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- [00:04]
Chelsea Fairless
I spent $40,000 on shoes.
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Lauren Garoni
What's the matter, Morty?
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Unknown
Great gowns. Beautiful gowns.
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Lauren Garoni
Fashion has changed.
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Chelsea Fairless
No, it hasn't.
- [00:24]
Lauren Garoni
Hi, I'm Lauren Garoni.
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Chelsea Fairless
And I'm Chelsea Fairless. And welcome to the Every Outfit podcast. This has been the longest week imaginable, has it not?
- [00:33]
Lauren Garoni
It has indeed. I think we've lived several months just in this past week.
- [00:38]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, I feel like I was a different person when we recorded last week's episode.
- [00:42]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. Should we get into the circumstances of recording last week's episode? Because we were a tad cavalier when we recorded last Wednesday morning. Having lived in Los Angeles basically my entire life, there have been a lot of fires. You are used to the areas where these fires happen in. They do not interact with the city the way that this fire has.
- [01:06]
Chelsea Fairless
Yes, this fire was extra fucked.
- [01:08]
Lauren Garoni
And I even said Wednesday morning, I was like, unless a spontaneous fire starts in Laurel Canyon, like, I'm good. And then, lo and behold, a fire started in Runyon Canyon.
- [01:21]
Chelsea Fairless
Do we know how that one started, though?
- [01:23]
Lauren Garoni
We do not. I'm sure there's going to be many congressional hearings about this.
- [01:29]
Chelsea Fairless
Well, that one was extra because you actually were in an evacuation zone. You got the scary, like, Amber Alert text.
- [01:37]
Lauren Garoni
You and I were in a back and forth about if we even needed to re record our intro to our podcast. And as we were having this text exchange, I was seeing on my new favorite Twitter account, L A Scanner, that a fire had started at Runyon and then streets started to get closed off. That's when I freaked out. I didn't genuinely think it would get to where Paul and I live, but the idea of living in a hillside and everyone having to evacuate at once and the panic that that causes was like, okay, we got to go.
- [02:13]
Chelsea Fairless
No, of course. And that spooked me, too. I wasn't in an evacuation zone. I was in a red flag warning zone, because there's three levels, right, for people that don't live in Los Angeles, there's the red flag warning, there's the evacuation warning, which means pack your shit, be ready to go at a moment's notice. And then there's the mandatory evacuation, which is what Lauren got. But, you know, even with a red flag warning, I got spooked because the Palisades fire is on one side of me, then the Runyon fire on the other side of me. Then those random houses in Studio City just started burning, and I was like, I just need to be inland. So how long did it take you to get out of your house? Once you got the mandatory evacuation alert.
- [03:01]
Lauren Garoni
12 minutes.
- [03:02]
Chelsea Fairless
Wow.
- [03:03]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. So it's safe to say that I packed a random assortment of things. I did pack the important things that wasn't a joke in last week's episode. I did pack up the J.W. anderson pigeon bag, But I did forget the Every Outfit award. It was too heavy. It was gonna have to get lost.
- [03:22]
Chelsea Fairless
Lauren, do not take that. I can spend another hundred dollars@, like, promotionalawards.com to replace that.
- [03:31]
Lauren Garoni
I didn't take my wedding dress, but I took Paul's tabbies that he wore to. To our wedding.
- [03:37]
Chelsea Fairless
But it's crazy what your brain does in that situation, because when I got to the point where I was like, I just want to get out of here now, I grabbed really random shit, too. You know, A portrait of my dog, my dog's ashes, Isabelle Uper's seat card, that tat retrieved from the Balenciaga couture show, that hoodie that Steven made me for my 40th. Just, like, the most random stuff. I didn't really take any clothes.
- [04:06]
Lauren Garoni
I will say I did have the presence of mind to grab our podcast hard drives. So the drives that have every episode of our podcast. This is the Rosetta Stone.
- [04:17]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, my God. But it's weird because when you're in a situation like that, I almost got, like, conflicting spiritual messages, because on one hand, you realize, like, the only thing that really matters is our physical safety, right? Am I okay? Is my family okay?
- [04:34]
Unknown
Is.
- [04:34]
Chelsea Fairless
Is my dog okay? That's number one. And then you kind of realize that the things you actually do care about are the things that are sort of imbued with either, like, your personal history or things that remind you of someone else. And then the third wave of that is the realization, like, fuck. Like, what if I lost all of this stuff? It's so fucking heartbreaking.
- [04:57]
Lauren Garoni
We're not really suited for this kind of crisis because when we try to be genuine with our monotone voices, I fear it doesn't come off.
- [05:05]
Chelsea Fairless
That definitely doesn't come off that way. And obviously, with the podcast, we're always trying to distract people and not get into the hard issues and not get into our feelings and stuff like that. But it's hard not to feel despair on some level.
- [05:20]
Lauren Garoni
But then there are also these micro moments that I don't know if they're breaking containment outside of Los Angeles that are just bizarrely funny. Like, I don't know if you saw the clip of Dennis Quaid discussing that his agent lost both his houses, and I was like, not now, Dennis. Did you have to say he lost both his houses?
- [05:41]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah. That's bad. Although we got a heroic moment from Steve Guttenberg, who helped people escape the Palisades fire, which is really cool. I've always fucked with him, obviously because of three men and a baby. So good for him.
- [05:56]
Lauren Garoni
Should we talk about our new favorite app, move over TikTok, because we're. Everyone in LA is obsessed with an app called WatchDuty.
- [06:05]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, I think I've spent more time on WatchDuty than Instagram this week.
- [06:09]
Lauren Garoni
So for people who are unaware of what this app is, it is a user generated app that in real time updates a map of California with the fires. And the fact that this isn't funded by our government, that it is just a person sitting in their underwear for all we know. That is just like living off Red Bull and monster energy drinks. Updating in real time where these fires are, how they're growing is astonishing.
- [06:38]
Chelsea Fairless
Well, thank God for him. I'm glad someone is trying to manage this situation because. And you experienced this too. So when I did get to the Holiday Inn, I then got two evacuation notices that were fake from the city, essentially.
- [06:57]
Lauren Garoni
Right. There's always that joke that it's an intern, like some intern's about to get fired. But we learned in a press conference that there is no one person who pressed the wrong button and sent this out. They don't know how it happened.
- [07:13]
Chelsea Fairless
Which is like, can there be a human being overseeing this process before they send Amber Alerts? Not Amber Alerts, but you know what I mean, to like half of Los Angeles.
- [07:24]
Lauren Garoni
Absolutely. Well, we should say that you did actually end up at the same hotel in Long beach that I was at.
- [07:31]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, well, I was like, I have to get out of this Holiday Inn. I'm just gonna go home and do a better job of packing and wait there until I get like the full evacuation warning. Then the Palisades fire started moving towards Brentwood. Brentwood got evacuated and there is basically like an evacuation warning that was like maybe like four blocks away from my house. And where I live is in a very like wooded area. I live off of a windy two lane street. It's really not the place you would want to be stuck in the event of a fire or an evacuation. So I was like, fuck it, I'm joining Lauren in Long Beach. Although that time I did a better job of packing because I had a few hours at home and I did rescue our Smith Jarrod poster. Guys, you don't know about this, but maybe like three Years ago. Four years ago, Lord. And I bought this massive poster of Smith Jarrett, and it's the Absolute Hunk ad, but we are going to frame it and hang it in our new office. And yeah, I felt good about saving that, but I'm glad that our stays overlapped that one night. And then you and Paul went back to your house and I went to Joshua Tree, where I am now.
