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Danny Pellegrino
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So explore the Mediterranean escape collection@tumi.com or in store. Hello everyone, and welcome to everything Iconic with me, Danny Pellegrino. Today on the podcast, we're going to be covering this week's episode of Summer house. It's episode 10 of the season. Now, the scandal happened last week, actually, when I was recording the Summer House recap or episode last week, the news came out that Amanda and West were having this dalliance. They released a joint statement and we saw the joint statement as I was at the end of recording last week's Summer House episode. It was all breaking news. But in retrospect, it is so crazy that Amanda and West released a joint statement because I'm thinking about the mechanics of that. Did they use the Bravo PR or did they use personal pr? How did they decide to get together to do a joint statement? And then they sort of just went mia I think like west finally posted maybe yesterday or something, a post on his Instagram where he was like with a friend or something, acting like nothing happened. But there's like this whole scandal that's going on behind the scenes of Summer House and it really reinvigorated the show in a lot of ways because I'm seeing so many people who had never watched Summer House. They're reaching out to me and be like, where do I start? Where do I begin? Now, of course, I always think you need to start from the beginning if you can, if you have the time. But if you don't have the time, I still think you need to start from. My personal opinion is like starting from the COVID season because that I think is like one of the only shows that had a good Covid season because they locked them all in that house and just started rolling tape. And that was good. Everybody was going nuts in that house. And so it was good tv. And that's, I think when we had Hannah and Paige and Luke and Sierra was there. And so I think you get really get to know the players. But I would suggest starting as early as possible. I don't like this whole idea of like, we're on season 10 in real time. I don't like the idea of like, oh, I'm gonna start with season nine it's like, get the fuck out, electric chair. Absolutely not. What do you mean you're gonna start with one season? You're not gonna be. Then I don't even want to hear your opinion on it. Like, then I don't. Then you shouldn't even be allowed to give me any sort of opinion on what's going on in Summerhouse if you're just starting from a season back because you don't know. We've been in the trenches with these people. We were here from the beginning when one of the twins was throwing a watermelon in the house. And if you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, then go back and watch. And yes, that season, the early seasons were kind of bad of Summer House, I believe. But I don't want to hear opinions on the whole Summerhouse Scandal. If you just, like, just started tuning in this season or you went back three episodes and watched, it's like, get out of here with your hot take. We've been in the trenches, so I certainly want people to catch up if they can. And there's a lot going on. A lot of people are comparing it to Scandal, which obviously it's very different than Scandal. But I do think Scandival is interesting because it's sort of a blueprint for how this thing goes. And I think I look back on Scandal and I've learned so much about how the audience responds to this kind of scandal and merch and sponsorships. People are talking, talking about Carl and Lindsey getting together for this Uber Eats commercial. Now that, for instance, is There's a blueprint for that. Because when Scandival happened, then all of a sudden the Vanderpump Rules cast members are getting all these sort of brand deals. They did an Uber Eats commercial where, again, I just played a clip from it, remember, where they re recorded Good as Gold. It was like Ariana, Lala and Sheena. And so some people are saying, like, it's inappropriate for Carl and Lindsey to get together to film an Uber Eats commercial because they're like, oh, it's a friend. And there's chaos amongst their friend group, and it's not appropriate for them to be making money off of it. And I find that to be actually crazy because first of all, all these people signed up for reality tv. Like, this is their profession. And when you sign up for reality tv, like, you're not making tons of money from the network, unfortunately, like, you're making a lot of money off sponsorship deals. So we talk about that not only within the context of Bravo. But even if you go on the Bachelor these days, like, they're not going on the Bachelor for the paycheck that they're getting from the Bachelor. They're going on there to build up their social media following and then make a couple hundred grand off a sponsorship for Uber Eats or whatever it is. And if there's one thing I learned from Scandival, it's that none of the people on these shows are actually friends. They like to pretend they're like work friends. I remember I used to work in an office job when I lived in Chicago. I worked in this office and I had this good girlfriend there, and we would go get lunch every day and we were like office besties, right? And maybe once a quarter we'd go out on the town together outside of work hours, but otherwise we were close in the office. And then once I stopped working there, it's like we never spoke again. I don't even know where she is in life. I wish her well and I had the best times with her. But it's like, you know, when you have an office or a work best friend, that's different than, like an actual best friend. And these people, when they say they're like best friends with each other, what they mean is like, we're best friends amongst the cast, right? Like, we're best friends. Occasionally. Occasionally. I think there might be a couple of them who develop these really close relationships, or maybe they had a pre existing relationship before doing the show. But for the most part, it's like they're work best friends. And so when they're doing press and when they're in interviews, it behooves them all. And part of the whole gig is telling everybody in an interview like, oh, that's my best friend. Like, we're best friends. Because that's what the show is. It's about friend groups. And so when we hear them say, oh, we're best friends, it's like, that's all them playing the game. Does that make sense? And so if we've learned anything from Scandal, it's like, remember they were all friends. And how many. How many of them were friends? Like Lala and Sheena were saying, oh, we're best friends forever, you know, and then. Or Sheena and Ariana, we're best friends, you know, and these things happen. And then we come to find out they never speak again. And. Or cameras go down on any of these shows. Not just Vanderpump Rules, but any of the shows, they get canceled and then Maybe they come back together. I was just seeing on the Real Houses of Dallas, this is sort of a deep cut. But the Dallas Housewives, when some of them were getting fired from the show, you would see them in interviews. Maybe it'd be Carrie Duber or Cameron Westcott or. Who are some of the other ones? I forget. Even Leigh and Lockin, and they talk so much shit about each other and say, oh, we hate each other, we hate each other. And they never hang out, don't see each other, whatever. And then they get a gig where they come together again. So I'm noticing on the Real Houses of Dallas, I think they have some sort of, like, I don't know, a morning show or late night show where some of them, Cameron, Carrie Duber and Leanne, I think they are doing some sort of panel show. And so now all of a sudden, they're friends again, because it's like they're work friends. Does that make sense? So really, when the cameras stop, none of them are really. Not a lot of them are friends. And so my point with the Uber Eats commercial is like, yeah, make all the money right now. Because in five years, when none of you are speaking to each other because the cameras on the show are down or you're fired off the show, you're going to look back and be like, why didn't I make