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Everything's Perfect... Except Dating
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Dating after divorce and dating in your 40s can be a wild, emotional, and often hilarious ride—and that’s exactly what co-hosts Autumn Calabrese and Donald Stamper unpack in this laugh-out-loud, painfully relatable episode of Everything’s Perfect....
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A
Glass of wine. What's up, you guys? Welcome back to another episode of Everything's Perfect where we're diving into the messy, the real, the fun, all the things, the uncomfortable. We got. We've got a fun topic for you guys today, but we're going to start off with one of our five star reviews. It says, I've been binge listening to this and really enjoying it. I've never listened to podcasts before and I'm glad I picked this one. It has everything from Areola's not Donald's to thoughtful insights on generation gaps to fashion, to someone not Autumn vomiting and swallowing it while being filmed on set. Great stuff. It's from M's mom 32. Thank you. Thank you for listening. Thank you for that review. We always appreciate it.
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B
Yes, thank you so much.
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A
Somebody wasn't me that vomited on set. That's true.
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B
I don't know who they're talking about.
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A
I don't either, but at least it was in your mouth, y'. All. Everything's perfect. Except dating. We're talking about dating today. Hence the wine.
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B
Yes.
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A
I feel like dating and wine go together.
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B
Totally. Also, I might feel like everything in wine go together.
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A
It's hump day. It's been a long day. We're three days from Donald's birthday party. I'm exhausted and I don't need a reason for this, but it sounds good. Cheers. And we have a good bottle. Okay, that's delicious. Dating. People have talked about it, dying for us to talk about dating. So you're in a long term relationship? I've been dating somebody for a while now. And by a while, I mean, like, I don't know, I think it's been like six months. But I got dating stories.
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B
Me too, girl.
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A
For days.
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B
You know, some of them it's gonna be fun to bring them.
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A
I can't wait. Because your dating stories are actually so good. Yeah, y' all, buckle up. Donald's got the best dating stories ever. Okay, so first of all, we've gotten a lot of questions from people being like, can you guys talk about dating? Dating, you know, in, in your 40s or dating after divorce or dating with kids or like, how do you know when to bring that person home to family or your kids? So we're diving into it. But I, I thought we should definitely start with some of the fun, like, horror story.
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B
Okay, well, so what is.
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A
Okay, what is do you think would be your, like, most cringe worthy date story?
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B
Honestly, I got a big Rolodex of these kind of stories, but one of the wildest ones, I guess the one I'll start with. We actually have two stories, I want to say, but the first one I'll say is when I was new in LA and I was staying with you and I still had my place. Like, I was very much here half the time, in the Nashville half the time. But we were gearing up to start 80 Day Obsession, so I was more like moving to LA permanently. And so I was on the apps because that's what people do now. And there's this guy who I matched with, and it was a headless guy. So I'm gay. In gay dating apps, sometimes the profile picture is just like, from the neck down, like, like the torso.
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A
So wouldn't we refer to that as butter face?
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B
Well, you.
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A
Everything.
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B
Sometimes people are nervous about showing who they are on, especially on gay apps. Maybe they have a professional job. Even though it's like, you know, I. You just. I mean, now it's crazy to me, but at the time, I don't know what I told myself, but I was like, all right. And so it was this guy who lived in Topanga Canyon, and so it's like, up this mountain.
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A
This is my favorite story.
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B
And. And so he's like, let's meet at my place and go for a walk. It was an afternoon date because I was the kind of hoe that didn't openly admit to being a hoe, even to myself. So I was like, oh, a daytime date. So it's not like a hookup, right?
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A
Okay.
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B
Because to me, like, I'm not saying that I would never. I'm just always like, buy. Buy a girl a drink. You know what I mean? I'm not just going to show up. You remember when I was in your kitchen that one time, side note. And that guy in the app was like, what do you like to do? I was like, I like restaurants and movies. What do you like to do? He was like, eat ass. Suck the craziest. Like, I literally. I'm not exaggerating, you guys. I'm not trying to be vulgar. I literally read word for word. That's what it said. And she was like, oh, my God.
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A
I was like, oh, put it all out there. Oh, my God.
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B
Nothing. Leave nothing to the imagination.
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A
Swipe. Delete.
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B
So anyways, I went on this. Long story short, I went on this date with this guy. We met at his house, and he was like, let's go for a hike. So I was like, okay, but I'm new, so I didn't know what? It was like hiking through the canyons, and it was shortly after fire season, and a big part of that area had burned down. So we're like a mile in to a burned down, like, devastated looking land, and I'm like, I could be murdered here.
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A
First of all, let me just paint a picture. When Donald told me he was going to meet a guy for the first time and do a hike in Topanga Canyon, and that that's where the gentleman lived, I'm gonna come off, and it's gonna come off the wrong way. And people who live in Topanga Canyon, if they listen to this, are gonna be so mad at me. But it is very.
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B
I don't say it.
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A
I don't. Is hippie the right word? It's very, like, just that. Like, one with nature. There's nothing wrong with that, by the way. That is not, like, that's not a bad thing. To pay a canyon is fine. But there's.
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B
But a serial killer could be hiding up there.
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A
Okay, exactly. Yes. But a serial killer could be hiding up in there. And, like, there's no cell service.
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B
Right.
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A
And before D left the house, I was like, I don't love this for you. Like, I'm a little uncomfortable with the fact that you're going for the first time to pay, like, up into paying a canyon with no cell service. But proceed, please.
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B
Yeah, so. So we go on the hike, whatever. And it was nice. Honestly, I knew very early on that I wasn't in. Like, I wasn't like, okay, I want to go on more dates with this guy. He was a little bit older, and it seemed to me like he was looking for a sugar baby.
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A
Oh, okay.
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B
And it. I mean, he didn't say that, but I just. Just kind of the vibe I got. And I was like, I'm not there. Big mistake. I should have. Anyways, so we then went back to his. Like, we walked back to his house, and he was like, do you want to see what I'm most proud of?
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A
Oh, my God, run.
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B
And I was like, I'm a people pleaser. So obviously I said, yeah.
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A
I mean, God, Silence of the Lambs. Is it like human skin suit?