- [09:01]
Lauren Garoni
That's right. Guys, I don't know if you can tell, but we are recording remotely. And if you couldn't tell until we told you, then hallelujah. Because we've been trying to figure out how to record remotely since we began the podcast.
- [09:15]
Chelsea Fairless
Well, it's hard also when you're at the mercy of an Airbnb and Joshua Trees. WI fi. Like, you really never know. But this Airbnb came through. But I just love it so much out here. This is also where I came in the beginning of the pandemic. So I guess this is just my, like, apocalypse refuge.
- [09:34]
Lauren Garoni
I have never watched so much local news in my life. At a certain point, it felt like they were making up newscasters. Like, I feel like if you and I had gone down to ktla, we could have gone on air.
- [09:50]
Chelsea Fairless
Okay. But one thing I've learned is that, like, a lot of our newscasters are really, really hot. Like, I am obsessed with Courtney from ktla. She's kind of giving Vanna White. She's kind of giving Selling Sunset like Mar a Lago, but I'm into it.
- [10:09]
Lauren Garoni
Oh, they all have the same look. It feels like they were made in a factory.
- [10:13]
Chelsea Fairless
Can we also talk about the lesbian fire chiefs? Because I don't know if this has really spread outside of Los Angeles so much, but I just want our listeners to know that the three women that are basically running the fire department in Los Angeles are all lesbians, and they're all named Kristen or Christina. I really need a 90s style sitcom about these women's lives and, like, all of their partners. And I really think it could be called, like, Kristen, Kristen and Christine. It's kind of giving, like, Zoe, Duncan, Jack and Jane energy.
- [10:52]
Lauren Garoni
The Daily show on Monday with Jon Stewart hosting did a great bit about this and pulled Megyn Kelly talking about this very fact, and she's just, like, so irate. She's like, Kristen, Christina, Christine, lesbian, lesbian, lesbian. And frankly, I think that's maybe what the sitcom could be called.
- [11:11]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, that would be good, too.
- [11:13]
Lauren Garoni
Never did I think that the most sane voice in this media storm would be Jason Oppenheim. One of the Oppenheim brothers from selling Sunset. I'm not even joking.
- [11:24]
Chelsea Fairless
What did he say?
- [11:25]
Lauren Garoni
He's been on CNBC for, like, five days straight. He was the first person to raise the flag about price gouging with rent. He's working with the DA to stop landlords from doing that. He's been monitoring the MLS and reporting on price gouging. He's offered his services for free.
- [11:45]
Chelsea Fairless
I love him. I saw him at great white the other day.
- [11:48]
Lauren Garoni
In this clusterfuck, we've had to find some light. Never leave a good crisis go to waste. And I think Spencer Pratt has taken that to heart. Not since 2006 have I thought about Heider, Heidi and Spencer.
- [12:05]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, same. Although I do respect them for their place in culture, and I suppose they are pioneering reality stars in a lot of ways.
- [12:14]
Lauren Garoni
All of that appearing on random European reality shows and debasing themselves for us weekly photo shoots led to them buying this home in the Palisades that burned down.
- [12:27]
Chelsea Fairless
And now Spencer Pratt is making, like, the best TikTok content. And I guess I'm obsessed with him now. Like, how did that happen? I think it's fucked up how cruel people have been to them. Like, oh, they're. They're rich. They'll rebuild, you know, whatever. And I think that people are really overestimating the wealth of certain celebrities.
- [12:50]
Lauren Garoni
A lot of people's net worth are. Are tied to their homes, for sure.
- [12:55]
Chelsea Fairless
I don't know if you've ever seen photos of Heidi and Spencer's house before it burnt down, but they have these massive, like, Martin Scholler portraits of themselves, like, macro portraits of themselves in that house. And I'm sad that those are gone. Oh, my God. Sorry. Tat just said that Martin Schuller is reprinting them for Heidi and Spencer and giving it to them.
- [13:24]
Lauren Garoni
This is also going to have unintended consequences to the Los Angeles economy. I mean, it's already reverberating. I saw a TikTok of a woman who's a server who's like, look, we live on tips, and I work at a hotspot that is always packed, even on a weekday night, and we're half filled. It might seem cavalier and silly to be going out to restaurants at this time, but life needs to carry on, or I think it's going to be even more devastating.
- [13:56]
Chelsea Fairless
It's so true.
- [13:57]
Lauren Garoni
Speaking of which, have you seen the rumors that we might not be having the Oscars this year?
- [14:03]
Chelsea Fairless
I have. No one loves the Oscars more than people that live in Los Angeles. Don't take that from us as well. We've already had to deal with the postponement of whatever the fuck Beyonce was going to announce. What I hope they don't do is decide to hold it in some random train station like they did in the Pandemic.
- [14:24]
Lauren Garoni
Oh, God. That Covid year where the producers were so convinced that Chadwick Boseman was going to win a posthumous Oscar that for the first time ever, they moved the best actor to the last award of the night and he didn't win. Anthony Hopkins won and he wasn't even there.
- [14:45]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, that was bad.
- [14:46]
Lauren Garoni
Well, I'm sure people would love for us to move on and talk about something else, but I do want to touch down on something personal that's happening to you because you've been going through it yourself. Obviously there are other things going on in the world, but I want to check in on how you're personally feeling.
- [15:04]
Chelsea Fairless
Sure. So basically, guys, that horrible stomach virus that I had on the plane coming back from Australia, I never really recovered from that. My body never recovered. My stomach has been upset for like weeks now, basically, and I've been trying to do everything I can to fix it. So first I went on the Brat diet, which is the opposite of Charlie XCX's definition of brat. The brat diet is an acronym for bananas, rice, applesauce and toast. And that's what I was eating like when I was in the Holiday Inn. That was awful, honestly. And it didn't work. It actually got worse after the Brat Diet. So now basically, Tat's been like cooking all this food for me. Now I'm basically just not eating processed foods and I'm eating very small quantities of food. I can't drink coffee, I can't drink alcohol. And having to go on like an involuntary, like crash diet slash dry January during this anxiety inducing catastrophe has been just not my favorite.
- [16:21]
Lauren Garoni
You're sort of non consensually in your goop era. Have you even been able to have your beloved Diet Coke?
- [16:29]
Chelsea Fairless
I can't have anything carbonated. I literally just drink water and tea.
- [16:34]
Lauren Garoni
And guys, you have to understand, for Chelsea, there's nothing worse to her than actual water.
- [16:40]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, I know. I hate drinking water.
- [16:50]
Lauren Garoni
Lest you guys think that we are complete vapid, we do want to give back to our community. And Chelsea, would you like to tell the what we plan to do if.
- [17:02]
Chelsea Fairless
You buy anything from our store this week? Any every outfit merch. A hundred percent of the proceeds will be split between two really wonderful nonprofits. Firstly, the anti recidivism Coalition's Firefighter Fund. This supports the immediate needs for the incarcerated firefighters that are saving our city gives them meals, hygiene supplies, clothing and equipment, as well as scholarship funds for when they are released. We will also be supporting Pasadena Humane, which is an animal shelter that has rescued hundreds of animals from the Eaton fire. A lot of these animals have injuries. They're animals that were either lost during the fire or perhaps left behind by their owners. So we want to do everything that we can to make sure they return to loving homes. So now is the time to buy merch if you've had your eye on anything. We have Fuckette hats. We have J'adore Dyke's tees. We even have some Don't Hate Me tees leftover from our Australian tour. So do your thing.
