280: A Midsummer Mailbag Episode (Feat. Ione Gamble)

Summary

EVERY OUTFIT – EPISODE 280: A MIDSUMMER MAILBAG (FEAT. IONE GAMBLE)
Release Date: July 3, 2026

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Overview

In this lively and wide-ranging mailbag episode, Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garrone, hosts of Every Outfit, dig into audience questions about Sex and the City, current pop culture romances, celesbian news, late-in-life sexuality, fashion trends, and more. Their guest, Ione Gamble (Polyester magazine founder and author of The Polyester Book of Bad Taste), joins for an in-depth chat about taste, fashion magazines, and alternative wedding style. As always, the hosts pepper the episode with sharp takes, personal anecdotes, biting humor, and genuine affection for their pop culture obsessions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. Sex and the City: Fashion, ADHD, and Social Media (04:00 – 10:22)

• Which SATC Character Has the Most Insufferable Social Media?
  • Lauren: “Obvious answer is Charlotte...she had an Instagram dedicated to her dog.” (04:01)
  • Chelsea: "I think Samantha would just post thirst traps... Miranda would be a lurker. Carrie’s captions would be long and dramatic." (04:23)
• Phoebe Philo’s Flower Brooch
  • Both hosts covet it but balk at the $1,395 price. Chelsea suggests M&S Schmalberg for Carrie Bradshaw-worthy alternatives (06:24).
• Iconic But Actually Bad Outfits
  • Lauren: “Never fucked with the pink Oscar de la Renta dress" (07:01)
  • Both agree Carrie's Halston dress in Sex and the City 2 is overrated, with Chelsea calling it “like it’s from Kohl’s” (08:19).
• If Carrie Had ADHD Meds, Would the Show Be Boring?
  • Lauren and Chelsea dismiss the idea that ADHD treatment would dull her chaos: “It would help her manage her symptoms, but ... not fundamentally change this crazy ass bitch.” (09:42)

II. Listener & Literary Mailbag (13:13 – 16:33)

• Handling Maria Breaking Samantha’s Plates

  • Chelsea: “I would lock my doors and call a domestic violence hotline…In the real world, this would be considered intimate partner violence.” (12:37)
  • Lauren: “I think I’d have shouted ‘what the fuck’ several times, then sent her a bill” (13:08)

• Sex, Change and the City Book

  • Chelsea: “This book is genius...very offended I was not asked to contribute.” (14:18)
  • Lauren highlights standout essays, including Brie Larose’s "SATC, The Real Housewives, and The Rage of Middle Age." The hosts love the book’s wild fan fiction and illustrations of Aiden and Steve.

III. Pop Culture Romances & News (16:33 – 22:16)

• Jussie Smollett & Karamo
  • “A match made in Heaven. Sure, why not… Both have stunt queen tendencies.” (16:42)
  • They predict a whirlwind romance, reality show potential, and possibly “a fast wedding and an even quicker, incredibly messy divorce.” (18:02)
• Kendall Jenner & Jacob Elordi
  • Chelsea: “I care.” (18:59)
  • Lauren: “Jacob Elordi lied about a foot injury to go to Hawaii with Kendall”—gossip dissected.
  • Both speculate on the Kardashian/Jenner awkwardness of dating serious actors.

IV. TV & Books Hot Takes (20:17 – 21:56)

• The Testaments (Handmaid’s Tale Spin-Off)

  • Chelsea is loving “teen Handmaid’s Tale,” with “beekeeping and harp lessons” (20:40).
  • “It’s less up and violent than the Handmaid’s Tale was.” (21:25)

• Widow’s Bay

  • Lauren praises the horror/comedy hybrid: “It’s the first show that’s given me the feeling of Buffy—authentically good horror, but funny.” (25:49)
  • “Parks and Rec meets IT.” (26:07)

• Tina Fey’s The Four Seasons

  • Chelsea: “Streaming version of The Big Chill for Gen X. Cheesy, but very comforting.” (27:05–27:40)
  • Discusses confusing the order of the months and couples’ realism.

V. True Crime: JonBenet Ramsey Netflix Series (28:52 – 31:00)

• Breaking news: Melissa McCarthy & Clive Owen will star; both expect to cover the series extensively.
• “Subreddit is not optimistic—people fear it will be Ramsey family propaganda.” (29:54)

VI. Middle America Cultural Coverage (33:24 – 37:42)

• Responding to a “cowgirl correspondent,” the hosts cover:
  • Jelly Roll’s Divorce: “RIP Love” (34:04), thoughts on his ex’s podcast and their fertility struggle.
  • Dolly Parton’s Truck Stop: Lauren admires story time for truckers, wishes branding matched Dolly’s aesthetic, and jokes about needing a road trip to see it.

VII. Celesbian/Queer Women News (38:53 – 54:51)

• Miley Cyrus Barbie? Chelsea uninterested: “It looks like 2026 Miley—does not look like Miley from previous eras.” (37:56)
• Robbie Hoffman Controversy ([39:13–41:55])
  • SNL-level celiac disease cancellation dissected: “What a crazy thing to get canceled for.” (39:34)
  • Chelsea: “She’s the lesbian Larry David.” (41:33)
  • Anecdote: “I did see Robbie Hoffman at a screening… she was so lovely and so cool.” (42:23)
• Bjork’s Rumored Girlfriend
  • “I love the idea of this couple… can’t imagine that studs are super abundant in Iceland...this chick is really hot.” (45:22)
• Late-in-life Lesbians: Camille Bidot Waddington and other icons.
• Ione Sky’s Memoir Say Everything & Celesbian Triangulation
  • “Her safe word with Jenny Shimizu was ‘London.’ That is life-altering for me.” (50:13)
• Butch Fashion Icons: Radclyffe Hall, k.d. lang, and Mickalene Thomas praised; caveat on ‘butch’ vs. menswear.
• Real L Word: Chelsea may have been an extra in Brooklyn episode, has met several cast members (53:13).

VIII. Ask Us Anything: LA/Valley Life, Adulting, Drugs, Palm Springs (55:55 – 66:55)

• The Valley Explained

  • “The Valley is both a region and a state of mind—it’s the closest to suburbia LA gets… there’s a ton of parking.” (55:57)

• Turning 30 Advice (start ~57:25)

  • Chelsea: “Definitely quit vaping…Do I take this advice myself? Absolutely not. But you should.” (58:00)
  • Lauren: “Quit comparing yourself to peers—‘it all evens out.’” (58:14)
  • IKEA Rule: No more than 30-40% IKEA after 30! (59:54)

• Palm Springs Recommendations (61:05–64:51)

  • Market Market for shopping and archival Jeremy Scott
  • Modern Way for furniture
  • Bar Cecil (“Inspired by Cecil Beaton. Obviously we approve.” [62:33])
  • Mr. Lyons: classic steakhouse
  • The Parker Palm Springs, especially Normas for brunch
  • Liberace house drive-by and Cabazon outlets for epic shopping

• Dating Someone Who Does Drugs (coke/ket)

  • “YOLO, occasional use is normal, but frequency and your feelings matter.” (65:05 - 66:31)
  • “If he missed a date because he was stuck in a K hole, maybe break up.” (66:39)

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IX. Ione Gamble Segment (67:07 – END)

Fashion, Taste, and the Internet

• Clavicular Walking at Paris Fashion Week

  • Ione: “I enjoyed it because no one cared...humbling for him.” (67:27)
  • Lauren: “He’s a very bad model who cannot walk.” (68:06)

• Favorite Fashion Magazines

  • Ione: Lula magazine formative but “doesn’t hold up”; loves early 2000s Nova. (69:56)
  • Lauren: French Vogue (Roitfeld era), Us Weekly’s stars—they’re just like us! (72:15)

• Are Rich People Dressing Worse?

  • Chelsea: “Logo mania has been very destructive for the 1%.” (74:12)
  • Ione: “All of the extremely rich people I know who aren’t in fashion are just logo people.” (75:11)

Weddings & Being a Non-Basic Bride

• Vivienne Westwood Wedding Dress Over?
  • Consensus that Taylor Swift would “kill” the hype for the dress. (75:47)
  • Ione: “My dress was designed by Edward Meadham...modeled on an Anna Sui baby doll dress...Priscilla Presley through a John Waters gaze.” (76:22)
  • Advice: “Pop of color, unconventional length, mix vintage and modern. Ultimately, do what feels like you.” (78:04)

Fashion, Influence, and Taste in the Algorithm Era

• Is It Even Possible to Have Taste Anymore?
  • Ione: “It’s much more difficult...it would be even harder for someone in their teens or twenties. Internet’s changed.” (85:47)
  • “Influencers have replaced editors as ‘taste-makers’ for most people.” (88:04)
  • Chelsea: “I feel really lucky to have my tastes more influenced by magazine editors than anyone else.” (87:37)
• Nostalgic Culture Obsessions
  • Ione: Vice magazine, Patrick Wolf, music/fashion crossover, House of Holland, Topshop x Designer collabs (92:29)
• Polyester Book of Bad Taste
  • Theme inspired by John Waters’ quote: “Have faith in your own bad taste.” Ione wanted to “celebrate fashion and pop culture considered low taste and prove it could be intellectual or rigorous.” (84:05)
  • Tavi Gevinson’s essay discussed as highlight (88:48).

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X. Notable Quotes & Moments

• “If she did have ADHD and she was on Adderall, it wouldn't completely change her personality...it would not fundamentally change this crazy ass bitch.” —Chelsea (09:42)
• “I would lock my doors and call a domestic violence hotline. Because like on Sex and the City, this is a comedic scene. But in the real world, I believe this would be considered intimate partner violence.” —Chelsea (12:37)
• “Jussie and Karamo: a match made in Heaven. They both have stunt queen tendencies.” —Chelsea (16:42)
• “I'm not excited for people to divorce, but now you're making me excited for a fast wedding and an even quicker, incredibly messy divorce.” —Lauren (18:02)
• "Robbie Hoffman is the lesbian Larry David." —Chelsea (41:33)
• "Are we pro jelly shoes? In my heart, yes. In my head, no. They are so uncomfortable, especially in the summer—it's just blisters all the time." —Ione (80:53)
• On taste: “I wanted to...celebrate parts of fashion and pop culture that were considered low taste and interrogate the reasons why and kind of prove that they can be intellectual or as rigorous as other things.” —Ione (84:05)

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XI. Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:00 – Sex and the City rapid fire Q&A
• 13:13 – Listener voicemail: Sex, Change and the City
• 16:33 – Jussie Smollett & Karamo discussed
• 20:17 – The Testaments / Handmaid’s Tale
• 25:49 – Widow's Bay show recommendations
• 28:52 – JonBenet Ramsey series news
• 33:24 – Cowgirl Correspondent & Jelly Roll
• 38:53 – Miley Barbie, celesbian news, and Robbie Hoffman
• 45:22 – Bjork’s new girlfriend rumors
• 55:55 – What is The Valley?
• 57:25 – What to leave behind before turning 30
• 61:05 – Palm Springs recommendations
• 65:05 – Dating, drugs, and boundaries
• 67:07 – Ione Gamble joins; fashion and taste deep dive
• 75:36 – Is the Vivienne Westwood wedding dress over?
• 80:51 – Are we pro jelly shoes?
• 84:05 – Bad taste as thesis of Polyester
• 88:48 – Tavi Gevinson’s place in alt-mag culture
• 92:29 – Formative obsessions and closing nostalgia

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XII. Tone Highlights

• Witty, irreverent, and deeply invested in both fashion criticism and pop culture drama.
• Self-aware “coastal elite” admissions, with audience-inclusive humor.
• Blunt honesty about their own consumption habits, insecurities, and preferences.