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B
Like, I really was the whole time looking around, like, if I need to yell for help, how close are the neighbors? Where do I run? And like, I always was thinking about that. And he brought me to this room in his house, and he called it his Christmas room. And, you guys, it was floor to ceiling, wall to wall on all four walls, like a Christmas wonderland. This is July by The way I.
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Was gonna say, it wasn't Christmas time.
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B
Yeah, it was July. And all of a sudden he turns on a switch and the room comes alive. Like these, this train starts going. These like big. These little fig.
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A
Figurines.
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B
Figurines. Thank you. Couldn't find a word to give you.
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A
Wine.
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B
Yeah. Wasted. We're like started moving. You hear Christmas music. I was like, this is where I could die.
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A
Yeah, you're like. And this is where I really scared his prisoner.
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B
So he. He left the room. And I was like, okay, Donald, like, like, just keep your wits about you because I really was a little weirded out. There's nothing wrong with this person. I get. I mean, I don't know the person, but there's nothing wrong with this so far. But it is weird. I've never had. I've met a lot of people in my life and none of them have showed me their most proud thing, their Christmas room. And then he came back and he was like, I got something else to show you. And I was like, oh, here we go. And he took me to a Halloween room.
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A
Right.
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B
Exactly the same. And I was like, this is more than just like a collection. This is like I, like I. I could just see him spending every night in there just with all the things on, like talking to his figurines. Yes.
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A
So are you happy tonight?
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B
Yeah. So, but good news. No violence. Everything was fine. It was like, oh, such a good time and peaced out. That's one of the weirdest that. That really might be one of the weirdest that stand out.
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A
Okay. One of my most cringe worthy ones. So I was already with Beachbody. Like I. My infomercials were already on TV and stuff. So I felt like very like, okay, people were starting to know who I was. So I have other like dating app stories. But I. The dating apps have never been my thing. And I was like, I don't want to do it because like I had been on, literally I had been on a dating app for five seconds at one point and my product development person called me and was like, is this you or somebody using your profile? And I was like, what the man? Like, okay. So I got off that real quick because I was like, I don't need everybody to know my business. Like, I'm out here thirsty in the streets trying to get a date, right?
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B
I am. But I don't need everybody knowing she has no.
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A
So. So I end up trying. Like, I forget who said to me, but somebody was like, you should try one of those dating like Services, like, where they're gonna pair you up with like, somebody of your caliber in terms of, like, work and things like that. This was before Raya was a thing, okay? So I was like, very reluctant, but I'm like, okay, I'll give it a try. So you have to fill out this huge application. Blah, blah, blah. They accept me. And the woman calls me and she's like, oh, my God, I've got the best guy for you. You know, he's well established. Blah, blah, blah. Like, I think. I don't know if he ran his, like, had his own company or if he was like a president of a company. I forget what it was. Has two kids. Fine. I was like, okay, great. So he gets to see my photo, but I don't get to see his. So described to me as, like, good looking, athletic, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, cool. Okay, let's go. And we meet for dinner at this, like, really high end restaurant in sort of this, like, in between Santa Monica and Malibu. And I pull up and as I'm parking my car, like, I'm getting out at the valet, and I see this guy walking down the hill. And I don't know why, but I just knew this was him. I'm gonna be so shallow right now, but we're going into like a high end restaurant. Like, this is his pick. Yeah, it's very well known. And he's in a Patagonia puffy vest. Oh, and jeans and these like, terrible brown. I don't know if it was a hiking shoe or I. It just. I was like, what? What? And this was. This man did not look anything like what was described to me in his profile. Okay. So that's my shallow side of it. So we sit down for dinner and, you know, okay. Orders a bottle of wine. And I actually had told you and Kaylee and I had. I told you guys. I was like, if I text you, get me the out of here. Like, okay. So we're sitting there and. And we start talking and he starts telling me. So I. It was told to me that he was divorced. Fine. I'm divorced too. We start talking and it turns out, no, he's. He wasn't divorced. Like, they were still going through that and it was super messy. Like, fine, to me, you're moved out. Fine. You know, you're getting divorced. But he's telling me it's not done and it's super messy. And I'm like, oh, okay. First date conversation.
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B
Exactly. That's what. That's the weird part that it's like, he's, that's not first date talk.
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Yeah, I don't, like this is not enticing me to walk into something that's going to be super messy.
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B
Yeah.
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Then he starts asking me questions about my job because obviously he knows fitness. And he's telling me how his like 22 year old son is trying to break into the field. So I feel like I'm being questioned.
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B
That's why he took the day to.
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Try to help get his son into the field. And I'm like, yeah, you know, and I am waiting for the server to come over and take our order and they are taking so long and I'm like, oh my God, just come take this fraking order.
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Like, let's get the show on the road.
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Let's get the show on the road. Finally, 35 minutes in, they like take our order. I'm like, oh my God, I'm dying. Then he goes on to tell me how he's got a 10 year old daughter, she's in a horseback riding and he's like, I spoil her rotten. She would eat you alive. And I'm like, oh, okay. Literally these are the exact words he's using, like, oh yeah, she's daddy's little girl. Like she would just eat you alive, blah blah, blah, blah. And I finally got up and I went to the the bathroom and I did text you and Kaylee and I'm like, how the do I get out of here? Like this is awful. And there was no way to get out. I had like, I wasn't going to be that rude and get up and leave, but it was just the most awkward, mismatched date was over. I couldn't jump in my car fast enough. And when the woman from the dating agency called me the next day to be like, how did it go? I was like, so he lied to you. His divorce isn't final yet. He's telling me how his 10 year old would eat me me alive. He's picking my brain to help his son get into fitness, like all this stuff. And she was like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. And I'm like, I'm good, take me off. I'm good, I'm done. I don't need to cancel. Cancel.
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B
Control, alt, delete.
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Yes. That was one of my, I think most like cringe torture dates because, you know, I don't like small talk. So a first date in general's not my jam.
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B
Right.
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But then for all that, I was.
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B
Like, yeah, it's like these, these are Topics for your divorce attorney, not for your first date. Well, I have one more story. This is a crazy story. So the stories we just told were both first date stories. This is Someone. I was 21 or 22.
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Okay.
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And at that age, I was really just, like, learning about being gay. Like, I like, even accepting it. And I wasn't fully accepting it, but it is something that's a fact. I accepted it or not. And so one of the, like, first few people that I had a crush on and was talking to, we both of us lived with our family at the time.
