. Or is it upsetting?
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You know, some weeks we're like, what are we going to talk about? Other weeks we have too much to talk about. And then every once in a while there's a new news story that drops right before we're about to record that utterly rocks us. And this week it was the news that Sarah Pauley will be directing an adaptation of the Bell Jar starring, wait for it, Billie Eilish.
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It's truly the most Hollywood casting ever, apart from like Sydney Sweeney or something,
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which Sydney Sweeney of two years ago coming off of Immaculate. I'd be like, I see the vision.
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This is just such a fascinating choice because this would be Billie Eilish's first major acting role.
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So the Deadline article that this story comes from had to be very careful in its phrasing because it would be her feature film acting debut, but not her acting debut overall because she did have that role in that show Swarm.
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That was not a role. That was like a cameo. That was like an under five cameo. This is like having Billie Eilish star in an adaptation of the Bell Jar. It's like having a baby that's just learned to walk, like run a marathon or something. Because what could be more challenging than a role like this because you have the sort of dual issues of, like, conveying a woman having a nervous breakdown authentically and also conveying a real person. Because Sylvia Plath did write this book based on her own experiences. She didn't use her own name. The book is about a character named Esther Greenwood. But we all know who this story is about.
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And it's not like Lady Gaga and A Star Is Born, where it's a movie that has been remade several times. This has been a project that has notoriously been in development hell for decades.
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Well, there was a really shitty Bell Jar movie in the 70s that I watched like when I was a teenager, right after I had read the book. And that movie sucks. I remember thinking it was very, like, made for TV type movie. It definitely didn't have the grit of the book or the glamour for that matter.
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We like Sarah Pauli. We like Billie Eilish. I think what we're bumping up against is the fact that we will always hold a candle for the proposed Kirsten Dunst directorial debut that she was supposed to make by adapting the Bell Jar with Dakota Fanning in the lead.
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Yeah, was it Dakota or was it Ellen? Am I misremembering?
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When I looked it up, it said Dakota. Although I do feel like Elle would have been better.
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They also were talking about making a version with Julia Stiles back in the day when Julia Stiles was like a major actress, which can you imagine, like the 90s version of the Bell Jar starring Julia Stiles. That would have been incredible.
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I feel like the screen adaptation of Prozac Nation probably killed the adaptation of the early 2000s bell jar.
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Yeah, that sucked. That really sucked. And the perfect time for a Prozac Nation adaptation would be now, especially with the success of Love Story, because Elizabeth Wurtzel was an it girl, you know, of the 90s. And when the Christina Ricci Prozac Nation came out, it was like too soon after to really, like, interrogate the style of the 90s in an interesting way.
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Did they even try to make it 90s or because it came out in 2003. Were they just like, it's. It's in 2003?
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It was basically in 2003. I mean, they did, but in like, the laziest way possible. That was a very, very disappointing movie. And also, I didn't fuck with Sylvia. The other Sylvia Plath movie I was disappointed by. I think Gwyneth Paltrow did a good job. But just as a Sylvia Plath fan, I remember feeling disappointed after seeing that
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movie, which also came out in 2003, that's a dark time in Gwyneth Paltrow's career that we really don't talk about. Like the post Shallow Hal pre having Apple Martin years.
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Yeah. When she also, like, did that movie Duets.
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There's proof where she's the daughter of a mathematician.
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Yeah. That was a really weird vibe.
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I guess what makes me nervous about this film adaptation and having a gigantic pop star like Billie Eilish in the lead role is I'm worried this is going to inspire an entire generation of Gen Alpha girls to get I am, I am, I am tattooed on them, which was a big deal when we were in our 20s and, like, very Tumblr circa 2009. And I feel like that's waned and I'm scared it's going to come back.
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Well, you know what? Billy could kill it. It's possible we've seen nothing that would lead us to believe that, but that's because we have quite literally seen nothing apart from that cameo on Swarm.
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So there's no word on if she's going to do the soundtrack, but there's kind of no way. If I'm a financier, I'm like, and I hear that Billie Eilish is going to make her feature film acting debut in the Bell Jar. I'm like, and her and Phineas will be doing the soundtrack. Correct.
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Look, if this is the legacy of Wuthering Heights, that we might actually finally get a Bell Jar movie, that's amazing and I support that. But it's just, as someone that owns four editions of the Bell Jar, it's obviously very sensitive topic for me. You know, I just do not want this to be fucked up like Prozac Nation.
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Here's my question. When are we getting a Weetsy Bat adaptation? Every five years, we get an announcement that some hotshot indie director is going to make it into a limited series. No, now it's an indie film. No, now it's back to a streaming series and it never happened. Happens.
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I guess we need Sabrina Carpenter to play Weetsy Bat. Oh, but, like, who else should be doing this, I suppose, is the question.
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You mean director or actor?
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Actor. Director, I guess I'm fine with. I mean, I've only seen Women Talking, which Sarah Pauley directed. That was truly the most upsetting, depressing movie I've ever seen in my life. It seems like she may be trying to make a movie that's even more depressing than that.
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Well, I've been A big fan of Sarah Pauley ever since the movie Go when she was an actress, she's now transitioned into being a writer and a director. She is certainly a highlight of the second episode of the Studio, which is the she's trying to get a one take and Seth Rogen keeps fucking it up.
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Yeah, I actually did see that episode and I Of course love go, but
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did you know that in 2015 she suffered a terrible concussion when she was going through a lost and found and a fire hydrant or a fire extinguisher fell on her head?
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What do you mean she was going through a lost and found?
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I was reading an article and this is what it said, that a fire extinguisher rolled down, hit the side of her head and she had debilitating headaches for years.
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Is that why she cast Billie Eilish as Sylv a Plath?
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Because she has a traumatic brain injury?
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I'm joking. I'm joking.
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We'll wait and see. Perhaps this will have the fate of the Kirsten Dun the Bell Jar and never get made.
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See, I feel like young Kirsten Dunst would have been a good choice for this movie. I also feel that way about young Chloe, 70, I think, who physically resembles Sylvia Plath more. I just don't want Sylvia Plath to have Instagram face. You know, I think that's what it is.
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But Billie Eilish does have period face.
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She kind of also has Instagram face. It's natural. Like, I don't think she gets lip fillers, but it is very much the look of now.
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I'm probably going to get some hate comments for this. I guess when I read the Bell Jar, I didn't imagine Esther to have gigantic natural tits.
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No. And I think there's a part in that book where she like talks about her friend that does have gigantic natural tits. I more imagine this as like a Maya Hawk.
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Yes.
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Or a Shosha Ronan. Or a Anya Taylor Joy kind of situation. If we're talking about actresses in their 20s, you know.
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No, let's shelve Anya Taylor Joy for our dream Prozac nation. That's true film adaptation.
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Mia Goth is a little older, but can pass for 20s and can also pass for a young woman in the 1950s.
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I like this. Can we make this a segment where we just fan cast films?
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But maybe this movie doesn't get made with any of those women. I don't know.
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We just have to wait and see
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Billie Eilish's hand holding the rose on the poster. Just imagine that I was more thinking
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like Diane Warren in her seat at the Oscars, watching Billie Eilish steal another Oscar for Best Original Song and and then winning Best Actress, Diane Warren's going to throw herself off of the Is it still the Nokia Theater? The Dolby Theater balcony?
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We figured it was time to do a love story check in.
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Well, because the real people have commented on this series. And then also we're going to do some fashion fact checking. But my jaw was on the ground when I got the push notification that Daryl Hannah herself, the real Daryl Hannah, not as portrayed by Dre Hemingway, had written an op ed in the New York Times to refute her portrayal on the show.
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Classy as fuck.
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If I may read some choice sections from this op ed, she goes the choice to portray Daryl Hannah, the character of Daryl Hannah as irritating, self absorbed, whiny and inappropriate, was no accident. In discussing the show, love producers explained, given how much we're rooting for John
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and Carolyn, Daryl Hannah occupies a space
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where she's an adversary to what you want narratively in the story. And that's when I gulped. Reading the story. I'm like, oh, this bitch did research.
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This bitch did research. And it was a very well written piece to the point, not overly self indulgent. She said what she needed to say. She opened with a fascinating anecdote about something that Jackie O once said to her, which is that you shouldn' stress out about gossipy stories about your life because it will just be birdcage lighter the next day. She's talking about physical newspapers, of course. And then Daryl Hannah makes the point that that's not how shit works anymore because of the Internet. And people are constantly regurgitating old news stories and they live on forever in this way that they kind of didn't
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before and the way that Internet culture behaves now. She makes this point, which I didn't even think about. But of course this was happening to her, where she talks about how she's getting like, threatening messages from people who think that she's the enemy in the fictional JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette relationship.
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Disgusting. Who are these people?
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I mean, the fact that she has to acknowledge, like, just so you know, I never compared my boyfriend's mother's death to the death of my dog.
