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So explore the Mediterranean escape collection@tumi.com or in store. Hello everyone and welcome to Everything Iconic with me, Danny Pellegrino. Today we're going to be talking about the Traitors Season four finale and the Reunion, so if you have not watched it, please turn this off. Again. Spoiler alert. Do not keep listening if you have not Watched the Traders season finale because I'm going to be getting into it, I'm going to be talking about what I think about it, then talk about how Mora made it to the end, but she was dickmatized. I, I think she was in love. Ah, we have so much to discuss. What a season of Traders this was. I honestly, by the end of it, although I was complaining last week that I got bored after the Housewives left the show and I really did enjoy it by the end this season finale, it was maybe a little long, a little long in the tooth than the challenge I was kind of bored by. But aside from that, I was like, this was a good season of tv and I even really loved the reunion. I thought the reunion was like a good mix of the drama that we come to know from the Bravo world. And I'm sure that some of the people who love the gaming shows don't maybe always love the housewife drama that comes to the Traders, but I think it's sort of that special sauce, that mix. Because I was watching the reunion and I was like, yeah, we get some messiness, some drama. The Housewives were maybe doing a little too much in the reunion, which we'll talk about. But overall I just thought it was a great season of tv. I really loved it. It was like a nice little murder mystery at the beginning of the year to get us through January and February and now we'll move on. I'm curious to see what they'll do going forward. And I'm most fascinated, I think, with traitors casting because I think they do a really good job and it must be a hard mix of trying to find the right people that bring you dramatics and then also you need to have some more level headed gamers. And ultimately the show had a handful of flops. I mean, we could talk about how Mark was murdered at the beginning of this episode with that head of hair of his. They stuffed his mane into a casket and the group leaves him in a ring of fire. I don't even know if they lit that much fire. They lit one candle and Mark's hairspray did the rest of the job for him because he was sitting in that casket and there was fire all around it. Anyway, Mark from Dancing with the Stars, you know, someone like him, I'm like, what did he offer? And then some of the flop people, I thought maybe by the end they'll start to have more screen time, they'll come alive a little bit more. But that didn't happen with people like Mark. Or Stephen Coletti or some of the others. So I, at the end, did love Johnny and Tara. They were one of my. Maybe my favorite part of the end of the show, because even at the reunion, I was watching them, and I felt like there's such genuine love and a deep friendship bond between the two of them. And I don't know if I was just in a. In a happy mood or if I was just feeling kind of sappy, but I was watching them at the reunion when they were filming from Italy or wherever the fuck they were, and I just could see the love between the two of them. It's like they just seem like they have this unshakable, beautiful bond that I think most gay people and straight women, we all have those people in our lives, right? If you're a woman out there, I'm sure you have a gay man in your life that you have a deep friendship bond with. I know I have my girlfriends, and it was nice to see. So I love that. And, I don't know, people were saying, oh, we need to see them on something else. I'm not really sure they offer, you know, like, I would like them on a commentary or maybe they start a podcast or something, but I'm not sure that they really offer much to reality tv, you know, So I don't know that I need Tara and Johnny Elsewhere on RealityTV, because it was nice to see their friendship. But let's have a podcast or something about it. Maybe we don't need them on Housewives or Big Brother, I don't know, one of these other shows. But it was nice to see that real, genuine love. Because even, you know, it's interesting with the show. It's called Traitors. And obviously these people are getting these deep bonds with people, and some of them are getting it, taking it too personal when they get turned on. And other people are just realizing, no, this is a game. And you see something like Rob and Maura, who. I think they do have sexual chemistry between the two of them. I know at the reunion, Andy was asking, like, are you single? Rob said, he's not single, unfortunately. But I think Mara wanted it. She wanted to get it. She wanted to wrangle that snake. And I don't. I blame her for it because he's a gorgeous man. But they developed a bond, and it is hard, I would imagine, in the castle. It's like, you get so close with people, but then they betray you. And it's like, well, were we friends or were we not friends? I don't know. But it was the finale. We mentioned Mark being murdered. Then we have the last breakfast and Alan comes in. He calls him the party of five. Did you guys watch Party 5? I was like a big party of five head. I even followed it to that spinoff with Jennifer Lafewette. Remember? Did you guys see there was a spin off of Party five years ago with Sarah. She left. She left Bailey. That was really actually a big mistake. They spun off Jennifer