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XIII. For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode delivers classic Every Outfit: specific SATC nostalgia, sharp pop culture dissection, celesbian/queer updates, and niche fashion insights, plus (with guest Ione Gamble) a substantial conversation about what taste is and how hard it is to develop a personal style in a world ruled by the algorithm. For fashion nerds, queer culture lovers, or anyone curious about what's over, underrated, or quietly iconic, this jam-packed mailbag is essential listening.

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Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garrone]

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[Lauren Garrone]

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty?

[Listener Callers]

Great gowns.

[Lauren Garrone]

Beautiful gowns.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't.

[Lauren Garrone]

Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Today we are doing a mailbag episode. We will be joined later in the episode by our friend Ione Gamble from Polyester magazine. But first, Lauren has a very important announcement.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I just wanted to update you about the Sarah Jessica Parker jalapeno wine of it all, because it is out really well. There's a caveat. I checked our local Total Wine in West Hollywood. It is not in the West Hollywood store. So I went online. They will not deliver it either. It is available in some stores. So I was like, all right, I'll go to Woodland Hills to pick up this jalapeno wine. Chelsea, the closest Total Wine that has it is in Wisconsin.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is there a high demand for Sarah Jessica Parker jalapeno infused wine in Wisconsin?

[Lauren Garrone]

I do not know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Pairs nicely with a cheddar.

[Lauren Garrone]

I did find a website called Wine Anthology that does have it. So I will order it and we'll finally get to see what this is all about.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I've been checking Postmates, like every other day to see if it's at Total Wine. There's actually lots of places around here that stock In Vivo X Sarah Jessica Parker, which is the broader wine, I guess, sub label that they created with Sarah Jessica Parker.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, don't get me Wrong, Chelsea, you can find the Pinot Noir at the West Hollywood Total Wine, but the jalapeno wine, I guess there's not much of a demand for it. But I did want to shout out because when we first talked about Sarah Jessica Parker's spicy wine, a fuckette named Ray, her husband slid into our DMs to tell us that he made a serrano infused olive oil that goes very well with a martini and he asked if he could send us some. We have tried it. It is incredible. The packaging is incredible. I have not tried it in a martini yet, but I drizzled it on an heirloom tomato salad and it was great. I think Tat used it to make some fish the other night.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not you being a hot oil influencer,

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know about that. So it's called Rossi's Hot Oil. We will put a link in our show notes to it. This is a fuckette produced every outfit approved product.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We should design our own seal like they have for the Allure Beauty Awards. Every outfit approved Best of Beauty.

[Lauren Garrone]

We'll get on it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, let's start with some Sex and the City questions. We got some good ones. I love this one in particular. Which Sex and the City character would have the most insane, insufferable social media presence?

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, the obvious answer is Charlotte, as we saw on end. Just like that she had an Instagram dedicated to her dog. But I think it may low key be Samantha because I feel like her social media would just constantly be filled with promoting her clients work. Like, I wouldn't follow Samantha, but I would have to mute her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think she would just post thirst traps. I actually don't think that she would be that annoying. Miranda, I don't think would have any sort of presence. Like I think she would just be a lurker. Carrie, obviously prone to long and dramatic captions for sure. But I feel like the fashion content would make it worth it. So yes, I agree with you. Charlotte would be hard if for no other reason than she would be really concerned about what other people think. So her social media would probably be boring. And I can also see her doing that thing that I really hate where people like post a carousel and then the caption is like, slide one. A night out with the girls.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh boy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Slide two. My sprinkle matcha or like whatever it

[Lauren Garrone]

is, but she wouldn't know how to format it in a way where it just goes from line to line. It's just like one block of text.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We're being so rude. To Charlotte, but who cares? She's a fictional character.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, thoughts on the Phoebe Philo flower brooch?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love it and would love to own it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, my thoughts about the flower brooch kind of extend to every piece of Phoebe Philo clothing, accessories, shoes, sunglasses. If you can afford it, go buy it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I just could not justify spending a thousand dollars on such a thing.

[Lauren Garrone]

$1395 to be exact. Which might be the most affordable thing that Phoebe Philo offers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, you can definitely get sunglasses and stuff like that for like $500. But yes, it is a piece on the lower end of the price spectrum for sure. Although it is very large to riff

[Lauren Garrone]

on Tom Wob scans from succession. It's a ludicrously colossal flower brooch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's not like one of those like tiny ass Chanel camellias or something?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, the way that it is styled on the model on the website, it's like affixed to the top of a blazer, so it sort of looks organza goiter

[Chelsea Fairless]

look for the girlies on a budget. If you want to replicate the look, I just want to suggest M and S Schmalberg, which is the last remaining flower factory in the United States. This is where Patricia Field got all of the flower brooches that Carrie wore on Sex in this City. And they do have an online store. And I think the most expensive ones they sell may be like $80 for something crazy, but most of them are more in the 20, $30.

[Lauren Garrone]

Thanks for the hot tip. Okay, which outfit is considered iconic but is actually bad?

[Chelsea Fairless]

What do you think?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, if we're going with personal preference, like, this is not a bad outfit per se. I've just never fucked with the pink Oscar de la Renta dress that Petrovsky got Carrie in season six.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I disagree. I love that dress.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's what I'm saying. Personal preference. But if we're going for an objectively bad Carrie outfit that people think is amazing, I. I think I would go with the Chanel logo blouse that she wears to meet the comic book guy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, hard disagree, but to each their own.

[Lauren Garrone]

But hear me out. People think it's iconic because of the Chanel blouse, but if you take the outfit as a whole, if you remember what it is styled with, it is styled with a teal bandana. And then these, they're not tie dye capris, but they're sort of these purple and pink ombre capris as a whole. It's not a good outfit. And I think it's considered iconic because of the Chanel top.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's considered iconic because most people think that it is a really bad outfit. I disagree with that read. I think it's an incredible outfit. I think I like it because it's clearly very inspired by the fashions of the Bronx, but also it feels very stonery to me. In a weird way, it is the

[Lauren Garrone]

soul of Patricia Field as an outfit. But what do you think is a bad outfit then?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think a bad outfit is the white Halston dress and the gold mirrored aviator sunglasses that Carrie wears in Sex and the City too. I would say this is the most iconic outfit from that film. Or one of a few.

[Lauren Garrone]

I would agree.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's bad. I think it looks like it's from Kohl's. I'm not into it.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is when Sarah Jessica Parker was involved with reviving Halston, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think this was product placement. But to me, the dress didn't feel very Carrie. No, she had some other good moments in Halston. Like I think her Met Gala look during that tenure was good.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, we're extending this to Sarah Jessica Parker now?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I'm just saying, not all Sarah Jessica Parker Halston revival outfits are bad, but this one, I believe, is bad.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, if Carrie had been prescribed ADHD meds in season one, would season two through six have been boring? As I love the framing of this question because it's presupposing that we all agree that Carrie has adhd.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I'm trying to think of what personality traits that she has that could point to that There's a level of disorganization. Like, even the way she, like, drops her handbag on the street when she first meets Mr. Big and stuff. And she has been known to be late.

[Lauren Garrone]

But are we trying to say that if she was on Adderall, she wouldn't have had an affair with Mr. Big?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Here's the thing. If she did have ADHD and she was on Adderall, it wouldn't completely change her personality. It would help her manage her symptoms, but it would not fundamentally change this crazy ass bitch. We know people on these meds. They're basically the same with slightly more executive functioning.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was gonna say, I'm married to a man with ADHD who is medicated. And I can tell you that that does not preclude someone from having bouts of executive dysfunction and hyper focus on tasks that some would say are not important.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, well, I live with an unmedicated spouse with adhd, so I win.

[Lauren Garrone]

So, no, I don't think Carrie being on ADHD meds. Even if she were, which I love, this invented lore would have made her boring as fuck. I think she would have made as chaotic personal and professional decisions. We are thrilled to be back to discuss one of our favorite sponsors, Reddit.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know, Reddit was an indispensable resource for today's episode.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, listeners often ask how we prepare for episodes and sometimes the answer is Reddit. Like for me, r popculturechat is how I keep abreast of the daily and honestly hourly comings and goings of celebrity culture.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, Reddit is the app for authentic conversations about anything and everything. If you can think of it, there's probably a subreddit for it.

[Lauren Garrone]

What I love about Reddit is one minute I can be digging into fan theories on rwidowsbay, and then the next minute I can find meal ideas for Morty on baby led weaning. On Reddit you get a conversation, different perspectives, thoughtful questions, and honest debate that can help me see things more clearly or decide that sometimes a PB&J sandwich is the perfect dinner choice for my one year old.

[Chelsea Fairless]

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[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

There's the Reddit app, which everyone should download. But beyond that, I love that they give me a curated homepage which suggests other subreddits that I might be interested in based on subreddits I've already been to.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next question. One of my favorite scenes is when Maria breaks Samantha's plates. Tell me what you would do in that situation.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, given my reaction to our harasser during the backroom screening, I guess nothing. Look, I don't think I would actively engage with Maria while there's porcelain shards flying everywhere.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I know exactly what I would do. I would lock my doors and I would call a domestic violence hotline. Because like on Sex and the City, this is a comedic scene. But in the real world, I believe this would be considered intimate partner violence, and I am not on board for that.

[Lauren Garrone]

Of course not. Well, to try to give a funny answer to this, I think I would have shouted like, what the fuck? Several times. But after the third plate crashed, I think I would have just let Maria run her course and then send her a bill for new plates.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Send her the CB2 registry. I honestly wouldn't care if someone broke my plates. I'm over them. I need a refresh in that department, I think.

[Lauren Garrone]

So possibly she did Samantha a favor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like when Samantha moved to that meatpacking district, she just, like, got all new everything, you know?

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess the bigger question is, did Maria stop at the plates? Did she continue into the glassware? Was she throwing flatware? You know? Or by the time she was done with the plate, she was like, all right, I'm done. Which would be embarrassing. Like, it's a funny scene, as you said. But, like, if you are actively having an unhinged moment, there's no way to sort of end those moments equally at a high point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True. Okay, we have a call.

