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🚨 SUMMER HOUSE: Aftermath + THE VALLEY: Bertdays & Butt Facials
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But the thing that I really want to complain about when it comes to in the City is like the Kenny storyline, that's his name, right? Where he's searching for the dad. Like, God bless that. But it's not something I want to see. I wish him all the best and I want all the families to be reunited or to. I don't even know exactly what's going on with him because I was zoning out when it was happening. It felt very Melissa Gorga real house in New Jersey when she's looking for the long lost sister pretending she's going to get pregnant. You remember all those that used to happen on Housewives quite a bit where people would sort of make up a storyline for the season for themselves and we would all be watching and be like, that's not really happening. Like, this is just a. This is just something they're all making up. And I'm not saying that Kenny's doing that, but that's what it feels like as a viewer. And furthermore, this is a storyline that should maybe happen a couple seasons down the road. Like when we get to know this person Like, I barely know him, let alone have any sort of connection to the person he's searching for. And so I just. Like, every time they show that, I'm like, ugh, this filler. This filler, filler. You know, they say, I just saw a plastic surgeon on TikTok say, stay away from the filler. Be careful with your filler. And I need Bravo to heed that lesson because this is a filler storyline to me. And again, wish him nothing but the best. Is it his dad that he's searching for somebody else? I don't know. Unclear. Moving on. The aftermath episode I want to talk about because I am combining the Valley and the summer house recaps this week. I told y', all we've had a lot going on. And so the aftermath, I wasn't even sure if I was gonna cover it. It was sort of like a bonus episode. I wasn't anticipating that we're getting an extra episode. It was like a three part reunion. And then the reunion was such a flop in terms of, like, getting information about Amanda and Wes that they were like, let's do lights back up. Let's turn the red light back on and get filming with Kyle. And he sat down with the west. And then we had Sierra sit down with Mija, and then we had Amanda sit down with Lindsay Hubbard. And ultimately, some of the information we got was interesting, but I found it actually more frustrating than anything because the whole time, her and west were catatonic at the reunion. We were all saying, like Lindsey Hubbard did at the end of the reunion. Like, I feel like I didn't learn anything. I didn't understand the timeline. I didn't understand what was going on, how they fell in love, how they fell for each other, how they started. And so in the aftermath episode, I'm going into it thinking, like, oh, I hope I get some more information. But then it just felt like they were rehabilitating Amanda, which I. And obviously she's on the show that just started airing the spin off show. And so they gotta. You know, I look through at the lens of the TV network because I'm looking at them thinking, how are they trying to trick us? How are they bamboozling us? And they got a whole season ahead of Amanda on In the City, so she's got. I do feel like in some way they're trying to make us sympathize a little bit with Amanda and turn her into the victim. Like, Wes did all this stuff, and I'm like, are we all just infantilizing Amanda now still, after what she did, and she's tears. And Lindsay's like, oh, west is saying this. And it's like, ugh, that was just frustrating to me. And then west is still being a dummy. Like, is not able to have a declarative sentence. I mean, west, how many times. You know, the thing that was most interesting to me about that whole episode, the whole aftermath episode, the summer house one, was how you guys. When west came over to Kyle's house, so he goes over and he sits down, and the dog recognized West. Oh, you guys, that dog. That dog had a relationship with West. It wasn't even just. I was at first thinking, oh, the dog's over there. Maybe the dog will attack West. I was excited. I thought, get him, get him, get him. Sick. Em. Dog. You know, forget what the dog's name is. Forgive me, but I was so excited because I thought, oh, Wes is coming by. Maybe the dog will finally do what we all wanted everybody else to do, which is just get him. And unfortunately, the dog was, like, buddying and up to west, and Kyle was looking there, shocked, because Kyle this. It was like Shakespearean to me because Kyle's, like, so fucking confused. You could see him. That was the first time I saw Kyle, like a deer in the headlights, like, what's going on? Why does my dog know west so well? And so it was like the dog was a smoking gun and the dog was just, like, jumping and climbing. And west was felt so comfortable with that dog. Oh, that gave me the chills. I had the fucking chills from that. That's when I could tell that the relationship had been going on for a while and the timeline wasn't adding up to me. I don't care what Jesse Solomons posted on his Instagram about the timeline. I don't care what Andy's saying on Watch what happens live about the timeline or Amanda and West's podcast. He's going on talking about timeline stuff. I don't care about any of the things that all those other people are saying. I care about what the dog is saying. And I couldn't. The dogs. Dogs don't lie. The hips don't lie, according to Shakira, and neither do the dogs, because they will tell you everything that's going on. They will tell you their feelings, emotions, and you just got to read between the lines. And the dog was. The dog was telling us everything we needed to know, which is that west and Amanda have had a long standing relationship and they've been canoodling for a while with the dog in tow. With the dog in tow. And I'm sure that dog, like, I don't even blame the dog for butting and up to west and giving west the attention because the dog don't know better because he's just been. The dog's just been around west and Amanda when they've been canoodling. So it thinks that Amanda's happy with west, but doesn't even know that Amanda's actually being skeezy. To Sierra to Mia to Kyle, everybody behind the backs. So the dog just probably has never met some of the other players in the game. But Kyle seems so shocked by it. Oh, you guys. That was the best part of the whole episode. You know, it was interesting too. They didn't even have any confessionals. It was just two, three different sit downs. So it was Lindsey and Amanda first and then the other two, then the other two. I don't know. It's interesting to me. And they kept having to put the date up. So it started with May 13, 20 days after the reunion. We saw Cityscapes. And then also what fascinates me about the show is when they do the sound effects and the music and everything, which we talk about a lot on the show. But it was like we saw Cityscapes and then we heard the ambulances. And I know that when you go to New York City or big city, you often hear ambulances in the city. But they were putting in those sound effects, you know, like, they didn't have to put ambulance sound effects in, but it was like somebody was. I don't know, somebody was dying or then. Then the music was like very inceptiony, like Christopher Nolan. Inception was like. And then you heard an ambulance. Like. Like we're. That's how we're entering this show, this episode. I was like, they're just being so fucking dramatic. And then we open on Lindsay's apartment. Amanda answers or enters Lindsay's apartment. She brought over two bottles of rose. Lindsay had already opened a bottle of rose, plus they had another bottle. So they had four bottles total. And this is when, as soon as Amanda walked in, Lindsay was like, girl, how you doing, girl? And she said, girl, like a million times. She's like, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl. Which I think we've all been waiting for somebody to say to Amanda. Because a girl needs to love herself and she don't love herself. And I actually think everybody on this episode needs to love themselves. Because I could point out amongst each one of them, each one of them, I'm thinking you need to Love yourself. And that's really the problem. All their problems stem from is that I don't think any of them love themselves. And so when Lindsay at least said that to Amanda, I felt like a sigh of relief. Like I thought, ah, finally I can breathe, I can, I can exhale. Because nobody had been saying to Amanda, girl. And that's another reason why they need a gay on the cast. Because you need somebody, you need a gay there. And this is what is actually working for me over on the Valley, which we're going to get to, that you have someone like Zach who is able to go up to every single one of the cast members when they're acting a fool and be like, girl, girl, girl, girl, what are you doing? You know? And I, I just felt relief when Lindsay had said that to Amanda. And then Amanda says, thanks for agreeing to talk with me. And I thought, well, actually, producers probably told her to talk with you because they are trying to launch a spin off show. They're trying to milk the ratings for all they're worth and they're trying to get a whole bonus episode. And you're all being contracted for a bonus episode. So I'm sure you're all getting a nice. I wonder what they got paid. That's what I'm most interested in. Like, how much did you get paid for this bonus episode that you had to sit down and film? Those contracts probably look pretty nice. I hope Sierra got a fat paycheck. Hope she just got a fat paycheck that'll buy her another house or something. I know it wasn't that much. I know she's not getting that much. You know, Bravo doesn't like to loosen up those purse strings for nothing. Even though Sierra is keeping the lights on at the network. I'm sure they didn't open up those purse strings too wide for this episode. But they had to have paid them at least something to do a bonus episode. So I wonder what it was we needed. I need to look at the contracts. Somebody show me the tax returns. I need to know. And then Amanda says she reached out to Lindsay