265: On the Oscars, Galliano for Zara, Timothée Chalamet

Summary

Podcast Summary: Every Outfit – Episode 265

Title: On the Oscars, Galliano for Zara, Timothée Chalamet
Date: March 20, 2026
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garroni

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Main Theme

This episode of Every Outfit delivers the duo's signature sharp, fashion-forward commentary, zeroing in on the 2026 Oscars ceremony. Chelsea and Lauren dissect the winners, fashion highs and lows, memorable moments from the ceremony and Vanity Fair party, and dig into the broader pop cultural reverberations about Timothée Chalamet, John Galliano’s surprising partnership with Zara, and various celebrity auctions. As always, they pair insider knowledge with bitchy wit, providing a delightfully irreverent, detail-packed analysis for hardcore fashion and pop culture obsessives.

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Table of Contents

1. Oscars Ceremony Review
   • Hosts, monologue, and overall vibe
2. Major Winners & Notable Oscar Moments
   • Key wins, acceptance speeches, snubs
3. Timothée Chalamet Discourse
4. Awards Show Presenters & In Memoriam
5. Fashion Rundown: Red Carpet & Vanity Fair Party
6. Galliano for Zara Analysis
7. Celebrity Auctions: Gwyneth & Whoopi
8. Remakes: Single White Female Becomes Single Female
9. Other Random Fashion/Fame Moments

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Oscars Ceremony Review [01:33]

Conan O’Brien as Host

• The hosts rave about Conan’s performance as Oscars host, describing him as “old school” and reliable.
  • "I'm never nervous for Conan, and I can't say the same about other Oscars hosts." – Chelsea (02:16)
• Praise for classic opening bit inserting the host into nominated films. Shout out to Conan’s grooming and wig.
• Noted how Conan wasn’t afraid to “make it weird” and joke about Hollywood’s demise:
  • "He went a little too hard for me at least about the impending death of Hollywood... Can we just leave it alone for one evening?" – Lauren (04:56)

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Major Winners & Notable Oscar Moments [05:10]

Best Picture and Biggest Winners

• One Battle After Another dominated: 6 awards, including Best Picture, Director (PT Anderson’s first), Adapted Screenplay, Editing, Casting, and Best Supporting Actor (Sean Penn, absent).
• Both hosts lament absent winners receiving awards:
  • "If you're not there to receive your award, they should just give it to the person who came in second." – Lauren (05:36)
• Historical context: PT Anderson finally wins after multiple snubs, discussion of Oscars as non-meritocratic and often more about timing or “career” wins.

Best Supporting Actress

• Amy Madigan’s win noted as both deserved and a typical “career Oscar” in this category.
  • "It's nice to see a non-facelift, non-Ozempic person." – Lauren (12:51)

Other Acting Categories

• Michael B. Jordan’s win for Best Actor (for Sinners) discussed as expected by awards night but surprising given early season hype for Chalamet ("Timmy").
• Chalamet’s campaign choices (skipping events, press comments) possibly played against him.

Notable Acceptances and Trivia

• Emotional speeches highlighted, especially by "the gay guy that won for editing" (One Battle After Another), commended for sharing Hollywood family backstory (07:43).
• Marty Supreme received nine nominations, won nothing.

Oscars Not a Meritocracy

• Repeated throughout: wins often imbalance between deserving/legacy/politics.
  • “Oscars are not a meritocracy. At times a popularity contest.” – Lauren (09:17)

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Timothée Chalamet Discourse [14:46]

• Chalamet’s “opera and ballet” comments (meant positively) triggered unwarranted backlash—hosts deconstruct what’s fair, the Academy’s “twink hazing,” and parallels to previous actors like DiCaprio.

  • “If you need Kylie Jenner’s boyfriend to validate opera and ballet as an art form, there’s something wrong with you.” – Chelsea (16:16)

• Analysis of Oscar’s resistance to crowning young male actors, campaign missteps, whether losing impacts his future Oscar chances.

  • "He's being hated on because he's talented and popular." – Chelsea (18:46)
  • "Every year, award season gets longer and longer, and the issue of being the favorite... is that it is very easy to fall out of favor." – Lauren (19:44)

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Awards Show Presenters & In Memoriam [26:16]

Presenter Bits

• Mixed reviews on presenter skits:
  • Anna Wintour & Anne Hathaway’s Devil Wears Prada bit (theorizing Meryl Streep was a last-minute dropout).
  • Robert Downey Jr. & Chris Evans Marvel reunion: awkward, forced.
  • Bridesmaids cast reunion: visually pleasing, unclear premise but crowd-pleaser (29:50).

In Memoriam

• Highs and lows: moving Rob Reiner tribute (31:05), criticism for photo editing and omissions (James Van Der Beek, Eric Dane) in the segment.
  • "Whoever was responsible for choosing the photographs... should be incarcerated." – Chelsea (31:57)
• Jane Fonda/Barbra Streisand anecdotes for Diane Keaton/Robert Redford tributes.
  • “I don't know. Like, Goldie Hawn was there. Jane Fonda was there. We could have gone book club with this.” – Chelsea (34:22)

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Fashion Rundown: Red Carpet & Vanity Fair Party [42:42]

Oscars Red Carpet

• Anna Wintour: Best-dressed for personal style and individuality.
  • "Her outfit reflected personal style in a way I didn’t really see from other people..." – Chelsea (43:07)
• Amy Madigan (Dior suit): also praised.
• Rose Byrne (Dior), Anne Hathaway (Valentino): old Hollywood throwbacks, compared and contrasted.
• Miyako Bellizzi (costume designer), Nicole Kidman, Teyana Taylor: called out for Chanel excellence.
• Menswear: Pedro Pascal praised for skipping jacket/tie, “showing off that big, beautiful chrysanthemum brooch” (48:11); Michael B. Jordan less exciting but fine.

LV and Other Designers

• Discussion of Louis Vuitton’s “range”—Chase Infinity’s gown: “Anyone could have designed that,” felt generic.
• Jessie Buckley’s Chanel Best Actress look dismissed as “could be any house.”
• Mia Goth (Dior), Rose Byrne’s VF afterparty looks praised for boldness and fun.

Vanity Fair Afterparty

• General trend: more daring and individualistic looks at the party.
• Demi Moore: First "Demna for Gucci" feathered dress, “Very Dietrich. Very diva.” (56:49)
• Kim Kardashian: Demna’s Gucci, "didn't love," blue contacts/glam "not successful" (57:41)
• Julia Fox (archival Viktor & Rolf, 2022): “cool, not quite archival but bold” (60:30)
• Sarah Paulson (Fecal Matter), Holland Taylor, Dua Lipa (Schiaparelli), Bella Hadid (Prada), Sarah Pidgeon (Calvin Klein), Connor Story (YSL), Jeff Goldblum & wife (playful couples look): all called out for specific styling wins.
• Best plus one: Victoria Ceretti in Alaia, praised for sticking with one look all night.
• Most discussed: Kris Jenner’s “Claudia Cardinale” Chanel look, Rita Ora’s “Mae West hat” (68:03)

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Galliano for Zara Analysis [82:03]

• News: John Galliano enters a two-year creative deal with Zara to "re-author the brand’s archives."
  • “The archive is copies of clothing from famous fashion designers. I want to see him interpret his archive for Zara, not the other way around.” – Chelsea (82:23)
• Explored fast fashion vs. mass market distinctions, elitist critique of Galliano working for a mass retailer.
  • "Where do you shop? Because most people I know are buying clothes at Zara, Uniqlo, or Target..." – Chelsea (83:11)
• Discussed Zara’s strategy to “go upmarket.”
  • "This is a very strategic way to distance themselves from that [fast fashion] further." – Chelsea (86:26)
• Price point speculation: will it cost more than premium Zara lines but less than designer?

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Celebrity Auctions: Gwyneth & Whoopi [69:32]

• Gwyneth Paltrow/Juliens: Auction dubbed “the stuff Apple Martin didn’t want.”
  • Mix of “closet clean out” and actual memorabilia. Some pieces “laudered” through the sale that aren’t even hers (71:11).
  • "Why is she selling a couple of random Restoration Hardware club chairs?" – Lauren (71:30)
• Whoopi Goldberg: More personal, typical clear-out, plus wild items: art deco furniture, novelty heels, “racist memorabilia” Whoopi’s spoken about before (74:19).
• Both sales analyzed for approach, celebrity logic, which pieces they’d buy.

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Remakes: Single White Female Becomes Single Female [77:25]

• Discussed the race-swapped remake of Single White Female, now Single Female starring Jenna Ortega and Taylor Russell.
  • Both find “Single Female” a clumsy title: “Especially when Single Black Female is right there.” – Chelsea (77:59)
• Speculation about how the plot (obsessive lookalikes) will function, and the potential satire on “wokeness."
• Hosts cast skepticism on Hollywood's pattern of remakes: if people don’t know the original, they’re likely not seeing the remake (79:52).