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She also says she never did coke.
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That I find harder to believe, but okay, true.
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But when I first saw that scene where she's in JFK Junior's loft with a bunch of her friends, they're sitting around doing coke, that mirrors like a Carolyn Bessette story that's been floating around for ages, where he came home, and Carolyn and her friends were sitting around and doing coke, and he allegedly yelled at her in front of everyone and called her a cokehead and stuff. Who knows if this is true, but I was just surprised to see them take that story and apply it to Daryl Hannah for no apparent reason.
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Yeah, and she makes the point. These are not creative embellishments of personality. They are assertions about conduct, and they are false. And she connects it back to the work that she currently does with animal rights and animal rescue. And it's like, this stuff has consequences for me. I didn't ask to participate in this series. You didn't make it an amalgamation character,
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which they very easily could.
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I mean, famously, he dated Daryl Hannah, but they could have made the choice of, like, as a lot of fictional portrayals of real life people, we'll do an amalgamation girlfriend character.
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Yeah. That's not literally named Daryl Hannah. That. Some combination of Sarah Jessica Parker and Daryl Hannah. And maybe not Madonna, but you get my drift.
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And she has this great line to end the op Ed where she brings everything back together. Birdcage liners, biodegrade online. Lies endure. May love and truth prevail.
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This poor woman, she's just trying to save some animals. Chill with Neil Young, her husband.
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Are they married?
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Yes. Okay. I'm glad that you didn't know this, because I didn't know this either. They got married in 2018.
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Oh.
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How did no one tell us that Daryl Hannah married Neil Young?
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Good for her.
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I know. I was like, that's so cute.
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I was gonna say she suffered enough. Okay. She had to endure Quentin Tarantino for Kill Bill part one and two.
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And this poor bitch, she's given us so much Steel Magnolias, Blade Runner, splash, all of those Helmut Newton photos.
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Ooh.
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You know, Anyway, good for her.
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Another person, a real life person, I guess, portrayed in Love Story would be Jack Schlossberg.
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He's absolutely portrayed in Love Story.
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No lines, but we see him running around in background scenes. He recently gave an interview to Mo Rocca for CBS Sunday Morning. He is running for the New York 12 congressional seat. And of course, he was asked about his thoughts on Ryan Murphy's Love Story and had this to say.
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You're not happy about this Ryan Murphy series about your Uncle John and his wife, Carolyn Bessette. Well, if you want to know someone who's never met anyone in my family knows nothing about us, talk to Ryan Murphy. I would just want people who do watch the show to watch it with one letter in mind. And that's A capital F for fiction. The guy knows nothing about what he's talking about.
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About.
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And he's making a ton of money on a grotesque display of someone else's life. I would hope that Mr. Murphy would donate some of the millions of dollars of profits that he's making to maybe some of the causes that John championed throughout his life. Justice. Maybe he would donate some of that money to the JFK library to help keep President Kennedy's memory alive. But he's not. He's trying. He's making money. This is not a documentary, and I'll
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leave it at that.
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Look, I get his point, but I do find it funny that the person who is catching strays from this is Ryan Murphy. Because Ryan Murphy thus far has not written an episode of Love Story. It is Connor Hines, the showrunner. To be fair, it's a Ryan Murphy production, and he did help develop the show, but he didn't have a hand, technically, in writing this fiction that Jack Schlossberg is accusing him of.
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Yeah, and he's getting more credit than he deserves, for better or for worse, for Love Story.
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Also, in Jack Schlossberg saying that this is fiction, does that mean he's watched the show? Or he just assumes that anything in the media about his family is fiction? I Googled this. I'm like, what were his thoughts about Nallie Portman and Jackie then?
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I wonder. I wonder. I doubt Carolyn would do that. And I understand his anger because, like, for me, it would stem from, like, protecting my mom. And he's like, okay, so my mom has lost her daughter in the last few months. She now has to deal with Love Story and, like, seen these billboards all over New York and shit. She has to deal with RFK's crazy ass being the most prominent Kennedy at this point, which is really up. And she has to deal with the Trump Kennedy center bullshit, which I imagine is incredibly triggering also.
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Yeah, I don't know if you watch the rest of the interview, but Jack does talk about how important his sister Tatiana was to him, how close they were, and just truly how devastating her death is. There is, however, another part of the interview I found interesting, which is Jack Schlossberg has created an online Persona, which is to be chronically online and to speak in that vernacular. And Morocca asks him a question about one particular meme that he posted where it is J.D. vance's wife holding one of their children, but it's Jack's face photoshopped on that child, insinuating that he's had a love child with J.D. vance's wife and Mo Rocca isn't asking the question in context of like, well, you have issues with Ryan Murphy talking about your uncle, but then you're doing these inappropriate memes. It was more just like, you know, that's kind of cringy. And he's like, well, you gotta treat propaganda with propaganda. But it's like those two things juxtapose feels like someone who can dish it out but can't take it.
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Well, I think more so that just doesn't sound that funny. But I have not seen this meme, so I can't no, you you are correct.
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It makes very little sense. The Photoshop is quite look, if you're
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chronically online, you can't constantly be self editing.
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anyway, can I talk about a few other points from this interview which I found fascinating?
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Sure. Which I did not watch. I just Saw that clip about Love Story.
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So the extended interview begins with Morocca asking him about his campaign slogan, which is believe in something again. And Morocca goes, what does that mean to you? And Jack answers, well, believe in something again. Which I don't think is a great answer if you're running for political office. There's also a part where he shows off a whiteboard of all of his ideas to Morocco. And it's like housing. We need more of it. Actors, nurses, gotta help them. You should be able to deduct your rent from your taxes, which. That is a good idea, and you should be able to do that.
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Oh, absolutely.
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But there's no explanation as to how he's going to do any of that. Like, he is incredibly exuberant in a way that it feels like someone that grew up being told that every idea they had was brilliant. And then it cuts to his parents in this interview, and they're like, go, Jack. We love him. And Mo Rock is like, you know, he doesn't have a campaign manager, like a campaign officer. You know, what do you think about that as someone running for political office? And they're like, we just trust him. He's going to be great.
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Well, when is this actual election? Like, when is this really ramping up?
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Oh, I don't know. November, probably. He also, because he's running for political office, had to disclose his financial earnings, which showed that in 2025, he had no earned income, which means he didn't have a job that gave him a 1099 or a W2.
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Right.
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He does, however, have four trust funds. One is the stake in the Martha's Vineyard family compound. I know that JFK Jr. When he passed away, he divvied up his estate worth a hundred million dollars to Caroline's children. And then it was also disclosed that he made nearly a million dollars in dividends and capital gains from an investment in the chip maker Nvidia in 2025.
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Wow. Lucky son of a bitch.
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Well, Chelsea, believe in something again.
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So, since we talked about Love Story last time, it has taken TikTok by storm. It has taken CEO Bigelow by storm.
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Yeah, I sent you a tweet over the weekend by a woman named Laura Namius. That said, CO Bigelow has been overrun by TikTok girlies seeking the Carolyn Bessette Kennedy headbands. Standing room only. It's mayhem in here.
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I kind of get it, though, because for that generation, I guess you wouldn't know who Carolyn Bessette was.
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Of course not. But it is funny how easily influenced people can be because the, you know, that is an institution that has been there forever. I sent you that photo. What's the east village Indian restaurant? Panna 2.
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Panna 2? Yeah.
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I sent you that photo that someone took over the weekend where there was a line for that restaurant down the street.
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That's funny because I don't think we even know if they went to Pana 2. Like, we know that they went to Odeon in Indoshine and shit. But I think that may have just been a location for the show.
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I 100% agree.
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See, I think that's cute. Like, people should go to Pana 2.
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But have you seen the commentary about women trying to dress like Carolyn Bessette where it's like, you think you're giving Carolyn Bessette, but you just look like Caroline Levitt?
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What? Like you're wearing a pair of tall boots and a pencil skirt or.
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Yeah, you're just wearing like a black boat neck shirt. There was also a JFK junior Lookalike contest in Washington Square Park. From the photos I saw, the offerings were quite sad. The Timothy Chalamet lookalike contest, this was not.
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They're all like JFK Jr. With fetal alcohol syndrome.
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To me, I'm surprised that Jack Schlossberg didn't show up as he, I think, came to prominence first in photos. Being with his mother in the last five years where people were like, holy, he looks like his uncle. But wouldn't that have been a great opportunity for a campaign event to have co opted the JFK junior Lookalike contest? I mean, even Timmy showed up to the Timothee Chalamet lookalike contest.
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I think he's wise to stay away from all that. But I also love that because people are getting into Carolyn Bessette. I've seen like tick tocks and reels about Jackie and about Lee Radswell in recent weeks. And I feel like Lee had the best style out of all of them.
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I agree.
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I want to talk a little bit about where this show has gone since we last talked about it. At the time that we're recording this, we have not yet seen episode eight.