to chat. And the truth is, I don't think these two would ever chat again. I know we're all trying to pretend like, oh, they, they've been on this show for a while together now. But I think in real life, like, Lindsay and Amanda would have both gone their separate ways, but they're on a spin off together and they're getting more money for this bonus episode. But it's like in real life, I just Lindsay's saying, you need a big sister right now. You don't have anyone in your life willing to give you a tough moment and hard truths. I thought, yeah, Lindsay, that normally wouldn't be you. But you know what? I'm happy that you're earning the paycheck. Amanda says she didn't watch the show. She said that at the reunion, too. And then now she's saying even after the reunion, she didn't watch it. And it's like, do your fucking job. That's your fucking. That should be in the contract. And why is it not in the contract? I'm sorry. I feel the same way. And by the way, if you listen to. When I was recapping that show, that. And just like that, the Sex and the City spinoff, we talked about this because Sarah Jessica Parker had gone on interviews saying, like, she didn't watch the show and she's a producer on end, just like that. Or she was. And we even pointed out on that show that it was almost, like, irresponsible because that show was so bad. I mean, they wrapped it up with a poop in the toilet, a turd. That's how the. And just like that, Sex and the City saga ended. And I remember being so frustrated by that, and then seeing Sarah Jessica Parker in interviews. Who? I love sjp. She's an Ohio queen. She's my Ohio sister, but I love her. Love sjp. Okay, we're not here to talk shit about sjp. But watching her interview after interview after interview say she don't watch the show, and she's the executive producer on the show, and the show is so bad. We're all sitting there saying, like, watch the show. And I feel the same way about Amanda. Like, saying, you don't watch the show. It's like, do your fucking job. And I know Amanda's not even a producer on this show, but I do think that the Bravo needs to step in and say, you need to watch the show, watch the episodes. She says she's off the Internet to protect her mental health. It's like, well, we're all on the Internet and none of our mental health is protected, so neither should yours. Neither is yours. I mean, I do sort of get that. I do. I mean, it probably is best because if she logs onto that Instagram, you just know those. I mean, I see some of the comments. I can only imagine the DMs that Amanda Patool has been getting. I mean, they're probably just like, fuck you. I don't mean to laugh. But I just could imagine how unhinged they are because we all have parasocial relationships with the people on these shows. And I've seen it firsthand because I mentioned on the Valley recaps that a lot of people think I'm Danny from the Valley, the one who's married to Nia. And so I get messages sometimes and comments and stuff and I see it and they're very unhinged and it's very scary. And so that's Danny on the Valley. Like imagine Amanda's DMs after the scandal. Like they are probably so dark sided. So it is probably best that she's off that social media. But I do need her to watch the show if she's going to come back. That's. I don't need her in the comments section, I don't need her logging on Instagram, but I do need her watching the episodes so she knows what's going on. Because you can't show up to the reunion for three episodes catatonic and then they agree to film a bonus episode and you still didn't watch nothing. Like, go sit your ass in front of the tv, what else do you got to do? But you're getting stoned at home. And Dayton, Wes Wilson, it's not like you got a busy calendar. I mean, what are you doing? I know they're traveling together or whatever, but. You mean on the plane? Didn't they just go to Rome or something? That was talked about. It's like, you mean to tell me on the plane you didn't have time to watch anything like boot up those episodes and binge them on the plane when you're up in the air like the rest of us. I once binged a whole season of Bethany Ever after on an airplane from California to Ohio. So I believe you me, you can watch it. You could put it on double speed, watch it up fast, you want, but you need to watch it. I mean, you're traveling jet setting and you mean to tell me you can't sit. And you know she's a big stoner too. So it's like light up a joint, sit your ass in front of the TV and watch them. I mean, come on. And I'm kind of pissed that nobody said that. I know Lindsay did say she's like, you need to watch the episodes. And I think they told Wes that too. It's like you all need to watch the episode. Do you see everyone's mad at west for wanting the Knicks to lose a game so that people Wouldn't watch the show. What an idiot. He's also said he's not coming back. Well, wait, so in the episode, he sort of says, like, this is the end of my time on camera. And then TMZ or some of the other outlets were reporting that, like, Wes is not coming back to somewhere else. And it's like, no shit, of course he's not coming back to somewhere else. But even the article that I read, it was like, he's. They're open to cameos or whatever. And I do believe that they will bring him for cameos or like an extended role or some sort of role on in the City. Because I don't think they're going to get rid of Amanda on In the City. And if she is still dating west in the fall, like, that would mean he would make appearances. We know that west is willing to film with. Or Kyle's willing to film with West. Lindsay's obviously willing to film with Amanda. Kyle and Amanda are still close. So I. My conspiracy theory is, like, Kyle and Lindsay know that this is great for ratings, so even if they hate west and Amanda, I think they want to keep the door open because they think it might be good for the show. So I'm not saying that I want that or that's what they should do, but if I'm looking at it as, like, a reality TV kind of expert, it seems to me that that would make the most sense. Now, the one sort of wrench in the armor, I think, is that west seemingly. And Amanda seemingly has pissed off the producers of the show by being so catatonic at the reunion. And so that might be the thing that, like, really keeps them off in the City. But I think it totally makes sense that they want to be back on Summer House because the other people, especially all the newbies, the KJs, the MIA, the Bailey, the Ben, they seem to hate Amanda and West so much that it doesn't make sense for them to be on Summer House. But on in the City, it's like they don't even have to be in under surveillance in a house. They could just film when they need to film. So I would imagine producers are like, oh, well, we can keep Amanda on. They could film the scenes. Plus those other people. Who are those other people? The new ones, ones that we were just getting to know. They'll film with west and Amanda if they have to. What the fuck do they care? They don't. They need the show to take off as well. And so they're gonna need something for season two. For in the City. So my prediction is that Amanda will stick on in the City, west will make appearances there, and they'll either set up for west to join more full time or they'll set up for Amanda to fully leave and they'll be done with that saga after the next season. But I do believe they might appear next season in the City again. I'm not saying that's what I. I'm just saying that's what if I was, that's my expert opinion. Am I an expert? I don't know who's to say? But I would guess that's what's gonna happen. I don't know. And they do sort of need something on in the City because some of those other people, I'm like, I. They're. Who are they? I don't care about them. Do I care about Kenny's long lost, whoever he's looking for? Not exactly. I don't care about that. So, you know, they're gonna try to give us something that we care about. And even the people I know, people, people hate watch these shows. And so even like the Amanda and West of it all, I see a lot of people online be like, I'm never watching this show again. Or I'm, I, I can't watch this. What, what Amanda and West did. But then it's like the ratings say otherwise. So there you go. People say, oh, I hate them. I'm never watching the show again with their on it. And then it's like they keep watching every reunion episode, the aftermath episode, the bonus episodes, the after show. You know, it's like everybody's tuned in for all of it. They're posting west podcast clips, screenshotting Instagram photos and being like, I'm never watching this again. But then there's screenshot in the and so it's like, obviously people are hate watching and that's a thing. And Bravo knows that. They do know that. So I think really the trick is if you really hate someone on these shows, like, if you really despise west and you're like, I never want to watch that Yosemite Sam ass again, then you really got to just like stop engaging, you know? And I say that as someone who's engaging currently because I'm on a microphone talking about what's in Amanda. So what the fuck do I know? I got to shut my ass big ass mouth too. Anyway, I'm trying to shut my big ass mouth. But moving on, we are going to get through this episode. We're getting through the season so then people. Lindsay says Amanda has to go through it, not around it. And what she's saying is like, you need to watch the episodes. That's another way of her saying, like, watch the episodes on that plane. Now. Amanda says going out with Wes made her feel young and herself again. She was out mid-20s when she met Kyle. And she's like, I found myself again. And it's like, you didn't really find yourself at all. You found West. She's like, I felt such a euphoric feeling. It was hard to think rationally. I. You know, I felt watching this episode just made me feel like they were all so immature, like Amanda. And obviously we see it on the show, but I'm like, she just seems so lost and immature. I don't know. Immature is the only. I didn't want to say because she's not young. Like, they're not young. They're old enough. They're adults. And it just felt so immature to me in a way that not even. Yeah, it just felt like immature. I was