Love Hewitt and it was like, no, she's supposed to be with Bailey and that's why people don't watch. But she went off to college or. Where did she go to New York or something. And she met up with Jennifer Garner. I even watched that spinoff. That's how much I was a party of Five had Love that show. I love that there was a time where it wasn't, am I making this up? It was like 90210. And then Melrose Place would often follow 90210. But I think maybe some at some point party of five did. Am I wrong about that? I don't know. 90210 was like the peak pinnacle in our house. Like, we all watched. It was like family Hour. We all watched 902 and, oh, like my mom, my dad didn't watch, but my mom and my brothers, we all sat down watching 90210 when we. When I was a probably 7 years old or something because that was, you know, I was young watching 920 with the fam. But that was our show. That and Sopranos. It was like the Pellegrinos were gathering to watch Sopranos and 900 and. Which was not appropriate for me as a child, but I loved it. Anyway, back to Traitors. We have the last breakfast. Mara's shocked to be in the finale, and she talks about how all these men have cheated on her. And I was like, I don't know. How are all these men cheating on Mara? She's so gorgeous. I mean, granted, she didn't play the game. I guess she sort of. Here's the thing with Traitors is like, can you say she played it smart? Because she did make it to the end, but she kind of made it to the end as a dummy. And so it's hard to say she's smart because she just sort of accidentally made it to the end, you know, but she says at this last breakfast, she's like, I do think Tara's a fateful. And so she tinks that. And I'm happy that she thinks that she's A fateful. But ultimately, she did vote Tara out. But at the breakfast nook, they cheers to Mark. They're like, what a dancer. And I'm like, do we even see him dance? That's a whole nother network. Like, I didn't see him doing anything. The only dancing on the show I saw was that conga line. So what do you mean? What are you talking about? Did he dance on. Maybe he danced on one of the challenges. And I just fast forward because you know how you fast forward through the challenges. Sometimes I get a little bored. I do. But then, so Alan comes in, he's like, oh, I got my party five. And Johnny and Tara, they think it's Rob and Eric are the traitors, but they need Mara to get him out or one of them out. Meanwhile, Rob's in that summer of 1990 shirt, and it was doing it for me. I mean, that man just brought a couple T shirts to the castle. He didn't even have to do much. And he's still. That's what's frustrating about him. It's like everybody else had to bring these elaborate outfits and costumes. Really, they were costumes. And then Rob's just showing up in this shirt he probably bought at a thrift, and it's the hottest one. That's frustrating. But for the challenge, he's got to head up in the helicopter. And Rob and Mara, they fly away in a helicopter. And I thought this was. It seemed unsafe to me. I'm sure they had to sign some releases, and there was maybe some insurance situation going on, but I was thinking about, like, just flying up in that helicopter. Granted, I did jump out of a helicopter once. I know that sounds unlike me, but I did do skydiving when I was, I think, like, 18 or 19 years old or something with my brother and some friends, and. Scariest thing in my life. And I look back and I'm like, what the fuck was I thinking? Like, why did I jump out of a plane for fun? Like, it's nuts. But I did it. I did it. And I remember it was like a rickety plane in Ohio, and then you get up to 10,000ft, and then they sort of teach you. But you're the first time you skydive, you're strapped to somebody. So I was. I had some man on me, or I was. Was I in. The man was strapped on my back like a backpack, which normally sounds great, but you're so scared up in the helicopter, it's like you can't think of anything. I don't know what was happening with that man behind me, But I was just relying on him to save my life. Because you jump out of the plane, you can't think straight. You take some lesson before you jump out of the plane that they tell you, oh, this is how you're supposed to jump out and everything. It's like you get up there and you can't think straight. At one point, I was, like, starting to put my foot out the plane or the helicopter, and the man's like, no, not yet. I'm like, oh, fuck. You know, whoops. But, you know, you're just sort of figuring it out in the helicopter. So when I'm watching Rob and Mara, they didn't even have no one strapped to them, and they were kind of, like, hanging out of it. I was like, what is this? Am I watching Face off with John Travolta and Nicolas Cage, or am I watching the traitors? Because they're doing stunts. They're doing stunts. Mora, though, suggests Eric's a traitor, and Rob's pissed about that because up in the helicopter now he's got a bambooza. Mora, a little bit more. And I do think he. I do tink. He was. I do Tink.
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Danny Pellegrino
I do tink. He wasn't telling her the truth, but I. I think he's sort of using, like, a flirtation. And he said at the reunion, Mara's like, oh, I wasn't flirting with you. And Rob's like, there was a little flirting, and I think he was flirting with her a little bit to bamboozle her, and it was good bamboozlement.
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Danny Pellegrino
