276: On Candace Bushnell, Hacks, Euphoria

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast — Episode 276: On Candace Bushnell, Hacks, Euphoria

Release Date: June 5, 2026
Hosts: Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garoni

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Every Outfit is a pop culture buffet, spanning first-hand impressions of Candace Bushnell’s one-woman show, reactions to the series finales of "Hacks" and "Euphoria," reflections on celebrity news, and as always, unfiltered fashion and media commentary. Chelsea and Lauren keep their signature tone—equal parts snark and sincerity—while dissecting the week’s events and sharing stories from exclusive events, managing to infuse even the most esoteric references with wit.

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Candace Bushnell’s One-Woman Show: True Tales of Sex, Success, and Sex and the City

[00:39–14:45]

Attending the Show

• The hosts made an impromptu trip to Costa Mesa, Orange County to see Bushnell’s show, delighting in their fish-out-of-water experience at South Coast Plaza—“Not only the only lesbians here, but the only brunettes in a 2-mile radius.” (Lauren, [02:17])
• Set design details: “The stage was covered with shoes. Some had their own little spotlights...from her actual shoe collection.” (Chelsea, [04:24])

Show Structure

• The show is Bushnell’s reflection on her journey: “Is there still Sex in the City?” inspired by her 2019 book, and tracks “Candace became Carrie Bradshaw became Candace again.” (Lauren, [03:18])
• Features a game “Real or Not Real”—Bushnell prompts: is the wild stuff from SATC sourced from her real life?

Notable Insights and Memorable Moments

• “Pretty much everything really happened to Candace in some way, shape or form.” (Lauren, [05:14])
• The real women behind the SATC characters “were all like Samanthas.” (Chelsea, [05:32])
• “The real life Charlotte, Miranda, and Samantha… were all similar to her, were all like Samanthas.” (Lauren, [05:32])

Candid Revelations

• The show is “definitely grittier than Sex and the City,” covering threesomes with sex workers and cocaine use, elements “mysteriously absent” from the TV series. (Chelsea, [05:57])

Bushnell’s POV on Adaptation and Legacy

• “Her disillusionment...when her column...became the show Sex and the City. Charlotte, Miranda and Samantha became more archetypes than women.” (Lauren, [06:14])
• Real-life Mr. Big “cheated on her with some girl that lived in Aspen,” mirroring SATC storylines. (Chelsea, [07:11])
• “Central thesis...is really that you have to be your own Mr. Big. She repeatedly stresses the importance of financial independence from men.” (Chelsea, [08:06])
• On TV changes: “Seeing her character cheat on a man—something Candace would never do because she ‘would never want to hurt another woman in that way.’” (Lauren, [08:42])
• “She only really got the money to buy an apartment when Lipstick Jungle was optioned for television, which is fucked up.” (Chelsea, [09:34])

Dishy Trivia

• Bushnell talks about living with Gordon Parks at 19 (“...would have made Gordon Parks 66 at the time.”—Chelsea, [12:08]) and never mentioning Sarah Jessica Parker by name, only calling her “Matthew Broderick’s girlfriend.” ([13:28])

Cultural/Feminist Takeaway

• “The real life Carrie Bradshaw...created as an alter ego because the first column was about sex parties and she ‘could not have [her] parents reading this.’” (Lauren, [07:14])
• “You have to be your own Mr. Big.” (Chelsea, [08:06])
• On enduring sexual vibrancy: “It turns out these kooky bitches in their 50s and 60s, they still want to fuck.” (Lauren, [14:13])

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Cinema & Isabelle Huppert at Bleak Week

[14:45–21:01]

Film Festival Report

• Chelsea attends multiple screenings of Isabelle Huppert’s films (The Piano Teacher, Elle) and recounts the vibe of “Bleak Week”—“the most depressing fucked up movies that exist.” ([14:59])
• Describes the audience as “mostly white straight film bros. Not enough women and gays for my comfort at both of these screenings.” (Chelsea, [16:44])

Huppert’s Q&As

• “She’s just like so unsentimental about her work...I read the script, I meet Z director, I film Z movie” (Chelsea, [17:12])
• “The most excited I ever saw her get...was when she was talking about working with the cat in Elle… Like, this is the Meryl Streep of cats.” (Chelsea, [18:15])
• On playing perverts: “Well, the common thread is obviously me.” (Huppert, via Chelsea, [20:41])

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Sex and the City Updates (Smith Jerrod, etc.)

[22:33–25:06]

Jason Lewis (Smith Jerrod) Update

• “Jason Lewis…has moved to Costa Rica and is writing a fantasy novel trilogy.” (Lauren, [22:39])
• Odd PR push with no books released yet, and an ad campaign heavy with SATC dog whistles.
• “He’s clearly playing the Absolute Hunk who is famously sober.” (Chelsea, [24:08])

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TV Recaps: Hacks and Euphoria (SPOILERS)

"Hacks" — [25:08–31:42]

Series Finale Discussion

• Hosts praise the organic seeding of the cancer storyline.
• “If we're giving Deborah Vance terminal cancer in the last episode, we gotta take it one step further.” (Chelsea, [26:38])
• That hard-to-believe moment: “You are choosing to spend your last days with Ava with this, like, Silver Lake bisexual that stumbled into your life.” (Lauren, [28:25])
• “Now you’re already workshopping your cancer special.” (Lauren, [29:01])
• On show’s legacy: “I’m really going to miss these characters a lot.” (Chelsea, [31:07])
• “Why doesn’t the Diva exist? It’s such a good name for a Vegas hotel.” (Chelsea, [31:28])

Plotlines Highlighted

• Jimmy and Kayla’s arc: uncovering the use of dead actors' voices in AI ads, seizing control of the management company by blackmail ([30:37])
• Marcus’s (the hotelier) subplot—the fantasy of a “gay man and an older woman’s vision of Vegas” ([31:33])

"Euphoria" — [33:14–47:08]

Surreal & Bleak Finale

• “Is Rue a cow?...I'm happy Sam Levinson was able to thread that needle and did.” (Chelsea & Lauren, [33:14])
• “Rue…a three month old calf. She’s in a better place now. AKA the barn.” ([33:21])
• “This season…has drifted from a Coen Brothers film to like a Tarantino film, then it just became the film Sicario.” (Lauren, [35:46])
• Maddie & Cassie’s “hype house for OnlyFans girls” conclusion is called out as ethically ambiguous. (Lauren/Chelsea, [39:17])
• “You had one of two choices with Rue. She was either going to live or she was going to die. And Sam Levinson chose to kill.” (Lauren, [40:05])
• Show noted as “escalating like Fast & Furious” — “this show started about like teenagers who are, you know, are a little wild sometimes…and now it’s like Rue died at 23, 25 because she was poisoned with fentanyl.” (Lauren, [41:09])
• “This was a very troubled season...and I guess this is the middle ground they agreed upon.” (Lauren, [44:02])

Memorable Quotes

• “I love that the conclusion to her story was that she’s starting a Bop House.” (Chelsea, [39:22])
• “See, I stopped watching after whatever one had Devon Aoki in it. —Too Fast, Too Furious.” (Chelsea & Lauren, [41:09–41:15])

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LA & Culture

Lucas Museum of Narrative Art
[47:11–51:37]

• “Building looks insane. It looks like a spacecraft. It’s like a modernist space age fantasy.” (Chelsea, [48:26])
• Melody Hobson’s influence—“Anyone under 18 can come in for free…pencils for 25 cents in the gift shop.” (Lauren, [48:42])
• “Rumored budget was between a billion and $1.5 billion, which is no skin off his back because he sold Lucasfilms…to Disney for $4 billion.” (Lauren, [48:26])
• Hilarious tangent on Lewis Hamilton (F1 driver) and Kim Kardashian connections to George Lucas. ([52:08])

Spielberg’s Disclosure Day (Upcoming Film)
[53:42–58:49]

• Chelsea newly excited for Spielberg’s “Disclosure Day” — “What really attracted me to this film...Emily Blunt’s performance” (Chelsea, [57:22])
• On the alien language: “She’s a meteorologist and she is overcome with some sort of entity and starts speaking in alien like language.” (Lauren, [57:36])
• Hosts poke fun at UAP (UFO) subculture and Joe Rogan’s hype.