[Listener Callers]

Hi, Lauren and Chelsea. Long time. First time. This is Sandra from Minneapolis. I had to ask, have you heard of Sex, Change and the City, edited by Tuck Woodstock and Nico Stratus? I just found it at my local queer bookstore. And. And I need to hear your take on it because there's lots of fun stuff in here, including a drawing of Aiden Steve, and fans like to go along with it. So let me know what you think. Bye.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I had not heard of this book until I received this call. I was able to download a PDF of the book from their publisher, and I will say this book is genius. And I am very offended that I was not asked to contribute.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. So the book is described as featuring personal essays, critical analysis, comics, poetry, artwork, games, and steamy short stories by 45 fabulous trans and queer contributors. I went through this PDF. Thank you for finding it and sending it to me. We, of course, will buy copies of this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, I just didn't have time to do that.

[Lauren Garrone]

What was your favorite piece?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I didn't read the whole book, so I can't speak to that. But the things I liked the fictional letter from Pedro Almodovar to Michael Patrick King, which was written by Connor Reed. I loved that. I loved the comic that was basically like Stanford having a full imaginary conversation with the Mary Queen of Scots doll. And I also loved the bit at the beginning where they basically pulled all the contributors from this book and asked them, like, which Sex and the City character would be most likely to start hormone replacement therapy. Miranda was the clear winner, but, you know, Samantha also got a significant amount of votes, and the theory was raised that she is a stealth trans woman, which is also basically what SNL said

[Lauren Garrone]

with the infamous Christina Aguilera sketch. Yeah, I mean, I think the point was made that she is on hormone replacement therapy, quite literally in the second film. Unsurprisingly, my favorite essay was Brie Larose's piece connecting Sex and the City to the Real Housewives of New York in an essay called satc. The Real Housewives and the Rage of Middle Age. As the caller reference, there is an illustration of Aiden fucking Steve. And no disrespect to this artist, Sarah Escoff, but Eden's face does look remarkably like David Duchovny. I also had this bizarre visceral reaction where I was like, I think Steve would be fucking Aiden. And then I read the caption. And the caption notes that most of the feedback for the artist was that same exact thought.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You aren't alone.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, let's get into some pop culture questions. Thoughts on Jussie Smollett and Karamo?

[Chelsea Fairless]

A match made in Heaven.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, this falls into a sure, why not category. They both seem to be messy public figures, so in that respect, they're perfect for each other.

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although Jussie is way messier than Karamo.

[Lauren Garrone]

Correct. I think the biggest red flag for me is just the speed of how I'm seeing this relationship. Like, there was a paparazzi photo at the beginning of the week of them hiking Runyon or Freimon, one of those places. But I've now seen them saying goodbye to each other at lax. There was a podcast appearance where Karamo says that Jessie Smollett is the one. It's just like, guys, this is a lot for one week. Like, save this rollout for over a month or two.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they both have stunt queen tendencies, and that is why they are basically the new Chris Appleton in Lucas Gage.

[Lauren Garrone]

Good call. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They have a similar level of fame. And this union like Chris Appleton and Lucas Gage will only make both of them more famous.

[Lauren Garrone]

Now the question becomes, how fast do they get married? Because I think Chris Appleton and Lucas Gage was that a couple months of dating.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was very, very fast. I definitely think that they will walk down the aisle, and honestly, I hope that they are together forever. I don't think they can break up, because can you imagine how fucking messy that would be?

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I'm not excited for people to divorce, but now you're making me excited for a fast wedding and an even quicker, incredibly messy divorce.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The divorce Media cycle could be really insufferable though. Although we might get into it. It's hard to say.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, for the first week, sure, but months on end, I don't think so.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, like, they both seem to be the kind of like, rise and grind types who love a motivational quote. You know, like they love a protein shake. They're kind of a bit more spiritual than religious. I can see this, like, I can see this working. I just think that because they're so similar in certain respects that it might, like, blow up in their faces later. But I wish them the best.

[Lauren Garrone]

I could definitely see a reality show with the two of them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. And their, like, surrogacy journey.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, boy. All right. Other relationships we may or may not care about. Do we care about Kendall and Jacob Elordi?

[Chelsea Fairless]

To quote the great Beyonce Knowles, I care.

[Lauren Garrone]

Go on.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They aren't particularly dramatic celebrities, so it's not exciting in that Jussie Karamo sort of way. But the union itself makes sense. They are both hot, they are both tall. They are like the sized up version of Timmy and Kylie.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I mean, what I care more about is it is now clear that Jacob Elordi lied about having a foot injury to get out of being on the jury for the Cannes Film Festival just so he could go to Hawaii with Kendall. Not cool, Jacob.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Not cool. But not the worst thing that he could do.

[Lauren Garrone]

I do look forward to Kendall like Kylie having to pretend to care about Jacob's film projects. Like Jacob's latest film project is some post apocalyptic film by Ridley Scott. Like, imagine Kendall having to make conversation with 80 something year old Ridley Scott at the after party.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think she could hack it. But I know what you're saying. Like, I even found it awkward, the fact that like Kylie Jenner had to see Willy Wonka probably more than once. You know, I do wonder if Jacob Elordi's name will end up on the Kris Jenner gingerbread house come this holiday season.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right, right, right, right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But we shall see. All right, a question for me, Chelsea. What are your thoughts on the Testaments?

[Lauren Garrone]

So this is the spin off to the Handmaid's Tale?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Is it a prequel?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. It takes place after the events of the Handmaid's Tale and it is truly my dream premise for a show because it is set at an all girls high school in Gilead.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's like teen Handmaid's Tale. Chase Infinity is the lead. She is incredible. And it's about her and her, like, little clique of this School. Like, she has the lesbian best friend that's in love with her. There's the Charlotte. Rowan Blanchard plays kind of like a bitchy, popular girl.

[Lauren Garrone]

I have not heard that name in a minute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And if it wasn't set in Gilead, like, this would actually be my dream school. Because they aren't allowed to read or anything like that, you know, in this world. So they can't, like, learn about anything. So they spend all of their time, like, playing the harp and, like, painting and, like, beekeeping and shit. Which I would love if I was a teenage girl. Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

In a world where you have free will as a woman, sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I think it's a good show because it's less up and violent than the Handmaid's Tale was. Handmaid's Tale, season one was perfect. Season two into three, it, like, ventured into saw torture porn territory that I think alienated a lot of the original audience.

[Lauren Garrone]

And then, not that I ever regularly watch the Handmaid's Tale, but that last season debuted, like, years after the previous season, to the point where I think a lot of people like myself thought the show was over.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Not me. I stuck in with that show until the bitter end. And Elisabeth Moss is on the Testaments intermittently, but, like, it's kind of not necessary. Like, it takes me out of the world whenever she's on the show. Although Ann Dowd is like a series regular and is in every single episode and she's still major, obviously.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love that kind of working actor where she's like, oh, a sequel to the series. Yeah, I'll do that. A prequel. You can de age me. I'll also be in that rebooting the Handmaid's Tale. I'll also be in that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope one day we get like, a Muppet Babies esque Gilead spinoff. Jesus, the children of Gilead.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

I have not seen it and I don't even know what it's about. So explain everything.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. Widow's Bay is a show that took me a while to get into. It has Matthew Rhys yet again playing an American. Not to be confused with the show he was on, the Americans. It is a small New England island that is not Martha's Vineyard that at the start of the series, Matthew Rhys is courting a New York Times columnist to come and write a piece about their island, Widow's Bay, to make it the new Martha's Vineyard. And Steven Root plays a sailor who doesn't want this to happen because the town is cursed and Matthew Rhys doesn't believe that the town is cursed. And guess what? The town is cursed. But it is quite funny. It took me a while to get through the first two episodes because I just couldn't understand what the tone was. But the word of mouth has been so good that I just pushed through and there is an episode, I think it's the fourth episode with the breakout character Patricia that is so good. It is the first show that's given me the same feeling I had when watching Buffy, where it is an authentically good horror show, but it is making fun of horror tropes, but it is actually funny.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, sold. This sounds amazing.

[Lauren Garrone]

You would like it. It is created by Katie Dippold, who wrote the female Ghostbusters film. She was a WR on Parks and Rec. It has been described as, like, imagine whatever horror show you want to put in or movie. Like, imagine it's Parks and Rex meets it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I'm down for that.

[Lauren Garrone]

But what's funny is most people know Katie Dippold, especially if you are chronically online, because have you ever seen the Babadook meme of the person that dressed up as the Babadook for a Halloween party, but no one else dressed up? No, that is Katie Dipple. That is a tweet she posted, and that is how a lot of people have gotten into the show of like, oh, the Babadook tweet woman. All right, I'm in.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love that. Okay, next question. Did you watch Tina Fey's series the Four Seasons?

[Lauren Garrone]

I haven't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I watched both seasons.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. There's no reason for me not to watch the show. Like, I do love the premise. I love all the clips that I've seen. I just haven't started watching it. I think partially because I'm married to a straight guy, there's just not a lot of overlap in what we will watch together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Lauren, there is straight male representation on this show.

[Jimmy Conrad]

Know.

[Lauren Garrone]

Good to know, because all I've seen are clips of Colman Domingo and Tina Fey, which have made me laugh hysterically.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's Steve Carell and what's his face? Will Forte, who, honestly, his character, like, really annoys me. And that's the thing about this show. Like, it is like the streaming version of the Big Chill for Gen X. So it's kind of cheesy, but it's also just, like, very comforting to watch. And it does have its moments. The format of it is good because there's eight episodes per season, and then there's two episodes devoted to each season of the year. So you come into these people's lives summer, fall, spring, winter. And that's the format of the show.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not in that order.

[Ione Gamble]

Wait.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, my God, you did spring, Summer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I am brain dead, guys. No, I love it. No, we can keep it in Chelsea

[Lauren Garrone]

doesn't know when my birthday is. We've discussed this on the podcast due

[Chelsea Fairless]

to it's the day after 4:20.

[Lauren Garrone]

But you often, as an explanation, been like, I get my spring months mixed up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, Yeah. I don't know what month four indicates,

[Lauren Garrone]

but Chelsea is unaware. She believes that March, May, April is how it goes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Okay. This is actually really bad. I don't know if I've ever talked about this. But, yeah, I don't know if March or April, like, which one comes first. And I never have. And I literally can't tell the difference between those months and.

[Lauren Garrone]

You never will.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I never will. I can wrap my head around February, and I can wrap my head around May. What happens in between those months? Who fucking knows? Okay, one more thing that I want to say. The dynamics between the couples on this show are realistic. Like, scarily realistic. And, yeah, I like Colman Domingo and Marco Calvani, who plays his Italian boyfriend. They're very cute. And Tina Fey is cute. Will Forte. Deeply annoying.

