On Blake Lively, Robbie Williams, LV x Murakami

Summary

Every Outfit Podcast Summary
Episode: On Blake Lively, Robbie Williams, LV x Murakami
Release Date: January 5, 2025

Hosts: Chelsea Fairless & Lauren Garroni

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Introduction and Personal Updates

The episode begins with Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garroni addressing their recent delays in releasing the first episode of 2025. Chelsea shares a personal struggle, stating, “I came down with some horrifying virus on the flight home, so that also delayed things” (00:35). Lauren humorously blames herself for the scheduling mishap, adding, “I usually put our recording schedule together and I was so focused on making it through December of 2024” (00:37).

The hosts recount their challenging flights back from Australia, with Chelsea lamenting, “having to experience extreme turbulence without a vodka cranberry is truly the most harrowing thing I've ever experienced” (01:12). They share light-hearted anecdotes about their New Year's Eve experiences, contrasting Chelsea’s solitary night on the couch with Lauren’s low-key dinner with family.

Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni Lawsuit

A significant portion of the episode delves into the contentious lawsuit between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni concerning their film "It Ends With Us." Lauren introduces the topic by explaining, “the New York Times dropped a bombshell story detailing Blake Lively's complaint against Justin Baldoni” (06:02). According to Lauren, Lively accuses Baldoni of sexual harassment and orchestrating a smear campaign to tarnish her reputation.

Chelsea and Lauren dissect the allegations, highlighting specific claims such as Lively requesting Baldoni to “stop showing me pornography non consensually on set” (07:31). Baldoni counters by clarifying that the supposed pornography was actually footage of a home birth, questioning Lively’s assertions: “But there are also sandwiches that incorporate lobster, I guess” (08:22).

The hosts discuss the contradictory narratives presented in both lawsuits, with Chelsea remarking, “this just seems messy in general” (20:40). They emphasize the complexity of the situation, noting, “making a movie is a fraught experience, even under the best of circumstances” (21:11). The conversation underscores the difficulty of assigning blame in such tangled disputes, concluding that “everyone had a part in making this situation this messy” (22:10).

Yellowjackets and Season Three

Transitioning from Hollywood disputes, Chelsea and Lauren discuss the popular TV series "Yellowjackets." Chelsea mentions rewatching the first two seasons during her illness, expressing excitement for the upcoming third season: “It's my favorite show ever. I'm so excited” (25:11). They humorously exchange fragmented memories of season two, with Lauren admitting, “I had no idea what the fuck is going on” (25:19).

Lauren shares a fan theory related to the new season’s trailer, speculating, “the teenage version of herself ate Melanie Lynskey's baby” (27:21). Chelsea counters by emphasizing the show's intricate timeline, urging listeners to rewatch previous seasons for better understanding: “I think it's highly unlikely that Hilary Swank is playing any one of the yellow jackets” (27:46).

Robbie Williams Biopic: A Better Man

Lauren shifts the discussion to the upcoming Robbie Williams biopic titled "A Better Man." She describes a mysterious billboard advertising the film, featuring a CGI monkey, and notes the film's impressive budget: “the budget of this film is $110 million” (33:29). Chelsea mentions having watched the related documentary, acknowledging Robbie Williams' influence despite his limited presence in the U.S.: “I do know who Robbie Williams is, but to any British people listening, this is what happened” (31:49).

The hosts express mixed feelings about the film's portrayal and budget, with Lauren stating, “But what I do want to discuss, going back to my point about, like, media literacy being pushed to its absolute brink” (33:29). They conclude that despite Williams’ limited fame in the U.S., the film's positive reviews make it a noteworthy release.

Fashion Discussions

Louis Vuitton x Takashi Murakami Reissue

Chelsea and Lauren explore Louis Vuitton's reissue of their collaboration with Japanese pop artist Takashi Murakami, originally launched in Spring 2003. Chelsea notes the extensive 200-piece collection, lamenting, “It's definitely not for us, but it's actually interesting” (34:49). They compare the original Marc Jacobs vision with the current iteration, observing the shift in cultural associations over time.

Lauren critiques specific items from the collection, particularly the footwear, describing Louis Vuitton's espadrille wedges as “the most horrifying outfit I've seen” (36:54). Nevertheless, they acknowledge the campaign's strength, praising the photoshoot featuring Zendaya: “It is great. It was shot by Inez and Vinod, who used to shoot Louis Vuitton campaigns in the Marc Jacobs era” (37:47).

Walmart’s "Birkin" and Skims Flagship Store

The hosts comment on Walmart's introduction of a handbag dubbed the “Workin,” juxtaposing it with the luxurious Birkin bags, and expressing disdain for mass-produced imitations: “I fucking hate a satirical fake Birkin” (40:08). They discuss the fleeting nature of viral fashion trends, predicting that such items will quickly fall out of favor and end up discarded.

Additionally, Chelsea highlights the opening of Skims' flagship store in New York City, marveling at its location and design: “it is the most lavish store” (43:03). They joke about potential future expansions and the exclusivity of the store’s clientele.

Kim Kardashian’s "Santa Baby" Music Video

Lauren brings up Kim Kardashian’s unconventional "Santa Baby" music video, describing it as “deeply weird” and comparing its surreal imagery to works by David Lynch and Harmony Korine (46:13). Chelsea agrees, noting the video’s bizarre elements and speculative references: “I think it's a reference to the tuxedo man and the bear shot from the Shining” (47:19).

They admire Kardashian’s creative risks, concluding, “I admire Kim's willingness to try new and increasingly bizarre things” (48:32).

Farewell to Fashion Legends

Concluding the episode, the hosts pay tribute to influential figures in the fashion industry who recently passed away:

• Rosita Mazzoni: Chelsea mourns the loss of the matriarch of the Missoni Zigzag knitwear empire, praising her as “a visionary textile designer and fashion designer and businesswoman” (50:45).

• Jocelyn Wildenstein: They briefly discuss Wildenstein, known for her extreme plastic surgery, with Chelsea reminiscing about her glamorous yet shocking image: “She was introduced via a Vanity Fair profile” (53:02).

• Polly Mellon: Lauren honors Polly Mellon, a legendary fashion editor and stylist, highlighting her positive influence in the industry: “She was fashion's cheerleader” (54:55). Chelsea adds personal anecdotes about Mellon’s enthusiastic personality and dedication to fashion.

