271: A Divalicious Mailbag Episode

Summary

Every Outfit — Episode 271: A Divalicious Mailbag Episode
May 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this delightfully sprawling mailbag episode, Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garroni field questions and voicemails from their devoted "Fuckette" audience, riffing on everything from fashion auction psychoses and the latest pop culture headlines to deeply specific "Sex and the City" minutiae, reality TV memories, and fashion hot takes. With their signature wit, cultural savvy, and affectionate snark, the hosts serve up a buffet of personal stories, expert opinions, and nostalgia-soaked debates—making this a must-listen for fans of fashion gossip, pop culture, and comedic best friend banter.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. The "And Just Like That" Prop Auction Madness

Timestamps: [01:12]–[08:41], [26:48]–[28:49]

• Both hosts recount the chaos and competitive insanity of bidding on "And Just Like That" props, including their failed attempt to win Mr. Big’s shower knobs (“Some other psycho... spent $800 on this? I’m sorry, we just couldn’t.” – Lauren, [04:05]).
• They discuss the irrationality and gendered psychology of live auctions.

  “Auctions are gambling for women and gay men.” – Lauren ([07:13])
  “And Just Like That was its own form of, like, psychosis and self-harm, really, for the viewer.” – Chelsea ([07:24])

• They’re both baffled by the “insane” prices paid (e.g., $3,500 for Carrie’s personalized stationery, $25,000 for a fake Rolex).
• On a happy note, they win Che Diaz’s XY&ME mug for $200.

2. Pop Diva Sightings & Concert Reviews

Timestamps: [10:31]–[13:34]

• Chelsea shares her report from Madonna’s club appearance at The Abbey in West Hollywood (“She looked hot. She looked amazing.” – Chelsea, [11:01]), bumping into the likes of Julia Fox, Addison Rae, Cara Delevingne, and Lily Allen.
• They recount the failed attempt to see Trisha Paytas live and speculate on Trisha’s perennial fame (“This is a woman who’s just obsessed with being famous and through just raw manifestation and HPV was able to do it.” – Lauren, [14:41]).

3. Dishing on "White Lotus" Casting Drama

Timestamps: [15:05]–[19:03]

• Helena Bonham Carter exiting the new "White Lotus" season mid-shoot stirs debate, particularly HBO’s pointed phrasing in their statement (“the character Mike White created for Helena Bonham Carter did not align once on set” – Lauren, [15:28]).
• They highlight the quick recasting with Laura Dern, referencing her deep relationship with HBO and Mike White ("They made a movie together called Year of the Dog and a show called Enlightened." – Lauren, [17:02]), plus their dream of Jennifer Tilly getting the role.
• They compare other infamous actor replacements, like Ryan Gosling’s weight gain fiasco for "The Lovely Bones" ([19:03]) and Eric Stoltz being replaced by Michael J. Fox in "Back to the Future."

4. Pop Star Music Video Critiques

Timestamps: [20:35]–[22:42]

• Reviewing the new Lady Gaga and Doja Cat track for "The Devil Wears Prada 2":

  “That’s how little impact the song had on me personally.” – Chelsea ([20:34])
  “It feels like this song was reverse engineered for the Devil Wears Prada sequel promo. It doesn’t feel authentic, but it feels appropriate for this film.” – Lauren ([22:17])

• Praise for the ball gowns by Claire Sullivan in the video (“A real Galliano throwback. That was cute.” – Chelsea, [22:32]).

5. The Art of Sequels and Titles

Timestamps: [22:45]–[26:46]

• Responding to a listener's gripe about number-only sequel titles, Lauren and Chelsea brainstorm alternates for "The Devil Wears Prada 2" ("Devil Wears Prada: That’s All", "2 Devil 2 Prada", "The Devil Still Wears Prada", "Devil Wears Prada: Tokyo Drift").

• “The best sequel title I think is Mamma Mia: Here We Go Again.” – Chelsea ([25:36])
  “Sister Act 2: Back in the Habit.” – Lauren ([25:49])

6. "Sex and the City" Ethics & Hypotheticals

Timestamps: [28:49]–[34:10]

• Spicy debates about the worst things done by the SATC leads—Carrie’s affair and Natasha’s injury top the list; Charlotte’s housing swindle; Samantha’s affairs with married men; Miranda’s infidelity and sabotaging Carrie’s wedding.

  “Sleeping with a married man in his home... and then disfiguring his wife? Definitely the worst thing Carrie’s done.” – Chelsea ([29:11])

• Fun detour: Lauren’s twisted takes on what unscripted criminal acts they might have committed, much to Chelsea’s horror.

7. "And Just Like That" Finale — Bittersweet?

Timestamps: [34:10]–[35:14]

• The hosts are ready to move on:

  “As someone that doesn’t enjoy being a hater... it did involve emotional labor talking about this show for as long as we did. So I’m at peace.” – Chelsea ([34:58])

8. On Unwritten Gender Identity Scenes

Timestamps: [35:14]–[36:27]

• Why didn’t Rock and Che Diaz have a heart-to-heart?

  “I think they showed a lot of restraint in not doing that, because And Just Like That often did veer into afterschool special territory.” – Chelsea ([35:46])

• Che’s imagined intervention sparks a hilarious hypothetical.

9. Highly Specific Pop Culture Questions

Timestamps: [38:14]–[40:27]

• Did Slayyyter sample Carrie Bradshaw’s “porn noises” for her new song "Crank"? The hosts compare and approve the reference, noting Slayyyter’s obvious Y2K inspirations.

  “She has watched Sex in the City 10,000 times. No question.” – Chelsea ([39:54])

10. Deep Fashion & Cultural Real Talk

Timestamps: [41:17]–[42:23]

• How bad did Carrie Bradshaw’s apartment smell?

  “No amount of Diptyque can offset smoking a pack of Marlboro Lights a day.” – Chelsea ([40:46])

• “Rivalry” cast at Met Gala = good brand move; speculation about who will dress whom.

11. Listener Mail: Advice & Anecdotes

Timestamps: [54:36]–end

• Who should design Taylor Swift’s wedding dress? (Oscar de la Renta or Alessandro Michele for Valentino are leading picks; “big poofy skirt” energy. Lauren v. Chelsea, [54:55])
• Divorce party etiquette, break-up recovery strategies, fashion for meeting the in-laws ("Less is always more with a fashion person. Do not try to pull a look." – Chelsea, [86:17])
• Favorite old Hollywood crushes (Lauren: Burt Lancaster & Anthony Perkins; Chelsea: Marlene Dietrich, [76:00])
• Unfollowing the dead on Instagram: "I never unfollow dead people." – Chelsea, [80:27]
• The "Swan" reality show: horror stories, Hulu doc forthcoming, and the ethics of extreme makeover culture.

12. Fashion Hot Takes

Timestamps: [87:06]–[91:47]

• The controversial Chanel "half shoe" sandal from the cruise collection—defended as extremely appropriate for yacht life:

  “There’s not a function for much of fashion.” – Chelsea ([88:04])
  “I’m sure Kris Jenner will have them in every color for yacht season.” – Chelsea ([88:15])

• The new Chanel newspaper print (“That would have a thousand percent been on Carrie in season four.” – Lauren, [90:24]), and the show’s overall creativity under new design leadership.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On auction sickness:
  “They're even sicker fucks than us.” — Chelsea ([04:48])
• On TGIF viewing:
  “Auctions are gambling for women and gay men.” — Lauren ([07:13])
• On pop stardom:
  “This is a woman who's just obsessed with being famous and through just raw manifestation and HPV was able to do it.” — Lauren ([14:41])
• On sequel titles:
  “Devil Wears Prada: Did Someone Eat an Onion Bagel?” — Lauren ([24:01]) “2 Devil 2 Prada” — Lauren ([24:32])
• On Sex and the City misdeeds:
  “Sleeping with a married man in his home and getting caught in his home and then, yes, disfiguring his wife. Definitely the worst thing that Carrie's done.” — Chelsea ([29:11]) “She swindled an elderly woman out of her apartment.” — Chelsea ([30:17])
• On divorce parties:
  “The world is dark, things are fucked up. I think we should be celebrating more. Anything, anywhere.” — Lauren ([84:56])
• On meeting a fashionista mother-in-law:
  “Less is always more with a fashion person. Do not try to pull a look... Chick, timeless.” — Chelsea ([86:17])
• On fashion that's just for fun:
  "There's not a function for much of fashion." – Chelsea ([88:04])
• On being a hater:
  "As someone that doesn’t enjoy being a hater... it did involve emotional labor talking about this show for as long as we did. So I’m at peace." – Chelsea ([34:58])

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Fun & Noteworthy Moments

• [40:21] Chelsea admits, “Her clothes are nasty. That’s real talk,” about Carrie Bradshaw’s cigarette-infused wardrobe.
• [39:43] Chelsea suggests Slayyyter might do a remix with more "Carrie sounds."
• [46:06] The duo explains their meticulous (and long-delayed) plans for launching Every Outfit TV: “We built a soundproof studio only to figure out that it’s not big enough to shoot video content in.” (Lauren, [43:07])
• [72:27] Listeners call in with stories about roleplay as Miranda Priestly and fetishwear history in high fashion (Vivienne Westwood and Jean Paul Gaultier get their due).

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Final Thoughts

This two-hour episode is a rollicking ride through the chaotic, glamorous, and deeply weird world of fashion and pop culture commentary, led by two best friends at the top of their game. Chelsea and Lauren’s encyclopedic recall (and hilariously off-kilter theories) make answers feel more like comedy bits than dry advice. Listeners come away feeling both “seen” and smarter about the absurd universe of celebrity style. If you love niche pop references, fashion history, or hearing your own burning questions over-analyzed by people who clearly have the receipts, don’t miss this mailbag.

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Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Caller/Listener]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, no.

[Caller/Listener]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

only $1.50, so stop dreaming about breakfast

[Chelsea Fairless]

sausage and go get it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Get more value on the under $3 menu. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Prices may be higher for Delivery.

[Lauren Garoni]

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty? Oral The Spring Crunch Fire on whole.

