On Holding Space, Louis Vuitton, Anora

Summary

Episode Summary: Every Outfit – "On Holding Space, Louis Vuitton, Anora" (Released November 29, 2024)

In this episode of the Every Outfit podcast, hosts Chelsea Fairless and Lauren Garroni navigate a whirlwind of topics ranging from the intricacies of fashion awards to heartfelt life advice, all sprinkled with their signature humor and sharp commentary. Here's a detailed breakdown of the key discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode.

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1. Introduction and Episode Overview (00:04 - 00:26)

Chelsea and Lauren kick off the episode with playful banter, setting the tone for what they describe as one of their "more random episodes."

• Lauren Garroni [00:26]: "Welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. Slight warning. I feel this is one of our more random episodes, I have to say."

2. Holding Space and the "Wicked" Press Tour (00:35 - 07:20)

The hosts delve into the phenomenon of "holding space" for the lyrics of Defying Gravity from the musical Wicked. They critique the press interactions surrounding the production, highlighting the often nonsensical yet affirming conversations between celebrities and journalists.

• Chelsea Fairless [00:54]: "I spent $40,000 on shoes."
  (Contextual banter about fashion and the omnipresence of Instagram in pop culture.)

• Lauren Garroni [05:20]: "It truly is gibberish. But it gives you the sensation that, yeah, they're actually answering the question in a happy way."

3. The AVN Awards: A Comedic Critique (07:20 - 14:05)

Lauren introduces the AVN Awards, likening them to the Oscars for the porn industry. The conversation is marked by humorous critiques of the award categories and nominee titles.

• Lauren Garroni [08:46]: "Bad lesbian 18. Do I need to see bad lesbian 1 through 17 to understand?"

• Chelsea Fairless [12:11]: "Ass the Police."

• Lauren Garroni [12:03]: "My talking penis told me to fuck my stepmom."

The hosts also discuss the inclusion of consumer categories like "Best Boutiques," questioning the criteria and relevance.

4. Fashion Insights and Recommendations (16:02 - 20:54)

Responding to Instagram questions, Chelsea and Lauren share their thoughts on Taylor Swift's personal style, critiquing her stylistic choices and recurring silhouettes.

• Chelsea Fairless [16:21]: "She's just not a chic person. I love her and she doesn't have to be, but that's the reality of the situation."

They also recommend their favorite fashion newsletters and Substacks, providing listeners with resources to stay updated on fashion trends.

• Chelsea Fairless [19:38]: "I subscribe to a bunch of them. I love Sighs and Whispers, which is primarily centered around 60s and 70s fashion."

5. Louis Vuitton and Marc Jacobs Discussion (20:54 - 28:00)

The conversation shifts to Louis Vuitton and Marc Jacobs, with the hosts reminiscing about favorite collections and debating whether Marc Jacobs should design for Chanel.

• Chelsea Fairless [24:05]: "It's like the satin. Like mini dresses."

• Lauren Garroni [26:18]: "I don't think Marc Jacobs should design for Chanel. It's definitely more avant-garde."

They express admiration for Andre Leon Talley's enthusiasm for Louis Vuitton's shows, highlighting memorable moments like the "locomotive" fashion show.

6. Affordable Handbag Recommendations (28:00 - 32:11)

Chelsea and Lauren offer advice on finding quality handbags under $500, recommending brands like Sandy Liang, Claire Vivier, Telfar, and Koresh for stylish yet affordable options.

• Lauren Garroni [31:26]: "There's a Los Angeles-based designer named Claire Vivier and she's doing this really cool woven checkered pattern."

7. Entertainment and Movie Discussions (32:15 - 65:55)

The hosts engage in a lively discussion about various entertainment topics, including:

• Mars Attacks: Recalling fond memories and iconic performances.

  • Chelsea Fairless [37:43]: "I loved that movie. When I saw it, I was so young that I didn't realize that Jack Nicholson was playing multiple characters."

• Cruel Intentions Reboot: Critiquing the new TV adaptation for losing the original's edge.

  • Lauren Garroni [41:34]: "It feels like they had to make it a reboot of Cruel Intentions to create a teenish sexy drama."

• Vanity Fair's Cormac McCarthy Article: Analyzing the controversial piece discussing McCarthy's personal life and its impact on his literary legacy.

  • Lauren Garroni [43:04]: "The article is terribly written, and Cormac McCarthy heads are making fun of it because of the way it's written."

• Oscar Opinions: Debating which actors deserved their wins and highlighting perceived snubs.

  • Lauren Garroni [46:18]: "I would go with Rami Malek winning Best Actor for Bohemian Rhapsody. Not a good role."

• "Anora" Movie Review: Sharing their thoughts on the film, praising its realism, character development, and Mikey Madison's performance.

  • Chelsea Fairless [62:30]: "I loved it too. It's about a stripper, a sex worker played by Mikey Madison... it's her biggest breakthrough role."

8. Life Advice and Personal Questions (66:06 - 66:38)

The hosts provide heartfelt advice on topics like dealing with rejection, maintaining personal boundaries in relationships, and coping with aging.

• Chelsea Fairless [47:04]: "I would just not watch news at all."

• Lauren Garroni [48:43]: "Please don't text a novel. If you send a text message to a guy that has two questions in it, they're only going to answer the first one."

9. Personal Anecdotes and Collections (56:06 - 66:38)

Chelsea and Lauren share snippets about their personal lives, including their collections and travel plans.

• Chelsea Fairless [60:17]: "I collect books, magazines, mostly fashion magazines."

• Lauren Garroni [58:25]: "I went through a phase during the pandemic of collecting vintage Gothic romance paperbacks."

They also discuss the challenges of maintaining personal interests while balancing their professional lives.

10. Closing Remarks and Farewells (66:28 - 66:38)

As the episode wraps up, Chelsea and Lauren reflect on their recent viewing of Anora, express their excitement for each other's upcoming travels to Australia, and bid farewell to their listeners with warm holiday wishes.

• Chelsea Fairless [66:36]: "And I will see you in Perth."

• Lauren Garroni [66:38]: "Bye, guys."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Lauren Garroni [00:35]: "But at least there were actual hot topics to talk about last week."

• Chelsea Fairless [05:34]: "I am on Cynthia Erivo's side because I could understand how maybe she just went off somewhere in her head."

• Lauren Garroni [08:00]: "I do want to take you through some of the nominees."

• Chelsea Fairless [12:28]: "That's exactly the title. Chile."

• Lauren Garroni [19:38]: "She has one. It's not exclusively about fashion, but she has some really great fashion stories."

• Lauren Garroni [26:27]: "We don't think Marc Jacobs should design for Chanel."

• Lauren Garroni [43:04]: "The article is terribly written, and Cormac McCarthy heads are making fun of it because of the way it's written."

• Lauren Garroni [54:33]: "Is Steve's penis the biggest of all the Sex and the City boyfriends?"

• Chelsea Fairless [57:39]: "Australia. Because I could actually become a citizen."

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This episode of Every Outfit offers a blend of fashion critique, entertainment analysis, and personal insights, all delivered with Chelsea and Lauren's unfiltered perspectives. Whether you're a fashion enthusiast, a movie buff, or someone seeking relatable life advice, this episode provides a comprehensive and engaging listen.

Transcript

[Chelsea Fairless]

I spent $40,000 on shoes.

[Lauren Garrone]

What's the matter, Morty?

[Mikey Madison]

Coral.

[Lauren Garrone]

The sting. Ten tomorrow.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Dress floral. The Sting.

[Lauren Garrone]

Great gowns. Beautiful gowns. Fashion has changed. No, it hasn't. Hi, I'm Lauren Garrone.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I'm Chelsea Fairless.