a couple hundred grand from that Uber Eats commercial? You know what I'm saying? Like, and I understand there is emotions and feelings involved in a scandal like this. And so you want to be respectful of someone like Sierra or. Or some of the other cast members who might going through something because of the scandal. But I think they all go into it knowing. I would imagine all of them understand the game of that, and they all should be making as much money as possible. I mean, last week on the podcast, I kept saying, like, Levi needs to get in the mix. And it's like, Levi is leaving money. I hate to focus on Levi. She's leaving money on the table. And so I'm telling her, like, girl, get in the game. Because you're going to be looking back on this time, say, why didn't I monetize as much as possible? Because none of these people are actually my friends. I was just cast on a show. And so Carl and Lindsey getting together, despite the fact that they broke off an engagement there, they've been in the game long enough to know, like, yeah, we need to strike while the iron's hot and make as much money from the Uber Eats people as we can. Milk those people for all it's worth. And so I think it's the. I personally think, like, yeah, that's what they should be doing. All of them should be making as much money as possible. And then, of course, I think, like, it's respectful to behind the scenes, maybe text Sierra and be like, hey, I'm doing this. Is this okay? And I would bet my bottom dollar that she'd be like, yeah, go do it. Because anyone who signs up for reality TV knows that this is, like, a. And they didn't do anything to Sierra. So, like, they. What did Carl and Lindsay do? Like, they didn't do anything to her. If anything, they're defending her honor, but, like, yeah, make some money off of it, too. What? Those idiots did that, you know? Idiots meaning Amanda and West. But it is shocking to me that, like, west and Amanda just, like, kind of went into hiding. You know, there were, like, paparazzi photos of Amanda. And then also I'm seeing, like, on social media, all these clips of Amanda flirting with Craig and flirting even with west on camera. There's, like, moments that I. I think we all didn't know, or I certainly didn't notice where I'm like, wait, that was inappropriate. And I've been calling out on the podcast, like, all the times that I thought Amanda was too close with that Ben fella, who. I am turning on Ben, by the way, But I always thought it was inappropriate this season, even when he was, like, lifting her when they had that carnival party. And then at one point, they were coming back from the club, and he was, like, lifting her over the doorway. And, yeah, Kyle was right there, but Bailey called it out. And once again, I'd say justice for Bailey. Bailey was right, because Bailey called it out and was like, oh, you two acting like you want to fuck or whatever. And then everyone gave Bailey a hard time. And it's like, actually looking back at all the footage, Amanda is acting that way inappropriate towards Ben. And then I'm seeing clips where she's acting inappropriate with west and with. It's like, what was going on there? Girl, you need to love yourself. You should go and love yourself, girl. I mean, what is Amanda? What's her deal? I know I'm seeing all these. I'm looking at it through a different lens, and I'm like, what the fuck was she doing? I would have been so pissed. I kind of get why Kyle is, like, pissed, because, yes, she was sort of flirting with everybody else. And then, yeah, there I saw a clip of her flirting with Craig she, like, gives. I don't know if it was social media or what it was like, she gives Craig a kiss on the, the cheek. And Craig was with Paige at that time. I don't know. There's like a difference between friendshipy kind of thing. But, like, I don't think it's appropriate. I don't think it's appropriate. But then, anyway, let's get to this week's episode we have. We open with New York City hubs is having her housewarming party. And her new house or apartment or whatever is gorgeous. She's got a pianist, which I love. I love the word pianist. And Bailey and Dara, Dara the explorer, they are getting into it because Bailey, she's first of all right about everything. And I just said justice for Bailey, but truly justice for Bailey because she calls it as she sees it. And I feel like she's the only truth teller on this fucking show because she is the one who is saying, yeah, like, Ben and Dara were in the room together. And last week on the show, Dara got all pissed. Like, I'm gonna confront Bailey about that and then come to find the footage. This week they show a flashback, and yet Dara and Ben were flirting with each other. And Ben was being inappropriate and saying like, oh, yeah, do you want to go in my room, girl? Like, what the fuck do you think Ben meant by that? He did in his accent, though, like, do you want a water bottle? You know, go in the room for a water bottle or whatever. Whatever the fuck he was saying to get her in the room. And then she was like, oh, you're trouble. You're trouble. It's like, that's flirting. Okay, I might have been out of the flirting game for a while because I've been with my husband for a long time, but I know flirting when I sees it. And Bailey does, too. And so Bailey called it out. And then Daryl asked because, like, I'm gonna confront Bailey and it's like, oh, we got the footage, girl. Dara, I know you're new to this. That's. I've been telling you I don't trust that, Dara. I've been telling, I've been saying that. I've been saying it, and I just don't, I just don't. And people have been yelling at me, too. A couple weeks ago in particular. Hopefully now people will start to see the light. But I, I, I don't know. She was trying, she was coming in swinging. And I think I'm just, maybe I'm just Really defensive of Bailey. I just love my Bailey. And Bailey was right about Amanda and everybody. Bailey's been right about everyone. And Dara did. I understand. Like, I'm not trying to say like Dara, she was more than okay to flirt with Ben. But there is something a little. I'm looking at you a little sideways. It's like we've seen you vibe now. Or flirt with Ben, KJ and West. Okay, that's three of them. West. Remember it was like that's how she came into this group because she said she dated west and then she was flirting with Ben and then with KJ and I'm sorry, but three out of how many men are in this house? I mean, the only one which she didn't was Jesse or the only one that she didn't flirt with. The only one she didn't flirt with who? Jesse and Kyle. Kyle's married. Which I know didn't stop Amanda from doing something sketchy. Or west. But I don't know. There's something. I find that weird. What you mean to tell me you just sort of accidentally flirted and hit it off with three of the men in this house? I don't trust him. I don't trust him. I don't. I want to be on Dara's side. I'm gonna, I gotta try to get on Dara's side a little bit because I feel like I'm being too hard on her. And obviously there's way worse people that we should be hard on on this show. We got bigger fish to fry, okay. Than Dara the explera. Anyway, I have turned on Ben and he shows up with Sabrina, his sort of ex who looks like Dara and I've turned on him. He kind of looks like spoiled milk to me. And Jesse even thinks it's weird. And when I'm siding with Jesse, like that's an issue because Ben brings Sabrina to this party and Jesse's like, oh, it's, oh, it's weird that he all of a sudden has this girlfriend and he didn't have one before and now he's bringing her to Lindsay's housewarming party. And I'm just wondering, did they actually not be together or were they together the whole time when he was flirting with Amanda and then he realized, you know, when Jesse's saying that it's confessional and I'm siding with him, it's an issue because I don't ever want to side with that. That off key crooner. I don't want to side with that great value version of Michael Buble. It's not something I'm interested in. And so when Jesse thinks it's weird, Jesse says, by the way, that he didn't know about west and Amanda. It was, like, news to him. And he's like, I got proof. He said on social media