You do what you got to do to bamboozle in this game. But I was sort of zoning out during this challenge. It felt like forever. They made it seem like Rob, at one point, when he was jumping out of that plane, was, like, dead in the water. And I was like, I think he's fine, you guys. They went to, like, a pretend commercial on. I watched it on Peacock, but you know how they. They sort of have commercial breaks even on the peacock? And then I don't know if I pay for the expensive peacock or what, but there weren't actual commercial breaks, but it, like, fades to black, and then it comes back. And so they did it when Rob jumped out of the helicopter, and they made it seem like it was going to come back from break, and it's like, maybe Rob didn't make it. Like, it's like, well, where did Rob go? What would have happened? Would he drown in the thing? And then we just continued on with the season. So it's like, I love when they try to pretend, oh, we're gonna go to commercial break. Maybe Rob. Maybe Rob has perished in the lake and he's missing. I don't know. But then it does seem like it gets cold in the water. It's some trivia game. I don't know. They had to, like, answer trivia questions, but the walkie talkie. Then afterwards they go to the pool room. Tara's confident because she says she does good under pressure. She's like, as an ice skater, we have to come alive for four minutes. And when I'm under pressure, that's when I come alive. And I get. I'm sort of fascinated by the Tara and Johnny, the way they talk about their sport and their career. I think that's interesting. Has there been. Maybe this is like something that's been done before. But you know how there was that show cheer, or don't you think they should do a version of that for ice skating? Because I feel like ice skaters, especially like at that Olympic level, I think they're raised a little nuts. Maybe that's a generalization. And I apologize to Johnny and Tara if they're listening. But I do feel like to get that level and they allude to it a bunch of the times throughout the series of the Traitors where it's like alluding to their childhood where it's like they were in competition and that was what they were focused on and nothing else mattered. There is something weird about that of like, for Olympic level, I'm sure for any sport, but for ice skating, I feel like those ice skaters you always hear stories about, like, oh, I didn't go to school, I just spent all my time on the ice. And their parents have to raise you so competitive in that field. And so I don't know, there should be some. Shouldn't there be like a reality show about, like, ice moms, like dance moms, but ice moms or something like that? I'd watch shit on that. Or Ice Moms and Dads. Remember there was on the early days of Bravo, the Bravo days of yesteryear, there was a show called Showbiz Moms and Dads. Anyone out there remember it? And I would like to see Ice Moms and Dads. Johnny also appeared. I hate to speak the name of this, but Johnny also appeared in Bethany's spin off show where she was ice skating with him. Do you remember? It was like she did a show called Skating. Was it Skating with the Stars or something? It was like a flop show. And on Bethany's spinoff, which I tend to watch like once a year. Ish. If you've never watched it, it's haunting. It's about the dissolution of a marriage. It's more haunting than marriage story. So if you've never watched it at the beginning, it's like it's her spin off launches with them getting married and then by the end they hate each other. And then they went through like a 10 year divorce. But that's neither here nor there. The point is Johnny appeared on that as ice skater. I don't know. Was he a celebrity ice skater? I don't know. But Maura said sort of. At one point in the pool room, I thought Maura was playing Eric and Rob. I don't know. I saw an interview with one of the gamers who was on a previous season and forgive me, I don't know who it was because it was just a clip that showed up on TikTok and she was saying she swore on her kid in the game and people thought that was bad, but she said, no, it's a game. Nothing matters in the game and you should. And I thought this was an interesting question to pose to you guys on the podcast. Like, if somebody in the castle, if you were on Traitors and somebody swore on their kid, would you believe them and. Or would you feel comfortable swearing on your child, on your child's life for the game? Because I sort of understood what she was saying in this interview. Again, just a quick little clip, but I was thinking, yeah, it is a game and if the goal is to win it, like, that is a smart gameplay move and ultimately you are doing it for your child. Now, is it sort of bad vibes? Yes, of course. But isn't everything in this game bad vibes? I mean, I keep saying even isn't it like bad juju or whatever you want to call it to get in a casket that's surrounded by fires? Like that seems like a bad omen or I don't know what the word I'm looking for is, but it doesn't that seem bad? So it's like if you're swearing on your kid, how much worse is that than hopping in a casket on your own for the traitors? Like you're kind of playing a game and playing a role. I don't know. So. But I thought, like, could I do that? I don't think I could do that because I, I think I would have that Catholic guilt of like, I can't swear on my kid for, for the prize money, especially because this prize money I don't think ultimately matters