like, oh, yuck. And it does. Lindsay says it doesn't excuse going after the one guy who kept breaking Sierra's heart. And I. That was the other frustrating thing that I don't. I feel like they weren't even acknowledging the Sierra of it all. When Lindsay sat down with Amanda, it was just like, about how Amanda was the victim. And I'm like, but you're not the victim. And then Amanda's learning for the first time in the scene that west is saying that she pursued him. And she's like, that's such. And I think she was hooking up with them. And then. I don't know. I think they were hooking up. And then she's trying to act all coquettish, like, oh, how did this happen? I don't know how this happened. Oh, how did I start hooking up with West? And it's like she knew what she was doing, and she. So I'm not saying she pursued him or he pursued her. I think they were just started hooking up. And then she was trying to act like it happened to her. Like it was a mistake that happened. Like, I don't know if that doesn't mind making any sense. She's acting like everything that's happening on the show and with the audience and everything is like, I don't know how this happened to me. And just how did this happen? And it's like, I don't think anyone tricked Amanda. I think she was just being a dumb ass. And so was the other one. And Lindsay's like, so he manipulated you? And Amanda's like, those aren't my words. But she was agreeing to it. And I was like, actually, this is pissing me off even more. Like, the fact that we're all acting like west was some mastermind. And again, west isn't the worst. The worst. The worst. But I'm not trying to act like Amanda is just like, accidentally, how did this happen? She's the victim situation. Because that's like, was not for me. That wasn't not for me. Lindsay asked why Amanda didn't shut it down. And Amanda's like, I was just selfish about feeling good for the first time. It felt good for having a man caring about me. And she's in tears. They did talk about Wes Little Wee Wee, which I liked. That's right. Because the. The pictures leaked. And I liked that it was. I like that Lindsay. And they kept it in. You know, they edit the out of these episodes. So you know what editor was like, oh, should we keep the part in about west having a little dick? Like, should we keep that in? And they're like, yeah, why not? Like, let's leave it in. Why not? Amanda says she doesn't remember much about the reunion because when she gets yelled at, she retreats and disassociates and she's like, that's how I got through most of my marriage. And it just feels like more of like, okay, like. And we were all sympathetic to Amanda in her marriage. Like, we were all on her side, but, like, grow the fuck up. Like, you're. I'm tired of infantilizing her. Amanda says she felt. Am I using that word right? Infantilizing? Maybe I'm the one who needs grow up. Because I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it right. Who's to say? Who's to say? Then Amanda says she felt unlovable and she'd be alone all her life. And Lindsay, thank God, was like, you have to work on your self worth. You're getting self worth from Kyle and now west, hoping these guys are the reason you have self love. And you gotta do that on your own. And she does. She needs to love herself. She don't need a man. She could buy herself flowers. I can buy myself flowers. In the words of Miley Cyrus and Luann covering Miley Cyrus. I can buy myself flowers. I can buy myself flowers. I can buy myself flowers in the gravel. In the gravelly sing song voice of Countess Luann. You can buy yourself Flowers. And you need to love yourself, girl. Lindsay says Wes manipulates women because of how he touches them with his. You know, because his grippers. He's got those dirty grippers where he's always, like, grabbing at him. And we saw it on the show in the last half of the season where he's just always hugging Amanda and grabbing her side flanks. Which I just recently learned that flanks is actually a medical term, which is shocking to me and very upsetting, because flanks is not a word that I care for. But west is touching everybody with those dirty grippers. And, like, it makes Lindsay saying, oh, it makes you feel loved or whatever. And it's like, you all need to touch yourselves. That's what you need to do. If you're craving the touch so much, then go touch yourself. Come on. I mean, that's why. That's the immature thing that I'm saying. It's like, oh, everybody's acting so immature. Like, grow the. You all need to grow the fuck up. Like, get away from that man. Grow the up. And he's obviously. The problem is he's also needs to grow the up. Amanda says she told Wes she wants to have kids soon. Like, girl, girl. Lindsay's like, do you know how many boyfriends I've talked about marriage and kids with literally every guy? And the truth is, Amanda, you should not even be thinking about kids with that man. And I don't. No one can. Somebody needs to step in. Doesn't she have a therapist? Somebody needs to step in saying, you're gonna have kids with West. Okay. Pissing me off. Oh, you dumb shit. Why are they all being dumb shits? Amanda says she hasn't dated since she was 24 years old. Yeah, you need to go date yourself, and you need to grow up and mature a little bit. Lindsay says west is already embarrassing her because he's calling Mija, and he fucked Mija in March. Cheated on Amanda. Yeah. And Amanda, as Lindsay says this, she's like, yeah. And it's like, okay. Like, what are we all doing? Obviously, she's not learning anything. And the other issue that I had with this scene was like, I actually. Okay, I'm not saying. How do I put this, Amanda? In some ways. In some ways, I want to watch my phrasing because people twist what I say. But in some ways, I think Amanda might be worse because she's in the scene throwing west under the bus to save herself after being such a mess. And it's like, well, I don't know. I don't want to Say, worse than Wes. But it's like, now she's throwing west under the bus. Like, it's so diabolical that she ruined her whole life, ruined her friendship with Sierra, did all these diabolical things, and then now the one person she did all these diabolical things with, she's throwing him under the bus to save herself because she's such a fucking mess. And then she's lying to everybody because she's then still going travel with that man. Pissed off, Lindsay tells Amanda she was winning and everyone was against Kyle. And it's like, yeah, the show. The audience was like, on Amanda's side. And then she just fucked it all up. And she's like, I just want to be loved. And it sucks. I fought for so long with Kyle, and it felt like I just feel really fucking stupid. She said. And Lindsay says, you should feel stupid. And thank God, because that's what we were all shouting at home. You should feel stupid. You should. You should. Lindsay tells Amanda to separate from West. She's like, he's gotta go. He's gotta go. And Amanda says, I know, I know. Then we get to seven days later, May 20, 2026. Kyle's at home. West arrives in his dumbass outfit. Kyle's in his lover boy merch. A lot of awkward dog banter, but the dog knows west, which is again, the most shocking thing I've seen. And they talk about how the friendship had been on camera, so they figured they should do this conversation on camera. And Wes is like, well, this. My TV career is over, so whatever. Again, I think he will appear on in the City. I'm not saying I want that, but I think it'll happen. Wes should have taken off his shoes, too. They're in New York City. And the fact that they're just walking into apartments in New York City with their shoes on, electric chair. West says the footage of them playing basketball made him rethink things. You know, men are. Can be. Men are so straight guys. That's. It's like. That's the thing that made him rethink all of it was like Kyle posted some Instagram footage of all the guys on Summer House playing basketball in the pool. And Wes is, like, seeing that footage made me rethink everything. And I'm thinking, what the fuck? Like, not. Not what Sierra's telling you made you rethink everything. Not with the audience. Not what. Not all the crazy shit you're doing made you rethink things. It was just Kyle posted an Instagram video of you Playing basketball with these men that were cast on the show with you, and that made you rethink everything. What Wes said, he lied to everyone. Understand how he's discredited. Meanwhile, Kyle's thighs are out. And I'm a thigh guy. And, you know, I think Kyle's very attractive, very handsome man. And seeing those short shorts and the thighs in the scene, I was distracted. So I don't even know what I think. Kyle was saying something about worrying about Amanda because he still loves her. But I was watching him with the dog on the lap and the thighs out. Love a thigh. I'm a thigh guy. Love a thigh. Love a thigh meat. So I was looking at the thigh meat. I'm sorry. I was distracted. Kyle told Amanda not to do a podcast. She was gonna do a podcast. And Kyle said, no, don't do that. You don't watch the season or the reunion. And it was probably call her daddy. That. That's what I imagined she was gonna do. Right? Because she probably got offers to do all the big ones. And that's the one. She was probably like, I'm gonna do that. Lord knows it wasn't everything iconic because I wouldn't invite that dumbass on the show. I did interview her and Kyle once on the podcast years and years ago, but after this, I'm not really interested. Although even people who hate Amanda, I bet if she goes on a podcast, it'll be the most downloaded episode because people listen even though they hate her. Kyle tells west how touchy west was with Amanda and Sierra in the season with his dirty grippers. And Wes is like, that's fair. That's a learning lesson. And I can't believe that Kyle's being the moral authority in anything, let alone something on Summer House. Kyle's like, well, I've never had a full blown secret girlfriend because they're now they're talking about the MIA of it all. And everybody's like, yeah, you had a full blown secret girlfriend the whole season. Yeah, and apparently they were exclusive and Wes led her on. Wes agrees. He lied to everyone. And we are treating this like a crime. And it's