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with Chelsea and Lauren reflecting on the ever-evolving nature of fashion and pop culture, emphasizing their commitment to providing insightful and candid commentary. They sign off by expressing anticipation for future discussions and maintaining their signature blend of humor and critical analysis.

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Notable Quotes

• Chelsea Fairless: “I spent $40,000 on shoes.” (00:04)
• Lauren Garroni: “We don't condone saying that someone's wearing designer outfits when they're clearly not.” (49:49)
• Lauren Garroni: “It’s my favorite show ever. I'm so excited.” (25:11)
• Chelsea Fairless: “I have nothing against the way that they look. It's not my taste, but I appreciate them from a design standpoint.” (24:20)
• Lauren Garroni: “Everyone had a part in making this situation this messy.” (22:10)

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Timestamp References

• [00:04] – Episode starts with Chelsea’s shoe expenditure.
• [00:35] – Chelsea discusses illness delaying recordings.
• [00:37] – Lauren takes responsibility for scheduling.
• [01:12] – Chelsea describes harrowing flight experience.
• [06:02] – Introduction to Blake Lively’s lawsuit.
• [07:31] – Details of Lively’s accusations.
• [08:22] – Discussion on what constitutes pornography on set.
• [20:40] – Chelsea finds the lawsuit situation messy.
• [21:11] – Lauren reflects on the challenges of filmmaking.
• [22:10] – Both agree on shared blame in the lawsuit.
• [25:11] – Excitement for Yellowjackets season three.
• [27:21] – Lauren shares a fan theory about the show.
• [27:46] – Chelsea urges rewatching Yellowjackets.
• [33:29] – Discussion on Robbie Williams biopic.
• [34:49] – Louis Vuitton x Murakami reissue overview.
• [36:54] – Critique of Louis Vuitton’s espadrilles.
• [37:47] – Praise for Louis Vuitton’s Zendaya campaign.
• [40:08] – Host’s disdain for Walmart’s “Workin” bag.
• [43:03] – Comments on Skims flagship store.
• [46:13] – Analysis of Kim Kardashian’s "Santa Baby" video.
• [48:32] – Admiration for Kardashian’s creativity.
• [50:45] – Tribute to Rosita Mazzoni.
• [53:02] – Discussion on Jocelyn Wildenstein.
• [54:55] – Honors to Polly Mellon.

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Note: Timestamps are indicative and correspond to key points as discussed in the transcript.

Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

I spent $40,000 on shoes.

[Lauren Garrone]

What's the matter, Morty?

[Unknown]

Great gowns. Beautiful gowns.

[Lauren Garrone]

Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't. Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. Sorry that this first episode of the year is coming to you a little late.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Honestly, who cares?

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I think dedicated listeners care. This was my fault. I usually put our recording schedule together and I was so focused on making it through December of 2024, I didn't really clock the fact that we would technically be recording the day after New Year's Day, which is a little bit rough.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that is rough. Also, I came down with some horrifying virus on the flight home, so that also delayed things.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also having recently done the flight back from Australia. Rough flight?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, girl, you think you had it rough.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's true. I wasn't sick on the airplane.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You also weren't in economy. And my stomach was so fucked up that I couldn't eat or drink. And like, having to experience extreme turbulence without a vodka cranberry is truly the most harrowing thing I've ever experienced. Awful. Worst flight I've ever had in my life. But I made it. I'm alive.

[Lauren Garrone]

I really hope this isn't a harbinger of the year we're gonna have in 2025.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope so too. And I was sad because Tad and I were planning to have a nice little intimate Samantha and Smith Jared, New Year's Eve, complete with matching sequin robes. Just kidding about the robes. But instead, on New Year's, I laid on my couch chugging Gatorade, looking like Tom Hanks at the end of Philadelphia.

[Lauren Garrone]

Walt had tortured you by ordering in Indian takeout.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Truly the worst thing ever.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, how was everything before that?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Everything was great. I had a delightful holiday with Chad and her family. Lots of pool hangs, lots of prawns. Chill and uneventful. What about you?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, it was a very low key Christmas. We got back the 21st. There's something about arriving back in Los Angeles at 5:30 in the morning, where it is 1am the next day in Sydney where you're like, I'm not supposed to be up in either time zones. No, that is especially rough. And then Paul and I had to immediately turn it around and get our house together and set up the Christmas tree and host a Christmas Day dinner for his family and my family. And we pulled it together. And you know that a good time was had because I got absolutely no photographs. You Were like, what did it look like? And I was like, here's a point five photo my dad took.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think taking no photographs on Christmas is healthy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Probably having your phone in the other room because you're actually talking to human beings.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think the more photos that are on your phone, the more mentally ill you are. Like, there's a direct correlation.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was going through my camera roll because that's kind of my default thing to do when there's no wifi on a plane. And I was like, why do I have three screenshots of a piss yellow BMW from six months ago?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, wait, why didn't you have Internet?

[Lauren Garrone]

Sometimes the WI fi sucks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That is cruel and unusual.

[Lauren Garrone]

No major fights between the families. This one. The first time we're combining all of our families together. I will say the most controversial subject that was spoken about was that Paul's brother was insisting that foods can be defined by two categories. A soup or a sandwich.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's the most horrible take I've ever heard.

[Lauren Garrone]

Paul entered in a third category, a salad. Because my mom made our traditional lasagna. His mother made pool. And so that's where the conversation really broke down of like, what is lasagna by this category?

[Chelsea Fairless]

So what is lobster meat?

[Lauren Garrone]

Lobster meat by itself?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess a salad.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Come on. But there are also sandwiches that incorporate lobster, I guess.

[Lauren Garrone]

James, point is that lasagna could be seen as a soup or a salad. It wouldn't be a sandwich because you can't hold it in your hands.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. Well, it sounds like you had a fascinating Christmas.

[Lauren Garrone]

And then I had an incredibly lowkey and boring New Year's Eve, which I think is in stark contrast to last year where Paul and I had a party and we're up until 4 or 5 in the morning. This year we went to dinner with his parents at 5:30pm and I was in bed by 10.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Nice. I did watch the whole Anderson Cooper, Andy Cohen, CNN extravaganza.

