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There's a lot going on in the Bravo sphere that I need to discuss before we get into more detail for the Summerhouse episode. And first of all, I have to say that Miami has been put on pause. I'm ready to take down NBC and Bravo because I'm pissed. They'd be pissing me off right now with this Miami news because they're saying it's paused. And I don't know. I hate how we've all accepted this word pause now because that just basically means canceled. I know sometimes they're paused. It seems like Jersey's gonna be coming back, although Margaret Joseph just announced that she's not coming back to Jersey. But I do think Melissa, Theresa, and Dolores will come back, and they'll be like a little Jersey reboot. I'm also hoping that Jen Fessler comes back as a friend, because I do like her. However. So that was like an instance where it was an actual pause. Now, Dorinda was the one who originated the pause, and then now Dorinda's not even actually back. She was never unpaused, so she was put on other shows and stuff, but she was effectively canceled out of the show of the Real Houses New York. She was let go, fired. And so we're throwing this word pause around. It's really pissing me off because now I'm hearing about Miami, and I'm thinking, is it a pause is not a pause. And then what is the truth? Because they're talking about how it's ratings. And sometimes we hear from the powers that be, oh, ratings don't matter. It's all about social engagement and peacock and streaming numbers and stuff. Well, that's a bag of bullshit. I've told you on the podcast. That is bag of bullshit, because they make up all these. These facts about streaming numbers and all that kind of stuff when they want to save a show, but then suddenly when it's Miami, they're like, oh, the ratings are bad. It's like, well, you. What the fuck? You told us that the ratings didn't matter. So what's the truth? I'm onto you. I'm onto you all. And I will be taking you to court. Not really, no. I do love Bravo. I love you guys. But I am Pissed about Miami because Miami is one of the greatest franchises. And then not only that, I don't want to just focus on my pissed off nature. And I'm going to cheer it up here in a second. So just sit tight, little bear. If you're waiting for some positive reinforcement or words of encouragement, I'll get there in a minute. But for now, I have to complain because it's not only the fault of the execs and the people and the higher ups and stuff. I think there is some truth to the ratings and that falls on all of us. Okay, so the fact that the show, like the real houses of Beverly Hills, gets these high ass ratings despite being more slow than watching paint dry, nothing's happening. There are a hundred episodes in this season of Beverly Hills and nothing's happening. They keep saying, oh, it's a slow burn. Well, if any slower of a burn and we're all. Everybody might as well think the show's dead because it's not moving fast enough. It's literally needs resuscitation. And I'm sick of that show getting such good ratings. And yet Miami people aren't tuning into Miami. And there's like a fair with the Haitian mortician over there happening in Miami. And now we're not even going to get to hear what happened with the Haitian mortician because that was something that came up at the, I think the last part of the Miami reunion. It was alleged that Julia, the lesbian housewife had an affair with a Haitian mortician. And I'm not even gonna get any answers to that. And that devastates me. So anyway, I'm just pissed off all around about Miami and I've been, I've been a fan of Miami forever. I know we don't always cover it on this podcast. I had tried covering it, but people weren't listening to the recaps of it. So there you go. But I have been a fierce advocate for Miami. And if you actually might remember, I was partially to thank for Miami coming back in the first place because I had Alexia on and the producer, they did reach out to me and say that was helpful in getting the reboot off the ground. And so I've been an advocate for Miami. I also hosted the Miami last year. A couple years ago at the BravoCon, I hosted the Miami panel. So I'm doing my best, you guys, but other people need to tune in. And so if they never come back, I'm going to be pissed off at everybody. Okay, so what else do we have to Talk about. That's all I wanted to complain about. I think now we're gonna get. Oh, now we're just gonna complain about Kyle Cook. Are we ready for that? Yeah, that's right. We're gonna complain about that, man. Because I am pissed. Rotten Hill. I'm pissed at him too. So I'm gonna complain. Maybe I'll try to. I'll try to nicely complain. Let's play a clip from the episode of Summer House this week. It was episode eight. It was called Sleeping on It. And let's play a little clip. This is not a Kyle and Amanda clip. This is a. A clip of somebody else that I actually love on the show, Lindsay Hubbard. Let's take a listen. So. Cause I know that, like, her and Ben were kind of like, everyone. Yeah. Is like, talking about that, but it literally was like, nothing to her. Like, okay, she was just flirting because she's like, he was a fun, like, person to flirt with. What did they talk about in his room for an hour? Wait, hold on. Sorry. You didn't know that? No, I didn't know that. Oh, my God. Okay, sorry. Oh, my God. You didn't know. I'm just telling you this for the first time. Oh, my gosh. I can't believe I did that. That's a star. That's a reality TV star. We found one caught. Got you. A reality TV star, Lindsay Hubbard. She knows how to come in, get in the mix. She knows to activate when she needs to get activated. And look, she has a new baby, so she can't really get in the mix. She's only on half the episodes this season. So when she's gonna be in an episode, she's gonna make it count. And so she hops on camera, gets mic'd up and says, hey, kj, guess what? That new gal you got might be fucking somebody else in the house. You might want to look into that. I heard some things. And so that's a reality TV story. You gotta bring. You gotta stir the pot. You gotta bring the ingredients to the pot. That's not saying, is it? I don't know. But the point is, Lindsay Hubbard knows how to get activated. Don't activate me because you've not seen me activate it. She knows how to activate. And I loved her just popping on in and just saying, hey, kj, guess what? And I am a little concerned about kj. I mentioned this on the podcast last week because the Dara there, not only I. First of all, I clocked that thesis early. I clocked it last week. And Then in the meantime, I saw this, like, the cast of Summer House was doing this group interview, and I think it was like, for that Hot Ones where they eat the spicy chicken wings, but it wasn't even like, the main hot ones. Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know that YouTube show where they eat the chicken wings? It's called Hot Ones. Well, they, I guess, like, have offshoots of Hot Ones where it's like, not even the main hot ones. And there is something a little bleak about that to me, because I've seen a few people do it or. Or sometimes they have, like, the. The celebrities do the Hot Ones together, but without the host of the Hot Ones. It's. It's very challenging to me because I feel like it's like the A listers get the main Hot Ones, but then they have, like, the cast of Summer Houses, like, what are they doing just, like, eating spicy chicken wings without a host? Like a real. The show's already so fucking low budget where they just have to pay for chicken wings. And they're in, like a. A very bare bones studio, that show, the YouTube show. So it's like really bare bones. I mean, how much does it cost to make one of the episodes of hot ones? $50. And then they're probably sponsored by Buffalo Wild Wings. So it's like, what are they really putting into that show? And then not only that, but so it's like they can't even do a main episode with the cast of Summer House. They just have to have them on sort of like an offshoot eating chicken wings. And it's like, how embarrassing. And I'm sure they do well. But there is something embarrassing to me about, like, oh, yeah, Telling Friends. Imagine, like, going, it's like that time I was on the View, but I wasn't on the main episode. So when my first book came out, it was like, yeah, I'm on the View, but it was just for digital, so. And it wasn't even the full panel that was interviewing me. It was just Sunny and Sarah. And then it was like a View Digital exclusive. And so it was like, yeah, I was on the View, but it was just for digital. Like, it wasn't, which is so bleak. But I mean, I'm proud of it because it makes me laugh, but it is funny. It's like this cast of Summer House, they're just eating chicken wings in a warehouse somewhere. They don't even have the host of the show. They probably showed up and were like, is this actually Hot Ones? Like, should we be eating this? So anyway. But that's not the point. The point is they were asked in that as they're eating the hot sauce, which, I mean, I could actually spend 20 more minutes on that Hot Ones show because I watched sometimes too, and I feel like they just take the littlest bite. And I don't think that's fair. And I actually do believe they should be eating boneless wings on there. And they should have to eat one whole boneless one that's covered, slathered in the hot sauce already. Like, it should be pretty pre tossed in the hot sauce, because otherwise I've seen people. It's like Cate Blanchett. I see her take a little nibble, she takes a little nibble. Or whoever it was, whoever it is, they take a little nibble and it's like, that's not even really diving in the deep end of the hot sauce. They should have to jump in a pool of hot sauce. I come from the era of Jerry Springer. I once saw a live taping of Jerry Springer where it was like, people who were horny for food. And when I was in the audience of Jerry Springer, there were people literally in a baby kiddie pool filled with oatmeal in their bikinis, making out with each other. Like, that was what was going on as I was coming up in the industry. And so now I'm seeing Hot Ones and they take a little. Take a little nibble, a little nibble of the hot spicy chicken wing. And it's like, is that really that hot? And then they act like, oh, they're actors too, by the way. So we can't all be fooled and bamboozled. So sometimes when you see our world's greatest actors, it's like Julia Roberts on Hot Ones. It's like, of course she's gonna be able to pretend that it's really tough to eat the hot, spicy chicken wing. But in reality, we all have to recognize that she just took like a little nibble. She had a little nibble of the hot wing. So I think they should change it so it's like boneless. And they. It doesn't have to be. If they're vegan or whatever, they could do like a impossible chicken or whatever. And it should be pre tossed in the hot sauce, each one. That's how I feel. Anyway, that's not the point. How did I get so off track? The Summerhouse cast, though, they were on the offshoot, the. The Ugly Step sibling or whatever of Hot Ones. And they were asked, like, who's you'll have to go watch it because I'm going to miss misworded here. But there was something like, who's the most fame hungry? And Lindsay said, dara and I had clocked that tea last week, sis. I had said that. I said, we need to keep our eyes on that because there was something a little fishy about it. And I'm not saying she is. It seems like they're in love. KJ and Dara in real time. Like, KJ was on Watch what Happens Live, and it seemed like he still really loves her and she was in the audience, so. But I'm. Something's fishy about it to me. And the fact that Lindsay said something, I'm like, oh, we need to keep our eyes and ears on that. We do. We do. So I'm just gonna point that out. Okay, so we open this week on Friday, July 31st. They go out. They all come back at, like, what, 12, 40? Ben's carrying Amanda inside. DJ Kyle Cook is still in that scarf of his, still wearing the ascot like the fella from Scooby Doo. And they come home at a reasonable time, but they're all very drunk. KJ's, like, falling. He's a mess. Mia's got the bottle in her hand. They're wasted. Sierra's on the floor. It made me think, I'm gonna throw Paige under the bus for just a second. You know, I love my Paige. I love my Paige, my Italian sister. However, watching them go out now, I'm like, was Paige kind of holding the gals back? Because I'm seeing Sierra, like, wasted. Amanda's wasted. And I'm like, gosh, Paige was just keeping him in that house in that bed. They like to be called the bed bugs. But now I'm seeing that the bedbugs like to go out on the town. So what's the truth? But seeing Amanda get carried in by Ben, there's something fishy about that. And then Amanda asks Ben if he chokes people during sex. And this is when Kyle's all alone and jealous, and he's. He's at the DJ booth. And look, before Kyle sort of went off the deep end, I was kind of looking at, like, oh, Amanda's showing, like, Ben a lot of attention. And again, I'm not on Kyle's side, so I don't want anyone to twist this because I'm about to rip that man a new one in a second, okay? So just sit tight and wait for it. However, before any of that happened, I