Everything’s Perfect...Except Being Fit for TV

Summary

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Podcast Summary: “Everything’s Perfect...Except Being Fit for TV”

Podcast: Everything's Perfect
Hosts: Autumn Calabrese (A) & Donald Stamper (B)
Episode Date: September 2, 2025

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Overview

This episode’s central theme is the messiness behind personal transformation—especially as seen through the lens of reality TV weight loss, nostalgia, body image, and public perception. Autumn and Donald open up about their own self-image, reflect on the recent Netflix documentary Fit for TV (about The Biggest Loser), and discuss how culture, media, and personal history intersect with self-acceptance, friendships, and nightly cookie binges. As always, their banter is candid, relatable, and tinged with humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Updates & Nostalgia

[00:00–04:34]

• Autumn and Donald catch up—Autumn is headed to Vegas for a Backstreet Boys nostalgia weekend, Donald is going home to Ohio to visit family.
• Both reflect on how adulthood changes their excitement for travel: “She’s like, I’m so excited to sleep in... But honestly, even sleeping in is not what it used to be.” – B ([03:39])
• Both mention how revisiting the past brings up both fondness and possible trauma triggers.

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2. Hair Disasters & Hormonal Changes

[05:15–11:07]

• Autumn shows an old photo of her long hair, regrets cutting it short, and discusses how hormones in perimenopause affected her hair color.
• Donald jokes about wanting to buzz his head but is self-conscious about his forehead, leading to a funny exchange about at-home haircuts:
  • “At some angles, like, my haircut is serving, and at other angles, it’s giving Friar Tuck.” – B ([07:24])
• Autumn admits to hair envy looking back at photos and talks about the patience required to grow it back.
• Discussion about girls and guys trimming bangs/hair at home and anxiety around messing it up.

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3. Fit for TV Documentary & The Biggest Loser—Reflections and Critique

[11:10–31:26]

Autumn’s Auditions and Relief

• Autumn recounts coming close to being cast as Jillian Michaels’ replacement on The Biggest Loser:
  • “I’m so glad that I never got cast… But watching that documentary, I was like, oh my gosh. … You never know where the path is leading.” – A ([11:32–12:41])

Show’s Intentions vs Reality

• Hosts discuss the good intentions behind the show but how it spiraled:
  • “The intention was good. But then it really spiraled out of control…” – A ([16:51])

Ethical Concerns & Lasting Harm

• They dissect the unhealthy extremes:
  • “He lost 239 pounds in six months... that’s like multiple persons off your body.” – A ([18:05])
• Focus on how such drastic, unsustainable changes never addressed underlying trauma or set contestants up for real-world success.
  • “They missed the mark by not having a real therapist on for them.” – A ([21:27])
• Donald points out the show’s context in early 2000s culture and changing societal conversations around body image and weight:
  • “It just kind of took out the humanity... They wouldn’t just throw around the word fat as carelessly and with such hate [today].” – B ([14:41])

Personal Development & Food as Emotion

• Both hosts stress the importance of addressing emotional health:
  • “That personal development and deeper emotional work is… your transformation.” – B ([23:37])
• Food and emotion deeply intertwined:
  • “Even the fact that I’m thinking of food, I’m going to see my loved ones… because you have good memories tied to it.” – B ([24:31])

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4. Body Image, Public Perception, and Transformation Pressure

[25:02–37:40]

Living in the Public Eye

• Autumn talks about the struggle of remaining an “authority” as her body changes with age, gut health, and hormones after being in peak competition shape:
  • “There’s a part of me that knows… if I had my competition body right now that certain people… would look at me as more of an authority.” – A ([28:23])
  • Donald relates, saying he only wants to work as hard as he truly wants — shredded abs are not his end-all goal.

Relatability vs. Perfection

• Autumn reflects that some people respect her more now because she is more relatable and not “competition shredded,” even as some fans expect perpetual peak fitness:

  • “It’s interesting because you feel that pressure… But there are also people… find you as more of an authority because they can relate to you more…” – B ([31:27])

• They dig into how social media puts everyone under public scrutiny, not just fitness personalities.

Dating & Fitness Commitment

• Autumn considers how extreme fitness routines make dating more challenging and shares humorous stories about first dates, food, and personal routines.

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5. Cookie Binges, Gummy Stories, and Friendship

[44:28–47:19]

• Autumn and Donald recount a recent night out, her experience trying edibles (“gummies”), and the inevitable midnight cookie run:
  • “Any amount of gummy and I’m for sure ordering cookies at midnight, just so you know.” – A ([45:10])
  • Detailed debate over which cookies were best, and the joy (and shame) of late-night indulgence.

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6. TV, Streaming, and Changing Representations

[48:02–51:43]

• Autumn notes a trend: “Every show I put on is like, girl on girl soft porn...” – A ([48:28])
• Donald highlights how LBGTQ+ and especially lesbian representation is growing, sometimes unexpectedly.
  • “It was very girl being erotic… But she wasn’t really a lesbian, they were swinging.” – B/A ([48:51–49:01])
• Banter about how even big-name actors now do “surprisingly racy” scenes and how it’s a shift from TV’s past.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 06:06 | B | “This song is one I’m familiar with: ‘I want to cut my hair, it’ll be so cute…’ but they don’t love it forever, you girl.” | | 13:52 | B | “It made me think a lot about just how different the conversation around weight loss was… it just kind of took out the humanity.” | | 16:51 | A | “The intention was good. But then it really spiraled out of control pretty bad.” | | 18:05 | A | “He lost 239 pounds in six months… That’s like multiple persons off your body.” | | 21:27 | A | “They miss the mark by not having a real therapist on for them.” | | 28:23 | A | “There’s a part of me that knows… if I had my competition body right now that certain people… would look at me as more of an authority.” | | 31:27 | B | “It’s interesting because you feel that pressure… But there are also people… find you as more of an authority because they can relate to you more…” | | 45:10 | A | “Any amount of gummy and I’m for sure ordering cookies at midnight, just so you know.” | | 48:28 | A | “Every show I put on is like, girl-on-girl soft porn. I don’t under– like.” |

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Important Timestamps for Main Segments

• [00:00–04:34] — Hosts catch up, share travel plans and nostalgia about sleep and youth.
• [05:15–11:07] — Banter on haircuts, hormonal changes, and cutting your own hair.
• [11:10–31:26] — Fit for TV documentary deep dive: reality show ethics, culture then vs now, trauma, and failure cycles.
• [31:26–37:40] — Body image in the public eye, public judgment, and how fitness goals evolve with life.
• [44:28–47:19] — Gummy-fueled cookie binges and the joy of indulgent friendship.
• [48:02–51:43] — Pop culture, TV's shift in LGBTQ+ representation, and playful grumbling about “soft porn” TV.