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Other Random Fashion/Fame Moments [52:32]

• Natalie Portman & Zendaya Oscars Ads: Puzzlement over concept and targeting. Portman’s Audrey Hepburn-inspired Tiffany ad and Zendaya’s Rolex tribute raise questions about brand ambassador choices and demographics.
• Chloe Zhao: Noted for "black veil" look and pivot to death doula training; used as a springboard for discussing her cancelled Buffy reboot and the labyrinthine politics of Hollywood development.
  • "I'm afraid of dying—if I don't get right with death, the second half of my life is going to be completely miserable." – Chloe Zhao via Lauren (52:52)
• New And Just Like That prop/costume auction teased.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “The impact of Fashion Police or perhaps its absence has caused people to get very safe on the red carpet.” – Lauren (43:46)
• “Oscars like to haze the twinks.” – Chelsea, on Chalamet’s snub (19:40)
• “Whoever was responsible for choosing the photographs... should be incarcerated.” – Chelsea, on In Memoriam editing (31:57)
• “Her relationship with Carla Welch is one of the most successful styling relationships in Hollywood right now.” – Lauren, on Sarah Paulson's look (61:38)
• On Galliano/Zara: “People are using the term fast fashion very liberally—there is actually a difference between fast fashion and mass market clothing.” – Chelsea (84:13)

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Timestamps by Segment

• [01:33] – Oscars begins, hosts praise Conan
• [05:10] – Oscar winners, One Battle After Another domination
• [09:17] – Oscars as popularity contest vs. meritocracy
• [14:46] – Michael B. Jordan win, Chalamet discussion
• [26:16] – Presenter/presenter skits
• [31:05] – In Memoriam dissection
• [42:42] – Fashion: Oscars red carpet, party, best/worst dressed
• [52:32] – Zendaya ads, Chloe Zhao, Buffy commentary
• [69:32] – Gwyneth and Whoopi auctions
• [77:25] – Single White Female remake
• [82:03] – Galliano for Zara
• [87:14] – Closing apologies, preview of next Sex and the City rewatch

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Tone and Style

Chelsea and Lauren maintain their classic snark: irreverent, arch, and always ready with a reference deep cut or an eyeroll for Hollywood’s absurdity. The episode is fast-paced, packed with cultural literacy, and punctuated by rapid-fire asides, pop-history lessons, and witty quips about the state of both fashion and fame.

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For Listeners Who Missed It:

This episode delivers everything an Every Outfit superfan could want: careful (if catty) fashion analysis, Oscars arcana, industry gossip, fashion news take-downs, and a healthy aversion to Hollywood groupthink. You'll walk away more informed, more amused, and always ready to judge the next awards season red carpet.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garoni]

And welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. We are coming to you nearly a week after the Oscars, mere blocks away from where the ceremony was held.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Since we're this late, shall we just get straight into it?

[Lauren Garoni]

Let's get into it. Conan hosted the Oscars again. What did we think of his performance?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I thought he was great. I'm never nervous for Conan, and I can't say the same about other oscars hosts.

[Lauren Garoni]

Seth McFarlane.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, exactly. He's one of the greats. He's always way less annoying than either of the Jimmies.

[Lauren Garoni]

He. Yeah, and I don't think we're gonna get an Ellen DeGeneres hosted Oscars anytime. Soon. But I do think it's hard when you host back to back years. Usually someone hosts, then someone else does, and then a favorite host comes back a few years later because you can't help but compare their performance to the previous year. And he was so stellar last year. And there were a few bumps during his monologue, but that was mostly due to the camera crew. I will say that one guy was on Leonardo DiCaprio. He missed his mark. I don't know where he was.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh yeah, that was crazy. That stressed me out.

[Lauren Garoni]

But it started as all good award shows start. I know Billy Crystal coined this, but a award show host putting themselves in the award nominated films. A glorious bit. Always good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, this one was perfect because he looked great as Aunt Gladys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Shout out to our colorist Casey, who is Conan's groomer and had to wrangle that wig on his head.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He looked perfect. I don't know, there's something about Conan. He feels a little more old school than your average talk show host. And I guess it's because he has been doing it for the longest at this point. But like he comes from another era of show business.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. Well, as he kept joking throughout the ceremony, he would soon be replaced by a robot or an influencer or someone like that. Conan is also not afraid to make it weird. I think it's a really rough crowd in the room because everyone is very tense and nervous, especially for the monologue because they've been waiting for this night and seemingly have been on a press tour for a year straight and everyone is starving. I saw that they made little snack boxes for the people in the audience, which I thought was very smart. But I feel like there's always a tension with an award show host where they have to make a decision of like, are they playing to the room or are they playing to the audience, which is much bigger watching at home.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Ideally they should be able to do

[Lauren Garoni]

both and I think Conan does both very well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I also loved the bit at the very end, the one battle after another parody.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. Co starring Jim Downey, who Conan worked with when he was on Saturday Night Live. So that was a very cute reunion, very funny.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you know, he had no problem shitting on Trump, certainly during the Oscars.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, shitting on Trump, shitting on the state of Hollywood. I think he went a little too hard for me at least throughout the award show about the impending death of Hollywood. It's like, I know, but can we just leave it alone for one evening?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we get into some of the

[Lauren Garoni]

Winners, of course, the big winner of the night was one Battle after another, which took home six awards. Best picture, best director, adapted screenplay, editing, casting, and of course, best supporting Actor. To Sean Penn, who was not there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He definitely deserved it. That performance was incredible. But it always makes me sad for the other nominees when someone wins that isn't even there.

[Lauren Garoni]

I really do think that if you are not there to receive your award, they should just give it to the person who came in second.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I agree.

[Lauren Garoni]

I joked to Paul, I was like, what is he with Vladimir Zelinsky? And he won. And the reason I made that joke is, I don't know if you know this, Chell. In 2022, Sean Penn went to visit President Zelenskyy in Ukraine and gave him one of his best actor Oscars.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Milk one or the mystic river one.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's what he won for. No word on which award he gave him, but he did say at the time, I feel terrible. This is for you. It's just a symbolic, silly thing, but I know if this is here with you, then I'll feel better and stronger for the fight.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That his Oscar is in some bunker in Ukraine.

[Lauren Garoni]

His Oscar. His Gus Van Sant.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, we don't one. It is true.

[Lauren Garoni]

He also said, when you win, this is to Zelensky, bring it back to Malibu. I'll feel much better knowing a piece of me is here.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, now Zelitz's got to bring it back to you in Malibu of all places.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Now he has another one to give him. Potentially. I was a bit sad. I wanted Stellan Skarsgard to win.

[Lauren Garoni]

Or Delroy Lindo. I mean, if you look. That's always the fun thing, as someone that compulsively watches award shows is looking at those boxes of all the nominees when the winner is called, because Delroy Lindo didn't even clap. He was like, fudge this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it sucks for him. It sucks to lose to someone who is clearly jaded and doesn't give a shit. Like, it's cool of Sean Penn that he doesn't give a shit, but I think that's only because he has two other Oscars and now he has a third.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. And the best thing he did, ironically, for his awards campaign was to not campaign at all.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He didn't need to campaign. He did so much in that tight black T shirt, that uncomfortably tight T shirt that he was wearing.

[Lauren Garoni]

We were thankfully saved from a six minute sanctimonious speech, though.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's true. You know whose speech I loved? The gay guy that won for Editing that movie that thanked his archivist aunt who worked for the Academy, apparently.

[Lauren Garoni]

I always love Hollywood lore. I also love when people who win awards give context to the people they're thanking. Instead of just being like, and Patty and Eric and you know who you are. It's like, yeah, but I don't know who they are. Also, one battle after another won the first ever casting award. Cassandra Kulakundis won. She started her creative collaboration with PT Anderson on Magnolia and they have worked together ever since. She was also the casting director behind Ghost World, Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle, Her Vox Lux, the rebooted Gossip Girl and the Brutalists. So she's also Brady Courbet's girl as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Amazing. I love that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Of course, Papa P.T. anderson finally won his best Director Oscar. You and I were discussing this where I was like, well, I mean, he won for screenplay for Phantom thread back in 2017 and it was like, no, no, he didn't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can't believe they never gave him screenplay. They should have given him screenplay for Boogie Nights. I can't believe that Boogie Nights wasn't even nominated for best Picture. I didn't realize that either.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think he even got screenplay for that. I believe famously there is a video of him maybe on some substances. Very upset that he's not nominated.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He was nominated for screenplay, but he lost to Matt Damon and Ben Affleck because it was the goodwill hunting Titanic year.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which I think is a good time to point out that the Oscars are not a meritocracy. I know a lot of people were upset that Ryan Coogler did not win Best Director. And you know what, I agree with you. He should have won Best Director because PT Anderson should have won best Director three times previously. But unfortunately, again, the Oscars are not a meritocracy. They are at times a popularity contest. And sometimes we give it to 25, 27 year old handsome actors who've written a screenplay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. You know what was nominated that year instead of Boogie Nights? The Full Monty for picture. Can you imagine?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, look, F1 was nominated for best Picture, but you know, that is the Full Monty. Being nominated is pretty egregious when you think that at the time there were only five best picture nominees. Now there are 10. So like when something like F1 gets nominated, you're like, all right, yeah, but is it the point of nominating F1 the idea that Brad Pitt will come to the Oscars because he didn't see,

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've just been avoiding that Whole movie. I didn't even know he was in it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, he's kind of the star.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

What else? Amy Madigan won. That was cool.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, her win isn't exactly a surprise.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was kind of a surprise.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I just mean that the Academy tends to favor career Oscars. I know, I contradicting myself being like, it's not a meritocracy. It's a popularity contest. But paradoxically, they also will give older actors Oscars, especially in the best supporting actress category. I think of Jamie Lee Curtis not to say that Amy Madigan is not deserving of her best supporting actress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, she definitely is. But it's fascinating to see which horror performances the Academy chooses to recognize. Because you won't even nominate Toni Collette for hereditary.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was just about to say. Still not over that. No, she was very cute. It feels like despite the fact that she has been on a whole awards press run People just realize that she's married to Ed Harris and has been for the last 40 years and he is looking good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Might I say they both look great.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's nice to see a non facelift, non ozempic person.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I like that she thanked the cast of Sinners in one battle after another because I didn't think about the fact that like she was like a solo agent during award season because no one else from Weapons was nominated for shit. So imagine going to all of those awards shows and all those luncheons by yourself, essentially.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, she does have Ed Harris by her side.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, yeah, she gets a plus one, obviously, but still, that's very different than just looking around and seeing entire tables populated with people from certain movies.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also, the writer, director Zach Kreger could not be with her during her awards run even to be her plus one because he has been in, I believe, Prague shooting a Resident Evil reboot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Never saw the first one.