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Yes, we have watched through the wedding.
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Yeah. I was really interested by the way that they handled the public fight in Washington Square park, because to me, like, that was the biggest deal when those photos came out and when that happened. But it seemed like they kind of minimized it a bit on the show, which surprised me. Not just because it was this massive scandal that played out in public, but because it was a documented incident of domestic violence.
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Yeah. I went back and listened to Once Upon a Time, which is the book that inspired this series, just to get her perspective. And the research that this author did about these moments depicted in episodes four through seven. And what's interesting is the writers have chosen to frame the fight about Carolyn's reluctance to marry JFK Jr. And Carolyn being upset that he's not protecting their relationship, when in reality, from multiple sources, the fight was actually about a wedding they had went to where the New York Times, I think it was the style editor, was cozying up to JFK Jr.
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C
I think the issue was that at a wedding of a friend, he was seated next to a New York Times editor, which Carolyn took as a slight to John.
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B
Right. But also at that point, people knew that they were probably heading towards marriage, and the writer was probably less wanting to fuck JFK Jr and more wanting the exclusive coverage of their wedding. And the real fight from multiple sources, was Carolyn being upset at people taking advantage of John.
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C
Right. But it's easy to make it about the engagement because we do see him take the ring off of her finger in those photos.
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B
And there was video. What I'm more fascinated about the series and in listening to the book that inspired the series are the things that they choose not to include. And they're specific details, but I feel like it would heighten the experience.
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D
There was a television show at the
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B
time called Day and Date that won the bidding war over the video rights. And they aired the fight in five parts on five consecutive nights, which. Could you imagine how brutalizing that is? Because they did not know there was a telephoto lens that had taken those photographs. So they went on with their lives for days before they knew that this moment had been documented.
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C
There's such messy, though, because they had this fight all over town, which we see in the episode. Like, it starts in the park and then it. They end up, I think, in SoHo or something. Like that part where, like, he's crying on the curb and she's just, like, screaming at him.
- [32:39]
B
Right. I assume probably near their apartment in Tribeca. But yes, they traverse quite a far distance. And yes, there was video that captured what is shown in the show when she tries to take their dog Friday back or walk away with their dog, you know, and that's when he tries to take the ring from her. He's like, you can't take my dog and my ring. I'm not gonna let you.
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C
They're so fucking messy. Like that is crazy. And if they're doing that in public, can you imagine what they were doing behind closed doors?
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B
You know what the fight reminded me of? Do you remember that absolutely insane Ms. Dior ad with Natalie Portman that is scored to see his chandelier?
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C
Yes.
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B
That has a vague domestic violence vibe to it, where it's like she pushes an unseen man and he's like, I love you. She's like, prove it.
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C
Oh yeah. It's so giving that energy. The other thing that I love is that like when they were in the park, in the middle of that fight, she literally like stops fighting with him and goes and bums a cigarette off of a stranger and then comes back and keeps fighting with him. That's some Elizabeth Wurtzel shit right there.
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B
I do love that people online are like, okay, what is the temperature on this day? Because she's wearing a sweater, he's wearing like windbreaker shorts. And someone went back and found the exact day in 1996 and it was like it was 65 degrees and mostly sunny.
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B
Can we discuss something else which episode four through seven really made me interrogate, which is Is JFK junior A good boyfriend?
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C
This version of JFK junior On the show, which I question how real this is. He sucks as a boyfriend, of course.
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B
Yeah. So in episode four, he finally starts dating Carolyn. He brings her to meet his sister Caroline, and he says, oh, it's a party. What he fails to mention is it's not just a party. It is a dinner party. A sit down dinner party for his sister's birthday.
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C
Nightmare scenario.
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B
That to me, yellow flag.
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C
But then not signing her up for breakfast.
- [36:12]
B
So let's go to. Yes. I don't know if it's episode five or six when he takes her to Hyannis Port, even before the breakfast thing. Right. They sit down for the first dinner with Ethel, who's mother of RFK Jr. Let's just put that out there. And Carolyn, understandably so, goes to sit next to her boyfriend. And then someone else at the table is like, no, couples aren't supposed to sit next to each other. So she goes, and there's some, you know, other ladies, other girlfriends, wives who are like, come sit by us. And then Ethel hits her with like a crazy Final Jeopardy esque geopolitical question.
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C
This is like a nightmare in law situation. Truly.
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B
And then JFK Jr. In the evening hits her with like, oh, yeah, everyone knows that whoever is farthest away from Ethel gets the hardest political questions. And it's like, you gotta tell her that.
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C
Well, also, his proposal was upsetting. The whole denying the engagement or the proposal publicly thing. Red flag.
- [37:23]
B
Oh, I thought you meant proposing to her on the boat.
- [37:27]
C
Oh, well, that was also a red flag. That was a very sad and awkward proposal.
- [37:32]
B
You don't watch the show. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. But they're.
- [37:36]
C
I have. I didn't watch every season, but I'm familiar enough.
- [37:40]
B
It's still going. Chelsea.
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C
Really? Yes. Wow.
- [37:45]
B
But there is an episode where they buy a boat and the Dennis character is like, this is great. He's talking to Mac and he's like, it's great. We're gonna get so many women. And, you know, they can't say no because of the implication. And Matt goes, what do you mean? What's the implication? And he's like, because that sounds sinister.
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D
He's like, no, no.
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B
Obviously, if the answer is no, it's no. But, you know, they're out to sea with two strange men. They have no options. The implication. And he's like, okay, this is really dark. That is all I think about. Like, the idea that he's proposing to her on a body of water, alone on a canoe. She can't really say no. Right? Because of the implication. True.
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C
But also, I feel like they're doing everything to show this couple, like, alone in water. Oh, anticipating the plane crash, especially in the wedding episode.
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B
Well, also, the Kennedys don't have the greatest track record with water either.
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C
No.
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D
But yes.
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B
Let's go back to the following morning pre proposal, when Carolyn wakes up at, I don't know, 9am A reasonable hour to wake up, I assume, at a vacation home on the weekend. And she's learned that she has missed breakfast because she did not sign up for it because one, her boyfriend didn't tell her there was a sign up, and two, her boyfriend didn't sign her up.
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C
Although, to be fair, it was at 7:30.
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B
Okay, this is the other thing I wanted to discuss. I am even pre baby. I've always been an early riser. But the two sign up times are 6:30am and 7:30am that is psychotic.
- [39:27]
C
Yeah, I'm happy to not eat, thanks.
- [39:30]
B
I mean, I understand having an early shift. Why can't it be 7 and 9?
- [39:35]
C
Well, these freaks probably have lunch at 11. So.
- [39:39]
B
This all reminds me of the early Prince Harry Meghan interviews where it became very clear that Prince Harry did not prepare Meghan at all as to what it would be like coming into the royal family. The customs. I'm reminded of the story that Megan tells of unexpectedly meeting the Queen for the first time and Prince Harry being like, great, so you're gonna have to curtsy. Like, do you have a good curtsy? And she's like, what?
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C
To be fair, I think if you're born into a freak show, you're not necessarily looking around and be like, holy all these freaks, you know?
- [40:16]
B
Someone who is glaringly missing from the show is Carol Radzwell, who was Anthony Radzwell's wife at the time. Because they present Carolyn in the series as an outsider who really cannot connect with people in the Kennedy family. And while that is true, the book Once Upon a Time and Carol Radzwell's memoir discusses the fact that her and Carolyn were fast friends. They had similar backgrounds. They both came from Italian families. They were outsiders, obviously, to the Kennedys did not grow up rich the way that the people who they married did. And people have wondered why Carol isn't in the series. And the reason seems to be the fear that Carol Radzwell would have sued. But that doesn't make any sense to me because why wouldn't anyone else sue? I mean, if anyone has a case to sue for defamation, it's Darryl Hannah.
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C
Yeah. Of course. Well, I think they also probably wanted to draw a sharp contrast between the Kennedy world and Carolyn's world. And they depict Carolyn's social circle as being fashion designers. Narciso, who is sort of upgraded to a bigger character in these past episodes. Gordon Henderson, Calvin Klein.
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B
I love that people are discovering the actor Alessandra Novello seemingly for the first time. They're like, who is this guy? He's great as Calvin Klein. And then there's like a further revelation when people are like, he's the dad of the son that's not Patrick Schwarzenegger
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D
in the latest White Lotus series.
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C
Yes, he is.
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B
Shall we get into the wedding? Sure.
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C
From all accounts, the wedding was worse than it was depicted on this show for the guests.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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C
Who were eaten alive by bugs and had no access to air conditioning.
- [42:14]
B
Yeah. You know what? That was a guest list I would have been fine to have been left off of.
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C
But, like, it fully made me cry, the whole thing, really. Yeah. It's like haunting. Especially the scene when they walk out of the chapel and you see the flash from the famous photo. I like the idea that the photographer only took one photo of them leaving the church, but haunting. Spooky.