- [18:17]
Lauren Garoni
Okay, shall we get back to our regularly scheduled bullshittery? We have some Sex in the City news.
- [18:24]
Chelsea Fairless
Lay it on me.
- [18:25]
Lauren Garoni
So the Are you a Charlotte podcast premiered. Did you listen to the episode?
- [18:30]
Chelsea Fairless
Of course I listened on my drive to JTree. This is Kristen Davis new podcast. It is about sex and the city, as you can imagine, and it's a solo podcast. Or at least the first episode is. I think she's going to have more guests on in the future. But the first episode is basically her just talking about auditioning for and shooting the pilot episode.
- [18:56]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. And again with our monotone voices. I hope this does not come off insincere. I mean, this quite genuinely, doing a solo podcast is not for the week. I could never do a solo podcast. I need someone's energy to bounce off of. So kudos to her for just monologuing for an hour and a lot of very interesting anecdotes in this first episode.
- [19:22]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, I loved how she revealed that Carrie was initially described to her as someone with the body of Heather Locke in the mind of Dorothy Parker, which describes Candace Bushnell to a T. It's.
- [19:38]
Lauren Garoni
Especially funny when you think about the fact that Darren Starr wrote the pilot. Darren Starr created Melrose Place. Kristen got into a backstory I've always been interested in as someone that knows her as Brooke from Melrose Place, how she went from being this, and I mean this in complimentary, a psychotic bitch on Melrose plays to the character of Charlotte. I always thought Darren Starr must have thought of her for Charlotte, but we learn in the podcast that actually he was like, you should audition for Carrie. And she read the role and she read that description. She went, that's not me. What about this Charlotte person over here?
- [20:18]
Chelsea Fairless
I also love that she Described how up the contracts were like, basically when she was shooting the pilot, they were like, okay, and now you have to agree to do this show for the next seven years at this, I assume, extremely fucked up rate.
- [20:36]
Lauren Garoni
When they were shooting the pilot, someone knocked on her trailer and it was a new contract that said you would be working for $5,000 an episode. She also discusses which I've always wondered about Charlotte's Bob that she has in the pilot episode that she would never have again, as we learn. Inspired by Jill Hennessy.
- [20:59]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, they made her cut her hair, but like, I guess the onset hairstylist was kind of like fucked and she didn't trust him, so she just went to some random salon and that's what they did to her. But I have always wondered why her hair was like that in the pilot.
- [21:16]
Lauren Garoni
I do love that Kristen's own approximation of herself as Charlotte compared to the other actresses was that she seems like the only person who doesn't actually live in New York.
- [21:28]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, I can kind of see that, I guess. That was so sad though, that part where she started crying, talking about Willie Garson.
- [21:38]
Lauren Garoni
Willie was the first person that she saw in the audition room. And it seems like quite a grueling audition. She and Willie Garson essentially sat there all day while they waited to test, watched other people who were testing for their roles go in, come back out, retest. And the note that she kept getting was, you need to be funnier.
- [22:00]
Chelsea Fairless
But she was doing like the scene on the Met steps with the guy, right? Like, that's not even a funny scene.
- [22:07]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah, I mean, what is she supposed to throw in a wacky face?
- [22:10]
Chelsea Fairless
Anyway, congrats to Kristin on the pod. We will be listening.
- [22:15]
Lauren Garoni
Another thing that popped up on our feeds that has been an endless source of fascination to us for years is what we'll now call Carrie brownstone Gate. And this has to do with the people that own the brownstone that they shoot as Carrie's exterior. I believe. On our last hotline episode, we discussed the gossip that someone gave to us that the people that own this brownstone basically said to the production, you cannot shoot here anymore. Which is would explain why Carrie moved out of her brownstone to move back in to move back out again. It seems that they are now petitioning the city to be able to put a wrought iron gate at the steps of their brownstone to stop people from coming and taking photos and as they say, carving their initials into their wooden doors.
- [23:11]
Chelsea Fairless
So fucked up. So the woman that lives there's name is Barbara Lorber. And she, I guess, made an in person appeal to the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission to get this gate built. She also wrote a letter to them basically explaining the situation and why she needs this wrought iron gate on her house. And I did not realize that this woman has lived there since before Sex in the City. And in this letter she says that the only reason why she allowed Sex in the City to be filmed there to begin with is because a location scout who is a recent graduate from NYU basically came to her and was like, if I cannot secure this location, I'm going to lose my job. So she felt sorry for him, said, yes, of course, not knowing how popular Sex and the City would become and the fact that she would be haunted by this decision for decades to come. And now I feel horrible for her because we always assumed that someone bought it afterwards.
- [24:22]
Lauren Garoni
I love that she has to give context to how popular the show is, which should tell you how draconian, I guess, West Village housing laws are. Because she goes on to say, like, this is a worldwide phenomenon. It has been translated in 34 languages.
- [24:39]
Chelsea Fairless
I can't even imagine the shit that she sees. And honestly, if I couldn't, like, walk to my door with my, like, Trader Joe's groceries without, like, some bitch, like, making tiktoks on my stairs, I would go crazy too.
- [24:53]
Lauren Garoni
I do enjoy that she spells TikTok like tic tac toe with a C instead of a K. I feel like.
- [24:59]
Chelsea Fairless
Max should just make her an offer that she can't refuse and end this once and for all. The property would be extremely valuable anyway. It has to be more valuable because of Sex in the City. And you would think that maybe just some celebrity would want to buy it, but obviously they wouldn't want the fans that come with it.
- [25:19]
Lauren Garoni
We've seen and we've discussed on the podcast during the day how many people come by and take photos. But in her letter, what I didn't realize is after dark, when people have had a few drinks, because there is a chain up that people just climb over that chain. They try to get into the house, they ring doorbells, they knock on the door. I mean, it's a straight up horror film. Once the sun goes down.
- [25:43]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, what a nightmare.
- [25:44]
Lauren Garoni
I hope this woman gets her gate.
- [25:46]
Chelsea Fairless
They did approve the gate, but not the initial design. They opposed some sort of arch that was part of the design. Anyway, what else? We have some hotline calls.
- [25:59]
Lauren Garoni
We do have some hotline calls. Speaking of Sex in the City, we got this call. Jill.
- [26:03]
Chelsea Fairless
Hi, Lauren and Chelsea I always wondered.
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Unknown
Why Sex in the City chose to.
- [26:09]
Chelsea Fairless
Kind of ignore the events of 9 11, which I know is a very obviously dark event, but then chose to head on, address the COVID 19 pandemic.
- [26:20]
Unknown
It felt like they thought they had to somehow, for some reason, in Just.
- [26:25]
Chelsea Fairless
Like that, but they really ignored 9 11.
- [26:28]
Unknown
Just sort of wondering what your thoughts on that may be. And it always struck me as odd. All right, love you ladies.
- [26:33]
Chelsea Fairless
Love the podcast. My guess is that they didn't address 911 on sex and the City because it was simply too depressing. And I don't think they were interested in making a show that really tackled the unique horrors of being a New Yorker in 2001.
- [26:50]
Lauren Garoni
The irony of the season finale of season four, I Heart NY, is that it feels like it's a nod to the events of September 11, but it was actually written, shot, and in the editing phase when the attacks happened. It's just this bizarre parallel knowing that if they had dealt with the events of 9 11, it would have been in season five. And that season was dark enough.