[Lauren Garoni]

So the first five.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I didn't know there were five.

[Lauren Garoni]

Directed by Mila Jovovich's husband, Paul W.S. anderson.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's an unfortunate name to have if you're a director.

[Lauren Garoni]

I wonder if Paul Thomas Anderson, because in the Actors Guild you cannot have the same name as a known actor. That's why Michael Keaton's real name is Michael Douglas, actually, and he picked Keaton for Diane Keaton. That's why he's Michael Keaton. So I wonder if the Director's Guild has the same rule where it's like, I'm sorry, you both can't be Paul Anderson.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Makes sense. Michael B. Jordan, of course, won for best Actor. A great Oscars moment.

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He looked great.

[Lauren Garoni]

It seemed like the room itself was vibrating when he won.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The In N Out burger was vibrating later that day. It was very cute.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's interesting that at the beginning of this awards season it really felt like a far gone conclusion that Timmy was going to win. And there has been this energy, even if you don't care about award season. Just in the last two weeks where it was like, no, Michael B. Jordan's going to win. And indeed Michael B. Jordan won.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I have to say I'm not here for this Timmy slander that seems to have been picking up steam in recent weeks.

[Lauren Garoni]

Again, just to put this win in the context of the Oscars one, Michael B. Jordan played two roles, so there's that. But also, the Oscars typically in the best actor category does not typically award young actors. So Michael B. Jordan has been acting since he was a child. He is 39 years old. Timmy is 30. The youngest ever awarded actor in this category was Adrien Brody at the age of 29. The second youngest person was Adrien Brody winning the second time for the Brutalist. Just to let you know the age discrepancy of best actors. Sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But he's been consistently nominated and this is the third film that he fully deserved to win for.

[Lauren Garoni]

But it's an unlikable role and I think people have fused his character with his press run.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's an unlikable role. Aunt Gladys won best supporting actress. You have a problem with Marty Supreme? I'm just not into the fact that people are talking about him like he's annoying and entitled in this brat pack sort of way when at the end of the day, he's a brilliant actor. And I think that these opera and ballet comments were so blown out of proportion. Like, all he was saying is that these are art forms that have waned in popularity with the mainstream, which is true. And also, if you need Kylie Jenner's boyfriend to validate opera and ballet as an art form, there's something wrong with you. I'm sorry.

[Lauren Garoni]

But I do find it sort of ironic that he's making these comments at a time where years ago, Steven Spielberg discussed the theatrical movie going experience, that it would go the way of theater and opera and ballet. So I do think it's kind of funny because it's like. But that is what is going to happen to the theatrical movie going experience in 20 years. So it's a little funny that you are like, no, no, no. I'm part of a popular art.

[Chelsea Fairless]

People will still watch movies regardless of whether it's in a theater or at home, though.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. But he has made a choice not to do any streaming films, to not be a part of comic book films. Like, he's been very specific in his choices. I do think that he did some things. Again, it's a popularity contest that annoyed the Academy voters, one of which was he did not go to the Governor's Ball, which is a big deal. Like, if you look at someone like Eddie Redmayne, who won for. What did he win for that movie? It's not everything everywhere all at once, but it has a title like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Theory of Everything.

[Lauren Garoni]

I knew everything was in there somewhere. But Eddie Redmayne did all the things. He went to all the screenings, he went to all the Academy events and Timmy didn't. He evidently showed up late to the Academy nominee luncheon, which.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did Sean Penn show up for that? Because he won, you Got me there.

[Lauren Garoni]

I feel like not enough people are discussing the context of this opera and ballet comments because it comes from a town hall interview that he did or made Matthew McConaughey do with him for CNN. Like it's such an unforced error.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is it that big of an error? People are acting like he said something heinous and reprehensible.

[Lauren Garoni]

There is a weird tension when it comes to awards season. And Anne Hathaway face this wrath as well, which is, if you want it too much, people don't like that. And Timmy did a whole kind of parallel press path where, I don't know if you know this, Chelsea, but between Los Angeles and New York, he did his own film retrospective.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yes, I heard about that. Because he has enough good movies even at the young age of what? How old is he?

[Lauren Garoni]

He's 30.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To do a retrospective of his own films. Look, he's being hated on because he's talented and popular. And he's so popular that he can't even make an innocuous comment about opera and ballet without dragged.

[Lauren Garoni]

I saw some tweet that was like, I guess Timmy's going back to the gay asylum.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But the fact that when he was Speaking with Matthew McConaughey, he immediately acknowledged no disrespect to ballet and opera. Perhaps I'm just taking this personally because I can imagine getting negative feedback for something similar. Like we probably said something comparable about print media, and it's not that serious. It's not that deep, obviously.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I think Timmy losing does not signal that he's no longer going to have a career. Like he's going to win an Oscar at some point. He perhaps is on the Leonardo DiCaprio trajectory where he won't get there for another 15 years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, yeah, they like to haze the twinks at the Academy.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I do think part of the problem is every year, award season gets longer and longer, and the issue of being the favorite at the top of the awards season is. It is very easy to fall out of favor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. But Marty supreme was a great movie and it deserves. Deserved something.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's right. It got nominated, I think, nine times and won nothing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it also deserved to win for casting. I would have voted for that in the casting category.

[Lauren Garoni]

Or costume.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

But of course, Frankenstein was gonna walk away with all of the. The technical awards.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Shall we get into the second biggest winner of the Night Sinners, which had four awards? Michael B. Jordan. As we just mentioned, it also won score, cinematography, best original screenplay for Ryan

[Chelsea Fairless]

Coogler I feel like I see that guy that won for score more than a lot of my closest friends.

[Lauren Garoni]

Ludwig Goranson.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

He is kind of Phineas's Wario, where they're like, always at the Oscars, always at the Grammys, always winning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He stays winning.

[Lauren Garoni]

I wonder if Ludwig Goranson has become the millennial Hans Zimmerman.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He absolutely has. This man has three Oscars and he looks like some guy that you would randomly see at Squirrel or something.

[Lauren Garoni]

Ludwig Goranson met Ryan Coogler at usc. They have had a lifelong working relationship together, although Ludwig now works on Christopher Nolan films, which is why he feels omnipresent and omni awarded.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can we also talk about this, like, extremely cool chick that won for cinematography, Autumn Derald Arkapaw.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. This is her second collaboration with Ryan Coogler. He, I believe, has always worked with a female cinematographer. Rachel Morrison. Before Rachel Morrison was the first female to ever get nominated for cinematography. Autumn is now the first female to ever win best Academy Award for cinematography.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She also looked very cool.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

In her Thom Browne outfit.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I thought it was very sweet. There's something. Just the energy that Ryan Coogler and the team and his cast and crew, it's very clear that they're all very close to each other. I don't know if you caught that. Ryan Coogler ran back to where her son was because she shouted him out and was, like, carrying him up close to the stage so he could see his mom give her award speech.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's cute.

[Lauren Garoni]

But she has also, if you enjoy her work and want to see more of her work, she worked with Giacoppola on Last Showgirl and Palo Alto. And then, of course, Ryan Coogler won best Original Screenplay. I feel like I called that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, Diane Warren lost again. Like, how many times can they degrade this woman in this way?

[Lauren Garoni]

We are currently watching the Comeback for a VIP episode and it just. It's giving Valerie Cherish. Although Diane Warren on the red carpet was like. Because someone, of course, was asking her about it. She's become literally the Susan Lucci of the Oscars. And she was like, no, I love it. I don't think she was coping. I think she genuinely, like, it's an honor to keep losing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, her face said otherwise when they announced the, like, K Pop demon Hunter song. Because, like, how many Oscars luncheons has this woman gone to? Like, she's lost weeks of her life to the Oscars.

[Lauren Garoni]

Weeks? Probably years. Hasn't she been nominated 17, 18 times? That's definitely at least a year or two of your life.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Starting with the theme song from Mannequin.

[Lauren Garoni]

Of course I didn't make this joke, someone online did. But they posit that the only way that Diane Warren is going to win an Oscar is if she plays Ghislaine Maxwell.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It must suck to have the Ghislaine haircut These days,

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[Lauren Garoni]

What else was notable? Oh, the tie for the short film winners.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Love it.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean we love some drama, some unexpected drama. However, as two people that compulsively have watched award shows our entire life, I feel like this happens in all the technical categories and also in the short film categories because it's usually like a duo or a group of people that come on stage. You guys, one of you can't give a speech and then expect that the next one can give a full ass speech and not be played off the animated short guys. Got it. They did their speech in tandem. One would say a line, then the next one would say a line, then one would say a line, then the next One would say a line.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it was really rude how they played off like one of the K pop demon hunter people.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, Conan pointed out, because the camera cut to Conan after the second person in the second winning short film group went to speak, that they not only played him off, but they lowered his mic to get him to stop speaking. And then he just kept speaking to a point where they raised the mic back up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Crazy. Shall we get into some of the presenters?