[Lauren Garrone]

Will Forte. Sashay away. So no one asked us this, but we, of course, have to talk about it because we have breaking news. The limited series about JonBenet Ramsey, where Melissa McCarthy and Clive Owen were playing JonBenet Ramsey's parents, which was supposed to air on Paramount plus, has landed somewhere. It has landed on Netflix. It has been reported that it will probably come out time to the 30th anniversary of JonBenet Ramsey's death, which was in December, which is incredibly dark.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. They say that it will be released in the winter. Since it's a limited series, I imagine this would be coming out in possibly late October, but likely early November. If they're gonna blow through eight or 10 episodes or something before the 30th anniversary of her death, which is on the 25th, 26th, no doubt we will

[Lauren Garrone]

be devoting, if not an exclusive episode to this, probably several episodes to this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, for sure. The people in the subreddit are not

[Lauren Garrone]

optimistic about the limited series being good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They fear that it will be Ramsay family propaganda, which tends to be the vibe. Because they are so litigious.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know. Because the whole thing, just to go back, if people don't remember, is Paramount plus, which is under the banner of Viacom, which also owns CBS. The Ramsey sued CBS, famously, after the Dr. Phil interview. And so Paramount plus presumably got worried that they would face another expensive lawsuit, so they decided not to air the series. This negotiation, according to Deadline, has been going on for months. Presumably, Netflix's legal department did their due diligence to make sure that they don't get sued within an inch of their life. I mean, they're already facing the Tyra

[Chelsea Fairless]

Banks lawsuit, which means that it's not possible to tell this story. They also renamed the show because remember before it was called Unspeakable. I think the death of JonBenet Ramsey when it was still at Paramount. Now it is the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

[Lauren Garrone]

Only time will tell. You know, the Chelsea and therefore myself will be breathlessly covering every episode. I'm thrilled to welcome Momentous back as one of today's sponsors. Creatine is one of the most researched and effective supplements available, but as the category has exploded, most brands have focused on flavors, formats and marketing instead of actually making the creatine itself better. That's why Momentous created Signature Spec Creatine, their most advanced creatine ever, setting a new standard for creatine quality.

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, we got a call that was too long to play, but a listener that is our self described cowgirl correspondent brought it to our attention in the nicest way possible. That because we are coastal elites, we are not covering a lot of entertainment stories that middle America fucks with with middle America fuckettes.

[Lauren Garrone]

And geographically, she is correct. We have only ever lived on the east and west coast.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So for that reason we will discuss Jelly Roll's divorce.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I don't have a ton to say about Jelly Roll's divorce. This is the other thing is a lot of the things she listed, we just don't have a ton to say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I have a ton to say about Jelly Roll's divorce. RIP Love. Love is dead. If they can't figure it out, no one can give up now. Like, this is sad.

[Lauren Garrone]

Did you also learn about the divorce from a TikTok clip of his now ex Bunny discussing the fact that they were getting a divorce on her podcast?

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's not how I found out. But yes, I did see some clips of Bunny xo, his soon to be ex.

[Lauren Garrone]

However, she was like, we're still best friends. Which is always the line that people, especially celebrities, say when they get divorced.

[Listener Callers]

But.

[Lauren Garrone]

But in one of the clips I saw, she was like, guys, we're still having a child together. I'm like, ooh, maybe don't do that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To each their own. I think they're gonna work it out. Oh boy. Because they've been together for a really long time. Like she held him down when he was not famous, when he was a full blown, like drug addict, like chugging lean all the time. She also had substance abuse issues and they both helped each other get through those issues. They've been having fertility issues that have been really difficult that have impacted their marriage. Very sad. Obviously, I believe they are now pursuing surrogacy.

[Lauren Garrone]

I believe so. Correct. The clip that I saw from her own podcast, Bunnie XO was saying she can be kind of immature in fights. While they were having a fight, she was like, fine, let's just get a divorce. And then Jelly Roll proceeded on the divorce.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they apparently got into this huge fight on Mother's Day, which is sad given the infertility issues.

[Ione Gamble]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I really hope that they can work it out one day. I think they will. I have faith in these people in this union like, this is like true love.

[Lauren Garrone]

One of the things that this caller shouted out our cowgirl correspondent was how we never talk about any Taylor Sheridan show. And I just want to say I know all that goes on on the Taylor Sheridan shows, the Madison, Dutton Ranch, and Landman, because my parents watch these shows and they tell me about every plot detail when I see them. So I could have my mother on, you know, who also loves Jelly Roll. My mom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'd love to know what she thinks of Jelly Roll's new caps.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm sure she has a lot of opinions. I will give this caller. I did not know about this Dolly Parton truck stop.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I didn't know about that either.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, because we're coastal elite.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Because I don't live in Connorsville, Tennessee, which is where this truck stop is located. The logo for the truck stop is really good. It is like a mud flap girl version of Dolly Parton. But the gift shop and the restaurant look quite generic. Like it looks like any truck stop or maybe a truck stop that's a little bit on the Hard Rock Cafe spectrum because there's like a chandelier made of electric guitars.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was looking at the website for Dolly Parton's truck stop, and like a lot of truck stops, there are showers for truckers or long haul drivers. But I noticed that there was story time, which I thought was cute.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is cute. But I just, like, hate that. Like, all of Dolly Parton's things, like, do not reflect her aesthetic, you know? And I get it. The truck stop can't be girly and glittery because it is for literal truckers.

[Lauren Garrone]

But, like, not to say that there aren't female truckers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

High femme truckers. But like, with Dollywood, like, the branding is so good, like the whole butterfly logo and stuff. But like, the Dollywood theme park itself is not that, like, photogenic or not that, like, Dolly adjacent, you know?

[Lauren Garrone]

I hear what you're saying. I guess we need to go on a road trip just to go to the Dolly Parton truck stop. Okay. A question that only Chelsea can answer, which is, Chelsea, will you be buying the Miley Cyrus Barbie?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm good on that front. It looks like 20, 26 Miley, which means that it does not look like Miley Cyrus from previous eras.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I did take a look at this Barbie doll and my question to you was going to be, what era of Miley is this supposed to be? Because her outfit is very her style now, but it's a bizarre haircut that is brown, which is what I don't associate, at least for the last 15 years, Miley Cyrus. Like, I associate her as being blonde.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's what I'm saying. I think she did that hair for her last album, but we weren't really closely paying attention to what she was doing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, if they had made a Barbie doll of, like, her in the, like, crazy bear body suit from that VMA performance in the Bangers era, like, I would have bought that because it would have looked like Miley on some level.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. So not every specialty Barbie is a Barbie you must own.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so we got an unusual amount of celesbian questions. Let's start with this call.

[Listener Callers]

Hi, girls. Sorry if I'm late to this topic, but would love to hear your thoughts on Robbie Hoffman. I know she got some backlash after her Call Her Daddy episode and just kind of seeing a lot of discourse about her on social media. So I wanted to get your two cents. Thanks. Bye.

[Lauren Garrone]

I knew that there was some controversy about her recent Call Her Daddy appearance. And when I looked online, there was, like, mud slinging that she was misogynistic or something. I could not have predicted that the controversy was about disregarding the severity of the plight of those with celiac disease.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know. What a crazy thing to get canceled for. She basically said that she didn't believe that celiac was real unless she could see someone have, like, an immediate dramatic reaction. And, like, this is not to say that I don't believe in celiac disease. Obviously I do, but this is just, like, not that bad of a thing to say.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, my God, no. On the scale of things to get canceled for, this is such a light offense. Also, one of my best friends genuinely has celiac disease. And you know what offends her the most? When people pretend they have celiac disease and are like, oh, I can't eat gluten. Like, it is an issue for those who genuinely can't eat gluten, but. But for a lot of people, it's kind of like, remember the episode where Carrie doesn't want parsley on a dish or cilantro? And so she goes as far to say that she's allergic to it just because she doesn't want a little bit of it on the plate? Like, it's kind of like that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Are we now going to get cancer?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. No. Well, the thing is, it went beyond celiac disease. People were then basically like, you don't believe that invisible illnesses are real? And I just want to say there will be a point that we will come to very soon where no celebrities will give real interviews anymore because you will not be able to speak freely at all about anything. We know that Timothee Chalamet is never going to give an interesting interview again after the opera and ballet.

[Lauren Garrone]

Comments.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think that in the future when celebrities go on podcasts to promote stuff, it is going to be increasingly prescribed. Like they will almost be acting like they will have rehearsed certain materials they will not even touch. Like this.

[Lauren Garrone]

I thought of something darker, which is. I think eventually you're just gonna have celebrities send AI agents of themselves. Like studios are just gonna feed interviews and performances of like Matt Damon and Anne Hathaway and then like some avatar is going to show up to the press junket.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's dark, but I can see it.

[Lauren Garrone]

By the way, we haven't given our opinion about Robbie Hoffman at all.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Obsessed with Robbie Hoffman. Yeah, I think she's a genius. She's is the lesbian Larry David or perhaps the millennial Fran Leibovitz. However you want to think about it. I could listen to her talk about anything. And I think her material about the state of the queer community in particular is so funny and so smart. Although of course she, you know, annoys a lot of people.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also saw people take out of context her recent appearance. I think it was on the Bald and the Beautiful. It was with Trixie Mattel, where she tells a story about how she got angry when she lost at the Emmys, stormed out, hahaha. When Jennifer Nicholson won over her, which was obviously a joke. But then like the New York Post wrote about it, seriously, as if she wasn't being sarcastic. And then people just saw that headline and piled on of like this person.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's hard to be a comedian out in these streets. I did see Robbie Hoffman at a screening of Marty supreme at the Grove, which was really an afternoon of Jewish excellence for me and Tad. And I did go up to her because we had just watched her Netflix special like a couple days earlier and we complimented her and she was so lovely and so cool. And I'm obsessed. And I of course am obsessed with her relationship. Also, like in a parasocial way I

[Lauren Garrone]

was gonna say was her wife with her. God, I would love to know her thoughts about Marty supreme, about celiac disease. It's not real. That's my impression of Gabby Windy here on the Every Outfit podcast. We love Cash App. From getting paid to growing what you've got, Cash App makes managing your money effortless and instant without all the fees. It's the way money should work. If you didn't already know. Cash App is way more than just a safe way to send and receive money. With the Cash App card, you unlock a ton of perks without all the hidden fees. Enjoy benefits like exclusive early access to nationwide concert presales. Think Kendrick Lamar and Sabrina Carpenter, to name a couple of recent examples, plus discounts on everyday purchases and popular brands you're probably already spending money on. Add your card to your digital wallet and make your money moves easier. And then there's Cash App's new status program for the way people actually spend. Called Cash App Green, it unlocks new ways for you to pay, get rewarded, and easily grow or manage your money on your terms. Now, when you spend at least 500amonth with the Cash App card, you earn green status, which unlocks benefits like up to $200 of free overdraft coverage. And best yet, if you direct deposit at least $300 in paychecks each month and use the Cash App card for purchases, you can earn interest on your savings. No hidden fees, no minimum balance requirements. Also, you can hit your savings goals even faster by turning on roundups on your Cash App card. With roundups, every purchase you make using the card is rounded up to the nearest dollar, and that spare change is automatically put into your savings. Don't let your money sit around and gather dust. Make it work for you. Take advantage of interest savings on Cash App Today, new Cash App Customers can earn $10 if they use code CASH APP10 in their profile at Sign up and send $5 to a friend within 14 days. Terms apply. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partners Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton bank member FDIC Cash App Visa Debit Flex cards issued by Sutton Bank Member FDIC and the Bancorp Bank N.A. pursuant to a license from Visa USA Inc. See Terms and conditions for the Sutton Prepaid Card, Sutton Debit Flex Card and the Bancarp Debit Flex Card. Cash App Green features savings, direct deposit roundups, overdraft coverage and discounts provided by Cash App, a Block Inc. Brand. Visit Cash App Legal Podcast for full disclosures. Okay, need your thoughts on Bjork's new girlfriend?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So we don't 100% know that this is actually her new girlfriend because this Icelandic musician named Yara Palana posted a photo on her Instagram stories of her and Bjork, and she wrote, couldn't ask for a better girlfriend. That is all the evidence that we have. We haven't seen any other photos of them. Bjork certainly hasn't confirmed this, although that isn't a very Bjork thing to do. She wouldn't. I am choosing to believe it because I love the idea of this couple. I can't imagine that studs are like super abundant in Iceland. So good for Bjork. This chick is really hot.