[Caller/Listener]

Great gowns.

[Lauren Garoni]

Beautiful gowns.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Lauren Garoni]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garoni.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garoni]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. Apologies that this episode is coming out a bit later than usual. We are recording it later than we usually do for two reasons. One, Chelsea literally just got off an airplane. And also, I needed to watch the live stream of the. And just like that auction, the day finally has come.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I did watch a bit of it on the plane before we took off.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I was shocked at the beginning of the auction. The woman auctioneer, who was very talented, was like, hey, if you're here in Southern California, come on down, we have coffee. And I was like, what the fuck? We were at this. And just like that preview a week ago, and not a one Julian's auction employee was like, hey, come in person to bid on this. I didn't know that that was possible. I didn't know they had an office in Los Angeles. Turns out it's actually in Gardenia.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I did know that they did live auctions, but for some reason I thought the and just like that auction was like, relegated to online only. I don't know why I thought this, but I would have been there.

[Lauren Garoni]

I am glad that I wasn't there because quite like your feeling that if you ever went to the Mosaic Church, you would feel the need to become a member and be a part of this alleged cult. I worry that if I had been there at the Julian's auction in person, I would have put us into tremendous

[Chelsea Fairless]

credit card debt buying Miranda's old clothes. Even as I was watching the auction happening live, I was discovering new Lots in the end, just like that auction. Like Miranda's beach cleaning outfit from that time she went to Malibu. Remember when a woman at her AA meeting, like, recruited her to go clean up seaweed on the beach?

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, you sent me the description. They were like, this is the time that Miranda cleaned up seaweed. We had a conversation this morning and we were like, okay, we need to get serious. We need to figure out the lots that we're going to bid on and we need to agree on the maximum bid. And boy, were we wrong about what stuff was going to go for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. I thought that people would spend money on the clothes and stuff, but I thought that only freaks like us would want the really morbid, really esoteric lots. Like the Mr. Big Shower Knobs. We did bid on those, but we were unwilling to pay $800.

[Lauren Garoni]

So I had put a maximum bid of 450. And I was the top bid until the live auction actually happened. Chelsea was with her best friend and I called you on the phone interrupting your time together and I was like, do we go up to 600? What do we do? I need a sanity check. And listeners, we went up to $650. And some other psycho. Was it one of you guys spent $800 on this? I'm sorry, we just couldn't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know what? Wouldn't it be so amazing if we were outbid by someone that actually wants to give them to us?

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, it's a Samantha and Smith Jared diamond ring situation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. Because what other fucking sicko like who wants this?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I hope that one of our dear listeners is one of the psychos that spent $2,500 on a prop copy of Carrie Bradshaw's Loved and Lost.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So nuts. We also bid on the Love Samantha card that came with the flowers that she sent to Mr. Big's funeral. There was five of them that were auctioned off.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, so this is a two day sale. So. So three of them were auctioned today. Two more will be auctioned tomorrow. Our thought was to bid on the cheapest and hooiest lot of them. Ironically, somehow the Love Samantha Prop C was cheaper than the Love Samantha Prop D. Go figure. However, that was all child's play until the live auction. Every card went for more and more money. The first one went for $896, which we thought was insane.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This, that's a bargain.

[Lauren Garoni]

Because the second one went for $1,152. And the last one sold on the first day of this auction went for $2880.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So nuts.

[Lauren Garoni]

But Chelsea, there was one more lot that we decided to bid on. And I do have some good news. We were able to buy the XY&ME mug.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For how much?

[Lauren Garoni]

For a whopping $200. And let me tell you, I. I put in that $200 bid, and when it got to the live auction, my finger was ready to press 250 if need be. Didn't have to. No one else bid.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's kind of fitting that we're walking away from this auction with Che Diaz's mug and that's all.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, the other crazy thing is that the Che Pasa lot, which was the lot of items around Che Diaz's fictional television show Che Pasa, went for nearly $900. Who are these psychos?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Truly.

[Lauren Garoni]

Now I was able to look up because I was curious, out of everything that's sold today, what was the most expensive thing that sold? Because when we were initially looking at the different lots, the most expensive thing was this Mr. Big Rolex, which a listener explained to us is actually fake.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But how do they know that? I say this is someone that doesn't know shit about watches.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, when I was watching the live auction, the auctioneer was like, this is a problem drop, which to me confirmed that it was not a real Rolex, which is why this lot went for only, oh, $25,000.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh my God. If someone bought that just for the

[Lauren Garoni]

watch, at that point you're not even getting a deal on a Rolex.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't understand what's happening. This is a mental illness. I came out of today with the belief that auctions are gambling for women and gay men.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also it's tied to. And just like that, which was its own form of like psychosis and self harm, really, for the viewer.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, that's the only way to explain that. The second most expensive thing sold today was a collection of 97 vinyl records that were in Carrie and Big's apartment that went for $7,680.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why? But wait, that lot doesn't include the hello, it's me record, right? That was a separate prop.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, that was its own separate lot. And they went out of their way to say that it was a prop, which makes me think that there's no actual vinyl record in there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You could buy one for $2 on eBay.

[Lauren Garoni]

I will tell you, you know who really won is I think all of the vintage furniture dealers that were bidding on the furniture from men. Just like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What, you think those were like more reasonable prices or maybe More value for your money.

[Lauren Garoni]

I definitely think that there was a level of person bidding and buying those things that understood the value and they were probably undervalued. And they can definitely flip those items. Certainly more than the person who spent $3,500 on Carrie Bradshaw's personalized stationery.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is so insane.

[Lauren Garoni]

Guys, are we okay?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Clearly not.

[Lauren Garoni]

We thought we would be the most deranged people in this auction.

[Chelsea Fairless]

As it turns out, they're even sicker fucks than us. Anyway. We have hotline calls to answer. We have questions from Instagram to answer.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so Madonna made a club appearance at the Abbey. For those of you who aren't gay and for those of you who don't live in Los Angeles, the Abbey is the biggest gay club in West Hollywood and perhaps the country. And Madonna came. She didn't perform, but she like got behind the DJ deck and like Played a bunch of songs from her new album, her new single, some unreleased stuff. She played hung up. She looked hot. She looked amazing. And what else? Oh, she played Thief of Hearts from Erotica, which I thought was cool, but the crowd was very fun. It was lots of it. Girls, Julia Fox, Addison Rae, Cara Delevingne. That kind of vibe, every gay man I know.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also, you did text me about your evening, and unfortunately, because of my dyslexia, you were trying to explain that our friends Patrick and Michael were there. And I mistakenly read it as thinking that Michael Patrick King, Daddy MPK was at the Abbey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's really sad that he wasn't. Or at least I didn't see him. He may have been there were some, like, elite power gays in the mix.

[Lauren Garoni]

For sure, you had quite the evening because you went to Lily Allen first.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I went to Lily Allen first and then actually I saw Lily Allen again at the Abbey because, I mean, think about the crowd. Like, all of the gay guys I ran into at Lily Allen also went to the Abbey directly after.

[Lauren Garoni]

And you told me that Trisha Paytas was Madeline.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Trisha Paytas was Madeline. Our girl. I love that. I tried to surprise Lauren with tickets to this concert for her birthday, but she booked a last minute trip on that day. You would have loved to see Trisha in person. She was perfect, obviously.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, we're gonna see her next weekend, so it's fine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I didn't tell you, but she canceled her show.

[Lauren Garoni]

Shut the fuck up. She can't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I swear to God. Dad got an email from the, like, Ticketmaster or whatever.

[Lauren Garoni]

Like, yesterday she canceled on the obsc. Indio Casino.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. So I think, like, we should go to Palm Springs another time. I mean, if you really want to go, we can still go, but I feel like we might as well go when there's something fun to do. Like, maybe Deborah Vance is performing soon.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I'm surprised that you're not suggesting that we fly to Trisha's London date instead.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Anyway, I love how I tried to get you to Trisha Paytas, like, in both scenarios, and neither of which worked out for you.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's not meant to be, but Lily Allen was great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was a really fun show and really, like, wild, because she just did the album, top to bottom, no encore.

[Lauren Garoni]

Wait, we had this discussion and you were convinced that she was gonna play her hits in the encore?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Fuck, you would have made sense thematically, but no, she did have a string quartet play all of her biggest songs, like, as an opener, which was cute.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. I mean, I commend her for committing

[Chelsea Fairless]

to the bit, but, yeah, it was a fun night. You were missed.

[Lauren Garoni]

Thank you. And I guess I will miss Trisha Paytas. Although I saw that she's not only going to be on Euphoria this season, but seemingly in tonight's episode of Hacks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's cool. Someone asked us what a good entry point would be for Trisha Paytas. Do you have any recommendations? Because I don't really know. Like, I am less familiar with the lore of Trisha as other people, I've gotten into her. Because you and Tat are obsessed with her.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think your best bet is to just find a video on YouTube that explains the lore of Trisha Paytas. Like, there's a very good video. I don't know who did it, but they charted the rise and fall of Frenemies, which was a podcast that she did with Ethan Klein, which was sort of my entry point to her that gets into her problematic nature.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But even before that, like, I did see a clip of her on the Ellen DeGeneres show, like, 10,000 years ago. Because isn't she in the Guinness Book of World Records for being, like, the fastest talker or something? Or the fastest reader or.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, she spoke very, very fast. I mean, this is a woman who's just obsessed with being famous and through just raw manifestation and HPV was able to do it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And charisma. Let's be real. Anyway, speaking of divas we love, we have another question. Thoughts on Helena Bonham Carter being recast on the White Lotus.

[Lauren Garoni]

So, yes, over the weekend, I think it broke that even though the fourth season of the White Lotus is underway and filming, Helena Bonham Carter has left the cast, which was pretty shocking because while not unheard of, it is quite rare for an actor to be fired while filming is going on.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, some shit must have gone down.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. HBO even released a statement they said while filming just underway on season four of the White Lotus, it had become apparent that the character which Mike White created for Helena Bonham Carter did not align once on set. The Mike White created for Helena Bonham Carter feels quite pointed. Yeah, Just reading between the lines. Oh, totally. They later went on to say, this role has subsequently been rethought, is being rewritten and will be recast in the coming weeks. Well, it didn't take weeks to be recast, did it, Chelsea?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Laura Dern was announced maybe two, three days later, if that. There was a brief rumor that she was going to be replaced with Jennifer Tilly before that. Which I'm kind of sad that that didn't happen.