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Tone & Style

• Candid, casual, and humorous.
• Lighthearted even during serious critique.
• Blends pop culture, personal anecdotes, and genuine self-reflection.

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Final Thoughts

Autumn and Donald use their experiences and current pop culture touchstones to explore the complexity of self-acceptance, the ways public and private expectations collide, and how nostalgia, media, and wellness all mix in messy, very human ways. The Fit for TV documentary serves as a jumping-off point for important reflections on health, ethics, and emotional well-being, all while reminding listeners that “Everything’s Perfect… kind of.”

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Transcript

[A]

Oh, seriously, why is it so hot in California?

[B]

It can be so such different temperatures. Like, when I left my house, it was not as hot.

[A]

And I know you guys remember the other day, we were. What were we doing? We went out the other night and Nell's like, I'm so excited. We're going into fall. And I was like, bitch, fall. And it is supposed to be 108 this week.

[B]

That's crazy. Hi.

[A]

Hi.

[B]

How you doing?

[A]

I'm good. How are you?

[B]

I'm fabulous.

[A]

Fabulous.

[B]

I'm getting so freaking fabulous. I'm getting ready to go to my hometown tomorrow.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And I'm just so excited.

[A]

That's so exciting.

[B]

Yeah. I get to see friends and family. None of my immediate family is there anymore, but, like, aunts, uncles, my grandpa, all those people.

[A]

You guys have anything specific planned that you're gonna do or you just.

[B]

So I'm gonna take Nell to the hiking trail that my parents always took us on when we were kids. And it's in this, like, this Cummings False. No, that's Nashville.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

But it's in this, like, small town outside of Dayton called Yellow Springs. It's actually very well known because Dave Chappelle lives there and it's a really cool, like, little hippie town. And then they have these trails. And so we're gonna do that. We have some dinners lined up with some of my family. And we're gonna go on a pontoon. Oh, on a lake, which.

[A]

That's where you pontoon.

[B]

Well, you know, I get a little bit confused because, like, where I grew up, we had all these bodies of water.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm like, this definitely isn't a great lake.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know when you go from a creek to a lake, but here we are.

[A]

A stream to a river. Like, what are the terms?

[B]

But some kind of body of water that's probably man made will be on in a pontoon. It's gonna be really fun. I'm just excited to be in my hometown.

[A]

That is very exciting. You know what I'm doing this weekend?

[B]

What? I wait. I bet it's nowhere near as cool as Dayton, Ohio.

[A]

Back streets back. Yes. I'm headed to Vegas.

[B]

And they're at this fear.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, my God, I really want to go.

[A]

I know. I'm going with my girlfriend Natalie. So her birthday's in August, mine's in September. We had talked about going in September, but then their residency was supposed to be over. Although they added seven more shows.

[B]

See, I know you're gonna have to See that show twice.

[A]

Don't twist my arm.

[B]

At least see if it's worth it.

[A]

Yeah, well, Nell, go to that one.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

This little.

[B]

He'll go to any. Anyone.

[A]

Well, I was about to call him some Spanish customers right now. His little Buddha go see P. He's like, I'm not into it.

[B]

I was like, but he's not excited about it.

[A]

How it's pit. Well, it's fine. We're not going to do it.

[B]

But yeah, don't get me started.

[A]

No, I'm going to see Back Street. We're flying in on Friday. We're seeing them Friday night. We're flying home on Saturday afternoon. So excited. Natalie is like, it's funny. She's a mom now. She's. Natalie just turned 40. I'm. I'm turning 45. She's a mom. She's a nine month old. But Natalie is like my girl that back in the day.

[B]

Tear it up.

[A]

Used to tear it up. I was like, girl. She's like, I'm so excited to sleep in. I was like, oh, no.

[B]

But honestly, even sleeping in is not what it used to be like. I try to sleep in. I try. And my body says, your anxiety is gonna wake you up whether you like it or not. Yeah, you better do something or your whole going to crumble apart. And it's going to happen by 10am so you better be up at 8 to get some shit together.

[A]

I got up at 7:03 this morning and I was like, oh, no. Yeah, right.

[B]

I missed everything. Literally.

[A]

I do not understand how people like.

[B]

I'm so jealous of it. But it's, you know, it's kind of cool. We're both doing very nostalgic things because you're going to see the Backstreet Boys, which brings you back. And I'm going to see where I grew up, which also brings me back. Mine might be a little bit of a. Hopefully there will be no trauma triggers, but I'll let you know. I'll fill y' all in if there is. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Wait. So Dee got to my house a little while ago and we were actually doing a live for our group first. But before we were doing the live, I was a little behind. So I was like doing my makeup and we're talking, but I was like, stop talking. Save it for the show. Yeah. Because in case you haven't noticed, today is another episode of we'll see where this takes us.

[B]

Yeah. Honestly, we got really good feedback from a lot of you guys when we were just having A conversation. And that's pretty much what our episodes are anyways. They just start with a conversation before we press record in the conversation. So we were like, let's just do it. Yeah, like that. Like, really let you see what it's like to sit down and talk with us about who knows what.

[A]

But I was holding a couple things. But first. Yes. So at first I showed him this photo. I was like, donald, this popped up today. And it was like, me with my long hair right when I had got my 90s cut.

[B]

And I was like, fuck, yeah.

[A]

Should have listened to him. No, I needed to chop the debt off, literally, when.

[B]

When we. Because if you have noticed, when we took our, like, first photo shoot for the podcast, you had your hair in and bangs. And then when. Before the podcast released, I think.

[A]

But yeah, we filmed the first episode.

[B]

Well, we didn't even have this yet, right?

[A]

No, no, we did. We recorded one episode, and I had long hair, and we had the different stands, and then I chopped my hair.

[B]

And I was like.

[A]

He said, don't do it.

[B]

I said, don't do it, girl.

[A]

And I did it. And here we are.