for any of them. The goal for celebrity traders is to like, get to the end so that they get better brand deals, right? Like, it's not. How much did he make? $200,000 once it's taxed and it goes out to his. I guess they don't. Reps don't get prize money, but he's still 220k. Taxed, unfortunately, is not that much in these days, in these times because they have to spend so much time of the year not only doing the show, but they'll make money on the back end on the influencer deals. But I do think that prize pot should be higher for a show like this. That's one of the number one shows. Definitely the number one show on Peacock. It's like, loosen up the purse strings a little bit. But I've talked about that too many times. I know people are going to be like, okay, Dan, you've mentioned that a million times. But it's like, come on, Peacock, you're giving out 220k. I know to a lot of us that seems like a lot, but for these people and for how much the show brings in, it's not much. It's just not okay. So then Johnny is voted out. He hugs Tara. They're cute. They really should do a podcast. That feels like the right. Maybe they already do a podcast, but they seem to me like that. Like, I would like to hear their thoughts on little things, but I don't necessarily need them on another reality show. But I would like to just see their friendship be nice, you know, And I, I would be devastated if they ever broke up their friendship. I just would. I would. Let's take a break here. We're going to come back. We got so much more to discuss and thank you to Acast. We'll be right back. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. I've been thinking a lot lately about how easy it is to power through things, to tell yourself you're fine, stay busy enough that you don't actually have to check in with what's going on underneath the surface. And sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. Therapy isn't about having everything fall apart. It's about maintenance. It's about having a space that's just yours where you can sort through the stress, relationships, anxiety, goals, or even just the day to day stuff. That overwhelms you. 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We're back. Have mercy. All right, so Johnny's voted out. Post roundtable. Rob and Maura are flirting. They're actually holding hands. You guys. I. That's flirting, right? Like, I don't think that's. If it was Johnny and Tara holding hands. Like, yes, that's just friendship. But something about Rob and Mara holding hands. It's just Mara with those hats too. Are the hats where. How many hats did she bring? And some of her, they get bigger and bigger as the time goes on. It's like, how did she have room in the suitcase for all them hats? She's got a lot of hats, a lot of hat work happening. Amara. And I think we've talked about this before, but doesn't she look like that Guess who character? You know, remember that game, Guess who? The more time went on, it's like she looks exactly like that Guess who character with the hats. Anyway, then let's see, Tara tells Maura to stop being a dumb shit. And then they all sit down with Alan and try to pretend they need the money. Like Alan has to interview them and I don't think we need this. But Alan's like, what would the money mean to you? And they all have to say, like, pretend, you know, but they're not. I'm not saying they wouldn't love the money and it's not nice to get a big check like that. I'm just saying realistically, they're trying to pretend like this is going to be life changing money. Like when Rob said all the things he wanted to do with the money. I was like, it ain't going to get you that far. Unfortunately not in these times. I mean, look out the window, right? Like, go to the. Go to the grocery store and try to figure it out. Unfortunately, after taxes and after. I guess Rob didn't have to pay, the rest of them had to do, like a wardrobe budget. You know, I'm sure they spent money on the wardrobe. They probably gave him like a small stipend for wardrobe. But some of them went over that stipend, I would believe. And so anyway, let's move on. But then. Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan. Some of that. What was. How do we. The hair. What was happening here? Alan was sort of dressed in this, like, blue gay Cookie Monster outfit at the final roundtable with a haircut that looked like the woman from Notting Hill who freaks out when she meets Julia Roberts. Do you know what I'm talking about? You know, I love Notting Hill. Nothing better than Notting Hill. I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love her. Ah, you guys. That scene, Julia Roberts standing in front of Hugh Grant saying that it breaks my heart every time in the most beautiful of ways. And I also love. I used to have Notting Hill on dvd. And I would also watch that scene with the song when youn say Nothing At All. And they sit in that park bench. Julia Roberts, when she climbs that fence and she's. Hugh Grant then tries to climb and he's like, whoopsie daisy. And then they go into this park that they break into and they sit on this bench and they read the inscription. It's like something about a couple. I forget. What was the inscription? Anyway, that's not the point. Then it plays that song when you say Nothing at All. When you say nothing at All. You know that song? I can't sing. Anyway, Nottingham's so great. But the Hugh Grant. Is it his sister? You know, the quirky one who freaks out about Julia Roberts. That's