or something. He got proof that he didn't know about it. I don't know if I trust that. You know, you can't trust anybody on these shows, right? Like, that's why they get cast on reality tv, because they're a little nuts and maybe we can't trust any of them. And so just saying, you know what? Who I do trust so far, so far is Mia. I do trust Mia. She. Her boyfriend Scott shows up, and she said, the boyfriend doesn't normally come to the social things. He's always open in the restaurants. I'm worried about their relationship, and I do think they will break up. But I like Mia so far, and I feel safe with her in a way. I'm usually able to feel safer with the women. Like Bailey, I felt safe right away with Mia. I feel safe right away with, like, I trust them enough to think that they won't be diabolical. Like, even when I look back on Amanda, I. I feel like we all kind of had a little gut react. I think we all kind of had a gut feeling about her, right? Am I wrong about that? I think we all kind of thought like, oh, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about her. But Mia, I'm like, I feel her and Bailey. Like, I don't feel like Bailey would do anything. I hope I'm not gonna regret this in. In three years. I hope I don't regret this, but I don't feel like Bailey would, like, do some sort of crazy scandal like Amanda did. Anyway, Bailey tells Lindsay about her date with Carl, and Lindsay is just. She gives a thumbs up to Bailey about Carl, but also giving the thumbs down. Does that make sense? So she's like, bailey, go ahead with Carl. She tells him to send a sexy nude. And what she really needs to do is go get like a. A tan line and. Because isn't that what. Isn't that what he likes? He likes the tan line. Wasn't that his fetish? It was something like tan lines or something. Okay, so then, yeah, Lindsay's the. I'm happy that Lindsay and Carl have moved on. They did an Uber Eats commercial. And I do sort of. I predicted this at the beginning of the season. I feel There is a path forward for Lindsey and Carl of them getting back together. I'm sorry. I called it as I sees it at the beginning of the season, and now I'm seeing the vision even more. It's coming in even crystal clearer. But then we see Amanda. Oh, there's like. Obviously, we're looking at everything through a different lens now after this west and Amanda situation happen. But we see Amanda saying she wants to go on a double date with Ben and Sabrina and Sierra, and she calls Kyle the fifth wheel. And they're doing couples therapy, which. It's like, you're wasting your money. I mean, they don't need to be doing couples therapy. What they need to do is get the fuck out of that apartment, break up with each other. But they are doing. In the time of the show, they're doing couples therapy, Kyle and Amanda. But it's so fascinating, Amanda being like, oh, how about Sierra and I go on a double date with you guys and Kyle will be the fifth wheel? I'm like, get the fuck out. Amanda, you are being devious with Sierra right now. And now you're trying to act like, oh, you guys are going on a double date and your husband is the fifth wheel. Like, get the. The out. How about you get the out? She needs to love herself. I don't think Amanda loves herself. I don't think she does because I'm seeing it and she doesn't. She doesn't. We mentioned this on the Summer House episode last week. It's like, I don't really know if I know who Amanda is as a person. I've been watching her for 100 seasons on this show, and I'm still a little unclear and, like, what are her personalities? And now she's going in a relationship with West. It's like, who is this person? I don't trust it. Anyway, they're doing couples therapy, and Kyle's hopeful, and it's like, whoops, Whoops. Shouldn't be so hopeful, Kyle. If I could go back in time, I'd say, kyle, don't be hopeful about the couples therapy because you're both. You know, you're. You're fucked. Carl's gonna be a mess in the future, and you're gonna be fucked. But there is. We do see a. Speaking of Carl, a whole montage of him with women in the house. This was actually triggering to me because Carl looks like a different human being in the early seasons. Like, it's. It's literally like a different human. And I know he's been through A lot. So that's no shade or anything. He's just. When they show a montage, I'm like, who's that? And not only do I say, who's that? About him, but also the workus twins, which is always like a jump scare when they show up on screen. You're like, who the fuck is that? Who's that? Women. Two of them. Because there's two. And because there were twins. They had twins on this house. Double the trouble. But then he also made out with Paige in the broom closet or the pantry. Him and Lindsay were engaged. And when they show that montage, we see him say, like, more life. And I don't know if you've never watched early seasons. This is another reason why you got to go back and watch the early seasons. Because Carl was obsessed with that catchphrase. He was just running around. I forget how many years it was. He's like, oh, yeah, more life. Oh, yeah, more life, dude. More life. More life. More life. More life. Yeah. It was, like, the worst. It was truly the worst. And that's why I have trouble, like, sort of warming, because I want to get on Carl's side, and I am, ultimately, I am. You know, I said at the beginning of the season recaps that I was going to get behind Carl and get on his side, and I really do feel on his side. It feels like he's grown a lot, and I'm happy for him in real time. I'm happy him and Lindsey are friendly again. But seeing that montage, I remember him with that more life situation. It's like, that's the Carl. That's why it's been so hard for me to get on board with Carl is because there were so many episodes back in the day where it's, oh, yeah, more life. Oh, yeah, more life. Ugh. Anyway, Sabrina, Ben's gal, is being very aggressive to Sierra and saying how obsessed she is with Sierra and her. She's like, oh, your energy. They just met for the first time at Lindsay's party, and she goes up to see her, and she's like, oh, your energy is just the best. And I just knew that Ben told me about you, and we're gonna be best friends, and, like, I'm gonna come to the house. Well, only if you'll hang out with me the whole time. And I'm like, girl, you need to settle the fuck down. Sabrina the teenage witch. I know. My arch nemesis. I think that's why I'm actually just having a hard time with Sabrina, because the name Reminds me of my arch nemesis, Melissa Joan. Fart or Hart? Excuse me, she. The name Sabrina is a little triggering to me. Which. Speaking of heroes and villains, did you guys see. I hate to change the subject, but did you see there was this TMZ report that Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey were both on the same flight. They ran into each other on the same flight. And I don't know if anyone has cell phone footage, but I know need. I need it. So maybe find it for me and send it to me because I'm so pissed that I was not on that flight. I would have. I would have taken. I haven't taken my son yet on a flight. I would have taken my son on that flight. I don't care if he would have been yelling and screaming. I would have been yelling and screaming too if I was on a flight with Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson in the year of our Lord 2026. I wish somebody would release the footage. Does the plane have footage? I don't normally think that it's appropriate for people to take cell phone footage of people in public places, but that rule goes out the window when Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson are on a flight together in 2026. It also goes out the window when the real houses of Salt Lake City get on a flight and Meredith Marks gets too hopped up on some stray pills and a glass of Chardonnay and acts like a demon towards Brittany Bateman. That's another time that rule goes out the fucking window. Anyway, let's take a break here and I want to thank Acast and we'll come right back. I still got so many more pages of notes, so sit tight, little bear. Be right back. 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I'm gonna ask that man for directions.