[B]

I'm just kidding.

[A]

Huge.

[B]

It's so cute. No, but it is. You know, when you're not a. When you're a gay and you have all your girls, this story, this song is. Is one that I'm familiar with of. I want to cut my hair. It'll be so cute. I love it short, and it is so cute, but they don't love it forever, you, girl.

[A]

I know. I always said back after 2018, when I chopped it into the bob, I was like, I will never cut a bob again. If I want short hair, I will buy a wig. I will literally spend the money and buy a wig. But I chopped it. This, like, when I chopped it this time, it was because it had been processed so much because I could not seem to get to the color I wanted. P.S. found out hormones change the color of your hair. So my hairstylist kept being like, I am not using anything that is red. I'm using the coolest colors possible. I don't know how it keeps pulling red. And he's like, maybe there's something going on with your hormones. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm in perimenopause. And he's like, girl, that's why we're struggling. And I'm like, you're telling me I have to have red in my hair because I'm in perimenopause. And he's like, I'm just saying it's harder. Like, that's why it's how it's going to take. How it's going to take the color. But we had processed it so much that it was getting, like, stringy and dead and split ends, and so I chopped it off. But my question was, you were starting to talk about buzzing your head, and I was like, I could see. This is going somewhere funny. Do not tell me until we're sitting here. So what do you.

[B]

Darn it. So here's the thing.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

I, like, I have pretty good hair, but I've always had a big forehead. Like, a big forehead. Like, I've always said, like, if you're watching the video, you'll see I'm telling the truth. If I just take the measurement from the bottom lip to the top of my eyebrow, I could fit a whole nother fucking face on my forehead. Like, I have double. And so anyways, it's just really annoying because part of me wants to buzz my big brain hair off, but if I even tilt my head back a little bit, I'll just look, like, completely bald because that forehead keeps going. So. But I started cutting my own hair, which I like, because I feel like a bad bitch, and I feel like I'd be pretty good for not being able to see my hair very well. And. But I feel like at some angles, like, my haircut is serving, and at other angles, it's giving fryer tuck. Like, from, like, it's just this little. Like, it looks like it sat on top of my head and someone just went, like, a very high bowl cut.

[A]

I am glad you saved that for the podcast. It does not look like Friar Tech. You do not. You do not look like I have your bowl cut. I can't talk like. That's our own language. You do not look like you have a bowl cut.

[B]

Huh? That's good, because that ain't the look.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

Oh, my God. I'm gonna see if I can find. I used to have a bull cut. I'm gonna see if I can find that picture. We'll post it in the YouTube video. It was. It was not my proudest moment, but I. I wore it proudly at the time. This is a different time.

[A]

I like it. I like your hair.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And you actually do a really good job.

[B]

I'm having so much fun cutting my own hair. It's something I've wanted to do. And one day I was like, you know what, Donald? You can just get that whole bald look if you need to. And I'm having fun because when, like, especially when you keep it so short on the sides, you have to go to a barber so often to get it touched up. And now I feel like I can just touch it up real quick on my own. It's great.

[A]

It's so ballsy. Guys are so ballsy when they cut their own hair. I would barely touch my own bangs. They would be, like, in my eyes. And I'm like, okay.

[B]

That is interesting to me. When girls are like, I have to go get my bangs. I'm like, oh, I would definitely cut my own bangs if I.

[A]

Well, I did a few times. And although I didn't, like, really mess them up, like, I remember going into my hairdresser, like, the next time around and being like, God, I hope he doesn't notice that I really like.

[B]

So when he cuts your bangs, does he cut straight across and then, like, point cut into them or.

[A]

So it depended on the look. Because my one hairdresser that I had for, like, five years, and then I ended up going over to his assistant, and they're both phenomenal, but the one was a little bit more, like, artsy, where he would just sort of do it. And it wasn't always as blended on the sides. Like, it didn't blend, like, into around my face. Then when I started going to the other guy, who I go to now, he's, like, meticulous and blended it so beautifully. And that's when I was really afraid of messing it up, because I was like, okay, wait a minute. Was one thing. When it wasn't as blended, it didn't look bad. When it wasn't as blended, it just wasn't as blended in.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But once you have that line, it was like, if I chopped it or if I messed it up on my own, it was going to be like, yeah, this weird, like, box around my face. So I just.

[B]

Lego.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or something.

[A]

Anyways, here I am now with, like, a bush broom tail, and I'm just. I just needed to grow back down to my shoulders.

[B]

Yeah, it'll get there.

[A]

It'll get.

[B]

And it looks very cute.

[A]

It is fun. It's just I'm super impatient. And then once I decide I want something, I'm like, well, I want it right now.

[B]

And you see pictures of your old hair and you're like.

[A]

And I'm like, it's gonna take me three years to get back to that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who knows what I'll want by then? Not me.

[B]

Yeah, we'll see. So I wanted to talk to you about something.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

I want to talk to you about. Did you see the Fit for TV special?

[A]

Oh my gosh, yes.

[B]

What did you think? So if you haven't seen it, I don't really think it's like a spoiler situation, but it's a documentary on Netflix about the Biggest Loser, the TV show. What did you think of it?

[A]

Well, first of all, I thought I'm so glad that I never got cast because I auditioned to replace Jillian Michaels a few different times. Three actually. And the very first time I auditioned to replace her, it came down to me and one other person. And the casting director was pushing for me to be the next trainer and they ended up choosing Anna Kournikova.

[B]

She replaced Jillian?

[A]

Yeah. There was times where like Jillian left the show and then would come back to the show and left the show and come back, but at that. But Bob was still there, so. Yes. So Jillian had left. They needed a new female trainer. It came down to me and Anna Kournikova, Anna Cornucova got it. But watching that documentary, I was like, oh my gosh. I've always said this. If you've seen me on stage, I've said like, you know, you never know where the path is leading. It was so devastating to me every time I didn't get cast because it would be months and months of auditioning and thinking like, okay, I'm. This is gonna be my big break. But then obviously when Beachbody now body came along, I say it all the time like, this is my home. There's no place I would rather. This is, this is what my destiny was. This is where I was supposed to be. And the way I'm getting to do it, how many people I'm truly getting to help.

[B]

Well, I will say you definitely like the number of people who can say your program changed their life. I don't know that any of the trainers from that show could say. People might know who they are, but people like experienced your creation with all the programs.