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Okay.
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At this specific time. So I don't remember exactly the age, but early 20s. Anyways. So we were doing something. We were like, let's just get a hotel and hang out, like, for the night. We don't have to worry about our families or whatever. And because we were young and dumb and broke, we went to the. When I tell you it was like a motel from a horror movie, you.
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Went to the seediest hotel there is.
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Literally. Like, I don't think that a truck, like a truck stop, a hotel would be better than this. And so we went and got a room. And even the person who was like, while we were checking in was looking at us like, are you guys sure? And it's like, you're the one working here. Like, isn't that what this is? This is a hotel. I cannot believe the places I've stayed in my younger years. So we go in this room. Autumn.
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Oh, no.
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B
And it's a motel. Like, the doors go out, sort of.
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A
Like Schitt's Creek, I was gonna say.
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B
Yeah, yeah. And there's the bed and then there's a mattress. No lie. Leaning up against the wall.
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A
What? Like not on the bed?
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Like, not on the bed. There's not another bed missing. It's just like a hotel room if you imagine this room with a mattress randomly leaning up. But we were like, like, okay. And it also smelled bad. And I was like, what is that?
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You might as well have just hung out in your car.
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He was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. So he went to the bathroom. And I was like, I gotta look under the bed. There could be a murderer under there. You guys, I haven't told this story.
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Was there a mattress on top of the bed and then a mattress?
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Yeah.
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Oh, okay. So there, I think a fully made bed and then a random ass mattress. Okay, I haven't heard this story.
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So I get on my hands and knees first, and not in the way I had intended to. Just Kidding. And you know there's like a bed skirt because this place is nice. So it goes from the thing to the floor. I lift it up.
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Oh no.
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And there is a dead cat's face in my face laying there. And I was like, oh my God. Freaked out. I was like, we gotta go, we gotta go. He was like, why? Why? In the bathroom. I ran out of the motel. And this is, oh my God, craziest thing. I was literally like my heart was racing because it's so jarring. Like you just like though a scary movie, you know, it's like the music. If it was a movie, the music.
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Would have been like intensified. Yeah, yeah.
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I was like, oh my God, this is so freaky. And what's so crazy is we just asked for a different room.
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What is wrong with you?
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Young. Three things. Young, dumb and broke. And so anyways, literally, wow, isn't that a crazy story?
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Like who left their cat? Did they forget that the cat was there? Was it a stray cat? Now I have so many questions.
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I'm like, this has to be a cover for some illegal business. Like there's no way that this is an actual operating hotel. There's a mattress leaning up against the wall and a dead cat under the maid bed. Oh my gosh, this is place.
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A
Oh, that's so terrible.
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So that's my cringiest.
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A
I think that's cringy in a different way.
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That's like, yeah, cringy. And I'm surprised I didn't get a flesh eating disease kind of way.
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Serious. So anyway, okay, so wait, let's. Okay, let's talk. Cuz what a bunch of the questions we were getting were just about like dating in general, like after divorce. And I know you haven't been divorced, but I'll touch really quick. So obviously after Kent and I got divorced, it took a little bit to get back into dating. But I mean I got stories like I said for days for a while there because I worked at the gym, because people ask like, where do you meet people?
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B
Seems like the best place to meet people.
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It actually was a great place to meet people because I worked at Equinox, so it was like a high end gym. So not that I was like running around trying to date members left and right, but I would meet people. It was a really easy, comfortable environment to. Because I was a trainer to just be like, oh hey, good to see you. Like, oh yeah, look, oh, look at you. You know, you're doing more today or whatever. Or like just however to be able to talk to somebody a little bit. Or they'd be talking to one of the guy trainers and the guy trainer would say something to me about, hey, they think you're cute or whatever, you know, like, it did make it a much easier way to connect. Connect.
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B
We know you at least have that in common.
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Yeah. And I could see what they actually really look like before I got caught off guard with the Patagonia poofy vest. I'm all here for a Patagonia poofy vest.
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B
Just time and place.
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Not at the fancy restaurant. But I do think stuff like. Like places like that, like being at a gym or something where you go regularly and you can kind of get to know people without the pressure of first date talk is a good way to do it. And in regards to Dom, Dom didn't really meet anybody I dated honestly, until recently. Like, he actually, he actually would be like, if you start dating, I'm going to live with dad. That's what he would tell me for years. Which was hilarious because he had no problem with his dad dating such a mama's boy. But he's such a mama's boy. He didn't want any. He. No, Absolutely not. So my dating was always very much obviously around Dom and like, if it's my night to have him, sorry, I'm not available. Like, that's just.
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B
Yeah.
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But I did get. I did have my fun on the nights. You're with daddy tonight. Oh, my.
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B
I introduce people to my family literally, like after. Hello. Because. But the thing is, I think it's different when you have a kid because you feel like you want to protect your child. And now especially young kids. Especially young kids. Now as an adult, especially now that I'm more comfortable with my sexuality and who I am as a person. Because that was a long journey and a long. A long road getting there. I like my family to. To know immediately so I can talk, so they can have a face to the name. If I want to call and about something, then they know what it is and you know what I mean? Like, I just like, I really like introducing. So even if someone. To me, I'm like, I'm. If I'm dating someone and I like them enough to spend that amount of time with them, but I'm not sure how it's gonna go. I'll still bring them around my family.
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If I like them that much. They're. I'm absolutely not bringing them around my family because why would I subject you to that?
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You poor thing?
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Like, oh, I really like you. I'm not trying to scare you away, exactly. Let me tell you, it's. I can't believe Kent didn't run when I brought him home to my family in Ohio. We had this huge clam bake. It was in October. And let me tell you, my family, you know, but, like, this was extended family, too. Okay. My Aunt Mary Grace, God bless her, rest her soul, she passed away recently. Kent is Hispanic. He's Mexican. My Aunt Mary Grace, you guys don't judge. But my family, she's like. She comes up to him and she's like, are you Jewish? Kent has a big. No.
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B
Oh, my God.
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She's like, is he Jewish or Italian? But he's standing right there. I was like, auntie, he's Mexican. He's a Mexican. I was like, oh, my God, he's gonna break up with me the second we leave here. And, I mean, Kent is a good sport. And he just took. And you know, and she wasn't. By the way, she wasn't being mean. She just didn't realize it's a little offensive to ask somebody.