[Lauren Garrone]

She's super cool. Yeah. According to her website, she's a local of 101 Reykjavik, Iceland and a humble, multifaceted, multi talented artist and tech nerd.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To be fair, I've only seen this one photo of her, but the outfit is on point.

[Lauren Garrone]

So it was not exactly on my bingo card for 2026 for Bjork to have a girlfriend, but. But not surprised.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I swear to God, everyone is a late in life lesbian now. It's crazy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Straight out of the L word.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like I just found out that Camille Bedot Waddington is a lesbian now. What identifies as a lesbian is dating Alice Temple.

[Lauren Garrone]

Let's back up for one second. For people that do not know this stylist of the 2000s, that was very impactful on us. She was married to Jarvis Cocker.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was married to Jarvis Cocker for a long time. It feels like only yesterday that I saw them shopping at Whole Foods and yeah, apparently they've been divorced since 2009 and she's been a lesbian for a while and she has changed her whole look. Like she now looks like, I wouldn't say like full butch, but definitely androgynous. Definitely no longer wearing like strappy sandals and flouncy vintage skirts and stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not that I see a late in life lesbian arc for myself, but there is something aspirational about like kind of completely doing a 180 on your style. Totally.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's also impacted her styling work. Like I went back and like looked through her Instagram and what she's been doing lately and like, yeah, she's definitely done a lot of shoots that are more androgynous. We should clarify, she is one of the most legendary stylists. She was sort of in the Margiela crew in the 90s. She'd worked for Marc by Marc Jacobs for a really long time and did pretty much like everything for them from the beginning. She, you know, has done a lot of editorial work in like British magazines, in the face, self service magazines like that. And now she is styling for McQueen with Sean McGurr. All right, so she's such a legend and she's dating literally the hottest woman ever who was actually recently in a J.W. anderson campaign.

[Lauren Garrone]

So should we get into this question? Because Alice Temple is the connecting person, which is. Have you read say Everything by Ione Sky? Especially the bits about Jenny Shamito.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Did you finish it? Because I read that book, like when it came out.

[Lauren Garrone]

I haven't finished it. I've gotten up to the Jenny Shimizu part.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sounds really, really hot, I have to say. Ione sky, like dated the coolest, hottest women in the 90s. Jenny Shimizu, Ingrid Casares famously linked to Madonna, Sandra Bernhard and Alice Temple as well.

[Lauren Garrone]

Between Anthony Kiedis, Scar Tissue, Kathleen Hannah's memoir, and then Ione sky. Say Everything. Just like triangulating all of the stories and anecdotes of how they overlap with each other.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's been a pleasure to witness

[Lauren Garrone]

all of this, truly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But Ione Sky's book is very, very good. It's well written. She was very enmeshed in some pivotal moments in culture, whether it was kind of her childhood growing up in Los Angeles and Donovan being her father, kind of hanging out with a. Of Nepo babies and children of rock stars and, you know, then being of course a very successful actor in the 80s and in that sort of Brat Pack world.

[Lauren Garrone]

Brat Pack adjacent. Her memoir is such a interesting sub genre of celebrity memoirs where this is not to denigrate her at all, but like, she might not be a household name, she is to us, but she is intersected with so many interesting moments. She was friends with River Phoenix. She starred in River's Edge with. With Keanu Reeves. She dated Anthony Kiedis when she was 16 and he was 24.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was also very enmeshed in the fashion scene in the 90s.

[Lauren Garrone]

She was married to a Beastie Boy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, there's a lot of goss in

[Lauren Garrone]

this book, but like, again, not a level goss. Like a level goss to us.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's a level goss hearing

[Lauren Garrone]

that, you know, her safe word with Jenny. Jenny Shimizu was London. Like, that is life altering for me at least.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Absolutely. Most people would have taken all of that to the grave, to our detriment.

[Lauren Garrone]

The memoir we need but will never get is from Jenny Shimizu.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, and from Adrock. Then we would fully.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, then we would get the full picture.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We need Jenny and Adrok to complete

[Lauren Garrone]

this Kurosawa esque Rashomon of the situation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Next situation.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, sorry you had on the docket thoughts on the Vent Mons menswear show, which is this under Celesbian news, because Sharon Stone closed the show wearing a suit and a Tie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I was more referring to, like, the first 10 looks of the show. But yes, also Sharon Stone. It was a very lesbian show. They cast a lot of lesbians, including one of Camille Boddington's exes. I'll get into that with you later. My friend Arda, who's a fabulous model, was in that show. They cast, like, I don't think I've ever seen this many actual lesbians cast in a single fashion show before.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I thought the fashion was good, but the casting was excellent in a way that I haven't noticed the casting of a show in a while.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think I appreciated the first section of the show because, like, they did a good high fashion version of sort of contemporary lesbian fashion tropes. And, you know, with also, of course, some, like, 90s lesbian fashion trope throwbacks and stuff, which is how everyone dresses now. But the middle section I didn't really care about. Also, I do think it's funny that Sharon Stone was cast in the show. I thought she looked incredible because, like, remember how in Demna's, maybe not the last Gucci show, but the one before there was, like, the Basic Instinct dress, Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

That Laura Harrier wore to the New York Cruise show?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. I feel like him casting Sharon Stone in this Vetemont show is like, a continuation of this, like, incredibly stupid and immature beef that he has with his much more talented brother.

[Lauren Garrone]

Who's the more talented brother?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Demna, obviously.

[Ione Gamble]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, you know, good on Guram for pulling out some solid lesbian chic looks. I loved the sort of reverse tie. I can see people actually buying that. That.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, let's get into another call.

[Listener Callers]

Hi, girls. I am a Day One listener. I think of myself as a Lauren Sunshine with, like, maybe a. Like a Paul Moon. So naturally, my question is for Chelsea. Chelsea, did you ever watch or know anyone on the Real L Word, the reality show version? I think two scenarios are likely. Either you never watched it. Very Possible. Or you were low key on it and you simply want to, like, repress this part of your life. Love you both think you're hot and smart. Bye.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm obsessed with this call. I love this idea that you were on the Real L Word and you don't want anyone to know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The answer to that question is, I don't know if I was on the Real L Word because back in the day when I lived in Brooklyn, I do remember going to a lesbian party where they happened to be filming that show. But that would have been later in the Real lwards run, like, after I had stopped watching the show, so could I be in the background of a scene on the Real L? Definitely, yes, but I have no idea.

[Lauren Garrone]

So you know of the show, You've watched it, but you fell off during the later seasons?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, I fell off. I think mid season two. But I think every millennial aged lesbian watched season one for sure. And I have met many of the cast members over the years. I did meet Whitney maybe 10 years ago, 12 years ago, at a lesbian bar in Atlanta. Shout out Sister's room. And very recently, I met Rose from the Real L Word, which was the other, like, super iconic character. But it'd been so long since I watched the show that I didn't, like, put two and two together. And then my friend sent me one of Rose's Instagram stories and was like, is this you? And I was like, oh, my God. I knew she looked familiar.

[Lauren Garrone]

So there you go. All right. To round out the Celesbian section of this. This mailbag episode, favorite butch fashion icons. I feel like I am disqualified from answering this question. One, because I'm straight, and two, because when I searched is Paula Poundstone a butch? I was alerted that she does not identify as queer. So I'll let Chelsea answer this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I'm just gonna say literally everyone that Ione sky and Camille Bidot Waddington have dated Radcliffe hall and Katie Lang are, I would say, the quintessential butch fashion icons. But the problem is, it's like, a lot of butch women and studs aren't, like, fashionistas. You know what I mean? An exception to this rule would be someone like Mickalene Thomas who, like, always has some sort of Dover Street Market drip happening. And then there are people, like, I would say, like, a Fran Leibovitz or Ed Vege Belmore, who is, like, a lesbian punk icon. They wear menswear. But I wouldn't describe them as butch. You know what I mean? Like, no one's, like, mistaking Fran Leibovitz for a man, right? So I feel like there are people like that that kind of, like, the style is there, but, like, the full gender presentation, maybe. I wouldn't describe that way.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, some questions that really don't fit into any other category, starting with, please explain what the Valley is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Lauren, take it away.

[Lauren Garrone]

The Valley can mean so many things. Geographically, it is a region located in Los Angeles county that encompasses neighborhoods like Studio City, Encino, Sherman Oaks, Tarzana, Reseda, Woodland Hills, Chatsworth. I grew up in Laurel Canyon, but I consider myself a Valley girl. I went to school in the Valley. All my friends lived in the Valley. It's where I've spent the majority of my life. But the Valley is also a state of mind. It's the closest you'll get to suburbia or a main street in Los Angeles. It's chiller. There's a ton of parking, so naturally, I'm in a better mood when I'm in this area. However, there is also the Vanderpump spin off show called the Valley, which I have not watched. But it seems like those that got famous on Lisa Vanderpump's show acquired enough money that they could not buy homes in West Hollywood, but they could afford the Valley.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Love that for them, the Valley is great. I would happily live in the Valley.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh, yeah. The Valley, especially Studio City, Sherman Oaks, has gotten very chic in the past few years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Even the parts that aren't chic, like the vibes are good. I run most of my errands in the Valley. I spend most of my time, I guess Sherman Oaks, Studio City, but a beautiful place if you live here, not if you're a tourist. Like, who cares? I mean, go to Casa Vega or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

But we really have stoked the parasocial fires because it's like, if you want to potentially run into us, it would most likely be in the Valley.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I run into fuckettes in the Valley all the time.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, wow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, next call, call.