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B
Can we discuss the discrepancies of the wedding dress, how it's depicted on the show, what may have really happened?
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C
Sure. I don't know much about this, so you tell me.
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B
Well, I mean, obviously, as we see in the show, Carolyn does quick Calvin Klein. That's something that really happened before she got married to JFK Jr. Oh, another thing that came from the book that isn't depicted so directly in the series was that around the time, right before she got married, there's a change in Carolyn where her hair gets blonder, her eyebrows get thinner. Obviously we see this in Sarah Pidgeon, but the way that it's described in the book was this was a choice that Carolyn made to kind of make herself in the mold of what you thought a Kennedy wife would be.
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C
Nordic looking.
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B
This is what they say in the book. Obviously in the show it is a little more obvious. You know, she quits her job. Her mom played by Constance Zimmer.
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C
Love it.
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B
Which, like, I recognize that voice, but it's like, oh, Jesus Christ, we're making Constant Zimmer Someone's 30 something year old mother. Okay.
- [43:58]
C
Speaking of which, sorry to interrupt, but have you heard that Kate Winslet is playing Gollum's grandmother in what? I know this seems like something that would be like a horrible joke on difficult people or something about women over 40 being cast in roles in a fucking Lord of the Rings movie. What do you mean? Wait, hold on.
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B
We're doing a Gollum prequel?
- [44:23]
C
Yes. She's playing Gollum's grandmother in a movie called the Hunt for Gollum. She's the matriarch of a hobbit clan.
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B
Honestly, this kind of makes sense. Just because she has mocap experience, because she was in one of the Avatar movies, I assume they are going to be doing Grandma Gollum in mo cap like they did with Andy Serkis.
- [44:48]
C
Nothing about this makes sense. And this can't be like, would this be Peter Jackson again? Because obviously they work together with Heavenly Creatures.
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B
Look, I know I'm called a human IMDb, but I don't know, bitch, you tell me.
- [45:04]
C
This poor woman. It's literally like the joke about Goldie Hawn in the First Wives Club.
- [45:09]
B
You think Kate Winslet read the script and she's like, oh, I'm Gollum's daughter. And they're like, no, you're Gollum's grandmother.
- [45:16]
C
She's like, fuck, I'm not Gollum's wife.
- [45:18]
B
Okay, back to Love Story. I couldn't find any concrete information as to whether Calvin Klein designed a dress for Carolyn. We do show that he, after she quits, he just opens a file drawer and looks longingly at a sketch that
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C
was like, maybe the campiest thing on this entire show thus far.
- [45:42]
B
I mean, look, I'm sure Calvin Klein was bummed not to have designed the wedding dress that became the wedding dress of that decade, the last 25 years, of course. So something that's always bumped me about Carolyn Bessette's Narciso Rodriguez designed wedding dress is that it's not very Narciso like.
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C
Well, I mean, kind of. Yeah.
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B
I just mean that it's more bias cut and Galliano esque. And I found this woman, Rosemarie Terrazzio, who wrote JFK Jr. An intimate oral History. She was saying to People magazine that her dress was a combination of things that she liked. I think she had seen a bias cut dress of John Galliano. She definitely wanted something bias cut. And then in a recent Cut article, Narciso Rodriguez said that the dress came from conversations between him and Carolyn, but he was in Paris at the time and had befriended Azzedine Alaia, who he calls the bias cut dress master and had brought the dress to Azzedine who had like, shifted some seams over.
- [46:54]
C
Wow, that's fascinating.
- [46:55]
B
So can we talk about the invented. The dress won't fit Carolyn, which is true she couldn't get into the dress. But the way that it's depicted in this episode is as if the character of Narciso Rodriguez made a zipper.
- [47:11]
C
I interpreted it like he had to let out an entire side seam and then sew her in it or something, rather than just putting a piece of cloth over her face and having her step into it.
- [47:22]
B
So that's the interesting thing. The Cut did an interview with Narciso Rodriguez where he talks about this and he's like, I've heard all manner of people were in that room trying to get the dress on her. In reality, it was just Carolyn and me in the bathroom getting the dress on. And then Town and Country did an interview with Gordon Henderson, who was her friend and a prominent fashion designer. We can get more into him in a second. But in this Town and Country interview, he's like, I was too busy to design her wedding dress, but I did plan her entire wedding. Which I'm like, that sounds like cope. You didn't have enough time to design her wedding dress because of your design commitments, which completely makes sense. But somehow you design John suit, all those groomsmen suit pursuits and you help plan the wedding. But fine. According to this Town and Country interview, he claims he was the one that got the dress over her head by putting a scarf over her face and getting the dress on.
- [48:19]
C
Right. Which is just what anyone would do. I'm surprised the dress was in such good shape. Just knowing that she had to get ready far away from where they actually got married. And this is not like a sprinter van situation.
- [48:33]
B
No, she basically went off roading in a Jeep Wrangler to get to the church.
- [48:38]
C
But of course, it being Carolyn Bessette. Like she just wouldn't look like she looked perfect.
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B
And also if you wonder where Carolyn's wedding dress is now, this is from the John and Carolyn subreddit, a post from maybe a year ago that predates the series where someone asks, I guess Carol Radzwell wear the dresses. And Carol Radzwell said, Narciso still has it.
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C
That's cool.
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D
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any who shall we move on to Fashion Month?
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B
Yes, Paris Fashion Week is upon us. Was upon us, mercifully, has just ended.
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C
Yeah, it is no longer upon us to clarify.
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B
So let's move into. We did this last week. There were a lot of fashion designer debuts last season, which means we've got more sophomore collections in Paris Fashion Week. Shall we start with the Balenciaga x Euphoria Fashion show?
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C
Stop so upsetting. I mean, this show upset me for a lot of reasons, but mostly because I think that Pier Paulo is a great designer and watching him compromise his vision to appease the existing Balenciaga customer who doesn't even want this stuff is deeply sad to me.
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B
Yeah, this collection also made me very sad. For those who don't know what we're talking about, this Balenciaga collection was a collaboration with Sam Levinson in conjunction for season three of Euphoria, which featured black screens with images of the characters projected and hoodies with characters I could not make out. These characters were. But I do know it had phrases like you gotta have faith.
- [52:13]
C
Yeah, it was like these photo prints that they weren't just on hoodies. They were also on coats, like other kinds of pieces. But to me, it looked like old undercover.
- [52:24]
B
Well, that's the thing. It's like Alessandro Michelley is doing the thing that he did at Gucci. At Valentino, Demna really does seem to be interrogating what Gucci means to him and what Gucci means to others. And Pierre Paulo just seems to be having an identity crisis.
- [52:42]
C
Well, I feel like he is under pressure to still sell hoodies and motorcycle bags and shit.
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B
I guess I didn't think he would be this adherent to what Demna did at Balenciaga because his collections of Valentino, Beautiful. Not my thing, but exquisite. But he does seem to be trapped between Demna's shadow and then also he does seem to be doing Pierre Paolo interpretations of Cristobal Balenciaga's work.
- [53:15]
C
Work which he's been doing for years anyway.
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B
But the euphoria thing was like, oh, we didn't need this element added in.
- [53:23]
C
But half of it is, like, the staging, the venue, the fact that there's so much black in this collection, the fact that the makeup is kind of gothy. Here's the thing. It's like we have so many goth designers already. It's like you can't pretend to be a goth if you're not a goth, you know, like, it just doesn't work. Like, he is known for making these beautiful mid century inspired ball gowns in every color of the rainbow. Like, this is a man that did a show that was entirely pink voluntarily, because that's who he is, you know,
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B
which would make it seem like he is well suited to design at Balenciaga. The true, you know, original understanding of that fashion house.
- [54:10]
C
They should have just done a hard pivot. Yeah, they should have just said, I'm sorry, existing Balenciaga customer. You go shop somewhere else. This is not what we're doing anymore.
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B
This collection is also a gross overestimation about how impactful season three of Euphoria is to people.
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C
So true. Also, it's just like, oh, my God, these bags are atrocious. And I feel like that was always like, whether or not you liked the clothes and stuff. Like, there were always a lot of very traditional, nice handbags that were produced that could appeal to a wide range of people. Like the Bel Air bag or something. Like any, like, basic rich could buy that and look normal. Like, you don't have to be an edgy person necessarily. But these bags that he's doing, like, structured purple bags with gold hardware.
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B
If Aiden presented this to Carrie. She would run off and. And throw up.
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C
Okay, next sophomore collection, John Paul Gaultier. I'm giving this the award for most improved. Last season was a disaster. This season, I think, made a solid case for him getting this job to begin with. With. But damn, this is a crazy way to look. Can you imagine being like, out in these streets dressed as a slutty marionette or. Actually, I don't even think that was a marionette. I think it was like, it was.