[Lauren Garrone]

And welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. Slight warning. I feel this is one of our more random episodes, I have to say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I was hoping that things couldn't get more random than last week, but here we are.

[Lauren Garrone]

But at least there were actual hot topics to talk about last week. This week we're recording a little early because Chelsea is going home for the holidays. And because it's Thanksgiving week here in America, not a lot of news has.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Happened, which is why we're still talking about holding space for the lyrics of Defying Gravity.

[Lauren Garrone]

I personally have been doing my best to avoid all of the Wicked press tour, but it's unavoidable.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, yeah, because you haven't stopped using Instagram, so you haven't really avoided it at all. And it's not possible to walk down a street and avoid it at this point because it's the billboards. Like, I was walking by the Fig store at the Century City Mall yesterday.

[Lauren Garrone]

Millennial Scrubs company.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Exactly. And all of the scrubs were green and pink.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm just imagining being stuck in the emergency room after slicing your hand open during Thanksgiving. And you have a. A Glinda and Elphaba.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

Are you more of a Glinda or Elphaba? That's how we're sorting things in the emergency room today.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. Well, I will see Wicked.

[Lauren Garrone]

Though the listeners know I am not the biggest musical fan. I was shocked that you did not insist that we see it this weekend so we'd be able to talk about it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I figured we'd see it at some point. Over Thanksgiving.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, we are going to Australia. It's going to be a minute before we speak about this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's fine. Let's give people a chance to see it that aren't like, die Hard Wicked.

[Lauren Garrone]

People like myself, who is stunned by the fact that this is only part one of two, and part one of this wicked film is two hours and 40 minutes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I had no idea that there was a part two coming.

[Lauren Garrone]

What could be in it?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I have no idea. As someone that never saw the musical on Broadway and hasn't read the book, I have no clue.

[Lauren Garrone]

Did you really not?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I never did. I would probably care about it more if I had. I am familiar with a lot of the music from Wicked. Because I have spent so much time in piano bars, so I know the songs. I just haven't seen it.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm just shocked by the fact that I. I've seen Wicked on Broadway, which made my father fall in love with the soundtrack. So I've had to listen to that soundtrack a lot.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, so you should be looking forward to this more than me then.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, I'm not looking forward to a nearly three hour, let's be honest, three and a half hour film with AMC commercials.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, at the end of the day, I am a Wizard of Oz completist. I will do what I have to do.

[Lauren Garrone]

Did you see the Sam Raimi film that had James Franco in it? The great and powerful Oz?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't even think I've heard of that. I've seen Return to Oz. I've seen the Wiz. I've obviously seen the wizard of Oz. And those are all fabulous films.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, back to this viral clip. For those who somehow escape the Wicked press tour and don't know what we're talking about, this is what happened this past week.

[Mikey Madison]

This week people are taking the lyrics of defying gravity and really holding space with that and feeling power in that. Would you touch on that moment in the film when Elphaba has been banished and yet she comes into her full power at that moment of the worst time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I didn't know that that was happening.

[Mikey Madison]

I've seen it. Yeah, that's really powerful. That's what I wanted. Yeah, I didn't know that was happening. I've seen it on a couple posts. I don't know how widespread, but you know, I am in queer media, so that's my cool. Yeah. But yeah, it's happening.

[Lauren Garrone]

I don't know. I'm on the side of this journalist. Do you know how hard it is to ask a different version of like the same four questions the publicist allows you to ask?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, true. I actually love this journalist. She seems major. I'm not sure what news outlet she works for because it's like watermarked with the Outmatch magazine logo, but then it's on the Advocates YouTube channel, so I'm confused. I assume one of them bought the other, but she does work in queer media, that is for sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's a nonsensical question. They give nonsensical answers. Honestly, I'm sure they're all tired and would rather not be there.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love that they're having a nonsensical conversation, but it's also positive and affirming.

[Lauren Garrone]

It truly is gibberish. But it gives you the sensation that, yeah, they're actually answering the question in a happy way. I think that is how long they bid on this press tour.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. And I am on Cynthia Erivo's side because I could understand how maybe she just went off somewhere in her head for like, half a second while this woman was talking and then just dropped back into it and just kind of had to go with it.

[Lauren Garrone]

I mean, I feel like as podcasters, we can relate to that sensation because maybe sometimes my mind goes elsewhere while. While we're recording a podcast and I'm like, oh, shit, hold on. I have to have a funny point.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I think she might have disassociated just for a bit. Although she did follow up. She could have just let that go because she almost brought it back to the first part of her statement, which wasn't even a question.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, that is the thing with modern journalism, especially during these press junkets, is you kind of don't ask a question question. You give a huge preface, and there really isn't a question that then the celebrity needs to answer. Although how does one exactly hold space for defying gravity?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. As I understand it, holding space is more about like, creating a safe space for someone else's feelings. So, like, if we were driving around Silver Lake and you were looking for parking, I would be holding space for your emotional response. But I don't understand how that relates to this topic. Although chronically online, queer people love to hold space for all sorts of shit. I've noticed.

[Lauren Garrone]

Clearly, the interviewer didn't know what she was saying either. She just happened upon this viral, very memey moment. And good for her.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I feel like we haven't had a moment like this since the Negroni pun.

[Lauren Garrone]

Is it called Negroni Spagliata?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, exactly. Did you see that TikTok? That was like, I can't explain it, but this is why the Democrats lost the election.

[Lauren Garrone]

I saw that. Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I think the subtext there is that, like, no one wants to address the direct reality of things.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. Well, Chelsea, I might not be holding space for Wicked, but you know what? I am holding space for the nominees for the 2025 AVN Awards. For those who don't know, these are the porn Oscars. Don't ask me how I came across this. I did. I'd like to take you through some of the nominees. I do want to preface for the Fuckettes, who are currently at home visiting family, who perhaps have told their family members, this is a funny Podcast, and you're currently playing it on a public speaker in your family home. Please Skip ahead about five minutes or put in those AirPods.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, same goes for those with young children. That said, I have no idea what you're about to say, so let's get into it.

[Lauren Garrone]

So what I find fascinating about the AVN Awards is they do have all of the same categories as the Oscars. There's Best Editing, there's Best Hair and Makeup, but they don't have a Best Picture. They have Grand. Real pretty classy, I gotta say. There is literally pages and pages of nominees. So I have gone through what I think are the categories that you will care about, starting with Best All Girl Movie, which is the lesbian category. But I have to say the title's pretty uninspired. Chell. Bad lesbian 18. Do I need to see bad lesbian 1 through 17 to understand?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wait, that's how many bad lesbian movies there have been?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. I don't think there are 18 bad lesbians in this film. I think there have been 17 bad lesbian films in the franchise.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

Lesbian Stepsisters 13. Lesbian Superstars 4. She likes girls. Okay. There's also a film called Spun, which makes me think of the Jonas ackerlund film from 2002.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I was about to say I've seen that. And I'm pretty sure that Brittany Murphy was in it.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, that's what I also want to discuss is there's a lot of films that are nominated that have very, I would say, unporn like names to them. Like, there is a film called Birth that keeps coming up again and again in all of the top categories.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Like the Jonathan Glazer.

[Lauren Garrone]

Like the Jonathan Glazer film. But it's also such an unporn like name. I was like, what could this film possibly be about? Because it got nominated for the Grand Reel. Best Director, Best Cinematography, Best Screenplay. Yes, Chelsea, they have best screenplay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Birth is a psychological thriller that delves into the intense emotional complexities of pregnancy and infidelity and the intricate dynamics that unravel when the desire to start a family collides with secrets and betrayals. This is one of the top porn films of the year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It seems like more of a psychological thriller.