- [27:20]
Chelsea Fairless
They didn't directly acknowledge it, but the one sort of passing acknowledgment was in the episode where Samantha and Carrie go to San Francisco, where Carrie says, I don't like the tsa, like, going through my bags.
- [27:36]
Lauren Garoni
It wasn't just Sex and the City. Friends did this as well. It was a very interesting kind of silent decision made by many television shows that they were not going to do a, you know, a very special episode that dealt with the events of 9 11. But there were nods in subtle ways. Right. Joey wears an FDNY hat in one of the Friends episodes. But the other part of this question is, like, why did they ignore 911 and why did they deal with COVID I think because. And just like that came out in 2021, that it was so recent, after the pandemic, they had no choice but to acknowledge it. But I think if the show had premiered in 2022, they would have just glossed over it because I think as a culture, we don't want that. I don't want Covid acknowledged in my media.
- [28:28]
Chelsea Fairless
No. But also. And just like that has an opposite thought process of Sex and the City because they do want to tackle hard issues. They don't want to create a show that is an escapist fantasy, but it's hard because they kind of want to toe the line between those two worlds. Right. And that's the tension of the series. We get Carrie going to the Met gala, and on the Other hand, we have Big dying ltw's miscarriage, Aiden's crazy ass son eating too many magic mushrooms, that kind of stuff.
- [29:05]
Unknown
Hey, slugs, it's Mary here. I was just thinking as I listened to your Sex and the City movie recap podcast, do you think Mr. Big knows Jeffrey Epstein? I mean, he must, right? All right, thanks.
- [29:18]
Chelsea Fairless
Of course Mr. Big knows Jeffrey Epstein. I don't think he's gone to the island. But more alarmingly, I think that Samantha might be friends with Ghislaine Maxwell.
- [29:29]
Lauren Garoni
Oh, well, I have a theory. I think Annabelle Bronstein is the alias of Ghislaine Maxwell.
- [29:37]
Chelsea Fairless
Could be. Look, I think that Big is ultimately a moral person, but when you have the job that he does, you have to meet some pretty sinister characters. That's just part of it.
- [29:52]
Lauren Garoni
Big goes where the business is. Carrie's like, wait, how do you know Bill Gates? John?
- [29:59]
Chelsea Fairless
You know, that would really complicate Carrie's like, grief recovery. It's like if Big is named is like one of the people on Epstein's jet, like after his death. And she thought the pink Perry punch card was confusing.
- [30:14]
Unknown
So I'm watching Friends and I can't help but wonder, who do you think the four girls would date in the Friends world? Because ideally they're in New York the same time Sex and City is going on. They're a little bit younger, but I wonder if it would ever cross over. I know Kristen Davis was on and dated Joey and was like a psycho about it, but yeah, just wondering your thoughts.
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Lauren Garoni
There are four girls and three guys, but I think we could safely say it's Samantha and Joey. Right? Joey is absolutely Samantha's type. I know the show's existing at the same time. I can tell you Samantha smashed Joey.
- [30:49]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, for sure. The underemployed actor thing would be a little bit of a turnoff, but not enough to stop her because that's basically Smith Jared. Also right on. Sex and the City. Also, I'm gonna say Chandler and Charlotte because Charlotte is not unlike Monica and Chandler and Miranda would be way too much. Also Chandler and Carrie would have that like, really sick, like, burger Carrie dynamic that we want to avoid.
- [31:19]
Lauren Garoni
Here's my pitch for Chandler and Carrie because Chandler did date Janice and he married Monica so he can handle a high maintenance woman. We don't know Chandler's job for most of the show. He too is a vague finance guy like Mr. Big.
- [31:35]
Chelsea Fairless
I think Chandler and Charlotte could be good for each other because he is so pessimistic and she is so optimistic.
- [31:43]
Lauren Garoni
See, I had Charlotte and Ross.
- [31:45]
Chelsea Fairless
No, Lauren, it's Ross and Miranda. Think about it really like Steve Ross is a good kind of nerdy guy. Also, Ross already married a lesbian before. So it makes sense that he would be into Miranda because he's like into that kind of woman and some guys just are. I think that would be very sweet if Miranda and Ross dated in my my version of this sort of Jetsons meets the Flintstones dating situation. I think Carrie is the odd one out.
- [32:21]
Lauren Garoni
My initial impulse was I could see Carrie dating. Remember when Bruce Willis guest starred because he was the father of Ross's college age girlfriend? Yes, I could see Carrie dating him.
- [32:33]
Chelsea Fairless
Or Tom Selleck. Didn't he date Monica for a minute?
- [32:36]
Lauren Garoni
Indeed, indeed. Yes. He's given Mr. Big vibes.
- [32:40]
Unknown
Guys, I'm just here lying in bed and I decided to call in and ask you, what do you think about Nara Smith?
- [32:52]
Chelsea Fairless
This is one of the better voicemails we've ever gotten, I think for its humor and its brevity.
- [33:00]
Lauren Garoni
Thank you caller for doing your voicemail in Nara Smith's voice. At least I hope you're trying to do a Nara Smith voice.
- [33:07]
Chelsea Fairless
Guys, if you don't know who Nara Smith is, this woman wasn't just impersonating Lauren and I. There is someone with an even spookier voice out there and her name is Nara Smith.
- [33:19]
Lauren Garoni
But Chell, that voice that she does in her TikTok videos is a total put on because there's a Harper's Bazaar video with her actual voice and I wouldn't say it's wildly different, but she does code switch in a Paris Hilton way for sure.
- [33:36]
Chelsea Fairless
It's giving Elizabeth Holmes.
- [33:38]
Lauren Garoni
I love the schtick because it's performance art and people don't really get that because no one is realistically making their own sunscreen or cereal from scratch.
- [33:50]
Chelsea Fairless
I love it. I'm not like the biggest Stan. I'm not consuming all of her content, but I have definitely been mesmerized by it. I love that her voice sounds like Lurch from the Addams Family. But she looks like, I mean she's absolutely gorgeous. I love the way that she dresses. Although it stresses me out to see her like cooking pasta in some like satin Rodarte slip dress or something.
- [34:15]
Lauren Garoni
If you've been living under a rock and you don't know who Nara Smith is, she is a model who cosplays as a trad wife but she's really a content creator. But the idea is all of her videos are these elaborate how how to make Food or home objects like sunscreen. But you would never do it. It's not like she publishes these recipes and they all take six hours.
- [34:42]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah.
- [34:42]
Lauren Garoni
So she's married to the model Lucky Blue Smith. And I saw this tweet and I now can't unsee this. The tweet said her and her husband look like 1940s nuclear test dummies.
- [34:56]
Chelsea Fairless
Not wrong.
- [34:57]
Lauren Garoni
And I now can't unsee this.
- [34:59]
Chelsea Fairless
They're cool. I'm into them.
- [35:01]
Lauren Garoni
Okay, next call.
- [35:02]
Unknown
Hi, Big fan of the show and long term listener, caller, etc. I have a question for you. So I listened to your Chloe Sevigne episode. I read the profile, I followed her for a long time. And then I was at a party last night and she was there with her husband. And it was at this ridiculous apartment filled with Duchamps and princes and Judds, or at least one of each. And I found that I had nothing to say to Chloe. I didn't talk to her. We smiled at each other. But I was wondering if you were at a party with Chloe 70, if any of the Fuckettes are. What do you think is a good sort of way into the conversation with her or something to ask her? Because I know so much about her and yet I had nothing to say. Thanks. Bye.