[Listener Callers]

Hey, Lauren and Chelsea, what's up? This is mc. It's my second time calling. I've got a question for y'. All. I just turned 29, so this is the last year of my 20s. What would you guys say are some important things that I need to leave behind this year and not take with me into my 30s? Is it vaping? Is it like Ikea furnishings? Is it tick tock? I don't know. Know. I just want to be classy and cool in my 30s, but I still want to have fun. So let me know what you think. Love you both so much. Bye.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, definitely quit vaping. No judgment, obviously, I've been there. But it is true that the longer that you do something, the harder it is to quit. Do I take this advice myself? Absolutely not. But you should.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was gonna say, if I think about what I fixated on in my 20s that hopefully I let go of in my 30s. When was comparing where you are in life, personally or professionally, to other people in your peer group? Like, I definitely spent most of my twenties obsessing where friends were in their careers and why I wasn't there. And they got this opportunity certainly when I was pursuing more of a career in the entertainment industry. And, you know, a decade on from that time period, I've come to realize, like, it all evens out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

And so it's a lot of wasted time to spend obsessing on where other people are in their lives versus where you are.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But this is true of literally every age.

[Lauren Garrone]

I know. But it's something that I did more in my 20s than I let go of in my 30s because I did see, like, oh, we all kind of ended up around the same place.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I do want to address her comment about potentially giving up IKEA furnishings. I don't think that is entirely possible in this economy. But what I would say you should give up on the IKEA stuff that is made out of particle board. If you guys take away nothing else from this episode, let it be this. Do not buy that particle board. It breaks. It doesn't work. Adults do not need the problems that particle board will bring into their lives. So maybe when you're at ikea, look for stuff that is made out of wood, metal, glass, those sorts of materials. And of course, make sure that the ratio of IKEA no more than 40%. Although that's a little high, I would say. I think for your 30s, it should be more like 30% IKEA.

[Lauren Garrone]

IKEA, it goes by age. I guess that wouldn't work. In your 40s, you'd have 40%. But I do think IKEA accessories eternal. Like, use IKEA to kind of dress up the place.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There's always something to find at ikea.

[Listener Callers]

Always.

[Chelsea Fairless]

If nothing else, those meatballs, which Paul

[Lauren Garrone]

recently took Morty to the Culver City ikea, which is a smaller ikea, which you would think would be cool, but as he explained. And it's not good. The whole point of IKEA is it's gigantic. And you get to go into all the fake rooms, and then you figure out what you want. Then you go downstairs or to a warehouse area and you get the stuff. And he was like, there's none of that. It's all mixed together. And there's no meatballs.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That sounds horrible. Although I guess that does prevent that awful IKEA situation where you found everything that you need, then you go downstairs to pick it up, and, like, nothing's there. So then you have to go back up, like, through every step, single fake room, and find your, like, second choice. Shit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Maybe leave IKEA behind in your 30s. Maybe. You are correct. Okay, this question seems made for Chelsea Palm Spring recommendations going at the end of July, I know this fuckette got a great hotel deal if they're going at the end of July.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think July is a great time to go to Palm Springs. It is very hot. But there are a wealth of very expensive, very nice hotels in Palm Springs that are cheap in the hottest months. So you can stay somewhere really nice. And the thing about Palm Springs is, like, you're not like, walking around on the streets of Palm Springs like it's New York or something. Like, you don't do. You lay by a pool. Like, you go to an antique store that you drive to. Like, it's not that deep. But recommendations we went recently, I would say for shopping. It's Market Market, which is basically just like a indoor flea market kind of

[Lauren Garrone]

scenario that several vintage dealers have space in, like, one of our favorite vintage stores, the frippery has moved in there. That's how we learned about it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Also, when we were there last time, they basically had an insane amount of archival Jeremy Scott. Like, I think he had just, like, come through and dropped off, like, every single collection he ever made. It was like a museum show, basically. I looked through everything. It was amazing. So go there. Modern Way is the best furniture store. And in the same strip mall that Modern Way is in, there are other. Other good furniture stores. So check that out. Restaurants are hard in Palm Springs. The restaurants are worse than you would think. I would say that important ones bar Cecil. Hard to get into, but figure it out.

[Lauren Garrone]

We happen to get a reservation because literally we drove up like, two hours before they opened and got a table.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You can show up when they open and you can possibly get a table, but they release reservations two weeks in advance for whatever the date is. So that's how that worked. The restaurant was inspired by Cecil Beaton, so Obviously we approve. Mr. Lyons is the classic steakhouse. The Parker Palm Springs is the best hotel. And within that there are multiple restaurants. I would say the most essential be Normas, which is like a good place to go for lunch or for brunch, more specifically.

[Lauren Garrone]

It has your favorite dish in the world, I think.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Which is like this insane lox bagel that's like. They slice the bagel into a million tiny pieces and like, stack it up kind of like a shish kebab almost. It's crazy, but it's incredible. And what else? Oh, the flea market is good. That happens once a month. If it happens to be on when you're in town.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't think it is. I believe it's one of the rare flea markets that's like we only run from September to May. It's not during the hot months.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That flea market is where I bought my most worn T shirt, which is that Cramps shirt with the dominatrixes on it that I always wear.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, that's where you got them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is where I got it. Or that's where Tat got it and I stole it from her. And then obviously Palm Springs is in relatively close proximity to the Cabazon outlet mall, which is the most essential shopping thing.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, it's unclear from this question. If you are are visiting Southern California in general and so you're driving from Los Angeles to Palm Springs. If you are, the Cabazon outlets are on the way in or out. If you are flying directly into Palm Springs, which is by the way, a fabulous regional airport with a really great

[Chelsea Fairless]

bust of Sunny Bono, who used to be the mayor of Palm Springs. Oh, on a related note, the other thing you should do, Liberace had a house in Palm Springs that is very cool, close to the sort of main strip. And you should just go drive by, take a gander. It's fab. I also do like just sort of driving around through the more affluent neighborhoods in Palm Springs and looking at the incredible mid century houses. So it's like the closer you get to the mountains, the more expensive the houses get. So check it out.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. Thoughts on dating someone that does drugs? Parentheses coke and ket from time to time. It's still the early stage. Depends on what time to time means. Is that time the weekend or is it like a Tuesday?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, the frequency of the drug use is important because frequency directly relates to the level of dependency that this person has. But like from my perspective, like yolo, I think that occasional recreational drug use is totally normal. So maybe I'm not the best person to ask.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also think this is an age dependent question. Is this person in their 20s? 20s then totally 30s. Go for it. 40s. I'd like to think that this is every once in a while thing, 50s getting a little dicey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What, you can't do a bump in your 50s? Who made you the mayor of Palm Springs?

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I was going to say that I feel the drug use and age is kind of like a horseshoe because as you get older, I do think it's cooler to occasionally do drugs. Like if one of our friends was dating some 60 or 70 year old who occasionally did coke, I'd be like, like that's cool.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Although doing coke like all the time, like for Your whole life. Like, it does literally, like, change people's brains.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, yeah. It does fuck with your brain chemistry, but I think you're fine.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But the fact that you are even asking us this question isn't the greatest indicator, because to me, it suggests that, like, on some level, that you are uncomfortable with their drug use or think it could be a problem. Yeah, I don't know if it is a problem, but it seems like you might not totally be on the same page.

[Lauren Garrone]

Give it a couple months. I think you need more, especially because you stated that it's still the early stages of dating. I think you need more sample data.

[Chelsea Fairless]

How long has he been in that

[Lauren Garrone]

K hole and will he ever get out? Yeah, she didn't clarify. She wasn't like, you know, he did miss a date once because he was stuck in a K hole. In that case, you might want to break up with him.

[Listener Callers]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We are now joined by a very special guest. She's the editor in chief of Polyester magazine in her new book, the Polyester Book of Bad Taste is out now. Welcome to the pod. Ione Gamble.

[Ione Gamble]

Hi. Thank you for having me.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, I want to get into your work at Polyester and the new book, but we have a few more questions from listeners. Are you down to get into them?

[Ione Gamble]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, this first one is pretty controversial. Thoughts on Clavicular opening four two four's recent fashion show. You're a fan, right?

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, huge clavicular fan.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who isn't?

[Ione Gamble]

Gina was saying the other day, she was like, oh, I am actually, like, a scholar on clavicular. And I don't know how I've got here. I was like, because we did one podcast episode and now we're fed him so much. But I think what I enjoyed about him doing Paris Fashion Week is that no one cared. Like, it didn't have the same impact as, like, Elena Velez at New York Fashion Week. Like, it kind of just happened in Europe. And everyone was like, okay, fine, whatever. We don't care about this man. Which I think was probably very humbling for him.

[Chelsea Fairless]

True. But I did hear about this brand for the first time, which I had absolutely no aware of.

[Ione Gamble]

No idea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They have a store in LA on Melrose.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, that checks out. I mean, I did see backlash and sort of, like, online commentary, like, shame on you. But I think that distracted from the fact that he is a very bad model who cannot walk. And if that message got out, instead of like, how dare you put him in your fashion show? That would have shamed him properly. That he would never interact with fashion ever again.

[Ione Gamble]

I hope not, but we'll see.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, he's walked in two more fashion shows than I expected him to. Will there be a third?

[Ione Gamble]

I feel like his time is dying out. Right. Like, people haven't paid as much attention this time as they did for the Elena Velez show. I feel like the shock factor's gone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I don't know if I'm on a different side of the Internet than you, but I feel like this got more attention than when he walked at Elena Velez.

[Ione Gamble]

Because it's Paris, maybe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I feel like this brand is less major, but I think it's like one of those hypebeast labels where they're, like, trying to make actual clothes, but the clothes are like. Like, kind of where other people's ideas go to die. Like, I went to their website, and they had a very questionable Rolling Stones collaboration.

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's on the John Varvato spectrum in that way.

[Ione Gamble]

So it's basically for the boys. Maybe it was more in his target audience.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. Hopefully this is his last fashion show, but I feel like there is a high probability that he could enter into the Vetemont universe at some point. But we shall see.

[Ione Gamble]

See, he's definitely gonna walk that one. I. I can see him doing a big show.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Dolce and Gabbana.

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, for sure. He's gonna be a Dolce boy. Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Hell, I would actually like to see that. Like, if he got the full Dolce and Gabbana beat, like, the full men's makeover, then I might care.

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay. From fashion magazine collector to fashion magazine collector, what are your favorites in your magazine? Collection. Collection.

[Ione Gamble]

So I've recently. I mean, after I came to Chelsea and Tatiana's house in March, have been revitalizing my collection because I threw them all away in, like, a various house move. The first ones I bought back were all of the Lula magazines before Leith Clark sold it, which was, like, a very interesting thing to look back on because it was so formative for me when I bought them when I was like, 11, 12, 13. And interestingly, they don't hold up as well as my memory serves.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I believe that I felt the same thing about Nylon magazine. When I went back to look at the early issues, I was like, what was I thinking?