[Lauren Garrone]

It is directed by someone named Brie Mills, who in my head I'm like, oh, this must be some suicide girl esque woman. Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A suicide woman.

[Lauren Garrone]

Suicide, if you will. Chelsea. I just want to show you the director, Brie Mills.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, I just googled. Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

I would say a Rachel Maddow looking lesbian wow. So now I'm even more intrigued by what this film Birth could be.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we got to watch, clearly.

[Lauren Garrone]

I do want to note there is a Best Editor category and Birth is nominated. The editor for Birth was Clit Eastwood.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's a great pseudonym.

[Lauren Garrone]

Back to the categories you care about. I frankly think there's a lot of innovation in the Best Female Mixed age movie category because you have Lesbian Daughter in Laws five. Think about that. That's a thinker. Because it's your daughter in law.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, God.

[Lauren Garrone]

Who's also a lesbian.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, actually, yeah. Is this a lesbian dynamic that you marry into is lesbians. And then there's a daughter in law that marries into this dynamic who's also a little gay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think in all likelihood, it's like the mother and the daughter in law.

[Lauren Garrone]

Is the mother married to another woman?

[Chelsea Fairless]

If I had to guess, I would say no.

[Lauren Garrone]

We have lesbian stepmother 8. We also have not without my daughter 4.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's a good title, right?

[Lauren Garrone]

These are clever titles. Speaking of clever titles, Chelsea, you'll never guess there's actually a category called Clever Title of the Year.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

May I read some of the highlights of this category?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it doesn't seem like I have.

[Lauren Garrone]

A choice, so Ass the Police.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, that's good.

[Lauren Garrone]

Gape Expectations.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Wow.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's my dick in a butt.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't love that one too. Farrelly Brothers.

[Lauren Garrone]

My talking penis told me to fuck my stepmom.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that's actually the best one.

[Lauren Garrone]

What about a swift dick in the ass?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's a toss up between Ass Fuck the Police and what? My talking dick told me to fuck my stepmom.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's exactly the title. Chile.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Very memorable. Rolls right off the tongue.

[Lauren Garrone]

The EVN Awards are so varied that it gets into consumer categories as well, including best boutiques, which I was shocked to see. A boutique called Good Relations in Eureka, California. Are you aware of this boutique, Chelsea?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, of course.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's AVN nominated.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, my God. I'll have to go in and congratulate them. But that's a chain. There's a bunch of Good relations, I think, in the Bay Area. I think.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, the. Specifically the Eureka, California one is nominated, so it must be above the rest.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, but why are they giving awards to, like, sex shops?

[Lauren Garrone]

Paul and I were talking about this, and I think that the porn industry is in such dire straits that these are companies that pay for advertisements perhaps, and that's why they are nominated.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But that's weird because Good Relations is very much like, get your organic Lube here.

[Lauren Garrone]

Speaking of lube, there's also a lube category and I was very sad to see my friend Eva's sexual wellness company, Mod, which has great lube, not nominated.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What did she lose to, just a jar of coconut oil?

[Lauren Garrone]

No, she wasn't even nominated. The awards happen in January, Chelsea.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The anticipation is killing me.

[Lauren Garrone]

I would say that we should go, except for the fact that it doesn't seem like it would be a pleasant awards show. For no other reason than there are so many categories. I'm showing Chelsea my phone right now. It's still going. There's still nominees.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, considering I did go to the pornhub awards this year, they don't actually do them all in person.

[Lauren Garrone]

Got it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

There was a massive montage where it revealed the winners for every category.

[Lauren Garrone]

That's smart.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But we will need to update the listeners about the winner of the best clever title.

[Lauren Garrone]

And also, I mean, here's hoping that Brie Mills sweeps all of her categories.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, absolutely. We're rooting for our girl.

[Lauren Garrone]

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[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Shall we move on to some questions from Instagram?

[Lauren Garrone]

Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Let's start with Some fashion questions. I love this one. Can you pinpoint what makes Taylor's personal style not interesting or a slay like ever?

[Lauren Garrone]

It feels weird for me to take this one since you're the resident Taylor Swift expert and I feel like you have some thoughts about this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think there's a lot of factors that are playing into this. First and foremost, she's just not a chic person. I love her and she doesn't have to be, but that's the reality of the situation.

[Lauren Garrone]

Which, by the way, not every celebrity needs to have personal style. Like I think about a Jennifer Garner who when she's off duty, she's really off duty. But she has a great stylist. Like when she worked with Rachel Zo. I don't know if she's still working with Rachel Zoe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know, she literally works with my friend Jordan.

[Lauren Garrone]

There we go. But when she's on a red carpet, she will turn it out in Versace or some other great designer. That, in my opinion is not the case with Taylor.

[Chelsea Fairless]

No. Also, she's had the same stylist since she was a child. A Nashville based stylist. Not saying that someone from Nashville can't be a good stylist. I'm just saying she's had the same team for 10,000 years, so it's not going to get better now. Also, she has some recurring silhouettes that I don't think are helping her. First of all, short skirts and ankle boots. I don't think that's advisable for most people right now. Secondly, she's always wearing like a tweed blazer in a matching pair of tweed shorts with like thigh high boots or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But it's never like the Chanel tweed suit. It's like the Tibby one that like you could buy at Nordstrom or something. She's not wearing a lot of high end clothes to begin with. Just in her day to day life she's wearing like this sort of mid range brands.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right. And of course her instincts lean into the more basic, which is absolutely fine. My controversial opinion is that I think her personal style, like I'm sure a stylist pairs her in everything she's wearing. But her quote unquote off duty style I find more interesting than her red carpet style.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know about that. I mean, I mean she was seen.

[Lauren Garrone]

Out wearing Vivienne Westwood.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, but have you ever seen Vivienne Westwood look like that before? Because I haven't.

[Lauren Garrone]

Fair enough. I'm just saying that her leaving a restaurant wearing Vivian Westwood compared to. Was it the Grammys where she wore the floral Oscar de la Renta?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

I feel like her red carpet choices are always a couple of steps out of time.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A lot of it does feel severely, severely outdated, like the kinds of clothes she's wearing.

[Lauren Garrone]

However, I don't think she is someone who should get a roe ification makeover.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know what I wish for her, honestly.

[Lauren Garrone]

You know, it could also be worse. I mean, she could be exclusively wearing Vuitton.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, that might be better. Although when she does, it went too hard. Like she did wear Louis Vuitton to the Met gala that one year, remember?

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh yeah. When she was dancing with Tom Hiddleston.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that year. But that was a very extreme look on her. That didn't feel like her.

[Lauren Garrone]

No, she had the platinum hair and sort of shaggy haircut.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It was a lot of fashion for that girl. Anyway, love Taylor not loving the look.

[Lauren Garrone]

Next, someone asked what fashion newsletters columns, substacks do you subscribe to read regularly? This is more your thing. Cuz I. I don't subscribe to any substacks and I really need to.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, well with substacks I subscribe to a bunch of them. I love Sighs and Whispers, which is primarily centered around 60s and 70s fashion. I read Amy Odell's substack. I read Dana Thomas's sub stack for like industry news. I really love Liz Goldwyn's substack.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, she has one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's. She does. It's not exclusively about fashion, but she has some really great fashion stories. Like her most recent post is about staying in Isabella Blow's house and being like visited by her ghost. So you get like that obsessed. You also get very like top shelf Nepo baby, like Taylor Swift bought my family home kind of stuff, which I love.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is true. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I love her and I've always loved her. What else? Oh, I also love Opulent Tips, which is Rachel Tashin's newsletter. It is not on substack, you have to subscribe. But that's a really good one because her taste is quite eclectic and it's not necessarily in sync with what's popular now. So I love that one.