what Alan was dressed like. Or the Cynthia doll from Rugrats or something. It was like that hair was kind of going all over the place or somebody. I saw somebody online said he looked like the. The crazy Barbie. Do you know, the Kate McKinnon one? Anyway, they're surrounded by so many candles. It's like a lit. Lit up Bath and Body Works. I thought it was dangerous. I'm glad Mark was voted out because with his hairspray around, all those fucking candles, that whole set would have went up in flames because there were so many Candles at this point where they were all surrounded. And Tara was voted out. She's. Then Eric was voted out. And we're just going quick. It's like Fast and Furious now. It's like everybody's. Everybody's going by the wayside, and they have to reveal that. Rob's embarrassed because he had to reveal to Maura that he is actually a traitor. He fooled her. And Maura is legitimately in shock. Like, she had tears in her eyes. She's like, are you joking? Are you joking? I think you're joking. And she was just very clearly. I tink you're joking. I tink you're joking. And she was very clearly thinking he was joking, and unfortunately he wasn't. She was just waiting for him to be like, J. J.K. just kidding. Got you. I got you. You know, that's what she was waiting to say. Like, I got you caught. But. But unfortunately, he was actually a traitor. So she was waiting. And. And I. I don't think he was joking, but she calls him an absolute asshole. She's like, you pinky promised you're a piece of work. I was so convinced. You've embarrassed me. Don't speak. And ultimately, she had no hard feelings. She said, I tink. I'm just in shock. I thought I was winning. She thought she was winning, and she thought she was gonna split the prize pot with Rob. And unfortunately, she's not, because he's taking home all the money. And he played a good game. I think he did play a good game. And so he's taken home all that money. At the reunion, I think they had said that he was going to buy her a Birkin or something. And as Portia pointed out in the reunion, he can't even buy a shirt. What do you mean he's going to be buying her? Was it a Birkin or maze bag or something? Some bag he was going to buy her. And Portia's like, he can't even buy a fucking shirt. So what do you mean he's going to. He's always in them overalls and an undershirt. So I don't think he's going to be going to buy you a bag, but I think she deserves a bag. At the very least, she. She should get something. Something nice from him, a nice gift. I don't know. Something that can't be taxed. What's like, the tax amount? Isn't there a certain amount you can gift? I think that should be what he should give her. But then, yeah, she calls him a Snake. And she's like, you're a fucking snake. But well done. She's got a good attitude about it. And I don't know if. If, like, Rinna or somebody else had made it to the end, I don't think they'd have a good attitude about it. I just don't. But Alan and Rob end the show by having champagne by the fire pit. There's fireworks that I think are cgi, but Rob says, people just see me as a dumb, hot person, but I won. And then Alan ends the whole show by lighting up that ugly ass. I'm sorry to say, ugly ass jacket. I don't mean to say ugly ass, but some of these. I always loved Alan's looks on this show, and I guess there can't be, but. But this one at the end, it was like a little. It just didn't work. It felt like a little a bridge too far for me. Did it? Am I crazy? It just felt like, oh, we're just purposely looking nuts now. Like, I always felt like a lot of his looks in previous seasons, they're playing up the theatricality and. But they still feel like put together and not like, trolling the audience. Like this outfit with the light ups and the hair that was crazy like, that. It felt like he was trying to go so above and beyond to look so ugly and in turn, be campy about it. But then as an audience member, I just didn't care for that. That's me personally. I just thought, like, let's bring back some of the class and decorum and play up the theatricality of it. But I don't like, like, oh, everyone thinks I'm so fashionable. Let me wear the ugliest thing I could find at the store and do my hair like Cynthia from Rugrats. I just didn't care for it. That was my opinion. And then what else happens? Then we got the reunion. Should we talk about the reunion? Let's take one more quick break, and then we're gonna come back and discuss this reunion. And let's get into it, baby. Let's go. Okay. 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Danny Pellegrino
We're back. All right, the Reunion. Now, Housewives fans know that on the podcast, I usually don't recap the reunions. I very rarely will dip in sometimes. We'll have a few thoughts here and there. And the same thing with the Traders reunion. I think the reunions are hard to recap because it's just people sort of sitting on a stage and. And oftentimes with the Housewives unions, there are three parts. This was luckily only one part. It was an hour. I felt like it was a tight hour. And as I said at the top of the show, I think there was a good mix of drama and fights, and then also just, like, learning a little bit about the gameplay. I don't think there was too much revealed. We opened with Andy in the overalls. He, like, ripped down that cloak, and then he was in the overalls showing off them guns. And then he settled into a suit or something and welcomed everybody out to the stage. And