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B
Yeah.
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That question and to be wrong. I'm both.
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B
With both guesses, like, can I get an option? None of the above. That's so funny.
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So, yeah. I don't introduce them really quick now. I will. Like I said with Dom, this. Because now Dom says, mom, I just want you to be happy. Which is very sweet.
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B
That's great.
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A
So go ahead.
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B
Well, I was gonna ask what. What is one of your biggest red flags?
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A
Okay.
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B
Or. And. Or most toxic green flags, like things that turn you away from someone or the thing that really draws you to someone, but really it's not the good thing.
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A
Okay. Biggest red flag is usually when. If they say they're going to do something and they don't do it. I don't.
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B
Is.
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It could be as simple as, like, saying you're gonna call me back if you don't. I'm like, you don't follow through on what you say you're gonna do. And that's a big red flag for me. Like, I've learned that over the years. I mean, I got a million of them because Lord knows I have had some traumatic dating stories in my past. But I just think, like, if someone says they're gonna be there at a certain time and they're 30 minutes late without any call or explanation or anything like that, like, that's a red flag. They're not. They're just disrespecting you and your time, and that's probably only going to get worse.
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B
My. My red flag is an angry drunk.
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Oh, well, that's my father, so, yeah, I don't mess with that.
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B
Well, it's, you know, like, it's just so. And it's different if someone is sober. Like, they have. They're an alcoholic, right. And they know that they. That's not good for them. But someone who socially drinks but just turns into a real. When they drink, I'm like, this is not the vibe.
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Yeah.
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Like, this is supposed. If you. When you. When you drink alcohol, if you don't have a problem with alcohol, it should be for celebrating. It should be to have the fun with your friends. It should be like a social, enjoyable thing. Not something that. And. And I did date someone who I felt many times, and I love and adore this person to this day. But when you. When you're with someone like that and then they drink and you have that fear in the pit of your stomach of what could happen or what they might say or how. That's not good. So that's my biggest red flag.
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That was my high school sweetheart, like, and unfortunately, he passed away from a drug overdose, like, right after we were out of college. I wasn't talking to him anymore at that point, but his mom called me and told me, but he was a. He was. Sometimes he would be a fun drunk, but you never knew because sometimes he could be mean. And. Yeah, we were living together, and he put a golf club through the wall.
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B
That's.
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To my head, scary.
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B
That's really scary. My.
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I moved out the next day, obviously.
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B
Yeah, well, good for you. Because some people wouldn't have. And I get it, because I Mr. Like, especially when I was younger, I always was like, they didn't mean to. They lost their temper, whatever. Giving people passes. My situation was never, like, violent, but it was like. Like I remember a specific memory. I had friends. It was when I lived in Nashville. Friends came to visit. We were all out, and he was my boyfriend and I. And again, if he's listening, great guy. Love you. But you're an. But when you drink, sometimes you got. You got to be careful. He. They were like, okay, bar's closing. And he just picked up. It was like, you know when it looks like there's. The lights are on, but nobody's home. He took his beer and just turned it upside down over the floor and dumped it out. And it's like, why would you.
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A
Why.
- [26:10]
B
Thank you. Like, what? Other than just being an ass?
- [26:14]
A
Yeah.
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B
You know, so those. There was those kinds of things. I luckily never Was, like, worried about violence. It's just really unstable.
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A
Yeah, I get it. Yeah. That obviously would be a red flag. I think the other one for me is, like, if girls we know and you get that gut in, like, that gut feeling that, like, when they're not, you could just tell they're being a little shady, right? Like, oh, the phone is constantly down or, like, hidden, or, like, they're responding, but if you come around or, like, God forbid, you walk behind that. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's those moments where you're just like, you know, they're. They're not being 100 honest with you. Like, just either have that conversation, like, out of the gate, like, okay, where. Where are we? Where do we stand? Are we together? Are we dating other people? Because you do have to clarify that.
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B
I agree.
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A
I dated somebody after Ken, and he was younger than me, but I cannot fault him because he was always. Even though I let myself get hurt repeatedly from him, he was always 100 honest that he. We were not exclusive and he was dating other people, like, blatantly. And he had no problem if I was going to date other people. And even though he was young now, there were still some things that he would do that were not super respectful. But, like, in general, this was a person who I actually could count on for a very long time. I bet now if I reached out to him, I absolutely could be like, hey, if I needed something, like, he's a good guy. But, yeah, he was always honest about it. So, like, if I kept putting myself in that position to get hurt because I wanted more, that's on me.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I did. I did that for a long time. So that was. That was a big one. Like, that's you. You gotta have those conversations. So you gotta ask, where do we stand? What is this? I'm not saying do it on date one, because no run. But, like, if you're at some point. Yeah. If you're a good couple months in, then you do need to have that conversation. Totally. A toxic. You said a toxic green flag.
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B
Yeah. So, like, you go for it, but it's not good for you.
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A
Oh, the same thing. Bad boy.
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B
Yeah.
- [28:30]
A
Like, that was it. Like, he super confident, and they take control of a situation. And I'm not saying that that's toxic necessarily. That could be a great thing. But that's, like, a big attraction for me is, like, because I am so in my masculine energy all the time with, like, I'm in control. Like, I'm getting done. I take care of everything that I want to be taken care of. Now, I'm not saying financially. That's not what I mean. I mean, I want, like, plan the date, Tell me you're picking me up. Tell me what to wear. Just take control of that. Like, take control of it. Yeah, but that can go sideways because sometimes then it can be a little, like, again, controlling bad boy or controlling. He wasn't a controlling person. The person I'm talking about, he wasn't a controlling person.
- [29:22]
B
But guys would be the kind of guys who'd be like, I want you to wear this kind of makeup tonight. You know what I mean? Like, sometimes the line crosses where it's like, okay, well, you're not the boss of me. Yeah, you're. I want a boss.
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A
I want to boss him to be my boss. You're not. Yeah, but don't totally.
- [29:36]
B
I mean, sometimes you could be daddy.
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A
See? But don't be down.
- [29:39]
B
Exactly. Right.