was like, well, Amanda and Ben are sort of. I feel like they cross the line with the flirting a little bit, and Kyle is right there. And Kyle's ultimately to blame because it's like, I don't feel like Kyle's showing Amanda that much attention either. And they are playing games with each other. Okay? Now, just because they're playing these, like, very light games with each other, manipulative games with each other in the relationship, that doesn't excuse Kyle for saying, like, he's all alone. And then he says that Amanda's the least supportive wife in the world because she's not inside with him. And he's like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. And Amanda is like, I don't want to make it a big thing. So she's clearly embarrassed. She just doesn't even want it to be a storyline. I feel like she's been through this so many times, and she just is humiliated so many seasons after seasons of this show because her husband just continually gets drunk and has these outbursts. So although Amanda might have been, like, lightly flirting with Ben, I mean, Kyle was standing right there, and he could have. He could have reacted in a different way, but instead he goes off in the corner in the teacher booth, and then for him to come back and say, like, you. You're the worst Support, most unsupportive wife in the world or whatever. And then Kyle runs off to the bathroom, and then Ben chases after him, and he's like, um. Kyle's like, oh, she didn't talk to me all day. And it's like, yeah, because you're the worst. Like, yeah, that's why she didn't talk to you at all. Because you aren't someone who's fun to talk to because you're so mean to your wife. So why the fuck would she want to talk to you? And so then west even has to go check on Amanda. And west seems very empathetic towards Amanda this whole season. And Amanda cries to West. West says it was unprovoked for Kyle to say that. And Amanda says it was the tame and calm version of Kyle. So I want us to all just focus on that, because, again, I have to say this is. What if this is what's happening on camera, on Candid Camera. I mean, everyone's aware, even though this show is kind of a surveillance footage, cameras, they still know they're on a show. And someone like Kyle, who's been doing it since season one, what are we in season 10 or something? And so he knows how this works. So I Think we all have to look it through it, that lens of, like, this is how some. These people are acting on camera, which always means it's worse off camera, right? Because imagine your behavior. You're going to go into filming a TV show with better behavior. And so for Amanda to also say that, I was like, oh, it's much worse like that Kyle, his temper, him. Some of these things that he's saying. And then it also leads me back to, like, Amanda continually asking for Kyle to stop drinking. And I was just thinking of him coming home in the middle of the night when they're home off camera and being this drunk after a DJ night. It's like, what. What are the kinds of things that he says to this woman when he's not on camera? If this is what he's saying when he knows that he's in a house with 24, seven surveillance cameras and crews. I think crews are also in the house. Maybe not in the bathroom or wherever, but isn't there. There was a crew outside, I would imagine. So it's like him saying that. And she's been asking you to stop drinking. It's like, yeah, this is why she's asking you to stop drinking, because you're acting like an asshole. Rotten Hill. So I look, he needs to get it together, and it's. And she needs to run. Run the other way. Run away from the marriage, get a divorce, whatever you got to do. I hate to say that on a microphone, but it's true. That's what they need to do is split. Because, yeah, even west goes up to Kyle and is like, you need to apologize. And meanwhile, when he was talking to Amanda, she said not only did she deal with this for 10 years, but she worries this is the best she'll ever do. And so she makes excuses for Kyle and it's like, the best you'll ever do, girl, love yourself. I swear, that's the problem with these. The women who go on the Bravo network. Unfortunately, not all of them, but a lot of them, they need to love themselves. And that's actually the issue. And so anyone out there single gals and gays or men or whoever's out there single, you got to have a standard for yourself. And if you don't have a standard for yourself, then everybody's going to treat you. What's that saying? Like, you teach people how you want to be treated, and so you can't let people treat you like that because then continually people will treat you like that. So you enter these relationships, and at the beginning of a relationship, if you let someone treat you in a shitty way, they're unfortunately, I think, going to continue treating you that way. And that's not saying it's your fault. But you have to love yourself enough to have some sort of baseline standard of when you're entering a relationship. This is like a baseline of how you need to be treated. It doesn't mean. Look, early in the relationship, I do think you. You should sort of have each other on a pedestal and treat each other as such. And of course that's gonna wane and fade or whatever. But even if. Even if you're not gonna. I mean, you should want to. You should love the person at the beginning of relationship so much that you should wanna, like, put them on that pedestal. But even if you aren't treating them like a God or something, like, in the beginning of the relationship, you need to have a baseline. You gotta have a baseline, because it's just that otherwise you end up in situations like this. And we see it time and time again on Bravo, and you're like, why is that person putting up with that person? Or you gotta love yourself. And Amanda's saying, I don't think I'll ever do better. I'm like, girl, you will do better. And you need to. You need to recognize that you can do better and you should do better and you will do better. And it's. Again, I'm not trying to put it on her because Kyle's the one. What did he say? He's like, she gave me the fuck you eyes. It's like, yeah, we all did. We were all looking at you like that, sir. We're all looking at you saying and doing these awful things, and we're giving you the fuck you eyes, Kyle. D.J. cook. And he apologizes, like, with a. But he's like, I apologize, but you don't pay attention to me or make an effort. Meanwhile, Wes was wearing so many fucking bracelets in that confessional, it was like he was that realtor from Ryan Seahat. Can I talk about. Can I get something off my chest for a second? You know Ryan Cerehat from the Million Dollar