[Lauren Garrone]

Also, I will put all these recommendations in the show notes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. Okay, next question. Can you please comment on the Alexis Batar campaign series with Margot Goldridge?

[Lauren Garrone]

No.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Really? No.

[Lauren Garrone]

I just seem funny to say no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think it's one of the best fashion advertising campaigns I've ever seen actually. And if you haven't seen it, it's basically A series of vignettes that are shot in a mockumentary style that have been released on Instagram and I assume on TikTok over the course of the last year or so. Maybe over a year now.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I first saw them on TikTok.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It follows the fabulous life of this fictional Upper east side lady named Margot and her long suffering assistant. And you might recognize Margot from and just like that, because the actress Patricia Black played Che Diaz's boss at the veterinarian, which was like our favorite side character.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I didn't recognize her with the turban in this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Also, Patricia Black is a legend in New York because she runs the Albright Fashion Library, which is basically a massive rental house for stylists and costume designers. There's one in Los Angeles as well.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I think it's brilliant. I think it's very of the moment. I know there was this feeling about 10 years ago where it's like fashion films were going to be the next thing and that didn't end up happening. And this feels like a natural evolution of a fashion film and also just fashion campaigns. I would imagine many people aren't sure if this is real or not, if this is an actor portraying this crazy Upper east side lady or.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, well, it's also complicated by the fact that there are famous people playing themselves. Yes, Law Roach has gone on.

[Lauren Garrone]

Who else? Kelly Cattrone, Susan Sarandon.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I saw one with Jordan Roth most recently, but it's pretty much the closest thing to Robert Altman's Preta Porter that exists currently. Imagine that movie, but split up into bite sized clips is essentially what they're doing.

[Lauren Garrone]

And dare I say funnier.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know about funnier. I love that movie, but it is really fucking funny. Whoever thought of this as a genius and Alexis Bitar has always had quite cool advertising and been a cool New York brand, so props to him.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I don't know if you read the recent New York Times article that discussed Margot, but I did not realize that he had sold the company to Brooks Brothers and bought the company back three years ago.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Hmm, I did not know that either.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, next question. Favorite Marc Jacobs era LV collection. I feel like I know what you're going to say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What do you think I'm gonna say?

[Lauren Garrone]

The 2008 Richard Prince Nurse collection?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, not gonna say that. Because the nurse part of the collection is like very different from the rest of the collection.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But what's your favorite?

[Lauren Garrone]

I was gonna say the spring 2003 collection that began with this Multicolor yellow, blue.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, like the satin. Like mini dresses.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. With the Peter Pan collars. It really feels like Marc Jacobs magnum opus for that era of geek chic. Marc Jacobs.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I feel like he hit his stride certainly by the time he got to that collection. But I actually like the later era ones. My favorite one is the carousel show.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Which was spring, summer 2012. I remember when the video of the show came out at the time, and I was mesmerized by it. So magical. It was all pastels and whites and feathers and eyelid on steroids. And Kate Moss closed the show, and I loved that one. But also the mod collection, like the checkerboard one where all the models came down the escalator. That might have been the most major, like, show.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes. The Runway show itself.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Although I always have Andre Leon Talley's voice in my head because there's that viral clip, I don't know if you've seen it, of him talking about the train show.

[Lauren Garrone]

No. What is this?

[Chelsea Fairless]

He's basically, like, doing some sort of a lecture publicly. I don't know if it's college students or what, but he's basically just describing the Louis Vuitton show with the train with such enthusiasm. I will just drop a clip of it here. Also, the way that he says locomotive lives rent free. In my mind, the Marc Jacobs Louis.

[D]

Vuitton fashion show last March 2012 was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I just sat there. I had been transformed. He had the budget, and Louis Vuitton built, custom made a train, a locomotive that moved lacquered midnight blue, with a car full of mannequins. But the detail of the vision to show that Mark wanted to show a kind of luxury associated with the old way of traveling. Not today. You can't travel with, you know, porters. Each mannequin had her own porter, by the way. Each girl got off and there would be a porter escorting her with the luggage or her little party pocketbook or whatever. It was one of the most beautiful moments I ever had in fashion.

[Lauren Garrone]

No one felt excitement like Andre Leon Talley.

[Chelsea Fairless]

A locomotive that moved. It's so good.

[Lauren Garrone]

So follow up question. Should Marc Jacobs be designing Chanel? And the answer is no.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Why do you think no? I was gonna say yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, okay.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I feel like if Karl Lagerfeld had stepped down in the 2010s, that probably would have happened.

[Lauren Garrone]

My thought that Marc Jacobs shouldn't design for shannel is, I think, to your point, which it feels like Marc Jacobs is Just on a different plane of design. It's much more artistic.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It's definitely more avant garde. For sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. Than commercial, which I think the people that own Chanel are seeking with the designer. And also, you know, I feel like Marc Jacobs should just keep designing Marc Jacobs.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. But I love the way that Marc Jacobs himself wears Chanel and I feel like whatever he would do would be amazing. Also. I'd love to see him be able to have like a really lavish show again. But yeah, I agree that it seems unlikely. I just feel like the likelihood of someone getting that job that I like more than Marc Jacobs is kind of slim.

[Lauren Garrone]

I also don't think at this point in his life, Marc Jacobs wants to have to answer to a higher power.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, we don't really know what Marc wants at this point, aside from having really fabulous nails at this point.

[Lauren Garrone]

Because Chanel has yet to install a new creative director. I do think they should do what Jean Paul Gaultier is doing and just have guest designers. Like, would I love for there to be a one off Marc Jacobs collection for Chanel? Absolutely.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I would like that too, but we'll see. They're very trad over there.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, thoughts on Barrel jeans?

[Chelsea Fairless]

They look good on you.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is what I was going to say. It's a personal choice. Do I understand when people say they hate barrel balloon jeans? Absolutely. But for my body type, which is more pear, like, I'm trying to minimize my butt and top of thighs and accentuate my waist. So the barrel jeans are perfect for.

[Chelsea Fairless]

For me, also perfect with like a man with a bit of an ass that, like, doesn't want to lead with the ass. You know, it's true. Well, when I think about examples of barrel jeans that I like, it's usually more of a pant. And it's like a wide, oversized pant.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Willy Shavria has done them. Tat has a really good pair from entire studios that has that silhouette. So, yeah, I think it depends on the person because it can be a.

[Lauren Garrone]

Lot of fashion and I like it for that reason. I do. As I get older, like, pieces of fashion that kind of do the work for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But we'll see. Taylor Swift might start wearing them soon if she has it already.

[Lauren Garrone]

If Aria starts making crystal embellished barrel jeans, it's all over Chell.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, moving on. Did Smith Jared walk in Tom Ford's breakthrough Gucci show? Yes.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yes and no. I mean, Smith Jarrett didn't. Jason Lewis did.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, see, my mind is just like mush at this Point. You're right. That is a key distinction.

[Lauren Garrone]

Jason Lewis, the actor who went on to play Smith Jared, began as a male model and indeed walked in. Is it the 1995 Gucci show?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. Whatever the one that really hit is, he wore like a orange velvet suit. It was fabulous. But yes, he wasn't in character. It wasn't like that Valentino show that Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson walked in.

[Lauren Garrone]

And they were their Zoolander characters. Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Would you support Jonathan Anderson making different species of bird clutches? I do, and he already has. I went into the London store and they were like, here is the puffin, here is the yellow canary. So there are more bird options now.

[Lauren Garrone]

Very chic. I would love to see him make an ostrich, perhaps.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. I think they have to be to scale though, so that might be a bit difficult. Anyhow, we always get questions about handbags.