- [29:40]
A
There's a big difference. What about you?
- [29:42]
B
Toxic green, I think my toxic green. And this what I'm about, like, the toxic is definitely in my part. I, like.
- [29:52]
A
Say it.
- [29:52]
B
Well, I don't want to say it.
- [29:53]
A
Say it.
- [29:54]
B
Fixing people. But, like, if someone. If someone, like, appears to.
- [30:01]
A
By the way, this tracks.
- [30:03]
B
I know it does. I don't want to get too into that, but that is my toxic green. Like, if someone seems to have an area that they struggle, I. I have a bit of a savior complex.
- [30:14]
A
I was gonna say baby bird syndrome.
- [30:16]
B
Yeah. And I don't mean to, and I don't think I'm someone so special, but there's just something about, like, I. I think I am. I think it's in part because I'm an empath.
- [30:26]
A
Yeah.
- [30:27]
B
And it's just an unhealthy relationship with having those feelings and then confusing them with romantic attraction. Because I like the idea of being able to fulfill areas where people might not have it. And even, like, one way that that has shown up in my past is I have a great family life. And so I have found myself, at times drawn to people who don't.
- [30:49]
A
Oh, is that why we're friends? Oh, man.
- [30:53]
B
So sometimes it works out. No, but. And so the reason I say the toxicity is with me is because everyone. Everyone's family life in that relationship is so of their own thing to handle and deal with. And so it's not my. None of my business whether it's great or struggling. And it's definitely not my responsibility to be like, you can be a part of my family.
- [31:15]
A
Right.
- [31:15]
B
You know, and that's just an example. It really is like a, Like, I can not fix you because. But, but I can help here.
- [31:23]
A
Yeah.
- [31:23]
B
And you're. You have a need here and I can fill that need. And that sometimes I think that turns into attraction and that's not good. But I will say I never felt that with my boyfriend. Now, just for the record, I. There was nothing about him that I was like, oh, I need to fix this, or I can fill in this blank at all. So.
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A
Well, so far we know cycle.
- [31:43]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
I will say this for you though, like never, because I know exactly what you're talking about. You've. You. It's not a condescending way that you do it at all. It's not a, I'm better than you, so I'm going to take care of you or fix you at all. It's a. It's coming from such a place of you having a big heart and wanting to enrich somebody's life or make it better.
- [32:05]
B
Right.
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A
But there are times where I'm like.
- [32:08]
B
What are you doing?
- [32:08]
A
What are we doing?
- [32:09]
B
Yeah, this doesn't make sense.
- [32:11]
A
So that actually is going to lead me into a fun question. I'm going to tell you a story and then I think, God, I hope you pick the story I want you to pick. And if not, I'm going to tell you to tell it anyways. So talk about the ick factor.
- [32:25]
B
Okay?
- [32:25]
A
Because it happens. You're. You're going along, you're dating somebody, everything's going well, and then all of a sudden they do that one thing and you're just like, I can't unsee it or it can't unhappen. And now I'm just like, okay. So for me, I'm so glad Dom doesn't listen to this podcast. Okay. I was dating this guy that I had met at the gym. He was friends with some. Another couple that I was with and they were like, okay, you need it. Like, he's so good for you, blah, blah, blah. Like, really good looking guy, smart. I would say hard worker, but actually he did really well in his job without working very hard, so maybe good for him. I'm going to make a comment and you're going to understand why this is a problem in a second. Apparently, according to him, he had been overweight at some point in his life and had gotten in really good shape since then. But he would not work his legs ever, because he didn't want, quote, unquote, big legs. He had a really nice upper body, though. Was really built. Okay. Didn't want bulky legs. We're talking sticks, guys. Okay, so we're dating for a while, so, like, probably several. Several weeks, maybe a month in. And he spends the night. Okay. And at, like, five in the morning. So obviously he spends the night. Things happen. Fine. He. It's like five in the morning, and he gets up, goes to the bathroom, comes out, and he, like, kind of leans over me and kisses my forehead and tells me he's gonna go home. And I'm like, it's five in the morning. Like, why are you going home?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And he's like, I can't. I hate even saying this. And he's like, I have to go poo poo.
- [34:18]
B
Oh, no.
- [34:20]
A
I'm like, there's a bathroom right there. I was like. And I said it. I was like, seriously, there's a bathroom, right? Like, I'm asleep. I'm not listening. You go to the bathroom. Like, it's not, like, right on top of the bedroom. Like. So at this point, I'm now awake. And he goes to walk to the bathroom.
- [34:38]
B
Oh, no.
- [34:38]
A
And I happen to be laying on my side facing that way, mind you. He doesn't work his legs. When I tell you guys. It was like two pieces of baloney hanging down the back of his leg. Like, there were no glutes. None whatsoever. It was just skin. And I was just like, that was my ick moment. He said, poo, poo. And.
- [34:59]
B
And with his ripped upper body, took them little lucky legs and then little.
- [35:03]
A
Stick legs, carrying it with, like, skin hanging off where his glutes should be.
- [35:09]
B
My grandpa calls those lucky legs because you're lucky they don't break off and stab you in your ass. That's what he says.
- [35:15]
A
Seriously. I couldn't. And I know that's terrible. It was never gonna work. It was not a. He wasn't in a good place anyways. But that was my ick moment. You have. You have a story.
- [35:28]
B
What story are you thinking? There's one that I thought of that I just.
- [35:32]
A
The surprise. The surprise guy. Oh, Donald's terrible with breaking up with somebody.
- [35:40]
B
Can't do it.
- [35:41]
A
Can't bring himself to do it.
- [35:43]
B
Well, there was. So I don't know when the ick moment was, though. Do you have an ick moment in your mind?
- [35:52]
A
No, I just figured in general with this guy.
- [35:55]
B
Yeah. So this guy. I was actually thinking about this because I was also thinking about the topic of as. When you stay in a situation longer than you know you should, and that's really? What this. I call him Mr. Surprise because he always had a surprise. And it was actually. He is someone who I really think fondly of now and in. When I look at the situation, I really am disappointed in how I handled it because he was really nice and I just let it go on so long. But hear me out, okay? I would be like, all right. I think that this isn't, like, I don't think we're long term compatible. And I was new in la, so I was like, what good is it always, like becoming basically exclusive? Always going on these dates when I should be out making friends, meeting new people. We could be friends, just not the thing. And he. But he would always have a surprise.