[Ione Gamble]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although Lula was cool in the sense that it had such a strong perspective.

[Ione Gamble]

It was the Twigirl magazine. Right. Like, there's no taking it away from that. And it did it went so far downhill when it was sold. And I mean, interestingly you say nylon because I bought back some nylons as well from, like, when I was first reading it. And I have like a young Hollywood issue that was in collaboration with MySpace and I was like, this is actually amazing. Like, you never see anyone do like a brand or a social media platform do anything interesting, like sponsor a whole issue. And it was just like fun and interesting. And it had. I love seeing, like, how low their budget budgets were for portraits. Like, they literally were just going around the back of an alley and taking pictures of people that are now like mega famous. So I did enjoy that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, their budgets were low. I know a lot of people that worked there. And oh my God, those salaries back in 2005.

[Lauren Garrone]

Let's not even get into the freelancers who I'm sure still haven't been paid from 15 years ago.

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, exactly. And then I also bought, on your recommendation, Chelsea, see loads of Nova magazine. But from the relaunch in the early 2000s, which I feel like is actually incredible and feels so timely to now. Like, it could. All of these issues could be now. And I even got like, with the second issue, they sent out like a vest that was like, read Nova magazine in like a little hand drawn thing. I got one of them and I was like, this is what magazine should be like. The beauty was so amazing. It is integrated shopping in a way that I feel magazines don't do anymore. Like, they're also high end and like books. What happened to a good shopping page? Like, bring back the shopping page.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally.

[Lauren Garrone]

See, for me, I have my whole first run of Lula magazine, which I don't know how that magazine came on my radar, but I used to have to go to a gay porn bookshop in Silver Lake. The only ones that stocked it.

[Ione Gamble]

Amazing.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also have like a near complete collection of French Vogue at the height of carrying Roitfeld.

[Ione Gamble]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

From like 2004 to 2006. Because I somehow convinced my parents as a Christmas present to get me a subscription.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that is the best and nerdiest thing to ask your parents for.

[Lauren Garrone]

But for me, what I'm collecting now when it comes to magazines is just buying back old issues of Us Weekly from the early 2000s.

[Ione Gamble]

Perfect.

[Lauren Garrone]

Speaking of like a shopping page. Stars. They're just like us. Like, that's what I'm nostalgic for now.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally.

[Ione Gamble]

Have you two heard of. I don't. I feel like it was very, very British. But another magazine that was like, so formative to me That I haven't been able to get is super, super. Have you guys heard of that one? No, actually it was like a new Rave magazine and it was like pre Vice's big explosion. And it had like MIA on the COVID It had like all of these British musicians and fashion people on the COVID And the layout, it's kind of like polyester, but times 200. Like there's 200 conflicting images on one page. It had like all of these like little club features. Everyone's wearing like a tape deck on a big plastic chain. Like it was very off that time, but I've never been able to buy back a copy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I need to check that out. I, I, I definitely missed that one.

[Ione Gamble]

I don't know how widely it was available.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have so many magazines that like, I don't even know what my favorites would be. Although I have been buying a lot of like best and worst dressed issues of like people in the National Inquirer. Like that is what I am into presently.

[Ione Gamble]

We need more.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, next question. Have rich people become worse dressers? Yes, it feels like they have.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, yes and no. Because I think who we associate as the super wealthy are of course tech billionaires like a Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. And certainly there's a Silicon Valley uniform that is not great, A lot of vests. And I think that Steve Jobs gave us a false impression that these tech oligarchs have taste. But he, I think was the only one that had taste.

[Ione Gamble]

I couldn't agree more.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They all look bad, but I feel like just like run of the mill rich people. Maybe I don't have the best framework for this. Cause I didn't really like grow up in that sort of company. But I do think on the whole, like logo mania has been a very destructive thing for the 1%. It obviously works for some people, like like, you know, NBA players and stuff. But like the average bitch on rodeo, I don't know.

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah, I completely agree. I feel like all of the extremely rich people I know that aren't in fashion are just logo people.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Ione, we got a lot of questions from our listeners about how to not be a basic bride. And then there was a follow up question which is, is the Vivienne Westwood wedding dress over? And I think they're specifically referring to the wedding dress I wore that Charli X also wore.

[Ione Gamble]

I think that Taylor Swift is gonna wear Vivian Westwood.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think so too. I think the Tortured Poets section of the Eras tour was an indication of things to come.

[Ione Gamble]

That's Gonna be like the death knell for the dress. Unfortunately, Lauren, we're gonna have to renew the vows.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's so true. You're gonna have to burn yours.

[Listener Callers]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, no. That dress is completely overdone. I loved wearing it. However, if I was getting married this summer, this year, next year, I don't think I would have chosen that dress. I also just want to point out there are other Vivian Westwood wedding dresses available.

[Listener Callers]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I want to talk about your wedding look, which was really amazing and very, like, non traditional. Who designed your dress?

[Ione Gamble]

So my dress was. Was designed by Edward Meedham, who used to have the line Medium Kirchhoff, who I've known since I started Polyester, because he did, like, an open casting for the last Medium Kirchhoff show. And I, like, ran in, like, please look at my zine. And then we made friends.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, amazing.

[Ione Gamble]

It was very short. It was a baby doll. It was actually modeled on, like, an Anna Sui dress from the 90s with these, like, cape sleeves. It was in a blue. Baby blue moire with bright yellow. Yellow lace, which was interesting because I not very like a color person in that way. But when Ed said he would like to design it, I was like, you do what you think I would want. And then when I saw it, I was like, yeah, I had a really short veil as well, like a mini veil. It was very kind of like Priscilla Presley through, I guess, like a John Waters gaze, which I guess also kind of sums me up.

[Listener Callers]

Perfect.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love beam kerchief so much. I have one medium kerchief thing, and it's like an insane tiara, I think, from that one, like, Courtney Love collection. It has, like, unicorns on it and.

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, my God, I need to see it. Next time I see you, please just wear it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Never wore it. Never wore it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bought it on sale because I felt like I had to. Maybe it's time will come one of these days.

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, please. Hopefully we're going to do a polyester LA party this year, so if we do one, you can wear it to that. It'll be the perfect place.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Perfect. I'll. I'll find we have the right place

[Ione Gamble]

to wear it exactly like where it's meant to be.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I think what you did for your wedding dress is the key to not being a basic bride. I think a pop of color, I think an unconventional length, which is what I did. A shorter dress, I think perhaps sourcing from different sources. You know, maybe a vintage skirt, a modern top.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. But is it more unconventional to be Conventional at this point. Point. Food for thought. Putting it out there.

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah. I think also it's so appealing to like look on Instagram and the weddings that everyone else is doing. And I think that's just the way you can have a basic wedding, right? Like thinking about whatever you actually want and what feels most like you. Like I got married like down the road from me in like a little community cafe that was really cheap but had a massive smoking area. Cuz I was like, everyone we know, including our family, smokes, so there has to be a huge smoking area. I think just thinking in that way will lead you to not basic decisions. Exactly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next question. Is it time to admit that Alessandro Michelli has been a flop at Valentino? Interesting. I personally don't think he's been a flop. I think he actually did the impossible, which is design a good updated version of the rock stud sandal. But I agree that I don't feel like people are actually wearing the clothes.

[Ione Gamble]

I agree. And I think that's a shame because the clothes are actually really nice. Like when you go on the website you're like, I would wear a lot of it. I think maybe where it's fallen down is when he was at Gucci, like the marketing was so excellent and he like got all of these people around him, like different celebrity ambassadors or like his work with Petra Collins, like different artists, unskilled worker that really like helped make Gucci that moment for him. Whereas this time I don't think we've seen strength in the celebrity ambassadors or in the marketing or in the activations, media placements. It hasn't really made an impact in that way.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's true. I don't really think of any celebrities as being associated with Valentino right now necessarily.

[Ione Gamble]

No, not at all.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I was gonna say a flop to whom? Because I imagine the Alessandra McKelly Gucci woman just went over, over to Valentino. I think the issue might be how many people can afford a $27,000 Valentino dress.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. I will say Lauren and I went in the Valentino outlet in Palm Springs pretty recently and it was kind of shocking because there was like entire collections in there. There was like the first look, the last look, like crazy shit.

[Ione Gamble]

So it's on deep, deep sale on the outnet, like the same thing. All of the collection is on the other outlet.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's sad, but I think also a lot of the reason why people felt compelled to buy Gucci was the logo and the stripe and all of that sort of stuff. Which Valentino just does not have that built into the brand. In the same way they didn't have like bags that were like really major ever. I think you know, agree.

[Lauren Garrone]

I do love this question because it's like a hive mind question which is are we pro jelly shoes?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm curious what you think. Ione.

[Ione Gamble]

I saw this and I've thought about it really long and really hard. Like in my heart I am pro jelly. In my head I am not. Because they are so uncomfortable, especially in the summer. Like it's just blisters all the time. Like I love the little Chloe princess ones, but they're also £500 and I don't like it enough. And I think any other I hate like a flat, flat jelly. And I think I'm also too scarred from the Melissa Westwood collaborations at their height and everyone having them and they're ugly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think a Melissa shoe is really hit or miss. I think my project ones were good.

[Ione Gamble]

So gorgeous.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But like it really depends. And yeah, I agree with you. I think wearing a jelly sandal, it borders on self harm sometimes, you know, Like I think it's a beach only situation. The idea of wearing like a jelly shoe on a hot New York City street like legitimately disgusts me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Tessa Thompson was just photographed in those Chloe princess heels walking I think on Bowery in New York city in like 80 degree weather. And I was like, how?

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, she's in pain.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's fine because she can wear them once, you know.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I guess I'm pro jelly shoe. I'm just anti luxury jelly shoe. Like when the row first did the jelly Fisherman shoes for $900 or maybe they were $1200, I was like, in what world?

[Ione Gamble]

It's just like buy something better, buy something else. Buy something that will actually hold up.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, next question. What trend is everyone pretending to like? For one, I would say quiet luxury.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, because quiet luxury, it's like a lifestyle thing where it's like that's how your apartment has to look. Also, I don't think a lot of these girls are really like committing to the full lifestyle.

[Lauren Garrone]

I've also been clocking these bitches because quiet luxury obviously has been a trend for the last few years. I'm seeing a lot of them wearing some color now and I'm like, no, no, you bought into the trend. And look, I bought into the trend and I after buying a bunch of beige pieces of clothing, I realized, oh no, I actually want to dress more eccentric.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I also have Talked about this before, but I do think that a lot of these very femme straight women that are wearing suits with button down shirts and like full straight ties are going to like, look back at these photos and be like, why the fuck do I look like Paula Poundstone? You know, do you have her in the uk? Is that like a reference Understood?

[Ione Gamble]

No. Oh, who is she?