[Lauren Garrone]

We do indeed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I continue to add them because obviously there's always new bags coming out and stuff. So good handbag under $500.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think the problem with this question at this price point is often when you are looking for bags at this price point, they are knockoffs of more famous bags. The requirement I gave myself were under $500. Bags that were their own thing. They weren't trying to ape a Ro Marco or something.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think Sandy Liang has quite cute bags that are under $500. I like the recital bag, but there are a few different options also. Finally, Telfar has made a leather version of the classic shopping bag in collaboration with Wilson's leather. And the small one is $400. So I think that is a really great thing to invest in.

[Lauren Garrone]

There's a Los Angeles back designer named Claire Vivier and she's doing this really cool woven checkered pattern. And that's 385, which I think is very cool. And also it's a nice size bag.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. I feel like her bags are good for minimalists. Same goes with apc. They have bags that are in this price point, I believe.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. And this is a slight cheat because it's $4.99. So it comes in like right under the wire. But Koresh is actually doing some pretty great bags. If you want a quote unquote designer bag that is under 500 under a thousand has a great logo to it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, that's very good advice. Actually.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's not a quote unquote designer bag that everybody has.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, moving on.

[Lauren Garrone]

Let's answer some Christmas questions. Ciao.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What should I get my Semi closeted brother, 32, and his boyfriend, 61, for Xmas.

[Lauren Garrone]

We do hotline episodes. We do Instagram question episodes. And I feel oftentimes those who leave us questions on Instagram should be calling into the hotline. And some of our hotline calls should be Instagram DMS or something because I need more context.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, semi closeted. If he has a boyfriend that's twice his age, he's out.

[Lauren Garrone]

Or does he come to the dinner.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And say, this is my old friend.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is my boss who doesn't have any plans.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Look, either way, just get them a trood on candle. It's a gay status symbol. Or you could get them a candle from Diptyque, preferably something limited edition or holiday related.

[Lauren Garrone]

Perhaps a Jonathan Adler candle or therapy.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, like a better help gift certificate maybe.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, we need the every outfit holiday gift guides. We also got a question that was like, what are your thoughts on gift guide bloat? And I think this answers why we haven't put a gift guide together is there are too many gift guides and I don't think the world needs ours.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but having said that, buy every outfit merch.

[Lauren Garrone]

Duh. This question made me realize it's like beyond family members who have kids. I realize that I don't get many people in my life gifts, or at least individual gifts, because many of my friends and family that I love have everything that they need. I don't want to give someone something just to give them something for sure. Like, I feel like my default is actually just going to different places like Flamingo Estates or Aesop and getting a gift set, like having someone else do the work.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Those are good recommendations. Also, Flamingo Estate does do candles that you can get them like personally inscribed, basically, which is a nice detail.

[Lauren Garrone]

But I've realized the one category of gift, if people celebrate Christmas that always goes over well is a Christmas ornament.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh my God, you are such a grandma. That's such a grandma gift. To get a Christmas ornament on Christmas, like as a child and you're like, what the fuck is this?

[Lauren Garrone]

Is that what you would get on Christmas?

[Chelsea Fairless]

No, I actually appreciate ornaments, but I'm a very Christmassy person.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'm specifically thinking about my mother who has everything. Her birthday is also in the middle of November. So in recent years, I've realized getting her a Christmas ornament is perfect. So you are correct. It's a little weird to give someone a gift on Christmas that is a Christmas ornament. I'm thinking like holiday Parties.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I'm the opposite. I feel like I end up buying a lot of Christmas presents every year. And. And I have a couple of things that I want to recommend this year. First of all, merch from restaurants that hold sentimental value to whoever you're giving the gift to. Just want to put it out there. That Odeon has a really fabulous snow globe. Last year, I got a bunch of Musso and Frank merch for our friend Nikki, who loves that restaurant. And we have a lot of memories at that restaurant together. And I always think that's good. Also, we mentioned this recently, but Genghis Kohen, our beloved Chinese restaurant. Yes, great merch. I gave that to Tat for Christmas one year. So I think that's always a good gift. That's personal, but you don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money. Also to throw it back to the person that asked about their semi closeted brother and his older gay lover. I would also Recommend Barbra Streisand's 2010 decorating book, My Passion for Design. It's $47 on Amazon. I'm sure you can find it used for cheaper. And I think it's a great book. I mean, it's a horrible decorating book. Like, no one's house should look like this, but it's hilarious, it's campy. And if you want to add a personal touch to your gift, you can do what I always do, which is write a fake inscription from the celebrity to the recipient.

[Lauren Garrone]

Guys, this is true. I have been on the receiving end of this, which has caused many people to look at my bookcase and go, why do you have Caitlyn Jenner's memoir? And I go, oh, read this inscription that Chelsea wrote in Caitlyn Jenner's voice.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. So that is my other suggestion for an inexpensive but personal Christmas gift.

[Lauren Garrone]

For the category of parents, which are always difficult to shop for, I've also defaulted to getting nice coffee table books about subjects that they're interested in. Like, I got my dad an azoline book about James Bond destinations which he could not put down.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. They have a lot of highly specific books in their catalog.

[Lauren Garrone]

It was either Rizzoli or Azuline I was looking at. And I think they figured out this is a niche for dads because I noticed they have like a fancy basketball book, baseball book.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

For the dad that has everything.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, moving on to some entertainment questions.

[Lauren Garrone]

Would you ever discuss Mars Attacks? Chell? How do you feel about our. Well, your UAP segment? Because it went over Quite well. And it seems the people want more.

[Chelsea Fairless]

You know, I haven't re watched Mars Attack since I became a UAP truther, so I think it's time for me to revisit that for sure. But I've always loved that movie. When I saw it, I was so young that I didn't realize that Jack Nicholson was playing multiple characters. Like, I recognized that he was the president.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But not the other character. Also, Sarah Jessica Parker is, of course, iconic in this film, so we gotta watch it. Yeah. And Lisa Marie. I was thinking about Lisa Marie when what was the viral clip about the, like, transgender aliens operations in prison or.

[Lauren Garrone]

Whatever, that migrants are coming in and they're getting transgender surgery and we're paying for it as taxpayers.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

You were just imagining Lisa Marie, who was Tim Burton's girlfriend at the time. A fabulous, eccentric it girl. A niche it girl, let's say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. So cool. Love her.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. I'm down to watch Mars Attacks again. That is a film that I think I watched once or twice and have not seen in 20 years, maybe.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, it's great. Glenn Close is also in it. She's the first lady.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, we got our first VIP episode of the new year. Already figured out.

[Chelsea Fairless]

What's your take on Beaches, Chelsea? Have you not seen Beaches?

[Lauren Garrone]

Remember that you love me when I tell you what I'm about to tell you. I've never seen Beaches.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, well, I could see that coming. Bitch. That's fine.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's one of those things that. It's like, if you saw it when you were a kid, you saw it, but if you missed it, it was.

[Lauren Garrone]

Not one of my mother's films.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And there was a point in time where there was a lot of disco course around Beaches. Like Beaches was in the Zeitgeist.

[Lauren Garrone]

Right.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Beaches was referenced on Seinfeld or whatever. But, yeah, I love Beaches. I've seen it 10,000 times. I'm obviously more of a Cece than a Hillary, but I wish that there were more movies like it, more female friendship movies. Also, Mayim Bialik. Is that how you say her name? She does an excellent job playing young Bette Midler, as you can imagine.

[Lauren Garrone]

I can see that. Yeah. All right, I'll watch it over the holidays. I love this question. Is Cameron Crow's Singles just a failed attempt at what Reality Bites succeeds at?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, considering that I've seen singles once in Reality Bites, like, a dozen times.

