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Jen Romolini
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Listener
Hi and welcome to Everything is Fine, a podcast for women over 40. We are your hosts. I'm Kim France.
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Jen Romolini
And I'm Gin Romolini.
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Listener
And Jen, you had another bummer this week.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, another cat death. Two in one month. I mean, everybody probably knows about this who follows me anywhere. That's not here. But yeah, it was a rapid decline of Poor, poor, mean. Dolly Parton did not go peacefully. She did not go peacefully, but it was fast. It was. She just started. She just started declining on Wednesday night and by the middle of the night Thursday night, she was gone. It was crazy. It was not fast enough for me to take any action. I was gonna take her to the vet because she had woken up or the night before. She was not walking right, but she had been totally normal up to this point. In fact, I had taken her to the vet like last month and they were like, ah, her kidneys are because she just had been yelling, as discussed on this podcast. It was just like a. Yelling at all times. Like, at any time, you could just have a cat just start yelling at you. Like, at, like, top volume. And the vet was like, all of her levels look okay. Her kidneys are a little bit. Whatever. Anyway, it's 24 hours of just a rapid, harrowing decline of this animal. And. And then in the middle of the night, Thursday night, she was. She was gone.
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Listener
I just. I think it's remarkable, especially since you talked about how Ruby and Dolly Parton didn't really have a lot of affection for each other, that I really feel that they obviously kept each other alive. And maybe they really were, like, complete competitors and they just. They weren't going to go first, right?
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Jen Romolini
Maybe. Maybe it was that. Who knows? Who knows what their relationship was? Like, it didn't seem nice to me. It didn't seem like the kind of friend I would want. But, you know, it was sad. It was just sad. Even when the cat kind of sucks, it's just sad. Like, I loved her so much. Charlotte loved her so much. Like, she was such a bitch. It's like. It's just. She's amazing. Like, she was the cat that, like, makes people not like cats, you know?
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Listener
Well, you. I know. And you sent me. Like, I was like, okay, Jen's always talking about how Dolly Parton says, like, how much of a bitch can she be? And then after she died, you sent me a bunch of photos of Dolly Parton making, like, unmistakable bitch face.
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Jen Romolini
Well, also, she used to terrorize anyone who came into our house. We couldn't get our house clean for a long time until I figured out a solution, which was never getting my office cleaned by anyone. Anybody who came into the house, she would terrorize. I mean, to the point that, like, people, like cleaners came in, they would lock themselves in a bathroom. Like, it was dramatic because she was like, I have to, at some point, send you these. These screen grabs of, like, the messages. Even, like, cat sitters if we went out of town. Like, it was always euphemistic, but it was basically like, your cat is a monster. The white cat. The white cat. Anyway, now she's gone, and I'm sad. But, like, we were just talking about before we got on here, like, you just live with a dying animal. Like, not a declining animal. You live with them for a long time, and you just. You get used to it. Like, I just was used to, like, oh, if I wake up in the morning, I step in the Wrong place. I might step in a pool of anything. Like, who knows? Like. And I was constantly cleaning and I had. I was constantly, like, deodorizing. It was just, you know, it was just a part of my life that I'm sad to have these animals gone. But that was you. You know, you just adjust to whatever the needs are of the house. And these animals had a lot of needs toward the end. No.
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Listener
Well, they were two exceedingly old cats.
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Jen Romolini
They were. They were.
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Listener
How old is the dog? I'm thinking about the dog now.
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Jen Romolini
Stop. She's sitting next to me. Does she. The dog is six and a half. She's very sweet, and I hope that's a bit pretty young.
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Listener
It is young.
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Jen Romolini
It is young. But now my whole thing is. I think I do want another cat or I do want another animal, but not now. My whole thing is no pets till the east coast. Like, in three and a half years, I want to move. So I'm like, in no sleep till Brooklyn. I'm like, no cats till Baltimore or wherever the fuck I'm going to move. Because Charlotte's like, let's get a kitten. And I'm like, no, not now. Not now. Not now with, you know, we're gonna move and everything else.
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Listener
No. I was briefly considering a cat because, as you know, I have this ongoing mouse problem, which has improved, but it's still a problem.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah.
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Listener
And like, mice, just as soon as they smell the smell of, like, cat litter, they just stay away.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, no, that's. That's. You know, they're the. In some way. Look, cats are fucking great. You would love a cat. You just haven't had the right cat. You would love a cat. A cat is great. A cat, like, loves you and then goes away. Like, a cat is, like, exactly your type of creature.
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Listener
They just. All they do, because they know I don't like them is walk up to me, get in my lap, and then show me their butt.
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Jen Romolini
You know what? That's. Because it's not your cat. Once you have. Like, the thing is about cats is they very much. Especially as if you get one as a kitten, they in that first, like, whatever it is, couple months of a cat's life, they bond with whomever is around, and then they never really bond with anyone after that again. Like, they're just like, you're my parent. We're gonna figure this out together. That's been my experience with cats. And I was not like, a super cat person until I got these cats. And then I was like, oh, my God, this is the best because they're also. They're, like, clever in a way that a dog is not. They're. They're smart. They're, like, wily. They're interesting. They fuck with you in a way that's kind of fun. I very much enjoyed having cats for as long as I did, and now it's weird because a part of my identity is gone. I'm not a cat lady anymore. I have no cats. It's crazy.
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Listener
That is crazy.
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Jen Romolini
After 16 years, almost 17.
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Listener
Well, on the upside, you won't have to have quite as many, you know, lint rollers in your life.
