What happens when you strip away everything you've achieved, everyone you know, and everything that makes you feel significant — and all that's left is just you and God?

For Ben Cooley, that question stopped being theoretical. He lost his job, his platform, and his sense of identity all at once. And what he found on the other side was something he couldn't have found any other way.

Ben co-founded an anti-slavery organization that reached 12 countries and helped over 100,000 children. He's a father of ten and one of the most honest guests we've ever had on this podcast. In this conversation he talks about belief — not as a concept but as the foundation everything else is built on. How you articulate it, how you rehearse it, how you celebrate it so it actually shapes your family and your organization instead of just looking good on a wall.

He also talks about the lie that high performers are most susceptible to — that God's love is somehow connected to what you produce. And he shares the single most important shift he's made in understanding the difference between being a human doing and a human being.

Life is meant to be enjoyed, not endured. This conversation will remind you why — and point you back to the One who made it that way.

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