[Lauren Garrone]

I just got the highlights. Was this one of the better years? I couldn't tell.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I don't watch it every single year. I always think they're funny. They were quite drunk and Anderson Cooper was trying to hide the fact that he was drunk. Which makes it so much worse than if you're just outwardly a train wreck. Because that means that you talk in a very stilted way and then every, like, tenth word is slurred.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But like that they made fun of Eric Adams. Not to his face, but he was there because it was new Year's.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, from what I saw, Andy Cohen was making fun of him from afar, and me thinks they're going to get their drinking privileges taken away for next year, which happens every third year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I think that should be fair game. It's a pretty ridiculous situation.

[Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely. Speaking of ridiculous situations, Chelsea, it is time for us to talk about this Blake Lively Justin Baldoni situation, which we avoided when the Movie It Ends With Us came out because we didn't care to wait.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We talked about it. You told me about it, and then I think we talked about her bad outfits and her bad hair care line.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which is more what we care about. I guess my point is we didn't take a side at that point. I think we were firmly Team no. 1. And having spent New Year's Day reading each of their 80 page lawsuits and complaints, spoiler alert. I remain team no. 1. But anyway, this story is so messy and convoluted, I don't want to be discussing it. But here we are. Chell. So right before the holidays, the New York Times dropped a bombshell story detailing Blake Lively's complaint against her. It ends with us co star and director Justin Maldoni, in addition to his production company, his producing partner Jamie Heath, and his publicist, among many others. In the complaint, Lively accuses Baldoni of sexual harassment and mounting a smear campaign to ruin her reputation. Backlash to Baldoni was swift, including his agency, wme, which also happens to be Lively's agency, dropping him and his podcast co host quitting on New Year's Eve. Baldoni, along with nine other plaintiffs, dropped their lawsuit against the New York Times, alleging their story relied on Lively's quote, self serving narrative and manipulated the truth. So I figured the best way to discuss this, Chelsea, is to take the most salacious allegations that Blake Lively leveled in her complaint, and then I will tell you Baldoni's counterpoint to these claims.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Great.

[Lauren Garrone]

So her complaint starts off with a bang by describing an incident that happened in January, I believe 2024, because this production was troubled, not because of personalities, but also it was upended by the SAG strike and then the WGA strike. So they started filming, had to stop and then start filming again. And before Lively was going to concede to film again, she had a list of demands that she gave Baldoni and his team. Baldoni says in his complaint that these demands he only saw when the New York Times story dropped. I think the most outlandish of these claims are the ones where you're like, ooh, that's really not good is Lively. One of her demands was, like, Heath, who was one of the producers, and Baldoni need to stop showing me pornography non consensually on set.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Baldoni, in his lawsuit against the Time, alleges that the pornography in question was footage of the producer Jamie Heath's wife's home birth or water birth, which is decidedly not pornography. But also, Blake Lively has had four children. Like, does she need to be shown what giving birth looks like?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, true. Because was there a birth scene in this movie?

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm going to assume so.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope so.

[Lauren Garrone]

The other, I would say, claim that everyone was like, oh, well, fuck Justin Baldoni was that Baldoni and Heath kept barging into her trailer while she was breastfeeding. But then Baldoni counters with a screenshot of a text exchange where she's like, I'm just pumping my trailer if you want to work on lines.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

She alleges he hired a crisis PR firm to wage a smear campaign against her. He claims that most of the negative stories were not planted by him or his team and text featured in her complaint omit that context. He also provides receipts that he was kicked out of the editing and marketing process of the movie. So basically, she took over during the editing stage and really pushed for her version of the film to be released, which is what ended up happening for sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But to back it up, he did mount a smear campaign by using a crisis PR firm and a digital strategist to what, suppress negative stories about Baldani, plant negative ones about Lively, and then boost social media posts that were, like, anti Blake Lively. But I agree, people turning on Blake Lively isn't just because this man mounted the most successful smear campaign of all time.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, part of the context that he provides are text messages with the publicist being like, well, we didn't even place that story, but it feels like we should have. It's something to that effect, which I think the one thing that everyone can agree on is why are publicists not using encrypted text messaging apps like Telegram and Signal? Why am I looking at incriminating text in imessage?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like that one publicist, Melissa Nathan, who's heavily featured in the New York Times article. She is casually sending the most sinister texts, and I would really like to watch some sort of television show based on her job in life.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I was about to say, isn't that what the Kim Kardashian Ryan Murphy show is about? But I was like, oh, wait, no, that's about lawyers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, Also, she works for this PR firm that the majority stake is owned by Scooter Braun. So can you imagine how Taylor Swift feels about all of this?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh boy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know, like, I think this is perfect motivation for the new songs on the Reputation reissue which you are eagerly awaiting.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, to be fair, so am I. I mean, that's like the album that I really love. That was my entry point to Taylor. We were living together. It was a very special moment in time for us. Anyway, again, having read most of this Justin Baldoni lawsuit, it really is so much of how the sausage is made because a lot of what he is showing are emails and text messages to TMZ about like, do you want this to go live? Can we get a comment? Things that I think are otherwise portrayed as I don't know how this story got out. You're now seeing how it happens, right? And to go back to Baldoni feeling alienated from his own film during the post production process, getting kicked out of the editing room. It sucks. But he's presenting it as if like this never happens. And that's just not true. There is unfortunately a precedent in Hollywood of actors kicking out directors in the editing room famously, or I guess if you're a citadel nerd like myself, famously. Edward Norton took over editing for the film American History X. That director to this day has never seen the movie because he says it is not his. Sylvester Stallone notoriously would install puppet directors so that he could really control the film the way that he wanted. This is the part I think you're going to find the most interesting, which is part of Lively's assertion of sexual harassment. Was this pressure from Baldoni to be sexier and dress sexier as the character? Specifically, there is an exchange about a beanie.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This I do know about, but enlighten the fuckettes. That may be unfamiliar.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Lively discusses in her complaint this moment where she was told to dress sexier. Baldoni's context is a multi paragraph description about how before production started, Blake Lively took over from the costume designer and completely reoriented how the character dresses. And the first day of shooting when she was costumed in her own wardrobe to her own vision of the character. She was of course paparazzi and evidently the studio freaked the fuck out and was like, what is this? And so he went in the trailer and tried to run studio interference. And she has painted that as being sexually harassed, although he provides text messages where she even acknowledges in her own words the character should be sexy. And there is a back and forth discussion that we see in text message about to wear a beanie or to not wear a beanie. And is this beanie sexy? And Chelsea, thoughts?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think the beanie is the least problematic aspect of this outfit, actually. The costuming in this movie, the way that Blake Lively looks in every photo that comes up. If you google Blake Lively, this ends with us. Costumes is the most terrifying outfit I've seen. Like, this is truly horrible. And I feel bad for the wardrobe team that they were sabotaged like this. Not to mention bad for Justin Baldoni for trying to do his job. Because if I was the director and this was what the lead looked like, I can't even imagine how upset I would be.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, it wouldn't matter how good the film was. I think that she thinks that she's putting these disparate pieces together in a whimsical way, a la Carrie Bradshaw or even perhaps like Al Pacino in Serpico or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm sure that was the inspiration, but.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It is not landing well. He rocked a beanie and looked fabulous.