[Lauren Garoni]

I know. I gotta say, I love her work on the Real Housewives, but I love her work more in movies and television. And that would have been what felt like a fitting replacement. But I think that was just a rumor that then actual semi reputable Twitter outlets started reporting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Also, I don't think we ever talked about Jennifer Tilly's incredible Housewives reunion look. The best look anyone has ever had at one of those. As far as I'm concerned, having watched

[Lauren Garoni]

almost none of them, you're like, I can confidently say you don't have to watch them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, I see the clips on Instagram. It's not as if I don't know what these bitches look like.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Jennifer Tilly, if you don't watch these clips on Instagram, was wearing a ball man dress with her face on

[Chelsea Fairless]

it and like the most insane hair I've ever seen look.

[Lauren Garoni]

Would we have loved for Jennifer Tilly to be on the White Lotus? Yes. There's always room for season five. However, it does make a lot of sense that Laura Dern would come in. She has a pre existing relationship with Mike White. They made a movie together called Year of the Dog. I think more people probably know that they created a show together called Enlightened that ran for two seasons. And then also Laura Dern is not a stranger to hbo because Enlightened was on hbo and then she was also in Big Little Lies, which allegedly is getting a third season.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What happened there? I mean, I know Jean Marc Vallee. Is that his name? He died and that sucks. But like, you would think that they would just replace him because that show is so popular. Although the second season. Does anyone remember what happened in the second season?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, Jean Marc Valli died after the first season and I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So they already replaced him.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. I think it was Andrea Arnold who ended up directing the second season, which I think did not go as smoothly as one had hoped. But it's David E. Kelly who wrote

[Chelsea Fairless]

both seasons, and Laura Dern was one of the standouts from season two, as

[Lauren Garoni]

I recall to your point of like, what even happened in season two?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Meryl Streep was there.

[Lauren Garoni]

Meryl Streep was there avenging her son's death, I guess.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And at the end, they all went to the police station. That's literally all that I remember.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, and then Laura Dern's husband lost all of their money and we got the infamous I will not not be rich.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Laura Dern joins Vincent Cassel Steve Coogan, Chris Messina, Kumail Nanjiani, Sandra Bernhard, Heather Graham, Max Greenfield, and Rosie Perez, among many, many others. Truly, I was looking at this cast list, I'm like, I think this is the most cast they've ever had for a season of White Lotus. And the fourth season will follow a new group of White Lotus Hotel guests and employees over the span of a week taking place during the Cannes Film Festival.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Feels Altman esque.

[Lauren Garoni]

But I was thinking of other examples of actors who've been replaced either before filming or during filming. And I can only think of two examples. One is Ryan Gosling, who got fired from the film the Lovely Bones because he was supposed to be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I blocked that movie out.

[Lauren Garoni]

Like most of us. He was supposed to play Saoirse Ronan's father, and he'd be young to play Saoirse Ronan's father. Now, even at that age, like, him in his early 40s would seem too old to be the father of a Teenager now, certainly 15 years ago, whenever that movie came out. So he was like, oh, I'm someone's father. I'm going to gain a bunch of weight. So I look older. But he didn't tell Peter Jackson, the director. So. And this is according to him, he's told the story many times subsequently. He showed up on set, £60 heavier, and Peter Jackson was like, you're fat. And he was like, yeah, isn't that great? And Peter Jackson went, no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The audacity of Peter Jackson, of all people, to fat shame.

[Lauren Garoni]

And to replace Ryan Gosling with Mark Wahlberg. Also, I think the most infamous example of this happening, probably for the better of the film, is that Back to the Future shot for five weeks with Eric Stoltz as Marty McFly, and it was not working. And they fired him and had to reshoot five weeks of filming. Wow. With Michael J. Fox. Because I guess Eric Stoltz was taking the role too seriously.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, clearly someone made the right call.

[Lauren Garoni]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next question. Can we talk about this Lady Gaga dochi song? No, we forgot about it in our Pop Star Roundup last week because that's how little impact the song had on me personally. Although seeing the video provided some interesting context, I feel.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I mean, the song is exactly what I would imagine a song with the two of them would be for the Devil Wears Prada soundtrack. Like, it's almost as if they reverse engineered the song.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Like, I know that you don't watch Drag Race, but, like, often on that show, RuPaul is filming a music video for a single and like, the challenge is all of the queens, like, have to be in the video. And that is what this video looks like to me, and that is what this song sounds like to me, like a RuPaul sound single.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I have to say, they use a particular part of the song towards the end of the song itself in the trailer. Right. Which is the part where it's like, you were born for the Runway. I'm not going to sing. I can't sing. But, like, that is the least compelling part of the song. So at least when I watched the music video and heard the full song for the first time, I was like, well, this is more interesting than what I originally heard in the trailer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's true. But I can so see the thought process. They're like, we need a song like Madonna's Vogue, but it can't be about Vogue because this is Runway magazine, so we'll make it about Runway, and you're

[Lauren Garoni]

walking down a Runway.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. There's just something about this sort of, like, ballroom vibe that just, I don't know, doesn't work for me in this year, you know, like, 15 years ago. Absolutely. But. And the same could be said for the clothes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Really. It didn't feel authentic when I was saying, like, it feels like this song was reverse engineered for the Devil Wears Prada sequel promo. That's what I mean. It doesn't feel authentic, but it feels appropriate for this film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I did like the ball grounds that Ms. Claire Sullivan designed for them, though, which was like, a real Galliano throwback. That was cute.

[Lauren Garoni]

So I guess this is all to say we were whelmed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, we have our first hotline call.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, this is Chris in New York. I might be telling on myself this might just be a me thing, but I kind of find it lazy and uninteresting when a sequel just slaps on the number two as the title. And especially with the Devil wears Prada 2, Sex and the City 2, it feels like they could have gone with something a little bit more interesting. And so I was wondering what you would have done. Talk soon. Bye.

[Lauren Garoni]

We are in an era where it is rare to get a two for a sequel. Like, I feel like now franchises love to do part two, like Dune Part two, or a colon like Captain America, Civil War, Mad Max, Fury Road. And I'm kind of surprised that the devil wears Prada 2 doesn't have a colon and a subtitle. Yeah, so mine would be the Devil Wears product colon. That's all. Since it is the catchphrase that people have been using the most in all of these brand deals and brand sponsorships.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I hear you, but I feel like that's all would be perfect for devil wears Prada 3, the third and final film in the trilogy. That's all. It feels like a little soon for that's all I feel.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, we were talking about all the brand stuff a couple of weeks ago. What was the line that you were like? Is this an iconic line?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did someone eat an onion bagel?

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, so, yeah, Devil Wears product colon. Did someone eat an onion bagel?

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I would steal the headline for the New York Times review, which was Rhapsody in Cerulean.

[Lauren Garoni]

Ooh. I was thinking of the creativity in the 60s and 70s with sequel titles like, you know, the Return of the Pink Panther, the Return of the Devil Wears Prada could be interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or we could take inspiration from I know what you did last summer, and I still know what you did last summer. Like, the Devil still Wears Prada.

[Lauren Garoni]

Now, that is good. Yeah. I was gonna say thinking about the best and worst sequel titles. I think there's been no more innovative franchise than the Fast and Furious, because you've got 2 Fast 2 Furious, so I thought maybe 2 Devil 2 Prada,

[Chelsea Fairless]

Devil Wears Prada to Tokyo Drift.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, they also have the Fate of the Furious, you know, the fate of the Devil who Wears Prada. Now we're getting a little.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I think we need the vibes of Miss Congeniality two Armed and Fabulous. Terrible movie. Great title.

[Lauren Garoni]

See, I was thinking about maybe the worst sequel title. And that goes to the sequel for now youw See Me, because it's not titled now youw See Me, now you Don't. It's just now youw See Me too. However, for the third film, they did title it now you See Me, now you don't, which I think they did because Dan Harmon, the creator of Community, did a viral comedy piece where he found out that the sequel wasn't called now youw See Me, now youw don't and, like, lost his mind.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It is crazy. The best sequel title, I think is Mamma Mia. Here we go again.

[Lauren Garoni]

Like, that's the dream for the colon titles. I agree with you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Or Sister Act 2 back in the Habit.

[Lauren Garoni]

Another colon title. The reason why often films just have boring numbers to them is because the IP is the title itself. So I was thinking about franchises that do end up changing the titles for the sequel. And I think analyze this to analyze. That is pretty good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I agree.

[Lauren Garoni]

There's also the infamous story where James Cameron went in to pitch a sequel for Alien and he just wrote the word alien on a whiteboard, then wrote an S next to it, and then made the S a dollar sign. And like, all the executives lost their minds.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not the worst idea, but Sex and the City 2 was kind of a missed opportunity because like, it actually needed like a colon thing. Because, like, it's so different than the world of Sex and the City that we're familiar with. Like, it really should have been like Sex and the City to escape from New York.

[Lauren Garoni]

Ooh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because that's what it is. Anyway. Next question.

[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

And we will be doing another VIP episode about the Devil Wears Prada too because realize like we can't talk about it next week because next week is

[Lauren Garoni]

also the Met Gala and also we realize that Anne Hathaway released two movies within a week of each other. So it will be a devil wears Prada 2 slash mother Mary slash a discourse on the other three movies that Anne Hathaway has coming out this year. So look for that, hopefully on Monday.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, we have some Sex in the City questions, the drama, but it's the Sex and the City brunch table. What is the worst thing they've ever done?