- [35:41]
Chelsea Fairless
I too have seen Chloe 70 at various parties over the years. And I never ever talk to her. I know too much about her. I would feel like a stalker. And I don't usually talk to celebrities unless I'm introduced to them or I'm like in a situation with them. Like they're sitting next to me at a restaurant or we're in an elevator or a line or something.
- [36:07]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. There is something to knowing too much about someone that the pendulum actually swings the other way and it just makes it impossible to ever have a conversation with them.
- [36:18]
Chelsea Fairless
But if you were to have a conversation with Chloe Sevigny, I guess I'd try and talk to her about something a bit more obscure, like maybe some of the short films that she's directed, which we've actually seen.
- [36:30]
Lauren Garoni
I started to think of proms, but everything I came up with sounded so dumb. I mean, this fuckette talks about this fabulous apartment that had Duchamp's and Donald Judd's in them. So maybe I would have approached and been like, do you think this Donald Judd is real? Did you hear about the Judd foundation suing Kim Kardashian for having a fake Donald Judd table?
- [36:54]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, that's good. I like that. Lauren. What? I really want to talk to her. About? I'm like, what are like the last 50 things you've bought? Just tell me. Or better yet, make a spreadsheet with links.
- [37:05]
Lauren Garoni
Which by the way, I'm sure is the last thing she wants to talk about.
- [37:09]
Unknown
Hi Lauren, Chelsea, longtime listener, also hot.
- [37:13]
Chelsea Fairless
Rich.
- [37:14]
Unknown
Second random question for you. I know it comes up quite often on the pod. We talk about your fun celebrity sightings at random hotspots in la, memberships, clubs and things. I'm super curious where you stand on membership clubs in general. I feel like more and more are popping up every year. Are they outdated? Are we channeling our Annabelle Bronson this summer and joining anything? Interested to know what you think because you both are very chic and you have good days.
- [37:46]
Lauren Garoni
So I edited this call down, but the caller references the Sam Vicente Bungalows, which is opening in New York. How she was a member of Soho House, but that isn't the vibe anymore. And you know, Chell, there's been a lot of talk of losing the third place places for people to socialize that aren't bars and restaurants. And it makes sense that in our late stage capitalist society, third places have become expensive members only clubs.
- [38:13]
Chelsea Fairless
My thought is why not? If people want to join these clubs, they can. Also a lot of people I know that are members of Soho House presently, they more use it as a co working space. That's also a big function of some of these spaces. Not all. Like you wouldn't really go to San Vicente Bungalows to work. Maybe you'd have a coffee and sit on your laptop for a minute. But it's not really set up for that sort of thing. Whereas like I was a member of the Wing and while that was a members only club, it was more of a co working space. So I think for independent contractors, sensitive, so many of us are now it makes more sense than ever.
- [38:54]
Lauren Garoni
Where would you join?
- [38:55]
Chelsea Fairless
I don't know. Like I like San Vicente Bungalows. I have friends that are members. But you're basically a member to go to a restaurant. Although I see how these clubs can really be about networking. And I think that San Vicente Bungalows, also known as svb, is an example of that. But there's also the Justin Bieber one, the. What is it called? The Bird Streets.
- [39:21]
Lauren Garoni
It's on Sunset. It doesn't look very good. It's just. It's up the street from Prince Street Pizza.
- [39:27]
Chelsea Fairless
Actually that one I've never been to. And if anyone listening is a member, can you take us? I want to see it. I want to see Justin Bieber Well.
- [39:35]
Lauren Garoni
I love how this fuck out is like, you guys are cool, you're in the know. We don't actually belong to any of these members only clubs.
- [39:43]
Chelsea Fairless
I also love the fact that a lot of these clubs, they really want their members to have privacy. So the whole thing is you can't take photos in there, which I think is nice. It's nice to be in an environment where people aren't constantly photographing shit, especially in LA. Okay, next question was actually submitted via Instagram DMs, but I'm very excited to talk about this. Thoughts on Jeremiah Brent on the new season of Queer Eye. Lauren.
- [40:15]
Lauren Garoni
Love him. I mean, I've loved him since the Rachel Zo days when he started as Rachel Zoe stylist, but had a passion for interior design and redecorated her home while she was having her first or second child.
- [40:30]
Chelsea Fairless
See, I completely forget him from the Rachel Zoe era. I think I only watched the first couple of seasons, seasons of that show. Honestly, that show, like, stressed me out. I think when it was first on. I need to revisit it, I think. But I think he's a genius addition to the cast. He actually makes more sense than Bobby within this particular group of people. Bobby's energy was not of the sort of like, extroverted, like, instagay variety, whereas Jeremiah, I feel like, can more like fit in with them.
- [41:06]
Lauren Garoni
He is of reality television. And then he married a fellow TV interior designer, gay, in Nate Berkus.
- [41:16]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, wait, what? He married Nate Berkus?
- [41:20]
Lauren Garoni
Yes.
- [41:21]
Chelsea Fairless
I had no idea. God, I was just thinking about Nate Berkus because it was like the 25th anniversary of like, that whole horrible tsunami where he lost his previous partner.
- [41:31]
Lauren Garoni
The 20th anniversary.
- [41:33]
Chelsea Fairless
But yes, okay, 20th anniversary. I'm sorry. I read all about it in that issue of People with Jon Bidet Ramsey on the COVID that I bought at the airport.
- [41:42]
Lauren Garoni
Well, they've been married since 2014. They have two children and fabulous homes.
- [41:48]
Chelsea Fairless
That's really, really cute. And honestly, I am so grateful to the Fab Five this week because, like, this is the only show that, like, doesn't make me feel like shit. I'm sure there are gay male listeners of ours that maybe don't feel the same way or might be a little bit triggered by it. But, like, I don't know, I think it's really wholesome. I do wish Tan France was better at dressing people, though. He has, like, one of the best personalities, I think.
- [42:19]
Lauren Garoni
Right.
- [42:20]
Chelsea Fairless
But like, some of the outfits he puts people in, I'm like, how I.
- [42:24]
Lauren Garoni
Did Enjoy the first episode, which deals with a woman who was a showgirl, that he actually designed pieces for her.
- [42:33]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, no, that was cool. But, yeah, I would recommend this season. Also, Dita Von Teese is in the first episode of this season. Most importantly, yes.
- [42:43]
Lauren Garoni
The Jubilee Theater, where we saw her perform last May, plays a prominent role in the first episode.
- [42:51]
Chelsea Fairless
Also, the Fab Five. Like, I don't think they actually stayed there, but they certainly shot parts of this episode in the crazy, like, I think, Caesar's palace suite. That was in Anora, right?
- [43:03]
Lauren Garoni
Yes.
- [43:04]
Chelsea Fairless
So, yeah, go off. Jeremiah, love you.
- [43:06]
Lauren Garoni
You're gonna go down a total rabbit hole now that you know that he's married to Nate Burkus. You must have missed their Architectural Digest cover together.
- [43:14]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, he was that guy. Okay. I knew of him separately, like, as an interior designer, not because of Rachel Zo, but because he's one of those random interior designers that I just follow on Instagram for whatever reason.
- [43:30]
Unknown
Hey, guys, this is Lauren in Oklahoma City. I just read your polyester interview, and you guys talked about men's fashion, and I was just wanting to know, who do you think are considered the most stylish? Men. Anyway, bye.
- [43:46]
Chelsea Fairless
You go.