he first had Rob out there talk to Rob, and then they were trickling out all the traitors. So they had Candace and Rinna. And it was interesting watching the Housewives on this reunion because they were all leaning into the Housewife reunion model, which is, let's fight with each other. Let's bring receipts. So we had people like Rinna and Portia and Candace. Dorinda was sort of quiet at the reunion, to be honest with you. And I don't know, there were so many of them. It maybe would have benefited from being a little longer or two parts, but the Housewives really, I felt like were doing, like, what they do on Housewives for reunion. And then what was interesting was like, Michael Rapoport was also leaning into the Housewives model now. Michael Rapoport. I don't know what else to say about that, man, other than, I'm happy that we're done with this season. Like, I'm happy that I'm happy that we're done with that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm happy that we're done with that. Because it was a lot. Even at the reunion, I felt like they had edited out a lot of the shenanigans that he was doing at the reunion because he was, like, trying to do the Dorinda clip thing, and he was trying to argue back and forth with Portia, but it felt like he was just playing a role and, like, trying to do what Housewives do at a reunion. And it was like, oh, stop it. It was just making me very uncomfortable. And what they Left in to me felt like they had cut a lot out. So I think he was probably 10 times more obnoxious in that room or on that show than what we saw. Because what I was watching it was like they cut around that man. And anyway, I'm glad we're done with that now. We also had a lot of stuff between Colton and Rinna. Now, I was most excited going in about this because if you've been following Rinna on her book tour or I've seen like social media clips and stuff where she has done interviews, she was on the views. She's been doing all these interviews because she's got the new book out. And as she's been doing these interviews, people are also asking about the traders. And her and Colton seem to have this big back and forth. And I was seeing online, it was reported like they unfollowed each other. And then Rinna had. I don't know if it was in a book tour or interview somewhere, but she had said she addressed everything with Colton and she said Peacock was gonna cut out from the reunion. When she addressed him and the word hostage and stuff, she's like, they're gonna cut. And then there was this back and forth about whether or not Colton stormed out of the reunion. And ultimately what we saw, there was no storm outs. And I think that rumor was debunked that they just took a break and then he took a long break or something. But we saw none of that in the reunion. But we did see the moment where she confronted him about the word hostage he used or something. And it was just I sort of said on the podcast last week, Rinna does. She's great PR for any of these shows she's on because she makes people want to tune in. She knows how to kind of ride that line about like, this is what's juicy and coming and this is I'm going to deliver a show. But that to me is what was the downfall on Housewives is like I have trouble discerning even as someone who's recapped reality TV for so long and I've taken notes on all these shows and all that kind of stuff. I have trouble understanding what's real out of Rinna and what's just a show. She's a showman and she's a good showman and that's why I think she works so great on reality tv because you could throw her in and she's going to deliver a performance and she's gonna. But after watching her so long, I'm Like, I don't know what's real and what. What's. Obviously all housewives kind of play up if. I think the trick on a reality show is that you play up your emotions. So if you're a little sad, you have to be bigger on camera, you're more sad about it, or if you're angry or even more angry on camera. And certainly all the housewives do that. But I think there's like, gotta be a nugget of truth in the emotion that they're. That they're magnifying. And with Rinna, I. I tend to not know if there's a nugget of truth there or if it's just made up to put on a show. And I kind of lean towards her not even having a nugget of truth in there. It's just like putting on a show. But ultimately we did see there was nothing cut from the reunion. But then I'm like, watching when I saw her interviews beforehand and alluding to the storm off and this big drama with her and Colton then watching it, I'm like, well, that didn't really seem like it was there. Maybe they cut around it, but. But it's like, that's where it loses me. It loses me. But I have been seeing clips of her book. I think I might have mentioned this last week on the pod, but I've been hearing clips of her audiobook on TikTok, and it sounds actually very juicy. And as someone who's a ghostwriter before and written my own books, I am fascinated by how she was able to get so much in the book because the clips and stuff that I've heard have been really juicy about her time on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And maybe it's because she's off the show now and she doesn't care about burning any of those bridges. But I'm surprised that so much got out in the book about, like, I don't know, the other housewives and stuff. Yeah, I don't know. I always say with the House five books, the big issue is that the readers, we want the Juice