[A]

Yeah. Like they have books or they had one off DVDs. But an actual full on program, somebody could finish, like start and finish. I don't know that anybody has those. I don't want to say for sure because I haven't looked. But. But anyways, yeah, I was, you know, it was 20 years ago that that show was out and you know what? You don't know. You don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But now and, and then watching people talking over the years, I remember there would be like some bad publicity around certain things and like how much are they actually letting them eat? Or, like, you know, the fact that they're working out eight hours a day, Then you're watching the documentary and you're. And it's a game, and you're trying to win. And so you see how they're starting to game the show. And, I mean, there was some scandalous stuff, like Jillian giving them caffeine pills.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I was like, it's wild. Wild. So. So, yes, watching it, it was really, like, eye opening.

[B]

It made me think a lot about just how different the conversation around weight loss was, at least in my world at that time, because Biggest Loser was something that was referenced a lot. And it created some kind of expectation that in hindsight, even though, like, you can't take. You can't sort of, like how you talk about, you have to get. You have to give credit for the good and the bad. So I'm not gonna. That show did a lot of good things, I'm sure, for a lot of people. And for those people, I'm so thankful. And even one of the people talking on the documentary was like, would I do the show again? That's really hard for me to answer. And that's because there's part of them, even though they were talking the negative side of it, how there's part of them that was really changed for the better, I guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it had me think about a few things. And one thing, like I said, was the conversation around weight loss at that time was so intense.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Like, and. And it just kind of took. Took out the humanity. Yeah. It was like, you know, now people wouldn't say, like, you know, like, they wouldn't just throw around the word fat as carelessly and with. With such hate.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That people did then, and it was accepted then. And it's really crazy to think about, like, because when you're in it, you don't realize and that when you Slowly, things change. But to look back at that time, it was pretty interesting to see, like, wow. People were really, like, talked about being overweight differently.

[A]

Yes, it was very different. You know, it's just a different time, for sure. And when you hear it now, it's a little like, oof. Like, as you're watching it, you're like, gosh. And then you look at some of the challenges that I remember watching it. So, you know, I was in my mid-20s and not thinking anything of these challenges where they would put people who obviously are morbidly obese in rooms and be like, can you resist Eating this enormous table full of food, or, oh, build a pyramid, only using your mouth, carrying the donuts and the bread and the things like that. And you're just like, that's just vicious. That's mean. Like, this is clearly. I do want to say this. I think when you hear the executive producer talk about where he got the.

[B]

Idea from, was it for the challenge or the show?

[A]

For the show.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That he was walking into a gym and there was a note on a bulletin board and it said. I want to say. It said something like, morbidly, it said, please help morbidly obese, need to lose weight, looking for somebody who can train me. And that is a person who is desperately like that, crying out for help, crying out for help. And he saw that and understood that, okay, people need help. So I think it started probably with the best of intentions.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And even as it got going, you know, there's the best of intentions of trying to help somebody that has struggled to lose weight, lose weight. And then there is the side of it's a show and you need views and you need ratings and you need sponsors. And what can we do to get those views and ratings and sponsors? Because we all know the majority of weight loss comes from what you're eating or not eating. Yes, you need to exercise, too. That's part of health. But they had to make most of it about the exercise because you're not going to just show people eating all day. So it was really interesting when you start, like, analyzing all of it and going, yes, the intention was good. But then it really spiraled out of control pretty bad. And then, you know, you're listening to the doctor talk, and they sort of excluded him quite a bit from certain decisions. And I was like, wild. Like, wild.

[B]

When you look at a show like that or a production like that, you think the checks and balances would, like, no way that the trainers would say something that the doctor wasn't aware of.

[A]

Or that the doctor blatantly said, do not do abc.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And they were like, we know better than you.

[B]

Yeah, it's pretty wild. And because it was such drastic weight loss, that guy lost over 200 pounds.

[A]

Okay, wait, I wrote. I took a note on it because I actually was planning on talking to you about it, too. I want to. It was. I mean, he lost. This is insane. This is insane. Like, there's. This is not. Not healthy at all. 239 pounds in six months, five, three weeks and five days. 230. That's like multiple persons off your body. In six months.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

Now, here's the thing, okay. If you go from eating really unhealthy food and being completely sedentary to all of a sudden eating very healthy food and exercising eight hours a day, you are going to be dropping weight fairly quickly. But you have to think about the repercussions. Like, nobody works out eight hours a day unless maybe you're an elite athlete. So you're setting these people up for something that they can't maintain.

[B]

It's more than a pound a day. If you think of like. Oh, yeah, like it. It's interesting because I was thinking about what really makes change. It sort of. To me, this is what one takeaway I got. We focus so much on the outcome of what we want. Like, we want to lose a certain number of pounds or we want to be able to be in a certain pant size or dress size or whatever your thing is. But in that, we think we'll do whatever it takes to get there, but that takes away your potential of staying there. So these people were not trained at all how to live a normal life and consist continually lose weight because of healthy lifestyle choices. And that guy.

[A]

Yeah. Gained it all back.

[B]

All of it.

[A]

Well, I always said this, even back during the show, the people that were the most successful were not the ones that made it to the end. They were the people that were there for about three weeks and had to go home, figure out how to do it at home with their normal routine because they were still competing for the money. Yeah, there was the people that got to stay at the ranch, but the people at home, they got to go home and keep going, and they still got to come to the finale. And if they lost the most, the most, they would still win money, too. So when they got sent home at like week three, it was like, okay, three weeks. What does that sound like? 21 days. Yeah, they kind of learned some new habits. They were still motivated by this cash prize, but they had. There was, you know, your home, you're with your kids, you're with your family. The temptations are there. They had to figure out how to do it. And those tended to be the people who actually kept it off. Off long term. Whereas the people that stayed at the ranch until the very end then went home for like a couple weeks, kept it off, or maybe it was a month or something like that, and then came back. Almost all of them look like. I think. I can't say almost all of them because I don't know for sure, but a very Large majority gained the weight back. And I do think they missed one vital thing. Look, you don't become. You don't get to a point of being morbidly obese. And I'm using the term morbidly obese, like, clinically. I'm not using it as like I'm judging somebody's character. There is some emotional trauma there. There's something there that this is not. A candy bar tastes good.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I mean, we. A candy bargas tastes good. But there is something there underlying that needs to be addressed. And I do think they miss the mark by not having a real therapist on for them. Like somebody that really could help them talk about whatever issues might be there. I mean, the one woman brought up the fact that like, you know, they would get screamed at in the gym and humiliated because they're being screamed at or they're barfing while they're working out. And she mentioned. She was like. And all that did was remind me of home when I got screamed at and humiliated, which would make me eat. So it's like, again, not saying that the trainer's intentions weren't good or, you know, but like, yeah, if you don't have all this other history, you know. Yes, the weight's coming off, they're in the house, the food is restricted as it is. Then they start restricting themselves more. But you're not addressing underlying.