[Lauren Garrone]

I would argue yes, they are each their own thing. Cameron Crowe, the music journalist turned filmmaker, definitely understood what was going on in the grunge movement years before it happened? Because singles comes out in 91, which is just a hair's edge before grunge takes over and becomes worldwide and mainstream. But I'm with you. I've seen singles once and I've seen Reality Bites a bunch of times and just I guess we're more Winona Ryder people than Bridget Fonda people.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure. Although Single White Female. But I think we might need to revisit singles. It's just been so long since I've seen it.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think our Gen X correspondent Jessica Glasscock may have to join us.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, thoughts on Cruel Intentions, the movie versus the reboot TV show. Have you watched this?

[Lauren Garrone]

It just came out this past weekend. I have not watched it. I was unaware that this show existed up until this weekend. I watched the trailer and I just feel like it speaks to our IP brain dead times where they are remaking Cruel Intentions, which is already a loose adaptation of Dangerous Liaisons. And it feels like in order to just make a teenish sexy drama comedy show, they had to make it a reboot of Cruel Intentions. But it's kind of not. First of all, it's set in college in Greek Life, which I think there's something to them being teenagers in high school that makes it way edgier. Also, I cared so little about Greek Life.

[Chelsea Fairless]

We just need a new version of that and not a reboot. It's the same thing with Gossip Girl. It's like they gave us a reboot. Gossip Girl in itself was coming off the heels of Cruel Intentions and they were trying to copy Cruel Intentions. Then we just need a new version of that.

[Lauren Garrone]

In a post euphoria world, these characters in Cruel Intentions should be even younger than Reese Witherspoon and Sarah Michelle Gellar and Ryan Phillippe. To make them older really defangs the whole concept of what makes it edgy. Also, it is so funny to me to cast the most Reese Witherspoony looking actress to play the Sarah Michelle Gellar role.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I have seen the billboards on Sunset, but beyond that I haven't seen any of the like trailers or anything. Anyway, did you ever see the Chloe 70 show where she played a trans assassin in rural Ireland?

[Lauren Garrone]

This unlocks something in the back of my brain where I was like, oh right, that happened.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That did happen. I never saw it, but I'm aware that it did happen. It was called Hit and Miss. It came out in 2011. It was hard to watch at the time. I forget what streamer it was on, but it certainly wasn't a Netflix or a Hulu. It was like hard to watch, I think.

[Lauren Garrone]

For sure. Yes. I think it was a BBC ITV show. So that passed us by, unfortunately or fortunately.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't know. Was it good? Someone let us know. Okay. Need your thoughts on that vanity fair Cormac McCarthy article. Can you explain this to me?

[Lauren Garrone]

I absolutely can, because I live with a man who loves Cormac McCarthy and this Vandy Fair article has taken over his life the past few days. So I know all about this. So last week, Vandy Fair published this bombshell article that revealed that Cormac McCarthy, when he was 42, fell in love with a 16 year old girl. This woman's name is Augusta Brittany. She maintains that she is the main inspiration for many of Cormac McCarthy's beloved characters. And it is torn the Cormac McCarthy world apart. Well, there's several things going on. You have people who love Cormac McCarthy who don't know if they can like his work anymore because he clearly committed statutory rape. There are also Cormac McCarthy scholars that are picking apart this woman's story. They know that this relationship happened. Like a lot of Cormac McCarthy scholars are like, have known about this woman for decades, have just never spoken about it. The third factor is the man that wrote this article, Vincenzo Barney, who just imagine a more Italianified Jake Sloshberg. This is what this guy looks like.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Cool. Good for him.

[Lauren Garrone]

Wrote this Vanity Fair piece in the style of Cormac McCarthy. And so it is terribly written. So you also have Cormac McCarthy heads making fun of the article itself because of the way it's written.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, that would all go over my head. The only Cormac McCarthy book I ever read was the Road.

[Lauren Garrone]

Was that because it was on Oprah's book club list?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think so. I think it was like assigned in school or something.

[Lauren Garrone]

So I wonder if this question is asking our thoughts on the Vanny Fair article because it's poorly written or the idea that people are now disavowing Cormac McCarthy and being like, I can't like him anymore because of what he's done.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, it seems like a lot of noteworthy authors have committed statutory rape, right?

[Lauren Garrone]

Indeed. And also Paul's point, who has read a lot of Cormac McCarthy is if you've read any of his work, why did you think this was a normal man to begin with? Like, this is a fucked up individual who wrote about fucked up things. So there you go.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, name some people who have an Oscar but didn't really deserve it. This is a hard question, correct?

[Lauren Garrone]

Because I feel like there are different categories to this. There are people who deserve Oscars but maybe won them for the wrong role like Russell Crowe won for Gladiator and not the Insider which came out a few years before. Or there's the premature Oscar like Sandra Bullock winning for the Blind side instead of Gravity which came out a few years later. This could also be applied to Emma Stone winning for La La Land. And then poor things. I would say in recent memory, the conversation around who is the most undeserved recent Oscar win would go to Jamie Lee Curtis for Everything Everywhere all at Once. Because that was a stacked best supporting year and she won. But at least you can say, well, that's a career Oscar for sure. So for me, I have to go with Rami Malek winning best actor for Bohemian Rhapsody. Not a good role, not a good.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Performance, definitely not a good movie.

[Lauren Garrone]

And he also didn't have a career where it felt like the Academy was like, and here's your Oscar for all of the work you've done over the years.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm going with Anne Hathaway for Les Mis. Oh, did not care for that. Didn't need that entire movie. I did need. I think it was the Oscars performance of One Day More which was giving regional theater and that had a camp value that nourished my soul, but didn't need that. There's another group of people that you're not addressing which is people that don't deserve two.

[Lauren Garrone]

Well, yes, and Emma Stone falls in that category also.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think Hilary Swank doesn't need to have two. I agree, but those performances were both amazing. But I don't know if she needs two.

[Lauren Garrone]

She doesn't need two. And also if we could only give her one. Upon retrospect, Annette Benning should have won for American Beauty over Hillary Swank winning for Boys Don't Cry.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So she could have just got that for the. What was it? Not the fighter. Million Dollar Baby.

[Lauren Garrone]

Million Dollar Baby. Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

We have some life advice questions. Always love when we get asked this. People trust us to help them with their problems.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I flew to New York to meet a guy and was rejected. Advice on how to not take it personally and move on.

[Lauren Garrone]

As someone who, when I moved back to Los Angeles, flew to New York to see a guy and stay with said guy and was rejected. I imagine you are asking this post trip, but what I did when I realized the vibe wasn't there is I abruptly moved out, stayed with a friend and my autonomy freaked him out so much. He was like, why'd you leave? And then I never spoke to him again. So there's that.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, that sounds horrible. First of all, secondly, I think it's fair for this fuckette to be upset.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh my God. Of course.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I think there's a period of wallowing or anger that's completely appropriate with something like this, like being rejected as the absolute worst. So it's like, do that, but be conscious of how long that's going on for.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. The advice of how to not take it personally. You can't help but take it personally. Yeah, you wouldn't be human if you didn't take it personally. But my advice for moving on is I know you've got a long text in. You put that in the notes app and never send it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's good advice.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right, if you're going to text, maybe text a. Not cool. That's it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay. Definitely don't do that.

[Lauren Garrone]

But please don't text a novel. If I could stop my 20 something year old self and maybe my early 30s version of myself. Never send the long text, especially to a straight guy. They don't care.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

If you send a text message to a guy that has two questions in it, they can't answer two questions. They're only going to answer the first one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good to know.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, next up, how are you all keeping up with the news without feeling enraged?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Every day I just read newspapers in the morning and then carry on. But I have pushed pause on watching the View for the time being because that is starting to upset me.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah, I guess what keeps me going every day is just while they are evil, they are also incompetent. And there is a lot of infighting going on behind the scenes. Now, don't get me wrong, this administration is going to be bad. But already Matt Gaetz has dropped out of being Attorney General.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right.