on, like, the show. And the trope that a lot of them go into with their House five books or with their memoirs is it's like they're telling us about growing up and where they grew up in their kindergarten class and stuff like that. And ultimately the audience doesn't really give a shit. Right? Like, they. We don't give a shit. Like, we're looking for the Juice. And I think there's a difference between, like, a creative writer and someone who's telling their life story in a memoir format. And with the Housewives, they're telling their life story. But like most of us, we only want to skip ahead to when they join the Housewives or when they have a project we're interested in. And too many of the Housewives books, they lean into that of, like, oh, I'm gonna tell everything leading up to that. And it just. We don't care. We just want to hear the Juice about the show. And so all the clips that I've seen of Rinna's book, it seems like she's actually getting into the nitty gritty of, like, her relationship with LVP and Garcelle. And it almost. I don't know. I've been let down by so many housewife books in the past. I don't know if I'm going to read it, but it almost makes me want to read it. I did enjoy the Shina Shea book. I did. I know. And I felt like she did a good job of throwing everyone under the bus, and that's probably why she's no longer employed by the network. But it was good for my own entertainment. The other issue with all those Bravo Liberty books is that most of the audience, we just go on Us Weekly or whatever, and there's always an article that's, like, the biggest revelations from this Brava Liberties book. And so we just go on there to see the revelations. And then you don't even need to read the book because it's not like you're reading the book and you're getting some, like, great prose. You know, you're just looking for the dirt. Anyway, if anyone's read somebody, tell me. I haven't heard from anyone directly. Like, somebody tell me if you've read the Rena book. Let me know if it's good or not if I need to check it out, because we'll check it out. Because maybe I do need to. I don't know. What was he talking about before then? Traders, Reunion, the outfits. Did we talk about the outfits? Everyone looked nice. There was also something that I thought was cut between Ron and Rod and Dorinda. Didn't Ron say in an interview he was, like, confronting Dorinda about something that happened that then. We never saw anything about that. Like, what happened there then? There was also some people at the reunion where I was like, I don't even remember them being on the show. Like, I don't recall them. I don't remember them in a challenge. I Don't remember them at a roundtable. Even Ian, I think Ian was. Was he voted off first? There's a lot of stuff with him. And when we're getting to the nitty gritty with Ian, I'm like, I don't give a flying fuck about that, because that was what first episode? I don't even remember any of that. So I felt like they spent way too much time on that. We could have gotten the Ron and Dorinda stuff instead of that. Portia really came alive. Even though Portia was. She was the first one at the roundtable voted out. She really came alive. I also thought Donna Kelsey, she was in. In top form, meaning, like, she wasn't afraid of anybody. Like, she was kind of giving some sass to everybody. And I like that they kept calling her Mama and Mama. Kelsey also revealed that Taylor Swift was watching the show. That's right. That's right. The Swift family was watching. And that is fascinating to me. I need to know what Taylor thinks about all the Housewives. I wish Taylor would come on the podcast and just, like, give me her thoughts about everybody on Traitors and Housewives. Because if I feel like if you watch Traitors, aren't you going to be interested in diving into the Housewives a little bit into the Housewives lore? And we know a lot of these celebrities watch. They watch these shows, they watch the Housewives. I met Selena Gomez once, and she was talking all about Vanderpump Rules. She was into it. She was into it. So we know these people, they watch them, and I need to know their thoughts on them. I think that's one of the things we love about Rihanna, is that she watches. And unfortunately, we very rarely get glimpses into their thoughts on them. So it's like, if we were to get Rihanna and Taylor Swift on a podcast to just talk about these people, it would be heaven. And I. And not to, like, I don't want to hear about anything else. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want them to go on a podcast and, like, promote a project. I want them an hour. Just, like, just only Housewives thoughts or Traders thoughts. That's what I need from them. And if Donna and Taylor Swift could get on a podcast for an hour and just talk about Traders like that. That we would eat that shit up. We would. And then, I don't know, they could release, like, at the end maybe. Maybe there's like, a promo at the end of the hour where it's like, she's releasing a new variant of Opalite or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that get us all on board. And that could be how she benefits from it. But otherwise, I just need an hour with her and Donna talking about traitors because. Yeah, but Donna was not afraid to give sass to anybody on that stage. And I liked it. I was like, put her on Housewives. I don't know where she's. Is she in Ohio? She's from an Ohio gal. She's got that no nonsense Ohio attitude