[Chelsea Fairless]

She is a standup comedian that was big in the 90s, a straight woman, but this was like her look.

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, these are the kind of things you're meant to work out when you're like a teenager or in your early 20s. You're like, you're either the type of woman that can wear a suit like that or you're not. And I realized very early on, no, I will always look like that lovely comedian. It's not for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, so I want to get into your new book, the Polyester Book of Bad Taste, which is a collection of essays that you edited. You also wrote, wrote a couple of essays in this book. What made you decide to center the book around the theme of taste?

[Ione Gamble]

So polyester, in some ways has always been about taste. So I studied fashion journalism and we had a project where it was like, you have to launch a publication. And when I was thinking of what I wanted to do, it was kind of during, like peak Tumblr. I mean, peak Tumblr, enough said, I guess. And like peak, Medium, Kirchhoff, Peak, Louise, great. All of these, like big London designers that were really working with maximalism and femininity. And I found the John Waters quote, have faith in your own bad taste, and was like, oh, that's it. Like, at the time I was being taught, like, much like we are now that, you know, like, quiet luxury is the way to express intelligence in fashion, also that you're to be taken seriously as a person. And it was not something that I aligned with at all. So I wanted to do the opposite and kind of stick celebrate parts of fashion and pop culture and visual culture that were considered low taste and interrogate the reasons why and kind of prove that they can be intellectual or as rigorous as other things that we just associate with that anyway. So I think it was like, natural to want to explore taste in that way, because through the magazine itself, it's much more about platforming people or like designers or films and things that kind of just represent that ethos without actually being like, what is taste? So when I was thinking about what I wanted my next book to be, I knew that I wanted to kind of center it around taste and what that means, especially as it seems so much more fraught than when I started polyester in 2014, because of where we have kind of come to on the Internet with algorithms, influencers, and constantly having our taste delineated to us via trends. I guess.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess your book begs the question, is it even possible to have taste anymore? More, since we're so easily influenced by everything we see on our phone?

[Ione Gamble]

I think it's much more difficult, I think, and I can't even imagine how much more difficult it would be if you were, like, a younger person, like, someone in their teens or twenties, how much more difficult it would be to kind of foster a sense of taste that feels like subversive or transgressive. Because the Internet that we kind of came onto either as teenagers or young, young adults just doesn't exist anymore.

[Lauren Garrone]

I loved in the book, in one of your essays, you talk about how taste is something that you acquire, right? And you use this metaphor of the Russian doll of, like, you see a movie, you love the soundtrack. You know, you then like an artist from that soundtrack, you buy their album, you find out who the costume designer is. And I don't know when it comes to fashion, if that exists anymore. I feel like those that are cinephiles and, like, on letterbox box, that kind of Russian doll, finding the next thing, finding the influence exists. But I don't know if it exists in fashion today because we get so many questions of, like, I'm into fashion. Where do I even begin?

[Ione Gamble]

I think with fashion, it's, like, particularly depressing because I feel like the Internet in the beginning for fashion was, like, so ripe with different criticism and, like, Runway reviews and different critics, and now they're either paywalled or more difficult to find. Or your first kind of brushing with fashion isn't going to be through going on like, Vogue, Runway. It's going to be through an influencer that is most likely being paid to talk about that brand. We find out so much less because of that. Like, yeah, I couldn't tell you who soundtrack to show unless you're, like, looking for ages. And it just becomes more about shopping. And obviously, like, we love shopping. I love shopping, but I equally love finding out every single thing that is to know about a collection or, like, pulling out my own references, seeing if they match up to what was on the press release. And even though we're shown so much information, we actually have less knowledge about everything.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. But also a lot of people that are, like, fashion commentators online, the frame of reference is very Short. And it kind of begins, like, when fashion shows started to be on the Internet, which would be the early 2000s. Yeah. It's a different game now. It really is. I feel really lucky to have grown up in the time that I. I did, and honestly, to have my tastes more influenced by magazine editors than anyone else.

[Ione Gamble]

You know, I completely agree, and I think I was talking to someone about this, and it's that, like, now, because I refer to influencers as, like, a new class, like, a new social class of people, but really, I think what I mean is they've kind of replaced editors. Like, obviously, I'm an editor. I hope that that's not the case. But as in, like, in terms of who people look up to or want to emulate or want to be or want to get a career in, that would be influencers now, because they're so much more visible.

[Listener Callers]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's sad, but it's true. Speaking of editors, Lauren and I have always been big fans of Tavi Gevinson, who wrote a really great essay in your book. She, of course, edited Rookie, which was so influential. Can you talk about your relationship with her and do you feel a kinship with her as an editor?

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah. I mean, so Tavi was actually one of our first Polyester cover girls, and we had some, like, crossover, I guess, in contributors, like, early Polyester, and Rookie was very established by the time I started Polyester, and I found out through a contributor that she was coming to London to, like, launch the Pirelli calendar. Do you remember when they did, like, a feminist Pirelli calendar?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Truly the funniest thing ever.

[Ione Gamble]

And she was in it. And so this contributor was like, oh, do you want to shoot her? And I was like, obviously, yes. We had, like, two days. We called up, like, a club in where I live, Peckham, and we're like, can we shoot in here? Tavi turned up with, like, a driver who used to be, like, our prime minister's driver and a boot full of Chanel, and I was like, it was, like, the coolest thing I've ever seen in my whole life. We did the shoot in, like, three hours, and then we just stayed in touch, I think, obviously, because we both ran publications. I look up to her in many ways. Like, she's had such a, like, broad career, and, like, like, is so smart, knows so much about everything. I think her essay for the book is amazing as well, because she's always had such a clear point of view, but hasn't been that reflective on that time in her life. And I feel like the essay Kind of gives us a glimpse into that. And also, just like, her commentary on these things. Like, oh, I grew up with all of these pieces of culture that shaped me. How do I reckon with the fact that that might have been problematic or that I have complicated feelings towards it? Which is what the essay does.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Totally. I, too. A VHS copy of Almost Famous. At some point in my life, I

[Ione Gamble]

think we all did. Like, it's so funny. Like, one of our contributing editors is like a gay man. And he was like, I can't believe how much all of you refer to Almost Famous in this book. Like, I watched it once, didn't care for it and put it back down. Like, what was going on with all of you girls?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Is it really bad? I feel like it might be. Like, I haven't seen it since I was a teenager. Teenager.

[Lauren Garrone]

My husband had never seen Almost Famous and I'm a Cameron Crowe girly. I mean, everything prior to Elizabethtown and I had not seen Almost Famous and I don't know, 10 years, 15 years. And I tried showing it to him and he literally just walked out of the room. Not because it was bad, but it just couldn't carry his attention. He's like, I don't care about this.

[Ione Gamble]

I think it's good. I will say I think it. I haven't. I haven't watched it in, like, five years. But when I watched it, but it was nostalgia, obviously, I was like, I love it still.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I think that Almost Famous came back into the zeitgeist when that Daisy Jones and the Six series came out. Because people compared stills of Almost Famous to that and they were like, why does Almost Famous look authentically from the 70s? And this shows. Does not.

[Ione Gamble]

Well, Daisy 6 was terrible. But again, I loved it. I watched it all. I have such a low bar.

[Chelsea Fairless]

My feelings exactly about Daisy Jones in the Six. Although I will say, at least they did make a great fake song. That was their big song, which a lot of movies, like, with fictional rock bands cannot do.

[Ione Gamble]

I would like more fake songs in general.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, shout out to Nancy Wilson, who was Cameron Crowe's wife at the time, who was from the band hard, because she worked with all of those actors and then wrote the band was Stillwater.

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No one remembers those songs. We remember Tiny Dancer. That movie introduced Elton John to a whole new generation.

[Ione Gamble]

And thank God.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, back to this fabulous book that you wrote. I love Cat Cohen's essay about her sheltered religious upbringing and how it robbed her of those formative years of falling in love with culture and developing her own tastes in it made me really thankful that my parents gave me unlimited Internet and cable television time. But it made me curious what your formative cultural obsessions were like, what changed you forever?

[Ione Gamble]

So I was really lucky that I grew up in Brighton, which is, like, a very liberal city in the UK that's on the beach, and it's like the gay capital of the UK as well. So I feel like I was introduced to a lot of things quite early. But for me, I remember being, like, 11 years old, old and walking around, like, the town center and used to just be able to pick up all these magazines for free. So I picked up, like, Vice. And do you remember it's that cover where it's a girl on the beach and she's, like, lighting a cigarette and her light is over her boob. That was, like, the first, like, adult magazine I picked up. And I feel like that unlocked a lot for me. And similarly, I don't think he ever made it across the pond, but there was this, like, indie era gay musician called Path, Patrick Wolfe, which neither of you have probably ever heard of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Never heard of that. But I did read a lot of British magazines growing up, so I'm surprised.

[Ione Gamble]

He was in a Burberry campaign with Agnes Dean.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. I do remember this Burberry campaign.

[Ione Gamble]

So I feel like liking him kind of open fashion up to me in that way as well, but also as like, 11, 12, 13, during, like, big peak, Cara Delevingne, Indy in British fashion, and like, like, yeah, these brands that were kind of coming out of Central St. Minnes, Fashion east starting. And that was all, like, very accessible, not just via the Internet, but via fashion magazine. So I felt like that's kind of what unlocked it all for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it must be nice to grow up in close proximity to a city that was such a cultural hub, you know, of fashion, especially at that time. Are we talking about, like, the House of Holland era?

[Ione Gamble]

Big House of Holland era. Like, I bought, like, the nail decals, the tights, like, anything I could buy. All of the Topshop collaborations, anything that was like a high street designer mashup I was buying or, like, trying to buy. I really wanted the Christopher Kane crocodile dress for my prom dress, but I couldn't afford it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, of course. All that Christopher Kane stuff, the gorilla dress, like, it's all so burned into my brain.

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah, it's that era for me. I. I feel like all of those things and it was like music and fashion had such a close connection in the UK in particular that, like, I was just obsessed with.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that period was so interesting too because it was like the first time that I was metabolizing fashion content like those Christopher Kane collections through blogs instead of through magazines.

[Ione Gamble]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which now it's just kind of.

[Listener Callers]

Kind of.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. It's a different game.

[Ione Gamble]

I think that like, for example. Yeah, like blogs editorialized fashion in the same way a magazine did. Right. Like Suzy Bubble Tavi, all of those early era bloggers were really also editorializing their work, whereas now we're just getting the clothes and the influences as they are.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I could talk about mid aughts British fashion with you all day, but unfortunately we have to wrap things up. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us today, Ione. We wanted to have you on the pod forever and this has been fab.

[Ione Gamble]

Oh, thank you for having me. What a dream come true.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And thank you also to everyone who submitted questions. If we didn't get to your questions, they may be answered on our VIP mailbag episode that is coming out in a few days. Until then, bye guys.

[Ione Gamble]

Bye.

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