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, we know the worst thing that Carrie has ever done because we saw it portrayed in season three, the Natasha tooth. Well, yes, sleeping with a married man and then disfiguring his wife when trying to run away after getting caught.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I would say sleeping with the married man in his home and getting caught in his home and then, yes, disfiguring his wife. Definitely the worst thing that Carrie's done. Not even debatable. Although another thing popped into my head, which was Carrie watching videos of that guy fucking models that did not consent to be filmed. Also a very drama esque thing that she's done.

[Lauren Garoni]

Wow. Yeah, I forgot about that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, that's technically a crime.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, let's also not forget that even after many painful dental surgeries, Natasha's tooth is still a different color than her other tooth. Okay. For me, the next one I thought of was Charlotte. And I feel like with Charlotte, you would think she would have a really low stakes worst thing she's ever done. But seeing through the show how secretly transgressive her sex life is, I feel like she's done some batshit stuff in her life that we don't know about. Like sabotaged a co worker or like destroyed a piece of art for some reason. Or perhaps she tried to poison Bunny, but it didn't work.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She did something even worse. She swindled an elderly woman out of her apartment. That's the worst thing she's ever done.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, all right. I was trying to use my screenwriter brain and think of some other stuff not seen on the show, but you are correct.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay? Samantha. I think it's the pattern of fucking married guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, so this is so funny. You were picking stuff actually on the show because for Samantha, I was just making up some stuff.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're not making shit up. It's the worst thing they've ever done. Not a theoretical scenario.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, well, sorry, I misread that question.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. What do you think the worst thing that Samantha has ever done is?

[Lauren Garoni]

I think Samantha killed a woman and stole her identity. Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She did not.

[Lauren Garoni]

You don't know that. I believe that Samantha committed a talented Mr. Ripley or a Don Draper, if you will.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The way that you thought the question was, like, if you were to write fanfic about the worst thing that these girls had ever done. Oh, my God. Okay, I don't even want to know what you have for Miranda.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, my fictional thought for her was something that was very low stakes. Unless we want to consider getting finger banged by Che Diaz.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, obviously that's the worst thing she's ever done.

[Lauren Garoni]

While her best friend pissed herself and she was still technically married.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. And unfortunately that Snapple bottle not available at Julian's auctions.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sarah Jessica Parker was like, that's mine. That's from my archive. So basically we're saying that all of the worst things that the Sex and the City women have done is around infidelity. Essentially.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Except for Charlotte, who's stealing old bitches houses.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, she had to marry Trey to steal his family's apartments.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next call.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Lauren and Chelsea. I have a hot take on the theories finale. We all know the famous line when Miranda sits at the diner with the girls in Big and says, go get our girl. Okay, so my hot take is what if Miranda didn't give one rat's ass about Big and Carrie getting back together, but she was just so pissed that she went to Paris that she was willing to do anything and everything to get their girl to come back home to New York? Please discuss. Thanks. Bye.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's an unbelievably cynical take, but I dig it. I mean, she did want her girlfriend back in New York.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I agree with it. We know that she doesn't fuck with Mr. Big. She was just like, I cannot have this bitch call me one more time from a payphone in Paris. With the time difference, this bitch is calling me at 4am we got to get her home.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I was gonna say, I believe the scene that happens before this between Miranda and Carrie is one where Carrie admits to Miranda, which is not the friend I would admit this to, that when she is sad. Carrie often wonders what being in these situations would be like if she were with Big. And I guess we're supposed to understand that that was Miranda's hook of like, you know what? I fucking hate Mr. Big and I will sabotage their eventual marriage. But for right now, I can use this to my advantage. So wait, is this Miranda's the drama? Is this the worst thing Miranda's ever done?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, this is a good thing that she did. But Miranda, forever a pragmatist, she's like, this motherfucker is the lesser of two evils.

[Lauren Garoni]

Wait, how could we not say that? The worst thing Miranda did was sabotaging Carrie's wedding by saying to Big, I don't understand how you could get married and then keeping that a secret from Carrie for six months.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think that's worse than having an ongoing affair with a non binary standup comedian after you've been married for like 20 years.

[Lauren Garoni]

And Carrie's co worker and possible boss.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's not worse.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sorry, that was ill defined.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, someone asked us, does the finality of the end just like that auction make you more bittersweet about the show ending? No, not for me. I think it needed to end after season three. I obviously wish the finale involved fewer turds, but we can't always get what we want in this life.

[Lauren Garoni]

I've joked about how this auction has made me realize how much work the art and prop departments put into the show. So the auction more makes me sad of the lost potential event. Just like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For sure. And also, I hate any time that people lose their jobs, especially these talented props people. I'm sure they're fine. But still.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I mean, look, it being a not great show, a show that people weren't expecting, was great for our business. But we didn't want to hate the show. We wanted to love the show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We did want to love the show. And as someone that doesn't enjoy being a hater, contrary to I'm sure what some people think, it did involve emotional labor talking about this show as much as we did for as long as we did. So I'm at peace.

[Lauren Garoni]

And after tomorrow, yes, we can finally put in just like that to bed. Oh, wait, no, we can't. We have to answer this next question. Do you ever wonder why they never made Rock and Che Diaz have a gender identity scene?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, I've thought about this many times.

[Lauren Garoni]

Logically, this makes sense. But I'm going to answer this question with another question. Is this really a scene we wanted to witness?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did we want to witness Miranda on her hands and knees cleaning up turds?

[Lauren Garoni]

Good point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, just saying. Yeah, I think they showed a lot of restraint in not doing that because. And just like that often did veer into after school special territory. And a trans affirming scene between Shay Diaz and Rock really seems like something that they would have done. But my theory is that Charlotte kept them apart.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's what I think too.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She's like, you may be trans, but you will not grow up to be like Che Diaz, so help me God.

[Lauren Garoni]

Fair enough. Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Imagine Che Diaz, like giving Rock black market hormones.

[Lauren Garoni]

Talk about very special episodes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Charlotte finds syringes behind her Madame Alexander dolls.

[Lauren Garoni]

Who's WR fanfic now? Sorry. Where my mind went to is like Harry accidentally finds the hormones and starts dosing himself. Oh, God, you know, that's what they would have done. I'm thrilled to welcome back one of our favorite sponsors, Honey Love. If you've listened to this podcast for a while, you've heard me swear up and down about their super power short. Now I'm back to discuss another Honey Love product I can't live without. The Cross Flex Activity Bra. Have you ever wanted the comfort of an everyday bra with the support of a sports bra? You've got it with the Crossflex Flex Activity Bra, which is the ultimate support bra for everyday activities and light to moderate movement. I know my podcaster lifestyle may seem like I have infinite time, but I'm often running around all day. So the bra I put on in the morning has to unfortunately or fortunately go with me wherever I'm going that day. From a Pilates class to a meeting to rolling around with baby Morty, even date night. What bra can do all that? You guessed it. The Honey Love Crossflex Activity Bra. If you find yourself reaching for a sports bra on a daily basis because of the support and coverage, but want something that's actually comfortable and designed for all day wear, the Crossflex Activity Bra is the solution you've been searching for. Curious about honeylove's bras? Honeylove is now offering a crossover triple bra bundle. So if you want a full refresh on your top drawer, you can get huge savings by buying three at once. Treat yourself to the most advanced bras and shapewear on the market. Use our exclusive Link to save 20% off Honey [e-mail] outfits. That's HoneyLove.com outfit. After you check out, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you. Experience a new standard in comfort and support with honeylove. All right, on to the next voicemail.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Lauren and Chelsea. So in case you didn't know, Slater has a new album out called the Worst Girl in America. And on her song Crank, she does this sound that's like. And it's like a kind of moan weird sound. And Internet is saying that she sampled it from Carrie Bradshaw in that episode. I think it's all that glitters when she comes home from the gay club and is in bed with Aiden. Listen to the song. Mash it up with that clip from Carrie. I would love to believe that Slater had that deep cut and sampled Carrie Bradshaw in that semi cringe moment. Let me know your thoughts. Okay, bye.

[Lauren Garoni]

So for those who haven't heard the Song. This is what the listener is referencing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, how about Carrie?

[Lauren Garoni]

Here's my favorite thing is you texted me and you were like, lauren, we need to rip Carrie making the poor noises. And I was like, unfortunately, I already have that clip ready to go because I used it in our Valentine's Day episode, which was talking about our favorite sex scenes. And I used it for our category, best heterosexual sex scene. And it goes a little something like this. Oh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Uh huh. Give me some of that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, this is not a sample of Carrie, but of course this was inspired by Sex and the City. There's no question in my mind.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, it might be Slater doing an

[Chelsea Fairless]

interpolation of Carrie's porn noises slightly, but it's pretty on the nose. And also, her whole Persona as an artist is so rooted in the Y2K era. Like, she is drawing a lot from Britney and Kesha, but also Courtney Love and indie sleaze and all that sort of stuff. Like, she has watched Sex in this city 10,000 times. No question.

[Lauren Garoni]

If it is the actual Carrie clip, I'm just disappointed that more of it wasn't used.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, maybe she'll do a remix. Okay, we have another voicemail.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Lauren and Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is Katie, longtime New York fucket.

[Caller/Listener]

My question is this. How bad do you think Carrie Bradshaw's apartment smells? Love you guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, because of the cigarette smoke? Of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Because of the cigarette smoke. Not because of her diptyque candle. And you know, no amount of diptyque can offset smoking a pack of Marlboro Lights a day while sitting behind a computer screen for 20 years. Basically, yeah. As someone that also used to smoke a lot and smoke indoors a lot, I bet it smelled nasty as fuck. I bet her clothes are nasty. That's real talk. Because that shit will absorb the smoke in a way that other things won't.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, considering that bet Sheva adjacent hazmat suit that she wore to smoke it in just like that. Yeah, she's aware of the damage she did to her clothes and her apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I personally don't find the smell of cigarettes to be that gross. But to each their own.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, next question. He did rivalry cast good or bad brand move to attend the Met gala?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good move, obviously. Good move.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I don't think it's bad for them to be seen at the Met gala.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great move for Saint Laurent, who I assume will be dressing Connor's story, who is one of the few people there who just naturally looks like one of the statues in the Greek and Roman wing at the met.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, and St. Laurent is the brand ambassador supporting the Met Gala this year. And Connor Story is a brand ambassador for Saint Laurent, so it makes sense that he will be there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Hudson Williams. I feel like he's been doing a lot of stuff with Balenciaga lately, but also he opened that D Squared show. D Square could just like pay him a freakish amount of money. Anything is possible.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, when Pierre Paulo was at Valentino, he always had a very strong presence at the Met Gala. I assume now that he's at Balenciaga, he will have a similar presence at the Met Gala, even though no other brand has been confirmed other than Saint Laurent. It feels like a year, given the theme and given that it's the first year that the exhibition is happening in this permanent gallery that all of the big brands have bought. Tables. Tables. This year there are some years where brands sit the Met Gala out. I don't feel like that's going to be this year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We shall see. Also, do you want to give a studio update?