Urban Outfitters/Fashion Nostalgia
[58:57–60:38]

• Reminiscing about early 2000s street style: “When I see younger people sort of fetishizing the street fashion of the early 2000s and the indie sleaze look, I’m repulsed by it...unless it was like Alexander McQueen, Nicolas Ghesquiere… but street fashion. Ew.” (Chelsea, [59:58])

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Music, Fashion & Media Moments

[60:39–63:16]

Charli XCX’s New Album Cover

• Album cover features John Cale, Marc Jacobs, and Martin Scorsese.
• Lauren: “Honestly could be a John Varvatos ad.” (Lauren, [61:09])
• The hosts muse on which icons they’d pick for their own “music/fashion/film” trio—answers include Madonna, Phoebe Philo, Patti Smith, Whoopi Goldberg, Cher.

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Celebrity Weddings & Pop Culture

[65:06–68:08]

Dua Lipa & Callum Turner’s Wedding

• Fashion deep-dive: Dua Lipa’s Schiaparelli skirt suit, inspired by Bianca Jagger.
• Lauren discusses civil ceremony DIY coolness, predicts a trend toward skirt suits for brides.

Carly Kloss Invited to Taylor Swift’s Wedding

• “It’s very lesbian to go to your ex’s wedding, you know.” (Chelsea, [68:52])
• The hosts playfully address the Kaylor (Taylor Swift/Karlie Kloss) friendship speculation.

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Queer Eye & Karamo’s Bombshell Interview

[69:40–74:37]

• Karamo’s People magazine cover — “Surviving My Reality TV Nightmare.”
• “[He] reveals information that, honestly, you couldn’t waterboard out of me.” (Lauren, [70:02])
• Karamo reveals being accused of sexual harassment during early filming.
• Shares his struggles with weight gain, buccal fat surgery gone wrong, and subsequent weight loss (“He says he gained 70 pounds...plastic surgery did distract from the weight gain and loss.” [73:45–74:16])
• The hosts urge listeners: “Guys, don’t get your buccal fat removed. Don’t do it.” (Chelsea, [74:10])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You have to be your own Mr. Big.” — Chelsea Fairless, [08:06]
• On Euphoria: “Rue…a three month old calf. She’s in a better place now. AKA the barn.” — Chelsea Fairless, [33:21]
• On fashion nostalgia: “I’m traumatized...When I see younger people sort of fetishizing [indie sleaze], I’m repulsed by it.” — Chelsea Fairless, [59:58]
• “Honestly, you couldn’t waterboard [this] out of me” — Lauren Garoni, on Karamo’s candid interview, [70:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Candace Bushnell’s Show Recap: [00:39–14:45]
• Bleak Week/Isabelle Huppert: [14:45–21:01]
• Smith Jerrod/Jason Lewis Update: [22:33–25:06]
• "Hacks" Series Finale: [25:08–31:42]
• "Euphoria" Series Finale: [33:14–47:08]
• Lucas Museum & LA Art: [47:11–51:37]
• Spielberg’s “Disclosure Day”: [53:42–58:49]
• Music/Fashion/Film Musings: [60:39–63:16]
• Dua Lipa’s Wedding, Swift/Kloss: [65:06–68:08]
• Karamo & Queer Eye Tell-All: [69:40–74:37]

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Engagement, Energy & Takeaways

This episode delivers a detailed pop culture snapshot: irreverent, insightful, and dense with side stories and industry gossip. From Bushnell’s bracing feminism to HBO’s series wrap-ups, the hosts’ dynamic brings every segment to life—whether dissecting the ethos of LA’s newest museum, savoring the chaos of Euphoria, or spilling the behind-the-scenes tea on Queer Eye. For newcomers, this episode is an amuse-bouche of the hosts’ trademark voice—sardonic, fashion-obsessed, culturally literate, and always with something new (or embarrassing) to reveal.

Transcript

[Lauren Garoni]

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Sting.

[Lauren Garoni]

Cringe. Floral. The Sting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great gowns.

[Lauren Garoni]

Beautiful gowns.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Lauren Garoni]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garoni.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I'm.

[Podcast Host]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We've had a big week. Lots of adventures, lots of Every Outfit

[Lauren Garoni]

coded events happening in the larger Southern California region.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We went to see Candace Bushnell's one woman show this weekend, which was not

[Lauren Garoni]

in Los Angeles, but instead was in Costa Mesa, which for those who don't live in Los Angeles, or I guess Southern California, is in Orange County. And we were originally like, why wouldn't she do this in Los Angeles? And then we got to the venue and we were like, oh, we understand now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. Also, we would have told our Los Angeles listeners about this show had we known about it more than two days before it happened. Like, this was an emergency day trip to Costa Mesa.

[Lauren Garoni]

I received a text that was like, paul, better be able to watch the baby because we need to turn this around in 24 hours and go and see Candace in Costa Mesa. And because we were going to Orange county, we decided to make our first pilgrimage, but not our last, to the South Coast Plaza, which is a luxury

[Chelsea Fairless]

shopping mall that was really fabulous. Noteworthy to us because it has a Courage store and an Alaia store and a Miu Miu store. None of these things exist in Los Angeles.

[Lauren Garoni]

The closest experience or shopping experience that it felt like is when we were in Miami. And they have the Miami Design District, which has literally every single designer luxury store and then also every designer furniture store within a five by five block radius.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And this is the Orange county version of that. But I love how you were immediately like, tat Chell chill on the pda, you guys are gonna get hate crime. It's a very conservative place.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, I said something to that effect only because at a certain point, I looked around at the mall and I was like, you two are not only the only lesbians here, but we are the only people who are brunettes in, I think, a 2 mile radius.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not to mention the only people wearing black.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, yeah. That also made us outliers as well. But we had a delightful time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Such a good time. The show was great. I had heard good things about it from friends of mine that had seen it in New York, but I was really impressed with what she did. And as someone that is also sort of created a live sex in the city themed stage show, it was Interesting to see what she did.

[Podcast Host]

So what is the show called again?

[Chelsea Fairless]

True Tales of Sex Success and Sex in the City. She has been doing this show since early in the Pandemic. It debuted in New York in 2021 and since then she has performed it all over the world. Basically everywhere but Los Angeles.

[Lauren Garoni]

And as I said before, we now understand why she specifically performed it. Three performances. We went to the Sunday matinee, but it was packed with divorcees in pink wearing, you know, their aspadril wedges. Yeah, I was gonna say high heels, but you are correct. It was more an espadrille wedge vibe. But the structure of the show is she is trying to answer the question, is there still Sex in the City? Which comes from her 2019 book of the same name, but really one woman show is her charting how Candace became Carrie Bradshaw became Candace again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, and it opens with this really incredible video montage of her 90s television appearances. It's like her on Oprah, her on Charlie Rose, her on cnn. So incredible.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, it starts with that. And then also, you have not spoken about the set decoration, which really gives us something to think about for when every outfit does another live tour.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. Because the stage was covered with shoes. Some of the shoes had their own little spotlights on them and they were shoes from her actual shoe collection.

[Lauren Garoni]

We were up in the balcony because that's where we could get tickets. So we had a bird's eye view of the women in the front row who kept touching Candace's shoes before the show started. So much so and taking selfies with them that the staff had to come and be like, you cannot touch the shoes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it was all very cute. And she basically tells her life story chronologically. And then she weaves in life lessons as well as this recurring game show bit called Real or Not Real, where she shows us scenes from Sex and the City and asks us to determine, like, did this happen to her or was this just for the show?

[Lauren Garoni]

And pretty much everything really happened to Candace in some way, shape or form. But I think the most revealing things for me about the show were the fact that the real life Charlotte, Miranda and Samantha in her life, personality and sex drive wise, were all similar to

[Chelsea Fairless]

her, were all like Samantha's. Basically.