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Jen Romolini
Lint rollers. Just lit, just litter box changing. Who likes that? Nobody likes that. And, you know, no furniture getting destroyed. So that's over for now. But really, we need to talk about the thing, the giant, disgusting elephant in the room, because this is gonna come out next Monday, which is the day before election Day. And I would like to encourage. I suspect that I am preaching to the choir mostly, but I would just like to encourage people who maybe are considering not voting or protest voting or doing something that will show them, you know, because they're feeling bad about, let's just say it, the genocide that's happening right now, and they're not feeling good about the current administration's support of Netanyahu. Okay. Like, let's just. That's probably what the situation is for a lot of people. I am like a. I am a Bernie Democrat. Like, I understand where people are coming from, but I really would like to urge people to not. Or to maybe stop with this false equivalency. And I want to talk about the things that are going to go terribly wrong if we elect Trump. My child's body autonomy will be gone. Also, my child attends public school, because for kids who have learning differences, it's actually a lot more supportive in many cases. And you have systems in place to help children who are neurodiverse. Trump wants to gut the Department of Education. He doesn't care about public schools. All of these kids will suffer. Not to mention the fact. And again, I think I'm preaching to the choir here, but not to mention the fact that when I had a miscarriage several years ago at almost five months pregnant, and the baby did not leave my body naturally, and I had to get a dnc. If I was in a state now that has one of Trump's abortion bans, I could have died waiting for that health care, because I had things inside of my body that should have left my body that did not And I required surgery and a DNC is actually in many states considered an abortion. And I may have had to go before a judge to get that dnc. And I had rotting cells in my body and I could have died of sepsis in that process. And I know that everybody knows this intellectually, but the stakes are really, really high. And your protest vote or opting out is not going to show anybody anything and it's not going to help anything.
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Listener
No. Well put, Jen. I have nothing to add to that. I don't have as personal a stake in all of this as you do for the reasons you just enum. But I am, I'm terrified. I'm terrified of what it looks like we're on the precipice of. I read about that Madison Square Garden rally with horror.
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Jen Romolini
I mean, not to mention. Yes, not to mention. Like these are, these are my issues as a privileged white lady, okay? Like, and it's living in a liberal blue state. Not to mention what they actually talked about in that Madison Square Garden rally. Like the racism, the misogyny, like the anti Semitism. The anti fucking Semitism. Like, like it's. We have to pull our shit together the best we can. Like I've been phone banking. There's a new thing that you can do. There's so many things you can do even in this last 24 hours. You can help people get to the polls. There are people whose, who's for whatever reason their ballot has been rejected. There are right now, if you go, I'll put it in the show notes. There are places where you can actually just be talking somebody through how to correct and have their ballot be accepted because they signed it wrong. There are a number of things you can still do that I'll put in the show notes today if you are feeling helpless because it is terrifying. Because it is terrifying. Because we have not blown this up. Because this is really what these assholes want to do. And the reason the fucking tech bros have come in and are supporting Donald Trump as much as they are is because they want no regulation on their fucking tech bullshit and their stupid AI robots.
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Listener
It's really fucking disturbing. And I hope we're excited this time next week. You know, I hope we're so fucking happy and relieved.
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Jen Romolini
But really.
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Listener
Get out and vote. Get out and vote. Even if you think it doesn't count, it's way too close for any vote not to count.
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Jen Romolini
Get out and vote. Help people in your life. Get out and vote. Do every last minute thing you can do. And we need to all vote. Because this is, I believe, worse than we could ever even imagine.
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Listener
It's not worse than I could imagine. I'm Jewish. I have a very, very, like, clear reference for this. And it scares the shit out of me.
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Jen Romolini
And it should. And it should.
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Listener
I know, and it should.
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Jen Romolini
Because even if he's not rounding up Jewish people in camps, he's gonna be rounding up brown people. Like, it's just what he's going to do.
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Listener
Yep, yep. He's not lying. He's not lying.
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Jen Romolini
He's not lying. And we also won't be able to protest because he'll fucking shoot us in the street.
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Listener
Yeah, it's.
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Jen Romolini
It's scary and it's serious. And I hope to God that all of our listeners have, in America and the US have taken it seriously. And we are not thinking that Jill Stein is any kind of fucking savior or any fucking thing that's going to do shit. Jill fucking Stein. So rant over. But, like, I'm going to put in the show notes what we can do in this last 24 hours to help. And I hope that you will bring yourself to the polls if you have not yet. And I hope that you will encourage everyone in your life tonight in this last night to get out and vote. We still have time. It's not over yet.
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Listener
Thank you, Jen.
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Jen Romolini
You're welcome. I've been thinking about a lot, and I don't talk about my kid a lot on this podcast. Everybody knows that. But it's that the stakes are high for trans kids. Like, really. They're really high. And they have weaponized these kids, and they're just trying to be who they are, and it's fucked up. It's fucked up how they've used them. And it's been extraordinarily painful to watch for me, and that's all. Okay, what else is happening?
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Listener
I've been watching. I watched the whole season of a show I kind of enjoyed.
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Jen Romolini
Okay, tell me.
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Listener
I mean, it's kind of a stupid show, but it was also totally enjoyable. It's called Rivals.
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Jen Romolini
Okay, I have no idea what that is. Tell me.
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Listener
It's on Hulu and it's on Disney. It's a British show. It's based on, like, a, you know, a really, like, horny British romance novel from the 80s. It's set in the 80s and it follows these two powerful men in their battles, you know, and it just, like, there's garden parties, there's hunting expeditions. It's all like anything with that much British shit going on, especially if it's also kind of body is just right up my alley.
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Jen Romolini
Amazing. I mean, why don't you, like, you love England? I feel like England is a place you could live.
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Listener
I do love. I love so many British things. And I do have this minor fixation with the royal family and all of that, but. And I love England. I love London. I love going there. But I don't have, like. It's not like I feel like London the way I feel about Los Angeles where I go there. And I'm like, I could live here.
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Jen Romolini
I still can't. I still can't believe it.
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Listener
Well, because. Because I'm never there for longer than five or seven days.
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Jen Romolini
Yes.