[Lauren Garrone]

Chelsea, multiple friends of mine have over the past few months have been like, you need to watch. This is. This is us. No, that's the. That's the TV show. It ends with us. Just for the costumes. I've had multiple friends be like, I just need your commentary on the costumes in this film. Also, having looked at these paparazzi shots of her in costume, the best I could describe it for those who somehow don't know what she may look like in this movie. It's like a femme version of Adam Sandler.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. I think that's so rude to Adam Sandler.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know what? You are correct. Sorry. To Adam Sandler.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She wishes she looked like Adam Sandler. This, to me, is more folksy. It's more anthropology. It actually kind of reminds me of how some women dress where I grew up. Like, you know, sort of hippie ish growers, wives, vibes. But, like, she's added like 5 inch heels to these horrifying outfits consisting of, like, overalls and like, nasty e cat print blouses and like, just harrowing patchwork, you know, quilted pieces. It's. It's really awful.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Honestly, it's. It's horrible.

[Lauren Garrone]

The double pant look that she seems to wear in several scenes I find quite upsetting as well.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's like sagging, but with two separate pairs of patchwork pants.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, what?

[Lauren Garrone]

She is portraying a 25 year old?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow, that's insane. That makes the costuming make even less sense.

[Lauren Garrone]

She was trying to defend that her character could afford these shoes which were her own. And Justin Baldoni was like bending over backwards to justify in the script a way that a character could afford these shoes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

They're knockoffs, they're fakes.

[Lauren Garrone]

So the other highly charged thing that of course people would have a feeling about is Blake Lively's claim that she was repeatedly fat shamed on set.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Was it just because of like how those outfits are reading on camera?

[Lauren Garrone]

No, his claim, and I think part of the problem with this lawsuit is he is not just the director, he is the co lead with her in this movie. So I guess he has a very bad back and he wanted to make sure that he could actually lift her up in the scene that he needed to lift her up without hurting his back. He could only lift a certain weight and so he asked his trainer, I guess, to ask Blake Lively what her weight was. And somehow that got misinterpreted as Justin thinks you're fat and you need to lose weight. I don't know how. It's not detailed in either of their lawsuitcomplaints how this got misinterpreted, but that is her side and that is his side of this. Which then led to Ryan Reynolds berating him in front of Blake Lively and a Sony executive at Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds Tribeca apartment.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yikes. That sounds like a nightmare.

[Lauren Garrone]

There are also things in her complaint that were part of her list of demands that he does not answer for that I need some context from his side, such as one of her list of demands per the please stop showing me pornography. Which he was like, it was a video of a home birth. She also asked him to stop talking about his previous pornography addiction. And she also asked him to stop discussing the fact that he could communicate with her dead father. Which nowhere in his lawsuit does he have context about what that was really about.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. Look, I'm sure this guy is slimy as fuck, but this just seems messy in general.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. So having said all of this, these are my personal feelings about this situation. Making a movie is a fraught experience, even under the best of circumstances. I feel like contemporary PR culture has made it seem like everyone who works on a film should be best friends forever. This is actually kind of the core issue of Kim Cattrall and Sarah Jessica Parker's Friction.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right?

[Lauren Garrone]

Is this pressure from the media of, like, why aren't you guys besties? These are work colleagues. Like, think about your work, not our work because we're actually friends. But fuckettes, think about your work. Do you love everyone you work with? No. Why would it be different on a film set? And Chell, let us not forget that the director Werner Herzog and his very good friend and frequent collaborator Klaus Kinski actively tried to kill each other more than once while making movies together.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good for them.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I really feel like this and several other stories that have been in the online discourse has pushed media literacy to its brink. Chelsea. Because I find it fascinating that even with all of this information, her complaint, his counter, that people are still looking for a clear hero and villain in this narrative. And it's my general opinion that when something gets this fucked, everyone is to blame. Maybe not in equal parts.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

But everyone had a part in making this situation this messy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, for sure. And I don't think that this drama around it ends with us is the Sole reason why people dislike Blake Lively. There are a lot of people that didn't like her to begin with. There are a lot of people that rightfully never got over the fact that she got married on a slave plantation. So that's not something that requires a smear campaign pain necessarily to damage her image. Also, I found it fascinating in the New York Times article that they cited that sales of her Target. Is it skin care or hair care? I think it's hair care.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's hair care.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Blake Brown is down by 78%. I don't know what period they're comparing that to.

[Lauren Garrone]

Let me tell you, child, they're comparing it to the pre sale excitement for the brand. That's what they're pinning.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's insane.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. The loss of wages against See, and.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That'S so deceptive because Blake Brown launched at target on August 4, which is five days before the nationwide release of that movie with a name that I can't remember. It ends with us. This ends with us.

[Lauren Garrone]

It ends with us.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It ends with us.

[Lauren Garrone]

By the way, this will end us, this conversation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But they clearly launched this hair care line with the intent of piggybacking off of the PR of the film.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's funny you say that, Chelsea, because in her complaint she's like, that launch date for my hair care line was a year in advance before we even knew the release date of the film. It's like, change it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The reality of the situation is this, man smear campaign is not responsible for Blake Brown tanking. Sales went down because all of your fans bought it in the presale or the first week and then no one really gave a fudge. And I think a big part of that is the packaging, which is disgusting, not to mention derivative of the honeycomb concept that Fenty has been using for years with their packaging. I'd just sooner die before I let one of those honeycombs into my shower.