[Lauren Garoni]

Another recurring bit is her on the phone. And it goes from her being on, you know, a landline to a cell phone to a flip phone to then an iPhone, which is a great way to show the passage of time. But, you know, the show begins with her talking to Miranda, who's like, Fucked by a stockbroker in a cedar closet in the Hamptons.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's definitely grittier than Sex in the City. She talks about having a threesome with a female sex worker. She talks about cocaine use throughout the show, which mysteriously absent from Sex in the City.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, another recurring theme is sort of. I wouldn't say her disillusionment, but her surprise at the TV conventions that were added on to her source material when her column, her book, Sex and the City, became the show Sex and the City. Such as the fact that Charlotte, Miranda and Samantha became more archetypes than women who have overlapping personality traits.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then the other shocking thing, at least for me, was her genuine belief that the show would end after season two when Mr. Big marries another woman. Because that is what happened to Candace. Her Mr. Big unceremoniously broke up with her, which she gets into the details of in this show, which is they were sharing a house in the Hamptons. She's telling a story at a dinner party. He tells her to shut up in front of everyone. And then the next day he's like, we gotta break up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, also, he was cheating on her with some girl that lived in Aspen.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, she has a very funny line about, like, who goes to Aspen in the summertime? We talked about the real life Mr. Big, Ron Gilotti. Recently there was. Or semi recently there was a New York York Times style section piece where he told his side of the story, which was that he and Candace were not that serious. Although, I don't know, sharing a house in the Hamptons seems a little more serious than a fling. But anyway, I didn't realize until seeing this show how much of a feminist Candace really is at her core. The real life Carrie Bradshaw, which she gave that moniker to her column because when she finally got her column in the New York observer, her parents were like, we got a subscription. And the first column she ever did was about her going to a sex party. And she was like, I cannot have my parents reading this. Oh, I know what I'll do. I'll create an alter ego.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. But, yeah, to go back to the feminism of it all, the central thesis of the show is really that you have to be your own Mr. Big. She repeatedly stresses the importance of financial independence from men. She talks about how she built her life in a way so she doesn't have to rely on a man. And it's quite cool, considering that while she has performed the show all over the world, like I said, she is performing the show in many conservative enclaves, like Costa Mesa, Palm beach, what have you. And it is very cool of her.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, another thing that is central to her is supporting and maintaining your female friendships above everything else. And how horrified Candice was to see that not only did they bring Mr. Big back for season three, but they made essentially her. Her alter e cheat on a man. Which is something that Candace would never do because she would never want to hurt another woman in that way. And then on top of it, the show got even more popular because of that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. And people actually really liked Mr. Big, similarly to what happened with Girls Like Adam was written to be a shitty character that the audience ultimately ended up falling in love with.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then also Candace's belief that perhaps Mikhail Baryshnikov was cast as Carrie's boyfriend because she herself was married to a ballet dancer at the time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. And she doesn't really go into the nitty gritty of this, but we know that she was only really involved in the show for the first couple of seasons. Then she was iced out because she didn't write the pilot script for Sex in the City. She didn't really ever get the money that you would think that she would get from Sex in the City. In this show, she talks about the fact that she only really got the money to buy an apartment when Lipstick Jungle was optioned for television, which is fucked up. And it does kill the Sex and the City fantasy that we all have of what her life must have been like. But it's cool that she's going on stage and talking about her finances and showing us a picture of her real closet that has, like, wire hangers and shit in it to compare it to the Carrie Bradshaw fantasy in the first movie.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, that was part of the Fact or Fiction game show where she was like, yeah, no, you only get that closet if you marry a finance bro.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So, yeah.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

a really dishy moment in this show. She talks about when she moved to New York after high school and how she immediately moved in with Gordon Parks, who is a photographer and an author. We've talked about this relationship before, but I did some googling and Candace moved to New York in 1978 when she was 19, which would have made Gordon Parks 66 at the time.

[Lauren Garoni]

She doesn't really get into detail about why Gordon Parks is the first person she calls, but she's like, he's the only author I knew to which Chelsea and I in the audience were like, I thought he was a photographer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, because he's heavily featured in the Parsons photography history curriculum that we all experienced as freshmen, basically. But I don't know if we connected the dots when and just like that came out, but in LTW's apartment there's this very famous Gordon Parks photo of a very chic black woman and her young daughter standing underneath a sign that says Colored Entrance. It is one of the defining photographs about segregation. And when Charlotte first came over to LTW's house and was talking about all the different black artists in her collection, she literally could have said, my friend Carrie used to fuck that guy. That is crazy.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, do you want to get into the other dishy thing of the show, which is she does not reference Sarah Jessica Parker by name. She only refers to her as Matthew Broderick's girlfriend. When discussing the casting of Sarah Jessica Parker as Carrie Bradshaw in the pilot of Sex and the City, which is

[Chelsea Fairless]

noteworthy because Sarah Jessica Parker was a movie star at that point and a

[Lauren Garoni]

New York it girl. So there's no way that Candace and Sarah Jessica Parker's lives did not overlap in some way, shape or form over their decades of living in New York City. I mean, not to spoil things, but we did get the answer that there is indeed still Sex in the City.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garoni]

It turns out these kooky bitches in their 50s and 60s, they still want to fuck.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And her crew is so iconic, it's like Countess Luann and Nicole Miller. Who else is she hanging out with?

[Lauren Garoni]

Dorinda, famously.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Love Candace. Great show. If it comes to your city, go see it. Go support our girl. Have a Cosmo.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's very inspiring. Not just the content of the show, but also the idea of like, I'm just going to tour this show of places I would like to vacation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good for her.

[Lauren Garoni]

So you have taken your wife to not one, but two Isabelle Pair screenings where she appeared in person. There is something that the American cinema tech does every year, this programming called Bleak Week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bleak Week, the cinema of Despair, which is a film festival about the most depressing fucked up movies that exist. They've been doing it for five years now. It's really a global film festival at this point. Like 80 something theaters internationally participated in Bleak Week this year for the Los Angeles Festival, Isabelle Pair was the guest of honor. So they screened a ton of her movies. She was present, present in person for I think four of those screenings. And I saw the Piano Teacher on Monday and then I saw Elle on Wednesday.

[Lauren Garoni]

And you brought your wife who has not seen either of these films and how did it go? I can only guess she did not

[Chelsea Fairless]

love the Piano Teacher. She was like, the performance is amazing, obviously, but she was like, I don't get what the big deal is. I don't even think this movie is that up. Like, like, so what? She's like a pervert that likes to self harm. Like who cares? Whereas to me I'm like, this is the most disturbing movie I've ever seen in my life. But she was very like not phased by the sort of violent elements of it, which surprised me.

[Lauren Garoni]

She might have spent too much time with us. We also have been hyping up the Piano Teacher to her for years. My fear was because your wife, if I may say, has a bit of film induced narcolepsy that I worried that she was going to fall asleep before. Before the fucked up stuff started.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. No, she Stayed awake for both of them, blessedly. But she was more into Elle, which really is like an art house version of Law and Order Special Victims Unit when you think about it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Someone recently put on Twitter the clip of Isabelle Huert and Sharon Stone on svu. We have to do that episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Ugh. It's such a good one. But yeah, it was such a different crowd from Candace in Orange county because it was like mostly white straight film bros. Not enough women and gays for

[Lauren Garoni]

my comfort at both of these screenings.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, lots of loud throat clearing and popcorn chewing.

[Lauren Garoni]

And also, I'm sure as soon as the lights went up, just feverishly updating their letterbox reviews.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. But The Q&As were really funny because she's just like so unsentimental about her work and she really doesn't have much to say about process or technique. It's very like, I read the script, I meet Z director, I film Z movie, and she's very just like dry about everything.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, I remember when Elle came out, and certainly because she was nominated for several awards, I believe she won the Golden Globe but lost out on the Oscar. Not if we had control over anything. But I remember this conversation came up because of the subject matter of Elle and the fact that it was directed by Paul Verhoeven. For those who have not seen the movie Elle, I mean, the movie begins with her getting raped and her sort of uncovering and her obsession with her rapist. And I remember a lot of people asked her, like, how do you deal with, you know, the Piano Teacher? This. How do you deal with this material? And she's like, I just. Just say it. I do it, and that is it. I go home.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's exactly what it is like. She did not find filming the Piano Teacher to be emotionally taxing at all. She just showed up and did what she did. It's funny in both of these Q and as the most sort of passionate and excited I ever saw her get about her own work was when she was talking about working with the cat in Elle. She was talking about this cat. Like, this is the Meryl Streep of cats. Like, never in my life have I met an animal act with the level of talent as that gray cat that she has in that movie.

[Lauren Garoni]

It was excellent cacting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was. But yeah, she's amazing. And she looked great at the Piano Teacher. She was wearing demna Gucci, like a very tight suit and the horse bit stilettos that I wanted you to buy. And then at the L screening, she was in What I assume was either like a new Balenciaga Canadian tuxedo type situation, or possibly could have been Michael writer Seline, but she looked great at both.

[Lauren Garoni]

I assume they weren't taking questions from the audience because I know that would have been your question.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, they did take questions from the audience and thankfully people kept it together for the most part. It wasn't like that Nicholas Cage Q and A that we went to once

[Lauren Garoni]

at the Miami Film Festival. Yeah, I don't know if we've discussed this on the podcast, but honestly, there is no more secondhand embarrassment for me than Q and As. I don't know if it's growing up here, living here, but Q and as after film screenings are some of the worst experiences I've ever had.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I still have nightmares about this screening of the Birds I went to with Tippi Hedren in person. But anyway, that was fun. You were missed.