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Paige Desorbo
Hi there. We're trying to get to the state fairgrounds.
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Podcast Advertiser/Announcer
Well, you're going to take a left at the old oak oak tree at this here road.
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Danny Pellegrino
Nah, I'm just kidding.
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Danny Pellegrino
How is their signal out here?
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Danny Pellegrino
Actually, can you pull up the way to a T Mobile store?
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If you're a victim of something, that doesn't mean you're not going to be a villain in a smaller situation, or you're not going to be mean or you're not going to screw up or something like that. And so when these big scandals happen. And again, I know it's so different than Scandival. There's a lot of other layers to the Summer House, one that weren't apparent in Scandival. But what I did notice with Skandival, it's like Ariana really became the victim in Scandival and the people wanted her to be the perfect victim. And the minute that she wasn't being the perfect victim, then the whole audience starts to turn on her, turn on that person. And that's what I don't think is fair. Because someone like Ciara, she didn't sign, she didn't had no active participation in Wes and Amanda doing this thing. Like she really was the victim in the situation. So she didn't. She wasn't asking or participating in what happened in this situation. And so I worry that the minute Sierra does one wrong move or something, which any human would, I don't want the audience to all of a sudden then turn on her like they did on Ariana or even the show then does. Remember with Ariana's situation, it was like that season that they came back, Ariana, the minute she wasn't the perfect victim, though, the cast, the edit turned on her and they tried to make her into the villain. And she didn't do anything in the situation. The situation had been done to her. And so that's what worries me because I don't want the audience. I know how the audience is. Like, they want. Even with the villains. It's like the minute. The flip side of that is you look at someone like Tom Sandoval, who was the villain of that situation, or Raquel or whatever, Rachel, and they, you know, the minute they do something nice, it's like then that the narrative flips on it. And so I just worry when we have these big scandals, it's like everybody wants to fit everybody into these perfect. They got to be completely 100% villainous forever or completely 100% the hero or the completely 100% the victim. And when it comes to the victim, I think it's unfair because they didn't have any active participation in, like, what happened to them. And so I already can, like, predict where the show is going to try to turn them into the villain. And I don't want that to happen with Sierra. I don't want the show or the audience to all of a sudden turn Sierra into the villain just because she's maybe not being the perfect. Does that make sense? I just think that's what I learned about Scandival. It's like no one's. No one's ever going to be. Even the villain is not always going to be. They might have a couple good qualities about them as well. Does that make sense? Like, they're not always going to be just 100% the worst person ever, forever and ever. Am I making sense? I don't know. I had a lot of coffee today. Where were we? At the episode we talked about Sabrina, the teenage witch. I shouldn't call her that. I'm not saying she's a witch. I'm just saying it's. They can't read the word Sabrina without saying the teenage witch. So we do see Sierra at her North Carolina house. She bought it because it was Meaningful. And really, I love this scene. She said it feels like home to her and she's redoing it. Her grandparents owned a bunch of houses on the street. They were creating generational wealth. And so she wants to restore the plan of her grandpa. And I thought this was just a beautiful scene. And really, I don't know, I had, like, this. Maybe it was like, me being a little too emotional, but I'm like, that's what life is really about. It's like, none of this other crazy stuff. It's like, when it comes down to it, you're going to be with your family. And, like, I don't know, that's what's meaningful to me. I'm a little weepy because of the baby, but, yeah, like, yeah, none of this TV stuff should matter. It's like, that's what really matters. And so it was nice to me that, like, to see someone on TV on a show like Summer House and, like, still understanding kind of what matters in her life. I thought that was beautiful. We see Bailey on the phone with her dad, and her dad says something about how Bailey interviewed Scarlett Johansson. Did I get that right? Did I hear that right? I know I need more about Bailey because I'm obsessed. Also, back in the city, KJ gets a pedicure. There's my king. Because you know how I feel about the straight men's feet. And so kj, I already loved him, but now he's getting a pedicure. God bless. Not as popular with me is Jesse singing. There's a quick little clip, a little cutaway of Jesse Solomon singing. And to that I say, enough, enough, enough. We've been through enough. We've just simply been through enough, Jesse. And if you can't read the room, I'm happy. I don't know what it's. Maybe it's mean of me. I don't mean to squash your dreams. We all got dreams. We all got. Everybody's got a dream and ambitions and hopes and futures, and everybody's got to start somewhere. So I don't want to poo poo on Jesse's lifelong dream to be in the same rooms that Michael Buble is singing in. But Michael Buble is in a different level. And so when I see Jesse croonin, I'm saying it sounds like croakin to me, more so than croonin. And so I hate to. And again, I'm not saying that as someone who can sing. I can't sing for the life of me, you know, I gotta. I've Been told I was tone deaf by a professional. Professional. In college, I took a vocal lesson because I was in school for journalism and TV and film. And I remember they. One of the electives I had to either it was like either take a singing class or it was like something. It was like a vocal thing. You had to take like a vocal class. And I took a musical class, a singing class. And they said, absolutely not. The teacher was like, oh, sorry, you're just tone deaf. Like you can't figure it out. And so I understand that. But Jesse, having to hear him sing, he said, I'm getting coffee. Like. And the songs, the lyrics, I'm like, what are the these lyrics? I'm getting coffee and I love my friend. Like, what the fuck are you singing about? I'm in love with my friend and here's my coffee. And I go