[Lauren Garrone]

They also seem quite large as well. Maybe in her Tribeca shower she could fit all of the full hair range. But it is wild to me that all of this is for a seemingly okay book that was made into an okay to not very good film. And what I really think that this is about is the fact that Justin Baldoni owns the sequel rights to this book. And I think all of this is not to recoup the loss of profits for her hair care line or Boozy Betty, whatever her alcoholic and non alcoholic drink line is, but it's more to bully Justin Baldoni to give her the sequel rights.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I can't imagine he will now.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right. Hopefully this is the last we will speak of this topic.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So, during my period of illness, I rewatched both seasons of Yellowjackets.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, thank you. Because I was very excited while we were in Australia, I got to be the one to show you the trailer for season three. And what I was going to say is, while I am excited for season three, I do not remember what happened at all in season two, which aired nearly two years ago.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, really? Died and the house burned down?

[Lauren Garrone]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Died.

[Lauren Garrone]

I forgot that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, well, that's what happened.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sorry. For people who were like, God damn it, I was gonna watch season two.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe we should bleep that out.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure. All I remember is Elijah Wood and Melanie Lynskey having an affair.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You mean Christina Ricci and Elijah Wood.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, no, sorry. Not that Elijah Wood and Melanie Lynskey had an affair. It's just I remember Elijah Wood shows up in season two, and Melanie Lynskey has an affair with someone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Who's a reporter.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, he's an artist, God damn it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, I'm excited for season three.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You should rewatch the first two seasons. It is very satisfying. I love feeling like I'm out in the wilderness with them. Although I do have one complaint. Because if they have, in fact, been in the wilderness for now, it's got to be at least nine months. Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Because they went through a winter, and now they're in spring. Summer.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And Shawna had a whole ass baby that she carried to term.

[Lauren Garrone]

Spoiler alert.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think, given that time frame, I think the roots on the young Juliet Lewis character need to be much longer.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's fair.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who's giving her this Saint Laurent dye job?

[Lauren Garrone]

We still don't know if Melanie Lynskey's teenage child is the child she gave birth to. Right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, it's not the child she gave birth to.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, so we don't know what happened to that baby?

[Chelsea Fairless]

The events of yellowjackets took place 25 years before the present day. And that girl is only 18. You need to rewatch this show.

[Lauren Garrone]

I know I do. But here's my fan theory. Then we know that from the Yellowjacket Season 3 trailer, Hilary Swank joins the cast. I'm just gonna say that the teenage version of herself ate Melanie Lynskey's baby.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, again, you really need to rewatch this show. I think it's highly unlikely that Hilary Swank is playing any one of the yellow jackets. She could really be anyone. People have speculated that she could be a sister of one of the dead characters. Maybe she's law enforcement. Maybe she's a true crime podcaster. Who the knows? We do not know how Hillary Swank fits into the equation at all.

[Lauren Garrone]

I do love that they're dropping the new season on Valentine's Day. It's as if Showtime is like, we know the girls and gays who watch this don't have plans on February 14th.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm gonna stay home and watch yellow jackets. That much I know.

[Lauren Garrone]

You losers watch yellow jackets. You don't have boyfriends.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that is so rude. Also, in this trailer, we see Tawny Cypress and Lord Ambrose passionately making out. So Ty and Van are clearly back on.

[Lauren Garrone]

Love it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We see a tunnel, which means, are there tunnels out in the woods in yellow jackets? Do we know? Was it perhaps an old mining area or something?

[Lauren Garrone]

Chelsea, be honest. Have you given up the JonBenet subreddit for the Yellowjackets subreddit?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, I have added myself to the YellowJackets subreddit as well, and now my entire feed is just yellowjackets or JonBenet Ramsey. By the way, guys, I still haven't solved her murder. I'm working on it, but I continue to go back and forth between the Patsy did it and the Burke did it camp. Currently, I am Burke did it, but I can't ignore certain things. And Patsy always calls me back like a siren song.

[Lauren Garrone]

Every outfit. Trip to Colorado when. Wait, okay, I have to tell this Anna anecdote from the Australia trip. We did discuss doing a trip where we went to Colorado because we all want to go to Casa Bonita, which is the childhood favorite restaurant of Trey Parker and Matt Stone, who they featured this restaurant in South Park. It went out of business. They bought their favorite childhood restaurant, spent $40 million restoring it. And so we've talked about doing a trip where, like, Paul and Tat can go skiing. I guess we'll be investigating JonBenet, and then we can eat at Casa Bonita. And while we were discussing this, Chelsea just had, like, a really far away look, and she looked almost sad. Guys. And I said, chelsea, what? What's wrong? And you were like, the people who think John did it. Do they have a point?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I don't. I don't think they have a point. I'm way past John doing it at this point.

[Lauren Garrone]

And Tad turned to you and she said, for Christmas, can we just not talk about JonBenet? And without missing a beat. And you are 100% serious, you went. Well, that's gonna be difficult. Because she died on Boxing Day.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, they found her body on Boxing Day. We don't know the exact timelines around her death.

[Lauren Garrone]

But anyway, are we done talking about Yellowjackets?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's my favorite show ever. I'm so excited. And yes, please re watch the first two seasons because based on your, like, severely limited knowledge and degraded memories, you will have no idea what the fuck is going on going into season three.

[Lauren Garrone]

In my defense, season two did come out in 2023. Can I talk to you about something that has captured my imagination this past week or two, which is when I landed back in la, I saw a mysterious billboard and all it said was from the director of the Greatest Showman, A Better Man. And I was like, that's weird. There's no character poster or anything. So I looked the film up and what I saw was a poster of a CGI monkey. And this is a Robbie Williams biopic that he is in, but he's mo capped and he is a monkey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I did know about this. I have seen the trailer. It is shocking.

[Lauren Garrone]

But what I do want to discuss, going back to my point about, like, media literacy being pushed to its absolute brink. There was an online fight that went on between Brits genuinely thinking that Americans were joking when they were like, we don't know who Robbie Williams is. And they were like, good one, America. We're like, we're not joking.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, we are not joking. I. I know who Robbie Williams is, but to any British people listening, this is what happened. So Take that. Only had one hit in the US which was back for good, but it didn't even get to like the top of the Billboard charts. Like, it was on the radio. But it wasn't big enough for us to, like, know who the names of any of the members are. Like, you would have to be the most avid Bop magazine reader to know who Robbie Williams is. If you were American at that point, then Angels never charted here. We've never heard that song. Maybe we've heard it in like a rom com or something, but we have never once heard that song on the radio. We did hear Rock DJ because it made its way onto MTV because the music video was incredible. But again, it wasn't at the top of the charts. It was more likely that we heard it in like a Sprint commercial or something to that effect.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And we have never heard from him since.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, I think it bears mentioning that Robbie Williams has lived in the United States on and off, specifically in Los Angeles, for the fact that no one knows him here and he can Be anonymous.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I only know who he is because I'm more obsessed with pop culture than most, but also because I read a lot of British music magazines in the 90s and I spent part of my summers in Canada where my grandparents lived, during which I would watch much music. So Robbie Williams made it to Canada, obviously Commonwealth country, but not to the United States.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is all to say better man getting great reviews.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I am not against seeing it. I actually weirdly watched the Robbie Williams docu series that came out on Netflix, I think last year. Oh, about his like, you know, fucked up addiction and all that stuff.