- [36:54]
A
So our first Donald would always say, because he was living with me and Kaylee at the time, and he would be like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna break it off, guys. Like, he's such a nice guy, but, like, he. Donald would be like, every time I show up, he has a surprise for me. And so I can't end it because it would be so awkward.
- [37:12]
B
And we're talking. He'd be like, okay, let's go to this restaurant. And then I'd meet at the restaurant. He'd be like. He'd like slide an envelope over to the table and I'd open it and it'd be tickets to the Pantages and we'd be going to see a Broadway show. It'd always be this thing. Or like, we went to the. It's in one of. I forget what it's called, but it's what, the highest. The tallest building downtown Los Angeles and had like 360 views. And there's this plexiglass slide. You go out the building. He always had these things that I didn't know was going to happen. And I was brand new to la, so it was really exciting because I was seeing all this stuff. And even one time, I remember I was like, okay, it's gone on and on and on. I have got to end it. Because it's just. I also felt like he's spending a lot of money on all this stuff, you know? And then he was like, okay, let's just have a quiet night in order in. And I was like, okay. And this will be perfect. Like, we can talk. I can. Because I was like, I can be like, oh, I'm so tired. And I don't know. I was. I'm not good with confrontation. I'm not good with cutting things off. And anyways, so we're sitting there, we order in. He's like, you want to watch a movie? And then all of a sudden, the doorbell rings, and he looks at me and kind of smiles. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, who could be at the door? And these two massage therapists come in and they're gonna give us massage. Massages and music plays, and all of a sudden, candles are lit. He also always had gifts to the point where the. The. I. I just ended it by just canceling on one of his surprises. I was like, I can't hang out because we started filming 80 Day Obsession. And the next day, it was on a. Like, a day that the next day we were filming, and it was cardio. And that's back when I died, when I did cardio. So I was like, I can't be doing anything. He was like, I got us Lady Gaga tickets. Like, mother. And so I was like, I really wish I could go, but I can't. And then that's how I let it be. Since then, I will say I'm happy to see he's gotten married.
- [39:27]
A
Oh, good.
- [39:27]
B
So I'm like, good for him, because he had a lot of love to give, and he really put a lot into that relationship. And you guys. I rode that way. We probably went on eight dates, and they were all extravagant. Like, I got to do some things when I. When I came to la, so that was. I let that go on too long, but it really was. I was not trying to be a player.
- [39:48]
A
No, you were not trying to get more out of him. Like, you literally would come home every night, and we'd be like, did you do it? And you're like, oh, my gosh, I was gonna do it. And then massage therapist, and, like, what am I gonna say? Like, while we're getting rubbed, am I supposed to say, like, by the way, I don't want to see you anymore? So it was always like, yeah, because.
- [40:04]
B
It'S either I would say no in the face of a really kind gesture.
- [40:08]
A
Right.
- [40:09]
B
Or I would say no after a really kind gesture, which is awkward too.
- [40:14]
A
Like, thanks for the extravagant night out, but I'm done. Yeah. So it was.
- [40:19]
B
So I did what anyone would do and had sex. And then. I'm just kidding.
- [40:23]
A
You came home and waited for the next time. Kidding, not kidding.
- [40:26]
B
Yeah, maybe. Anyways, I let that go on too long. Have you ever stayed in? Well. Oh, you said definitely.
- [40:33]
A
Yeah, definitely. With. With the guy that I sort of dated on it, because that was almost two years we dated, quote, unquote. On and off.
- [40:40]
B
You're talking about baloney butt.
- [40:42]
A
No, no, no, no. That was. That was like, literally after four weeks. No, no, no. The younger one. Okay, the younger guy. Yeah. That was, like, two years on and off of. But we were honestly, like, we were really close. He was just young. He was much younger than me. He was eight years younger than me. I never date younger than me. I date older. I mean, Ken's 12 years older than me. I always date older.
- [41:05]
B
Yeah.
- [41:05]
A
And he was younger, and I had a kid and, like, all these things, and it just was not right. Timing and not aligned. But a really good person, like, his family, like, loved all of them, just. And that's probably why I stayed in it too long.
- [41:24]
B
Yeah.
- [41:26]
A
But my. Everything works out the way it's supposed to.
- [41:29]
B
It does. Here we are. My ick. An ick moment that comes to mind was I was making out with. I, like, you know, gone on some dates, whatever was cool. We were kissing, and I was like, you know, into it 100. And then all of a sudden, while we're kissing here, these noises. Like, he started making these noises with his mouth. Like.
- [41:57]
A
Like, oh.
- [41:59]
B
It literally was like. I was like, I'm not interested at all anymore. Like, that just ruined it. Like, can you control your vocal cords, please? Because they'll have to be involved with kissing. And it wasn't like. You know what I mean? It was literally like. I was like, you sound like a dog. A puppy chewing on a toy. So that was.
- [42:22]
A
You were his toy.
- [42:23]
B
Yeah, I guess. Not for long.
- [42:25]
A
Oh, my God. Okay, after that. Bye. Let's. Okay, I think. Did you meet most of these people on a dating app? Let's. Let's dive back into these dating apps, because this is a big question nowadays. Because when we were younger, back in the day, there was no such thing as dating apps. You had to go out in the real world. You had to get your face out of your phone, and you had to, like, be open to being approached.
- [42:50]
B
Yeah.
- [42:50]
A
At the bars, at the clubs, at the grocery store, wherever. Now you can get on 5 million dating apps. And it's like. It's like being at, like, the Baskin Robbins with. But with unlimited flavors of like. So let's dive into the dating apps. I think this is a big one, because I think this is what people struggle with so much is, like, there's so many dating apps. How do you meet somebody? Are people being honest on there?
- [43:20]
B
Especially people our age? Because we had it the other way.
- [43:22]
A
Right.
- [43:23]
B
Like, I rem. The first three big crush is one of them, I would say, loves that I had. And they all. I met them all organically, right. And. But now it's. It feels. It's not going to say it's impossible, but a lot of really amazing couples have now met on dating apps and. Because it's just what everyone does. But it's hard.