- [43:47]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. My mind goes a little blank. I don't remember us talking about male fashion in our polyester interview, but the first person that comes to mind if we're talking about contemporary style. And, like, with women's fashion, everyone has a stylist, so it's never been easier to look good and look like you have style. But I think someone that genuinely has excellent personal style is Donald Glover, for sure. I think he's someone that takes risks. He has a point of view. And I mean, everyone else that I thought of, like, there's a lot of guys that look good. Oscar Isaacs, Austin Butler, Timothy Chalamet. But they all have stylists.
- [44:27]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, Jacob Elordi also beat in that category, although I think he's probably the best of that group. My first thought when I heard this question was Mickey Rourke. He has his own sense of style. Like, he has a very specific silhouette, and it's definitely not inspired by anything that is happening in fashion today. It's his own look that he's cultivated over the years, and I respect him for that. It's also very Los Angeles, but I think that the most stylish men are all fashion designers. I think that Stefano Pilates has amazing style. I follow him on Instagram, and I always love what he wears.
- [45:08]
Lauren Garoni
Where is he now?
- [45:10]
Chelsea Fairless
I think he had his own line for a Minute, but I don't know if that's still happening. But he does post cute fit pics. I also like Rick Owens because he has a uniform that he also designed, which I feel like is the most amazing thing. And of course, Marc Jacobs. He isn't someone like Rick Owens who's, like, created his own personal uniform for himself. He's clearly such a fan of fashion and other designers work, and I love how eclectic his fashion sense is. I love that he's wearing, like, Chanel women's suits and then, like, bespoke huntsman suits and Balenciaga. And he's always been so obsessed with Prada, and I think that's cool. We never know what to expect from Mark. Also, that time he wore Comme des Garcon to the Met Gala. Like, that lace dress, that was one of the best Met Gala looks ever, I think.
- [46:11]
Lauren Garoni
Do you still maintain that a man has never looked better than Jason Siegel in I love you, Man?
- [46:17]
Chelsea Fairless
I do. Jason Siegel. Specifically the part where he wears shorts and Uggs on the beach when he's walking his dog. I maintain. I. I do think that he has incredible style. I love guys that sort of dress in a stoner ish way. That also applies to, like, a Al Pacino Serpico, which. How has this come up twice in, like, this month? I don't remember what the context was last time. Oh, Blake Lively, right? Blake Lively's insane outfits.
- [46:48]
Lauren Garoni
And Al Pacino is someone that definitely drums to the beat of his own drum when it comes to personal style. If you've ever seen him out and.
- [46:57]
Chelsea Fairless
About, I think it's marches to the beat of his own drum.
- [47:00]
Lauren Garoni
Thank you. As he was coming out, I was like, that doesn't seem correct.
- [47:03]
Unknown
Hi, y'all, my name is Dana. I'm calling from New York. I've been waiting for an answer to this question for the entire time I've been listening to you guys, which has been, like, over a year, and it hasn't come. So I'm just going to call and ask myself, but how did you guys meet? Like, what's the love story there? Was it like you were instantly friends? Did you like each other at first? What were your first impressions? I feel like I've been waiting for this story forever, so this is me asking for it. Okay, bye.
- [47:29]
Lauren Garoni
Chelsea and I have been hesitating to tell this story because we are actually podcast industry plants. We didn't know each other until some iHeartRadio executives brought us in for a chemistry read about five years ago.
- [47:44]
Chelsea Fairless
The topic was Nicole Kidman. And just everything was perfect from then on.
- [47:50]
Lauren Garoni
No, no, we discussed this a while ago, but I suppose we have a bunch of new listeners who do not know this lore.
- [47:58]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, we met in college. I was a senior, Lauren was a junior. We went to Parsons, and we were both in this, like, weird interdisciplinary department and we met in, like, the student lounge.
- [48:16]
Lauren Garoni
Yes. I think I was a sophomore. We hung out a bunch because you graduated and then you came back and would be in the research library. But I had seen Chelsea from afar at this time. I mean, Chelsea's a very striking person that you wouldn't forget, but especially at this time. You had quite the silhouette. You had the platinum bob, the bangs, a leopard coat. And so I had seen Chelsea prior to us ever speaking. Chelsea was like my Chloe, 70. I was just like, how do I start a conversation with this cool person? Because I looked at you and I was like, oh, I need to be friends with this person. And my moment came when you were explaining the idea of camp through the film Showgirls to someone in the lounge. And I was like, this is my time, I gotta jump in.
- [49:05]
Chelsea Fairless
It is truly insane that that's the first thing that we ever talked about.
- [49:10]
Lauren Garoni
Where our lives ended up. Absolutely. But I think an important part of our story is that we were friends, we were friendly, but we were basically acquaintances because I moved back to Los Angeles and I would see you periodically and you started coming out to Los Angeles more. And we started the Instagram account as a joke. And then in 2016, an odd confluence of events happened where we started the Instagram, you went through a breakup. I said, why don't you come out and stay here for a couple of weeks? You kind of didn't leave, and now we're besties.
- [49:51]
Chelsea Fairless
Okay, to be fair, you invited me.
- [49:53]
Lauren Garoni
To stay, I invite you to stay. And because you had no social network, you had no choice but to hang out with me. Which really, under a different lens, I'm realizing this could sound like a low key version of Misery.
- [50:08]
Chelsea Fairless
But yeah, it's true that we weren't super close until we started the account. I guess we would see each other, we'd go to movies and stuff. Like, I remember we saw Scream 4 together.
- [50:20]
Lauren Garoni
That we did.
- [50:21]
Chelsea Fairless
It was really. It was really the account and then me moving to LA that brought us closer. And look at us now.
- [50:28]
Lauren Garoni
So I'm here to say you can trick your acquaintance into becoming your bestie if you start a successful social media account with her and have a spare.
- [50:37]
Chelsea Fairless
Room in your house.
- [50:40]
Lauren Garoni
So, yeah, that's, that's how we became friends.
- [50:43]
Chelsea Fairless
All right.
- [50:44]
Unknown
Speaking of houses, Hyluron and Chelsea, my name is Emily. I'm a New York fuckette calling, looking for some decorating advice. I'm in grad school and I work full time in healthcare. But I have the opportunity, when my current lease is up, to live for free and a rent control apartment on the Upper east side. It belongs to a family friend, but it hasn't been updated since the 80s. It's kind of crusty and dilapidated, has slanted floors and does not have any closets for some reason. What can I do to unfuck this apartment while I live there for a year or two and pay off my student loans? Thanks so much for the advice. Love the show. Bye.
- [51:18]
Chelsea Fairless
Okay. I wish I had picks also. I wish I understood. Like, is this apartment completely furnished? Can you give it a fresh coat of paint? Because that's obviously number one. Especially if you're living in a musty, dusty, you know, maybe has popcorn ceilings or those horrible tit shaped lights that like cheap landlords use, you know.
- [51:41]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. I mean there are some things like the slanted floors that I don't even think Aiden Shaw would be able to fix in this rental.
- [51:48]
Chelsea Fairless
No. And that's fine. And you have to lean into that. Like lean into the fact that you have a funky New York apartment. Don't try and hide that. My main concern is the fact that you have no closets. You are going to have to find storage solutions. And because you describe this apartment as 80s, I would maybe like lean into that instead of fighting it. And you can get like pretty cheap, like laminate dressers from the 80s at vintage stores or like on Etsy or on Facebook Marketplace or whatever the fuck. You also could just get an industrial garment rack from Uline. You know, I love Uline, despite the fact that the people that own it are very sinister.