[Lauren Garoni]

Absolutely. Now, Conan's monologue. Great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Strong.

[Lauren Garoni]

I can only imagine what it takes to put the Oscars together, how much material you have to come up with. However, the presenter's bit overall, not the strongest.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I agree. Although fun to see. Anna Wintour.

[Lauren Garoni]

Does she have a financial stake in the Devil Wears Prada too?

[Chelsea Fairless]

She should.

[Lauren Garoni]

Does she have a producing credit I'm unaware of?

[Chelsea Fairless]

She, of course, course presented with Anne Hathaway, which makes me think that Meryl canceled because. Did Meryl cancel because of Martin Schwartz's daughter's suicide?

[Lauren Garoni]

That's interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just don't see how this would be anyone's first choice for this bit. Like, if she came out with Merill, people would have died.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. And I believe Anne Hathaway has already come out with Emily Blunt as a presenter, so, like, that's already been done. But, like. Like the idea that Anna Wintour would be the backup choice and she would say yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I don't think Anna Wintour was the backup choice. I think that Anne Hathaway was the backup choice.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, you thought it was Anna Wintour and Meryl Streep. Got it, got it, got it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anna Wintour and Meryl Streep would pack a much bigger punch than Anna Wintour and Anne Hathaway.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think that Anne Hathaway was a replacement, and Anna was understandably fine with it, given the circumstances, I would imagine.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's funny, I was like, why is Anna not wearing her signature sunglasses? And of course, it was a bit where she's ignoring Anne Hathaway at the end.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I thought Anna was great, but you could see that she's, like, viscerally uncomfortable when she doesn't have her sunglasses.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, well, as we learned in the Amy o' Dell biography about Anna Wintour, the sunglasses are not just an armor because she is very shy. She's also evidently blind. And so she has very powerful prescriptions in those sunglasses.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She also evidently wore them in the theater when she was seeing the Devil Wears Prada the first time. Like, when she went to the premiere.

[Lauren Garoni]

She can't See Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There was also that weird bit with Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. Robert Downey Jr. Was missing so many of his marks that I questioned if he had relapsed or not. Although I don't think that that's actually the case.

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[Lauren Garoni]

As a former Marvel nerd, this was very hard for me to witness. Mostly because these are two men who have spent the last five or six years purposely distancing themselves from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, only to now be back in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is why they were presenting together. They were presenting screenwriting, which I also noticed they doubled up on the presenters, what they were presenting. Like, usually it's one award. This time it was two awards. So they were doing best original screenplay and best adapted screenplay. Usually the presenters have a bit about what they are presenting. This year, almost every bit was about something else, which, like, we don't need to introduce a new element. Like, for Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. It was a joke about how it was their anniversary because it's been 14 years, not even a good anniversary since the Avengers came out. And did you get me a present? And then Robert Downey Jr's present was a thong that came from Channing Tatum. Awful comedic timing. Except for Channing Tatum, who has excellent comedic timing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, he's perfect. The Bridesmaids reunion, obviously a more notable moment. It made me really happy to see them all together.

[Lauren Garoni]

I love seeing them all together. But can you explain to me what the bit is supposed to be? That people in the audience have written notes for them, but only them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Hey, I'm with you. I was struck at how well their gowns complemented each other. Like, it was as if they were styled as a group for like the Vanity Fair Hollywood issue or something.

[Lauren Garoni]

I feel like they're all still genuinely friends with each other. So I'm sure there's a group chat where they did indeed coordinate. Or maybe they put all their stylists on a group chat and we're like, figure it out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, because it was all like black and silver and champagne and stuff like that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Now, should we get to the In Memoriam section?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So much to discuss.

[Lauren Garoni]

Is this the best in memoriam in Oscars history? It is. At the very least, the most in memoriam in Oscar's history.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, compared to the Grammys in Memoriam that we just saw, this was nothing. I don't know. To me, this had a lot of highs and lows. The Rob Reiner tribute, very effective. Billy Crystal was great. Seeing all the actors that were in his films together.

[Lauren Garoni]

Incredibly moving to see them all in a line together, going film by film, seeing everyone from Christopher Guest to Kiefer Sutherland to Fred Savage to Carole Kane to John Cusack.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Delightful.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also, I had no idea I knew that Billy Crystal and Rob Reiner were lifelong friends. I didn't know their friendship started in 1975 when Billy Crystal was cast as his best friend in all in the Family.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's really cute and really sad considering what just happened to him.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. That your friend dies on your 50th anniversary of knowing each other dies is

[Chelsea Fairless]

a warm and fuzzy way of describing what happened to him.

[Lauren Garoni]

So that was definitely a high. What would you say was a low?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The low, I would say was the photo editor.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Whoever was responsible for choosing the photographs of the people that passed away, and whoever was responsible with silhouetting those photographs should be incarcerated.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, also, I think for timing, to accommodate all of the special speakers, let's say eulogizing certain actors who passed away, they had to double up the in memoriam cards, which they usually never do.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But not for everyone. Just for like. Like publicists and more behind the scenes people. Not, like, for the major actors.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But still very rude. And I know I'm harping on about this, but the silhouetting, Lauren, it was like, you know how, like, you can automatically do that on your phone now? Yes, it was like that. Like, no one even did a second pass retouching those silhouettes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, clearly they were doing them up until the last second because they forgot some notable people, as they always do, which is. Is kind of the fun. If there is any fun to be had during the in memoriam section is like, who are they going to miss?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think it's fun for the friends in the family of the people whose loved one was omitted from the Oscars egregiously. As was the case with James Vanderbeek, which, I get it, he's mostly known for Dawson's Creek, but the rules of attraction. Come on, guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Varsity Blues erasure. We will not have this on the Every Outfit podcast. Horrible. I saw that people were also upset that Eric Dane was omitted, but Shonda Rhimes was recently on the red carpet post Oscars and was like, no, I get it. He's a TV actor. So if those two don't have a special section during the Emmys in Memoriam, then we riot for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, I really love Rachel McAdams as an actor, but I think that was a strange choice for Diane Keaton because no one's thinking, like, oh, you know, Diane Keaton's most iconic movie, the Family Stone, co starring Rachel McAdams in a supporting role.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, us. And I think our podcast listeners do think of her in that way. I will say that section was weird because it was like, Diane Keaton, but also Catherine O'. Hara. And I think they chose Rachel McAdams because they're like, she worked with Diane Keaton and she's Canadian. So we can tick off those two boxes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. Like, Goldie Hawn was there. Jane Fonda was there. We could have gone book club with this. I feel like Candice Bergen would have hopped on a plane from New York.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, Jane Fonda had less of an issue about not being asked to speak about Diane Keaton and more had an issue with not being asked to speak about Robert Redford.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Because she said this very funny thing to a reporter, which was a joke that got completely blown out of context, where she was like, why is Barbra Streisand presenting? She only did one movie with Robert. Ice did four. And that is how I learned that Jane Fonda and Robert Redford did four films together. Because I have only ever seen Barefoot in the Park.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm with you. No clue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, that was a shocking revelation to me. Like, if this was a question from Ghostface in a Scream Murder scenario, I would have been dead. For me, Barbra Streisand was one of the highlights of the entire show, obviously, because I'm a fan, but because her speech kind of did everything. She offered up moving personal anecdotes. She sang the Way We Were.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I mean, this is all I care about when it comes to Hollywood. That Robert Redford would just randomly call her up on evenings and, like, make fun of her. In true Barbra Streisand fashion, it did feel like she was airing out a little bit of a grievance where she's like, he always called me Babs. Why? And it's like, that is your nickname.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think it was a grievance. I thought that was a very cute story. She mentioned that for the punchline, which was perfect.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. But I. I also think she was like, look, that's something Robert Redford can call me. That's not something you guys can call me.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

what else?

[Lauren Garoni]

Zendaya and Robert Pattinson were presenters. The only non cringe presenters. Mostly because they're just so attractive. I think it overcame any cringy banter they possibly had.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They looked really, really hot. I'm already excited to see the drama, but now I'm very excited to see the drama.

[Lauren Garoni]

They have three movies together this year. The drama, the Odyssey and Dune three.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's crazy.

[Lauren Garoni]

I hope they like each other because they're going to be on three separ separate press tours this year. They're poor stylists, although that was pretty cool that she re wore her 2015 Golden Globes Vivian Westwood wedding dress to the drama premiere this week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Very cool. Especially since that's the dress that got Fashion Police canceled. As many people have pointed out, RIP

[Lauren Garoni]

11 years without it, and we miss her every day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can you imagine Juliana Rancic, like, refreshing her Instagram feed being, like, the darkest

[Lauren Garoni]

day of her life?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think it was the darkest day of her life. She's had some dark days, as we know.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I was gonna say, it's like we've gone back recently and watched a lot of Old Fashioned Police, or I guess the second or third iteration of Fashion Police, and a lot of up stuff was said in that show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yep.

[Lauren Garoni]

So the thing about the Oscars is it's. I feel like at this point, one of the few live broadcast things we actually watch, which forces us to watch the commercials. And there were some bizarre ones. If we could discuss just for a second.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. The Natalie Portman Tiffany ad.

[Lauren Garoni]

Does that mean she's free from being Ms. Dior? I need to know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I was so confused by what I saw. I meant to go back and watch it, like, five times in a row until I understood it, but I don't even know if that would help.