show or the Realtor Show. I think he's got his own show on Netflix now. First of all, very handsome fella. And, you know, I've never. I've dipped my toe into the real estate shows, but I'm like, not an expert on that man, so forgive me that I don't know, like, a ton about the Ryan Searhant. I don't even know if I'M saying his last name, right? Sirhant. Or Sirhant. Anyway, very handsome fellow. Okay. And I think he's genuinely maybe a nice guy. So I'm not. This is nothing about his personality or anything. I'm just saying sometimes when he shows up on my social media, he's wearing like a lot of bracelets, a lot of bracelets. And I don't really understand. And west had him on in the confessional. He had like maybe half of what? Of what? Half of a stack of bracelets that Ryan Serhant has. But I'd like us all to get some eyes on the realtor and just. I don't know what it is because he's seemingly so busy and. Very successful realtor. Very successful realtor. And I hear that show he's got on Netflix is great. I haven't watched it, but I heard it's great. But I don't really know what all the bracelets are for. And something about having that many bracelets on your wrist is kind of a turn off to me. And look, I want to look at a realtor like that Ryan fella and just be able to thirst after because he's always posting thirst traps. I'm seeing them. I don't even follow him, but they show up on my algorithm. It's like him in the shower, him taking off the top, him without a blouse on. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, for a second I see it, I'm like, oh, my panties are going drop, drop, drop. Make it go pop, pop, pop. Until my panties go drop, drop, drop. But then I look over at his wrist and it's like, there's a lot of bracelets on there. And at a certain point, I don't even think they're meaningful or purposeful. It's like, just how many can I put on? It's like, is he going to the ERAS tour? Like, I. That's what it feels like every time I see him. I'm like, the ERAS tour ended a long time ago. I know we're all emotionally wishing we could go back to that place, but unfortunately, we're not there anymore. And so what are all these? Why are the bracelets there? Like, almost. Remember that movie, Scary Movie, the spoof, I think, Part three. Cameron Manheim. Every time she shows up, she's got, like a bigger hat. It's like the hat just keeps getting bigger. And that's how I feel. Like Ryan Sirhant's wrists are with all his bracelets. And look. God bless. It's his style. I just think, like, where is he getting all these bracelets? It's a lot. It's a lot. But again, a handsome man, and I wish him all the best. And look, would I turn him down if he was like, hey, do you want to come see a home today and check out my bracelets? I'd say, sure. But I still worry. I don't know. It keeps me up at night. I think about, what are all those bracelets for on his wrists? Is that how he's selling the houses? Anyway, let's talk about West's. West's got a lot of them. And I just. Maybe that's the style, too. Is that the style? I don't know. I don't know. But Wes tells Kyle to apologize. Kyle apologizes with the butt. And then Kyle. Oh, Kyle also called Amanda. He said, you're. You're a dumbass bitch. I wrote my notes, Kyle. Trash Kyle equals trash trash. What do you mean? This is your wife, and you're saying you're calling her a fucking dumbass bitch. It's just. I don't even know. There's not even much to say about. Because it just is so kind of gross to watch a husband and wife like this on camera. It feels really bleak to me. And I think Ben even said he was. Ben was, like, sort of trying to stick up for him. Oh, I guess it was the next day, which we'll get to, but Ben said he hasn't seen this Kyle of Kyle and Amanda. And he said, Amanda pushes the buttons. And I'm like, I don't know. I'm not saying Amanda doesn't push buttons, but it's like, no one should push a button. And then you say those words, you know, like, she might be pushing buttons to, like, get a little reaction out of him. Of course, I'm not excusing Amanda's her pushing the buttons, but I just think, like, some of the buttons, like, you don't have to. I don't. I feel like she's looking for a light reaction out of him to maybe address some of the issues in the relationship. I don't think she's pushing the buttons for him to call her a fucking dumbass bitch. Like, that's. That's way inequal. Or what's the unequal. Inequal. I'm so stupid sometimes. Anyway, let's take a break, though, and then we're going to talk about the next day. Because we ended that night. Kyle said she hates him. And I thought, like, I wrote my notes like, same. I hate him too right now. Like it's just so awful. But so the next day they all wake up and he doesn't even know what's going on. But so we're going to take a break here. I want to thank Acast. We have so much more to discuss and for now though, I just like to remind us that Kyle needs to Rotten Hill. Unfortunately. I hate to say it, but it's gotten to the point you can't talk to your wife like that on Candid Camera or anybody quite frankly. So let's take a break and was there something I needed to say before we go to the break? Anyway, we'll come right back. This episode is sponsored by Tumi, the international travel, lifestyle and accessories brand. Tumi invites you to break away from the hustle and bustle of everyday life with its Mediterranean Escape Collection. Inspired by the calm of the coast, the rhythm of the tide, and the ease of uninterrupted travel. Featuring sun, faded pink clay, refreshing washed yellow and lush thyme, the collection captures the serenity and simplicity of a coastal escape. The but it's not just about esthetics. Tumi is built on legacy of signature durability and performance. 