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Listener
You know, that's just enough time to, like, get your fill and still want a little bit more if you're me.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah. No, it's true. And like, look, it is a weather paradise. It is for sure. It's for sure a weather paradise. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying just to be better generally. That is my new thing. How could I be better generally? But I'm trying to see more people. The day of the cat dying last week, I had my lady group, my neighbor lady group. They were all meeting, and so I was like, I'm not in fit company. I shouldn't go see anyone. But you forget that people love to support you and help. And like, I, you know, like, I went and my friend Catherine was like, oh, honey, you're living in a country song right now. Like, the cats die and the husband's an asshole. The house is being sold.
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Listener
My boss is on my back.
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Jen Romolini
Exactly, exactly, exactly. The teenagers screaming, whatever it is. I've been trying to see more people, but I've also a new thing that I've realized. You know how, like, you're getting older and you're just like, oh, wow, why didn't I ever think of that before? This was one for me. I have a friend right now who's like, making decisions that I can't believe that I'm like, why are you making these decisions? I could never. You know how you do that with somebody else? You're like, how could they be in that position? How could they stay in that job for so long? I could never do that. Right? It's like the fucking judgiest thing. And then I realized, like, we all have that I could never, like, in ourselves. Like, there are definitely things in my life that there are friends in my life who would look at it and be like, why are you putting up with that? Why don't you just make this quick fix in your life that would make your life so much better, and for some reason, you just can't because it's just your shit, you know?
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Listener
Yep.
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Jen Romolini
But it's so easy to judge those things in other people, forgetting that you have the same fallibility. It's just a different flavor.
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Listener
Yeah, we all. It's back to like living with dog puke on your bed.
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Jen Romolini
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Which I had not. Which is. It was cat puke, and I had not. I had not. That was a pre. That was a pre conversation we have where I was discussing the things I'm not going to have to deal with anymore, which was the cat barfing in the bed, which was the fucking thing. It was a lot to deal with. With. It's like a sacred place, the bed. But no, I've just been thinking about it because even my friends who are people I've known throughout the years who do everything perfect, you know, who are those people who are like, well, what? Of course I turned in this thing on time. You know, of course I understood how to get Covid aid. Like, of course. Why didn't you follow the instructions? Those people have their own shit, which is that they're so busy trying to be perfect all the time that they often are hard to know and hard to love because their fucking time is spent just trying to be perfect all the time. Anyway, I've just been thinking about this. I don't have this articulated, but I've just been thinking about this thing of, like, I need to stop judging other people's decisions because I need the grace from other people. Yep. I don't want people judging my shitty decisions, and I make shitty decisions all the time.
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Listener
Yeah, yeah. No, that makes perfect sense. I think what you just articulated, I'm, like, going through this getting older thing where I'm like, you're getting older and you're still doing that?
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah.
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Listener
You know, like, this is still an issue.
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Jen Romolini
Really?
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Listener
You're 60. That's what I always say. And I make the s. Really long. You're 60, you fucking asshole.
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Jen Romolini
I know. I know. There is a. There is a lot of, like. There's a lot of, like, when am I going to be a real adult? There's still that.
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Listener
There is. There is. And it's nice because, you know, for a long time I thought I was never going to feel like a real adult because I didn't have children and that, you know, things like children made you a real adult. You almost choked on Your tea just then. So I see you agree with me that I learned that that wasn't a thing, that you don't become an adult automatically when you have children.
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Jen Romolini
No. And it's worse because you're supposed to be a model for another human being of how to be. And like, I think about this all the time. I'm like, what is this kid? I mean, I've said this to you before, and I've probably said it on the podcast, like, what is this kid's fun home going to be? Like, what is this kid? Like, what is the awful insanity that I can't even see? Like, it's.
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Listener
What is their mommy dearest?
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Jen Romolini
Exactly. I mean, hopefully it's not that, but, like, I yell. I'm a yeller. This morning this kid was like, could you not swear at me? And I was like, oh.
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Listener
Oh, man.
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Jen Romolini
I was like, you came upstairs. You came upstairs to go to school 30 minutes late. You are already late to school before we even left. This is fucking ridiculous. And they were like, could you not swear at me?
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Listener
Oh, no. And you.
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Jen Romolini
No, I was like, fuck off. You're half hour late.
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Listener
And then.
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Jen Romolini
They were like, I'm sorry, is this really such a big deal? And when the kid does, the kid does calm on me. There's like, yeah, I could, I could lose my shit 10 times more. I become like a cartoon character of rage. I mean, that can't be good.
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Listener
Well, your mother, I mean, your.
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Jen Romolini
Your.
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Listener
Your child also has a person who is their 100% champion. I mean, I could go on. You are a great mother.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah. With some real fucking rage issues. But I am taking them to the orthodontist today and piano lessons on Sunday, but they were like, can we get a piano? And I was like, can we just take a couple of lessons first? Just like, can we just see before I like, haul a keyboard in here, you know?
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Listener
Plus, where's the keyboard gonna go with all the exercise equipment?
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Jen Romolini
Oh, fuck off. Fuck off. No one in the house has touched the exercise equipment once. And I will tell you that I did try the standup desk walking pad. I looked like a jerk off of jerk offs. Like, I can't even imagine being on a zoom, like bouncing up and down here I am. But I did try it. I mean, I am trying.
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Listener
You walk pretty slowly when you do that, right? It's not a fast walk.
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Jen Romolini
Well, it doesn't. It's just a pad, right? I mean, I actually recommend these if you, if you need, like, if it was winter and you just needed like A treadmill in your house to get you some steps. Like, I actually think they're, you know, they're really. They're not big. They're really portable. They have wheels on them. So you just lift them up. You could wheel them anywhere and you can get, like, a lot of steps in. That would be better than probably like, trailing your apartment a million times, you know, like, you know, whatever. And I do have, like, the riser now on my desk that I can do a full standup desk and I could type and be treadmilling, but it's. It's very awkward and like, of course you can't do it during meetings. You. You just. You look. You look like a maniac. Yeah. Like an asshole. Yeah.