[Lauren Garoni]

She is Natalie Portman, but in a director mode, but dressed to look like Audrey Hepburn. And we're playing Moon River.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So many Breakfast at Tiffany's dog whistles.

[Lauren Garoni]

But this is what I always wonder about celebrity ambassadors. Does this make someone want to buy new Tiffany jewelry?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It must, or they wouldn't do it. But also, she has this crazy, unhinged voiceover about, like, inner strength and stuff.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I will say this ad looked great. Like, props to the cinematographer.

[Lauren Garoni]

Natalie Portman looks beautiful. I wonder if she did at any point when she was shown the creative, like, hey, guys, I'm in my 40s. Like, I get it. I do kind of look like Audrey Hepburn. But, like, should we be doing this in an ad? Like, I have directed my own films. Like, I, you know, I can stand on my own.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's weird to do it and not fully commit to it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. Because she's dressed as Audrey Hepburn, but she's directing a Tiffany commercial within a Tiffany commercial.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I honestly don't understand this ad at all.

[Lauren Garoni]

We potentially have spent more time thinking about the plot of this commercial than the creative agency.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Speaking of muddled concepts for ads, the Zendaya career retrospective Rolex ad. I genuinely thought it was a commercial for one of those AFI lifetime achievement awards where I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I guess Zendaya is having a big year. She has, I think, four or five films coming out. She's also in the new Spider man film, in addition to the three other films she's in with Robert Pattinson. So I was.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, and Euphoria. Don't forget.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, Euphoria, season three, of course. How could I forget? So I was like, oh, okay, maybe like, she's very young, but I guess it makes sense to give her a lifetime achievement award. And it's like, no, it's a Rolex ad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, the whole thing about Rolex ads is they have nothing to do with watches.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, for a long time, Rolex has done a campaign with the Academy Awards, but it's usually tied to directors, which makes sense.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not really, because I'll, like, be driving down Sunset Boulevard and there will be a billboard of Kathryn Bigelow winning her Oscar not wearing a Rolex. And then it just says Rolex.

[Lauren Garoni]

I guess my point about them tying it to directors is like, well, directors are older, so I guess that makes sense. But I don't know if Zendaya is inspiring young people to go out and buy Rolexes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Absolutely not.

[Lauren Garoni]

And they couldn't get Ryan Coogler because he was wearing a very cool reissue of the Cartier tank watch with his Vuitton outfit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Speaking of which, do you want to get into some outfits?

[Lauren Garoni]

Sure, let's do it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I found the Oscars to be quite hooey this year at the actual ceremony. Of course, there are a lot of bigger celebrities and more interesting outfits at the Vanity Fair after party. But if we're strictly speaking about the people that were physically present at the Oscars, to me, my best dress was Anna Wintour.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And my reasoning is that her outfit reflected personal style in a way that I didn't really see from other people at the Oscars, apart from, like, Spike Lee or something, who also looked great.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. I mean, Amy Madigan has been wearing suiting all throughout the award season. She wore a Dior suit, which was very fun. So I feel like that felt associated with her personal style. But I agree with you. I do think either the impact of Fashion Police or perhaps its absence has caused people to get very safe on the red carpet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or to think that you can only wear a gown. And that's why Anna Wintour and Amy Madigan both looked cool, both in Dior. By the way, I also loved Miyako Bellizzi, who wore vintage Dior. She was the costume designer for Marty Supreme.

[Lauren Garoni]

It was a dress from Tab Vintage. And as Vogue Explained to me she was in custom Pandora jewelry, which I just gotta say congratulations on that. Check. Richly deserved.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it didn't take away from the look.

[Lauren Garoni]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which was important. I can't say the same for Mia Goth, who wore a really, really beautiful Dior dress. White asymmetric Dior gown, a Galliano throwback back, I will say. But she didn't wear Dior shoes. She wore very basic, simple Stuart Weitzman shoes. And I'm like, how much do they pay her for that look?

[Lauren Garoni]

We may love Pearl, but Pearl doesn't pay the bills. Okay. As we learn from Shia LaBeouf, she is a single mother now. She needs that Stuart Weitzman check, so I'll give that to her. Rose Byrne was also in Dior.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think this was the most successful of the old Hollywood throwback looks for sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Very well executed.

[Lauren Garoni]

Although it did look oddly similar to Anne Hathaway's dress, which might make a little more sense if we go with your conspiracy theory that Anne Hathaway was a last minute replacement as a presenter.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it was two different designers doing the same concept, basically. Both very well executed.

[Lauren Garoni]

Anne Hathaway was in Valentino, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think Rose Burns look was better and also looked great.

[Lauren Garoni]

We'll get into it when we get into the Vanity Fair party. Often times a lot of people who attend the Oscars and also the Vanity Fair party, their Vanity Fair outfits are much more interesting. And I felt that that was the case with Rose Byrne. She also wore Dior to the afterparty, but it was this two piece, like a long beaded skirt and kind of a bandeau top, which I thought would have been an interesting choice, especially because we didn't even talk about the fact that Jessie Buckley won Best Actress. Mostly because.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because neither of us saw Hamnet for one thing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, I have been non consensually shown the sun dying scene on TikTok, which I did not care for and immediately started crying. So, no, I will not be watching the rest of Hamnet. Exactly how Chloe Zhao intended me to see Hamnet. An out of context clip on TikTok.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I liked Rose Bird's afterparty look, but I think in this instance she actually did pick the correct gown for the Oscars. If for no other reason, then the Vanity Fair look was a little more informal. And I feel like that should be the point of an after party look. I find it deeply weird when people change into something even more over the top for the after party. Like this is where you're supposed to Wear something shorter, lighter, less voluminous, more fun.

[Lauren Garoni]

I guess my thought of Rose Byrne wearing the Vanity Fair after party look to the Oscars is just because, I mean, she had won some awards, but she wasn't likely to win that night. I always think it's fun when someone that has no stake in the Oscars just decides to wear something fun and interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if she had no chance. I thought there was definitely a possibility. Obviously, I expected Jesse Buckley to win.

[Lauren Garoni]

Should we talk about her? She was in Chanel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Didn't love that. Mostly just because I feel like any other designer could have done it. If you told me it was Givenchy or Carolina Herrera or anyone, I would have been like, yeah, of course it is.

[Lauren Garoni]

And also, out of all of the celebrities that were dressed by Chanel for the Oscars, her look was just the most out of place compared to Matu Blasi's vision for Chanel. Like, which was better shown through Pedro Pascal or Nicole Kidman? Certainly Teyana Taylor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like Nicole Kidman is the only person who wore Chanel that actually looked like Chanel. Like Nicole Kidman's dress could have been designed by Carl very easily.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, yeah. It looked like she just walked out of a Chanel number five act.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Teyana Taylor had one of my favorite gowns of the night. Although it looked like a Cavalli gown.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. Also, I didn't realize till much later, Maya Rudolph, also in Chanel, that looked great on her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I liked Pedro Pascal quite a bit. I like the fact that he didn't wear a jacket. Why not? He's just a presenter. Who gives a shit?

[Lauren Garoni]

I know. But I do wonder where this ends. Right, because for a long time, men have not been wearing ties. Now we're not wearing blazers because he

[Chelsea Fairless]

had to show off that big, beautiful chrysanthemum brooch.

[Lauren Garoni]

Can we discuss the startling range, let's say, of the Louis Vuitton looks on the red carpet?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Where do you want to start?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I mean, let's just juxtapose Chase Infinity's outfit versus Emma Stone's outfit, which, thank God I didn't go on Polymarket. It was not, as we predicted, one of the last two looks from the latest collection, which sucks, because that would

[Chelsea Fairless]

have been a lot cooler for me. I actively disliked Chase Infinity's look for the same reasons that I dislike the Jessie Buckley look. I feel like anyone could have designed that or any evening gown designer. Somehow they managed to make a dress that does not reflect the aesthetic of either One of their creative directors at all.

[Lauren Garoni]

Correct. And also, I think I'm gonna sound real old school fashion police. But like the dress. Warhol, her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just don't understand what Louis Vuitton has to gain from putting something out like that. I just don't get it. Emma Stone. I guess I'm more just indifferent about that look.

[Lauren Garoni]

It was fine. They also dressed Ryan Coogler and his wife Zinzi Coogler. They looked great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They dressed Michael B. Jordan. Of course. Again, I was kind of indifferent towards that. Did they kill it with anyone like

[Lauren Garoni]

Renata R. Okay, that was good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good.

[Lauren Garoni]

However, did you see her Vanity Fair after party look? Because that was giving shine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was something I didn't see that. I thought she looked really chic at the Oscars. But again, Nicola Ghesquier's Louis Vuitton doesn't look like that. Pharrell's Louis Vuitton doesn't look like that. Although I have to applaud Carla Welch for being seemingly the only person that knows how to work with this Louis Vuitton, like VIP atelier in a sane way. Apart from maybe be whoever is styling the Heim sisters these days.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh yeah, the Heim sisters were an LV as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or just one of them. Were they all there? So I only saw Alana.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sorry, Alana. Heim.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Alana looked good. And Alana certainly looks like she's wearing something designed by Nicola Ghesquiere, which I can't really say for anyone else.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

off can we talk about my favorite alt girl? There's always one at the Oscars this year it was Chloe Zhao and Gabriella Hurst, who looked like the angel of Death or something.