to the summer house and I like summer and you. And it's like, stop. I don't know if those are the words he's singing about, but that's like spiritually what he's singing about because it's like, what the fuck are you saying? Then we cut to Mia, Amanda and Lindsay. Amanda gets an aperol spritz, which made me judge her. But she says she forgot Kyle's birthday. She woke up and demanded he walked the dogs. And she's like, oh shit. Like, it's his birthday. I shouldn't have demanded he walk the dogs. Like I should have, you know, figured it out. But she didn't. And she. Unfortunately, her and him need to break it up. But Mia had made a contract for her boyfriend. The contract is no more than 10 days apart. This cast loves the contract. But both Mia's parents are gone. Her boyfriend going away is hard for her. Her mom died a year and a half ago and she said she feels untethered. It was heartbreaking to me. It was. She said, I think she said something like she doesn't. She feels like she doesn't have a village. You know, look, my family is all. I have a very tight knit family and they're all in Ohio. And sometimes it feels here, especially now with the baby, it feels like we don't have that village here. We have, of course, wonderful, great friends who come over and friends who've become family. But you know, it does feel like scary sometimes when you think about that. Like, I look back at my family in Ohio and like they all live a street over from each other. So if somebody needs something or you need a sitter or whatever. And anyway, so I. I Feel bad. Mia. Saying her she lost both her parents just made me sad. And she's scared. She's gonna be 45 with no kids and a great career. And she knows she wants kids. And it concerned me a little bit. She said, having a baby will heal me. And she's like, I got all this love to give. And I understood what she was saying. But I also think it's important. You gotta heal yourself before maybe bringing a child into the world. But I don't know much about the fella that she's with. I mean, we saw him very briefly, but it's hard for me to understand if that will work out, because I don't even know if I got much out of him in that quick little scene. He was at Lindsay's house. But Lindsay says it's also. She says it's healing to have a little baby girl because she doesn't talk to her mom. And now she's got. It's Gemma, right? I always want to say Emma, but it's Gemma. Then we cut to Sierra and her mom. Sierra says she wants to raise kids with land and animals. She wants pigs, she said. Sierra's dad. This was interesting. Sierra's dad was going to be mad about the house that she bought because she had to go through all this. Like, she had to start an llc. She had to get the house in, like, a very secretive way so that the dad wouldn't find out, Which I didn't really understand that until she was explaining it to her mom. That was fascinating to me. But her and her dad. What was it, four? They haven't talked in four years. And Sierra says she was closer to her grandparents and she hopes the kids that she has one day feel that way about her parents, even though she has a complicated relationship with her parents. Yeah. So then we cut to everybody finally going back to the summer house. Wes was in Italy all week, and he got wasted there. Look, I don't know if I'm just looking at him differently, but now he looks. And this is mean. I'm going to be mean for a second. So everybody just buckle in, buckle in. Because I recognize, and I apologize in advance for this, but he looks so ugly to me now. I see him and I just. I'm like, wow. Like, I kind of thought he was attractive before. And I see him when they showed him, like, in Italy, drunk. It was like cell phone footage. And he had a nice suit or tux on. I don't know. And she was, like, dressed all nice. And I still was looking at him like, ugh, ugh. I don't know why is he looks. Is it. I guess his insides look ugly to me. And also he seems to like now that I'm looking at all these clips because I feel like now on my social media, I go on TikTok at night and it's like, like TikTok pulls all these clips of west from earlier seasons and confessionals and stuff and watch what happens live. And it's like he always seems like so afraid to do a declarative sentence. It's like I'm like, be a man and use a declarative sentence. Because every time he's being interviewed and something or even there was a clip I saw a couple weeks ago where he's like, I really like Sierra, but I don't know how to tell her that. And it's like, you just fucking tell her, you dumb shit. What do you mean? You don't have to say it. Or he's like, I don't know how to say I'm proud of Sierra. It's like you say it. What do you mean? What do you mean? Or that clip of Watch what Happens Live where Andy asks west if him and Amanda are a thing and he like, he gives like some word salady answers for everything. I'm like, use the declarative sentence. Anyway, where are we at? Here they go. Okay, so they go out of the house. Lindsay texted Carl a nice thank you for the NYC baby book that he got her. I don't know why that makes me laugh because he was like so proud about that baby book he got her because remember he showed up to Lindsay's housewarming party last week and he's like, I just want you to know, like, I found this book about babies being raised in the city and I got it for Gemma. Like, he was so proud of it. It was like he got her a board book and I was happy for it. You know, it's good for kids to read. I read in my Son every night. It's the best part of my day. So let's see. I wonder what book it was too. Like I need. Did anyone. Did we ever find that out? Because I might need to get it for myself. I'm always looking for a good baby book, good board book. So let me know, let me know in the comments. I don't know where that. I don't know where that is. You know, a lot of people have been recommending because I post on my Instagram stories sometimes when I read a new book to my son at night. And so people will send me comments or send me messages and say, you gotta get this book or that book. And I love it. I've gotten a lot of good books that way. I don't always get a chance to respond to everybody. I, I do look into those books. Sometimes somebody will send me one. I'll immediately go to Amazon and then I mean to go back to write them and say, thank you for the wreck. But yeah, I like a good, I like a good board book. Okay. So it was Carl's anniversary of his brother's passing. And again, that was also Lindsay's birthday. And so Carl's pissed because Kyle had posted a Instagram photo of him and Lindsay saying happy birthday, but then didn't reach out to Carl saying, like, I'm sorry for your loss, you know, at this time. So that's going to come up later. But in the meantime, Amanda, apparently