[Lauren Garrone]

I just googled the film because I wanted to see the the Rotten Tomatoes score. It is at a 90% with 94 reviews in. That's better than Wicked.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I like the fact that they did something bold and did something different with this biopic.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I am astonished to see that the budget of this film is $110 million. Whoa, how CGI monkey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Robbie Williams, just like the British Film Council have a lot of money to give away or something like what's.

[Lauren Garrone]

We gotta go see it. We'll report back.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shall we move on to some fashion stuff?

[Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So Louis Vuitton has reissued their collaboration with the Japanese pop artist Takashi Murakami over two decades after the first one. The first Murakami handbags debuted in your favorite Louis Vuitton collection.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which we discussed last month, spring 2003. And now they are back with a 200 plus piece collection of all sorts of shit.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wait, 200 pieces?

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's over 200 pieces.

[Lauren Garrone]

I thought I scrolled through most of it. 200 pieces. That would explain why so much of it is so ugly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's definitely not for us, but it's actually interesting because when you go back and you look at the Runway images From the Spring 2003 Louis Vuitton show, you see Marc Jacobs original vision. And he was trying to do something that was like very prim and ladylike, but also, I guess, fresh enough for Sofia Coppola to want to wear. Whereas now we associate those bags with like Paris Hilton and early aughts, trashy celebrity culture. But it's not like they were trying to make bags that were deliberately trashy and like Day Class A, like D squared or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

This reissue was of course bound to happen, as we are in a death spiral of nostalgic brain rot. I suppose in theory we could buy one of these bags now with our adult money, although we wouldn't. But it's like this passes by two times because when we were teenagers, we couldn't afford this. And now even if we could afford this, we don't want it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I do like the Murakami cherry print stuff a lot. Of course, but that hasn't been reissued yet. I'm sure that it will be. They also didn't reissue the cherry blossom stuff. Like, remember Charlotte on Sex and the City had the cherry blossom Murakami Papillon bag in a scene.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I guess that would explain why my favorite bag from the collection is the classic Louis Vuitton brown leather Speedy bag with the Murakami prints on top of it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, like the flowers.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. The original bags were a black and white colorway which they have reissued the.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Monogram canvas with the rainbow colored logos on it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. Can we discuss a low point of this 200 piece collection?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God.

[Lauren Garrone]

Because in a word, it's footwear.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I agree with you. I think the low point of the collection is the espadrilles. It's the white monogram canvas with. Oh, God, it pains me to say it, an espadrille wedge. I feel like, honestly, if someone goes and buys those in a Louis Vuitton store, they should immediately fall through a trap door and never be seen or heard from again.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I think for me, the almost Birkenstock sandal version of that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which Hermes really led the way for that kind of ugly luxury sandal that I do not care for in any context.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I'm with you. Although I love original Birkenstocks. Just wear a Birkenstock.

[Lauren Garrone]

Now that we've properly hated on this collection, we should discuss the fact that the campaign with Zendaya is great.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it is. It is great. It was shot by Inez and Vinod, who used to shoot Louis Vuitton campaigns in the Marc Jacobs era. I think they did a good job with it. It's also the only thing I've ever seen from Louis Vuitton that does seem to combine the very disparate ideas of, you know, Nicolas Ghesquiere, Pharrell, and I suppose their overlord Marc Jacobs into a single look. I guess there are too many cooks in the kitchen when you really think about it. But it doesn't look like there are too many cooks in the kitchen.

[Lauren Garrone]

No. Because it looks like an old school Louis Vuitton ad done today.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And I like the way that they incorporated the Murakami artwork into the. The ads. I think it is quite effective.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love in your scenario, Marc Jacobs is like the wizard of Oz. Just watching all of them, I Think.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The thing with this though, it's like I don't even dislike the Murakami bags. They just got so popular and they took on a meaning that was beyond its original intent. And for the Louis Vuitton artist collaborations, for me it's the Steven Sprouse one. Like if they reissued the original Stephen Sprouse stuff, not the neon, the original that I would buy. Or perhaps the psychedelic like Julie Verhoeven patchwork snail stuff, I would buy that too.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's funny. I wonder if it will get to that point. We're still in a self referential reissue model where it's like the most memeified version of Y2K fashion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And the Sprouse stuff kind of struck a nice balance.

[Lauren Garrone]

Balance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I think those bags, like the Murakami bags, are as iconic as some of the original Louis Vuitton bags now.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, we won't be purchasing this collaboration and might not be allowed in the Vuitton stores after this discourse. Speaking of things we will not be participating in Chell, did you get your hands on the Walmart Birkin?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God, yes. Guys, Walmart has been selling a $60 handbag which the Internet has dubbed the Workin. It has sold out online and people have thoughts. But what are your thoughts, Lauren?

[Lauren Garrone]

My thoughts about the first and foremost the discourse is it made me feel incredibly old because people were acting like this was the first time there's been a satirical fake Birkin. And these are people that were born after the era of Kitson.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I fucking hate a satirical fake Birkin. I really do. And you know what? I was thinking about this whole situation and I came to like an important realization for myself, which is that I actually never want to talk about Birkins ever again. I have nothing against the way that they look. It's not my taste, but I appreciate them from a design standpoint. What I don't like is talking about the resale market. I don't like talking about which celebrities have which sinister exotic skin Birkins. I don't want to talk about those, like NFT Birkins. I don't want to talk about the fake Birkins that have the Burger King logo on it. I hate all of that shit. I really hate all of that shit. And I truly think that using like the iconography of the Birkin or like, I don't know, like the Louis Vuitton logo as a way of sort of like satirizing luxury culture and like critiquing the 1% is like the lowest form of Conceptual art and design.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, also, I think what makes the Walmart Birkin unique and a little bit parallel to what you're talking about is it's not like a Chinatown dupe. Right. Because everyone calls it the Walmart Birkin.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Really? No one is trying to act like it's actually a Birkin. It's a workin. I. I guess.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But does it say workin on it? No, no, that would be funny.