[B]

Yeah, you're still going to go back into. Because you're not addressing what got you there. So it's going to get you there again.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, if you don't heal that, then how? Like the likelihood of being successful when you step back into your real life and not on this ranch.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The likelihood that you'll gain it back is significant. I think that's a really important thing in general when it comes to weight loss, you know, Like, I know it's why we've always talked about personal development at Body and Mindset Work. And, you know, we've always tried to include that in some way. Like a lot of times just recommending different books or different seminars to go to things like that. Like, I try to stay in my lane. I try to be motivational when I'm teaching, but I'm also not a therapist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So there's only, you know. Yeah. There's only so much that I can say without feeling like. And also when you're speaking to. You don't know who you're speaking to. You're just speaking to the masses.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, you're just trying to, you're trying to give people nuggets to think about that they can then go work through in whatever way they deem possible or they. They deem is right for them to work through it.

[B]

Yeah. I think it's really good to, like, take the time and just acknowledge how important that personal development and deeper emotional work is in your transformation, in your journey. Because really everything like food is one of the first rewards and pleasure, pleasurable experiences that we have.

[A]

Yeah. As kids, as you won the baseball game. Ice cream.

[B]

Exactly. And the juices you get. And the thing. I'm going back to Dayton and I'm not going to even gonna play you. I'm like thinking, especially since I'm not vegan anymore, of my favorite pizza places and my favorite things, girl. Which I'm not. I know that I'm not gonna go there and go crazy. But even the fact that I'm thinking of food, I'm going to see my loved ones and friends and places I grew up. And I'm thinking about the taste of food there.

[A]

But there's a reason it's tied to your emotion.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's tied to something that's really good for you. Like sometimes, yes, it's tied to a negative, but sometimes that pleasure is tied to a positive and we don't even relate it. Like, the ice cream reminds you of every summer when you went with your mom or you went with your dad or you won the baseball game, and it reminds you of a happier time. And you're like, I'm just gonna. You subconsciously are going to get that. So you're thinking about going back to Dayton and you're thinking about the favorite places.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you have good memories tied to it.

[B]

Yeah. Right.

[A]

And we don't even stop to acknowledge that. Oh, that's what that is.

[B]

Like. I could. Someone in my position could hypothetically, like, chase things that I ate at home so I could feel at home where I am here. Things like that. There's a lot sometimes, like your connection to food isn't even a negative thing. It's looking for that. But it's just. It brings up a lot of good questions. Another thing that special made me think about was, you know, when we filmed 80 Day Obsession, I didn't have a real. I. I didn't even know that I should think about how I would feel being in the public eye to a certain extent, around my transformation. And you start to. It really made me think, like, what those people must have felt like and what failures they must have felt like putting the weight back on because the whole world, like, saw them record, break, lose weight, and I struggle with that. Like, after filming, if I felt a little thicker after a vacation or something, I was like, oh, my God. If people. People expect me to be a certain way, people are proud of me. People connected with me because of the change. And you start getting all fucked up in your head because you're like, people. I can't be like that. I'm. I have. You have this expectation, honestly, to a lot of people I've never even met.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was something I had to really handle after we filmed.

[A]

I still have to handle that to this day. Because you have to remember my first three years with Beachbody, with Bodi, I was still a fitness competitor. I was a com. I competed before I ever got signed by Bodi. Like, I was in training already then. I competed literally four days before we went on set to film 21 Day Fix. So filming 21 Day Fix, I was at my peak.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of Peaks. Like, then I competed again before Fix Extreme. And then Hammer and Chisel, I competed again. They wanted. And. And those. Those last two were like, especially with Hammer and Chisel, they wanted me to compete again, kind of having used at least the chisel component of it, you know. And honestly, like, then I was. Again, it was three more years of all of that consistency. So I was in even better shape. Like. And then after Chisel is when I started to deal with some of my gut health issues. And it had nothing to do with Chisel, it just the timing. And I had the hardest time accepting my body in country heat because I was soft and I was trying so hard. Like, I can't tell you how hard I was working out. Like, not only was I doing all the country heat dancing, but, like, I was lifting like crazy. I was eating all, like, the way I had for competition. And I just could not get my muscle definition and I didn't understand why and nobody could tell me. And I felt like I was constantly being judged. And I've kind of felt that way for, like, the last four and a half, five years of as I've gone through gut health or hormonal changes or just haven't been as dialed in as you are when you're competing. Like, that is a next level.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Commitment, focus and commitment that people don't take me as seriously or they don't respect my knowledge as much because I'm not as shredded, I'm not as muscular as I was. Like, I. There's a part of me that knows in the back of my head. And people will be like, no, that's not true, Autumn. We like. And I'm like, no, no. I know if I had my competition body right now that certain people, I'm not saying everybody, but I know there would be certain people that would look at me as more of an authority. Then they look at me now because it's like, oh, my God. Well, there's all these women out there that are so super shredded. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm 45. And by the way, there's plenty of women that are 45 in the thick of hormonal shifts that are super shredded. It's just everybody is different. So it is a hard thing to experience in the public eye.

[B]

Well, it makes me think about what you must feel because you're, you know, for example, when I'm talking, when I am working with my one on one clients, if I'm talking with a new client, I ask them their goals, what they're looking for. And I usually. And it's a little different for everyone, but give some kind of talk of, we're going to look at your goals, we're going to look at what it takes to get there, and then we're going to decide again what your goal is. Because the truth is like, for me, if I'm really honest with myself, I don't want to live the life that always leaves me with shredded abs. I want to have shredded abs, but the cost, but what it would cost me and my body and the way my body responds, if I'm really, if it's just like on the scale, that's not really what I want because I want to be, I don't. I want to be fit. I want to be able to get up and get moving if I need to. I want to enjoy working out. I want that to be a regular, regular part of my life. I want to feel healthy, but I don't like when I think about competing, the only thing that's appealing is having the body. But you know, as someone who's done it, you don't just get the body. It's what the decisions you're making day in and day out. And, and so I think it's interesting for me to think about because it's like, okay, I need to decide again, what do I want?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because what I want doesn't end with how I want to look.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's how I want to show up.