at the Hub House housewarming party, told Sabrina that the whole house thinks Ben's in love with Amanda. And Sabrina is like, pissed because she's like, why would you tell that to me? And it is a fucking weird thing to say for Amanda to tell Sabrina, Ben's new girlfriend, because also it's like, Sabrina's gonna know or probably also knows that Amanda and Ben were like skinny dipping in Italy. Do you think something happened with Ben and Amanda? I hate to throw that out there, but I do sort of feel that way now. Look, we ultimately, we just want the best for all of these people and we want them to learn and grow and to love themselves, girl. So I hope that that's what happens with Amanda. But now I'm looking at this Ben situation, I'm like, I hope that, I hope that didn't happen because now I'm side eyeing everything. It's like. And how long was she with. With West? It seems to me now I'm seeing all these clips and stuff and like, it seems like maybe it was going on for a long time before it was actually revealed via a joint statement. I don't know. So they all get to the house. Carl, I have to say the most relatable he's ever been to me. And this was a very small little moment, but he was eating a rice cake. And something about Carl eating a rice cake, I don't know what it was exactly, but it really, it both got me on his side. It made him feel, I think something about people eating a rice cake feels very relatable to me. And it was like more than anything else he's ever Done. I'm like, oh, I'm on Carl's side now, officially, because he's eating rice cake. Something about it. Meanwhile, also at the house, there was, like, a shaker with some old blue cheese in it. I hate blue cheese. And the idea of, like, blue cheese just sitting in a shaker on the counter of a kitchen, nothing is more. Ugh. Ugh. Nothing gives me the ick or the more. I mean, I get more of the ick from that shaker with old blue cheese than I did when I saw Jesse Solomon singing his. Crooning his ditty in the recording booth about. And a coffee or whatever that was. I need to go back and listen to. Not that I want to go back and listen, but I'm curious what those lyrics were that Jesse was singing. Because even when he's. He pops up on my social media sometimes where it's just, like, him walking, it's like he. He thinks he's like Sara Bareilles or something. It's like every clip I see of him singing, it's like a Sara Bareilles video. And. But it's like, Sara Bareilles can sing. She's got a good voice. But, you know, like, that's the kind of energy that he's given in those clips where he's, like, walking the camera and the cameras and he's like, oh, singing to the camera. And I swear he thinks he's, like, singing, I want to see you be brave. Or what's that so fucking song about being brave. Show me how big your brave is. I think that was a lyric or. Or what was that other song? Spiritually, Jesse's music also gives me that this is my fight song. Like, it gives me that kind of energy, which. I can't hear that. Do you ever hear that song Fight Song in, like, the grocery store or something? I can't hear it because it just. It takes me back to, like, the election time, and it's like, it's too much for me. Like, if I'm trying to buy a digiorno at the grocery store, I do not want to hear Fight Song over the loudspeaker because I will shed a tear in that moment. Just like, in real time, hearing that song, it's, like, not okay for anyone to ever play it again. Okay. We can't. We just need to put a moratorium on that song and all of Jesse Solomon's music. I'm sorry. Anyway, the shaker, the old blue cheese, very triggering. And then Carl, he's ready to confront Kyle about his Brother. And Kyle said he didn't pose because he had laundry or something. Like, west went up to tell Kyle to give him the heads up that Carl's pissed at him. Which Wes, it's like, actually, you shouldn't be the one to give him a heads up. And if you're giving him a heads up about anything, it should be that you're fucking his wife. You know, that's the heads up you really should be giving them instead of giving them a heads up about Carl being mad about a post or something. It's like you got bigger fish to be confessing about, West. You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? What is wrong with that man? You're going to tell Kyle, oh, Carl's pissed at you. It's like, shut the fuck up, West. And how about you apologize to Kyle because you're fucking his wife on the side. Allegedly. We don't know exactly when it started, but obviously he had some sort of feelings for Amanda back then, because I can see it now in the footage. It's all there. It's all in the footage, West. And so you're going, kyle, I just want to give you a heads up. Carl's mad about this. Oh, get the fuck out. Give him a heads up that you're fucking his wife or you want to at this point, I don't know. I'm pissed. I'm mad as hell. I'm mad as hell. Bailey, though, they all go out to. Oh, wait, no, Carl, we got to talk about this for a second. So Carl said if the house is on fire, Kyle's going to grab his DJ equipment. He's like, kyle wouldn't care about anybody else in the house. And this just reiterates my theory that none of these people are actually friends. And they probably no one would help each other out of that fiery house if that place burnt down. If that motherfucker burnt down. Guess what? I don't think anyone, anyone would help each other out. I think they. It'd be all every man for himself. Jesse would probably be running out singing. And what else would be happening? I don't think Kyle would be grabbing his DJ equipment. I don't know. I don't think any of them would. Would help each other out. I'm sorry. And Carl's mad about that, but he's like, I know how Amanda feels now. He does whatever the fuck he wants. And I was on Carl's side because of the rice cake. I mean, I under also understand why he was mad because Kyle said he just forgot because he was doing laundry or something, which is the worst excuse ever. Anyway, they all go golfing. Bailey's got her bubbies out, and one of them was wearing heels. I forget, Was it Sierra? Somebody was wearing it. Jesse looked like he was going to work at the Malibu Sands on Saved by the Bell. Like, did anyone notice his outfit? It looked like he was gonna call Mr. Karossi. Do you know, do you remember those Malibu Sands episodes of Saved by the Bell where they all were working at that thing? Ah, that's what he looked like to me. Um, let's take one more quick break here, and then we're going to come back. And I still have more to talk about, so. Yeah, we'll be right back. Tax season is one of those times where you suddenly have to face everything at once. You're looking at your income, your spending, your savings, and it's overwhelming. You feel like you need a plan. 