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Listener
You know, I don't think I'm coordinated enough to use something like that. I couldn't have my hands going one way and my feet going another.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, they're surprisingly sturdy, you know, and then I have the rower, the rowing machine, which I've used a couple of times, but I got the one that is. Whatever. It doesn't fucking matter. This is so boring. I got the one that has water in it. I got the. Like, I need to fill it up with more water. It's just like, everybody in this house is like, what is even happening? And why are you. Like, why have you done this to us? Yeah, it's Halloween. I decorated for Halloween. I decorated the Realtor's sign for Halloween with cobwebs.
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Listener
Good on you.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's it. I did see a house, which I can't take because we're still in this situation, but I saw a house in Echo park that was affordable with a fucking pool. And I was like, I was like, we should go get this house right now. And, like, nobody's ready to get a new house, but maybe if there's one, there'll be another one.
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Listener
Yep. And you only have to find one.
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Jen Romolini
Only have to find one. And for the first time in my life, impeccable credit. I have, like, an almost. I have an almost perfect credit score. I have been a fuck up for 51 years. Like a legitimate, like, like, you know, just like, failed out of college, failed out of credit scores, like, couldn't get anything. And now I have, like, an almost perfect credit score that feels there's a level of security in that.
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Listener
Congratulations. I too, have a decent credit score, but I'm still a fuck up. Like, I just. I know I'm looping back to the fuck up.
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Jen Romolini
It just let's unpack it more. Let's unpack it more.
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Listener
Well, I think some of it is because of last week. Because last week I fucked up. No, the week before last I fucked up my knee. Torn meniscus probably. I went to the doctor, he said anti inflammatories and physical therapy should do it. Then I went to my brother's house on Friday night for dinner and my sister in law makes really good cocktails and I, whatever, did not pace myself. Had too many. Got, you know, a kind of drunk that you shouldn't get anymore.
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Jen Romolini
Yes. Yeah, I had a couple. I had a couple during book tour.
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Listener
So. So we're driving home. We're in an Uber and we're driving home and I'm like. I'm like, honey, I don't feel so good. I don't feel so good. And so Paul asks the driver to pull over. So he pulls over and as soon as I get out of the car, I realize I'm not gonna throw up. I just. It was the motion of the car. So we move to move back into the car and the guy's like, no fucking way.
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Jen Romolini
Oh yeah, no, they don't want barf in the car. No way. No, I don't blame them.
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Listener
I don't blame them. So it was like we were near Barclays center, which is like close to my house but still a pretty long walk.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah. At that time. Drunk.
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Listener
Yeah, yeah, yeah, drunk. And like with my fucked up knee.
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Jen Romolini
Yes, right.
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Listener
With my fucked up knee. So I trip and I fall and I break the fall with my fucking face and my hand.
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Jen Romolini
Oh, I'm so sorry.
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Listener
And then I wake up the next day with a cold and I'm just like, this isn't cool. This just isn't cool.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah.
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Listener
To be that kind of like frenetic or like not like even focused in, in the right way.
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Jen Romolini
Well, not self preserving. Right. Like that's. It happens. Look, here's the thing about cocktails that you don't know what they are. Last year a friend had a 60th birthday party and he had like some kind of froze slushie. And it was a very hot day. And I've talked about this party on this podcast. I remember it was 50 people in their 50s and 60s and it was. There are parent friends from like elementary school. So we've known them for a long time, right? And just like everyone in their 60s and 50s are just like falling like people are falling down drunk, like just telling me things they would have never told. Like drunk, like we were in our 20s, right? Yeah. And that's what happens with an unknown. Like, all respect to your sister in law, but sometimes you don't know what's it like. And I started. This was one of the few times in my life I was able to practice temperance. Like, I was like, wait a second, why is everyone getting so fucked up? Like, I don't want to be this fucked up.
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Listener
It sounds like the beginning of a Black Mirror episode set in la.
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Jen Romolini
It really, it could have been like, I mean, when I tell you, like, people were like sloppy pawing, like, like moms pawing, like, like unknown dads, like chests. Like, I mean, it was just, it was, it was, it was getting ugly everywhere, right? And like that's what can happen. Because the other thing is about being old. Like, you know your routine and you know your drinks and you know how much you can drink of drinks, right? That you drink. Like, but if the drink is a mystery drink. I'm just saying it was a mystery drink. What was in it? Maybe some brown. Brown in a cocktail with the sugar. You're fucked.
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Listener
I know, I know. She does make a nice cocktail though.
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Jen Romolini
Especially if it's delicious. If it's a delicious drink that you just want to keep drinking, you're fucked.
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Listener
No, it's true. It's true. It is true. So I learned, I think I did learn a lesson. The combination of being like embarrassingly drunk and then falling on my literal face. Falling on my literal face. I have a bruise that goes. It's like a black eye of your nose is what I have.
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Jen Romolini
Did you have your glasses on? It looks like a glasses frame.
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Listener
Yeah, it does, it does. It looks like that. But no, I didn't have my glasses on. It's just like, grow the fuck up. Just grow the fuck up a little.
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Jen Romolini
Well, it's like, it's, it's like it always comes down to this when a situation like that happens. You think, well, maybe I just shouldn't drink anymore. And then you're like, but I still like drinking sometimes. And I also want to disassociate sometimes. And so can I, can I maybe drink sometimes? Is it worth this? One out of a 300 times I've had drinks in the past five years. Is it, you know, because it's always a risk if you're drinking. It's always a risk that things are gonna go fucking south. It's just, you know, it's always a risk. And also, then you also read all these New York Times stories that are like, do you know what's gonna kill you drinking any drinks?