[Lauren Garrone]

That would be funny.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It would fall into the category of bad art that I hate, but it funny.

[Lauren Garrone]

Here's my real issue is that this was a brief moment that we often have of, like, Internet mass hysteria where it's sold out because it was highlighted on TikTok and then people had to have it. But it's a joke, and it's being consumed as a joke. And I think that in two weeks, people are gonna stop wearing it and they're gonna throw it out or it's gonna end up in thrift stores, or it's at the back of their closet, and when they need to carry a bunch of stuff for, like, a picnic or a football game, they'll pull it out again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I think as soon as it was purchased, it went out of their heads as something that they would actually use.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, for sure. Like, what happened to all those Birkin tote bags from a few years ago?

[Lauren Garrone]

They're all in thrift stores, I'm sure.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm just so sick of it. Like, I just want all of it to stop. Riddle me this. If Birkins are so scarce, then how are they literally everywhere? Everywhere Online. And every time I leave the house.

[Lauren Garrone]

Every time you leave the house.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Maybe not every time I leave the house, but I'm seeing Birkins more than once a week. I'm seeing Birkins regularly.

[Lauren Garrone]

They've lost their meaning in multiple ways, in ways we've discussed and clearly are never going to discuss again. But we're cool with the Kelly bag, right?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Absolutely cool with the Kelly bag. The Internet has not yet globbed onto the Kelly bag to the degree that they've globbed onto the Birkin.

[Lauren Garrone]

And the real move is to have a destroyed Birkin or Kelly bag. Something you do want to discuss, I imagine, is the new skim store, which, sadly, is not in Los Angeles, but New York City. The skims flagship store.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, this is so crazy, truly, because it is the most lavish store. It resides at 647 Fifth Avenue in Midtown, which is right next to the Cartier store right by St. Patrick's Cathedral. If any New Yorkers need context, that's.

[Lauren Garrone]

Where my parents got married.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's cute.

[Lauren Garrone]

So I could say my parents got married next to the flagship skin store.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The Vanderbilt family used to live there. It used to be a private residence. And isn't that the story? It's like the perfect new money trajectory for this building. And in between then it was a Versace store and housed other businesses as well.

[Lauren Garrone]

To be fair, is Gloria Vanderbilt not the original model for Kim Kardashian's career?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know this is what I'm saying. I think there needs to be some if these walls could talk type show that's set in the like Vanderbilt era, the Gilded Age, essentially. Then it's goes to like whoever was running this Versace store in the 90s.

[Lauren Garrone]

Perhaps it was a Versace store before.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, love it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Present day Skims Chell.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think we could sell that limited series. I think Ryan Murphy's buying.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It really is the Gilded Age meets House of Versace meets the Kardashians. Literally. And of course there's a huge Vanessa Beecroft sculpture on the first floor. The interiors look gorgeous. Of course.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess here's my question. And anyone that has bought skims, this would be their question too. Can I try shit on in the store so I don't have to buy three separate sizes?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Of course. That's the point of the store. I'm sure we will get one here soon. Kim said in an interview that they've signed like over 20 leases on new spaces. I hope we get some insane tourist attraction in Hollywood or perhaps a little store in the Century City Mall or something would be convenient for me.

[Lauren Garrone]

How this is going. It's probably going to be on Rodeo Drive. I'm not going to make a special detour to go to this flagship skim store, but great that it exists. I imagine that that store is just packed with assistance for high net worth individuals.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. What did you think of Santa Baby though? While we're talking about Kim, she's not.

[Lauren Garrone]

Beating those Illuminati Satanism allegations. But this video, that was my first thought.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It is a deeply weird music video considering it is for a novelty holiday single by a celebrity that is not known for singing. No disrespect to Jam.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's very upsetting and weird even for me. And I know that the phrase Lynchian is an overused descriptor. But the Santa Baby video directed by her frequent collaborator Nadia Lee Cohen, it is giving later David lynch like I'm talking about Inland Empire twin Peaks, the Return, David Lynch.

[Chelsea Fairless]

To me, it felt more like, what if Harmony Korine made a Christmas film that had, like, elves smoking crack and stuff?

[Lauren Garrone]

What I wonder is. I'm sure you clocked what I imagine the overarching inspiration was the Calvin Klein basement tapes. The band Calvin Klein basement tapes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which we discussed, ironically during our Balenciaga ad controversy discussion.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that and the Fiona Apple criminal video, which was also based on that.

[Lauren Garrone]

I do wonder if Kim understands every reference in the music video. Not that she has to.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She does not have to. That's what you pay a creative director for.

[Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely. But the bizarre shot with the two older men rubbing a man in a reindeer costume, I assume is clearly a reference to the tuxedo man and the bear shot from the Shining.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

And it elicits the same uncomfortable feelings where you're like, I'm sorry, are they a throuple? Like in the Shining? To me, that's the most disturbing shot in the Shining where you're like, I'm sorry, was this old man in a tuxedo blowing this person in a bear costume? And then at the end of this music video, it has a bit of a smack my bitch up esque twist at the end, where Macaulay Culkin, you learn, is the one who's been holding the video camera the entire time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That was a great reveal.

[Lauren Garrone]

Sure, why not? I don't know how I'm supposed to have discourse for our pop culture podcast, because increasingly, as things get more and more insane, I'm just like, sure, why not?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about this too, actually. I wrote why not in my notes. Yeah. I admire Kim's willingness to try new and increasingly bizarre things. Our girl is never stagnant, and I think that's a good thing.

[Lauren Garrone]

And it's very clear that they work this around her schedule. Nadia Lee Cohen just shot everyone else out and then was like, kim, just writhe on the floor. Just give me five minutes of writhing on the floor and then I'll just, like, intercut it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, what else happened?

[Lauren Garrone]

Something interesting about having a pop culture podcast is I've noticed many people are like, talk about Luigi. When are you going to talk about Luigi? We need your thoughts about Luigi.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Thoughts on Luigi.