[A]

How you want to show up.

[B]

And it's, it's not necessarily A right or wrong answer.

[A]

No, it's just your answer.

[B]

Exactly. And I do think there are some, like, you know, the videos of people who try to put on weight who are. Who literally are probably gonna die of. Oh. Like, there's, like, people online who. I don't know what it's called when you. When people watch really overweight people eating and eating and eating and stuff like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm not saying, like, that's great for you. Like, I, I. There are some things, I think that's just really unhealthy, and I would encourage those people. If anyone wanted to talk with me about that, I'd be happy to talk with you. But I think that there are lines where it's like, that's just not good for you.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But it's interesting because you feel that pressure, and I can only imagine the kind of pressure you feel. But there are also people, I think, that respect. Probably respect you and find you as more of an authority because they can relate to you more than someone who, like, you have a. I think you have a perfect body, but you're. You're not being, like, competition body. Some people that also. You might have their ear where you wouldn't otherwise.

[A]

Yes, true. Yes. Because sometimes when you see it, it's so. To some people, it's so unattainable, or it's just not how they want to look, that they're not. They're like, no, that's. You must be super aggressive. Because I have people think that I'm like, super. You must not ever have any fun. You must not ever. Donald, we had fun the other night.

[B]

We did.

[A]

I'll talk about that in a second. But you're gonna think I'm a little crazy. So I am the person, believe it or not, that I actually really like the rigor and structure of competition. Like, that excites me. I am that person. Whether or not I'll compete again, I don't know. But, you know, I'm waiting to get to this point because I. Because of these damn stem cells where I could start working out really hard again because I'm not allowed to yet, but when I'm allowed to, for me, I want to see if my body can go there again. I believe it can. I really do, like, I feel like I'm in a really great place right now, which I'm really, actually proud to say, because last month was just rough. Nightmare rough, to say the least. And I was like, yeah, I was like, I feel like. I feel like I'm In a really, like, I'm mentally and emotionally, things are balancing and my hormones feel balanced and things feel like they're moving in the right direction. Just work wise and all these things. And I'm like, yeah, I think I might be ready to just lock and load. Like, we're going into the fall, which is a time where everybody kind of like settles into, like, the routine and the back to school. So I don't know. Stay tuned. We'll see. I could wake up in a week and be like, that noise.

[B]

Remember when you thought that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Eating kettle corn in bed. I don't know why it's not, but sounds good to me right now.

[A]

But I don't know because what I was going to tell you was I'm dipping my toe back into the dating arena.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I got back on the app.

[B]

That's exciting.

[A]

We'll see. But so that, you know, like, sometimes you don't want to be going out on first dates and being like, I'm not drinking. I am only eating this. So we'll see. Because there's got to be a little balance in life, like, of. But Buddy's out there barking.

[B]

Buddy's making a guest appearance. You guys can hear him.

[A]

But yeah, it is interesting because, I mean, I competed before when I was dating, but like, when I was competing. Oh, my gosh. Buddy, Seriously. Obviously. But when I did it, you know, 13 years ago, the. The person that I was dating, like, he already. We already kind of knew each other because he worked out at the gym too. And so, like, we knew each other enough that by the time we started going out on dates, he wasn't. He was fine with the fact that I was in competition prep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it would. I think it would be a little bit hard to be like, hey, nice to meet you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By the way, I'm training for this really crazy thing and, like, I'm. So we'll see.

[B]

But you pull a scale out of your purse.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

I would weigh your way. Your chicken.

[A]

Like, no, I'm really good at eyeballing it these days.

[B]

You're the master at that.

[A]

But, you know, first date, I hate small talk as it is, so to not have a cocktail.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Might be a little. That happened to me. Remember last year when I went on that day and he was like, I don't drink.

[B]

And I was like, okay, we need something.

[A]

I was like, I don't really either.

[B]

But all of a sudden, I really want one. Sounds really good. Right about.

[A]

No, we're at a vegan Place. You're trying to share food. I can't have a cocktail?

[B]

Oh, yeah. I. I love sharing food with friends. I hated. Like, if it was a first date or something, we just order your own thing.

[A]

Yeah. If you're listening and we end up out on a first date, that is not the time to be reaching across.

[B]

Yeah, maybe you share a side of fries.

[A]

That's fine. A finger food is fine.

[B]

Can I taste some of your enchilada?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is awkward.

[A]

It wasn't even a taste. It was like, let's share these three things. And none of were things that you should be sharing. And I was like, this is so awkward.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I went home and I sure did go home and eat. I was hungry. No, you go ahead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Where's the chip basket?

[B]

That is funny.

[A]

But. But yes, in the public eye, having a transformation in general, it can be hard because there's a side of it, too, where, like, if you don't maintain it or if you don't get to it at the time, you, like, you think you're going to. There's judgment.

[B]

And also, like, what makes me think, even if you're not in the public eye, because I experienced that you are next level experiencing that. You're the leader of these programs. People, I think, though, like, you know, when you start losing. If you lose 20 pounds, people start saying something, and even that gives you that pressure. Like, people are noticing that I'm losing weight. I can't. I owe it to them. I think it's a normal thing for people to feel.

[A]

I think it's hard in general. We're on social media. Like, everybody's on social media. So almost everybody's in the public eye now. Unless you're private or whatever. But you also get that sort of positive reinforcement, right? Like, oh, people start to notice. And then you, like, really go harder, and people notice, and they notice, and then God forbid, something in life happens and it throws you off track, right? Then you feel like, now I'm gonna be judged or, you know, somebody was waiting to see me fail.

[B]

Or your hormones shift. That really is a. A big thing. You can change nothing, and your body totally changes on you. Yeah, tell me about it, you know?

[A]

Yeah, been there.

[B]

So anyways, it was cool. It was a cool documentary. Really got my wheels turning and just.

[A]

Thinking, okay, wait, can we gossip about it for a second, though? Now that we've talked about the, like, the import. How do I say this nicely?