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Listener
I know. And more and more articles like that all the time. And particularly for women and particularly, particularly for people like me who have survived cancer.
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Jen Romolini
Yes, I know. I know. We shouldn't be drinking. We shouldn't be drinking. How can we be so stupid?
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Listener
How can we be so stupid when we're basically smart?
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Jen Romolini
I know. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I'll tell you. My gummies. My gummies. I can't believe we're just opening up about this because of this fucking election and all of the animals, the grief and everything. I haven't been drinking because it does make me feel like shit right now. Like, sometimes you go through stages where it's just. You just. It's like your body's like, oh, God, no, I can't do that. So I've, like, tried drinking as a way to numb out. It's not working. But let me tell you something. The cocktail of gum, of weed gummies that I've been ingesting every night, I'm like, oh, a little bit of cbd, A little bit of thcv. Oh, more thc. Oh, don't feel perfect. Let me take another one. Like, this is. None of this is great. Let's just say I don't think the weed.
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Listener
I mean, the weed I think in, you know, if it's not in, you know, vast quantities, is not harmless. Because I think we're learning that people can be physically addicted to weed.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah.
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Listener
But it doesn't make you, like, have too much of it and cry or have too much of it and want to call or text someone.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah. You know, it's true.
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Listener
It's sort of like that judgment that gets suspended with drinking. Doesn't seem to get suspended quite as easily or as quickly.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah. And also the inflammation, because it's so. I mean, not. I mean, my whole thing is like. I think that the way the path to longevity is flexibility and as little inflammation as possible. So if you're eating a lot of inflammatory food, if you're having, like, drinking is inflammatory, smoking is inflammatory. So I'm just trying to, like, minimize the inflammation and also remain flexible. These are my only. Maybe this is the next book I should write. How to age well from a Total Fuck up.
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Listener
Yes. We'll call it Trying My Best.
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Jen Romolini
Really what we should call this B Game, which is what this podcast should be called.
- [33:49]
Listener
There's nothing wrong with your B game. I was a solid B student for many years.
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Jen Romolini
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Jen Romolini
And we're back. I'm sorry that happened to you. I hate that that happened to you.
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Listener
Yeah, it was just a drag, but also maybe a wake up call, you know, maybe also a bit of a wake up call because it's just, you know, things that you did really easily when you were a kid, like falling down, you fall down, you're a kid, you laugh, you get back up, or maybe you cry a little and then you get back up, you fall down when you're an adult and it's just.
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Jen Romolini
Like, oh, I know, I know, I know, I know. But also just like the self flagellation afterwards. And the thing is, after drinking a lot too, it is a. It's like it saps all your serotonin. I feel like it's just like that post alcohol depression is so real and it's so depressing. Anyway, yeah. As if tomorrow night, everybody who does drink, who's not sober, who listens to this podcast is not gonna be drinking.
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Listener
Like, I think I was reading something Christy Coulter said, speaking of people who are sober, because she was just. She's sober and she was saying that after the, after Trump was elected, she was like seriously tempted. And then she thought to herself, well, I'll wake up in the morning and he'll still be elected.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, no, that's true. That's true.
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Listener
You know, I do, like with COVID with, you know, this election, I do worry for the people who are, you know, have tenuous relationships to their sobriety.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, sobriety seems great. Sobriety seems amazing. I wish I had more discipline in my life in any way. And even the discipline to be sober.
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Listener
Well, you know, I didn't drink for 20 years. I didn't drink from the time I was 30 till the time I was 50.
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Jen Romolini
Wow.
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Listener
Yeah, I know. I don't know how I did it. It was actually after a while, it does get very easy.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, it just gets very easy.
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Listener
It's just not an option. It's just not your option.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah. Just. You just don't do it. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like any addiction. Like the years that I didn't smoke at all. And I don't think that I'm a smoker now, but I have let it creep back in. You know, it's here and there. It's, you know, maybe a couple, a month or when I'm in a. We've had this conversation before.
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Listener
Yeah.
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Jen Romolini
But the years I didn't smoke, I just didn't. I didn't think about. I rarely thought about smoking. You know, it's just like, oh, I just don't, you know. Yeah.
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Listener
I mean, my sister in law, Shereem actually used to leave beers at my house and it didn't bother me even to have liquor in the house. It was just so not an option.
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Jen Romolini
Well, listen, what else do we have to talk about today? Again? Once again, the uplifting podcast. My hot flashes have been fucking a nightmare lately and I don't know why.
- [39:57]
Listener
Why do you think? No idea.
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Jen Romolini
No idea. I mean, I'm on hormone therapy. It should be working. You know, it's probably that I'm getting further and further away from my period and from having my period, which is weird that you said a couple years ago you miss having your period because now sometimes I do too. You know, I'm like two years away from it and I'm like, oh, I miss having my period even though it was gross and I always stained things and I never had a tampon and etc. But I think that the further you get away from your period, I probably need like, I haven't been to the doctor in about eight months. I probably need to calibrate my hormone therapy. I probably honestly need more estrogen and progesterone because I'm probably have more of a loss than I had even eight months ago. But yeah, I get like a. I've been having this thing at night where like my hair just gets sweaty and hot. It's disgusting. And like, I just like, I. In the middle of the night, I'm just like trying to pull it into like an updo to get it away from my neck. It's gross. It's. It's really. Imagine if men went through this. Like, I still. Every time.
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Listener
Men wouldn't go through it. If men went through it, men wouldn't go through it. It would be cured.
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Jen Romolini
It would be. They would not endure hot flashes. They wouldn't just be like, whoa, whoa. All of a sudden my heart is beating fast and I'm sweating spontaneously.
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Listener
No, it would be a whole fucking thing. Well, here's something I have realized about men.
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Jen Romolini
Tell me.
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Listener
Often. Often not stoic. It's true. Often little drama queens when something goes wrong.