[Lauren Garrone]

There is already word that started a week after Trump won the election. Within Mar a Lago, people are getting annoyed at Elon Musk. I don't know if that friendship is going to last to the inauguration. I think for me it's just waiting and seeing of how much of their evil plan is actually going to work out. Someone was making the point that if everything works according to plan and he doesn't decide to be a dictator, this is the last time Trump is going to run for president.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but what about Don Jr.

[Lauren Garrone]

He doesn't have the Riz of his father. I'm sorry to say that, but the Republican establishment is only going to fall in line so much because after he leaves office, God willing, he leaves office, they are going to have to stand by and run on the policies that happened over the last four years or the upcoming four years. And without the cult of personality of Trump, they might not stand for a lot of the crazier policies. So that's how I'm surviving.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I think to anyone that's really going through it, I would just not watch news at all.

[Lauren Garrone]

No. And people aren't. Have you seen that CNN and MSNBC's ratings have completely tanked.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, don't do it. Just read the paper. Don't listen to the podcast either. Just avoid our podcast.

[Lauren Garrone]

Listen to our podcast, but don't listen to the plethora of political podcasts who are really just in a circle jerk echo chamber.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, okay.

[Lauren Garrone]

Is $5,000 too much to spend on a friend's destination wedding? Ten days in a hard to get to area?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I don't think so. I think that sounds reasonable for a 10 day vacation.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes, you should treat it like a vacation.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But that's the thing. Is this actually going to be a vacation for you? Because if this is something you're doing out of a sense of obligation that you're not necessarily looking forward to, you're like, oh, I'm going to spend this money and I'm going to know like one person there. Or it's going to be a financial burden on me. I'm going to have to put it on a credit card, whatever. Then don't do it. If those are the circumstances, yeah, if.

[Lauren Garrone]

You have $5,000 to spend on a destination wedding that you wouldn't miss, then I say do it. If you can make a vacation out of it, also do it. I saw a video on TikTok where someone was like, millennials can't buy homes because we're spending all our money going to our friends destination weddings.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Okay, moving on. Turning 40 very soon and terrified. Advice to shake off the ageism stigmas. As an elderly 40 year old woman, I do believe that I have some wisdom to impart. When there is stigma around something in our culture, it's natural to be affected by it. But you kind of do have to shake it off because you're still reasonably young and worrying about this shit is just a waste of your time. You only have so many years left. Let's not spend our 40s freaking out about aging. You still got it. Live your life.

[Lauren Garrone]

I'll play this for myself when I.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Turn 40 also, maybe when you actually turn 40, like me, you'll just be relieved.

[Lauren Garrone]

Ooh. Is it okay to have casual sex with your ex if you've decided you don't want to be with them?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes. But you can't be in love with them and they can't be in love with you?

[Lauren Garrone]

I was going to say the answer is yes. I personally could never do this. Well, it depends on the definition of casual sex. Is this someone you're seeing weekly, a few times a week? Is this someone that you're having casual sex with once a quarter? Because I feel like the frequency that you. Even if it's casual sex, you inevitably are going to enjoy spending time with them. And you can't help but catch feelings. But then again, that just might be me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I think we have to consider how the feelings play into this, because the feelings are what always fucks up these kind of arrangements. So let's be conscious of that. Let's not be a cliche. Let's take a long, hard look at the situation and be adults and get a realistic assessment of what's going on. I get that that can be hard when you're in it, but if you can take a step back and think about the reality of the situation, I think you'll find your answer. Or you're so horny that you're just going to push that answer to the side in favor of your immediate needs.

[Lauren Garrone]

I guess what has always puzzled me about this type of question, and maybe this is just my own personal bias, but if it's someone that I am having sex with on a semi frequent basis, it means that I like them even if it's on a casual basis. And I can't help but imagine that after a certain amount of time, that won't turn into feelings. But I'm jealous of these people who can fuck without emotions.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right, moving on to Sex in the City.

[Lauren Garrone]

We always have to answer some Sex in the City questions.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Who do you think has the biggest penis of all the Sex and the City boyfriends?

[Lauren Garrone]

Steve.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's what I thought too. I think he's low key about it, but I think it's definitely Steve.

[Lauren Garrone]

There's something that had to have kept Miranda hanging on after all these years. I'm also talking about season two Steve, who had Riz, not the glorified toddler that he became as the seasons and films went on.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, definitely Steve. Okay, have you guys listened to Kyle McLaughlin's true crime podcast, Varnum Town?

[Lauren Garrone]

No. I was previously unaware of this Podcast. It sounds incredible.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I didn't know he had a podcast. Varnum Town is based on this rumor that Kyle McLaughlin heard that Pablo Escobar did some deal in the early 80s with a remote town in what, North Carolina?

[Lauren Garrone]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Where in exchange for money, I guess they allow him to land planes. Yeah. And import his drugs and whatnot.

[Lauren Garrone]

So Kyle McLaughlin paired with an investigative journalist named Joshua Davis. And for 24 months they investigated this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Pretty cool.

[Lauren Garrone]

Do I understand Kyle McLaughlin's social media Persona? No. Do I love what he's doing with this part of his career? Absolutely love it.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Good for him.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, next. At what point in and just like that does Miranda call Sid?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I bet Sid has aged like a fine wine.

[Lauren Garrone]

I think Sid probably looks like Bri Mills.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yes, Sid's looking good.

[Lauren Garrone]

Now see, that would be a fun callback. So we're probably not going to get it. But I agree. I would love if Miranda randomly ran into Sid again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That's a real niche callback. But I do think that Sid, at least visually, is like the exact person that I would think Miranda would be with. But clearly they had no chemistry, so that's the reality.

[Lauren Garrone]

I love this. Next question. Did you guys know that Rooney Mara is a Brady Hobbs double parental last name name? And the answer is yes. This is one of my favorite IMDb trivia facts. Rooney Mara's full name is actually Patricia Rooney Mara. Rooney is her mother's maiden name. The Rooneys own the Pittsburgh Steelers. Mara her father's last name. Well, they own the Giants. So I love that she just took her parents last name and made that her SAG name. There's a thing in SAG where you can't have the name of a different actor. So I wonder if there was a Patricia Mara.

[Chelsea Fairless]

See, I did not know this, but you learned something new every day.

[Lauren Garrone]

What do you think about that?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, I always thought she had a cool name.

[Lauren Garrone]

Rooney Mara is an incredibly cool name. She's also my favorite low key Nepo baby. Cause this isn't just a Nepo baby. Like this is a football dynasty. Wealthy, wealthy family. And I would love to be a fly on the wall for their Thanksgiving dinner. Imagine Rooney Mara.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. With Joaquin in the mix. Also, that's extra crazy.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. Bringing their vegan turkey.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I love that for them.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, let's finish up these questions with some personal questions. Chelsea, if you were to follow Ellen and Porsche's relocation steps, which country would you move to?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Australia. Because I could actually become a citizen.

[Lauren Garrone]

It's a very good answer. The United Kingdom. I Mean, I love London very much.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So you're literally following in Ellen and Portia's footsteps.

[Lauren Garrone]

I am, but it's so cold there. I guess I could get citizenship in. In Italy. My family has tried so many times. My grandfather was Roman, but somehow we learned rescinded his Italian citizenship when he became an American citizen. So I guess I can't.

[Chelsea Fairless]

So now you're all fudged.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. We're all so screwed.

[Chelsea Fairless]

That sucks. Okay, do either of you collect anything? If so what?

[Lauren Garrone]

I really don't. Although I went through a phase during the pandemic of collecting vintage Gothic romance paperbacks.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, those are always fun. They have excellent covers.