[Lauren Garoni]

Sorry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's fine. You have a baby.

[Lauren Garoni]

I have a baby. We also, because of this, became members of the American Cinema Tech and they locked down the tickets to two.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So rude. But I had also never been to the Egyptian theater before. I didn't realize how small it was. Yeah, like, I feel like that piano teacher screening, especially because it is the 25th anniversary of that film, could have been in a theater, you know, akin to the one at the Academy Museum. That is huge.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, imagine just every pervert in Los Angeles would have been at that screening. That's why they had to put in a smaller theater. We gotta cap the LA pervert.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's true. And one of the moderators did ask her straight up, like, you play all these perverts, what's that about? And she was like, well, the common thread is obviously me.

[Lauren Garoni]

We love a self aware queen and

[Chelsea Fairless]

just kind of let that hang. Let the audience sit with that. I loved it.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

But anyway, moving on, we have one more Sex in the City adjacent thing to talk about.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, we learned this past week that Jason Lewis Smith Jared has moved to Costa Rica and is writing a fantasy novel trilogy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Trilogy. I wish it was a trilogy. Aren't there like eight books?

[Lauren Garoni]

I believe it's three trilogies. First, this is such an interesting PR piece because it reads like a press release announcing Jason Lewis's new fantasy book series, but it's actually just a vague interview about him moving to Costa Rica and how he's currently writing a fantasy book series. There's no distribution as far as I read.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No.

[Lauren Garoni]

But kudos to this publicist for getting this placement because it is very, very hard to get anyone to cover anything, especially a long form interview in the Hollywood Reporter when you don't actually have a product to promote.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Nor is there anything Sex in the City related in the news right now.

[Lauren Garoni]

No. And beyond that, the other thing that came out with Jason Lewis this week week is he is starring in a vague Smith Jared esque Instagram commercial for a hard soda. But that's not even referenced in the Hollywood Reporter piece.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, but this commercial has so many Sex in the City dog whistles, basically everything that you can do short of being sued for infringing on their ip, which is a world where we exist in often.

[Lauren Garoni]

Honestly inspiring as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. Although he's clearly playing the Absolute Hunk who is famously sober.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes, the ad is titled the Hunk is Back referencing when Smith Jared was the Absolute Hunk. A poster that we have that hangs in our office and you see a Samantha basically walking in the background. For those who haven't seen this. He gets sushi thrown at him, but this time he's able to catch it. Unlike in the first film when Samantha throws sushi at him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's wild, but good for him.

[Lauren Garoni]

It reminded me of, remember the Stephen Dorff? Like the first E Cigarette? He was promoting that and the. The tagline of the commercial was like, we're all adults here.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's very that because it's like it's spiked.

[Lauren Garoni]

Soda. Hard soda. Done clean. But you are correct, Smith. Jared, famously a sober character.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Should we try this hard soda? I think the PR did reach out to us, but we haven't responded.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Big television news, basically.

[Lauren Garoni]

HBO centric TV news. Two series have finaled. Is that a way to say it?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I would say have come to an end.

[Lauren Garoni]

They aired their season finales. Hacks and Euphoria. Rough time for hbo. No comeback. No hacks, no euphoria.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm truly so sad that this beautiful two month period of time is over because having those three shows on HBO air simultaneously was incredible. Be warned, this discussion will contain spoilers for both of these shows because there is truly no way to talk about these episodes without spoiling things. Shall we start with Hacks?

[Lauren Garoni]

Let's do it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What do we think of the cancer?

[Lauren Garoni]

Wait, what? This season? I just thought that it was beautifully planned out because they seeded in very early. Like, oh, yeah, I'm getting a biopsy. I'm, you know, oh, I gotta go in for, for some imaging. And so they really played that cancer storyline very smartly and then threw so much shit at you for the rest of the season that you forgot. Oh, right, Deborah might have cancer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's also a series finale where the actual last episode really is an epilogue. I mean, that penultimate episode where she finally does her final show. Question mark. Yeah, her big show. If the series had ended there, I think everyone would have been satisfied.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. I was similarly impressed with the way that they seeded the cancer storyline. However, I feel like if we're giving Deborah Vance terminal cancer in the last episode, we gotta take it one step further. I had the expectation that she was going to get inside one of those suicide pods, instantly regret it, and then scream at Ava to get her out.

[Lauren Garoni]

That would have been funny. I thought if they were going to travel and go on one last trip, that it would seem more like the film the Bucket List. Like they would have gone to more places than just Paris.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't know. The Paris stuff was a little weird. There were some great scenes. Like, I definitely Cried when Ava ultimately confronted her about why she wasn't seeking treatment and stuff. But then there are other scenes, like when they're walking through the Louvre and Ava's like, did you ever think your comedy would be judged differently if you weren't a woman? Like. Like, these are not conversations that people have, you know, especially people that have known each other for as long as Deborah and Ava have in the world of this show.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, also because so much of this season has been commentary, more figuratively than literally, about their relationship, their love story. There was a certain part during this series finale where I'm like, does Debra's daughter DJ Even know she has terminal cancer?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know the fact that she's not taking this trip with DJ Is hilarious.

[Lauren Garoni]

And her grandchild, she gives no. So there was a part of me that had a little bit of a difficult time engaging in Ava and Deborah's last dance, let's say in Paris, because it's like you have a whole ass daughter and grandchild and you are choosing to spend your last days with Ava

[Chelsea Fairless]

with this, like, Silver Lake bisexual that stumbled into your life.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then it ends with with Deborah not immediately choosing to kill herself in a glamorous Switzerland suicide pod, but instead she wants to do another hour. And that is said in, like, the last few minutes of the series finale. And to me, that kind of undid the penultimate episode of, like, we spent the entire season, the whole missive was this idea that you want one last special you're going to be remembered for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And now you're already work shopping your cancer special.

[Lauren Garoni]

So I understand the idea that a comedian will be a comedian until quite literally the day that they die. But I was like, it felt a little bit of a hat on a hat of like. But you were done doing specials. You did a special in Central Park.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I actually do like that Deborah realized that she couldn't kill herself because she wouldn't be able to write jokes about it. That feels very, very true to the character. And I, of course, loved the song choice, which is the famous duet, the famous, famous medley that Barbra Streisand and Judy Garland did of Get Happy and Happy Days are Here Again.

[Lauren Garoni]

And I will say, although I wish that they had traveled to more places than Paris. The match cut of the Eiffel Tower to the Vegas Paris Eiffel Tower. Brilliant.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great. Loved it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Do we want to get into Jimmy and Kayla's storyline, the other platonic love story of this series?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

So they don't have their firm anymore. They go back to Kayla's father's management firm. Jimmy has been demoted to the mail room. But the other thing that they see did really well in this season is that moment where that widow comes up to Jimmy a couple episodes ago being like, you heard my husband in that ad too. My children think I'm crazy here, talk to them. And it's like a moment in between Jimmy doing other things. So you're like, oh, okay, it's a woman being crazy. But this sets Jimmy off on a path because he's in the mailroom. He can see all the billing that they are indeed illegally using the voices of dead actors they used to represent in AI ads.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Very well done.

[Lauren Garoni]

And then that is used as blackmail so that Jimmy and Kayla can run the management company, which I do love. Kayla's father, who's like, fuck it, this industry's dying. Like, take it. Who cares? Why do you think I had to use the voices of our dead clients anyway? Way. I mean, incredibly bleak but incredibly accurate to where things are in the industry. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And Jimmy's big motivational speech to the Latitude staff members did hit.

[Lauren Garoni]

Did it?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I thought so. I thought it was suitably inspiring. But I'm really going to miss these characters a lot. And I'm very jealous of anyone that gets to see Meg Stalter in oh Mary in New York because that is going to be incredible.

[Lauren Garoni]

And the fact that we can't go to the Deborah Vance backed hotel that Marcus is running.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. Why doesn't the Diva exist? It's such a good name for a Vegas hotel.

[Lauren Garoni]

It is also the thing that we desire from Vegas, which is like, just give me like a gay man and an older woman's vision of what Vegas should be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. I'm with you. You want to hear something wild, Lauren? Plastic doesn't just disappear. It breaks down into smaller and smaller pieces that stick in our environment.

[Lauren Garoni]

I know, it's terrifying.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Euphoria finale. Is Rue a cow?