[Lauren Garoni]

She wore a black veil, which many people took as a comment about the recent news that her Buffy reboot had been canceled, to which I saw this on the red carpet. She was like, no, it's for hamnids.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's also training to become a death doula, apparently.

[Lauren Garoni]

I saw that in an interview as

[Chelsea Fairless]

well, which I'm kind of inspired by. She was like, I'm so afraid of dying that like, if I don't get right with death, the second half of my life is going to be completely miserable.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, that's a fair way to think about it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's smart. It's proactive. Certainly.

[Lauren Garoni]

She seems to run a very cool set. She meditates with people before calling action. Seems like a cool place to be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So how are you coping with the Buffy news?

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm okay. I got several text messages about this. Certainly not as many as friend of the show Evan Ross Katz. But you know, I know that we give a lot of shit to Daddy MPK for and just like that. But I have to give credit to the actors of and just like that for being like, we're not making the show without him. Because I think the moment has passed with Buffy, Buffy and Buffy. For better, for worse. Mostly for worse comes from the brain of Joss Whedon. And without him, I don't think you really have anything. But I also don't think we should have a Joss Whedon rebooted version of Buffy. So I'm okay with this. The amount of press that's come out and has leaked. Right before we recorded, I saw some

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headline of Sarah Michelle Gellar, who unfortunately

[Lauren Garoni]

is promoting a different movie this week. That's the thing I Don't understand is why they released this news 36 hours before Chloe Zhao was going to be on the red carpet for a film that she was Oscar nominated for. And the week before Sarah Michelle Gellar was going on a big press tour for the film. Ready or not to I would imagine

[Chelsea Fairless]

as a fuck you to Hulu.

[Lauren Garoni]

Why that they keep talking about it?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, especially because of Chloe Zhao's Oscar nomination. It's like you fumbled the bag with something that people were really excited about with this incredibly critically acclaimed director.

[Lauren Garoni]

I know, but like Sarah Michelle Geller's quote was like, please don't go find the script or watch and I hope that the pilot doesn't leak right. So it seems unsalvageable and that's okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they tried.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who else do we got?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, we haven't talked about Timmy, who everyone shat on. I didn't think his look was bad. Like I wasn't thrilled by it, but I don't know why it inspired so much hatred.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think he can't do anything right. People pointed out they juxtaposed him in a white tux In I believe 2018 when he was first nominated with this look. I think people don't like how cocky he has been and people have thought that perhaps he did think he was going to win an Oscar that night. And so he wore an outfit that kind of looked like a version of what he wore the first time he was nominated to the Oscars.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's not like he looked super fashiony or anything.

[Lauren Garoni]

What I thought was funnier is that for the after party he wore an all white outfit, but it was just a chrome hearts version of what he wore on the red carpet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why not?

[Lauren Garoni]

My personal favorite menswear look was Buddy Guy who showed up in leather overalls and a polka dot button down shirt. I could not find an outfit credit anywhere. But he looked major and these are the types of risks I'm talking about that I would like people to start taking again on the red carpet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. What did you think about Gwyneth's Armani?

[Lauren Garoni]

Surprised it was Armani as opposed to Calvin Klein. It was very, very minimalist and white. I love it. I mean she's got the body to pull it off. Why not?

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. I guess I'm kind of indifferent towards it. I guess I didn't like how structured and like molded the bust was. But I guess it had to be that way for the dress to stay on her body since one side of the dress was completely open akin to to the Showgirls poster.

[Lauren Garoni]

She was well ventilated on a hot day. I'm sure she appreciated what she wore that night.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can we get into Demi, who had one of the more dramatic looks? I would say we are getting our

[Lauren Garoni]

first taste of Demna's Gucci on the red carpet. A lot of feathers. Very Bob Mackie. Wasn't expecting this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Very Dietrich. Very diva. It was a throwback to a feathered gown from the Frida Giannini era that I guess. Guess Evan Rachel Wood wore to the Golden Globes or something years ago, but a more like amped up, cunty version of that. Of course. I've been trying to forget about that era of Gucci for years now.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, Demna's not going to let you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But that was kind of the only Gucci dress that wasn't a skin tight, slinky body con crystal dress.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. Most notably, Kim Kardashian wore very much what we saw on the Runway a few weeks ago of Demna's vision for women in Gucci.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Didn't love.

[Lauren Garoni]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Didn't need that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also didn't need her to be wearing blue contacts.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. I see what they were trying to do with the glam, but I don't think it was successful because as we know, Kim Kardashian just isn't a messy person.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. And you could really tell how purposeful the messiness was if you watch the video of how she keeps trying to restructure and reposition in the messy over one eye hair that she has.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Also, I just think that the gown was genuinely boring. I get it. You're supposed to look like the Oscar, but the fucked up Hollywood Boulevard version

[Lauren Garoni]

of that, which we ourselves over the years have picked up a bunch of novelty Oscars at those shops. Of course, Laura Harrier was also in Demnaguchi at the Vanity Fair after party.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like that was the better crystal dress.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, it was. But here's the confusing thing. And we discussed this a lot when we were talking about this Gucci collection, but I don't know if you noticed this. Revolve has come out with their own collection. And several people at the Vanity Fair Oscar party were wearing the new Revolve line, which doesn't look too dissimilar to Demna's Gucci. So it was a little confusing, but I think that's what Demna's going for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Speaking of confusing, Fran Drescher was wearing a black form fitting sequin turtleneck gown. And for a split second, I was like, oh, my God, is This the Kate Moss Gucci.

[Lauren Garoni]

Are we about to see former Screen Actors Guild president in a G string Gucci thong?

[Chelsea Fairless]

But that's something she would have worn in the 90s. Totally.

[Lauren Garoni]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It actually is consistent with her style. But unfortunately, we did not get that fabulous reveal. Although she looked great. So to move on to the after party, what did you love?

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I've already talked about my love for Rose Byrne, but we can move on. I mean, Jessie Buckley was just in a better dress at the after party than she was on the red carpet, for sure. I did notice that Mia Goth was wearing a different Dior gown. And this one, it was very clear. It sort of goes against your point of being more casual at the Vanity Fair party. This was very voluminous, but I think it was a better choice because that would be very hard to sit down for three hours during an award show in that dress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved Mia Goth's Vanity Fair look. I preferred it to the one she actually wore to the Oscars. But I understand your point, and I

[Lauren Garoni]

was surprised to see Demi switched into a new gown for the Vanity Fair party. But it was Balenciaga, not Gucci. I don't know if it was Demna era. Balenciaga, probably.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I don't think she's wearing clothes from seasons past. Not to me. Some of these other bitches. Absolutely.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, speaking of which, can we talk about Julia Fox and Victor and Rolf? Because that was old. That was a 2022 spring summer couture look. And I'm just fascinated by that choice because, you know, the red carpet has been overrun by archival looks. Anya Taylor Joy was in a archival John Galliano look. Jim Franklin, just sick of. But, like, the idea of wearing something that's not exactly archival. Technically, it's just a few years old, and no one has worn it before. I thought it was cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I thought it was very cool. Also. That's kind of been the only good Victor and Rolf collection in a really long time. Or I remember thinking that, because that was the show that they did where it looked like everyone had these really high exaggerated shoulders.

[Lauren Garoni]

Uncle Fester, for lack of a better phrase.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I thought she looked great. Cool. I was into that. I loved Sarah Paulson, of course, in fecal matter. Best dressed at the party. Completely different silhouette than everyone else. Also, not a gown. An ensemble of some point. It seemed like a skirt with some sort of corset and then a jacket.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, her relationship with Carla Welch is, I think, one of the most successful styling Relationships in Hollywood right now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like it's also a little bit symbiotic. Not. Not that Carla Welch herself fully dresses like that, but kind of.

[Lauren Garoni]

And they also look quite similar depending on how short Sarah Paulson's hair is at the time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it seems like Sarah Paulson is like a slightly femmier version of Carla Welch.

[Lauren Garoni]

Do we need Persona? But it's about a relationship between an actress and a fashion stylist would watch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, Holland looked cute. Nice to see a woman of a certain age or an octogenarian in something other than like a satin pantsuit or like the world's ugliest, like long sleeved lace gown.

[Lauren Garoni]

I have to say they looked hot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Any other Celesbians?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, did you see Glennon Doyle and Abby?

[Lauren Garoni]

I did indeed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Glennon's journey from Christian mommy blogger to late in life lesbian with a pave crystal ice clutch is very inspiring to me.

[Lauren Garoni]

We love a late in life lesbian here on the Every Outfit podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who else? Oh, oh, the one lesbian Meryl Streep daughter looked cool.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can't really tell my gummers apart, but I know one of them's married to Mark Ronson. One of them's a lesbian. The other one I know nothing about.

[Lauren Garoni]

We're talking about the one that is on the Gilded Age, who chose a name that is neither Streep nor Gummer. So no one could tell that she's Meryl Streep's child.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Apart from the face, of course.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. But she was in. We talked about this during New York Fashion Week. Just the full leather Kate look.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I thought she looked cool. Great. I don't know if I need the wallet chain situation happening. That takes the look into Michael Jackson territory for me, but I thought she looked fabulous.

[Lauren Garoni]

There were two people that I thought looked very good. Dua Lipa was in Schiaparelli. Always a good combination of starlet and designer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I don't even think I saw that.

[Lauren Garoni]

It was very form fitting, very hot. Hailey Bieber was also there and I only want to bring it up because she was in Armani prive in a very, very not Armani prive looking outfit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yeah, leopard print is the last thing we associate with Armani.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved Bella Hadid in Prada. So gorgeous, so fab. These CBK bitches wish.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, speaking of which, maybe the most brilliant pairing of a designer and a star that we saw was Sarah Pigeon in Calvin Klein with a bag that looked like a CK bottle.