- [43:45]
A
You can't. You can't think, like, because if you're going to get on there and you're a good person, you can't think like, oh, you're the only person good person getting on. There's plenty of people now getting on the dating apps that are like, it took me four years to get on Raya, but they finally approved me and then I ended up meeting for all. All for nothing. I waited four years for that damn app. But I. It's so. I don't know why it feels more awkward, but, like, it's so weird to try to strike up a conversation with somebody via the dating app. Like, I feel like in person is still easier. It's still uncomfortable in person, right? Somebody approaches you at a club like, hey, enter line here, right? I don't know. I'm a girl, so usually the guy would approach me, you know, all I had to do was give him the eyes of like, yeah, little smile, whatever. Let them know, you know, stare for four seconds instead of three. That means come over. Great.
- [44:39]
B
Yeah.
- [44:40]
A
But like, if you're on a dating app, like, if you match with somebody, depending on the app, you know, it's like you matched. You have X amount of time to message the person and then you're just.
- [44:53]
B
Like, so what do I say?
- [44:55]
A
Do you have. I know you're not on now because obviously you're right now, but did you have like a line that worked or like a go to for like, first sentence? I am not clever at this stuff.
- [45:06]
B
I was really bad about not most of the time not being the first one to message. And I had every app, you guys. So there's like, obviously apps that are for gay relationships or gay people. And then there. I also, like, there's ones like Tinder or Bumble that you can be on and you can select if you're a man looking for a man, woman, whatever, Right? But most of the time I didn't message first, but I did sometimes. The problem is with the apps because honestly, I was also not a good guy on the apps. Like, I wasn't a bad guy, but. But I didn't follow through. And it's because I. I feel like there needs to be Some scientific study done or maybe there has about the release the. In your brain when you get a match.
- [45:57]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [45:57]
B
Online. And you want to keep having that. And if you want to keep having that, then you need to keep swiping.
- [46:03]
A
Right.
- [46:03]
B
If you keep swiping, then you're not actually interested in the person you just matched with. I had had hundreds of matches that if I look back and think about it, some people ask. Were really kind, really clever and asked me out on really nice dates. And I was like, yeah, maybe this time, maybe this, that, but. But I was on there and I wasn't taking it seriously to the point I had every single app and now I didn't meet on a dating app. You know what I mean? Like, sometimes. And so I think if I was single now, I. Or if anyone is single and on the apps, I would encourage you follow through at least to the first date.
- [46:42]
A
Yeah.
- [46:42]
B
And do it over and over and over again. And you never know, you might meet someone great. But. But, but the endless chatting turns into never meeting and I. And really you're just on there swiping. Yeah, that was for me anyways. Maybe it's more of a guy, but that's how. How I. Well, that was.
- [46:57]
A
No, I think that's what I meant, though, by like the Baskin Robbins of, like, dating. Because it's like, like you're always waiting for the next best one. Like, oh, I could go on this date, but what if there's somebody better? One swipe away.
- [47:09]
B
Exactly.
- [47:10]
A
And you're never giving effort. Zero effort.
- [47:12]
B
You just.
- [47:13]
A
Yeah. And it's attention that you're getting. Right. So it is giving you, like, that dopamine hit of like, oh, I got somebody's attention. That makes me feel good, that makes me feel wanted, that makes me feel desired. And then it's on to the next because that moment is fleeting. And it's easier to just get that quick connection of like, oh, that person likes me back.
- [47:32]
B
Cool.
- [47:33]
A
Than it is to try to go to the next step, which is what the. Do you say I am not good with the, like, initiating the conversation. I would say I actually feel like I'm a really good conversationalist once we click. When I know the person, I'll talk for hours. I can go in on all the different topics. Great. But that awkward beginning. Beginning small talk. What do you say? You know, everybody's expecting you to be so clever and funny. And I'm like, my clever and funny usually comes, like, in a random moment. You said something, I say something back Yeah. I am not the random, clever, funny person out the gate.
- [48:12]
B
Yeah.
- [48:12]
A
So I have to go. The. If I were to do, like, initiate the conversation, I have to go with, like, the really obvious. So here we are on a dating app. Awkward. Like, how's it going for you? Like, yeah, kind of thing. Like, I. Because my thought always, too, was, I'm not. I'm not invested enough to care if they were. If they don't like my opening line. Because it's just that it's an opening sentence to a conversation. Yeah. If somebody was gonna judge me by an opening line.
- [48:45]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [48:46]
A
And not bothered to get to know me, then fuck off.
- [48:49]
B
Because I. I.
- [48:51]
A
Sorry I'm not clever in the moment. Yeah.
- [48:56]
B
So my friend, one of my best friends, Tara. You know Tara?
- [48:59]
A
Yeah.
- [49:00]
B
She was at a bar the other night. So I've been telling my girlfriends who ask for dating advice, you women need to be a little bit more bold, I think, which I don't know what I'm talking about, just for the record, but I feel like in today's climate, women have to be a little more aggressive, and men are a little bit bit more shy or less bold.
- [49:23]
A
Step it up, boys.
- [49:24]
B
So anyways, Tara was at this event the other night because I'm always like, you can actually, when you FaceTime, you can give someone else access to control your phone. So sometimes I have her turn on her dating app, and I control it.
- [49:37]
A
Oh, my gosh.
- [49:37]
B
While we're on FaceTime, it's amazing because I get that excitement of swiping, but it's for her, I'm in a relationship anyways. I just. She did. I hope she doesn't care that I'm sharing this. She pointed at some guy from across the bar. You know, she had her hair look. And she turned her hand up, and she did. She did the.
- [49:56]
A
The come hither with her finger.
- [49:57]
B
And he came over and they were talking, whatever, and he's like, can I take you on a date? She's like, sure. She said, what's your number? And she said, no numbers. Let's pick a place and just agree to meet there.
- [50:07]
A
Wow.
- [50:07]
B
Can you believe that?
- [50:08]
A
Get it, girl.
- [50:09]
B
And she did. And that. She was late. He was an hour early. It was like. It's been this whole, like, romantic kind of scenario that's unfolding now. I don't. You know, they're. They're dating now. Oh, my gosh. Fun, wild story.
- [50:24]
A
That is so fun.
- [50:25]
B
Yeah.