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I always talk about the Comeback, which this is a good actually point to say that the Comeback is back for season three on hbo. So if you haven't watched it, it's great. Show of all time. My favorite show of all time. I've gotten a chance to see the whole season and I think it's perfect. And I also have Dan Bukatinsky who's one of the producers on it. He plays Billy who is Valerie Cherishes producing partner, former publicist manager and he's been on since season one. And he's also Lisa Kudrow's producing partner. They work on a lot of stuff together, and he's so brilliant in the Comeback season three. So I have a whole interview with Dan Bukodinsky, which is on the podcast feed right now. So if you want to listen to that, it's a great chat with him, and we talk about his career and gay fatherhood and all sorts of stuff, but he is phenomenal in the Comeback. And so it's a whole hour about the Comeback that I hope you guys like, because it is, again, my favorite show of all time. And so it was a delight to get to chat with him. But I like that cringe. I know some people don't like the cringe, but so when I see something like that clip of Watch what happens Live like, that makes me laugh. It's silly. It's silly and ridiculous. But I did hear from a lot of listeners of the podcast who were like, you've got to stop playing that sound clip because. Because it's too uncomfortable. And so I hear you. I hear you. And I'm not sure I'm going to take it off the soundboard right away, but I will try to scale back on pressing the button because I understand that it could be triggering for a lot of people. So, anyway, that's what I have to say about that. Moving on. We talked about Wes Bracelets. Okay? So the next morning, after Kyle was a nightmare human. Kyle says he's only human. And they show a montage of Amanda jabs. And he's like, I pick up on them on real Time. And now he's like, I used to just watch the season back, and then I would notice that she was giving me all these jabs, and it's like, you guys just don't like each other at all. Just break up, please. Meanwhile, Dara's on the way and KJ's super excited. And I'm loving KJ. I am. He seems like such a sweet man, a sweet boy. And I'm worried about Dara and him again. I've mentioned that a million times. So I'm not gonna harp on it. And it's only. I only harp on it because he seems like a genuinely lovely human being. And so I don't want him to get hurt. I do not want Keiji to get hurt. You hear me? You hear me? Dara. Dara the Explerer. I keep wanting to call her Dora. Dora the Explorer. She's Dara the Explera. And I don't Know what explera means. But we're gonna figure it out together. Because I'm onto her. I'm onto her. And she's an explorer. If anyone's an explorer. That Dara is an explorer. Because I. Something about it I don't trust. I don't even when she was. When she came back. And we'll get there. We'll get there. Okay. So then Lindsay and Amanda, they talk. Lindsay slept through everything. And unfortunately, I do need Lindsay to be a little more alert. Don't activate me because you've not seen me activate it. Because Amanda was up all night crying and Lindsay was just asleep. I know she's a new ma', am, but I'm gonna need her to wake the up. Wake up, wake up. In the words of Hillary Duff, wasn't that a song? Wake up, wake up In a Saturday night Wake up, wake up. They don't make music like that anymore. Just Hillary Duff shouting at us to wake up. That was. That's. That's music. But anyway, Lindsay needs to wake up. Amanda says she carpet compartmentalizes Kyle. So it's his birthday, and so she's like, oh, I'm just going to put this fight with Kyle aside to celebrate his birthday, and we're going to get set up. They're doing like an old, old person theme. Meanwhile, Lindsay's grilling KJ on Dara, and this is when she lets it slip. I played the clip at the beginning, the episode about how Ben was flirting with Dara. Dara, Dara, Dara. Fuck. I know people are going to be mad at me. They're going to say, it's Dara. Danny. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There's a lot of names on these shows, and when they're new, it takes us a minute. Takes us a minute. But this is when Lindsay's like, well, what were they talking. What was Ben talking about in the room for an hour? Oh, you didn't know? Oops. And that was the star Lindsay that we need on this show, awake and alert. And Bailey said, Bailey's not on this episode. She's in a flashback. But Bailey had told Lindsay that Dara had come out in a different outfit in a different outfit. Meanwhile, they're all getting set up for this party. Lindsay's wearing a zebra print to torture Carl because she said, Carl's got a zebra fetish. What was that one? Remember when last season, when all the fellas were going around the dinner table talking about, like, what kind of pornhub searches they do wasn't didn't Carl have like a crazy one? It wasn't zebras. Was it like tanning beds or something? Was it tan? Which by the way, I just got my first spray tan. Did I already tell you guys this? I got my first spray tan and there was actually like, I may or may not have accidentally got like a touch of spray tan on my nine month old son. Look, it happens to the best of us. It wasn't purposeful, but I got my first spray tan and I didn't realize you have to wait, what is it, four hours or something. And so unfortunately Matt was like, hey, you need to get home. Like I need you to watch the baby. And I'm like, oh fuck. Like I still need my spray tan to set. And. And so then I got home and it was like trying to stay away from the baby. But then like, you know, a nine month old, you can't say, oh, I'm not able to pick you up because I just got a fresh spray tan. So unfortunately, I may or may not have stayed as Batman pajamas. That's here nor there. The point is Lindsay's wearing the zebra print to torture Carl. KJ spiraling about Dara. Carl tells kj. He's like, oh, this is part of dating someone on the show. It's just is what it is. Then west is telling Sierra about the conversation with Kyle. Everyone's sort of talking about Kyle and lover boy. Ben says that Kyle has 2.1 million left on a loan and he could be bankrupt. So he could be just, I don't know, maybe in the clink if you can't pay the loan back. I don't know how that works. Point is, Ben is sort of sticking up for Kyle. He's like, oh, well, you know, he could be under the need to paid $2.1 million. And Sierra's like, well, whose fault is that? And that's he started the business Amanda. You know, it's not Amanda's fault. So get with it, Kyle. Excuse me, I got the hiccup. Anyway, she says that they need to separate. Not legally, just with distance. I think Sierra actually meant like they need a divorce. But then she realized she said it on camera. So she was like, well, maybe not legally. She's like, they just need some distance. And that's true. You know, the lover boy stuff is fascinating to me and I think probably a lot of the information about like the financial stuff has been cut from the show because it's a lot of like business mumbo jumbo. Even in that little Clip of Ben saying, oh, he owes this much on a loan. Like, we all sort of are. We all sort of, like, glaze over when they talk about the business side of the lover boy, don't you? I feel like I do, at least. It's like when they start saying numbers, I'm just like, I can't. I can't pay attention. I can't listen to this. I don't understand. It's like I said a couple weeks back on the show. It's like if somebody's trying to explain board game