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Bottle.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The CK1 bottle or the CKB bottle? Either one.

[Lauren Garoni]

But I feel like this can only mean one thing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Was this a brand ambassador hard launch situation?

[Lauren Garoni]

I hope so. It can't just be Dakota Johnson in her underwear.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it would be very smart of Calvin Klein to have her be a brand ambassador. Although it would also be deeply sinister if you think about it. It from the sense that they're kind of profiting off of this heavily dramatized story about a former employee that had no say in it.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's fair. At the very least, it was a fun moment at the Vandy Fair party for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We also saw Connor's story in ysl.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I believe he was made for a sheer shirt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, very hot. I usually hate a sheer shirt, but he can pull it off. Also, I love the diamond necklace and the fur and such stuff.

[Lauren Garoni]

Can I give a special award for best plus one?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. To who?

[Lauren Garoni]

Leonard DiCaprio's latest girlfriend, Victoria Ceretti was in Alaia. It was burgundy. It was a form fitting dress with this circular kind of chest plate that went up to her clavicle. And best yet, she did not change into a different outfit for the after party. She stayed in the same dress all night. You know, this is my pet peeve. I have to call fallout. Chris Evans wife changed into a new dress for the after party. Look, I get it. You win an award, change into a different outfit for the Vanity Fair party. Diversify those photos. But your husband is a presenter. Why do you need to change into a new outfit for the after party?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I agree. Unless you are in a very constrictive gown and you are changing into a little slip dress or something. Something.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, she changed into a different gown.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I swear to God. They change into like even bigger gowns now. It's like so mental. See, I think the best plus one was Susie Cave in Tom Ford. She was probably the best dressed person there, honestly.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I heard from someone who got to speak to her that night that you know, and let's take this with a grain of salt, but allegedly vampire's wife is coming back.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Praise be. I also really love, loved Devon Lee Carlson in a Yves Saint Laurent gown that was very like Narciso doing Galliano for CBK kind of vibe. But I love that it was slit so high up the back that you actually saw her ass cheek, which I don't know if I've ever seen that before. I can't recall ever seeing that. Ass is on the menu. As Samantha once said.

[Lauren Garoni]

I can't believe it's. Taken us this long to discuss Kris Jenner and Chanel.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was crazy because she was clearly living out some sort of like Claudia Cardinale type Italian fantasy with that look like that was giving. Like what? What did Kim say? The her Dolce Vita lifestyle.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I don't know if you saw this from the Hollywood Reporter, but this is some anonymous person reporting from the Vanity Fair party that the lighting was so bright that it terrified the people that were there. This person goes, I genuinely feel bad for some of these women. One poor actress looked like a Dion Arbus character. She was on her phone looking at her photos and shrieking at her publicist. I heard that she went home and cried herself to sleep.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anyone know who that was? Please let us know. That sucks, though. The lighting shouldn't make you look like shit.

[Lauren Garoni]

No. If anything, that high wattage should make you look as ageless as Kris Jenner currently does. It's the cameras, okay? We don't need a canon to be able to take 8K photos.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Speaking of old school glamour, what did you think about Rita Ora's insane Mae west hat?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, yeah. Doesn't this go against your rule of like you should be wearing something simpler to the Vanity Fair party?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did she even go to the main Oscars, though?

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, I see. If you are only invited to the Vanity Fair Oscars party, then it's totally fine to pull an insane look.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if this is totally fine, but she did it.

[Lauren Garoni]

How many people do you think she knocked in the head with her Mae west hat?

[Chelsea Fairless]

God knows.

[Lauren Garoni]

Or do you think she took it off inside?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope she took it off inside.

[Lauren Garoni]

It doesn't even fit into that photo booth that everyone wants to take photos in. Can we also discuss. All right. If Holland Taylor and Sarah Paulson are the lesbian couple of the night is the straight couple of the night. Jeff Goldblum and his wife, Life Ass,

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was also on the menu for her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think they looked really cool. They pulled like an old school. Or not an old school, maybe more of a 90s VMAs style. Couples look right because both of their looks involved this, like black and white fur. I thought it was fun. They weren't taking it too seriously.

[Lauren Garoni]

They never do, and that's what's great about them. His wife, Emily Livingston, was in a bodysuit of which you could also see her ass cheeks when she turned turned back, which is how she posed in most of her couple's photos with Jeff Goldblum.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm into it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, boy. Is that it? For the Oscars.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's let that be it. I'm ready to move on.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. Honestly, I've been waiting all episode to get into these topics.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So, first of all, we wanted to get into this Gwyneth Paltrow auction at our favorite local auction house, Julian's.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, yes, we're going to talk about two auctions. So you want to start with Gwyneth Paltrow, because they're also doing one with Whoopi Goldberg.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that one ended already.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, there's a part two of. Really? Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I didn't see part two. I think I just saw part one.

[Lauren Garoni]

And why I want to bring up both of these Julian's auctions is because they're diametrically opposed, I feel, because Whoopi is doing an auction that you would expect from a celebrity, which is like, clearly, she's moving out of a house. House. She's clearing out a storage unit. Gwyneth Paltrow is treating this Julian's auction like it's her very own Kardashians closet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, there's some very good clothes in this auction, I will say. Although there is a lot of, like, G Label, it'll be like, a lot of, like, 3G label skirts. And it's like, you don't even care about this anymore.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh. This sale might as well be called the stuff Apple Martin didn't want. Closet sale, G Label sample sale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There is some really great stuff there in it, but it's all things that I can't imagine her ever wearing. Like that pink Vivienne Westwood bondage suit. Like, when did she wear that?

[Lauren Garoni]

So I've looked at this sale several times, and they trick you because the first 20 lots are Gwyneth Paltrows. But I believe Julian's auction is using this Gwyneth Paltrow auction to launder other designer stuff they have. Because at a certain point. Point it's just random designer pieces that are not related to Gwyneth Paltrow are not owned by Gwyneth Paltrow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, what?

[Lauren Garoni]

Go to the auction. Scroll down.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that explains a lot.

[Lauren Garoni]

But the first 20, 30 pieces are hers. But it's stuff like, remember the famous pink Ralph Lauren Oscar dress she wore when she won her Oscar? Well, that's not for sale. But the illustrations are.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But why is she selling that? Like, she can't be that hard up. Like, I fundamentally don't understand this sale because it's like, why is she selling a couple of random Restoration Hardware club chairs?

[Lauren Garoni]

Right? I mean, there's stuff Like Gwyneth Paltrow's Mark and Graham Toten hat. And the hat is customized with Mrs. Falchuk. And the caption says, gwyneth was photographed wearing these pieces at the Four Season Resort resort in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, for her hen weekend in April 2018. And it's like, okay, clearly one of her friends or an assistant or maybe even Mark and Graham themselves sent this to her and now she's selling it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She has way too much personalized shit and is selling all of it in this auction.

[Lauren Garoni]

My favorite offering is a lot called Gwyneth Paltrow 2024 Instagram look Givenchy black silk blouse and Arlo skirt with image.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Why is she selling autographed 8x10s, though?

[Lauren Garoni]

To make buying a tote hat that has her husband's name on it worth it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I guess I'm just confused. Like, to me, this seems like stuff that should just be, like, given away.

[Lauren Garoni]

There is some good stuff. So there is a Johnny Versace silk jacket with the original tag still attached. And the description of this piece of piece does not give me the gossip I want because it's a beautiful piece that she's never worn. Like, clearly it's from the 90s. So why does it have the original tags? Like, did Harvey Weinstein gift this to her? And she's like, this is just a cursed object.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Versace probably gave it to her.

[Lauren Garoni]

But why does it have the original tag still?

[Chelsea Fairless]

She never wore it. It didn't suit her. Then she hung on to it. I'm sure this woman has been given so much stuff over the years, and I'm sure that half of this stuff is directly from the brands I would imagine.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. And I guess Apple Martin didn't want that piece. That's like the only piece I would bid on because I'm like, I would wear that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There was also a really great Versace ensemble that was like a gray tunic with a matching pant, and it had this kind of beaded coral trim. I feel like modest Versace is always a good look. And of course, that image of CBK in her, like, white long sleeve Versace gown has been all over the Internet recently. I feel like this Versace ensemble was from a similar time period for sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

So to me, the far more interesting sale is the Whoopi Goldberg sale, which

[Chelsea Fairless]

just reinforced everything I knew about Whoopi Goldberg, which is that the only shit that she cares about buying is, like, art deco furniture. Weird. Like, novelty high heels from like, Charlotte Olympia and, like, a regular choice. And she and then like racist memorabilia like cookie jars and figurines and shit.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which she's talked about before on the

[Lauren Garoni]

View and now she's trying to unload.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's like, I have way too many racist teapots, guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I would say that the most surprising lot for sale and I sent it to you, was just a ceramic bust of Chinese man.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I found that to be odd also.

[Lauren Garoni]

So there's memorabilia, there's costumes, furniture, jewelry.