almost like we're. This whole thing with the music and the editing. We're acting like it's an episode of, I don't know, CSI or something. And they're all just dummies. They're all just immature dummies. And we're acting like we're watching, I don't know, big little lies or something. It's interesting to me. Kyle says Amanda should Be single. And Wes says he brought it up. He's like, yeah, she probably should be single. And Kyle's like, well, I'm worried you're going to break her heart. And Wes says, for three years they had a friendship, and he has feelings he doesn't regret. He's not going to be faithful. And he said he loved her in summer. But this is another immature thing, because when Kyle's like, oh, do you love her? He's like, yeah, I said I loved, loved you in the summer house. And it's like. Then they showed the flashback, and he just was, like, in their room saying, yeah, I love you, Amanda. And Kyle's like, well, are you in love? Are you. You know, like, it just. It felt very immature. It felt like high schoolers talking about, did you say I like you? Or did you say I love you? And it's like, you know when you're in a young relationship and you maybe say I love you or something, but, like, you don't really know what it is? Am I making sense? It just felt very immature to me, the whole. Everything about it. Watching this episode, I'm like, God, they all seem so. Like they need to all grow the fuck up. And Kyle keeps saying, if I'm being honest a million times. And I know we all have our vocal tics, but I think because they weren't breaking it up with confessionals, I noticed how many times Kyle's like, well, if I'm being honest, and west isn't in love but loves her. I guess that's what the conclusion they came to. Kyle says he cares about west and Amanda. And then Kyle's like, you need to apologize to mia. And then seven days later, May 27, Sierra's at home, and Mia arrives, and they have mimosas. Sierra says, I'm trying to read my notes. Baby was crawling over me when I was taking notes. So I'm reading it, I'm like, what are these words? It just says, like, my son was like, click clacking on the computer. And so there's just letters strung together. We had a rough. You know, we had family in town. I'm going to take us a little detour for a minute. We had family in town, and then it was so hectic. We had his first birthday party. It was like a lot. I had a lot of personal work stuff going on, plus visitors in and out of my brother and his family. My parents came, and a lot of them sort of overlapped, but then we're here separately. And then Matt's mom Was here for like a. And she was staying with us. And on her last night it was so fun having her here because she's so great with our son and helping out at the house. It's nice to have family visit because we normally don't have any help with the baby. So it's Matt and I kind of splitting all the responsibilities. But then having family in town, you know, you could kind of. They want to feed the baby, they want to put the baby down for naps and watch the whatever play. And everything had been so hectic and Matt's mom was leaving the next morning and the night before she left, she's like, I'm gonna give the b a bath and read him and put him down. And I was like, oh great, I'll get to go to bed early and have relax a little bit. And so she brings him into the bathroom and she's getting him ready for his bath. And I'm like watching from the hallway thinking like, oh, this is so nice and sweet, you know, like watching my son with his grandma and she's helping out and I get to go to bed early and I'm having like a really kind of emotional moment thinking like, oh, this is so nice. I'm so happy that my son has so many people that love him and a great grandmother who's here. Not a great grandma, but you know, a wonderful grandmother who wants to do all these things. And so then I'm watching him having this heartfelt moment and she's taking off his diaper and filling up the bathtub with the water and she takes off the diaper and then he just starts, I'm sorry to say this pooping after the diaper's off. And so of course it makes her scream. And then I can laugh about it now, but so it makes my mother in law, she's like, ah, you know, as it would anyone because the poop's coming out with no diaper on. It's going on the bathroom floor. And then it made him go more and then it made him scared. And so we had. It was like a whole. Then it was like it was crying. It was the whole thing. It was the whole to do. But I was having this real motion moment, like, oh, look how sweet this is. And then he just like just shat all over the bathroom floor and we had to throw the rug away. Like, oh goodness, goodness. Just pooped all over. Just let it all out without the diaper on. Just then of course they had to clean everything. I literally pooped on he pooped on my mother in law's foot. Like it was like with everywhere. It was everywhere. Like that. More poop than ever out of them. That little, little guy. But luckily he was okay after that. But you know, he got frightened, Frightened and then, okay, where are we at here? So the Sierra scene, you know, I don't even know if I want to talk. This pissed me off too. Jesse sort of knew they should have flashbacks thing from the summer house season. And didn't Jesse say something about like, oh, how's Mia? How's mihop doing? Is she. How's she doing? You know, and I thought, caught, caught. Jesse Solomon caught your ass. And I know everybody, everybody's been saying, I keep saying everybody's reaching out to me, saying, Jesse's nice now, but he's nice. We like Jesse now. He's nice. But I saw that flashback and I think Jesse had some. He obviously knew about the secret girlfriend because he said to west in the flashback scene, how's Miha doing? Is that Miha texting? What's going on with her? He said that. I saw it in the flashback. Cut. The other thing about her though, that this was frustrating me, that she said she talked to him six hours after the reunion. And I just thought, like, okay, like, I don't, I. That seems very, that seems crazy. That's crazy to talk to west for six hours. I'm sorry, that's just crazy. And so, like, I can't be on your side if you don't love yourself. Like, I, you need to first find love for yourself and ditch this man. And then maybe I could get on your side. But for right now, like, I, I can't get on her side because I'm like thinking six hours after the reunion and I don't care if she yelled at him for six hours or what, like, you need to grow the up and get rid of this man. Like, what are you doing? It's not like they're acting like he's some. I don't. Gorgeous. A perfect man. And I'm like thinking, why would you ever talk to that man for six hours? Because I've seen that man. There's nothing he's saying for six hours. He doesn't even have a declarative sentence in him. So. In what. What are you even saying to him? You're obviously just talking. And if you want to talk for six hours by yourself, then guess what? Start a podcast, baby girl, because you do not need to be talking to West Wilson for six hours. Because I know he's not saying anything back to you. So how about you take to the microphone and at least maybe you can earn some. Some coins by doing it that way. Talk about west on a podcast. Say everything you need to say, and then release it to the world like the rest of us, because there's nothing you need be saying on the phone for six hours to West Wilson six hours after the reunion. It's absurd. And then she's saying, I stuffed feelings for him, so it's hard to disconnect. And I'm like, this is weird. Why is anyone still talking to him? Get rid of him. Ditch him. Love yourself. And it was like, after they went to Italy, and then they were talking about, like, the secret sex being hot. I'm like, have you seen him? Like, what? Like, I can. I can sort of maybe understand the idea of, like, secret sex being hot, but, like, with West. Come on, that's. Come on. No, that's not a true statement. That's just not true. And so I'm not gonna. You're not gonna pee on my leg and tell me it's raining? Because I don't buy it. I don't buy it, Wyatt. I don't buy it. There's no secret sex with Wes Wilson. No. Because you just know after. After spending enough time with that man watching these shows, and I think, baby, I've said this. You know, there's crumbs in that beard and the chest hair. There's crumbs. I. I know it. I know it. I know he doesn't wash his butt properly. I. I'm sure he doesn't clip those toenails. Good. Those lower grippers are probably like talons. Okay? You can see it in that man. Look at him take a good gander at Wes Wilson. I guarantee he's not washing that asshole properly. He's probably not applying deodorant in the right way. I know there's crumbs in the beard and the scraggly beard and the chest hair, whatever straggle chest hair he's got on that. That chest of his. And so I don't know what's in there. Probably a Chips Ahoy cookie crumbs and some lay's potato chips, which no shade delays or Chips Ahoy, but I'm sure some of those crumbs are in there leftover from days and weeks, because I don't feel like that man bathes all that well. And he probably smells. I've never smelled him, but he probably does. And so what do you mean, the secret sex with that kind of man is hot. It's like, would you fuck Yosemite Sam and hide it from Bugs Bunny and then brag about how it's hot? No, think about it. Think about it. Let's say you're Lola Bunny. Let's imagine it in these Looney Tune terms. Let's imagine you're Lola Bunny from Space Jam 1, the original. And you know, you and you and Bugs have this flirtatious relationship. And then Lola goes and fucks Yosemite Sam. And she's doing it behind Bugs back. And then she goes and tells her friend, I don't know, Daffy Duck and Porky Pig. She sits down with them and it's like, oh, the secret sex is really hot with Yosemite Sam. They'd be like, girl, what the fuck are you talking about? You know, like, that's not true. Because it's Yosemite Sam. There's nothing hot about that. Okay, anyway, how did we get here? How did. How did I. Anyway, they need to love themselves, she said. Also, she cut the cord after the Italy thing. It did feel like they're setting her up for next season of Summer House. They're like, let's have fun. I can't wait for us to have fun. We're trauma bonded now. We're gonna kiss courtside. And. And I felt gross. I did. By the end of that, I felt gross because I'm thinking, oh, they're setting. I feel like they rehabilitated Amanda for in the city. Not that it worked on me, but that's what they were trying to do, I'm saying. And then set up what's her face to join Summer House. And I'm thinking, like, I don't want her to join Summer House. Now after getting to know her a little bit, I'm thinking she needs to go love herself first. And then maybe she'd sign up for reality TV show. 