rules to me, it's like I just glass over. Like, I can't understand them. And that's how I feel with, like, anyone starts telling me about, like, their business loan and bankruptcy, I'm like, okay, whatever. Anyway, then where we see Dara showing up and struggling with that suitcase, she wishes Kyle a happy birthday. And he's like, oh, it's Monday. And so she says, well, your birthday is as long as you want to celebrate it. And I just have to push back on that. It's another reason that Dara pissed me off, because I'm being so hard on Dara. But I don't like when people celebrate their birthdays for too long. I just think it's really annoying. It's my own thing. But I just think, like, you get the one day you get your day. Like, I don't. You don't get a whole fucking month or weeks or anything. Like, it's like, enough with your birthdays, okay? So then KJ's trying to pretend like it's all good, but he's freaking out inside because he's got the anxiety. I love him, and I feel very protective of this man because of his anxieties. But she says she came from Fire island, so she was having a good time with the gays over on Fire island, which makes me actually like Dara. But he does come clean and he says, look, I was very worried. And she kind of. She sort of says, like, oh, nothing was going on with Ben and I. Like, I just went in the room to change. So that also explains. Explains like, the. The changing of the outfits. And so what I imagine happened is she wasn't a main cast member, so she needed a room to go put her stuff in. And production didn't give her a room because she's not in the cast. She wasn't supposed to be in the cast. And then they added her late because she's. They saw she got in the mix. And that other one, Levi, was a big old flop. So then they were like, okay, Dara, you're bumped up. And so she's like, oh, I don't have a room. And so she went in Ben's room, emptied the suitcase, and I don't know what was in there, but hopefully the gays on Fire island helped her pack some clothes for the summer house debut. And so she changed her outfit, and that's how she explained it. I actually did believe her. So I was on Dara's side for this. I feel like however it did, it did seem like she. She got the go ahead to make this a storyline, and now she's pissed off at Bailey. So she's like, wait, what the fuck was Bailey saying? What did she say? What did she say? And so now she's gonna confront Bailey, and that gets Bailey and Dara in the mix with kj. And so I just think those newbies are doing a good job of making some stuff happen, which is what you got to do when you go on a reality show. And so I don't even think Dara was that pissed off at Bailey, but she saw an opening of like, oh, this can give me a storyline with Bailey, because she's probably fighting for her life on that show, on that cast, because she wasn't, again, again, initially cast. I don't believe allegedly, then this episode was really giving me anxiety. Was it giving anyone else anxiety? I don't know what it was. Maybe it's just the crippling marriage. It felt like a marriage story. It was like, we're watching this, that movie, a marriage story with Scarlett Johansson and Adam Driver or season three of Bethany Ever After. It was like the same kind of vibes of just a marriage falling apart and watching it in real time giving me anxiety. Kyle asked Carl what set him off, because he's like, I don't remember what happened. And he's like, I can't articulate anything when it comes to Amanda. And he's feeling very isolated. It's like, well, then you should just shut your mouth. You shouldn't say, what? What did he say to her? Fuck you or whatever, to your wife. Meanwhile, everyone's getting ready for this old person party. Sierra's dressing as old Carmen Brown. Her alter ego Mia says she's wearing a fat suit, like she's in on the set of Shallow Hal or something. Or Nutty Professor. I was like, what do you mean, Mia? You're wearing a fat suit. Who are. Who are you, Gwyneth Paltrow in the Jack Black film or Eddie Murphy in an Eddie Murphy film she doing Norbit. What does she. What do you mean, a fat suit? Like, and it's so crazy to think. I was actually thinking it's like Kyle's, what, 43rd or 44th birthday? I don't remember what it was, but I was thinking of my, like, older brothers, because it's similar age, you know, to Kyle. And I was just imagining them having a birthday party where, like, they have a makeup artist come and they're like, everybody's wearing fat suits and stuff. Like, it's so over the top, I can't even imagine it happening in real life with, like, straight men. But then it was like the makeup artist came. Amanda's like, kyle, your makeup artists here. I was like, what's going on? But anyway, they are all dressing in absurd costumes and. Oh, can I say something, actually, that when it comes to Carl, I normally never find him attractive, but when he put that white spray in his hair, Whoa. Make it go pop, pop, pop, until my panties go drop, drop, drop. Why is that the hottest Carl's ever looked, in my opinion? Him with this. And it also sort of. I don't know if that spray. Like, him having the spray in his hair that made his hair sort of, like, silvery or gray. It did. Oh, gosh, I hate to say this. I don't wanna. I shouldn't say this on a microphone. It did sort of tone down the color of the teeth, because sometimes I unfortunately. Does Carl dyes hair? Does he dye his hair? Maybe he should stop dyeing the hair because there is him with that. Him going gray, like, was doing it for me. And it tones sometimes when you look at the chompers. And God bless the chompers. I know he did. He's had a whole journey with the veneers, as a lot of people on television have, and they look good to some. And sometimes some veneers look really gray. And sometimes you're like, what's going. You know, they're blinding. And his initially were blinding. Remember the. I don't know if those were the tempers or what happened. And. But he looked. I will say that he looked so handsome with the white stuff in his hair. And it did make my eyes not necessarily focus on the chompers. And so that was a win. That was a win. And what do I know? What do I know? There's one tooth that I keep thinking. I'm like, oh, I like one veneer. Yeah. Do they do that? Like, there was one. I'd like one veneer. I don't know. Maybe they don't do that. Okay, so then let's take one more quick break here. I'm going to go research if they do one veneer, and then we're going to come back. Find me on social media, Danny Pellegrino. Go listen to that interview with Dan Bukatinsky or download it if you want, if you're into the Comeback. And we'll be right back. And we're back. All