[Lauren Garoni]

I think Rue may have been reincarnated as a cow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I almost spit my pet gnat when I realized that Rue was a cow. A calf. Specifically a three month old calf. She's in a better place now. AKA the barn.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, at least Sam Levinson we did discuss this. You know, in the opening episode, Rue comes upon some sort of Amish y religious flds esque family.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But one of them is hot and has Instagram face.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. And so throughout the season I was like, is this gonna come back? And I'm happy that Sam Levinson was able to thread that needle and did. But I had assumed the way it was gonna come back is they were gonna take that Instagram face hot daughter and put her in Alamo strip club. Or like Maddie would have used her for as a of model.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Which is still possible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True. Maddie did survive. Thankfully.

[Lauren Garoni]

So should we jump things back to the penultimate episode where Jacob Elordi dies

[Chelsea Fairless]

a really horrible death? Maybe the worst death I can think of.

[Lauren Garoni]

I have some logistical questions for you. He died from the snake bite. Not the lack of oxygen because there was an air hole.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, he died from the snake.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. I have to say I was thinking throughout that second to last episode of Euphoria when Maddie decides to go to Alamo for a million dollars and basically be in debt for the rest of her life to a very, very scary man, I was like, that's a really good friend. I don't think I would do that for ch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, fair enough.

[Lauren Garoni]

In this metaphor, I might let Tatiana die.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that is fucked up. Actually. Wait, now I am judging you? When you put it that way.

[Lauren Garoni]

No, I wouldn't really do that. But is Maddie's great love Nate or Cassie? Cuz why would Maddie have done that for Cassie? That's the other hacks and Euphoria have more in common than we thought. Another great platonic love story. Maddie and Cassie. Did you see the behind the scenes for that episode where it shows the production details of how they were able to shoot Jacob Elordi in the coffin and his death scene? Because you've never seen someone more happy to die on screen. Jacob Elordi was like, I'm done.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I did not see that. No. I'll circle back. What was good about the finale? I would say the escape from the Nazis was a pretty gripping sequence.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah. I mean, the show has drifted this season from being, as I've said before, a Coen Brothers film to like a Tarantino film. Then it just became the film Sicario.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I also thought the raid was satisfying. The Nazi raid, Laurie's death. Incredible.

[Lauren Garoni]

The puzzling thing about this season is obviously the characters that I have a relationship with from the prior season. Chloe, Cherry, Laurie. But when it's that sequence where it's the father and then the other Nazi and the father's like looking at the dog and he's like, what should I do? And I'm like, sir, I don't know you. I don't care if you get shot by the cops or like commit suicide by cop. Like, I don't know you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I don't really know half of these people.

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know why we're devoting so much screen time to you. I love this dog. I hope nothing bad happens to the dog.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And then we get one minute of Jules painting, the ugliest painting I've ever seen. This is very like me in high school listening to Tori Amos, like, painting something like this.

[Lauren Garoni]

It felt like a self portrait Julia Stiles would have painted in a late 90s film.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. But it's of course a portrait of Rue in hell. In heaven.

[Lauren Garoni]

I also watched the behind the scenes for this episode because it just auto generates after you watch, euphoria that I guess Hunter Schaefer did do these paintings.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. But she couldn't have possibly done this Seurat inspired one. That was the prop for LA Knights. And that lack of continuity annoyed me.

[Lauren Garoni]

You would be correct. I just. The BTS just showed her doing the Rue portrait. And so Hunter Schaefer was explaining that she was imagining the euphoria that Rue experienced through her drug addiction. And so that was what that was supposed to represent. Although, I don't know, you just see her sugar daddy kind of come in and go out of the scene. But seeing that he was upset about Rue's clothing that he thought was another guy guy, wouldn't he be like, who is this bitch that you keep painting and you're. You're sobbing over?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Jules is just in a gilded cage.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That appears to be her vibe. Lexi's ending was that she read the

[Lauren Garoni]

Bible and I guess she's still a writer on LA Knights. The sex work conversation. Like, I'm fine with Sam Levinson wanting to make his own version of like a Taylor Sheridan show, but in the world of euphoria, like, fine. I Shootouts. Great. The most insane way to kill yourself I've ever seen in my life. I'll go with it. But just to jump back to the previous episode. I'm sorry. In the Year of our Lord 2026, Cassie loses her role on LA Knights because Sharon Stone finds out that she has an only fans.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think Sharon Stone knew that, but she just got pushback from the network.

[Lauren Garoni]

The executive played by real life mega producer Brian Grace.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

Not sure if he was playing himself, but the whole conversation around sex work this entire season I found very bizarre. And I'm not sure what we're trying to do with that because the culmination of Cassie and Maddie's storyline is that they decide to stay living in the house that Cassie and Nate had. Because as she, as Cassie explains to Lexi, I owe more than it's worth. And they're going to have basically a hype house, but for Onlyfans girls where they will give them free room and board and also take a cut of their content.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I love that the conclusion to her story was that she's starting a Bop House.

[Lauren Garoni]

Like, well, also, it's like we're a little bit more ethical than Alamo, but like, not by much. Also, up until the last moments of the episode, we're given the impression that Maddy is just in sexual servitude to Alamo for the rest of her life. Life.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. That was crazy. I hope Rosalia can escape to the Bop house.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

Was she at that final episode?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think so. They kind of only really used her towards the end of the season.

[Lauren Garoni]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's cool to see her. I like the vibes. But they didn't really give her much to do.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. Going back to things that I liked about this episode. You had one of two choices with Rue. She was either going to live or she was going to die. And Sam Levinson chose to kill.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Kill her.

[Lauren Garoni]

His explanation was that Rue's own story has always mirrored his own story of addiction. When he was a teenager. And he made the point in this interview that if he was doing drugs today, he would be dead of a fentanyl overdose.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which is what happened to Angus Cloud,

[Lauren Garoni]

of course, also happened to Angus Cloud. It's a little confusing because. And I've seen discourse online trying to figure it out, it's not that confusing, but it's not that Roux overdose. It's that Alamo gave her Percocets that were late faced with fentanyl because he found out that she was a rat for the dea. I just want to pause for a second because watching this season of Euphoria, I'm like, what does this escalation of this storyline make me feel like? And I realize it makes me feel like watching the Fast and Furious series. And what I mean by that is the first Fast and Furious film that came out in 2001, they are stealing combination DVD VHS players. And by the seventh film they are arguing with NATO about international terror.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I stopped watching after whatever one had Devon Aoki in it.

[Lauren Garoni]

Too fast, too furious.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

That escalation feels like euphoria, like me explaining what happened to Ru. It's like this show started about like teenagers who are, you know, are a little wild sometimes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

And now it's like rue died at 23, 25 because she was poisoned with fentanyl.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They took a big stuff swing.

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[Lauren Garoni]

thing I found interesting is up until the series finale or this final episode aired, it was listed as a season finale. So I was like, are they gonna continue this storyline with Cassie and Maddie? I would watch the hell out of that show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It should just turn into their own thing because there are charact no longer fit in the world. Nate was one of them this season. Clearly didn't know what to do with him. Jules While I liked the plotline with Jules, she was barely on the show. Didn't seem like she was woven into the larger narrative in any way. Same goes with Lexi. The LA Knights thing felt like its own world that never really amounted to anything.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'm with you. Yeah, I mean we discussed this the last time we discussed Euphoria, but. But this was a very troubled season. It had many false starts. Sam Levinson had a particular vision for the series that the studio rejected and I guess this is the middle ground they agreed upon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, can we talk about Colman Domingo?

[Lauren Garoni]

I was just about to bring him up because he's so underused for the first half of the series that I was like, oh. Because Coleman Domingo is booked and busy but has had a long standing relationship prior to Euphoria with Sam Levinson. If you remember, he's the principal an assassination nation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I totally forgot about that.

[Lauren Garoni]

He's so good in that movie. But really the series finale is Colman Domingo's story. He sort of picks up after Rude dies and avenges her death and then becomes Harry Dean Stanton in Paris, Texas by the end of the show. I mean he is literally dressed like Harry Dean Stanton in Paris, Texas in

[Chelsea Fairless]

that final scene and he realized that violence is the answer.

[Lauren Garoni]

After all. This is also a world where sometimes the police exist in regards to like the dea, but then also if someone is shotgunned to death in front of 50 people at a strip club. No consequences.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I thought something more would come of that.

[Lauren Garoni]

So a big plot hole that a lot of people have been pointing out is why did the right hand man to Alamo empty Alamo's gun? That is how Colman Domingo is able to get the upper hand in this shootout. And it's because. Because in a deleted scene from a previous episode, we learned that that guy was the son or the brother of one of Colman Domingo's sponsees or sponsors.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh.