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Jen Romolini
They're such babies. They're such babies. They're such babies, but also don't really take care of themselves. I mean, we're talking about us drinking or whatever, but I go to the doctor. I get all my exams.
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Listener
Yeah, me too.
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Jen Romolini
Like, it's crazy how many friends I know have to beg their husband just to go to the dentist. Like, what do you want? Do you want, like, a trash mouth? Like, why? Because they're scared? Or. What I hear from men our age is like, well, you know, you go to the doctor, it leads to more doctor's appointments. Like, what the. Is this? Yes.
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Listener
Maybe it. Yeah.
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Jen Romolini
No, that's crazy.
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Listener
It's just crazy.
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Jen Romolini
Crazy. Irresponsible. No, I mean. I mean, for not all. Not all men. But I have found aging men to be particularly disappointing. I'm just like. I had a. I had a friend who called me about his wife a couple weeks ago. He's having a hard time in his marriage. And the way he was telling the story about her, it was so clear that she's just over his bullshit. And he was like, I just don't think she gets any pleasure out of life anymore. Like, I don't think. And I was like, maybe she's over you. Like, have you considered this?
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Listener
Did you say that?
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Jen Romolini
I did. I did. I said, have you considered that instead of framing this only as her flaws, you should maybe think about how you're showing up? Like.
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Listener
And did he hear that?
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Jen Romolini
Not really. It was like, I've tried everything. And I was like, what have you tried? He was like, well, I made dinner, like, twice this week.
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Listener
Amazing.
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Jen Romolini
I was like, get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. They just have no idea. They've been in a bubble their whole lives. They don't give hot flashes.
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Listener
They don't.
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Jen Romolini
The kids. The kids don't tell them they hate them in the same way. Like, they just. They don't. They don't understand what we go through. And then they're just like. They're surprised when they have a stomachache.
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Listener
It's just like, have you seen the reels? I'm embarrassed that I spend any time watching reels, but I do. And there's one where they ask men, young men, can women have a tampon in and pee at the same time?
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Jen Romolini
Oh, yeah, it's the. What is it? Bros vs. Roe or something. It's like a whole series that they go up and they ask men about women's anatomy. And yes, I, it's crazy.
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Listener
There are a lot of men out there who actually really think that a woman can't pee and have a tampon in at the same time.
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Jen Romolini
It's just, I mean, this is how we got here. This is how we got here. This is how we got here. I mean, I don't know. Have we neglected them too much? Do they need more? I worry about sons. I don't, you know, I worry about boys. I definitely think that like girl power or like, you know, of the, the 2010s was kind of a mess for, you know, for young men, for boys. And I feel like they feel like there's no place for them and they are, they are the enemy. And, you know, me too and everything. I feel like, I feel like it. The pendulum swung a little far. We weren't thinking about what it was going to do to boys. And now those boys are Gen Z jerk offs. Like, not all of them, but, you know, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But, but who? Like, I guess Ben Shapiro, like appeals to them. I really think he does. Like, I, I don't, I think this really is like a, it's an identity crisis for men. I mean, I know that this is not new. Billion people have said this, but who the fuck knows? Anyway, yes, they are babies. They're not stoic. Like, if there's a whole thing about the man cold, that's funny. Should we do some listener questions?
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Listener
Let's just.
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Jen Romolini
Okay. Why are shoes so shitty these days? It seems that to get comfortable work flats that are not dowdy, I need to spend $200. Plus I just want a basic black leather suede flat that I can walk in. Not even miles necessarily. Thank you.
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Listener
I mean, shoes are kind of shitty because you have to spend a decent amount of money on them to get a decent pair. Unless you're buying sneakers.
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Jen Romolini
I, I think you're right. And I think that you're paying for construction, you're paying for quality materials. And if you get a basic black leather suede flat, you should be able to wear it for years and years. So it's worth the investment. And this is coming from a person who is. I will be cheap in whatever way. I can be cheap in my life with, you know, clothes, whatever. But shoes at this age I think are worth an investment because number one, your style isn't going to change that much. You're not chasing trends. You're looking for a high quality shoe that you can walk in. You're going to wear that, you know, ostensibly until you stop walking.
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Listener
Yeah. No, I agree. Shoes are something worth investing in if, you know, I mean, on the one hand because, like, I can't think of a stylish woman I know who didn't say immediately, like, the best way to be stylish is with your shoes and your, like the things not to skimp on are your shoes and your backs.
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Jen Romolini
That's right. I mean, but it's a comfort thing.
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Listener
I mean, it's hard to fucking walk in shoes when you're this age. So if you find a pair that really works for you, then. Then spend a little more on that pair.
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Jen Romolini
That's what I think. That's what I think. And you know what? I never regret it. And like, honestly, like, I keep my clothes now for a lot longer and my shoes, like, I just keep things for a long time. Like, I'm still, you know, I have pair of. I have a pair of like, booties I bought like six years ago that I'm still wearing. You know, like, I think that it's. I think it's worth the $200 plus if you can afford it or save for it.
- [47:39]
Listener
Yep.
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Jen Romolini
That's my, that's my opinion there. And I'm sorry, it does suck. I've been wondering your thoughts on parasocial relationships. Since Sassy is my. This is a thing that. I don't know, er, parasocial relationship. And now I'm full circle with eif. Thank you. Your relationship to being the object and perhaps subject of these feelings would be interesting.
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Listener
It's weird.
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Jen Romolini
It's weird.
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Listener
I mean, it's super nice. It's not a point problem, you know, but it, you know, I love having that this podcast resonates for people and that they feel like they want to have a relationship with us. You know, it. That's really cool. But. And we share a lot. You know, we share a lot and God knows we shared a lot today.
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Jen Romolini
Yes.