right, so everyone's in their old lady cosplay. So west is dressed like Mrs. Doubtfire, and Carl's looking hot. Mia's got the fat suit on. Who had the big boobies. Was that Mia or was that. No, that was Sierra had the bubbies, and they looked real. And she said she's like, everybody loves a bubby. And you know what? She's not wrong. But she says that you got to take a chance in love. She tells that to KJ and they do some breathing exercises, which I thought was really nice because KJ Had a panic attack the other night. He said for the first time in a while. And I get that. I. Oh, no. I wrote KJ Had a. Wait, I wrote this in my notes. KJ Had a panic attack. But in my notes, I wrote, I also had one for the first time the other night in a while. And it was just a lot going on in life. And I don't know if I had too much coffee or something, but there was. I had, like, a lot of work stuff going on and some drama not involving me, but, like, some tangentially involving me. And it was just like, a lot for me to take in with the baby and everything. And I had my first panic attack in a long time the other night. And so when I heard KJ Talking about it, I felt like a little less alone. So I liked that. And then they were doing the breathing exercises. I was like, oh, I need to remember to do that. I do. Am I too old for cracks? I was looking at KJ in this scene. He was wearing the Crocs. And I just got some recently, some of the Crocs. And I like them and I wear them places. But then I'm seeing a lot of the youths wear them. And I was like, am I too. I hope I'm not too old for the Crocs, because I. Crocs used to be an old person thing, right? I feel like the lesbians were really on the front lines with the Crocs. And I know that as like a follower of Rosie o' Donnell because she used to always talk about the Crocs. I'm talking like decades ago. She was like a croc fanatic and she was on the front lines and everybody thought, or at least I sort of thought, like, oh, I, the lesbians are wearing the Crocs. But like our. Then it became. It was like the lesbians were on the front lines of the Crocs. And then other people started to take on the Crocs and now the youths do the Crocs. And now I'm worried. Am I too old and gay to wear the Crocs? I don't know. Are the lesbians still wearing it? Can I tell you something? When I worked that red carpet for the Elton John Oscar party, I for a second, like, I thought, like, I could be a lesbian because I was interviewing Brandi Carlisle and her significant other. And then I also interviewed Sophia Bush from One Tree Hill and her significant other, and they were all so hot. And I was like, oh my God, like, am I, am I? Maybe I'm a lesbian. Because I was like. So I was like, twitterpated or what's that? What's the word? I was like nervous about talking to them. I was like, oh my God, they're so hot, like more than anybody else. And I talked to like one of the gays from heated rivalry or one of the guys from heated rivalry, and I was still like more nervous about the lesbians because they were so hot. Anyway, I got to figure out about Crocs. I'll look that up. Meanwhile, Nina, the makeup artist comes by for Kyle's glam Matt. Oh, this is interesting couple. Matt and Katie is. They're labeled. Kyle and Amanda's friends arrive and I, I do believe they're on the new show, the spin off show in the city which is coming after Summer House. So just clock that. I just would like us all to. You notice how they, they put a little thing underneath their name, underneath them. In the episode it said Matt and Katie, Kyle and Amanda's friends. And we saw them sort of meeting everybody and saying hi to everybody. And I do think there are a couple on the new show. So obviously, allegedly, maybe, I'm guessing, but I don't know if just, just keep an eye on that. It's just something to clock. And I hope I'm not spoiling anything because it's just alleged. What do I know? But I do feel in my bones that perhaps they're on the spin off show, Matt and Katie. Okay, so then. And also, is one British or are they both British? I don't know where they Is that the accent they were doing? I heard some accents. Carl's also wearing the Crocs, by the way, and those up glasses. And some of the group is not sure if Kyle or Carl's just wearing those glasses or if he's wearing them to look like the old man. And up. No one's sure because sometimes Carl shows up in some new looks and nobody knows. Nobody knows it but me. Wasn't that a Babyface song? Moving on. KJ and Dara talk about Ben, and this is when she explains it all. She gets the storyline with Bailey going. West is dressed as. Again, Mrs. Doubtfire. They all look insane. I know, I know we're supposed to like all the costume stuff on the show. And I did like Wes dressed as an old lady. However, I don't know a lot of costume stuff. And, you know, Sierra jiggling the tit. And they're all cheers into summer house season 53. And they're all trying to. They're doing a lot of these, like, acting old bits. And west was the only one that was working for me, and Carl on a sexual level was working for me. But when they were all sort of like, riding the scooters and they had all these props in the yard, like a giant clock and some pictures, and I think maybe. And maybe this is on me. This is on me. I was not responding to this, perhaps because I did a decade plus of improv at places like Second City and the Groundlings, and this was very much them doing improv as old people, but it was like with worse actors. And so I don't know, there's something. Something about some of the costuming, even with the jousting when they were in medieval times, it's like we're just watching improv but with worse actors. And so I think we need a skill. That's my opinion. Maybe some people, a lot of people, I think, like it. So I could be wrong and apologies. If you are someone out there who loves all the costume work they do on Summer House, then God bless and celebrate that and enjoy that. However, I cannot lie on the microphone and say that I enjoy it week after week because it's like week after week after week after week after week after week, we're seeing them do costume work and bad improv. And maybe I would like it better if they just didn't. They didn't include so much of them being like, I'm old and I'm riding the scooter. Ha ha, ha. It's like, well, you're not. You're just dressed in a costume anyway. Weston, Jesse, talk about Kyle and Amanda. Oh, what do you think? And west is like, you. We've known them for three years. Have you ever believed it? And just like, well, I've seen married couples who fight a lot, and I saw some married couples fight more. I just thought that's what