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I'm again, we didn't get to say this when I was talking about the summer house, but I am glad it's over. I've had enough. It's too much. It's. It's just they've milked that. They milked the cow, they've beaten the horse. It's enough. And I can't hear not one more thing about it. And that's why I'm gonna have trouble going forward within the city because I just, I've lost the ability to care Now I have especially like the main one that I've been interested in is the Sierra of it all. And she's not even on in the City. So we're like, what the fuck do I care? I don't want to watch Amanda be Amanda. I don't know, you know, Danielle was sort of on to Amanda with the in the City. I feel like Danielle is vindicated with in terms of Amanda because she hates Amanda. And it was at least nice to see on in the City like somebody because I think on in the City what was interesting this week when Amanda was throwing that event with Kyle is like she in outside of the cameras, I think thought that she filmed while she was filming in the city. She's like, I'm gonna look like the victim and everyone's gonna love me. And so I think she thought she had the upper hand on the entire cast. But even someone like Danielle, she probably thought, oh, the audience doesn't like Danielle and I'm gonna be coming out of Summerhouse where I'm like the big victim. Everyone's gonna be cheering for me, rooting for me. And now that it's airing. It's like the complete opposite of that. And I'm watching and be like, good. Get her, Danielle. You know, like, so that's what's most interesting to me is like the behind the scenes mechanics. Anyway, I'm glad it's over. Moving on to the Valley. Let's play a clip from this week's episode. I actually thought this week's episode of the Valley was great, but let's play a clip of Brittany and Kristen sitting down talking about Nia on the Valley. I guess it just hurts my feelings because I felt like that for a while. Like, when it comes to me, I'm not allowed to have an opinion or say anything. You absolutely are anything. When it comes to Nia, I think Kristen has blind loyalty. She, like, immediately goes on the defense for Nia. Nia did not need her defense. I'm the one that's struggling and in so much pain. Like, she didn't even think about what my feelings were. Sometimes she just seems so performative and that's what hurts my feelings because I know she's a good person because I don't see that at all. Brit Bananas was finally giving the business to Chris and Doty. She said, I'm the one who just went through. My body is in pain. I got my ball sacks trained and I just had that makeover. I need. I need you to have my back. And so Britney was just finally giving her the business and I was on Brit Banana's side. I was, you know, I'm rooting for her this. This season. Even though a lot of you are yelling me about that. I. I was happy she sat down because it does feel like Kristen has some sort of blind loyalty to Nia and Dani. And it seems like not only Britney is telling Kristen that in the scene, but it feels like every one of the cast members is saying this in a roundabout way. Whether that be in the confessionals, the interviews outside the show, the after show, like, that's what they're all saying. And we can see it too, with their own eyes. It feels like very much like Kristen and Luke seem to have this, I don't know, alliance or something. It's hard to watch. Michelle did confirm that she's dating Dr. Dre. Do you guys see that? That's right. She had a secret and came out. My baby's got a secret. Not a secret. She's dating Dr. Dre. She confirmed it because we all saw the paparazzi photos. And then Michelle came out and said, yeah, we are. And I'm keeping it private, and I need to know more. And, gosh, do you think there's a world where Dr. Dre could appear on the Valley? Like, I'm not saying he'd be, like, an official cast member or something. Like, I don't think we're gonna see Dr. Dre in the opening credits of the Valley when they're singing it's all right. You know, the only. Although, wouldn't it be great if he remixed the song, the theme song, that terrible theme song they have? And it's just like he puts a rap in the middle of it, so it's like, I'm all right. And then all of a sudden, we hear Dr. Dre come in rap. And, like, that would be amazing. That would be amazing. But I don't think we're gonna see him, like, with a hose, like, hosing down a car or something in the opening credits of the Valley. But I could imagine a world where maybe he appears once or something once or twice for Michelle. Because, Michelle, I'm sure producers are saying, hey, Michelle, if you want to be on the show, that's your real life going on, we need to have Dr. Dre sign a release and get him on camera. Get him on came to camera. And so then Michelle would have to go to Dr. Dre and say, hey, honey, I'm filming this TV show. Do you mind showing up in front of the red light and doing a cameo for Britney's, I don't know, crab boil before she has a major surgery or whatever the event is that they're during next season? I don't know what it'll be, but I'm sure Brittany will throw an inappropriate event before major surgery. There's one thing I know. She's gonna throw an absurd event and then have a major surgery. So against doctor orders, the only doctor she might be listening to is Dr. Dre. Because I've seen Brittany on TV for upwards of a decade. More than a decade, probably. I don't know when she joined Vanderpump Rules, but if there's one thing I know about my Brit bananas is that my Kentucky muffin is not gonna listen to a lick of the instructions that a doctor gives her. Whether she's got an ulcer and the doctor says, hey, don't go on vacation and drink and take shots, she's gonna do it. Or if the doctor says, hey, you're gonna have major surgery for mommy makeover. Probably shouldn't throw a crab oil less than 24 hours ahead of that surgery, she's gonna do it anyway. She don't give a flying Fuck. So maybe Dr. Dre could be the finally be the doctor that gets through to Brit bananas. You know, Maybe finally we'll have a doctor in the house that can save. British don't do these things, you know, that's my hope for next season. Okay, so we open this week with Danny and me at home. Danny's cutting cheese and making fart sounds. Someone lock him up already. Just we do a citizen's arrest. I don't know. Somebody on the cast. I would like it, actually. I know Janet might not be popular, but I wouldn't mind if she just did a citizen's arrest. Next time Danny is making fart sounds on camera, or what was later on the episode, he's like. He kept shouting when they were out for the birthday party in Mexico. He kept being like, let's go, let's go. I'm like, yeah, the only place you need to go is through a jail cell, because I can't watch you anymore, sir. Making the fart sounds on camera. And then every time they show that neighborhood with all the houses looking the same, I know they show that B roll and we've talked about a million times, but I get so uncomfortable. I literally get a visceral reaction. And again, I want to apologize to Santa Clarita because it's not about the Santa Clarita. It' that one shot they do of the overhead shot of Danny and Mia's neighborhood every time they film there, where it's like. It's very dystopian to me how every house looks exactly the same. And it's just like a line of exactly the same looking houses in Santa Clarita. Like, I get the chills just thinking about it. They gotta stop showing that shot. I do not care for it. I get a visceral reaction. And I literally only show up for, like, half a second, but I can't look at it again. Then we see Jason and Janet at home. Cameron's farting. And so it's like we had Danny at home fart, and then the Janet and Jason's son farting. And then we cut to Brittany's house, and I'm like, expecting her to fart because they just keep showing everybody farting. And so there was, like, a fart theme. And anyone who knows comedy knows that there's the rule of threes. And so Danny's making fart sounds in the opening scene. Then we have Janet and Jason's son making a fart. And then we cut to Brittany's house. It's like the rule of threes state that she's gonna be farting, right? So I was, like, waiting for her to let one rip, but instead she was just setting up the potty for the. For Cruise's training, I guess. But she's still got her, like, little bloody ball sacks. Kristen arrives. She had to get the baby the passport. And she sits down with Brit. And she says this when Brittany says that clip we played when they were talking to Nia. Nia hurt her feelings. And Nia hurt her feelings for not reaching out about her mommy makeover. And then she said, even Jesse and Lacey reached out. And for me, it was like, Ania just did all that stuff about the meal train for the show, and you were just so ready to defend Nia. I gotta talk about that meal train. Did you guys see last week on the show? We didn't talk about this because I didn't get a recap, but Janet brought over Brittany spaghetti in a bag. And we didn't get a chance to talk about it. It was shocking. That said, I thought it felt right because here's the thing. Janet's from Ohio, and Brittany is Brittany. And so if there's ever going to be two people on the Bravo network who are going to put spaghetti noodles in a bag and then eat those spaghetti noodles, it's going to be Janet and Brittany. Like, it just. It is. It is. And furthermore, when you make spaghetti, I. Gosh, how do I say this without sounding so declasse? When you make spaghetti, you can't just throw it in a Tupperware because it'll stain that Tupperware. Come on. We all know that. So