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B
It's a wooden doll.
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C
Those wooden dolls that, like, you use when you're a first year art student to like, do figure drawing to make your Kurokis. Yeah. Like, I think that's what that was.
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B
Yeah. Some might say that this should have been Duran Lanting's debut collection for Gaultier because I feel like it's a better fusion of his design ethos overlaid onto Gaultier's house codes. Like, that look that had was like pinstripe pants and then a very structured corseted blazer, but made out of puffer material that felt like that would sell quite well. There was also, I think it was Alex Kasani that was wearing the dress that had a screen print image of Marlena Dietrich smoking.
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C
It's like, okay, was that Marlena Dietrich? I was trying to figure that out because I thought it was Greta Garbo at first, but it was like a warped black and white still. Either would make sense, honestly. And that dress was incredible. And I also love how it literally had smoke coming out of the back of it. Like literal smoke, or I don't know if it was dry ice or what. And there were other looks where he did that too, where he said he was like, I was just going for the vibe of like a western where someone walks in a room and there's like a cloud of smoke trailing behind them. But I love that he just did that.
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B
In his interviews. He said that Marlene and Dietrich wasn't inspiration. So that's why I assume it's Marlene and Dietrich on the dress.
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C
That would make sense because I think Gaultier did Marlene and Dietrich. Gorgeous. Like, photo print stuff back in the day. I saw some of that at an auction recently and I'm very jealous of whoever bought it.
- [57:17]
B
But yeah, there are some kooky looks that. That could impossibly be worn anywhere. But an editorial, like the look we were describing, which is it boggles the mind when you see it because it's, I assume, screen printed wooden legs and body. But then there's also a bikini and Garters on it.
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C
It's an insane way to look. It's, like, impossible for me to even imagine, like, celebrities in these clothes, except for maybe, like, Tilda Swinton in a couple of the gowns or something.
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B
We should also say, for those who have not seen this collection, when we're describing this wooden doll look, it is accessorized with a hazmat hat, basically. I don't know how else to explain it.
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C
I don't know how to explain it, but there was a big exhibition about Leigh Bowery at the Tate Modern recently, and I can really see his influence in this also, because he, you know, modified his own body in this very specific, very bulbous way. But there was a sense of humor behind it. And I feel like Duran has that sense of humor, and so does Gaultier. Like, that was such a big part of that brand. It wasn't just about doing something that was edgy or sexually provocative. There was, like, this real, like, childlike kind of glee to it. So even though these clothes, to me, look very different than anything that Gaultier ever did, I feel like the thought process behind it is similar.
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B
I mean, I almost appreciate his first collection for Gaultier more especially.
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C
Oh, I'm not going that far.
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B
Well, just in the sense that it's like, he shocked the shit out of people so much that, like, with this collection, it's like, okay, all right. This is stuff that I recognize.
- [59:12]
C
Well, this is why we should, like, give people time to settle into these brands and figure it out. It's not normal to come into a new job and have everything figured out on day one. Okay, Loewe.
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B
I feel like Jack and Lazarus time at Loewe is the fashion equivalent of how Stella got her groove back. You know, grinding it out in New York for two plus decades, trying to keep their independent brand afloat, made them design clothing that is, as we have noted, we're not sure who it was for. And really all they needed was some LVMH capital and a Spanish leather goods legacy house, and boom, it's been a design renaissance for them.
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C
Well, yeah, it's really nice to see them have the production capabilities, certainly. Although it does seem to be caught in this weird space for me where because they've come into Loewe and because of everything that Jonathan Anderson did there, they're doing stuff that is, like, deliberately weird, right? Like these inflatable pieces, these rubberized pieces, stuff like that. But also, everything does feel more commercial, more merchandise, more just, like, ready to go into the store, like, today, right? And I looked at the Loewe website to see, like, the stuff from the last show, and things have definitely become a lot less weird for that brand. Although Jack and Lazaro now have to do shit, like design, like, weird bag charms and shit, which they were never doing before.
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B
Right. And the Loewe sneaker, which is never going away.
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C
Yeah.
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B
But I like the first few looks, and it was throughout the entire show those slip dresses that were cast in latex.
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C
Yeah. I don't know. I think it's an upgrade for them, but a downgrade for Loewe personally. But also the logo redesign is a sensitive topic for me.
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B
Oh, okay. Should I ask you about it or should we move on?
- [61:14]
C
Well, have you seen it?
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B
Yeah. You know what's better than one L? Two L's?
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C
No. You know what's worse than four L's? Two L's? I don't know. To me, like, the Loewe logo is like the best luxury logo ever. You know, like that in the YSL logo for me.
- [61:32]
B
Are we saying that even the Loewe logo went on a semi glue tied?
- [61:36]
C
It did. It's half its size. And look, even half of the Loewe logo is still better than 99% of designer logos. I'm not saying this looks bad. Like, it doesn't look bad. I just, like, I feel like they had a perfect logo and they changed it for the sake of change, for the sake of doing their own thing. Even if maybe that wasn't necessarily creatively the best decision. Like, we understand why Jonathan Anderson changed the Dior logo back, because the Dior logo currently looked cheap and looked like. And looked like Zara. So it's like that is a situation where it's like they didn't have a choice about changing the logo. Right. This was like a choice.
- [62:17]
B
I mean, it's not as bad as when Burberry changed their logo.
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C
True.
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B
Do you want to get into the Mugler collection?
- [62:25]
C
Not sold on this. Nope.
- [62:27]
B
Yeah, it's never a great sign when I have to go back and look up what Thierry Mugler collections of the 80s and 90s look like to remember what Mugler was.
- [62:37]
C
I don't even think it, like, has to, like, look like Thierry Mugler. But again, like what I was saying about Gautier, it's like there has to be some, like, parallel thinking or something.
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B
Right.
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C
And to me, the colors and the silhouettes of the this collection reminded me more of Claude Montana, who was like Thierry Mugler's, like, biggest competitor. Mugler's Wario but more than anything, it reminds me of recent Louis Vuitton and Balmain shows who have similarly embraced this, like, cunty, deliberately ugly 80s look.
- [63:13]
B
Right. You know, it's never a good sign. Cause I always go into the Vogue Runway reviews, which are always is positive. Like, you are never going to find a negative review.
- [63:25]
C
Well, you have to up so hard to get a negative review.
- [63:29]
B
Well, this is the closest I think it comes on Vogue Runway, the person who wrote the review said. Whether Mugler's base will flock to stir up pants held in place by towering stilettos remains to be seen. Harder to picture in the street was a boxy number such as the leather top tool to look like, like automobile upholstery. A coating glossy leather with a shearling lining, and a leather overcoat with jutting shoulders were recognizably Mugler. Those will likely connect. Those are the words of Tig Paris, trying her hardest to try to put a lipstick on a pig of a collection.
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C
Well, for me, it's like some of this stuff I do appreciate visually, like, as a look or more like as like costume design or something, but I just. Just don't know how it could translate to a person in the real world. And also, I feel like you would have to be like, a hundred feet tall to wear any of this stuff. Like, truly, you'd have to be like Ms. J to wear this.
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B
Right. It doesn't work with Demna's new sizing ideas. Short and powerful.
- [64:35]
C
No, this is not for the short and powerful. Okay. Chanel. This is second Ready to Wear collection. Third. Wait, no, he's done fourth collection. Fourth collection? Yeah, fourth collection.
- [64:49]
B
He did the New York show. He did one Ready to Wear one Haute couture. So this is his second Ready to Wear show.
- [64:55]
C
Right.
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B
And his work continues to be exquisite.
- [64:59]
C
Yeah, he did the impossible, which was to make that Miu Miu micro mini skirt wearable.
- [65:05]
B
I was gonna say the drop waist is already an exaggerated silhouette, but. But he exaggerated it so much that he created micro pleated skirts for your knees.
- [65:16]
C
Yeah, I like the idea that all these bitches have, like, the longest torso and, like, the tiniest, stubbiest little legs. It looks chic.
- [65:23]
B
But again, he seems to be, as he has said, Mantu Blasi continues to be more interested in Coco Chanel, the woman herself, how she dressed, her idea of the Chanel woman rather than Karl Lagerfeld's time at Chanel.
- [65:39]
C
Yeah, he's pushing a much more wearable, modest silhouette. And as someone with a long torso and an indecipherable waist to hip ratio. I appreciate this. I'm ready for the drop waist to be back.
- [65:53]
B
I did enjoy seeing that he continues to push the boundaries of materials. This time we saw the classic Chanel jacket, but in chainmail. Can't imagine what the price tag of that is going to be.
- [66:06]
C
Oh, Lord. Yeah, these rich ladies are about to look good.
- [66:11]
B
I was happy to see that instead of designing wholly new bags and shoes for this ready to wear collection, it seemed to be just pushing forward, especially in the shoes. That kind of croc pattern that he had done in his first ready to wear collection, which, if any, of the TikTok videos I watched over the weekend of people breathlessly buying Matu Blasi's first Chanel collection. These are bestsellers and probably sold out at this point.