[Lauren Garoni]

The studio is coming.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We've been saying that for years now. Do you want to give a specific update or perhaps an excuse as to why this hasn't happened yet?

[Lauren Garoni]

Guys, this is really embarrassing to admit, but we built a soundproof studio only to figure out that it's not big enough to shoot video content in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, you can use that room for other things. That tiny, tiny room.

[Lauren Garoni]

We have found a location to be the Every Outfit studio.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, you're kind of skipping over the part where we spent months looking for office space in the Valley.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's true. We came very close around the holidays of getting an Every Outfit hq. It was perfect. It was literally equidistant from where Chell and I live. It was walkable.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ugh, I'm still pissed about that. We did not get it because someone was willing to sign a five year lease, which obviously we couldn't do.

[Lauren Garoni]

We couldn't do because we're dreaming bigger. We assume that we will have outgrown that office five years from now. But who knows? This is all to say we have found a production space. But then came the next obstacle. We have spent truly since last fall trying to source the curtains for the studio. That also, now that it's coming out of my mouth, feels like an excuse, but it is the truth.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, we've placed the order and it's happening.

[Lauren Garoni]

It should be done in a month from now and Every Outfit TV will be on its way. We should explain that because there was a Wall Street Journal article discussing the fact that because Every podcast is video. Now that listeners are feeling abandoned in the original audio format. Every outfit TV is supplemental content. Those that love the podcast, it is going to remain for the foreseeable future and audio formats.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But we will film some episodes. We'll film the Sex and the City episodes and then we will do other episodes that are centered around more visual stuff. The Met Gala, obviously, things like that.

[Lauren Garoni]

And that will be available on our subscription services. But obviously we are going to clip things out and you can see it on social media.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also been really wild, basically trying to figure out how to produce a cable access fashion show, which is completely unlike anything I've ever worked on in my life.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, we're somehow the talent, the producers, the art directors. But yeah, I mean, we hope to deliver something really special. We certainly need to, given the fact that we spent two years teasing this, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, guys. And thank God my cheilitis cleared up. I have no idea why. Don't know what caused it. Don't know what fixed it, if anything. But I will look not totally disgusting on camera, hopefully.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, don't worry, your dermatologist doesn't know either why you had it and why it went away.

[Chelsea Fairless]

These fucking grifters.

[Lauren Garoni]

But we are trying to make every outfit TV the most luxurious experience when it comes to video podcasting because we each have our own grievances with video podcasts.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Especially around visual stuff and lighting and stuff like that. I feel like we're probably the most annoying people that this podcast studio has ever had to deal with because, like, we come in with our own lighting person. But I'm sorry, I need that. Like Barbara Walters, I cannot look haggard.

[Lauren Garoni]

And also my pet peeve is when people record at multiple studios. Like, I enjoy the Ringer podcast and all of the shows that they do, but they have 15 different sets. And like, a show like the Rewatchables is done from three different sets. And it freaks me out. Like, I don't know what it is, but it gives me anxiety when I'm like, oh my God, it's a different set this week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, what gives me anxiety is when people are sitting in front of shelves that are sparsely decorated with decorative objects and airplanes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Airplanes, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Do you know what an air plant is?

[Lauren Garoni]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's a plant that doesn't require watering. Oh, I'm sure you've seen them at Silver Lake dining establishments.

[Lauren Garoni]

I have indeed. I just called them succulents. Yeah. But clearly in our research, there is one podcast set decorator who goes around and makes every Podcast look like a library.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, a library with no books.

[Lauren Garoni]

The other podcast set that really stresses me out is the one for Armchair Expert, which is the only set I've ever seen that is deeper than it is wide.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think I've seen that one.

[Lauren Garoni]

And you never will. So anyway, every outfit TV coming soon still.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And guys, we promise this is the last year that we will talk about the Met Gala. Not on video. Never again.

[Lauren Garoni]

Unless something happens to the curtains and then another six month delay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next question. Can you discuss Beef season two? Why, yes. We both watched it.

[Lauren Garoni]

I ripped through it in a weekend. I loved it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I really enjoyed watching it too. Although I would say it started in a better place than it ended.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, it definitely, in the last three episodes, goes completely off the rails.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I don't want to spoil the ending for anyone, but I will just say that I have some logic questions about the larger crime that was revealed at the end of the series and how exactly this nonsensical conspiracy works.

[Lauren Garoni]

Don't worry about it. Just look at Charles Melton and his beautiful face.

[Chelsea Fairless]

God, that man is beautiful. My God, it's shocking. It's like Connor's story.

[Lauren Garoni]

And he plays my favorite trope in media, which is the high emotional IQ Himbo.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, he is a Smith Jared, but

[Lauren Garoni]

almost like even more Golden Retrievery than Smith Jarrod. But I don't know. I really enjoyed at least the first half of the show that felt a little more grounded.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, Carey Mulligan was great. And it was also important representation for a certain kind of like Doan wearing Cutter Brooks shopping, John Darien loving kind of British woman.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, this is a show that is built on how petty grievances can ruin people's lives. And like the subtleties within that. And in this season, the subtlety in class differences in even explaining where each of the couples live. Right. Like, this takes place in a. Is it a golf course? Tennis club?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's a golf club.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's a country club that is in Montecito, which for those who don't live in California is also called Montecito. It's Kris Jenner has a house. Oprah has a house. This is where Oprah exclusively lives.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is where the American Riviera orchard or what was Meghan Markle's.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's what it was. There was a name change, but I did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, now it's called as ever.

[Lauren Garoni]

But anyway, the country club is in Montecito. Carey Mulligan and Oscar Isaac live in Ojai, which To your point of like, that is a very specific elder millennial type of couple, especially one that probably lived in Los Angeles at one point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

And decided to unplug and live in

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ojai and start a bed and breakfast. That's literally like the millennial fantasy.

[Lauren Garoni]

The bed and breakfast that they cannot get off the ground.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's that or doing the Sandra Bullock Schitt's Creek apothecary.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The practical magic apothecary.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was like, that's what Sandra Bullock has been doing the last few years. That's why I haven't seen her on screen. And then you have Cailee Spini and Charles Melton, who live in Ventura.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I thought Carey Mulligan was the most evil of all of them at the beginning, but by the end, I realized that it was her. She's way worse.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. Again, the premise of the show, other than people having beef with each other, is this idea that it's just people's worst instincts. Right. Instead of giving someone the benefit of the doubt, it's like, what if I thought the worst of you and what happens from there? Totally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also about money and how evil and corrupting and stressful it is. And it really hits. If you do miss the White Lotus this season, it is a very similar

[Lauren Garoni]

vibe, I think even better, because I think it really reveals the who's above you game in the sense that no matter how much you achieve, there's always someone who has more than you. Right. For Charles Melton and Cailee Spaeny, whatever her name. Priscilla Presley.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

To them, Oscar Isaac and Carey Mulligan have everything because they have this big property in Ojai. He drives a Porsche, and they don't even have health benefits. And yet Oscar Isaac and Carey Mulligan are completely underwater, trying to keep up with the Joneses in terrible amounts of debt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's a stressful show, but a good one.

[Lauren Garoni]

But it also feels like we're in such a renaissance for film and television of dealing with the current moment. I know this was a complaint of ours that, like every director we loved was just making films set in the past. And it was like, hey, we'd really love your commentary on what's going on in this moment. And the idea of. Of Oscar Isaac and Carey Mulligan fighting and screaming at each other about not seeing Top Gun Maverick because the other one had Covid, like, delighted me to no end.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's skewering Millennials and it's skewering Gen Z. I would say really, really well.

[Lauren Garoni]

Since I watched the show a couple weekends ago, it's given me my new vocal stim, which is that moment when Carey Mulligan and Oscar Isaac are fighting and Oscar Isaac imitates Carey Mulligan. Oh, not so not a hello. That just plays in my head over and over and over again. We are thrilled to have Casper as a sponsor of our podcast. Casper makes reliable, high quality mattresses designed to deliver consistent, comfortable sleep night after night. Casper's mattresses are highly rated by Consumer Reports and out of 99 mattresses, Consumer Reports named Casper's the 1 Mattress their top rated all foam mattress of 2026. I was first introduced to Casper through their dog bed. I had one for each of my dogs and they loved it. And then I graduated to their mattress topper to make a daybed we have in Morty's room that much more comfortable. Now I've graduated to my own Casper mattress and I don't know what I was doing with my life before Casper. I have the dream and the name says it all. It's a hybrid mattress that helps solve tossing and turning, which is a huge issue in my own marital beds. Paul loves to toss and turn, which wakes me up. It's a whole thing. But our new mattress pairs responsive springs with ergonomic support zones so the dream keeps you aligned and dreaming all night. Casper offers a wide range of mattress types, so whether you like your mattress firm, soft or somewhere in between, there's something for [e-mail] if you are in the market for a new mattress or a mattress Upgrade, head to Casper.com and save up to 20% on the mattress you deserve. Casper's mattresses are built to be durable and long lasting so you're not replacing your mattress every few years. Their products are designed to withstand the test of time, maintaining support and comfort over the long haul. I can attest I only bought a new Casper dog bed with my second dog because I gave my first one to Chelsea and Casper has their 100 night risk free trial so you can give Casper mattress a try risk free. Although with 110 plus 5 star reviews, I'm sure you're going to love it like I do right now. Save up to 20% on mattresses when you go to Casper.com one last time. That's C-A S P E R dot com and save up to 20% on the mattress you deserve.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next question. Predictions for Taylor Swift's wedding please. Who would you choose to make her dress?