you had to put it in a Ziploc bag. And so does it look sort of declassee, especially on camera, to bring spaghetti in a Ziploc bag? Sure, sure. But it also is like, what do you expect? What do you want? And Brittany ate it up. Because if Brittany is that kind of person that's gonna eat spaghetti out of a Ziploc bag. So it felt right to me. I know it was shocking to all of us, but when I really sat and thought about it, I thought, yeah, that's right. Then Kristin brings up Janet, and it's like, what's that saying? Let the mouse go. Sutton from the Real House, Beverly Hills. It's like, let the mouse go. It's like, I've had enough of. We need to kind of get some new storylines going. We need some new stuff happening. And that's why I was interested in the Britney vs Kristen situation, even though it was about Nia and Dani, at least it felt like a new dynamic of, like, Britney getting upset with Kristen, and she's like, I'm the one that's struggling. She didn't even think about what my feelings were. And that's what Britney says about Nia. And it is sort of funny that, like, you know, she did have electric elective surgery and, like, I'm rooting for Britney and of course, was thrilled that she had this elective surgery, but it wasn't like. It wasn't like she had emergency surgery. It was like she went in and got her implants removed and, like, which, again, God bless, happy for her. But it was elective cosmetic surgery. And so, yeah, you. Your friends should be there for you. But, like, I. I sort of was on, like, Nia's side of, like, well, what did you expect everybody to like, Nia's got a hundred kids at home. Like, she's kind of busy with them. I don't think she cares about your cosmetic procedure. Brit, you know I love you, but I just. That was one thing where I was sort of on Nia's side. I'm like, well, what did you. She did text her, like, seven days later or something and then offered to do a meal train or whatever. Is that what it's called? Meal train? I don't know. Brittany says that Kristen and Nia have a surface level friendship. She's like, when's the last time you went to her house? And Kristen, like, I talked to her every day. And Brittany goes on camera, caught. Got you. She caught her. She caught her. She said on camera, oh, Brittany, when she gets like that, I do like it. And then. But then Brittany sort of lost me. She said, I feel good around Danny sometimes. But then she's like. And sometimes I feel like, ugh, you know? Then we cut to Jasmine and Zach getting butt facials before Mexico for Zach's birthday, which is a sentence I never thought I'd say before, but here we are. They pour. They do the. They do the butt facials, which I didn't even know were a thing. And poor Zach has got the concave ass. And he says in the confessional, he's like, my ass has had years of wear and tear. And I love him. I love him. I love him on the show. And Benji told Zach that Danny was drinking at their party, and it was like Benji was a smoking gun. Cut by. Benji loved it. Benji. Ben. Benji caught Danny's ass. And so Zach tells Jasmine that as he's getting the butt facial. And then they talk about kids because Zach thinks he wants a kid, but Benji wants one now. And it's like a deal breaker for him to not have or to have kids. And you know what's interesting about this conversation is, like, having kids as a gay man is hard because you know how straight people out there, especially women, are so pressured into having kids and gays are pressured into not having kids. So there is a flip, which is very interesting that I think is playing out on this show. Because I think oftentimes when I talk to my straight girlfriends, especially around my age, it's like, they're so pressured you have a kid to better have kids now and whatever. And then the gay men that I know my age, it's like they're the. It's the opposite pressure of like, well, we're all going out to the bars partying and like, why would you have kids? Like, what are you having kids for? Like, we're all, you know. So it's a. It's opposite. But Zach cries during the butt facial, and the facial is just scrubbing his ass. And he's crying about the situation with Benji, which made me laugh because it's like, you're getting a butt facial and just like, in tears. Like, I want to have. I don't know if I want to have kids. Oh, I loved this this week. I really loved the episode I did. I felt good. I was like having fun. Felt like different drama than all that stuff going on in the summer house. So I was having a good time then. They're all packing from Mexico. Kristen and Luke are having a lot of. We're gonna get to their drama in a minute. But they're. They're packing and drama. We see Lala packing with Sosa, who's such a cute little kid. Danny and Nia with their hundred kids packing. Janet and Jason. Jason can't go because of the knee. Janet's mom's gonna help out with Cam, but Janet's gonna go because she's contractor for the show. So meanwhile, Brittany is going. Did you say she's getting those drains out? She said I'm packing bright colors. And Janet says she ordered banners for Zach's birthday because they're doing like a three person birthday thing. So it's like Zach's birthday, Schwartz's birthday, and then Daniel's birthday. Oh, Brittany says, my doctor said I could have drinks, my tubes come out. And meanwhile the dog is like licking her fake tits on the floor like she's Got those bubbies that were just sitting there. And it's like so funny to me. Like every time there's a Britney scene, I just laugh because it's so. You know what makes me laugh about it is like we've, we've been, we've been to the highest of highs. This shows a spin off of Vanderpump Rules, which was a spin off of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which is this glamorous show. So when you really think about it, like Beverly Hills is this glamorous show that we see, especially in the early days of Beverly Hills, these like really rich women and it's like they're shopping and going on these lavish vacations. And to think, like that's where the origin of this show is. And then we see Brittany on the third spinoff of the show saying, my doctor said I could have drinks, my tubes come out. While her dog is licking the pair of fake tits that she wore in the episode a few seasons or a few episodes prior. That's tv, that's art. And so I know that makes me laugh. Then we see at the airport, she's in the wheelchair at the airport too. She's got to be wheeled in. I'm sure she didn't want to go at this time because maybe they should have waited that this whole season feels like one of those an exercise and like we should have waited a couple extra months. Like they could have all healed from their surgery, from having their babies. It's like they're all being put through hell. Like Brittany having to be wheeled to her Mexico airplane after her post surgery. And then the other ones are wheeling their four month old just, just truly. And then they're going to Mexico and during the rainy time, so it's just like thunderstorm. The whole whole time they're there, Kristen's crying. She's an anxious traveler, which I get. I'm the same way. I'm an anxious traveler. And she said she was changing the diaper in the restroom and people were taking pictures of her with the baby. Like fans of the show. Which is kind of despicable, actually. Very despicable. Like, leave Kristen the fuck alone in a bathroom. And if you want a picture. Leslie Grossman always, I always thought this was wise words from Leslie Grossman. She always said that reality TV stars work for us. And so it's. You're allowed to ask for a picture, like with actors and stuff. Maybe you're not. Maybe you should keep a distance because they're offering like a talent, an art Right. And I know it comes with the territory of like the fame part of it, but like they are offering a different. They're not offering themselves, they're offering their talent. And when it comes to reality TV stars, like they're offering themselves as their talent. And so it is okay, like they sort of work for us and so. But not in a bathroom. Like there's. Come on in a bathroom. And you know, she's got anxious. She's an anxious traveler, so leave her the fuck alone. If you are a fan of the show, you should know that she's an anxious traveler and she's got the four month old baby with her. She's trying to change a fucking diaper. Come on, come on. Lala says there's something more going on. Meanwhile, Benji and Zach are having a Subway sandwich in the airport. Danny's wearing that long ass tank top from 2010. What's that? What are those tank tops he wears? Again? I'm not a fashionista, but I still feel like every time I look at him, he looks like he's going to a. What's American Apparel in 2010? It's like, that's where he's wearing that like extra long tank top. Those are what, you know what I'm talking about. Remember Justin Bieber used to wear those in 2011 or something. I don't know what year that was, but it was like the American Apparel. I'm like, Danny, we need to get him into a new store. Can we somebody take him to Zara on one of these episodes or something. Pop in a J. Crew or somewhere. I don't know, while you're at the airport, maybe they got a duty free shop that you can go shop in. Because every time I'm looking at Danny's outfits, it's like Nia even mentioned on the show, she's like, you need to throw away those jeans with the holes in them. And now I'm looking at that long ass tank top and he might have to shop at a children's section. That might be what? That might be why they're so long. Maybe they're not. Not the tank tops that I'm talking about. Those were very popular in the 2000 and tens. Like every shirt was a long shirt. And maybe Danny's just very short. And so like it's a regular sized tank top. But. But then maybe then you need to get your ass to the children's section. Like hop in a Macy's and go to the children's section and like find something that fits because that long ass tank top. I'm like, what is that? If it is just an adult sized tank top and that's how it fits on you, then maybe you need to go to one of those shops which no shade, we love a short king, but maybe start shopping at a JCPenney children's section and get something that fits. They got two vans from the airport, one with the babies