[Lauren Garoni]

Kind of an important scene to have had.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Because I was definitely like, why did he do that? We can obviously tell that while he has this very immoral job, he has more of a soul than Alamo does. But he did have no real motives, motive for making that decision.

[Lauren Garoni]

I really am intrigued what the legacy of Euphoria is going to be, because five years from now, a new generation watches that show cold. As I said before, the leaps of narrative of, like, we're high schoolers and, like, our friend's a drug addict to, like, DEA informant and shootouts to cow. To cow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is that the spin off we get Rue as cow.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think everyone involved in that show is happy that that chapter of their lives have come to an end. End. Whether you're someone like Alexa Demi, who seems to be the only one of this cast doing press this season, who's like, no, I don't want to work that much. Don't worry, I'm not being underused in Hollywood. I actually don't want to be booked and busy to someone like Sydney Sweeney, who is booked out for the next five years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Well, this show was an incredible thing to witness. And I wonder when we'll get the next Skins Euphoria type show.

[Lauren Garoni]

I know all we're left with with HBO are these half dozen Game of Thrones spin offs that we're never gonna watch. Watch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Rude. Okay, what else do we have to talk about?

[Lauren Garoni]

We have another exciting museum with an amazing theater opening up in Los Angeles in September. This is George Lucas's museum, the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, which got a major Vogue piece.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They always do that, though. That's how they unveiled the Academy museum as well in a Vogue photo shoot. But this one was very much about George Lucas and his wife, Melody Hobson, who is a very successful, very chic businesswoman who was the chair of Starbucks and DreamWorks.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. She ran a very successful venture capital firm. You know that she's major when you read the outfit credits. And it's Like Melody Hopson in her own Tom Brown.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And the Thom Browne looks incredible on her. It can really go either way.

[Lauren Garoni]

So Los Angeles is about to be blessed with an incredible museum that George Lucas has paid for himself. Himself. The rumored budget was between a billion and $1.5 billion, which is no skin off his back because he sold Lucasfilms, which contain Star wars and Indiana Jones, to the Disney company in 2012 for $4 billion. And this is a billionaire who is riching, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. The building looks insane. It looks like a spacecraft. It's like a modernist space age fantasy. And the photographs of the interiors, like that elevator bank that is just like glass tubes. Incredible.

[Lauren Garoni]

Looking at the photos made me incredibly emotional. Certainly there's been a lot of talk about the decline of Los Angeles recently, but seeing this structure and what George Lucas and Melody Hobson, their intention of trying to make it as egalitarian as possible. Anyone under 18 can come in for free. Anyone can use this beautiful library that they have. Melody Hopson made sure that everyone who enters the gift shop is able to buy something. You know, they have pencils for 25 cents. It's the best of what Los Angeles as a city can offer to people.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. And while we have a million movie theaters here and we have some of the greatest theaters in the world, nothing looks like this. We don't have anything like this.

[Lauren Garoni]

The closest we had was the Academy Museum Theater, which you referenced earlier in the episode, which to me is like the best theatrical experience. But I think this may get tried prompt by the Lucas Museum, which might actually make us go down to usc, an area of town we hardly ever visit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they took a lot more risks with the design of this building than they did with the Academy Museum. The Academy Museum leaves something to be desired architecturally for me, considering how expensive it was to build.

[Lauren Garoni]

Very true. The architect for the Lucas Museum is Ma Yanson of mad. Looking at his website, it seems like he designs a lot of buildings that look like space ships.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

More impressive. And I would love to get your thoughts. Chelsea is this gift shop, which George Lucas in this Vogue article is like. I'm going to be very hands on because I recently learned in building a museum, gift shops lose money. And I know about merchandising.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, he does. Can't wait for the gift shop. But also, we should get into the concept of this museum a little bit more. It is about narrative art, which is not a term that is used often. So I guess any sort of old art that involves storytelling, everything except abstract art. I would say could fall into that category.

[Lauren Garoni]

The Vogue article gives you the impression that it's mostly focused on illustrations. Like, there's one editorial that shows from George Lucas's own collection, a juxtaposition of an R. Crumb drawing with a Flash Gordon comic strip.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. And obviously this includes film and all sorts of things.

[Lauren Garoni]

It's also going to have props from the Star wars films, which I don't

[Chelsea Fairless]

really care about, but whatever you will when you visit. Maybe they did shoot the Ewok one where I grew up, or at least the part with the Ewoks.

[Lauren Garoni]

That is true, because what I think of George Lucas, I don't necessarily think of Los Angeles, even though he did go to usc, so its proximity to USC makes sense. But he had spent a good 10 or 15 years trying to build this museum in San Francisco, and the city put so many restrictions on him, gave him so much shit. He literally was like, you don't have

[Podcast Host]

to pay for it.

[Lauren Garoni]

I'll pay.

[Podcast Host]

Pay for it.

[Lauren Garoni]

And they were like, no. And so he went elsewhere. He went to Chicago, which is where his wife is from. And they too were like, put too many restrictions. And Los Angeles was like, guess what? We got a lot of land here.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great.

[Lauren Garoni]

If you asked me before I read this article, how prominent would F1 racer Lewis Hamilton be in the piece, I would have said very little. I was not aware that Lewis Hamilton, Kim Kardashian's current boyfriend friend, is besties with George Lucas.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Seemingly Interesting. I don't think we've talked about Lewis and Kim dating, which is really the most noteworthy bit of Kardashian news from the past six months.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, Kendall and Jacob Elordi are dating.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That too.

[Lauren Garoni]

Jacob Elordi, who was supposed to be on the can jury and was like, I can't because I injured my foot. Then went to Japan with Ken Kendall. Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. Speaking of the Kardashians, something horrible happened to me. I had one of Kourtney Kardashian's Lemmy sleep gummies, which is like a Melatonin gummy.

[Lauren Garoni]

Did you not know it was a Lemmy Melatonin gummy?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I knew it was a Lemmy Melatonin gummy. What I didn't know is that when certain people take melatonin, they can have vivid nightmares. I have had the scariest dreams I've ever had. I woke up in a sweat panic, and it's because I haven't used melatonin since I was in high school. I tried it back then when I first started Having insomnia. I was like, this shit doesn't work. Never tried it again. But apparently some people have this exact reaction to melatonin, So I can never have one of those Kourtney Kardashian gummies again.

[Lauren Garoni]

You're just making me really wish that she had some commercial for these melatonin gummies where, like drug add she has to reach the possible side effects in her very monotone voice. Vivid nightmares that will wake you up in a cold sweat are possible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Can we get into Steven Spielberg's new movie?

[Lauren Garoni]

George Lucas's friend, Steven Spielberg? I love that you put Disclosure Day trailer and early chatter in our outline for this week, because I've seen the trailer months ago. Has this just come on your radar?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just found out about it this week.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. This explains a lot, because this movie seems engineered for you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. It really does. And it's not even that I'm the biggest Spielberg head. Like, I haven't loved a Steven Spielberg movie since Minority Report. And that has to be over 20 years old at this point.

[Lauren Garoni]

I believe almost 25 years old. So Disclosure Day sees Steven Spielberg get back on his alien shit. The log line line is, if you

[Podcast Host]

found out we weren't alone, if someone

[Lauren Garoni]

showed you, proved it to you, would that frighten you? Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, you should be frightened because it is real, Lauren, just so you know.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. The logline continues. This summer, the truth belongs to 7 billion people. We are coming close to Disclosure Day. Now. I sent you a clip of Joe Rogan excitedly talking about Disclosure Day and the trailer and the. And they kept talking about Disclosure Day as if this is a known thing in the UAP community. To which I asked you, is this a thing?

[Chelsea Fairless]

To my knowledge, Disclosure Day isn't a thing, but disclosure is a very commonly used term in the UAP truther community,

[Lauren Garoni]

which is, when is the government going to disclose that these UAPS actually exist?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How would the public react to disclosure? It's used in those sorts of comments context.

[Lauren Garoni]

That blew my mind because I was like, oh, this is not an original idea. I guess he's. He's an OG UAP person.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He is. When you consider Close Encounters, a lot of the stuff in Close Encounters very much mimics experiences that people have actually had.

[Lauren Garoni]

I just had a frightening thought of Spielberg on Joe Rogan to promote this movie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think he'd do that. He doesn't need to do that. Joe Rogan is already promoting this movie movie himself.