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, it's probably going to be Oscar de la Renta or someone very boring.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's definitely a good chance that it will be someone very boring.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, but who would you want to design Taylor Swift's wedding dress?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would go with Alessandro Michelley for Valentino because if her engagement ring is any indication, she wants something kind of old timey. This bitch loves that. She wants something super romantic. She wants the fantasy. She might even want like a big poofy skirt. And if she's going to do that, like, let that man be the one to design it.

[Lauren Garoni]

We've talked about how it's unnecessary for the weekly episodes to be on video, but I wish listeners, you could have seen Chelsea's face when she said a big poofy skirt, almost disgusted.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I think a big poofy skirt can be great. I'm just saying it can really go sideways with a wedding dress. Also, I think Vivian Westwood could serve a similar function for her. They also do a big poofy skirt. It'll also be kind romance novel, historical. You know her, she's going to want to wear like a little choker and have her hair half up and half down and like do some shit like that. But I think there's also a possibility that she could do some like Ralph Lauren type shit, you know, which would be boring, but would be very her. What I hope she avoids is a Versace type thing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, whose Versace would it even be?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The in house design team probably.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I mean they did Angelina Jolie's wedding dress, which was a poofy wedding dress, which was incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was great.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, what made it incredible was the veil that was embroidered with their children's drawings on it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm not trying to slander Versace. I just like Taylor Swift has this impulse sometimes to wear brands like that and to wear brands like Area and stuff. Like, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she was like, like my wedding gown is area.

[Lauren Garoni]

So the wedding is happening July 3rd, which I will say I do associate July 4th and that holiday weekend with Taylor Swift. So this feels very appropriate.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think she's gonna do something in Rhode Island.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, that was the rumor. I mean, there's stuff that is leaking out, like the wedding date. There was also a rumor that Michael Rubin, who does the white party, had moved his white party to July 1st to not conflict with the wedding. TMZ debunked that. But for some reason a lot of outlets are reporting that this wedding is happening in New York City, which I kind of doubt that would be Smart,

[Chelsea Fairless]

though I don't think they can have this wedding outdoors or that they should have this wedding outdoors.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, they both have the money to buy out any place, anywhere. She's already got the two private jets. She can jet people off anywhere they want to go. The rumor is that the date was sent out. This is according to tmz, but there's no location. And so the thought is maybe that people are going to meet in New York and be bused somewhere else. I hoped not to Rhode Island.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We'll have to wait and find out.

[Lauren Garoni]

What I want to know is if Blake Lively is going to get invited.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course she's going to get invited. Why wouldn't she?

[Lauren Garoni]

Because there's rumors that they've had a falling out in their friendship.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Since when?

[Lauren Garoni]

Since the Justin Baldoni lawsuit and her getting dragged into the. The lawsuit. Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But since that happened, she released that song Cancelled, which was about how much she loves Blake Lively in his Ride or Die.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, in that case, all of her daughters will be flower girls. I'm going to assume.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure they will.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm sure. Here's my prediction. Taylor Swift is going to have a few bridesmaids, but, like, 18 flower girls, every single one of her girlfriends. Who has a daughter. Flower girl.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I can see it. Okay, next question.

[Lauren Garoni]

Speaking of daughters. Emerald Fennell, daughter or Sam Levinson's son?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Obviously, Emerald Fennell, daughter. I'm sorry. If I have a Sam Levinson son, that means my life is basically being Rue's mom in euphoria, and I'm not cut out for that shit.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I guess. What are we trying to allege here? Because they're both provocateurs who many have said are style over substance auteurs. So I guess, who are you gonna pick? And controversially and against who you picked? I do fuck with Sam Levinson's oeuvre more than Emerald Fennell's. I like Assassination Nation. I've seen Malcolm and Marie from my memory. I like the Beginning of Euphoria. And I have a son, so I guess Sam Levinson's son.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if these pregnancies should be carried to term. All right, moving on. Thoughts on the Generation Young Lean music video. It's incredible. It's insane. You watched it, right?

[Lauren Garoni]

Of course. I mean, it gets incredible at the 4 minute, 18 second mark.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, you're insane. You don't think the beginning of the video is good?

[Lauren Garoni]

The beginning of the video is a

[Chelsea Fairless]

short film, sure, but not an annoying one.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, I mean, anything Said at a boarding school, all men in uniform, you know, makes one think of school ties. The Internet tells me that it was inspired by a Japanese film called Blue Spring. But where the music video gets incredible, as I said, is halfway through the seven minute video is this unbroken shot. That's a push in and a pull out of all of this choreography of these schoolboys in uniform dancing around younglean.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think anyone has ever looked cooler than younglean does in this video.

[Lauren Garoni]

Here's my question for you. Do you like the song?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I like the song, yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think the video is stronger than the song perhaps. But that is the point of a good music video. Oh, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And like this director, Roman Gavra, he is such a genius. Like, I remember where I was when the video for Mia's Bad Girls came out years ago. Yeah, he's like one of the greatest.

[Lauren Garoni]

And boyfriend of Emily Ratajkowski.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It reminds you how impactful a music video can be.

[Lauren Garoni]

But we should also shout out the choreographer Damian Jealot, who I think is equally the reason that this music video is so successful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, what's Lauren's take on Nine Inch Noise?

[Lauren Garoni]

Chelsea, have you listened to Nine Inch Noise?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I haven't.

[Lauren Garoni]

Wow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. I know I should have and I meant to, but I forgot.

[Lauren Garoni]

I love it. So. Nine Inch Noise is the fusion of Nine Inch Nails, which at this point is just Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross Ross, who is his partner in all of their score work with Boys Noise. And they have now formed 9 inch noise, which is a collaboration that started on the last tour where Boys Noise opened up for Nine Inch Nails. And then a certain part of the concert was Atticus Ross, Trent Reznor and Boys Noise together remixing existing Nine Inch Nail songs, most successfully Nine Inch Nails Closer. They then were announced to play Coachella and then it was announced that a album was going to come out in between the two weekends. And when they performed at Coachella, it wasn't just Atticus Ross, Trent Reznor and Boys Noise. Trent Reznor brought his wife Maraqueen out and she sang along with him. And the album that they released is this mixture of the live performance. Like a lot of it starts as the live performance and then it goes into studio recordings of these songs. There are no new songs, just remixes and reimaginations of Nine Inch Nail songs.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that's cool. And thank God someone finally explained it to me.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I mean, if you are blessed and cursed to still be performing the songs that you made 2530 years ago. You might as well make it interesting for yourself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You raise a good point. Okay, we have an update if you remember.

[Lauren Garoni]

Was it our last hotline call? No, it was one around Christmas.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Our hotline episode, there was a caller discussing the fact that her friend had a pair of racist earrings that were

[Chelsea Fairless]

racist and also cursed because a lot

[Lauren Garoni]

of bad stuff happened around them, and they believed that the earrings were the cause of it. And we asked for a lot more details which were provided to us. This person did call back. The call is four minutes long. So we're just going to recap what was said.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Okay. Firstly, the earrings are racing because it's like an articulated figure of a black man with, like, googly eyes and a loincloth. They then were taken to a Santeria high priest in Denver.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, they live in Denver. Or the person who has the earrings live in Denver. The friend called us. They contacted a Santeria high priest based on our advice of, like, just donate it to someone who collects this stuff. It was not explained how that went from what we suggested to contacting a Santeria high priest.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I think I said something to the effect of, like, you should find someone who knows how to decurse them if they're cursed.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right. That was the big question. They happened to find a Santeria high priest that lived in Denver, where the person who has the racist earrings lives. So the caller booked a trip back to Denver for this visit. And, guys, there's so many twists and turns in this story. The earrings are not cursed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They are, however, racist.

[Lauren Garoni]

Of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And the Santeria guy was just like, just throw them away.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, just get rid of them.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. He wasn't so concerned about the racist earrings because they weren't cursed. He, however, delivered the information that I couldn't exactly follow. Whose wife? I believe the wife of the person with the racist earrings is actually the one that is cursed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

And that is why all the spooky shit was happening. And I don't want to yuck this listener's yum, but it did kind of feel in this call that the high priest was trying to sell you something, because he was like, look, the earrings aren't cursed. Your wife is. And guess what? I know how to uncurse her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So you're gonna have to bring her back in here. I feel like you may be getting scammed, but maybe not. Not. Who knows?

[Lauren Garoni]

They also further explained because specifically in the call, they were like, chelsea will know what to do. And you were like, what the fuck does that mean? So they've explained that because you were a lesbian, they thought you might know what to do. And they also thought you specifically might have something cursed in your home as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I do. I have this, like, Pierrot, like, porcelain clown head that I've been scared to get rid of. But. But anyway, I got it in upstate New York.

[Lauren Garoni]

Where is that in your house?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's like in this downstairs closet by Tat's studio. Anyway, so there we go.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's the update.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next question. Have you ever seen the movie Mermaids with Cher? Isn't this something that we constantly talk about or do we talk about it not on the podcast?

[Lauren Garoni]

Probably in both places. I've seen the film Mermaids, but not in a minute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've seen the film Mermaids probably like five times. So I'm very familiar with this movie.

[Lauren Garoni]

The thing that stands out to me the most are two things. It has to me one of the most brilliant character details, which is that Cher only makes her children orders, which is supposed to represent that she lives such a transient lifestyle because she moves her children from town to town that she can't even commit to making her children a full meal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if that necessarily is about her transient lifestyle so much as her blind spots when it comes to parenting.

[Lauren Garoni]

Same, same. Tomato, tomahto. There's also this uncomfortable IMDb trivia. For those who haven't seen Mermaids, the film is Cher. She has two daughters, Winona Ryder and a very young Christina Ricci.

[Chelsea Fairless]

When did this movie come out?