- [66:41]
C
Oh, I'm sure.
- [66:42]
B
And also age diversity with the models. Always love to see it.
- [66:46]
C
Oh, yeah. I continue to appreciate the cast aid. I love that Stephanie Cavalli opened the show. She is a 50 year old woman with curly hair, visible gray hair, half Caribbean, half Italian. And the remarkable thing is that her modeling career only took off in her late 40s, you know, and now she's opened two consecutive Chanel shows.
- [67:12]
B
So you're saying there's still time for
- [67:13]
C
me, Chelsea, there's still time for us? No, but it's very cool to see her. It's major. Okay, moving on to Louis Vuitton, the other big show. I've come to a place of acceptance around the fact that I will never understand what is happening at Louis Vuitton and who it is for. And this show contains some of the most baffling clothing I've seen from him yet. Like, shit that I barely even have the vocabulary to describe. Even if you're the type of woman that wants to wear a shear lean tricorn hat, would you want to wear it with a plaid miniskirt and a plaid crop top? I get that the Runway is a fantasy, but like, who has these kinds of fantasies?
- [67:55]
B
I mean, it felt like he was deeply inspired by baton ambassador Emma Stone's Academy Award nominated film, Begonia. Although would you be surprised to learn that the moss covered quote, neo landscape was designed by the Severance production designer?
- [68:13]
C
Oh, wow.
- [68:14]
B
Which is why it kind of feels severancy.
- [68:17]
C
Also, the first looks were very surprising to me, which were these, these very extreme sculptural capes with these dramatic peaked shoulders that was much closer to like a Rick Owens silhouette or perhaps a Lady Gaga silhouette. That's what that Reminded me of. Although I did appreciate the series of dresses that followed, which was a very unsubtle throwback to one of his Balenciaga collections.
- [68:46]
B
Look, it's obviously for someone. It's not for us. Best of luck to Emma Stone and Jennifer Connelly.
- [68:55]
C
Well, I feel like one of them will end up wearing one of the last two dresses to the Oscars, which were really beautiful, I thought.
- [69:04]
B
Shall we put money on polymarket? Is that what it's called?
- [69:07]
C
Yeah, I'm putting money on Emma Stone wearing one of those.
- [69:10]
B
I bet no one has opened up that bet. Is that how polymarket works? Could we, like, start a bed, see if people will get in on Emma Stone wearing one of the two last looks at the Louis Vuitton show?
- [69:23]
C
We could, Although I don't know if I want to, like, have another addiction.
- [69:27]
B
And also, we don't support gambling.
- [69:30]
C
Speak for yourself.
- [69:32]
B
Okay.
- [69:32]
C
As someone that's hit the Sex and the City slot machine once or twice in my day.
- [69:37]
B
Oh, my God. Remember when we went to Vegas and that's all we were searching for? It was so hard to find a Sex in the City slot machine.
- [69:45]
C
Did we find one? I don't even remember.
- [69:47]
B
We didn't. Not that time. I feel like you did when you went to a casino up in Humboldt or something.
- [69:53]
C
They used to have one, but they got rid of it. They also used to have one at the Hooters Hotel in Vegas. Why? I know that. Do not ask.
- [70:02]
B
This is an aside, but whatever. When we first started doing merch, I looked into what HBO had trademarked in regards to Sex in the City. Because I was like, I'm sure they've trademarked the phrase. I couldn't help but wonder. Nope. But do you know what they trademarked? Slot machines.
- [70:18]
C
Yeah, they trademarked the weirdest shit. Truly. Also, I want to do a come to garcon check in, because I do feel like this was a better than average season for the trio of their brands that shows at Paris Fashion Week.
- [70:33]
B
I was gonna ask you, in regards to the comb show, on the seasonal depression scale, how much WellButrin should this comb collection be taking?
- [70:44]
C
I mean, all of these collections are designed by deeply sad people. You'd have to be.
- [70:50]
B
Yeah, I mean, other than the parade of pink dresses in the middle of this collection, it was just a series of very calm, black, sculptural sleep paralysis demons.
- [71:01]
C
Yeah. But to me, the section of pink dresses in the middle of that show was, like, some of my favorite stuff that they've designed in ages. Like I feel like the first of the pink dresses. Like, I could actually imagine a person wearing that. That like an actress or something.
- [71:16]
B
And honestly, that's the highest compliment for a comb show.
- [71:19]
C
Yeah. Although I don't think that they loaned to anyone ever. Like, the last time I can remember that happening was Rihanna at the Met gala. They used to, though. I remember Lori Petty told me once that they loaned to her for, like, back in the day. Like, she wore comme to garcon at the Tank Girl premiere.
- [71:39]
B
Some celebrity it up for everyone else. That is what that means. Totally not Lori Petty.
- [71:46]
C
Definitely not Lori.
- [71:47]
B
Blessedly, There were only 27 looks, because I don't think my psyche could have handled any more spooky dresses and thorny headdresses.
- [71:57]
C
No, see, I. I love that shit. I know I've, like, talked in the past. Like, I do wish there were more wearable clothes mixed in, but that's what we got from noir K, Nina Mia, essentially, who had a show that included both. Both, like, the stuff that, like, you will actually see in Dover Street Market and the insane sculptural stuff. With that show, there were some really crazy wearable sculptures. Like the one that basically looked like a cage of black calla lilies.
- [72:28]
B
Yeah. Why am I bitching? That comb was disturbing. Like, the comb collection looks like a Disney Channel movie compared to this collection.
- [72:37]
C
Yeah. Because it also had terrifying hair art where it was like, the hair looks like a bat with rabies or like a squirrel eating an acorn or some. But I loved that. And I loved Junya also. I thought that was solid. Particularly the opening look that Irina Shake wore. Although I loved reading Kathy Horn's take on this. She was like, why are these women wearing literal garbage? Like, it did have a very, like, Mike Kelly thrift store quality to it. Also, slight digression, but I love that they're forcing Kathy Horn to read her reviews out loud so that the cut can make audiograms from them.
- [73:22]
B
Yes. I sent you this because I always like to keep abreast of what kind of fashion media, especially fashion media filtered through social media, is done. And yes, they have forced Kathy Horn, I assume, threatening her corporate Amex or something if she doesn't record these audiograms
- [73:45]
C
because they sound like there's a gun to her head or the way we
- [73:50]
B
do when we do spawn con.
- [73:51]
C
Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if I like that she's forced to do that, but I certainly find it funny whenever these audiograms come up in my feed.
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B
Well, unlike Vanessa Friedman, who the New York Times has clearly been like, you're going on camera. Cathy Horne was like, I'm not pointing an iPhone in my face. Okay, I will go into a recording studio and read my article and you can clip it out and make it an audiogram. But I am not here for your content. The cut. No, she's not cut to next season. She's doing videos.
- [74:25]
C
So in other dark and spooky news, we got some washed up rock stars on the Runway at Paris Fashion Week. We got Billy Idol at Andemulum Easter.
- [74:40]
B
I'm gonna be honest, Chelsea. When I first saw that photo, I did think it was Jane lynch pretending to be Sting.
- [74:46]
C
I can see how it has that vibe. To me, that was like a very strange choice. Mostly because I can't imagine Andem Eula Meester herself ever listening to very corporate, like, pop rock like Billy Idol. It's kind of like the opposite of what she stands for. And I think Billy Idol was in a Gaultier show. That to me makes more sense because he's so like pop and a mule Meester. I just think of like Patti Smith and like, if they had PJ Harvey in the show, I would be like, oh, that's like some real like, like ognd shit. But this, I was just kind of like, why? But that's my read. But, you know, much cuter, much less fucked up than Marilyn Manson at Enfant Riche diprime.
- [75:34]
B
Why was my first thought and my second thought, and I'm not proud of it, is, oh, he clearly went on Ozempic.
- [75:42]
C
I know everyone's talking about how offensive this is. No one's talking about the fact that this was also an Ozempic reveal because we haven't seen Marilyn Manson since when Kanye was doing those listening parties in stadiums.
- [75:56]
B
Yeah, I'm trying to think of the
- [75:58]
C
last time, like, that's the last time I saw him for sure. I mean, apart from in that HBO documentary about all of his victims. But he wasn't like, interviewed or for that. There was just like some recent footage of him in it.
- [76:14]
B
Well, I was like, he looked. Looks like himself from 20 years ago. And then when I went to go google him, which I guess this would be, the reason he showed up in a fashion show is he is touring because it is the 25th anniversary of Antichrist Superstar.
- [76:31]
C
Wow, Time flies. I'm not surprised that this particular brand did this at all, because they are not above this kind of shit. This is the same brand that made sweaters that said, Columbine. And when you think about it, this is kind of an extension of that in the sense that Marilyn Manson was very much blamed for Columbine.