[Lauren Garoni]

So the idea is that. And this is a real thing within the UAP community that over the last 50 years, let's say the government has sort of tested out, could we reveal this information to the public? And they've just been like, it's too much.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it's been more than 50 years. This would have been since the 1940s.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay. Sorry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I'm just saying.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think it is understood that. That disclosing this to the public could cause mass hysteria, could threaten some religious institutions. Theoretically. There would also obviously be questions about things like reverse engineering programs, you know,

[Lauren Garoni]

meaning can the UAPs reverse our technology or can we reverse theirs or can

[Chelsea Fairless]

we reverse engineer their technology? Basically, the thing is, we are in an arms race with China about who can reverse engineer these crafts first. And whoever does will have a huge military advantage. And everyone else will be basically.

[Lauren Garoni]

Do you think it's less that Steven Spielberg wanted to make another Alien film and it's more that Spielberg wants to force the government's hand to actually have a disclosure day?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know about force the government's hand. I think his perspective on it is more like this is happening. And what if the government was upfront about it? What would that look like? Look like? But what really attracted me to this film from watching the trailer was what I saw of Emily Blunt's performance, which

[Lauren Garoni]

is not AI They've started the press run of this. So in the trailer, she is a meteorologist and she is overcome with some sort of entity and starts speaking in alien like language.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Basically. Terrifying. And in the trailer, I think it's suggested that she was abducted as a child.

[Lauren Garoni]

And, you know, yeah, she has some connection to Josh o'. Connor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There is a really bad CGI deer in this trailer. Unfortunately, that looks like that sucks, but I can deal.

[Lauren Garoni]

But then they seem to have done practically Josh o' Connor running from the police, the government, and driving a car through a house.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Perfect. Can't wait for that. I'm so excited. I will be there on opening day. I will buy whatever stupid themed popcorn bucket AMC is producing. I'm down.

[Lauren Garoni]

You know what? That's the movie you should break your 40x cherry on. We should see disclosure day in 40x.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You're right. That's perfect.

[Lauren Garoni]

I did think it was cute. Before we move on, I don't know if you saw this photo, but Josh o', Connor, Colman Domingo, who's also in this movie, Colman Domingo in everything, and Emily Blunt, they all up showed, showed up to the first press day for disclosure day in various vintage Spielberg T shirts. So Josh o' Connor wore an ET one. Colman Domingo wore Jurassic park one. Emily Blunt wore a jaw shirt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I saw a tweet of that photo that was like that one wall at Urban Outfitters. And it's so true.

[Lauren Garoni]

Wow, wow, wow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I forgot about that wall. I don't know if they still exist in Urban Outfitters, but they certainly did in the early 2000s when we would go into that one on 14th street and 6th Ave. Yeah, I don't even

[Lauren Garoni]

know what's in an Urban Outfitters anymore. There's the one that's on Ventura. And I was recently running errands and Paul was like, when was the last time you went into that store? Cuz that was like my teenage Urban Outfitters. And I was like, I definitely stopped buying like 15 years ago. But there was a time where I would just walk in and go, anything resonating. And I'm like, no, I'm. I'm too old.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. I used to shop there all the time, buying those horrible, like, early 2000s, like, scoop neck t shirts that were just so long. Long.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know, and like, horrible leopard print skinny jeans, guys.

[Lauren Garoni]

That was Chelsea's silhouette in college. You had skinny jeans. You had the Jeffrey Campbell.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Don't even talk about it. Don't even talk about it. I'm traumatized.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I wasn't much better.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was a really rough time for fashion. Not just for us, but for everyone. Which is why when I see younger people sort of fetishizing the street fashion of the early 2000s and the indie sleaze look, I'm repulsed by it. Because for me, fashion was disgusting then. Unless it was like, you know, Alexander McQueen, Nicolas Ghesquiere, like, high fashion type stuff, but street fashion. Ew.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, but they're not really trying to recreate it. It's always like, Kate Moss at Glastonbury. It's like, okay, the best of the best best.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Actually, Kate Moss was the best thing happening in terms of street style during that period, for sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

Of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, what else? Charlie XCX's album cover music fashion film.

[Lauren Garoni]

She has debuted the. Are they still album covers? Speaking of being way too old, of

[Chelsea Fairless]

course they're album covers. What else would they be called?

[Lauren Garoni]

I don't know. The digital art release for Charlie XCX's new alternative album. Anyway, it features John Cale, Marc Jacobs, and Martin Scorsese in a very moody black and white photo that honestly could be a John Varvatos ad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. It's so John Varvatos ad.

[Lauren Garoni]

Actually But I do think it's really smart for her to take this direction because it's basically impossible after you make an unbelievably zeitgeisty album to do a follow up. So I think everything she's doing sonically and then also artistically with this cover art to do a complete 180 is probably for the best.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It is a hard pivot, and it's the opposite of what we expect for a female pop star's album cover. We expect a photo of a scantily clad woman looking really hot. You know, like, that's what pop album covers have been historically. So this is very, very unique in that respect.

[Lauren Garoni]

So John Cale, people probably have an understanding of him given his collaboration with Charli XCX earlier this year on the I'm Gonna Die in this house song from Wuthering Heights. But most famously, he was a part of Velvet Underground. And I think our favorite fact about him, married to Bessie Johnson for a time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Love it. He is the least surprising of the three just because he's recently worked with Charlie. Mark.

[Lauren Garoni]

Mark.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not super surprising in that he is so aware of youth culture that he would obviously say yes.

[Lauren Garoni]

And she has been in Marc Jacobs campaigns, A heaven campaign. And then Marc Jacobs bad campaign a couple years ago.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's Martin Scorsese that's the surprising choice.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, Marc Jacobs is surprising just because Anthony Vaccarello of St. Laurent was in her SS26 music video. And she is currently a brand ambassador, the beauty ambassador for Saint Laurent. So you would think it would be him, but Marc Jacobs, I mean, anyone would recognize him, I think, or most people would.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He hasn't had a long enough career. And even Marc Jacobs, like, Marc Jacobs is not of the same generation as John Cale and Martin Scorsese. Like, these guys are in their 80s. He is in his 60s. Like, he is Gen X. He is young to be on this cover.

[Lauren Garoni]

He's the youngest person on the COVID Yeah. Yes. The Martin Scorsese inclusion is the most puzzling. We don't really have any context for it. Obviously, Charlie is in movies now, but I have to assume that this is because his daughter. Yeah, his chronically online TikTok famous daughter, Francesca Scorsese, when the request came in, was like, you have to do this, dad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, correctly. But the release of this album has led to a lot of AI fan edits where people are recreating it with three different people that embody music, fashion, film, respectively. So I wanted to ask you, Lauren, who is your trio?

[Lauren Garoni]

Madonna.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay.

[Lauren Garoni]

Michael Mann.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay.

[Lauren Garoni]

Azzedine Alaya. Can I include someone who's passed away?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, you can't include someone that's passed away.

[Lauren Garoni]

Phoebe Philo.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That would be cool. See, if I had to do the same John Varvato style photography, I would want to go with anti establishment people. So I would do Patti Smith. Ray Kawakubo, who would never say yes, but in my fantasy, she did. And Whoopi Goldberg.

[Lauren Garoni]

That's good. That's really good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like John Galliano could have been another choice for fashion. He probably would have said yes, I would think. Whereas, like, Musha Prada, like, would have definitely said no. Donatello would have said yes.

[Lauren Garoni]

I almost picked Henry Rollins. While I love Black Flag and his work in Black Flag, I mean, I guess I could have also picked him for film as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

He's music, fashion, and film.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, just three. Henry Rollins.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know who would also be good? Cher. Oh, that's one bitch. For music, fashion, and film.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think we solved it. All right, what else? I mean, this has been talked about to death at this point, but over the weekend, Dua Lipa and Callum Turner married in a civil ceremony at the old Marylebone Town Hall.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So who did she marry exactly?

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, I was gonna ask you this because you have face blindness with actors. He is a British actor. He started out as a model. He is rumored to be the new James Bond Bond.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay.

[Lauren Garoni]

He is in that movie. We've seen the trailer for One Night Only, which is that new rom com where it's an alternate reality where single people can only for one evening, which is not explained in the trailer. And we got very confused.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't even remember that, but I'll take your word for it.

[Lauren Garoni]

He's been in, you know, an Apple TV series called Masters of the Air. George Clooney film called the Boys in the Bus. Things we have not seen.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Okay. Dua Lipa wore Schiaparelli, a clear homage to Bianca Jagger's Eve Saint Laurent wedding suit. So cute. I feel like there's nothing better than a bride who looks unfussy, you know, in haute couture.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It doesn't look like she was trying too hard. It doesn't look like she was uncomfortable. I think wearing a skirt suit is inherently more casual than wearing a gown. Especially a poofy, princessy gown.