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Listener
But, you know, it's still. I've had people who I've met who, you know, were either Sassy readers or whatever, and the assumed familiarity can be a bit weird. But I'm saying, like. But. But I mean, I do. It's a high. It's not a problem. If it was a problem, it would be an exceedingly high class problem. What do you think?
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Jen Romolini
I. I'm such an open book like, with everybody, I don't really. With anybody I meet. Like, if I met you in person, I'd be an open book. I don't really mind at all. I actually. I actually mostly like it. I feel very comforted by people seeing me and knowing me. I don't like it when people are mean because they feel like they know me. They feel like they can just reach out and, like, just sort of rudely correct my behavior, you know, I don't like that. That makes me really uncomfortable. I had it a couple of times recently on social media, but in terms of. For the most part, it's just nice. And if it ever gets weird, I usually am able to see that the person just needs something that they're maybe not getting in their life. So I try to respond with kindness, and I just. I feel like they just are. They're needing connection and warmth, and I try to give them both of those things. For the most part, I just don't give a shit is the truth. And also, I don't really know how to be any other way. So it's just, like, writ large, boundary problems and overly familiar and intimate, but it's just, like, at a larger platform. So I think it's fine. That's all. Please weigh in on the Barrel Jeans controversy. Does it matter if a piece of clothing is flattering?
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Listener
Yes. Yes, it matters 100% if a article of clothing is flattering. I fell for the Barrel Jeans, you know, lie. I'm gonna call it a lie because you have to be really pretty skinny to look good in Barrel jeans.
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Jen Romolini
I mean, this. Okay, sure. If you want to try Barrel Jeans, fucking wear Barrel Jeans. If you're. If you're like, that is a thing I need in my life. I really want to try this trend. And you're like, I don't give a shit. Like, this is just a trend I want wear. Just keep doing it. Like, it doesn't matter if it's not flattering if you're into it. What matters more than flattering or not flattering is how you feel in it. And if you look at yourself in a pair of Barrel jeans and you're like, I look fucking foxy, fantastic. Or this makes me feel relevant and young, wonderful. Doesn't fucking matter. It really doesn't matter. Like, that's. That's my bottom line. Barrel jeans, non barrel jeans, skinny jeans, jeggings, those pajama jeans. Who gives a shit?
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Listener
Well, they're just kind of everywhere, you know, they're unavoidable. Every brand makes them Now.
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Jen Romolini
I know, but. Yeah, I guess. But every brand. I mean, we all managed to avoid the crop top, which was everywhere.
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Listener
100%. 100%.
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Jen Romolini
You know, like that thing. I looked at that and I was like, oh, no, not. Not now. That's not true. I did buy one and I tried and it was. It was not right. It looked. It looked silly. So I guess it's really just a matter of, like, you know, try it. You can always send it back.
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Listener
Yep.
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Jen Romolini
My husband hates my sister, with whom I am close. During her most recent overnight visit with us, she misunderstood something he said and she called him a nasty name. He didn't respond. He was probably too shocked. She doesn't like him all that much either. How do I navigate this situation? I just saw my sister in NYC and wanted to call her out, but I didn't. Should I? How.
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Listener
Yikes. That's a really tough one.
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Jen Romolini
Oof.
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E
Okay.
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Jen Romolini
That's a really. This is what I would do. It's awful, and I'm so sorry you have to deal with this. This is what I would do. I would say to both of them, I wouldn't just call out your sister. I would call out my husband as well. And I would say, this person is important to me. You don't have to like them, but I expect you to be civil around them. It would be nice if you tried to like them, but I don't even have that expectation. But you need to be civil, because if not, you are showing me disrespect.
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Listener
Yep, that's good.
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Jen Romolini
I would say it to my sister, too. You can't call my husband names. I'm sorry. I know this is tense. You're both adults. I'm sorry. You can't work this out. He is my husband and I love him. And you are my sister and I love you, and you both cannot make me have to choose.
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Listener
Yeah. No, it's true, Right? Yep. No, I. I'm with you. You said you had the absolutely perfect answer for that.
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Jen Romolini
All right, here's the second one that comes on the heels of this one. Tagging onto this question. Family relationships in general. Oof. Holidays are near. Any advice on navigating, tactfully ignoring to get along with in laws in general?
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Listener
I know. I mean, this holiday season is going to be rough for a lot of people. Just. No, either way around, it's going to be rough. I think you got to go high. I mean, I just do. I think you've got to. You've got to take the high road. You know, everyone's going to remember the relative at Thanksgiving who sowed disagreement, but they're not necessarily going to remember the person who didn't do that, you know?
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Jen Romolini
Yeah. And like, look, I think you're absolutely right. I think that you need to start with a sort of end goal and work backwards from there. And if the end goal is, I would like to be able to be civil and know these people for the greater good of the whole. I mean, and this is like, this person isn't actively abusing you. And you know, like, let's take those off the table. Right. This isn't person isn't like so toxic that it's like harmful for you to be around. We're talking about like we disagree politically. We don't. We are not raising our kids in the same way. If somebody's giving you an olive branch, just fucking take it. Like that's the other thing. Like I have been, I've stood on ceremony and been like, fuck this, this isn't what I. This isn't an apology. What is this even? And it's like this person is, it took this person a lot of. This person is limited and it took them a lot of courage to do even this. Don't look this gift horse in the mouth. Just take it. Be the bigger person. I think it's. Be the bigger person as much as you can. And you can always.
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Listener
No. And sometimes it feels really satisfying to be small.
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Jen Romolini
Yes, yes, yes. Or to be self righteous or to be like, I know I'm right. And then.
- [55:22]
Listener
Yeah, no, we're not. This is not a moment where we're changing people's minds.
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Jen Romolini
No, no. And the way to change somebody's mind is not to shame them. It's never, it's never the route. It's never, it's never the path to change is shame. Never. It's never gonna work. It just gets people, it get, it gets people more defensive. And I again, talking about things you learn, like, I'm disappointed in myself that I've had those kind of knee jerk reactions. But you know, you have old family relationships with a sibling and you're like, you have a knee jerk. Like, what the fuck's wrong with you?