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This is not fun. Summer should be fun. All right, I mentioned Jesse looks like he's going to work at the Malibu Sands from Saved by the Bell because that's outfitted. He also had one of those newsy hat on, I think. Wasn't it a newsy hat? None of them seemed very excited to golf. They were all going to golf because they had to do it for the TV show. But I don't think any of them actually wanted to golf. Some of them were going to be doing mini golf. Some were going to do the driving range. But they all seemed miserable in the footage of them going to the car. And I was happy to get a new location anytime we get a new location. And this is one of, like three locations they're able to film at here because we did see and they showed flashback footage of them arguing with Luke at the batting cage. So they were. It's like one of the few places they're able to. To film in. But I wish they would get more places. Like, it shouldn't just be like batting cage or that one area of the be like, we need some other locations for this show because it's all gonna feel dusty. And I think they're selling that house. So I hope that they're not gonna film at that house again next year, next season. I know a lot of people are mad about, like, what's gonna happen next season and is this canceled? And I don't. Because of the scandal that's happening, but I don't think they would cancel it. I think also the network, I think, learned their lesson with Vanderpump Rules and how they rebooted the whole thing. And so I know a lot of people are saying, oh, look at what happened with Vanderpump Rules. The scandal made it so that none film together. And then they rebooted it. But the show Vanderpump Rules was doing like, over a million people in ratings, in live ratings. Even post Scandal, that really bad season. Post scandal that a lot of people hated, it's like that was still. The ratings were through the roof. And then they rebooted it and had a completely new cast, and the ratings were like, lower than most every other show on Bravo network. And so I'm sure Bravo learned their lesson of, like, we can't fully reboot. Even if some of them are not getting along, they're going to keep some of the cast because they've learned. And if you notice on all of the other franchises, they're bringing people back. They have Dolores on Rhode Island. Like, they've learned that these shows need anchors from the past of people that we know, because every time they fully reboot it, the audience repels it. And so if you look at Vanderpump Rules and Summer House, the past week in the ratings went through the roof because of the scandal. And it had only been a day since the scandal happened. So I'm imagining Summer House ratings are going to be through the roof the rest of the season. And so they're not gonna fully reboot that. I think they'd be stupid too. So they're gonna figure it out. I don't think it's gonna be canceled. And I said a million times on the show. But I think the other reason why they're not picking up cameras, some people keep saying, like, oh, they're being respectful or whatever. I think the reason that they're not. And maybe they will end up picking up backup cameras, but I think it's. They have a spinoff coming. And the Summer House finale is gonna lead into the spinoff, much like the episodes of Vanderpump let into Summer House or Beverly Hills led into Vanderpump Rules. It's like that's the history of the show. So they'd have to re edit everything. And that's like a lot of timeline confusion if they pick back up. So instead they're gonna save it all for the reunion. Maybe they will pick up back footage and then show some of that at the reunion. But I don't see. I feel like it would just be a clusterfuck for, you know, when they pick up on other shows. Like last season, they picked up when I think Paige and what's his name, Craig broke up. They picked up and filmed a scene. But that was easier to kind of slice into the season. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, this would be harder if they have a spin off coming to just all of a sudden put that in the finale when it leads into the spin off. Like, it would be very difficult, I think, to do. So that's at least my take. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. But I could be. Who knows? What the fuck do I know? I'm a dummy. Anyway, they go to golf. Carl's kind of teaching Bailey how to swing. But it. And I know that they went on a date. Ish. But they don't have any chemistry. I don't believe. I don't think Bailey, him teaching her how to swing the golf club. He couldn't even, like, get close to her. I'm like, carl, get in there. Get in the mix. She's like. She even said she's like, I got the bubbies out. She was hopeful that Carl noticed the bubbies. And then she's acting, like, real kind of demure and being like, oh, I don't know how to swing the club. Like, she's giving, like, full Carrie Bradshaw. Like, I don't know how to do this. Oh, I don't know how to do this. Like, very damsel in distress. Like. And we've all been there. I mean, we've all been there to kind of to get a guy on our back, right? Like, we're. It's like, that's what you do when you go to the driving range and you want someone to curl up behind you and cuddle on up into your caboose. That's what you do. You act kind of like, I don't know how to swing this. I mean, if I had a nickel for every time I said, I don't know how to swing this club. Even though I'm thinking in my head, I know how to swing this club. I just want you to cuddle on up to my caboose. So she's doing that. She's giving him all the signals, saying, like, hey, cuddle on up to my caboose. And Carl's like, 10ft away, and he's like, oh, you got to swing it like this. It's like, Carl, she's giving you an open invitation to Connell on up to her caboose. She got the bubbies out. Like, go on up there. It's not like she's saying she wasn't being appropriate. She was just saying, like, come to show me how to do this. And then even when he was showing her from 10ft away, she's like, oh, you're doing so Good. Oh, you really know how to do it. Or whatever. It's like, yeah, Carl, she's saying, like, come on up in here. Like, what is he not getting? Like, wake it. Look alive. Look alive, Carl. Look alive. Radke. Come on. Then we cut to dinner. They were all eating these chicken fingers. Wes with that dumbass bandana under his hat. I was pissing me off. I'm so disgusted by him now. But I was craving the chicken fingers because it looked like the type of place that has a good chicken finger. It does. You know, you could just tell it doesn't have to be, like, a fancy establishment, but you could tell when somebody's got some good chicken fingers. And they did. I could feel it.