[Lauren Garoni]

1990 or 91? I know that because Winona Ryder was dating Johnny Depp. Depp and Christina Ricci met Johnny Depp on the set of Mermaids because he was dating Winona Ryder. She would then go on to play his love interest in Sleepy Hollow and then even have a sex scene with him in a Sally Potter film called the man who Cried.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's so creepy when you think about it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also confusing because Mermaids is set in the 60s.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yet it's named Mermaids because A, Christina Ricci loves to swim and B, Cher dresses up like a mermaid for Halloween in this movie. But is the most 80s ass mermaid costume that I have ever seen in my life.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. But it takes place in New England, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think so.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think New England in 1990 was still stuck in the 60s. They were 20 years behind.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love this movie. Great performances by both Cher and Winona Ryder. And it's really about the tension of this mother daughter relationship because Cher's kind of a Bad girl. Cher's kind of promiscuous, whereas her daughter, played by Winona Ryder, is this extremely uptight, extremely religious.

[Lauren Garoni]

She's a Jesus freak.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Jesus freak. Yeah. And there is this really incredible blowout fight in that movie between Cher and Winona Ryder that is truly some of both of their best acting.

[Lauren Garoni]

I sent you this, but you didn't reply to my text. But there's something that's been going on with Winona Ryder over X the last week, which is someone posted these photos that I think are around 2002 era Winona Ryder from some photo shoot. And I guess people were surprised at how large her breasts were. And then people felt the need to add the fact that Jamiroquai gave a quote a long time ago that he had to break up with Winona Ryder because her breasts were too big and she wanted to have sex too much. Much.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She seems cool.

[Lauren Garoni]

So there you go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, top three Rosie o' Donnell film roles. Shall we determine this together?

[Lauren Garoni]

Sure. I mean, there's only about eight movies.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's not true. There's many movies. Did you ever see Riding the Bus with My Sister?

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, yes. Isn't that a TV movie? Are we considering the TV movie?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, but it's a feature length film. That was a joke. I do not think that's her best performance. Although she did do a a lot.

[Lauren Garoni]

For those who've never seen it, just imagine Rosie o' Donnell doing I Am Sam.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Basically all the real Rosie heads have seen this movie. But I would say that her best performances. The Flintstones, A League of Their Own now and then. I think it's probably now and then. Although I think that people really fell in love with her because of Sleepless in Seattle.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And if anyone is a master at the best friend sidekick role, it is Rosie o'. Donnell. And most of her movies fall into that category. Aside from Riding the Bus with My

[Lauren Garoni]

Sister and Exit to Eden.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And Exit to Eden, which also great.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, talking about sequel titles, there was a movie called Stakeout, of which she was in the sequel to which was called Another Stakeout, which is a genre of sequel titles. Right. Because you have 48 hours, then another 48 hours.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why did I think you were going to say the Flintstones? Like Viva Rock Vegas where she's a

[Lauren Garoni]

cop with Richard Dreyfus and they have to go undercover so she has to pose as his wife and hilarity ensues.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've never seen that. Nor did I ever watch the American Gigolo TV series.

[Lauren Garoni]

I did because I love John Bernthal.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I should, because I love Rosie o' DONNELL and American Gigolo.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, you shouldn't, Chelsea. As someone who watched it, it's none of the fun parts of American Gigolo. And it also. It presumes this. It presumes that the events of the movie American Gigolo happened.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

But Jon Bernthal is Richard Gere and has been released from prison in a contemporary timeline. So then they have to, like, reconfigure the original American Gigolo timeline to be overlaid in the 90s, early 2000s.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right, okay.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then to explain why John Bernthal is a sex worker or the Richard Gere character that he's portraying is a sex worker, they're like, he was pimped out by his mother and horrifically, like, sexually abused. And it's like, this is none of the things I want from American Gigolo, by the way.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. And he was also living his best life in that fabulous apartment. Fucking hot bitches like Lauren Hutton.

[Lauren Garoni]

Instead, who does Rosie o' Donnell play? She plays a cop. Like, she has several genres that she does very well, which is like, the loudmouth best friend, friend. Cop. Cop. Yeah, because she's a cop in American Gigolo. Another stakeout and Exit to Eden.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She has that vibe about her, and she had that same sort of gruffness in A League of Their Own.

[Lauren Garoni]

Also, she's also great in a Ted Demi film called Beautiful Girls.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, she is.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which is a small role but important, and I think one of the better Rosie roles. And that was a film that they made a lot in the 90s, which is like. Like, you know, I'm going back for my high school reunion to my small town, and I'm dating this girl, but I don't know if I should marry her. And, oh, I just ran into all of my high school friends.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's true.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, we have another call.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi. So I wanted to call in and tell a funny story and then follow up with a question. I am a professional dominatrix, and I have a client that came to me with a role play, and they said they wanted to reenact the Devil Wears Prada, and I would be Miranda Priestly. I cannot wait to basically whip a man while yelling florals for spring. And it got me thinking. I wanted to know what you guys thought about fetish wear in fashion that. See you later.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Are gay guys now hiring dominatrixes to, like, dress up like Miranda Priestly?

[Lauren Garoni]

I more thought that this guy's mother must look like Miranda Priestley. I mean, goals, honestly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. What a great gig. And if you listen to this podcast, like, I assume you're prepared to play Miranda Priestly, like, you know, her snappy one liners.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. I too look forward to you whipping this guy. As you say, why is no one ready? And while you do the entire cerulean blue speech, while you're also doing cock and ball torture on this person.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So funny. What do we think about fetish stuff in fashion? I mean, it's been such a huge part of high fashion for so long at this point.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I was trying to chart the beginning of it, obviously. Vivian Westwood, you could also make the point that motorcycle biker style of the 1950s would influence what we consider the beginnings of fetish style. And leather daddies, of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Actually, when I saw Lily Allen's show, she wore a really, really amazing, like maroon vinyl 16 Arlington dress that was very like tight, form fitting, constrictive with these giant, like pointy breasts, like cone breasts. Gorgeous.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which leads us to the other pioneer of fetish wear and fashion, which would be Jean Paul Gaultier.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. I think all of the best fetish stuff, it's all made by the same guys, this team of leather artisans called Whitaker Mallam. And they did all this stuff for Alexander McQueen, all this stuff for Alan Jones, all this stuff for Dallara now. And anytime there's something on the Runway that is leather or vinyl or fetish clothes, basically they are the ones that are constructing it because it's just too specialized.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then Mr. Pearl. Mr. Pearl, of course, if you're looking at the corset side of high fashion fetish wear, also, I would say Richard Quinn, especially if you're talking about florals for spring and latex and fetish.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah, totally, totally. You should dress your sub up in a full Richard Quinn gimp look, a floral look.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then I honestly, I think in the last 10, 15 years, the people who have mainstream just casually wearing latex are the Kardashians.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Because it fits on their bodies. But also, I have to say I am glad that we're past the indie sleaze, harness over clothing phase of fetish fashion. No disrespect to Zana Bane, who is a genius, but it's hard when you see people wearing that kind of stuff

[Lauren Garoni]

that aren't really in the lifestyle.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That aren't in the lifestyle. Exactly. Walk the walk, Taylor Swift. Yeah, exactly. Walk the walk if you're going to do it. Or better yet, walk your sub down the street on a leash with your Zana Bane harness.

[Lauren Garoni]

Talk about predictions for Taylor Swift's Wedding. All right, we got a question. Who's your old Hollywood crush? Rush?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who's yours?

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I didn't want to go obvious with James Dean and Marlon Brando, so I'm gonna say Bert Lancaster and Anthony Perkins.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Interesting. I'm going with Marlena Dietrich.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, that checks out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The riz that that woman had was truly off the charts.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, we have another hotline call.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, this is Mandy. I'm a fuckette. I was thinking about this after listening to this week's episode, but does anyone else remember, remember that reality show that was on in the early 2000s called the swan, where, like, they took, like, I mean, I don't want to say unattractive women, but unattractive by the beauty standards of the time, and they gave them extreme plastic surgery to, like, completely alter their appearance. Did I hallucinate this?

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, before we answer this question, I just love that this woman is seemingly out in public at, like, a supermarket or. Or her job. Because in re listening to this voicemail, I'm like, oh, you can hear people in the background. I don't know if you were at a party and you were like, just remembered the show the Swan. And you're like, no one here will get this but Lauren and Chelsea will.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, of course I watched the Swan. It got really depressing. Like, I think I stopped towards the end of the first season, but I definitely watched, like, at least five episodes of that, if not more.

[Lauren Garoni]

I feel like this is a show that I experienced through weekly episodes of the Soup. Like, that was a show that was too dark even as a teenager for me to watch. I needed an underpaid PA to go through the best clips of that show and dispense that to me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. It was an extremely dark show.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, okay, in researching this, I thought that, like, a Joe Millionaire that was a one and done reality show. The fact that it had two seasons and the fact that Terry Dubrow, who is the husband of Heather Dubrow of the Real Housewives of Orange county and the reality show botched, was one of the plastic surgeons on the Swan.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So fucked up. So basically, these women were given trainers but also extreme amounts of plastic surgery, and they had three months to recover from all of that plastic surgery before they would see their new faces and bodies for the time First.

[Lauren Garoni]

First time in an apartment that didn't have mirrors. There is a Vice, like, 10 minute documentary on YouTube and it was just announced last month that Hulu will be doing a docu series on the Swan, which I cannot wait for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, which is being done by Aaron Lee Carr, who directed Mommy Dead and Dearest, the iconic Gypsy Rose documentary. Documentary. And also framing Britney Spears more recently.