and one without. Because the cast members without the babies are like, oh fuck, we gotta go on a cast trip with these babies again. Like, you know, they're pissed about it. They don't want to. They, and they can't say that on camera. But that's the other secret that nobody's saying. The thing that's going untalked about is that not. They sort of. I think somebody said on that van, maybe Lala or it's like, I don't want to be in a van with the babies. Somebody said it. But what they all feel that way. Like every one of those customers like, oh fuck, we gotta travel with a four month old baby because it makes everything harder. And I say that as someone who's the same baby, the same age as those, those gals. So I understand it. But I also understand that the single people and the people without the babies, they don't want to be traveling with a four month old. They just don't. And they can't say that because then they'll look like monsters on camera if they're all like, oh fuck those babies. But you know, they're all thinking it like Benji. Even the nice sweet Benji, you know, he's sitting there thinking like, oh fuck, fuck, fuck. We just learned earlier in the episode that Benji, a deal breaker for him is that he wants children. But I know, I bet my bottom dollar that Benji does not want those babies on that chaos trip. He's like, oh fuck, I gotta travel with that four month old fuck. But he can't say that because then everybody would turn on Benji, you know, but they all think that. Then we cut to the hotel. Kristin's super anxious. Brittany's ready to make out with somebody. She can only make out though because she's still obviously recovering. Jesse's credit cards decline at the. Which was confusing to me because I'm like, doesn't production pay for this? Like what's going on? I know they're not paying for their own hotels. Maybe it's. They had to put the credit card down for incidentals or something. But Michelle's like, I told you guys that he's broke and she's right and she should say it. She's right and she should say it. What is going on with Jesse's finances? It's all very odd. Schwartz, though, as they're checking into the hotel, he's like, Luke, let's drink in 10 minutes. And Kristen's like, tommy, he has a daughter now. I just had too many buttons on my sound machine and they went off at once. Sorry about that. That Luan just. That was like a lot of sensory overload. I apologize. I apologize. Anyway, yeah, Kristen's like, tommy, he's got a daughter now. Meanwhile, Zack, Benji, and Schwartz are all rooming together. I love this trio. Jesse calls Lacy and Lacy obviously hates Jesse. Very clearly, very clearly. And I think Jesse sort of likes it. And getting to see him and Michelle together, they were showing a spark, by the way, in this trip, on this cast trip, which, you know, my prediction, but I, my prediction was that Michelle and Jesse hook up next season on the final cast trip. But I'm watching this episode, I'm like, oh, maybe it happens this season. Was I just a season off? Because they were showing sparks and Lacy wasn't there yet. Anyway, Jesse calls Lacy. He's like showing her the room, view from the room. And she's like, yeah, I've been there before. Like, I don't care about that. And then Kristen and Luke are just fighting in their room and Kristen says, I'm sure you're in your perfect world. You go out and I just stay here with the baby. Is this. Well, you want to get up so you can't see straight and just go out and we have a baby. And Luke says in the confessional that Kristen puts doubt in his mind about him being a good father. And he says to Kristen, I've been hungover once in two weeks. So what? And Kristen's like, yeah, you have a baby. And I, I'm, unfortunately, I am on Kristen's side with this because I just feel like at a four month old, I like, you don't need to be going out so late that you're so drunk. I just feel that way. And Kristin's got the sister and the brother in law there to help. But, you know, the baby's four months. It's just four months old. Four months old is like not old at all. And so it is hard. This is Kristen's first baby. Like, I'm on Kristin's side because I understand, like, even if you do have help, you're still sort of like wanting to be there because their baby's Only four months old. And Kristen even said, I think in the confessional or sometime in the episode, she said like, yeah, I worked so hard to get this baby to have this baby. Had to go through all those IVF treatments or was it IVF that she did? She did a bunch of treatments to get the baby and now the baby's here. She. It's hard for her to just be like, oh yeah, somebody watched the baby. And I get that, you know, at the pool, Zach, Benji and Schwartz are getting ready for schwartzapalooza. That's gonna be the first birthday event. Or in the words of Zach, Birt Day. He keeps saying birthday, birthday. You know what? God bless. I can't hate on that because I sometimes pronounce things wrong. But he did say it a million times. It's our birthday. And I'm like, is it Bert day or birthday? Where's the th. Brittany's getting ready. She's like, I'll make out with anybody. And then it starts raining at the pool and Zach's asked the bartender for a shower cap because you don't want to get that Lego hair wet. And God bless. You know, he fixed the hair from season one. Everyone gave him so much shit about the hair. And so now he's got good looking hair and he don't want to fuck it up at the pool. So I understand that Kaya's crying for two hours straight, making Chris nuts. And you know, babies take off our energy, you know, like they. I think if you're an anxious and we haven't traveled the baby and I'm sure as soon as we do that baby, our baby's gonna be a mess because I'm an anxious traveler. So the baby's probably going to pick up on that because they do pick up on your energy. And I was uncomfortable with Kristen and Luke in these scenes as an audience member watching them fight, I felt uncomfortable. So I could only imagine the baby too. I didn't like it. Watching them argue for all that time. I was like, I'm getting uncomfortable. They do the party though for Schwartzpalooza in the restaurant because it's raining. Schwartz is in a midsummer hat and a gay sash. No one else else is around. It's so depressing. It's just like a hotel buffet. And then Danny shows up and Michelle and Jesse are like, you look like an Orlando dad. And that's when I saw the spark between them. And Danny's just like, let's go. It's annoying me. Let's take one more break. And Then we're going to talk about. We got to talk about the rest of this fighting that was going on between Kristen, Luke, and everybody. I want to thank a cast. We'll be right back. Summer is supposed to feel relaxing, but somehow it becomes the busiest time of year. Everyone's making plans, you're trying to be outside more. There's barbecue every weekend, and the last thing you want to do is spend half your Saturday wandering through a grocery store looking for avocados that aren't damaged. And that's why I use Instacart constantly. I love my Instacart. It saves me time without making me sacrifice quality. It can set all my preferences in the app. I'm talking specific brands, produce ripeness, all my weird little grocery opinions. And the shoppers actually pay attention to that stuff, which is important because I can be pretty specific when it comes to my groceries. If I want a ripe avocado, I mean ready now, not maybe in 11 business days, especially during summer. It just makes life easier if people decide last minute to come over or I suddenly want to grill something. I can order ingredients in the morning and get a delivery through Instacart in as fast as 30 minutes. Makes me enjoy the day without spending it running errands in a parking lot. Melting. I also use it before trips because there's always something I forget. Sunscreen, snacks, coffee, toothpaste. All the things you're suddenly wondering where it's at and you're trying to pack. Instacart just helps take one more thing off my plate so I can focus on all the fun stuff instead. 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Like, he's got Benji, of course, but I just wish he's, like, the most interesting one on this show to me. And. And I just think he would thrive in an environment if they had. Or in Jasmine and Melissa, too. We need more lesbians. I just wish this would turn into, like, just a gay show. And, like, let's get rid of the straight couples, you know, that'd be fun. Can we do that? Is that. Is there a world we could do that? The girls talk to Jesse about Lacy yelling at him, and obviously they're like, yeah, she don't. She hates you. And then Luke brings Kristen a cheese quesadilla, and she's, like, not interested at all. You know, she's pissed at him because they've been fighting and arguing about. About parenthood. And I was kind of distracted by this quesadilla. You know, I love a quesadilla. And the words. Immortal words of Nickelback, I'll have the quesadilla. They sing that in their. Their song I'll have the Quesadilla. You know that song Rock Star by Nickelback? I used to have that on the soundboard. I don't have it on here anymore, but it was just. That's my favorite lyric from a pop song. I'll have the quesadilla, which Nickelback sounds like they kind of could sing the theme song to the Valley. I'm all right. I'll have the quesadilla. Anyway, the quesadilla had some, like, purple sauce on, and I was interested, and I would have liked to try it because I love me a cheese quesadilla. I went through a phase, actually, recently, longtime listeners podcast know that I went through a phase where I was, like, obsessed and addicted to quesadillas. It was, like, the only thing I wanted to eat for a while. I don't know what that was. And then I kind of got out of it. But I still love them. I still love them with all my heart, but it was just, like, a weird. There was, like, two Month, period of time where it was like, every night. I just want a quesadilla. Anyway, it was nice of Luke to bring in a hurricane. And if you ever want to get on my good side, just, like, bring me a quesadilla. I don't want onions on it or anything. Like, just a cheese or maybe chicken, a jalapeno, a good salsa on the side, lots of cheese. That's it. Just if