that I recognize that I feel in my soul and bones. She reminds me of all the. The moms I grew up with, hanging out with. Had a sleepover of my friends and getting breakfast with the moms of the house. That's what I used to do. And so she looks like she was. Reminds me of someone, a mom that I would have, like, had went to a friend's house for a sleepover and then like, I would have gotten up early and hung out with the mom. She maybe would have poured me some cereal and had a cigarette while she told me her life's troubles. Like that would have been Donna, Kelsey and I. And I think I'm sort of close in age to Travis and so maybe that could have happened. You know, we're from Ohio. It's like in another world, I think. Like, I was friends with them, you know, that's. That's my truth. That is. I think they bought. There were these rumors that Taylor and Travis bought a house in Chagrin Falls, which is right where. Near where I grew up. And it's a beautiful area. It's a beautiful area. Okay, what were we talking about? So Donna did good on the reunion. What else? I don't know if I. That's about all I got on the reunion. Only thoughts I got on the reunion. It was good. I thought this season was great. By the end, I was tired and I was thinking, I'm gonna miss this. I'm gonna miss this. And I think coming soon to NBC. They kept telling us on this peacock. It kept saying coming soon to NBC. There's a new traders where I think they're calling it, like the civilian version. So it's not celebrities. It's just gonna be anybody who wants to apply. And I'm excited to watch that, but I don't know that I can do. We'll see. I don't know that I'm one of these people with the Traders where I could do like multiple cycles a year. Like, I can do the one I can dive in in January. And February, but I don't know if it's going to be a year long commitment for me and I worry about the show that they, they try to milk it too much and it's like maybe keep it a special thing and do it once a year. The civilian version I am interested in seeing though, so I will, I will tiptoe into that. But I'm just not sure that we need a million incarnations of it. I know a lot of people will do like the UK one or these other country ones. Even my husband, he watches one of them. I think the UK one as well as the US one. But I don't know if I could do many of them. But I love this time of year. I thought it was just a fun mystery whodunit and I had a great time and I'm happy to move on and I probably won't remember any of this moving forward. You know, I don't, I don't know that the show was like going to stick with me in the way that other shows do. But I really had a great time and so bravo to them. And oh, the other thing I want to say about the reunion, I did like how the style of like having them kind of like on a off side stage, like the people they weren't really talking to and then they would show us these little on the lower part of the screen, they would show them reacting to the people who were on stage and then they'd call out new people. I thought that was really good. Oh, Candace. You know, Candice was kind of flopping in the reunion for me too. I do want to mention that she was trying to tell Rob like, oh, he did this wrong or that wrong. And I don't know, she just was sort of flopping. To me, even her exchange with Portia, Candace was sort of flopping. And it was unfortunate because I was loving Candace so much throughout the season of Traitors. And I was thinking we need Candace back on Potomac. But then I thought she had kind of a bad reunion performance. I'm like, oh, actually maybe we don't need her back on Potomac. Now Beverly Hills could use Rinna, but she ain't going back. I think she said in an interview if they gave her 5 billion, which they would never, obviously they don't have 5 million for the whole season, let alone to give Rinna. But she ain't coming back to house size. I never say never though. Never say never because who knows, in a couple years if she don't have nothing else going on, she might be calling up Bravo and saying, hey, put me in coach. I'm ready to feud with Splits, Richards or whoever the fuck is left on that show. Anyway, moving on. Love you all so much for listening. Have a great weekend. If you're listening to this on Friday as it's released and we'll be back next week, we're covering on the show. If you're not watching Summerhouse, I'm covering Summerhouse on the podcast and so maybe dive in and join us for those recaps. If you've just been joining me for the Traders recaps and you've had a good time. And then also subscribe to the podcast wherever you listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever to get all the new episodes. But I do one new episode a week and I'm currently covering Summer House. But then as soon as Summer House is over, we'll be diving into a new show. I don't know what'll be on, but we're going to be talking about everything that's happening in the Bravo world. Also, I want to say quickly, as I mentioned the Bravo World, Mary Cosby's son, unfortunately Robert has passed and just want to send love to the Bravo world and it is just so tragic and everything. And so my heart goes out to Mary and all family and friends and just may he rest in peace. And so. But tune in. I don't. That's a hard shift, a hard left. Tune in though next week for a Summer House recap and then I'll leave you with this. This episode is sponsored by State Farm. 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