[B]

Gonna be here a while.

[A]

No, I'm just kidding. I was a little bothered With Bob's interviews.

[B]

All right, listen, I just want to pause and say, I never watched the show. Watched the show, and the only trainer I. If someone said, who were the trainers on Biggest Loser before that documentary? I would have only been able to say Jillian.

[A]

Oh, really? Okay.

[B]

But I just watched. I watched the most recent season of Traitors, which is a really good show, and they're actually casting for it.

[A]

I sent you the casting.

[B]

Oh, my God. I need to try to get on this, because I love that show. And Bob was on the last season of Traders.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

And everyone's like, I love Bob. I love Bob. So I was so interested. I just wanted to offer some context of where I'm coming from. With Bob, I was like, okay, so what did you think was about his interviews?

[A]

Well, here's the thing. I. I watched Biggest Loser, like, religiously back in the day, and I actually really liked Bob because I felt like in. For the most part, he was the kinder trainer. Because I don't. I don't respond to getting screamed at. I'm like, get out of my face, like, because I'm gonna come back at you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he would, like. He. He did end up yelling a few times, but, like, it was nothing compared to how Jillian would yell at people. I guess maybe I felt like he was really defensive in the documentary. And I guess I can understand that, because you're there. You're there to do a job. You're there to be helpful. And I mean, that show was, like, the biggest thing ever at the time. And so then when certain things started going wrong with it, I'm sure he was, you know, taking a beating in the public eye.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that can really. Like, at a certain point, you just kind of get tired of taking the beating, especially if you weren't the one doing something or you were doing your best. It's like, okay, I'm human. Like, so. So I am giving him grace. But it just was a different side. I. I guess maybe I expected just a little bit more.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe humble or compassion or, like, in.

[B]

Hindsight, everyone can see things they would do differently.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, even. Not that you would do anything differently, but if someone does start. Does all of your programs starts with the first one and goes all the way through, they're gonna see an evolution because people change. So it's just. It is weird. I actually remembered having the thought, did he. Like, does he have no idea what this documentary is like?

[A]

Right. Did they not tell him? Because everybody's sitting there like. And this was Horrible. And this was horrible. And he was like.

[B]

He's like, double down.

[A]

Yeah, he did. He doubled down. He doubled down with his three diamonds up his ear. I was like, show up a little. Yeah, just a little humble.

[B]

Especially because that woman in him, like, had an issue, and she was the main. One of the contestants. I don't know her name.

[A]

Joelle Joel. Yes, I remember that season.

[B]

She. Well, I felt so bad for her. Talk about some mean girl shit. When everyone was like, if. You know, just. I was like, that really sucks. Of course, if someone's there, they're trying.

[A]

And by the way, if they're not, try, like, look again. It's reality tv, so you got to give them a show. And that's exactly. And. And you're very long hours of filming, I'm sure. And at a certain point, trust me, there have been times where I've been training people in the past. Like, I've never snapped on people, but there have been times where I just want to be like, oh, just do it. Shut up. Just squat.

[B]

I'm pretty sure you've said that to me before. I'm just kidding. And there's some video out there. If you do one of the workouts in here, say that to me. Send it my way.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Shut the up and squat.

[A]

But. But you, again, you are dealing with people who probably have so many emotional triggers that just screaming at them in a room full of people.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's crazy, though, because when I audition for that, I'll just lay it all out there. They would. Every time I would do my audition tapes, and this was back before, like, iPhones and stuff. Like, you really had to actually, like, it required effort to, like, film and upload it to a private YouTube thing for them to review it and all this stuff. And they were like, okay, well, we need to see you training somebody who's morbidly obese. And I'm like, okay, well, I actually. I was a trainer at Equinox at the time. I didn't have a client that was that significantly overweight. Not to mention I wasn't going to go. I actually probably had two that were like, could have. That could have. But those are not the people that I'm gonna say, hey, yeah, can I train you and film it for this? Like, that's implying something that's pretty.

[B]

You press record. You're like, just go with it.

[A]

Move.

[B]

Come on, you get your ass up, cow. Like, just the most.

[A]

Just, like, insane. So I would train, like, my friends. Like, I would be like, okay, I'm gonna train a friend. Like, I just can't. And they would always. The note that they would always give is, can you yell more? And I would just say. I was like, no, I really. And that maybe that's why I didn't get cast, but I would hold my ground. I was like, it's not how I train people. I'm sure if somebody is giving me a hard time, I'm gonna give it back. But that's just not how I approach training because I. I don't. I'm not in the military. I don't want to scream at somebody. I don't want somebody screaming at me to get a result out of me. It doesn't work. And they would always come back with that note, like, can you yell more? Yeah, no, I'm not Jillian. Like, if you want the freaking doppelganger to her, I'm not it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I'm. I'm me a trainer. I'm me trainer and I will show up as me.

[B]

But yeah, I want to see you and Jillian in a fight. That's what I want to see. That's. Oh, my God. Picture it like a spin off in a physical fight or like a choreographed WrestleMania 1. It could really. I'm like, she would win.

[A]

Well, she scares me.

[B]

Scares everybody.

[A]

Yeah, I'm good. And listen, I'm scrappy. I'm usually. I'm not the girl. I'm like, you give me a man attacking me and I'm gonna close eyes out. Love you.

[B]

Cute. Love your shoes. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. What else were we. We had other things that we were. Oh, we went out the other night.

[B]

Yep. So fun. Went to one of our favorite spots. It was just a casual night out for me. It really hit you a little harder.

[A]

A casual night out, y'. All. I thought I was gonna die, first of all. Oh, that was the first time I've had. I had five. I had a half a of a gummy.

[B]

Huh. So five.

[A]

Five milligrams, milligrams. And I haven't had one in a while, man. Fun fact about autumn. Any amount of gummy. And I'm for sure ordering cookies at midnight, just so you know.

[B]

Oh, my God, the cookies. I stop bringing them up because I forget about them and I. If. If I don't remember it, it didn't happen.

[A]

It happens every time. Okay. Every time. They should take my phone. You would think you would learn to take my phone.

[B]

Well, it was two against one because I was like, I don't need the cookies. And Mel Was like, where are you looking?

[A]

Yeah. You said, I don't need the cookies.

[B]

I sure did partake. Okay.