- [55:57]
Listener
Yep.
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Jen Romolini
But you can't do that as adults.
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Listener
You can't do that as adults and you especially can't because there are spouses and because there are children and you're no longer just reacting to your like 12 year old sibling. You're reacting to like their, the 40 year old sibling and their spouse and children and everybody else. And you risk no longer having those people in your life in a pleasant way.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah, yeah. No. And is the loss worth it? No, it's not worth it for that. For that moment where you're like fucking, you're like. You're like quoting some podcast you heard, you know, like, it's, it's not, it's not fudgeing worth it. It's not, it's not. None of it was worth it. So that's. Be the bigger person as much as you can and think of your end goal as much as you can. And take a pause before responding. Yes, these are good questions today. Okay. Oh, my partner of eight and a half years just blindsided me by ending it at first. He said it was because he didn't feel a connection to me anymore. And he even accused me of being an unsupportive partner, which is complete bullshit. I'm so sorry. To this person, of course. I found out a couple weeks later that he had been in love with his co worker since December. I'm struggling, obviously. This is not at all who I thought he was. Oh. Got any ideas on moving past gut wrenching heartbreak? I've moved out and gone. No contact. But I'm literally physically ill. I haven't been able to keep anything down for four days. I'm so sorry.
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Listener
Poor thing. Poor thing. How shitty, how shitty, how shitty.
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Jen Romolini
I'm so sorry.
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Listener
And I really think, you know, unfortunately, and also for unfortunately, the cure for that kind of, that kind of heartbreak is time.
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Jen Romolini
Yeah. But don't go it alone.
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Listener
Don't be.
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Jen Romolini
Don't go alone. This is the time to reach out to reinforcements. This is the time to have your people around you, even if it's an old friend you haven't talked to in a long time. This is your moment to make connection. And I think that that is being alone with, with something this big is, is a lot scarier than having somebody say, oh, you're living through a country song. You know, you, you need the people in your life. And I wouldn't be afraid to, like I said, contact people who you, you maybe haven't talked to in a long time. It's okay. This is like a moment of crisis and it's okay to. People want to help you.
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Listener
No, I mean, but that's really the truth. I think people are so scared to ask for help. And there are a few things people like as much as being asked for help.
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Jen Romolini
That's right. And you know, just be gentle with yourself. If you have mental health support in your life, go to it. If you don't maybe seek it out if you can afford it and just, you know, you'll, you'll. On the other side of this, who knows, who knows how you're going to feel on the other side of this. But you will make it through it. You will walk through this and you will make it through it.
- [59:08]
Listener
I will say that another thing is really to do what you can not to ruminate and not to obsess.
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Jen Romolini
That's right. Because don't look at his social media.
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Listener
Don't really. Don't look at his social media. Unfollow him. In fact, unfollow. It's hard. Yeah, no, it's hard, but it's. Protect yourself. Just protect yourself.
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Jen Romolini
Protect yourself, protect yourself. Keep yourself busy as much as you can so that you're not. Cause looking through his social media, which is gonna be the temptation here, or looking through other people's social media who know him, or asking your, your mutual friends what he's doing, et cetera, et cetera. This is, this is all gonna be. That is just the road to Doomtown. Like just get yourself away from that as much as you can and start focusing on other things. Take on a project. Do whatever you can to distract yourself from that kind of toxic behavior. Because that's the thing that's going to make this a lot worse.
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Listener
Yeah. And don't like talk it over over and over and over with your friends. I mean, if you need to talk it over a certain amount, but after a certain point you're just flagellating yourself by going over it.
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Jen Romolini
That's right. That's right. Okay, one more. What are we doing for election night?
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Listener
I will be home. I don't know. I mean, I'll be home. I'll be watching at home. I won't. I couldn't imagine having or throwing a party. It just feels too terrifying for anything like that. Going to a party. Yeah. What are you going to do?
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Jen Romolini
I'll be sitting in my house, probably eating takeout and watching Steve Kornacki in his khakis, just watching him wiggle around and circle things and tell me about Maricopa county. And I'm gonna be glued to my television for. Until this ends. That's what I'm gonna be. You know, we're hoping to do a post election episode, talk about, you know, whatever happens with some experts about how, what we do next in either way. Because whether she wins or not, this is gonna take some work after this to like heal this country in a lot of ways. And there's gonna be, there's just a lot, there's a lot of political work to do and anyway, that's, that's. I wish everybody as peaceful as possible. An election day.
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Listener
Yep.
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Jen Romolini
And you know, don't drink too much. That's all I got. That's it.
- [61:48]
Listener
Oh, I think those are wise words.
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Jen Romolini
That's it. Thanks for listening to Everything is Fine. We are your hosts. I'm Jen Romolini.
- [61:55]
Listener
And I'm Kim France.
- [61:56]
Jen Romolini
If you like the show, please rate and review it on the platforms, especially Apple podcasts. It really helps people find the show and makes a difference. If you want to support the production of the show, this is a. We are a self funded show. You can join our patreon@patreon.com everythingisfine. It's $3 a month. You can find Kim on her substack kim france.substack.com you can find me on my substack jenromalini substack.com you can find both of us on Facebook at a private and robust Facebook group. It is not our main Facebook page. It is a group. So go to Facebook groups. I've gotten a bunch of DMs. Like this page has not been updated since 2018. I don't know. Oh no, it's not that one. It's the other one. You can also find us on Instagram AF podcast. The show is mixed and edited every week by the wonderful, wonderful Natalie Rivera. Sorry about the tech problems again this week, Natalie. Lots of interruptions and we will be back next week no matter what happens.
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Listener
Yes.
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