- [76:55]
B
And as much as I hate to give him this, he is the best part of Michael Moore's bowling for Columbine.
- [77:02]
C
True. But, you know, he also did sexually assault and torture multiple women, who I am inclined to believe, especially after watching that HBO series, which. Which we didn't even talk about on the podcast because it was just too dark, honestly.
- [77:19]
B
Yeah. I don't love that he is coming back into the mainstream, especially because there's
- [77:24]
D
still this narrative post MeToo movement of,
- [77:27]
B
like, men had their careers and lives ruined. It's like, really? Because Marilyn Manson's still touring. He's in a fashion show. It was disappointing to see Billy Corgan and Courtney Love at Marilyn Manson's recent birthday.
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D
And to hear that Dita Von Teese was also there.
- [77:47]
C
Yeah. Not my favorite. I think what's more surprising to me is, like, just the amount of fashion people that cover this and fashion magazines
- [77:58]
B
that covered this without context and commentary of his problematic past.
- [78:05]
C
Right. And then it came on International Women's Day, which added another layer of, oh,
- [78:11]
B
I didn't even know that.
- [78:12]
C
Yeah. And was that also the day that
- [78:14]
B
the Harvey Weinstein, oh, Hollywood Reporter interview, which I read.
- [78:20]
C
Yeah, of course. I don't think they should have done it. Although if you do want to hear about how sad his life is like, it is a insightful read in that regard.
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B
Yeah. And I watched the interview of the Hollywood Reporter editor of his reasons why. And it's mostly because he himself was an editor, or I think he was editorial director at Talk.
- [78:47]
C
Yeah.
- [78:47]
B
Remember Talk Magazine? Everybody's talking about George because of Love Story. Not enough people are talking about Talk Magazine.
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C
I don't know how much we should be talking about Talk magazine as someone that also lived through Talk Magazine because
- [79:00]
B
it was a magazine backed by Harvey Weinstein. We should explain. Anyway, moving on. Chapel Roan was also at Fashion Week.
- [79:08]
C
Chapel Roan was very present at Fashion Week. She went to a lot of shows, more than is typical for a famous person of her stature.
- [79:19]
B
Very present. But then also, did you see that video where she's filming herself filming the paparazzi? Because she's upset that they're following her, of course. Even though she's going to five different fashion shows, which, by the way, famous. Terrible. The paparazzi are disgusting vultures. Of course. But for those who haven't seen the video, I mean, she just. She's coming off like a Karen because she's filming herself in a selfie style video. Well, by the way, no one around her understands what's going on. Like there's a guy that just wants her autograph. The van that I'm sure she was going to get into is right in front of her and she's talking about how they won't leave her alone. Now. If she hadn't put on this full display and just gotten into the van, it would have been over.
- [80:11]
C
Yeah. And now I feel like they might harass her more just to get a reaction out of her just because of how much traction this video has gotten. And to clarify, she wasn't going to a fashion show. She was like going out to dinner. But it's Paris Fashion Week. There's only so many like fancy ass hotels where celebrities stay in. Like you're going to like a show every single day. Like they are just going to camp out outside if that is what you are doing right.
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B
And photograph you as you leave and ask for autographs.
- [80:45]
C
I think the guy in the video, like people were saying he was a fan. I think he was an autograph hound, most likely. Yeah. I don't know. I'm kind of neutral on this video. I agree that it optically seems very Karen y. I don't think it benefits her to do stuff like that in public. It seems like the public is kind of turning on her or at least Twitter is. But also like, I can't imagine being hounded by paparazzi all the time. That would suck.
- [81:17]
B
She also could not not go to Fashion Week and go to five shows.
- [81:22]
C
Yeah, she actually can just record music and never leave her or not live a public life in that way. You know, that is a choice.
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B
So her public Persona just continues to puzzle me.
- [81:35]
C
Yeah.
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B
Having said that, I think she looked great at the Acne Studio show.
- [81:39]
C
Yeah, she looked great at all of these shows. I thought she looked amazing at the Vivienne Westwood show. That is like, like one of my favorite looks that she's ever done. Because like the front of the dress was a typical Westwood like corseted, historical pastiche type of look. And then the back, like completely exposed her ass and her legs and she has the right kind of ass for Westwood. It's like it's plump, it's pale. It doesn't look like it's been surgically altered or subjected to like, like a shit ton of Pilates. Like it's perfect. I'm. I'm not saying it's not like untoned like she is an incredible ass. I'm just saying it's to me like the correct ass for Westwood, which has been a more natural look historically.
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B
An ass forward look.
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C
An ass forward look, exactly.
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B
Shall we discuss your favorite genre of woman? Woman of a certain age which were out and proud at Paris Fashion Week.
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C
Yes. Oprah went to a lot of shows which is highly unusual for her. She'll usually do like a Ralph Lauren show here and there. She's done a Stella McCartney show in the past. She did go to Stella again. Stella Zimmerman, Chloe. I'm glad she ended up going to Chanel because I was kind of like, it's wild that she's only going to shows that have that look that Chloe and Zimmerman and Stella have. Like, to me those are like the closest brands to each other.
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B
A very bohemian look.
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C
Yeah. A very romantic look.
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B
So should we talk about the photo that caused a lot of controversy, which is specifically Oprah at the Chloe show in Chloe where she just looks, looked crazy thin.
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C
Yeah. Because she's wearing like tight high waisted Chloe flares like jeans and this cropped
- [83:41]
B
jacket, which there was something about the proportions of that outfit that did make her look crazy thin. Where if you look at her at Chanel and Zimmerman and Stella McCartney, she looks a little more normal. Now don't get me wrong, she's thin, she's lost weight. She's been very open about her use of, of Ozempic.
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C
To me, the discourse around Oprah just like annoyed me because it's like, can't this just have one moment of peace in her life ever? She's been like to hell and back with her body, everyone's feelings about her body, the public shaming that she's experienced. I just, I don't know.
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B
Yeah, I don't think that people understand that. Quite literally, for 40 years straight, she has been demonized about her weight, starting with her first appearance on the Tonight show when it was hosted by Joan Rivers filling in for Johnny Carson and Joan Rivers and Oprah got into this exchange.
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F
So how'd you gain the weight? I ate a lot. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You said £50. You shouldn't let that happen to you. Very dirty. You know what?
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C
No, I don't want to hear.
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F
Let me tell you this.
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B
Let me tell you something.
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F
Pretty door and you're single. You must lose the weight. I'm going to. You know what? We are now a.m. chicago.
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B
In Chicago.
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F
We're, we're starting a diet with Oprah.
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D
Grace.
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C
Yes.
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B
In conjunction with the Tribune So that
- [85:01]
F
I have been put under pressure to finally do it. Now I am trying to lose five pounds. When you come back with me in March, when I'm back and you lose 15, I'll lose five. Listen, that's the only way I'll do it. I'll keep the losing.
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B
And I'm not.
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F
I'll do it if you do it.
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C
You will? Yeah.
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B
It's a deal.
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F
It's a deal.
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C
I doubt that that is the first time that Oprah was criticized for her weight, but it certainly is a prime example of how people have treated her for years.
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B
Yeah. And there was the famous Oprah show where, I mean, you're the Oprah expert, but. Right. It was the season premiere of what, the 92 season where she comes back and she's lost all this weight and she's carrying the quote, unquote, fat and weight she lost. Right.
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C
And that was kind of a complicated thing because while Oprah is obviously a victim of diet culture, she then did end up perpetuating it with that episode. But the thing that I respect about her is that while she hasn't always been perfect, she has been having this conversation in public for a really long time, has admitted when she's been wrong. She's spoken extensively about the fact that she regrets the wagon fat incident, but, like, can you blame her for being driven to that point? And she lost that weight by going on a liquid diet for, I think, like, three months. Can you imagine how mentally traumatic doing that would be?
- [86:32]
B
So there's that. And then I feel like the next most public incident is Anna Wintour lightly suggesting, basically insisting that she needed to lose £20 if she wanted to be on the COVID of Vogue.
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C
Yes. Anna also pulled a Joan Rivers and was like, you know, we'll have you on the COVID but you really gotta lose that extra weight. And as I remember, like, half of the article was about her weight loss and her transformation for this Steven Meisel, I think, Steven Meisel shoot.
- [87:10]
B
And I think that that was a headline on the COVID where it was like, you know, amazing makeover.
- [87:18]
C
Yeah. Yeah. And look, it's like, I understand in a way why people are upset, because I get that celebrities have influence, and when scary, skinny, to put it in early aughts, tabloid terms, is the norm. Like, obviously, that does negatively impact society. And it is totally wild to see all of the most prominent faces of the body positivity movement lose so much weight in this way. But like I said, I just think we should give Oprah a pass on this one. Just let a live, you know, let her put on some skin tight Chloe jeans and fuck it up at the Chloe show.