- [52:35]
Lauren Garoni
I think I could hear Big in the background, by the way.
- [52:38]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, I'm sorry. If you guys can hear, the bulldog snores. Really? Okay. I'm gonna wake him up.
- [52:44]
Unknown
Come on, wake up. Yeah. Good boy.
- [52:45]
Lauren Garoni
He's awake.
- [52:46]
Chelsea Fairless
Okay. Yeah. I had an apartment in my 20s that didn't have adequate closet space. So I just kind of put my best shit on a garment rack, on an industrial rack and just kind of tried to style it nicely so things of similar colors and lengths were grouped together.
- [53:06]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. And I feel like since we've lived in New York, the peel and stick tiles have really come up in a way that didn't exist for us, like you could completely resurface an apartment in a very apartment friendly or renter friendly way. There's a lot of great renter friendly options. Like, I think there are these chic canvas covers for the tit lights now that you could just put over them.
- [53:31]
Chelsea Fairless
Also just changing the light fixtures, you know, you can change them when you move. Sometimes that is really, really worth it. And as always, I do think that it's good to like invest in one thing. Like have one thing be major and then everything else can just be sort of more minimal and stripped back. Like if you have a really major bed or a really major couch or a really major like massive work of art or something, one piece that does a lot I think is always good.
- [54:03]
Lauren Garoni
And depending on when you move, you can really make out on Facebook Marketplace. I mean, that is the one nice thing about living in a ritzy city is you can get a lot of fancy stuff from people who are just like, I'm moving. Take this off my hands today.
- [54:23]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, but you will have to make like Facebook Marketplace a part time job for like a week or two where you're constantly refreshing because people are just like so fast. Like, I put an outdoor couch up there that was free, I don't know, a few months ago and I got 10,000 responses within a minute.
- [54:43]
Lauren Garoni
Send us photos.
- [54:45]
Chelsea Fairless
Yes, send us photos. Please send it to our email.
- [54:49]
Unknown
Hello? Okay, I'm calling because I am interested if either of you have read watched the movie that was made Once is Not Enough by Jacqueline Suzanne, the novel that she wrote after Valley of the Dolls. I would argue that it's better, I think book wise and maybe even film wise because the narrative is a little easier to follow, but it still has all the camp elements of a Jacqueline Suzanne novel slash movie made out of novel. There is a psychosexual sort of plot line between a dad and the daughter, which I think Lauren would love. There's an unhinged magazine editor who I think Chelsea would love. There are twists and turns and plane crashes and it's truly insane. And the film, while bad, has some really funny parts. So I'm wondering if you'll have seen it and would discuss it. Okay, bye.
- [55:57]
Chelsea Fairless
Okay, I have read the book Once is Not Enough, but I have never seen the film. I would love to see the film, but I read the book such a long time ago. Like, I was literally in middle school when I discovered Jacqueline Suzanne. I think I was in eighth grade. And I have this vivid memory of seeing the paperback for Valley of the Dolls at the Chicago airport, and I became obsessed with that book. And then I read all of her other books, but it was such a long time ago that they all, like, bleed together for me. But the COVID of the Valley of the Dolls book from the 90s is the same shade of pink that we use in our branding today.
- [56:42]
Lauren Garoni
Ooh, yeah. Should we make this part of the VIP book club?
- [56:47]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, for sure. I want to reread Valley of the Dolls. Also, I've heard that there's a new audiobook version that Laverne Cox reads that's supposed to be amazing, so I feel like it's probably good to, like, listen to the audiobook.
- [57:03]
Lauren Garoni
I do love how this fuckette is, like, well, there's a psychosexual relationship between a father and daughter, so Lauren would be into that book.
- [57:12]
Chelsea Fairless
There is. It has some things in common with baby Girl. It's twisted. I mean, Jacqueline Suzanne was up, and that's why we love her. Also, at some point, my Jacqueline Suzanne obsession intersected with my Bette Midler obsession, because there was a Bette Midler movie where she did play Jacqueline Suzanne, which was quite bad. But I think that people should revisit her. I feel like we need another biopic about her because that one just didn't do it for me.
- [57:40]
Lauren Garoni
At the very least, I'm sure a Ryan Murphy miniseries where Naomi Watts plays Jacqueline Suzanne. All right, next call.
- [57:49]
Unknown
Hey, Chelsea and Lauren. Question. I'm hosting. I've been hosting these clothing exchanges where friends come over and bring clothes they don't necessarily want to give away but want to find a new, good home for. And I thought in the background, I could have iconic fashion moments from TV shows, movies, anything in music videos, the best fashion shows. So I was looking up the winter, like, best winter shows, and I just thought of y'all and thought, what would. What would you girls suggest for a playlist of fashion moments in culture? Be it music videos, previous runways, or what did I say before? Movies. Love you guys. Thanks. Bye.
- [58:27]
Chelsea Fairless
This is such a broad question. I would advise that you should just play old Thierry Mugler fashion shows from, like, the late 80s into the mid-90s. Like, just Google, like, Thierry Mugler 1992, and see what happens, because his fashion shows were amazing. They're all really long. They're like an hour. But I do think the 20th anniversary one, which was in 1995, was especially good. So I would recommend that. Also the Yves Saint Laurent World cup fashion show, also amazing. I feel like you should be playing fashion shows that are, like, Major spectacles if we're doing that. Oh, and like the Margiela couture show from last year. Play that. Do something contemporary.
- [59:13]
Lauren Garoni
Also, when I was thinking of my favorite fashion shows, I realized they're all 20 years old because this was also. It seems like she's doing it in the winter time. So I was trying to think of fall winter shows. So I think of Tom Ford's last show for Gucci. Fall winter 2004. My favorite Phoebe Philo Chloe collection. The fall winter 2003, which is the rock and roll one. Those are easier to curate as a playlist. It's a little bit harder to find, I assume, on YouTube fashion shows in television and movies. But one of my favorite cinematic fashion shows that might be a bit of a deeper cut is the fashion show at the end of Don't Tell mom the babysitter's dead.
- [59:53]
Chelsea Fairless
Because it's not just a fashion show of, like, gowns and suits and normal stuff. It's like nurses outfits and, like, it's like uniforms.
- [60:02]
Lauren Garoni
Yeah. She works for a uniform company, and Christina Applegate is able to revive. Finalize the company by being like, what if you Uniforms were designed in a Memphis style?
- [60:13]
Chelsea Fairless
But, yeah, I guess we should put together some fashion show playlist at some point. But there's just so many. And there's so many great YouTube channels. There is just a playlist where it's like every Gaultier show in chronological order. You know, just put that on. You'll love it.
- [60:28]
Lauren Garoni
All right, next call.
- [60:29]
Unknown
Hi, Chelsea and Lauren, this is Vanessa. I cannot wait for you guys to do Fanatical, the Tegan and Sarah catfishing documentary. I just watched it last night.
- [60:40]
Chelsea Fairless
I can't stop thinking about it, and.
- [60:42]
Unknown
I cannot believe they don't know who did it. And it's been going on for this long. So really hope you guys watch it and discuss it on the show. Thanks, Bye.
- [60:51]
Chelsea Fairless
Okay, full disclosure. I have never been a Tegan and Sarah fan. I never got it. I never liked their music. I never liked their haircuts. I always thought their fans were annoying. Their fans hate me, by the the way. That is one thing I know.