[A]

He also said, I don't need the cookies. And then I was like, okay, so should I not do it? That was the question. Should I not do it? And he said, well, I don't believe.

[B]

In telling people what to do.

[A]

He sure did sit there in silence. And because we were at your place, not mine, there were new cookie options available. There were new places available. And that place had stuffed cookies.

[B]

What was the place called? Because I think it'd be fun for us to say the name. This is.

[A]

I think it was like something like stuffed cookies or something.

[B]

Y', all, I'm telling you, the people who created invented these cookies were high for sure.

[A]

But they were good.

[B]

I accidentally just googled stuffed.

[A]

I. I was trying to find my receipt, but okay, you'll find it.

[B]

So the ones. Let me see if I can say.

[A]

If you go under postmate and put cookies. Oh, but wait, you're by my house.

[B]

So is it build a box?

[A]

No, let me tell you, these cookies.

[B]

Cookie.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

So the Cinetoast Crunch cookie butter cheesecake. That's one cookie.

[A]

Wait, where are you reading from?

[B]

The website.

[A]

But what website are you on if you.

[B]

I just googled stuffed cookies and it says stuffed.

[A]

Oh, that's it. Yes, that's it. Yes. They were crazy.

[B]

So they got this Senatos Crunch cookie butter cheesecake.

[A]

We didn't get that one though.

[B]

Yeah, the Cineto.

[A]

Yes, we did.

[B]

First one I had a bite of, we got the, the Nutella cornflake crunch.

[A]

Sure did. We got was the salted caramel. That was the best.

[B]

Salted caramel chocolate shortbread. That was good.

[A]

Here's what we did, you guys. I ordered like cereal and milk. Six of them. And they're big, but we just took bites. Ish.

[B]

Well, we sure did ignore the vegan gluten free options.

[A]

Well, I mean, that's just stupid. But it was like one o' clock in the morning, we're eating cookies and we're watching the hunting wives. I mean, we had a whole nother podcast.

[B]

I mean, we were on the hunting place watching women eat cookies. You know what I'm saying? If you haven't seen the hunting lives, don't watch it with children in the room. That's all I'm saying.

[A]

Oh my God. Don't watch it with anybody else.

[B]

It was a cookie eating kind of night.

[A]

How long into this podcast? What's our time?

[B]

We're at 57 minutes.

[A]

Okay, so we're not going to get into the Hunting Wives today. But I literally did say to Donald that night when we were, like, walking to dinner, I said, have you been watching TV lately? And he's like, well, yeah. What do you mean? And I was like, I don't understand. Every show I put on is like, girl on girl, soft porn. I'm like, I don't under. Like.

[B]

Well, I said, it's time for the lesbians to take the lead. Because, you know, let me tell you, these gay boys, we've been leading the charge of. Of the. For. For the representation. And I've always felt a little bit bad for the girlies because there's not as much. And I was watching it, and I would say to Nell, like, oh, my God, can you imagine being a lesbian watching this? You would feel it. I would love it.

[A]

The thing is, though, is that she wasn't really a lesbian. They were swinging.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I just mean, it was, like, very. It was very. It was very girl being erotic.

[A]

I mean. Yeah, it was. By the way, I was like. I told them they had to watch it because I was like, you guys, I watched this show, and I'm gonna need somebody else to watch it and talk to me about it.

[B]

We binged the whole show in, like, two days. Same. I was just like, yeah, we sure did.

[A]

But then there was another. Oh, then I watched the movie. I was watching it on the back on the way back from Paris. A simple favor, too. Or another simple favor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Blake Lively. And she plays herself, but she plays like a twin.

[B]

Yeah. Or a triplet.

[A]

A triplet, actually.

[B]

But one of them.

[A]

Yeah, but like, is like girl on girl on herself, essentially. And I was like, what is happening? That everything I put on, I mean, is like everywhere. I'm like, somebody is.

[B]

Somebody ran out of ideas.

[A]

They sure did. They do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, I'm afraid to put any show with Dom in the room now.

[B]

Literally. Literally. Because they're big actresses, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you used to. You felt safe around bigger names. Like, they probably have a. No nudity cl.

[A]

They're not gonna.

[B]

I'm telling you. And I've always been a free. The titty proponent because I feel like it's a double standard that men can show their nipples and women.

[A]

I'm not bothered by.

[B]

It is like a shift. It's like, okay.

[A]

But when you're not expecting it and you're just sitting at home by yourself trying to find a show to watch, watch, and all of a sudden you're like, huh? Wait. Oh, my God.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I was like, dap it on skin. Like, I thought it was a Netflix.

[B]

What am I watching? Yes, that's what's wild. Because of all the streaming.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because before, it's like, unless you had pay per view or something like that.

[A]

And you got to be careful because, like, I'm, like, over here, like, oh, my God, I'm gonna accidentally put this show on. I mean, what I. This is. It is soft porn. I'm telling you.

[B]

It is.

[A]

It is soft porn. It is not. Like, not want him watching that right now.

[B]

Nell and I multiple times stopped, and we were like, can you imagine being in a room full of camera and crew and directors and lighting and doing this?

[A]

No.

[B]

And not being a porn actor. Like, it's one thing if you know you're gonna have sex on camera, but this is very.

[A]

I mean, they obviously know they're gonna have sex on camera. It's in the script. But.

[B]

Yeah, but, you know, back in the day, it's like. Like, camera pans, you just rub on each other a little bit. This is.

[A]

No, no, this is. This was. This was a thing.

[B]

Yeah. And now they're gonna know. The public is gonna expect them to keep doing lesbian, just like they expected us to stay skinny. Give the people what they want, guys. Oh, my God.

[A]

So I don't know what the title of this episode will be.

[B]

I guess we'll find out.

[A]

Yeah. Fit for tv. Yeah, we talked about it, but, yeah, if you guys have any thoughts on it, about any of the, you know, the topics that we were covering in terms of what was shown in the documentary and stuff like that, we're always here for it. Everything's perfect. Podcast gmail.com. you can email us there.

[B]

That's right. And we do love seeing your ideas of things you'd like us to talk about and touch on and all the things. So make sure you hit us up, and we'll see you next time.

[A]

Make sure you also, like, subscribe and follow us on the gram, because that is the only place we have yet to do. We'll get back. We'll see you guys next week. Bye.

[B]

Bye.