[Lauren Garrone]

Although I just saw you looking around in my closet. Do you think I collect anything other than too many shoes?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Shoes that you don't wear, I would say is something you love collecting.

[Lauren Garrone]

Okay, this has been going on off mic, and I think we need to talk about it, which is Tatiana, Chelsea's wife, and I were discussing the fact that Chelsea has object permanence issues because she's constantly pointing because we recorded my closet to shoes that she's like, you never wear these. And I show her the bottom, and.

[Chelsea Fairless]

It'S like, I've worn these shoes, like, once.

[Lauren Garrone]

But what you mean by that is, I've never seen you wear these shoes. So therefore, you have not worn these shoes.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, but based on the soles, you've worn them no more than once or twice. It would be one thing if you were like, check out this sole. And it was, like, busted, or you had to resole it or something, then I'd believe that you were actually wearing the shoes.

[Lauren Garrone]

To be fair, a lot of these shoes, a lot of these heels are what I call valet shoes. And so they don't have a lot of scuff marks. Because I'm going from the car to the restaurant. The restaurant back to the car.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I understand the concept of valet shoes. I just. I think this is getting a little excessive. All I'm saying.

[Lauren Garrone]

All right. What do you collect, Chelsea?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I collect books. I collect magazines, mostly fashion magazines. Fashion, art books, that sort of thing. Photography books. I do have a bunch of dolls, mostly celebrity Barbies, which I've discussed before, but I have a couple random other dolls. I have a Blythe doll. I have one of those that I got in my 20s that looks like a little version of me in my 20s.

[Lauren Garrone]

Oh, I remember that one.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I have a stuffed toy that looks like Marc Jacobs character on South Park.

[Lauren Garrone]

I remember this.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And other than that, this isn't like, an intense collection. But I do collect coffee mugs. Like, novelty mugs.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is true. I've seen them.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But I have to, like, throw them out because Tat's like, annoyed with the fact that I collect them. So I'm constantly having to pare the collection down so that it fits in the cupboard. So that oppresses me. And I also collect, like, magnets from, like, if I do travel, I'll get a magnet, put it on the fridge. But, yeah, that's it. That's it for me.

[Lauren Garrone]

All of those things. Those are it for me.

[Chelsea Fairless]

This is an unhinged question. Would you ever consider selling the pod? Allah. Nobody wants this.

[Lauren Garrone]

I was wondering why you put this on the outline to answer. Because I'm like, are you trying to tell me something, Chelsea?

[Chelsea Fairless]

Well, guys, Spotify has offered us millions. And so, yes, I mean, I guess under those circumstances, we would consider selling the pod, but at this point, no, there's not really a benefit to doing that for us presently.

[Lauren Garrone]

No. And also, no one has offered us money to sell the podcast. We probably would. Yes. We're like Alexa's batar. We sell it and then we buy it back a few years later.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I don't think that's something that we're gonna have to think about. Let's just say I don't think we'd.

[Lauren Garrone]

Have to worry about that. Unless the somehow the podcast becomes very, very big at the same time that there's a second podcast. Boom. A la 2020. So, Chelsea, you and I watched a movie this weekend that wasn't Wicked, a film that people have been asking us to talk about. And unfortunately, because of our travel schedules, we're weeks off in our media diet. And we finally just both saw Honora. Loved it. Delightful.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, I loved it too. I don't know if I would describe the ending as delightful, but a delightful film, certainly. So it's about a stripper, a sex worker played by Mikey Madison, who we love, who you might recognize as the hot older sister from Better Things. She was also in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. And that scream, scream 5, the one that was just Scream again, even though it's not the original Scream. Anyway, her. She's amazing. And this is her biggest breakthrough role.

[Lauren Garrone]

This film won the Palm Door at the Cannes Film Festival. It is written and directed by Sean Baker, who made Florida Project and Tangerine. It's in the genre of whatever genre the Safdie brothers kind of invented.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah.

[Lauren Garrone]

If you took a Frank Capra film from the 40s and smashed it into a Safdie Brothers film. That's kind of what Anora is.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. Because Anora mostly takes place in like a two day period.

[Lauren Garrone]

Yeah. It's like a week. And then the back half of the film all occurs over one evening.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It does feel like the story is told in real time at times.

[Lauren Garrone]

And it's a fun slice of life of a part. Even though both you and I lived in New York of a Brighton beach part of Brooklyn that not many people experience. I would say.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. My initial impression of this film was that it was mostly set in Vegas, but it shifts between Vegas, Manhattan, Brighton Beach, Coney Island. Also featured quite prominently throughout Honora.

[Lauren Garrone]

An important sequence at Tatiana's.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I loved that. Although it's confusing. There's like multiple restaurants named Tatiana's in Brighton Beach. I don't know if this one was the legit one or the other one that was in the film.

[Lauren Garrone]

Interesting.

[Chelsea Fairless]

But also the whole cast was amazing. I'm not familiar with any of the actors that played the henchmen, but they were all fabulous.

[Lauren Garrone]

This is also a Shawn Baker trademark, is kind of casting real people. I don't know if the actor that played Ivan or Igor were Russian actors or they're just street casted and now they've become actors. But they're all brilliant. It feels very real world.

[Chelsea Fairless]

The ending did surprise me. It was great. It was a real gut punch, that's for sure. But I would say that most of the film is quite funny, which is why the ending is a little bit jarring. But it's smart, I guess.

[Lauren Garrone]

I didn't think it was as dark, the ending, because given the fact that it's a movie about a sex worker, she's surrounded by gangsters who could have ill intentions with her. It does not go in that direction. And so I was more relieved it didn't go in a much darker direction, honestly.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Right. It's not like I thought it would have a Pretty Woman ending, but I.

[Lauren Garrone]

Mean, it has a Pretty Woman ending of sorts. She has a sense of catharsis.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Sure.

[Lauren Garrone]

She's on the right path. Maybe there's a new love story for her. We don't know.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I hope there is because I do like that Igor character.

[Lauren Garrone]

I ship Enora and Igor for sure. Given how funny the movie is, I'm sort of surprised at how much talk there's been about it being a Best Picture contender. I think it will definitely get nominated, but it doesn't feel like it has the usual elements that the Academy usually loves for Best Picture. They love a crash. They love a green book.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It'll be passed over like Uncut Gems was.

[Lauren Garrone]

But it will kill at the Independent Spirit Awards.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Absolutely.

[Lauren Garrone]

We've been big fans of Mikey Madison since Better Things, so it's lovely that she has this star making role. And I. I can't wait for her to begin vying for roles against Emma Stone and Jennifer Lawrence.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah. It's truly what she deserves.

[Lauren Garrone]

And semi spoiler alert, I'm just relieved she wasn't set on fire again.

[Chelsea Fairless]

I know, right?

[Lauren Garrone]

If you haven't seen Scream 5 or whatever it is, it came out years and years ago. The fact that that was her death in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I don't think. Has anyone asked her this of, like, were you cast in Scream because the filmmakers thought it would be funny to do the same death in Scream that you had in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?

[Chelsea Fairless]

I'm sure it was a coincidence, but it is bizarre.

[Lauren Garrone]

Anyway, I'm here for more roles where Mikey Madison doesn't get set on fire. That does it. Ciao. Yeah, and I'm a little sad because I'm not gonna see you again until we're in Australia.

[Chelsea Fairless]

Yeah, that's crazy. Well, have a lovely Thanksgiving.

[Lauren Garrone]

Thank you.

[Chelsea Fairless]

And I will see you in Perth.

[Lauren Garrone]

See you in Perth. Bye.

[Chelsea Fairless]

All right.

[Lauren Garrone]

Bye, guys.