- [61:06]
Lauren Garoni
Wait, literally, you just like every lesbian.
- [61:09]
Chelsea Fairless
That I've ever met that's a Tegan and Sarah fan. It's like, we just, like, do not mesh, as Ty from Clueless once said. But I'm sure the Tegan and Sarah fans that are listening now, you guys are the exception, clearly. But for some reason, I felt compelled to watch this Hulu documentary because I was like, who catfishing who's catfishing what? And basically the story is that in the MySpace era, someone created a fake MySpace account posing as Teagan and then started to have, like, sort of intimate friendships in some case, like sexual, you know, not relationships, not in person, of course, but with these random Tegan and Sarah fans that were catfished. And it was especially legit because whoever did this stole, like, unreleased demos from their manager's private servers. They had, like, unreleased photos of them. They knew details of their lives that they'd never talked about, like the fact that their mother had cancer, like, all of this fucked up shit. And basically they just never figured out who did it. And the person is, like, still doing it. I watched the whole thing thinking the person would be revealed, but they never are.
- [62:30]
Lauren Garoni
I'm sorry, is this like a Tyler Durden situation where Tegan and or Sarah is actually the catfish, but they can't remember doing it?
- [62:39]
Chelsea Fairless
I know, right? I mean, also there's this really scary, like, situation where the fake Tegan, like, got into, like a full relationship, like, online relationship with this one lesbian that was like, a bit unstable. It seems that then, like, could not accept that she had been catfished and started like, blasting like, the real Tegan on the Internet and, like, in their mutual social circles for, like, ghosting her, like, whatever the fuck. It was really, really dark.
- [63:12]
Lauren Garoni
Well, I did not watch this documentary, but I feel like this is a perfect segue to my micro fixation this week, which is this French woman who was scammed out of more than $800,000 by someone pretending to be Brad Pitt.
- [63:28]
Chelsea Fairless
Oh, yeah, they mentioned that in the Tegan and Sarah documentary. That's how I knew about that.
- [63:33]
Lauren Garoni
This person created AI images of Brad Pitt in the hospital and DM this woman and convinced her that he needed money for a kidney surgery and he could not pay for it himself because of his divorce with Angelina Jolie. This woman divorced her husband thinking she was going to be with Brad Pitt, and she only realized it was fake when Brad Pitt was on the news with his new girlfriend.
- [64:01]
Chelsea Fairless
That's so insane.
- [64:02]
Lauren Garoni
I was unaware of what Dr. Phil's show was about beyond episodes like the Catch Me Outside Girl and the guy that created bum fights that dressed up to look like Dr. Phil on a week to week basis, day to day. I don't know what Dr. Phil does in his episodes, but I went down semi recently a rabbit hole. And he does a lot of episodes about these kinds of love scams. Like one clip I watched, it was a guy who spent $200,000. And Dr. Phil is talking to him. He's like, she wrote you this love letter. We went online and found the script, and the guy's like, I don't believe it's just a coincidence. And then Dr. Phil would be like, your girlfriend who you've never met. Well, we found the woman in the photos. Jessica is actually Christine. Christine, stand up. And, like, this woman will stand up. And he's like, have you ever met this man? And she'll be like, no. I'm so sorry this happened to you. And then the guy will just be like, I don't believe it. Nope.
- [65:08]
Chelsea Fairless
A lot of people just can't accept the truth about many things in their lives, I suppose. Welcome to Dr. Phil. I mean, he does have his moments. I did, of course, watch the Burke Ramsey interview pretty recently.
- [65:23]
Lauren Garoni
Of course. Well, I think that's a great segue to our last call. Chelsea, hi.
- [65:28]
Unknown
I just listened to the episode about and Chelsea obsession with the JonBenet Ramsey, and I don't know if y'all have heard. I mean, I feel like you've obviously heard this because of your relation to Katy Perry, but, like, the.
- [65:42]
Chelsea Fairless
The.
- [65:42]
Unknown
The conspiracy theories about how JonBenet Ramsey is Katy Perry. I know you've heard this. It's just so stupid. You probably didn't, like, mention it on the podcast, but I just thought it's funny. Okay, Love y'all. Goodbye.
- [65:57]
Chelsea Fairless
Obviously true. Just kidding. This is maybe the dumbest conspiracy theory ever. Just because, like, when JonBenet Ramsey died at the age of 6 years old, Katy Perry and myself were both 12. Like, it's not even like they're even remotely the same age.
- [66:22]
Lauren Garoni
What is the conspiracy theory? Because I course heard, oh, Katy Perry, Jabba Ramsey. But, like, what is the logistics of this? That Jabane Ramsey was traffic to a family in Santa Barbara and lived as Kate Hudson. Right.
- [66:38]
Chelsea Fairless
That's Katy Perry's name, Catherine Hudson.
- [66:41]
Lauren Garoni
Thank you.
- [66:42]
Chelsea Fairless
I do not know the intricacies of this particular conspiracy theory. I think it's based on their physical resemblance, which they don't even look like each other. If you have seen an age progression photo of JonBenet Ramsey, she looks nothing like Katy Perry. She looks more like Meghan Trainor or something. Like, she has, like, a very distinctive kind of squarish jawline. Like, the shape of their face is fundamentally different, for one thing. So to me, I don't get it, because it's not even like a close or passable physical resemblance.
- [67:19]
Lauren Garoni
Like, a better theory is the one where People found Anton Lavey's daughter on Donahue from the 80s, and she looks exactly like Taylor Swift.
- [67:30]
Chelsea Fairless
That was impressive. I could be convinced of that. Maybe. But definitely, definitely not this.
- [67:35]
Lauren Garoni
So we've heard it. We don't believe it. Would be cool. Would be interesting.
- [67:39]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah, would be cool for sure.
- [67:41]
Lauren Garoni
But Chalice looked at the age progression photos, and they don't match, guys.
- [67:45]
Chelsea Fairless
Anyway, that's the end of our calls. But I think before we end this episode, we should acknowledge another bit of tragic Los Angeles news that happened right before we started recording, which was that David lynch passed away.
- [68:01]
Lauren Garoni
I know. How much more can Los Angeles take?
- [68:04]
Chelsea Fairless
It's so sad. I mean, we've. We've talked in recent episodes about his emphysema diagnosis, which is very sad. It's just surreal. Like his films, I suppose.
- [68:18]
Lauren Garoni
It's especially shocking because news came out last week, especially after the Runyon fires, that he lives very close to Running Canyon and he had been safely evacuated. So I think it was especially shocking when I saw that he had passed away, because it's like, well, he was fine. We just checked in on him last week.
- [68:37]
Chelsea Fairless
God, what an apocalyptic time for him to go out.
- [68:40]
Lauren Garoni
So after we finish recording Chelsea, I'll drive over to Bob's big boy and pour out a cup of coffee in his honor.
- [68:48]
Chelsea Fairless
Yeah. Should we close this episode with the Twin Peaks theme? Sure, why not?
- [68:54]
Lauren Garoni
All right. Am I gonna see you soon, Chell? Are you coming back from JTree?
- [68:57]
Chelsea Fairless
I'm coming back tomorrow. I'm coming back to work in the Every Outfit fulfillment center because hopefully, hopefully some of y'all will have bought our merch.
- [69:06]
Lauren Garoni
Yes, please. All right, guys, we'll be back next week in person, we think. We hope.
- [69:12]
Chelsea Fairless
We hope. Bye.
- [69:14]
Lauren Garoni
All right, bye.