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[Lauren Garoni]

several lots of loose gemstones. What is going on? I need the professional closet organizer that like went through her stuff and helped identify what was going to be sold for, as I said, the two part Julian's auction.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow, I gotta check out part two.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, another thing that I gleaned from this sale is that it's clear that Whoopi designs or has someone design a custom ornament for her herself. And perhaps that's what she sends out with her Christmas cards. Because there's one whoopee themed ornament for literally the last 10 years that are for sale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She also has a lot of her own memorabilia, more than I would expect her to keep. Like, why do you have a framed boys on the side poster?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I was so close to buying you the signed by Whoopi boys on the side custom art that must have been used during production. If it was a signed poster, I would have gotten it for you. But it was a little rare.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The poster wasn't signed and I saw that it sold for like $150 or something. I love that movie. But not enough to have a framed boys on the side poster in my house for life.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, it's very interesting what matters to her versus what doesn't because there's a Sister act clearly used like walk on mat that is for sale. At least to me. It's clear that she has kept her costumes from Sister act, but she is selling her costumes from Karina. Karina.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's fine. As long as she has Dolores Van Cartier's purple fur coat from the beginning of Sister act, we're good.

[Lauren Garoni]

And guys, do not worry. We are well aware that the next Julian's auction that is up is an end. Just like that propping costume auction.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They've currently only released a few images of items that are in the sale. The most noteworthy I would say being the Love Samantha card that accompanied the floral arrangement that she sent to Mr. Biggs funeral. There's also a copy of Carrie Bradshaw's grief memoir Loved and Lost.

[Lauren Garoni]

We Might need that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'm interested in that.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't need LTW's tennis outfit, but I might need the fake widow memoir production prop that Carrie wrote.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'm curious to see how many items are in this sale and when it's actually happening, because I don't think that's been announced either.

[Lauren Garoni]

I believe it begins April 3, and then it goes for the entire month. It's a very long sale.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I'm sure we'll find something that strikes our fancy.

[Lauren Garoni]

Shall we move on to something else that caught our attention this week, which is they are remaking Single White Females male. The writer of Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, Sarah de Lapp, has been tasked with remaking Single White Female. It is now called Single Female. It will start Jenna.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sorry, I'm still not over that, but continue.

[Lauren Garoni]

It will start Jenna Ortega and Taylor Russell, which is probably why it has shifted to Single Female.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. There is no logical excuse for it being called Single Female.

[Lauren Garoni]

It does not roll off the tongue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, like, I'm here for a race swapped version of Single White Female, but this title is crazy. Especially when Single Black Female is right there.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right? For those who have not seen Single White Female, it is based on a book called SWF Seek Same from 1990. This, of course, stood for Single White Female Seeks Same, which was a newspaper ad. In the movie, they do not say Seek same aim. But the story concerns Bridget Fonda, who is cheated on by her boyfriend. She moves into an apartment, she seeks a roommate, and Jennifer Jason Lee shows up. And Jennifer Jason Leigh increasingly becomes obsessed with her and becomes her. Which is funny that they cast two famously blonde actresses and then made Bridget Fonda get a very bizarre, very Miranda Hobbs at the beginning of Sex and the City 2 Red bowl cut.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it was very that. And I wonder what hairstyle they are going to give these two women, because I can imagine this working based on the way that they both look physically. I think with a very specific hairstyle and the right makeup, I can see this happening for sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, this does beg the question. I don't know how to say it any other way, but people keep calling this a woke remake of Single White Female Female, but perhaps it's anti woke if they're gonna follow the plot. At the very least that one of them becomes obsessed with the other and then starts becoming and looking like the other one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Jenna Ortega may be blackfishing is what you're saying?

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know. I mean, this is the writer of Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. I have to think that there's going to be a satirical element to this film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And I wonder what the racial politics of the film are going to be. Simply because obviously the removal of any indication of race from the title does feel pointed.

[Lauren Garoni]

There's no way that they keep that title. This is also my issue with remakes in general because I understand the studio logic of this, right. Which is we'll pick a title of a successful film and we'll remake it. Because there's IP in that people kind of know what the movie is. But this has never made sense to me because either people know what the film is, is, and like the original and aren't going to see a remake, or people don't know what the original is and aren't going to see this remake.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, you can make a single white female type movie and not use the single white female ip. Like that's basically what Ingrid Goes west was, right? I don't see the point of doing it if the title isn't going to somewhat resemble what it was, even if it's single Latina female. Maybe that's too much. Many syllables. But because the race doesn't have to apply to both actresses, it's just the one that places the ad.

[Lauren Garoni]

But again, a big point of the film is they both look eerily identical to each other by the end. So I just am wondering what the premise of this remake could possibly be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, I would guess that they will find another scarily specific hairstyle that will unite these women. Women. And with the right makeup. But of course it has to be incredibly convincing because one of them has to blow the other one's boyfriend.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm glad you said it and not me because I'm tired of getting negative comments that I spoil movies from 30 or 40 years ago. But yes, the most infamous fucking scene is that Bridget Fonda's boyfriend can't tell that he's not getting blown by Bridget Fonda because Jennifer Jason Leigh has the same fucking haircut.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, who knows, they could both have like plain platinum Louise Brooks haircuts or something for all we know.

[Lauren Garoni]

If you haven't seen the original film, I highly recommend it. It is a good low key woman with a fashion job film. Because if you remember, Bridget Fonda is

[Chelsea Fairless]

like a swimwear designer.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think she's like a cad designer for a swimwear company.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, yeah, I love it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Speaking of designers, our world was rocked by the news that John Gallian know is coming back to an atelier. But that atelier is Zara.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm not that Surprised by it. He wanted that check. Like, is that so crazy? I don't think this necessarily indicates that this will be his only job for the rest of time.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is very true. He signed a two year creative partnership with Zara that will see him, quote, re author the brand's archives.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And that's bizarre because the archive is. Is copies of clothing from famous fashion designers. I want to see him interpret his archive for Zara, not the other way around.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's just a funny way to phrase it. Like, if John Galliano was designing a seasonal collection for Zara, that would be one thing. But to refer to it several times in the press release of like, oh, I've been curating their archives, or I'm re authoring things from the archive. I don't know what that means.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is he like, literally deconstructing pieces from the archive and turning them into new pieces? Because that would be kind of cool.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's interesting and surprisingly sustainable.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm surprised at the extent of the backlash around this.

[Lauren Garoni]

Is there backlash?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've seen a lot of backlash. That's like, ew, fast fashion. And I'm just kind of like, where do you guys show shop? Because most people I know are buying clothes at Zara or Uniqlo or Target or something. I know very few people that either exclusively wear designer or exclusively wear vintage.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. And there is this kind of no win argument where it feels like the people who are like, ooh, he's designing for Zara. Fast fashion are the same people that are like, designer, luxury clothes should be more affordable. And it's like, you can't have it both ways. No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I think we have to clarify what we mean by fast fashion. I always love to hear what Jeremy Lewis has to say. He has the Instagram handle ewismag, and he made the point that people are using the term fast fashion very liberally to describe what is essentially mass market clothing. And that there is actually a difference, because fast fashion is. Is like, let's take something from the Runway, knock it off before it even hits stores at Chloe or Prada or wherever, and make a shitload of this very trendy piece that will then immediately go into a landfill. Whereas mass market clothes aren't necessarily trendy.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's funny, speaking of the Oscars, you saying that made me think of. I feel like in the early 2000s, there was a thing, I think the brand was ABS Schwartz or something. Something where they would famously knock off the most famous Oscar dresses and, like, have them available within a week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was Great. So you could wear like Gwyneth Paltrow's Ralph Lauren dress to prom or whatever.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, that's fast fashion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. So I think that criticism is a little elitist also because isn't the whole argument with fast fashion that these clothes go out of fashion quite quickly if Galliano has proved anything is that he's been a designer that has been able to design clothes that people still care about years later.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I feel like it is on the consumer just because you buy clothing from a quote unquote fast fashion retailer. I think it also got a bad name because of style bloggers and this idea of constantly needing, needing to be wearing new clothing, different outfits. If you have pieces from a Uniqlo Azara for years to come, then it's not fast fashion. You are consuming it in a semi ethical way if you have it in your closet for years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. But I wonder what the price point will be because Zara does randomly make clothes that are expensive here and there or more expensive than you would expect.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I feel like this hasn't been in the conversation enough, which is is there's a lot of conversation about why John Galliano would do this. Not enough conversation, in my opinion, about why Zara is doing this. Because they have really refocused in the last couple years of going more upmarket. Let's say, you know, they now have their Zara home offering, which has some pretty incredibly designed stuff.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, well, they don't want to be perceived as being in the same category as Shine and Fashion Nova.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And this is a very strategic way to distance themselves from that further. And I can't blame them. And I think that's the right thing to do.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also, as I referenced earlier in this episode, you know, Revolve has their own line, Zara having an in house collection with John Galliano. It might be a price point that is more expensive than the most expensive Zara clothing item, but less than a designer piece.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which is an interesting price category to be in. So we'll see.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I do want to point out that you can get some very good deals on Galliano Margiela, particularly menswear on the RealReal. That may perhaps be even cheaper than some of this Zara stuff when it hits stores.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, before we go, do we have anything to apologize for?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't have anything.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think I should apologize because it's come to my attention that some people were insulted that in discussing the Sylvia Plath adaptation and Billie Eilish being cast as Esther, I did refer to the fact that I didn't imagine Esther having big fat naturals and some people took offense to that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sorry. Just the way you said big fat naturals really got me.

[Lauren Garoni]

If you were insulted, I'm sorry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do better.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'll try to do better. Next week is when it starts where we will be doing a Sex in the City rewatch episode. Episode? What episode? We don't even know yet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We shall see. Bye, guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Bye.

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