- [50:25]
A
Okay. I will say, though, in. In again, in person, I'm much more outgoing, like, I absolutely would give the guy the little wink at the bar or this smile. You remember that one time me, you, and Kaylee went out in Santa Monica?
- [50:39]
B
Yeah. We were at the Bungalow, and you were making out with some dude on a couch. How could I forget? I was like, oh, Autumn, excuse me, I said, but we're in public, girl.
- [50:52]
A
Okay. I wasn't being.
- [50:53]
B
I know. It wasn't that bad.
- [50:54]
A
We were kissing.
- [50:55]
B
I'm totally kidding.
- [50:56]
A
But I walked past him, saw him on the dance floor, and I said, hi. You guys kept walking. You looked at me, I said, said, I gave you a little hand wave. I'll find you all later. Yeah, found mine.
- [51:09]
B
Sure did.
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A
So, yeah, I do think in public, like, I don't know, there's just something more. It's easier to have, like, a little. Because you could tell if they really like you or if they're interested right away. But I feel like the apps make it harder for. I think they've made dating harder in general because, like I said, people get that instant fix of, I'm liked, I'm desired without engaging in it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What do you think? Do you think that they actually make dating better? Like, because obviously you can meet people that maybe you wouldn't necessarily meet that are, like, one or two towns over from where you live, but you're more than willing to drive. Or do you think it's, like, in general, not as fun or as easy or as. As good as it was when we were younger?
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B
I. Well, I do think. I feel. I do. I do miss things about when we were younger and things just happened organically. I. This is my advice about. If you're using a dating app, don't have the first date conversation on the app. Be intentional about setting a time to meet. And if the you or the other person is not really following through with that, that keep it moving because otherwise it's just a waste of time. If you're on a dating app, have time or intention in your life to go on a date. And I think that's where a lot of people are, like, I don't. You know, I'm. And. And a lot of people get frustrated because they meet people who aren't really trying to make a plan to meet up. And if that happens, I say, it's like, you don't even have to say anything. I think it's so funny when people on dating apps are like, well, I can't believe you. It's like, okay, there's no reason to fight with somebody.
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A
You don't even know, just move on.
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B
Keep moving, keep swiping. But try to meet sooner rather than later, or that excitement might die down.
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A
Yeah. I would say for our besties watching, like, if we were sitting here together and you were, and they were asking us like, oh, my gosh, I'm on this dating app, and I messaged the guy and he hasn't responded in three days, I would just say, don't take it personal. Like, it's just not personal until you actually get a second to know somebody. Because there's plenty of people that. That you're not going to like that are probably going to reach out to you and message you and you're not going to respond or you're going to just politely decline, just like you would at a bar. Like, sometimes you're at a bar and a guy would approach you. I'm sort of speaking to the girls right now, but maybe a gay bar. So I guess. Anyway, guy approaches you and you're like, thanks, but no thanks. That's not a personal thing. Like, you might not be in the mood to meet somebody that night. You might be coming off of a hard relationship. You're just out with your girls. You just might not find them attractive, and that's fine, too. Like.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I just think, don't get your feelings hurt. One of my friends, she met her husband on a dating app, Steph. And I remember her saying to me, she's like, it's a numbers game. And she's like, I really just made it about, like, having fun with it. She's like. Because she was living in New York City at the time, and she was just like, you know, I would swipe, and if I would match, we would go on a date. She's like, a girl's gotta eat. And I was getting to go out and meet new people and try new restaurants and have good conversation, and if it didn't go anywhere, so be it. And eventually she ended up meeting her husband. And she knew, like, on the first date, like, they, like, really clicked and hit it off. But she had said she had gone on, like, so many first dates from the dating apps. So I think because it was more just, like, fun and not just like, I'm desperate trying to find a husband. We all know people can smell desperation.
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B
Oh, yeah, they sure can.
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A
So, like, if you're desperately searching for the one that's gonna come off that way, you're. Without knowing it, you're gonna present thirsty, thirsty, thirsty girl. We're not trying to be thirsty in these streets. Drink your Water stay hydrated.
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B
That's right.
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A
Actually, though, I would say that I would. And I'm being dead serious. Like pour into yourself so that you aren't like thirsty for somebody else's attention. Take care of yourself. Do your self care. Do things that make you feel good. Spoil yourself. And when you treat yourself well, you're then showing somebody else how to treat you.
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B
Exactly.
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A
So I do think, like, while we're joking about don't be thirsty at the same time, like I'm being dead serious about don't be in desperate need of somebody's attention and approval. And you know, there's like 8 billion people on this planet.
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B
Totally.
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A
You will absolutely find the love that you deserve. But you have to be ready and willing to receive that love.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that starts by loving yourself 100%.
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B
You know, I'm in a committed relationship. Nell and I live together and it's the longest relationship I've ever had. Romantic relationship I've ever had. And. But I. We talk about how my number one priority is to be happy. And at any point, if he wasn't happy or if I wasn't happy, I wouldn't want our relationship to continue at least the way that it is.
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A
Right.
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B
If that was the source of the unhappiness.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so I think that that is it.
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A
It.
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B
No one is going to bring you happiness, but someone might add to your happiness. So focus on, like you said, just focus on being happy and pour into yourself. Yeah, that's really. I love that, that it shows. If you treat yourself well, you're showing someone else how to treat you. It's really important.
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A
Yeah. I mean, we could go on this dating topic forever because we could talk about all the different things. But I think we've covered a lot for today.
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B
Yeah, I would love to talk about it more in the future. If you guys have anything that you'd like to run by us. Maybe you have some dating stories that you want to hear our take on or maybe you're seeing someone that you want to anonymous. Anonymously share your story. But we can talk about that. We'd love to give you some advice. We have our phone of friends here and we'd love to help you out with some dating advice too. I mean, if after listening today you think we're qualified.
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A
If you think we're at all qualified.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Well, Everything's Perfect Podcast at gmail dot com is where you can email us. You can find us on social at Everything's Perfect Official. And yeah, we look forward to continuing the dating conversation, because I think this is one that we could just. We got stories for days.
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B
I was gonna say there's also a lot of stories.
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A
Barely scratch the surface on our stories. So we'll be back for more episodes on dating, for sure. But thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Everything's Perfect.
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B
See you guys next time.
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A
Bye.