[Lauren Garoni]

Well, yes, and I thought it was very cool that she did a Carrie Bradshaw and Mr. Big Move of having a civil ceremony. I was reading in the New York Times that they were not able to rent out this Venue because it's not available for private events. So she and Callum Turner got married with 11 other people. And I assume that she chose this location because other famous Brits have gotten married there, including Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr, Liam Gallagher, Jude Law, as well as Lena Dunham and Sylvester Stallone. So go figure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. You make these people sound like couples. Lena Dunham and Sylvester Stallone, Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney. I also loved the bouquet of poppies. I feel like this could potentially set trends because they were poppies that were like at the peak of their blooming, which happens like roughly 30 seconds before the they die. Like they caught these poppies on their last moment of life.

[Lauren Garoni]

She's so cool for that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garoni]

I think she will start another trend because there has been, and we've discussed this, a lot of celebrities tend to borrow from Grace Kelly's wedding dress as like the go to bridal reference. And I feel like Dua Lipa has opened the door. Even though we knew to us, Bianca Jagger's Yves Laurent skirt suit is like the wedding look. Something you recommended I get married in actually, actually will be kind of the go to reference. I think we're going to see more bridal skirt suits.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope we do. I think it's always a good look.

[Lauren Garoni]

I also thought it was cool that she got married in a civil ceremony. I was like, you know what? Who needs a big wedding? And then yesterday I saw paparazzi images of her and Callum Turner on the way to Sicily. Because I guess this weekend they'll be doing a three day wedding celebration. Celebration.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. And this is where we're getting the big Schiaparelli gown, I'm sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. In other wedding news, TMZ reports that Carly Kloss was invited to Taylor Swift's wedding.

[Lauren Garoni]

I wonder who leaked that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know.

[Podcast Host]

But Chelsea, I don't understand.

[Lauren Garoni]

They were friends and then they had a falling out. Why would Carly not be invited to Taylor's wedding?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, look, it's very lesbian to go to your ex's wedding, you know.

[Lauren Garoni]

Oh, you're just outright saying it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I've done that. And you know, it is possible that Carly could have a speak now moment potentially and they could run away together graduate style. Kaylor Truther fantasy.

[Lauren Garoni]

So you're specifically a Kaylor, not necessarily a Gaylor Truther.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'm more. I'm Kaylor. More specifically, I don't think that she's secretly gay. I think that she, she's like, has a touch of the buy.

[Lauren Garoni]

This is something that Chelsea and I debated during our live show, which is available for purchase on our Patreon, something we didn't actively promote as a segment because we were terrified that Taylor Swift would sue us and still are. But it seems like they buried the hatchet if Carly Kloss is coming to Taylor's wedding.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I like it. It makes me happy. Okay. Speaking of other toxic friendships, Karamo is on the COVID of People magazine this week. It has an incredible headline which is Surviving My Reality TV Nightmare.

[Lauren Garoni]

And in this piece, Karamo reveals information that, honestly, you couldn't waterboard out of me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Truly. He reveals that he was accused of sexual harassment, I believe, in the first couple of weeks of filming.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yes. And that's the headline that's gone around. But the context that he gives is so much worse because he's like, I started to see someone during the casting process that was in the cast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, I had a fun and flirty relationship, is how he describes it. So you fooled around with someone. My guess is Tan Anthony or jvn. There's no way it's Bobby, because they don't have beef.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, it's a little confusing because you're led to believe that the person that he hooked up with is who accused him of harassing them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that's what he thought had happened because he had hooked up with one of them. Then this complaint comes out, but he later found out that the complaint was from an anonymous third party, not one of the cast members. So I don't know what to think. I don't know what he did. I imagine he grabbed someone's ass or something.

[Lauren Garoni]

But also, this is something he freely admits. And he's like, I was cleared of all wrongdoing. Then People magazine followed up with someone in production, and they were like, we dispute his characterization of a video events, but this source confirms an investigation was conducted and says all parties wanted to move on with the show. Which doesn't really sound like he was cleared of all wrongdoing.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garoni]

He also says that the mental abuse that he experienced during the shoot included executives and producers telling him that he was replaceable at any moment. Which is stressful. But also, it's like, I mean, you are part of an ensemble.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And of course, they were happy to replace any of them, I'm sure.

[Lauren Garoni]

And Bobby left and he was replaced.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. There's the print interview in People, and then there's also the video interview that he did that was completely separate, where he does talk about the incredibly fucked up Queer Eye. Episode where they forced him to drive and then had a fake cop pull him over as part of a bit

[Lauren Garoni]

for the show, which I imagine those experiences and others that he details caused him to to start drinking again when she was sober for 12 years prior. But the last time we checked in on Kurama was the fact that he dipped out. Undoing press at the last minute for the final season of Queer Eye. And TMZ revealed this detail that what sort of really is the straw that broke the camel's back for him was that his mother overheard on set, she was wearing headphones while production was was going and the mics were still on. Some cast members, we still don't know who, but probably Tan and jvn.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, we know it was Tan, JVN and Anthony. There you go, all talking about him.

[Lauren Garoni]

So in this People magazine piece, Karamo confirms that, but he's like, I don't know what they said because I never asked my mother. And I was like, come on, you're getting like Jason Lewis. Like, this is a juicy press placement. If you're going to do this whole editorial, like, I need you to reveal what was said totally. However, he does reveal, and this is the piece when I say, you couldn't waterboard this out of me. There have been a lot of online comments about his face and did he get plastic surgery. And he addressed that by saying that he got a botched buccal fat procedure during the pandemic because he gained 70 pounds. And instead of losing that weight, he instead immediately thought, let me get buccal fat removal and that will make make me look skinnier.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, he gained £17 or £70?

[Lauren Garoni]

70.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What?

[Lauren Garoni]

I read the whole article. He says that he gained 70 pounds. And so his reaction to that was to get a buccal fat removal procedure. However, what happened was, and this is where it gets like Linda Evangelista with the cool sculpting. He had a complication where saliva was building up into his cheeks because the scar tissue had hardened in his his mouth after the procedure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Guys, don't get your buccal fat removed. Don't do it. It'll just make you look haggard later.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, this is a crazy quote. During season two of his show. This is referring to Karamo's daytime talk show. He lost 70 pounds because he realized that, quote, the more weight I lost, the less scar tissue. You could see the scar tissue and saliva were still there, but because I was skinnier, it looked kind of of normal. I stopped eating because it helped the feeling of not having so Much scar

[Podcast Host]

tissue girl go to a doctor for

[Lauren Garoni]

revision surgery, which he eventually did like a year ago. But you just let that slide for a few years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm still stuck on the losing and gaining 70 pounds part. Like, I literally didn't notice.

[Lauren Garoni]

I mean, I guess the plastic surgery did distract from the weight gain and loss.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, I feel like JV gained and lost like 40 or 50 pounds. But you're telling me Karamo gained and lost 70 pounds?

[Lauren Garoni]

This is what he's saying. So the reason he is doing this press piece is not because he loves humiliation, but because he recently launched a new wellness app called Key and he plans to release a self help book and a celebrity interview series. Guys, stop doing press before things are out. Don't tell me you're going to write a a book. Do press when you have the book.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't get this strategy either.

[Lauren Garoni]

My other favorite detail about this plastic surgery botching is in the article. He says he decided not to sue the doctor because, quote, everyone told him I wouldn't get anywhere. And he's opening up about his story in hopes of helping others, which, like Linda Evangelista in the cool sculpting. It's like people need to know about these obscure complications. Quite like your Lemi melatonin gummies and

[Chelsea Fairless]

your vivid my psychosis and subsequent breakdown.

[Lauren Garoni]

Yeah, well, I'm glad you could pull it together for this episode.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I'm glad I was actually able to sleep last night.

[Lauren Garoni]

Okay, so I'm sorry, you went and saw Elle, took the Kourtney Kardashian melatonin gummy, and you're shocked that you had horrific dreams.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I actually took the gummy on Tuesday night, which was my night off from the Isabelle who Paris cross screenings. All right, not related.

[Lauren Garoni]

Should I try these gummies, see what happens?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. No one should ever try these gummies.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, ciao. I think we've said it all. We've said more than enough. I mean, we gave the a non consensual Kardashaholics segments in between other topics.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We did. We're done for the day. Thank you guys for listening. We will be back next week.

[Lauren Garoni]

All right, bye. Bye, guys.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bye.