you need a. If you piss me off and, you know, we need to make up, just bring me the quesadilla. And then I'll say, okay. Zach and Janet have a funny and cute conversation. I like them being frenemies. I have fun with them being, you know, her kind of saying, oh, we're best friends now. And Zach kind of rolling his eyes and get pissed about it. I like that. It's fun. It's chemistry, actually. It's chemistry. And I think those two have, like, a sick. Sick and twisted chemistry that I'm into. And then Kristen, Luke fighting. Kristen doesn't want to do. I don't think she wants to do this show right now. I was also distracted by Luke wearing the fanny pack on his back. I wrote my notes. Luke wearing fanny pack on back. Question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark. A lot of question marks because it, like, shocked me all of a sudden. He turned around. I'm like, what's that? Camo. Camo, fanny pack. I don't know. Danny and Jesse, meanwhile, are both giving Luke marriage advice. And I'm like, luke, run. Turn off your ears. You should not listen to those two. Jesse and Jesse and Danny giving you marriage advice is like, I don't know. Me giving advice about how to be straight. Like, that's not something you should listen to me talk about, you know? And so I hope Luke just didn't breathe in anything they were saying, because they do not have the answers when it comes to marriage advice. You go talk to literally anybody else. Anybody else, Any other human that's around. I know there weren't a lot of people at this resort. Go talk to the bartender, the hotel clerk, someone in the lobby, Literally anyone. Luke, let go talk to someone in the lobby. I'd prefer you talk to chatgpt. You know, I don't always support that. But you know what? Better than the other two, Literally anyone or anything else, it would be better than Jesse and Danny giving you marriage advice. Even talk to yourself. Talk to Yourself call a parent, call a sibling or a. Or even a wrong. Call a wrong number and get advice. That'd be better than listening to Jesse and Danny give you marriage advice. Just dial up any, you know, take out your phone. That's actually a good advice for anyone listening out there is if you are about to get marriage advice from Jesse Lally and Danny. What's his last name? Buco. If you're in finding yourself in that situation, you immediately take out your cell phone. I know you got a cell phone on you. You take out that cell phone and you just dial random numbers. You dial enough random numbers to get you somebody else on the other line. Depending on where you're located. I know you know, if you're in another country, you might have to dial more numbers or you might have to enter the area code. I don't know, depending on where you are. Just dial some numbers in there. Just hit some numbers while that, while Jesse and Danny are speaking and giving that advice. You just kind of block them out. You take out your phone and just start hitting buttons, start hitting numbers and then hit call. And then whoever answers say, hey, I need marriage advice from literally anyone who answers would be better than Jesse and Danny. Anyone. Just dial any old numbers. It doesn't matter because guess what? You're gonna get someone on the line that's gonna be better than giving you getting marriage advice from Danny and Jesse. So it doesn't matter who answers on that other line. Doesn't matter what number you call and what numbers you enter into your phone that get you another human or robot even. You know how sometimes you call up like a CVS Pharmacy and you call and it's like the robot voice and it's like, hi, this is welcome to CVS Pharmacy. Say to if you would like to speak to representative. And I would guess that it'd be better to just keep speaking to that robot, you know, then. Then Jesse and Danny for marriage advice. So just call up CVS Pharmacy. Just talk to the dog. Whether you connect to a pharmacist or not, you're gonna get better marriage advice than you would from Danny and Jesse Lally. So there you go, where are we at here? And Luke says if things don't approve, improve from here, there's not gonna be a wedding. I sort of forgot that they're not married. I know that I should know that. Janet, meanwhile, says she's bisexual and she's allowed to hook up with girls on vacay and she wants to fuck Michelle. And then there was a Flashback to her saying she was, she's gonna Dana remember on Vanderpump Rules. And I hope this happens. I would like to see Janet and Michelle hook up. I would, I think that'd be a fun storyline. I know Michelle's with Dr. Dre, so maybe, I don't know, there could be a menagerie or something like that. I don't know. Kristen goes to bed though, and Luke chases her with that camo fanny pack on his back. And they're in. Kristen says they're in different phases. Like Luke is 34, she's 43. He still wants to be kind of young. And I think a of new parents go through this where it's like kind of am I, am I still going out and having fun? Especially one of the things about Los Angeles is, can be frustrating and interesting is like there's a little bit of arrested development that happens because. And I think this happens in all major cities when it's so easy to go out like and, and I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying it's, it's a difference than I think of. Like when I was growing up in small town Ohio, it's like everyone sort of hits a certain point and then settles down, which I'm not saying that's the right way either, but I'm, but it's more common to just like you hit a certain age, then you start having kids, you marry, you settle down, you don't, you're not going to the bars. Whereas in a bigger city the bars are everywhere and you're kind of get used to that lifestyle like going out every night and all that. So not saying one's good or bad, it's just a difference. And I think Kristen is saying like Luke's sort of still in that mode. Meanwhile, Brittany's going to bed. She's like, I'm starting to hunch over so I need to go take off my shoes. I'll see you guys later. And then some of the group is still staying down in this hotel lobby. Michelle and Jesse are sitting next to each other. I'm feeling the spark. Schwartz says it's jarring for Kristen to be in a good relationship. And Lala says, yeah, I would do the same. Lala says she doesn't know a good relationship if it slapped her in the face like a dick. She says her words, not mine. Meanwhile, Luke's just in the hallway of the hotel and the chair alone texting. Hopefully he's texting like a chat or some Somebody else about marriage advice after he just heeded it from those other two yahoos. But he's just texting and then Britney sees him and she. Britney's defending Kristen. She's like. She's going through postpartum, and Luke says no one can cause pain like Kristen can. Something has to change. I am worried about those two. I'm worried about them because. Yeah, it just seemed. It seemed. It seems like they're just kind of on. What are the two different. What's that phrase? Two ships in the night or something? And sentiment. That's a phrase. Am I using it wrong? Probably. Probably. But I. They're on different pages. They are. And so I need them to either get on the same page or. I don't know. I'm worried about it, though. I'm worried about it. But we're gonna have to watch what happens live and go to bravatv.com for more information. That's the end of the episode next week. We're still in Mexico and we're still fighting and. And I hope it stops raining because there was something depressing to me about them having that party. Schwartzapalooza. You can't say call something palooza if there's only eight cast members in the scene and nobody else. It felt very Covid season to me. Remember those Covid seasons when they'd have the parties inside and they were. Ugh. Anyway, that's the episode. Thank you all so much for listening. This was a long one. I wasn't expecting to go so long. And here I should have split up the episodes. We did a summer house and a Valley separately because this was a long one. Anyway, I love you all so much for listening. And next week, I don't know. We're gonna be covering the Valley, obviously, going forward. Summer house is over. Thank God. I don't know about in the city. I think we'll touch on it, but I don't think we're gonna do full. And then maybe we'll throw in a housewife soon. I guess Atlanta's kind of wrapping up, isn't it? How. I don't know how many episodes. They're sort of mid season on Atlanta. They're probably just about mid season. Rhode island just wrapped up. What's the next one coming on? Maybe we'll have to do the next Housewives. Maybe we'll take it. We'll do Valley and then whatever the. I know a lot of people have been asking. They're like, why aren't you covering Housewives? And I can only do two shows at a time. You know, I get Papa Gets Tired, but maybe we'll cover. Whatever. What's the next one? Is Jersey wrapped yet or. Potomac should be wrapping soon if they're not wrapped already. Oh, Orange County's coming back. That's the 20th. They're doing like a 20th. It's like the 20th anniversary or something, which I can't wait for that Ultimate Girls trip they're doing. Also, Ultimate Girls Trip is coming in August. I do know that's on its way and I've heard good things about that, so I'm excited about that. But that's not here till August, so I guess Orange County's the next one. Should we cover that? I don't know. Sometimes it's fun to cover that one because we could drag them a lot. You know, it's fun. I know. We'll see. We'll watch. We'll have to go to bravotv.com for more information. I love you all so much for listening. Back. No, no, no it's all in front of you there's no turning back no, no it's only up to you There ain't nobody that I'm feeling more than you, boy so let's keep it moving make it go pop, pop, pop until my panties go drop, drop, drop up. Hey, I'm Paige Disorbo from Giggly Squad, and I want to talk to you about Arm and Hammer Hard Ball cat litter. Because when it comes to fighting cat odor, they are the champs. Like what? Smell the litter box was my biggest fear when I got my kitty, Daphne. But since I started using Arm and Hammer cat litter, I don't notice any cat smell. 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