[Lauren Garoni]

So, you know, this is gonna be good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And then it was extremely fucked up because the reveal, like, they would walk into this, like, scary room, almost like they were getting married to themselves. Like, they'd walk down an aisle and then the mirror would be revealed to them.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then that was only, like, the first part of the reality show because the real, actual reality competition part was that they then put these women in a beauty pageant.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Yeah. It was so sadistic. I imagine that some of these women probably later ended up having potentially complications from some of the surgeries that they got.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, if you think about a show like Extreme Home Makeover and the horror stories you heard after the fact where, like, all of the housework was actually fucked up and people had to sell these homes and then couldn't sell these homes because the work wasn't legitimate because,

[Chelsea Fairless]

well, they couldn't pay the property taxes also.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, there was also that. But more my point is that because the work had to be done so fast, it wasn't done well. So I can only imagine what speed running multiple plastic surgeries must be like. Yeah, I can only imagine the complications that we're going to hear about in this Hulu docu series, given what we saw in that Tyra Banks Netflix documentary when the girls went to the dentist and got their teeth all fucked up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

And that one woman had to have, like, multiple, multiple, multiple revisions.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure a lot of them got veneers. Another dark question. At what point do you unfollow someone on Instagram who is now dead?

[Lauren Garoni]

You wrote the right podcast. Because dark is where we live.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I'm just curious. Why do you feel the need to unfollow the dead person? Because I never unfollow dead people.

[Caller/Listener]

People.

[Lauren Garoni]

I was thinking the same thing. Because the older I get, the more I'm resolved to a strict no unfollowing policy, even with people who are no longer in my life. Like, that's what the mute button is for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. And I don't understand the psychology of someone that wants to follow very few people and wants to, like, edit their following. Like, to me, that's insane.

[Lauren Garoni]

And presumably because this person has passed, you won't be seeing any more of their content. But. But is it because when you go look at your follower list, you're going to see them and then think of them. Are Instagram handles like phone numbers are they eventually given away. Are you worried that one day that handle will pop up with someone else's content?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. You can unfollow them, they won't know.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, then, that's the second part of the question. Again, we are very sorry for your loss, but are you worried? Because my whole thing of not wanting to unfollow anyone is. I do think it is little bitch behavior. But now that I'm thinking about this question, are you worried to unfollow the dead person that was in your life because you're afraid of what his family or their family or friends might think if you unfollow them?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No one's looking at a dead person's Instagram past the first, like, few months, I would think of their passing. Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

So I guess, to answer your question, at what point do you unfollow someone on Instagram who is now dead? Dead six months?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think you need to. And that is my answer.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, another advice question. Are we in the advice part of the hotline episode?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I guess so.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm currently going through my first big breakup, and I'm devastated. Any advice?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The only way out is through. I think with a breakup, it's so hard because you're sad and you don't know how long it will last. And it's easy to convince yourself that it will last forever, ever. But it doesn't. You will get over it at some point. Do not listen to depressing music. Do not do it. Especially not you Were Meant For Me by Jewel. Don't listen to that.

[Lauren Garoni]

Ignore that impulse to listen to Jewel during a breakup. If you learn anything from us. I was gonna say you have to wallow. You are allowed to wallow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, absolutely. Definitely wallow.

[Lauren Garoni]

However, I think the worst part or the hardest part of getting over a break breakup is that transitional period where it's not really sanctioned by your friends and family to still be wallowing. So you have to, like, do something each day, but you don't fully have to be over the breakup like, that. Transitional moments from being in bed all day to, like, okay, I have to leave my house at least once, is, I think, the hardest part of getting over a breakup.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I think with a breakup, it's good to do something new because when you break up with someone, you lose a lot of. Of routines instantly, and it's good to replace them with something else.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sorry, my mind just went to this person being like, okay, Lauren and Chelsea, I'm gonna take a trapeze class.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why Not. And you know what? If you have to move, it's actually a gift. It will suck now, but sometimes moving is the best thing you can do for yourself.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. I mean, that is high stakes. A more lower stakes way to go over a breakup. I was going to suggest watching some good female revenge films. Waiting to Exhale, Thelma and Louise the Handmaiden.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Waiting to Exhale is kind of depressing though.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, just YouTube that one Angela Bassett scene from Waiting to Exhale. Okay, next question. Is it tacky to hold a divorce party? For reference, I work in the wedding industry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think so. Unless you got married very recently.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, as someone who's just been to a birthday slash divorce party, I co signed Divorce parties.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think it's cute. And I think that Samantha's I'm not having a baby shower is also a really great idea. And more people should do that because to Carrie's point, single child free people do not have these sort of built in events where they get presents and they get to be celebrated.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I've been meaning to bring this up on the podcast and this is the perfect segue, but there was a style section article a few weeks ago about how people are basically having life celebration weddings to themselves.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why not?

[Lauren Garoni]

The world is dark, things are fucked up. I think we should be celebrating more. Anything, anywhere.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Didn't Jenny Lewis just marry her dog or did I hallucinate that?

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, you are correct. Jenny Lewis celebrated her 50th birthday by marrying her dog singer and cockapoo. Bobby Rhubarb, the inspiration for Puppy in a Truck, tied the knot at a birthday party slash wedding reception last week and that was in January 2026.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There you go. Okay, next voicemail.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, I'm calling in with a fashion question. I am meeting my girlfriend's mother for the first time. I'm her first serious girlfriend. Her mom used to work for Ralph Lauren and now works at a bridal company and is like a very fashion person. So what do I wear? I'm a femme lesbian in my early 30s and will be in New York City in April. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you so much.

[Lauren Garoni]

I love how whatever we're gonna say is not going to be relevant to this caller who did say that she will be visiting and meeting her girlfriend's mom in April and this episode is releasing May 1st.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh shit. I did not notice that.

[Lauren Garoni]

But this could be helpful to other femme lesbians who will be meeting their partner's mother.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, less is always more with a fashion person. Do not Try to pull a look. I feel like real fashion people are more impressed by, like, a nice pair of black pants or a simple pair of ballet flats than an it bag. And if you do wear an it bag, they'll probably be like, ew, that's from, like, five years ago. Simple, nondescript, chic, timeless.

[Lauren Garoni]

You can't go wrong with suiting a suit pants and a blazer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We have no idea what this woman looks like, so that's going to be hard. But wear a little black dress, keep it chill, or buy head to toe Chanel, and she will be very, very impressed. That I guarantee.

[Lauren Garoni]

Was that your way of transitioning to our final question, which is our thoughts on the non Chanel shoe shoe that Deb debuted at the cruise collection?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. I think it's great. I love it. And everyone is like, where the would you wear this? And I think you're really underestimating, like, who resort collections are for and, like, what these people's lifestyles are actually, like. Because this is a shoe for someone on the beach or on a boat.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. It's funny the way that this shoe has gone around in the media. Naturally, it lacks the context. Right. They just show the detail shot of this half shoe sandal. But if you look at the look in total, the model is often holding a pair of shoes. The idea being that, like, you took your Chanel pumps off and you're walking the beach in your Chanel half slide.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Like, is there a function?

[Lauren Garoni]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Apart from looking fabulous. But that's fine. There's also not a function for a bangle. You know, I mean, if you think

[Lauren Garoni]

about it that way, there's not a function for much of fashion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. But I think that these are gonna be huge among a certain genre of person. I'm sure Kris Jenner will have them in every color for yacht season.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, of course. I mean, the way that people sold out Matthew Blasi's first Chanel collection, like, there is an audience for this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And it's also one piece within a collection that had just such a wide breadth of styles, and every single thing is so detailed. I remember thinking this when Alessandro was at Gucci. And you can't help but be impressed by the scope of what this man is doing.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, yeah. My favorite look from this cruise collection is towards the end, which I can only describe as. As French widow on a holiday.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah. Really good.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's like a black gown, and then it's not exactly a veil. It's not exactly a headscarf.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's a really, really beautiful look. We also saw the Chanel logo, the interlocking seas blown up and used in ways that are more akin to something that, like, Moschino would design, which I thought was really, really interesting.

[Lauren Garoni]

We also have a new addition to the newspaper as fashion genre.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Which was really, really surprising. It's strange to me that Chanel would do a newspaper dress if for no other reason that it's like Schiaparelli is the origin, Right?

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And it's weird that they haven't done anything. Dior, obviously, we most associate with the newspaper dress because of Carrie Bradshaw and all of that. And I think they have largely avoided it. Maria Grazia did something newspaper adjacent for a minute, but it wasn't like that major, like, I think it was like a T shirt or a bag or did I just hallucinate that?

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They never really did it, like, full on in that same way that, like, Galliano did it and Chanel did it full on with this show.

[Lauren Garoni]

Going back to that question about the end. Just like that auction and does it feel bittersweet? I will say every fashion season since we've learned that the show is not coming back for a fourth season, when I see looks that Carrie would look incredible in, that's when I get sad again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally.

[Lauren Garoni]

And like, this Chanel newspaper. Trent, it's like, oh, that would have a thousand percent been on Carrie in season four. Totally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And Lord and I went into the Dior store kind of recently and we saw those mules that they made with the Giants for sort of smushed looking rosettes. And that also made me sad that we would not get to see Carrie Bradshaw in that shoe.

[Lauren Garoni]

Perfect Carrie shoe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

One season too late, Fran. Just like that. Also, I don't know if you noticed those Chanel waders in this collection. I really, really hope that Lana Del Rey gets those so she can wear them in the swamp. Because I feel like no one else would really have a reason.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, yes, I know what you're talking about.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The giant rubber boots.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, this whole look, which is a very 1920s inspired, literal bathing suit, like a playsuit with a bathing cap. And yes, you're right. These gigantic rubber meant for the swamp boots. He continues to be fascinated with Coco Chanel the woman more than the legacy of Chanel or interpreting and reinterpreting the brand through the woman herself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's all fun. And I liked the little blowfish and the mermaid gowns and all this sort of more novelty stuff in this show really cute. But anywho, we've reached the end of our questions.

[Lauren Garoni]

We've said it all and we will

[Chelsea Fairless]

be back next week to talk about the Met Gala.

[Lauren Garoni]

And we will be back before that on Apple subscriptions and Patreon talking about the Devil Wears Prada too. What will we have to say?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's all for this episode. Anyway. Bye, guys. Bye. There's nowhere I wouldn't go to help someone customize and save on cars insurance with Liberty Mutual. Even if it means sitting front row at a comedy show.

[Lauren Garoni]

Hey, everyone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, no.

[Caller/Listener]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garoni]

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