- [87:59]
B
Yeah, let her and Gail live their best life.
- [88:03]
C
And again, you're not even like concerned about her health. You just think she's gotten so skinny that she is no longer attractive to
- [88:10]
B
you, which is dark or she's no longer relatable.
- [88:16]
C
Well, there's that also, which again, I get. Oprah's been in the trenches with the every woman for years around this stuff.
- [88:24]
B
Moving on. Brooke Shields was also at the Chloe show.
- [88:27]
C
Yeah. There was like a video that went around of Tamina Kamali, the Chloe designer, showing her the mood board. And it was like photos of her in Pretty Baby. And I was just like, that must be so fucking weird to be Brooke Shields, you know, like, what a trip.
- [88:46]
B
Yeah. Did she not watch the Brooke Shields documentary? Was it called Pretty Baby?
- [88:52]
C
Yeah. And I think, you know, Brooke Shields herself has a complicated relationship with Pretty Baby. But it just must be weird seeing photos of you as a child playing a sex worker.
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B
Yeah, I'm gonna use a possibly politically incorrect phrase, but it's accurate. The most accurate. She's a baby prostitute. She looks like a baby prostitute.
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C
Yeah. But, you know, the collection itself, not very baby prostitute. I can see maybe where like the hair or something came into play. But to me, the Chloe collection itself was more like in the Kate Bush
- [89:30]
B
sort of Little House on the Prairie,
- [89:33]
C
Christine McVie, like a late 70s into the early 80s kind of, which was a deeply weird time in fashion.
- [89:43]
B
But is your vibe, I mean, you love Christy McPhee?
- [89:46]
C
No, of course I have appreciation for that time period. And I do think that she's, generally speaking, doing a good job at Chloe.
- [89:55]
B
Oh, yeah. I mean, it is for a very specific person, but she is catering to
- [89:59]
C
that person and she's offering something different, a very different look than a lot of other designers at Paris Fashion Week. So good for her.
- [90:08]
B
In case people can hear you. What are you drinking, by the way?
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C
Oh, just like a kombucha. Sorry. Oh, also as a digression, did you see Chloe 70's Instagram post about this Chloe sweater that Chloe is now manufacturing that is like based on a sweater that she had from childhood.
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Right.
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That she was famously photographed in this issue of Self Service that I have somewhere. I think it was the all Chloe issue of self service and Chloe 70 was wearing a cardigan that just said Chloe on it. They basically just copied it and are now selling it.
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B
Less of a cardigan, more of a like a crew Neck sweater.
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C
Yeah, they turned it into, like, a. A pullover.
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But she didn't seem mad about it.
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C
No, I wouldn't be mad about it either. It's just, like, a very niche reference.
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B
I feel like this dovetails nicely into the Miu Miu show, of which Chloe, 70, was one of the models.
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C
She was one of the models. But I saw this amazing tweet that was, like, a photo of her in that show, and it said she looks like Shamika told her that she had potential. And it's so true. Like, it looks like how Fiona Apple looks like today or like, maybe like, 10 years ago or something.
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Her now her.
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C
Her look in this show.
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B
Right.
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C
Just the way that they styled her and her glasses and stuff.
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B
Yeah. I mean, the Mew Mew is Mew Mewing. Like, we seem to be back to an earlier era of Mew Mew that was grungier, sportier, minimalist in a more utilitarian way.
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C
Yeah, you need all those nylon pieces with the pockets.
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B
And I was clicking through the show, and I got to the very last look, and I went, is that Jillian Anders closing the show? And it was.
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C
Yeah. Who? Like Chloe sevy and Chris McMenamy. Like, all kind of faces of the 90s. But I thought the Gillian Anderson look and the Kristen McMenamy look were so interesting because they were in these little jeweled mini dresses, which is the most classic Miu Miu dress historically. And it kind of did optically read as, like, remember that girl that, like, bought those, like, jeweled mini dresses with the cats on them, like, 20 years ago? Like, this is her today. Maybe that wasn't 20 years ago. Maybe that was more like 15.
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B
But it was. But it's very clear that the kind of whimsical Lula magazine era of Mew Mew is gone. She might come back.
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C
It was back in those looks. I would say that was the closest thing that they've done to that in a long time.
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B
Sure.
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Because that's, like, pre. The sort of lot of Volkova makeover. That's just what I associated Miu Miu as being, like for years. But, yeah, fun to see those women in the show. And I do think that those boots are gonna be huge.
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B
Of course, Miu Miu accessories are always successful. I continue to wonder who can afford this clothing, but. But, hey, that's just me.
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C
So in other Women of a Certain Age news, we didn't mention this, but there were some good women of a certain age in attendance at the Louis show. We got an appearance by Sandra Bernhard. We got an appearance by Sissy Spacek,
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B
which I read somewhere this was her first ever fashion show that she had attended.
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C
Did anyone fact check that though? Is it really? I don't know.
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Seems correct.
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C
It seems correct. Although kind of like a random brand. Like to me, Sissy Spacek is such a classic. Like Chloe or like perhaps a Rodarte reference.
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B
Now Sissy Spacek would be great for this Chloe collections ad campaign. Nothing says Prairie Girl like Sissy Space act to me. Totally then, now, forever.
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C
Yeah, Like a strawberry blonde with freckles. Like, that's so Chloe.
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B
Shall we talk about the Celine show? That was very near and dear to my heart.
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C
Yeah. There weren't any women of a certain age on the Runway. But I do believe that the spirit of Diane Keaton was present at this show in many of the looks.
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B
Oh, yeah. I mean, I feel like the most Diane Keaton thing was the addition of the not quite a bowler, not quite a fedora hat that Diane Keaton perfected. And Chelsea, let me tell you, I've spent my entire life looking for that hat silhouette.
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C
Well, now you know where to buy it. It is a very distinctly like late 80s, into the early 90s Diane Keaton look to wear a hat like that with either a blazer or just like a full on overcoat.
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B
This is personally how I want to dress, which is like very simple clothing, like a coat, a blazer, and let the hat do the talking.
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C
That is like everyone's reaction to this show. Not that everyone is necessarily a hat wearer. I think that's, that's more specific to you. But I think a lot of people are looking at this show and at the previous couple shows he's done for Celine and seeing like, oh, this is actually presenting me with ideas for interesting ways of wearing stuff that has like a practical application in my life, life. Like I saw a look in the show that was like, it was a double breasted blazer that was very similar to a vintage blazer that I already have.
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B
And.
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C
And then he paired it with these like ankle cut black flares. So you know what I did? I found a similar pant on Revolve.
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B
Revolve.
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C
Hey, if you need to find something highly specific and have it delivered to Your house within 24 hours, Revolve is the place for that.
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B
Do you know that Revolve has a physical store at the Grove? No, sorry. The way I delivered that makes it sound like this is an ad for Revolve.
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C
But that said, I would like to buy into this brand as Well, I think the handbags are amazing. I love that he's brought the charm bracelet back.
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B
I love that. I was gonna say I now need to add a tab in my budget of just like, slowly start saving money for one of these bowler dying Keaton hats, because I need it.
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C
Yeah, he's really smart. He's killing it.
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B
Michael Ryder. That's the designer.
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C
Yeah. And I just like to go back to what we were talking about. Piero Paulo. It's amazing that he managed to figure out, like, how to a not totally alienate the Eddie Slimane customer who has been shopping at Celine for the last however many years. He brought back the Celine customer from
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B
the Phoebe Filo days.
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C
Yes, the Phoebe Filo Celine customer, which had departed long ago. But he did it by not just fully copying Phoebe Philo, which is what, you know, many fashion designers do. He definitely put his own twist on things. This sort of very preppy American look that he was also doing at Ralph Lauren. And it's just kind of impressive how he actually did manage to balance all of those things while doing something new, while being true to himself while referencing Diane Keaton.
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B
Honestly, Highlight of Paris Fashion Week.
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C
Well, and now I know that he's one of us because Diane Keaton's death clearly hit him hard.
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B
Also, I think we need to get Drew to make another printout of Diane Keaton pregnant with Rachel McAdams from the Family Stone. We gotta figure out how to get it to him.
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C
Him to Michael Writer.
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B
Yeah.
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C
He would appreciate the reference.
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B
He would.
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C
Is that it?
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B
I think it is.
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C
Let's let that be it.
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B
And I think I said this last year at the end of Fashion Week, but I do think for next fashion month, we will be doing video so that you can finally see what the we're talking about and we can stop painting word pictures.
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C
Yeah, I can't wait for that.
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B
That.
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C
And we will be back next week to talk about the Oscars and whether or not Emma Stone wore that Louis Vuitton dress. Did Emma Stone wear it? Did Jennifer Lawrence wear it? One of them's going to.
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B
All right, guys, we'll see you next week.
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C
Bye.
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B
Bye.
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