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Feel it through the screen. And I love a good chicken finger. Love a good chicken finger. But then Carl and Kyle, they get pulled aside, and they talk about fighting Luke at the batting cages. Kyle apologizes to Carl, and it looked. It seemed like a genuine apology. He's like, I'm sorry I let you down. And Carl's like, I was just hoping to hear from my best friend. He said, you were the guy I ran to that day. And that made me. That made me understand Carl in a better way than I did earlier in the episode. Because Carl saying, like, you were the one I ran to that day. I was like, oh, Kyle really is sort of, like, entangled in Carl's perception of everything that happened that day. So it made me understand Carl in a way that I didn't earlier in the episode. So, yeah, earlier when I was saying, like, I kind of felt like Kyle, I understood why he maybe didn't reach out. This is where I kind of turned and I understood. Carl says, they're disconnected, though. And Kyle, I hate to stick up for that man again. I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say something. And I know people are gonna be mad at me because I'm sticking for Kyle a couple times this episode. But I do feel like Kyle keeps telling everybody, like, I'm a big mess this season. I owe literally millions of dollars to a loan shark or whatever the fuck it is. My business is failing. My marriage is falling apart. Like, he keeps telling everyone that. And when you're going through stuff like that, like. Like, you kind of just expect everybody to understand and give you a little grace to be like, he's not going to be the best friend or, he's not going to be the best person to me. And he keeps at least being upfront about it. So I'm not saying Kyle's obviously, Kyle's fucked up and said and done awful things. And we're not here to defend that because he's a demon for those things. But at the very least, I have to say that he's being upfront. He's not like, trying to hide the fact that he's a mess this season. He's trying to tell everyone, like, I'm a big fucking mess right now, now. And I'm. I don't know how to handle it. I'm not handling my emotions. So he's at least telling everyone, like, giving them the heads up about it. But he said something like, lindsay would have been pissed if I didn't post a birthday thing. And Carl's like, staring at him like, okay, well, that's like a birthday post. And I'm talking about my brother. And it's like, Kyle doesn't get that. And I was like, kyle, don't be such a dummy. But Kyle says that Carl never invites him anywhere. And Carl bites his tongue and sort of shuts down. And he wanted to tell Kyle, like, you, but Carl says Kyle has no one in the house. And Carl kind of just like, accepted Kyle's apology, but he really wanted to, like, let Kyle have it more. So obviously this relationship dynamic is going to blow up. And we've seen in the previews for I don't know if it's next week or later this season where Carl and Kyle getting into blows, but it seems like they're good in real time. I think I saw some. Where did I see an interview or something? It seems like Carl and Kyle are good in real life, but it's gonna come to a blows. Then we have Ben confronting Amanda. And let's see, Amanda sort of acts like a dummy. She acts dumb about like, Ben's like, why did you tell Sierra or Sabrina, whatever. And Amanda's like, oh, I didn't know. Oh, I didn't want to do that. I don't know. And the next week on the show, we get Amanda versus Sabrina. We get Carl versus Kyle. Carl says something in the preview for next week. Like, I wish I had coke because I'd tell him how it is or if I had coke in me, I'd tell him how it is. And then we see west flirting with another gal in front of Sierra. Electric chair, Electric chair. West striped like an idiot, can't even do a declarative sentence. Now you're flirting with somebody else in front of Sierra. Not to mention your Amanda or doing sketchy stuff. Summer should be fun. This Is not fun. Summer should be fun. That's the one thing. When it comes to future seasons of Summer House, I think that's the one issue that the next season is going to have. It's like, we do need summer to be fun. We want the dramas, too, but we need the cast to be wanting to have fun with each other. So I think that's going to be the real trick for next season, is figuring out a cast that can come together and still they could, because I think the network's gonna want to lean into the drama and the scandal, but they're gonna have to figure out a cast because, yeah, Sierra might not want to film with any of these people. And I understand that, and I get that. But then the audience, we're gonna want it. We want Sierra. So we want to see. They're gonna have to figure this out. We're gonna have to watch what happens live and go to bravo tv.com for more information. As always, by the way, like, some. An outlet reached out about, like, a. A quote about this Summer House scandal, and I think it was Glamour. They did an article about it, but. And they didn't use this quote, but I did say. And they had asked me some questions, and I did say ultimately that everybody in the audience is just gonna have to go to bravo tv.com for more information and watch what happens live. And, like, I was really hoping they would print that, and they didn't. I was so pissed because I thought they would have been so, so funny to, like, end this serious article about the Summer house scandal where it just said, like, a quote from me that said, go to bravo tv.com for more information. Everything's so stupid. Everything's so dumb. I mean, let's. Everything's so dumb. At least these shows, in a sick way, it is a good distraction from everything going on because the world's a mess. And so at least we have our stories. And Bravo's got a lot of stories going on right now. We got the Rhode island gals or delivering two episodes in of Rhode island. And it's like, I love them. And I'm like, where have they been all my life? Where's Rhode island been all my life? And then Atlanta, too. Did you guys watch the Atlanta premiere? I thought k. Michelle was so good. Watching her and Charles Barkley at the table just having a good time together. I was like, that's what I need. And Angela Oakley is like, my. One of my favorite housewives now. I love Angela Oakley. And I just feel. I really feel like Atlanta's figured out the cast. They obviously had all that situation with Kenya and Brit last season where it was kind of of a mess, but I feel like this season, Atlanta is going to be good. I at least really was. I feel the premiere was really promising of Atlanta. And then Beverly Hills is wrapping up. Thank God. They're going to have to figure out their cast next season. I hope one of the casting directors got a whiteboard and some. Some names listed because we're going to have to figure something out for. For them and. Oh, and Southern Hospitality, you guys, I. I'm loving Southern there. Okay? So this is going to be. I'm not spoiling anything, but this week. So the episode that airs this week of Southern Hospitality, I did get a chance to watch this week's episode of Southern Hospitality. Again, I'm not saying any spoilers, so, you know, this isn't going to get me in trouble. But the one thing I will say is, like, watching this week's episode of Southern Hospitality, it felt so like watching my friends in their 20s. Like, it felt like I was watching a genuine group of friends. Like, it felt so relatable to me. They're all on, obviously, this cast trip where they're at a lake or a cabin or whatever. And just seeing it felt like such a genuine friend group. And I had the best time hanging out with them. There's, like, good drama. I know this week, if you haven't watched Southern Hospitality, like, maybe tune in and try it, because the last couple episodes on this cast trip I just thought were like such a perfect mix of drama, comedy, genuine friends and connections in a way that some of the other shows don't always feel like. And I just thought it was great tv. And I think it's continuing to be a great season of Southern hospitality. And so if you're looking for that energy of, like, early Vanderpump Rules, I think it gives it. But I don't know. I've been trying to tell people to watch it, and I guess some people don't believe me and I guess I understand, but I try to always be honest if I'm not liking to show you guys, like I said with Beverly Hills, I am not someone who's going to get on the microphone and say, oh, this is a good season if I think it's a shit season. So I hope that everyone understands when I say Southern Hospitality is good this season, I mean it. Right? Find me on social media. 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