[Lauren Garrone]

Guys, he didn't wear Margiela to his first court appearance.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, he didn't. And I love the fact that the automatic, like, Twitter fact checking thing pops up when people share that photo of him. The doctored photo of him in the Margiela sweater.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, because someone doctored an image that put the Margiela sew in tag stitching that you would see from the outside onto a photo of him. What people are not talking enough about is the fact that he and his lawyer were matching. They were both in maroon sweaters.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved that.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, that's basically our thoughts about Luigi.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I mean, the Every Outfit podcast doesn't condone murder, but we also don't condone prioritizing corporate profits over people's lives. So there you go.

[Lauren Garrone]

And we don't condone saying that someone's wearing designer outfits when they're clearly not.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you know what? I also don't condone Margiela memes. No, I'm serious. We have to stop immediately. Before what has happened to Hermes happens to Margiela. It already is happening.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was about to say it's already.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Happening, but we thought that the Birkin discourse couldn't get crazier that it has. Like, what, 10 years ago? And now look at it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I keep thinking that the hype around Birkin's is gonna go away, and it just won't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And you know who we have to blame for that?

[Lauren Garrone]

Sex in the City and Kardashians.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's true, but they probably only learned about Birkins from Sex and the City.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, I'm just waiting for who do we think the Kardashian to wear Tabby's is gonna be? Is it Kylie?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to think about it. We have to move on.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I don't know why we chose to end this episode with bad news.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bad news only on every outfit, guys. The fashion world has lost some legends in recent weeks. Let's start with Rosita Mazzoni, the matriarch of the Mazoni Zigzag knitwear empire. She co founded Mazzoni in the 50s with her husband. She passed away at the age of 93. RIP to this Italian queen, when you.

[Lauren Garrone]

Get up to that age, it's like you've lived all of the life. Congrat.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And if you've ever seen a interview with this woman, you know how full of life she was. In addition to being a visionary textile designer and fashion designer and businesswoman.

[Lauren Garrone]

Really, I just wish Missoni was just, like, a little less expensive.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's not cheap, but we have to give them props for withstanding the tides of fashion for all of these years and not cleaving to, like, the most horrifying trends on the planet, like most other brands.

[Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely. And I Think that because of their unique knitwear and patterns, Missoni has sort of been Teflon against fast fashion because you can't easily recreate their pieces.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, you absolutely can't. And I also respect the fact that they have kept it as a family business, a multi generational family business for so long. Although the creative director currently is not a member of the family, although he's worked there since the 90s. Anywho, they actually just got rid of the guy that's been designing it for the last few years who I thought was good. But I guess they're trying to bring it back to their roots and I'm.

[Lauren Garrone]

Here for that also. Very chic towels.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I agree. Anyway, who else died? Jocelyn Wildenstein, the socialite and tabloid fixture has died of a pulmonary embolism at the age of 79, which is younger than a lot of people were reporting. There is some confusion in the media as to what her age actually was, but she was 79. And she is best known for her very forward thinking plastic surgery.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And being the former wife of a billionaire art collector, Alec Wildenstein.

[Lauren Garrone]

She did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She did the damn thing.

[Lauren Garrone]

She did carry the torch for the extreme plastic surgery that we were all going to get eventually.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's so funny because I was introduced to her via a Vanity Fair profile that appeared in the issue of Vanity Fair where Madonna revealed Lourdes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Those beautiful Mario Testino shots.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. And I remember seeing the photos of Jocelyn Wildenstein, which were very glamorous and sort of Helmut Newton esque, but I remember being so shocked by them at the time. I mean, I was also a kid. But it's so weird because now I leave my house and I see women like Jocelyn Wildenstein all the time. Like, yes, that is still extreme, like how she looked in the 90s, but it's not completely unheard of now.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know, it's hard to be a trendsetter. The first one through the door gets shot, as they say. And did she ever rip to that legend?

[Chelsea Fairless]

This one's very sad. The visionary fashion editor and stylist Polly Mellon died at a hundred years old. Truly the end of an era for the fashion industry. She was a protege of Diana Vreeland and worked with her at Harper's Bazaar and at Vogue. She is best known for her work with Richard Avedon styling, all of those amazing photographs that you can think of.

[Lauren Garrone]

She was also editor in chief for a long time of Velour magazine. Her reputation was fashion's cheerleader. If you watch videos of her, she's just so positive, so happy. No one had a bad word to say about her. A bit of an anti Anna Wintour, if you will.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know if no one had a bad word to say about her. I think she was very enthusiastic and she had that insane mid Atlantic accent. But she was rumored to be quite hard on her assistance. I mean, I think you and I both discovered her via the Isaac Mizrahi documentary Unzipped, which she plays a very major supporting role. And even in that clip, like, the way that she yells at Isaac for flipping through the Polaroids too fast, she's like, why are you going so fast? Like, I can only imagine how she would talk to an assistant, right, who.

[Lauren Garrone]

Brought only 12 pairs of heels instead of the 20 she requested.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like, no disrespect to Polly Melon, but I'm pretty sure she's one of those people that would just, like, scream at you and then be, like, completely fine, like, three minutes later.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, yeah. She'd be like, I love you, babe. You're doing a great job.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But, yeah, she was a very animated woman in general, I would say. And she truly loved fashion. It was not uncommon for her to cry at fashion shows or sort of clap in the way that you might clap at a children's birthday party at a fashion show.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. As Isaac Mizrahi said about her, she's never lost her enthusiasm in a field where everyone seems so jaded.

[Chelsea Fairless]

She was a true legend. And as we've been doing our live show, we've had this clip of Paulie Melon from the Unzipped documentary in the show, you know, for the last almost a year now. And, yeah, she passed away in between the Melbourne show and the Auckland show, as we learned.

[Lauren Garrone]

This clip that we wanted to include with Polly Melon requires a bit of context, but we love a phrase that she. She uses with Isaac Mizrahi when he's showing her his new collection, where she says repeatedly, fussy finished.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's just end the EP with that part of Unzipped.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, guys, we'll see you next week.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Bye.

[Unknown]

Why are you going so fast? Because I want to show you the highlights of the things. But actually, that is very good, I must tell you. That little chiffon dress with a sweater. Very good. Now, not fussy. No, never fussy. Fussy finished. Fussy finish. Too much jewelry. Mad wrong. Angelica Houston. Last night, she had that beautiful dress on and then these long earrings.

[Lauren Garrone]

No.