happens when you marry someone. You just fight. Like, Wes is like, no, you dummy. That's just Kyle and Amanda. And west even says that Kyle's gift, remember, he gave her the watch or whatever, it's because he was guilty. And Wes is like, I've seen Wolf of Wall Street. I seen it. I've seen it. And so Wes is ready to throw down with Kyle because he's going to address it with Kyle. And that's when we end on To Be Continued. But he's ready to run up to Kyle and say, you know what, Kyle, D.J. cook, Rotten Hill. Wes is going to be the knight in shining armor. It's too bad this wasn't the Medieval Times party. And unfortunately, west is dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire. When he's gonna go give Kyle the business. That's what he's gonna. He's gonna walk in the room, Kyle's gonna be standing, probably pissing on the grass somewhere, and Wes is gonna go up and be like, hey, Kyle. And then they're gonna get into it. But if it was the Medieval Times costume party, then Wes would have been able to go joust with Kyle. But instead, he's gonna probably roll up in the scooter and say, hello. I love these shows. This was a good episode, you guys. I know. I just sort of. I dragged a lot of stuff in the episode, but I honestly loved it. It's. This season's good. Oh, here's the other thing I want to say about Summer House is, like, this was a. This whole episode. Like, I thought this was going to be the finale. I thought, like, them in the old costumes. And it looks like next week is from that clip from the trailer where they all tell Amanda, leave Kyle. But doesn't it seem like a lot of the stuff that was in the trailer is, like, happening early? It wasn't just stuff from the last episode. I think that's really fascinating. They got a lot of content. They do. They got everybody activated. Everybody. The new people are working for me. I mean, except for not all of them, but, you know, they're working, and it's a good season. I don't know how they did it. I don't know how they pulled that Rabbit out of their hat. But they did. They sure did. Okay, that's the end of Summerhouse. Recap. Anything else we gotta talk about on Bravo? Let's see. Beverly Hills. I still don't really. People have been asking, why won't you recap Beverly Hills? It's like, there's nothing to recap. It's just everybody going after Amanda for her cult or whatever. And, oh, there was even a moment, like, Kyle obviously has been doing this show for so long. She knows how to produce the show. She knows when the show's bad, and you could tell that she knows it's bad. She tried to activate that Natalie woman who's, like, basically an extra on the show. She tried to, like, get her going. And, like, Natalie did not take the bait. And then even there was a scene one, or last week or the week before where Sutton and Kyle sat down with Amanda, and they were trying to tell her how to act on camera. And it was like, we were just watching them basically tell her how to be a better housewife and, like, discuss issues. And it was like, okay, I can't watch scenes of, like, Kyle trying to teach women how to be a housewife. Like, that's not entertaining to me. It's so boring and bland. And I don't know who did the casting, but it's like, well, who is this Natalie woman? Like, doesn't even seem to want to be there or talk to anybody. And Kyle tried her best because Kyle's thinking, oh, nothing's going on. And then also, there are certain things that, like, you could tell they don't actually care about. Like, even the Manda cult stuff or whatever. None of them actually care about any of that stuff. They don't. They don't really give a shit. It's just like, the only. They're grasping for straws because there's no other. No other stuff going on. There's no other storylines or things happening. So then they're, like, latching on to whatever they could find. So it's like Amanda and the cult, or Dorit and Amanda or. Or the thing about the mask. It's like, none of Kyle does not give a shit about the mask, about whether or not Bose said Amanda Pinocchio or whatever the fuck she was saying in that last episode. It's like they don't care. It's just the only thing that's going on. So they're, like, trying to grab hold of it and it's like, okay, well, why should we care if they don't actually care? And they could pretend, they could try to pretend that they care, but Kyle doesn't give a flying fuck. She's just trying to make a show. She's trying to get something going on and they need a big change. Not only that, but it's like, did you see that thing? Okay, so Dorit was on Watch what happens live and Andy Cohen had asked Dorit about the mortgage payments, how she was behind on the mortgage payments. And she said like, oh, it's get. It's taken care of. Pk. PK is taking care of it. But Larsa Pippin from the Real House Miami had to comment under a clip of it on social media and was like, all the Miami housewives have paid their mortgages. And the problem is it's like Beverly Hills. They try to sell it as like an aspirational show, but they're not even paying their mortgages. So it's like if. If the show is going to be this aspirational thing where we're seeing, well, healthy lifestyles and stuff, then they're going to need to cast some richer people because we're just not watching. They're trying to. What they're doing is like trying to pretend that they're. These women are really wealthy, but in actuality it's like Dorit's moving out of that house because they weren't paying the mortgage and none of them are. It's like Kathy, Jennifer, Tilly, they're really wealthy, but I don't think the rest of them are really like, wealthy. So if, if that's the show that you're going to sell us on, then they're going to need to be much wealthier, like Erica Jane and her house. Like, I'm not saying it's in a beautiful home that a lot of us wouldn't be loving to live in, but it's. It's not aspirational enough. They need to be wealthier if that's what the show is going to be. Otherwise they need more drama or they need more dynamics between them or interesting storylines. But if it's just going to be sold to us as like this wealthy aspirational show, then please hire some wealthier people next season. Do you just get what I'm saying? Anyway, love you all so much for listening. I think we need to do a little a cool down like they did on Summer House. Don't we need that? Let's take a break. Let's all try to breathe in and relax. Relax. Let's take a deep breath in. Hold it. Breathe out. Take one more. Deep breath in. Hold it. Breathe out. Go forth, go forth. Live long and prosper and have a good week or good day or whatever. 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