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A
We got a lot of alcohol left over. We need another party.
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B
Yeah, we might drink a little after this.
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A
This is the one we should have pulled it out for. It is the episode you guys have all been asking for. The most requested one since we announced that we were doing this podcast. What happened to Bod? Hi.
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B
Hey, boo.
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A
Hi, boo. Welcome back. First episode of being 40.
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B
I know I don't look a day over.
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A
You don't.
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B
39. Thank you. I feel amazing. Like we just had my 40th birthday. It's not what we're here to talk about today, but it was the most amazing birthday I've ever had. You threw it for me. And it was just next level.
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A
We partied like Rockstar.
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B
We sure did.
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A
I sure did pay that price, let me tell you. The next day.
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B
I was screaming the whole time. I'm like, was I just literally screaming at the top of my lungs to everyone? Because the next day I was like, oh, I could barely speak.
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A
No, seriously, I had, like, no voice. I felt like somebody took two by fours to my legs. I was like, I haven't moved my hips like that in a hot second.
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B
I got in the hot tub last night. I was like, oh, I need a soak. Somebody bring me some Epsom salt fast, stat.
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A
We got a lot of alcohol left over. We need another party.
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B
Yeah, we might drink a little after this.
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A
This is one we should have pulled it out for.
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B
Seriously.
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A
It is the episode. You guys have all been asking for the most requested one since we announced that we were doing this podcast. What happened to Bodi? Yeah, we haven't talked about it. It's been like nine months since the shift happened, since the change happened. I've avoided it like the plague, but go ahead.
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B
Well, yeah, I. For me, it's like, I know that it was something that so many people had so many different emotions about. And for the first several months, there were a lot of moving parts to that. And so a mix of trying to be respectful, and I'm a chronic people pleaser, so I never want to say anything that's really going to upset anyone. And so that's part of the reason I didn't really say a lot. I did on my social media right away just to encourage and remind people that I'm still here. The faces you've connected with are still here because a lot of people immediately were just very unsure what was going to happen. So, yeah, let's get into what happened at least. And. And it's our perspective. In our experience, we're not. We don't have some written statement from Body or something like that.
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A
No. Or. Or anybody else. But I will say for me, there was just. When. When the change. When the shift happened and the announcement came. God, there were so many. There were so many emotions all at once and so many moving parts all at once that, like, you know me, I'm not a. I must stuff it down and get the job done. And it was like I was about to launch a belvital. Like, I had literally just come off set. So I think for me, there was no time to truly process shifts and changes and everything like, the implications that it was about to have. So I needed a minute.
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B
So you literally just got offset.
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A
When I say just got offset. The announcement came two hours after we wrapped. Wow. I walked into my kitchen. I didn't. I had no idea an announcement about any, like, had been made. And I was wondering where my background cast was, because they were coming over too. And I'm like, texting and calling, like, where are you guys? And it was hysteria of like, there's a video out. This announcement just happened. And I'm like, wait, what? What. What are you talking about? Like, huh?
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B
So. And I just gotta say, as someone who has been on in several programs, the day that you rap is like a celebration. It's like, we did that. You feel accomplished. You feel like you can conquer the world. You're ready to take this product. You just finish creating and present it to everyone. Help all these people. You're on cloud nine. So I can only imagine. I wasn't in Bell. I tried, but I didn't fit. I'm just kidding. For women's hormone health. Yeah. I was like, I'm sure I can find a way. But I can only imagine. So let me ask you, because I get that you didn't know that announcement was coming. At that moment, people see you really as like, the queen of Beachbody. Now, Body, did you know it was happening and you just didn't know when? Like. Like. Like, were you surprised just that it happened that day or did you actually not know that it was gonna happen?
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A
I had no clue it was happening. Like, zero. And this is something that people keep saying, like, autumn, new. Autumn new. There's a. It's just. It's insane. There's a million reasons, like, I had no idea that the Coach Network was going away. Here's what I will say. I know that it had been being talked about whether or not we were keeping the Coach Network or it was going to get moved to an affiliate model. We had this thing called the PAB, the Partner Advisory Board. So there's 10 partners that sit on this board. It rotates every two years. They're selected based on their involvement in the company. And it's the partner, those 10 partners, who kind of represent all the other partners, and then the, like, corporate. So CEO, you know, head of the partner network, things like that. There are no trainers on that board. We have never been invited to sit in those meetings at all. Those people, they know way more about what's going on in the company than any trainer does. And it had been being discussed in those meetings. Okay, I know that because I know people that were on the pab but, no, I had no clue. Like, let me just say this. I'm a pretty smart businesswoman. I would have made like. Okay, let me be blunt. I got fucked seven ways from Sunday on the launch of Belvital because the Coach Network went away.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I would have changed so many things if I would have known that announcement was gonna happen, that that was going to happen. Not only that, we're a public company. They would never in a million years take that risk of telling me. Because even if I hinted at something, it could have been disastrous.
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B
Yeah.
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A
For everybody.
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B
And you like myself, too, maybe. If you're listening, you might not know that I was a body partner before I ever met Autumn. So outside of just being a cast member, I was a part of the partner network and a part of the partner network that I think represents a little bit more of the masses. Even though I was friends with people who were very high up in it, I was never that. I. I never was that high up in my ranking as a partner. But you were friends with so many partners, so you would have been thinking of it now like, the worst person to tell, because you would have been thinking the. The desire to tell your friends, even if.
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A
But yeah, like, how would I get through filming?
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B
Yeah.
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A
With two people. I care very much about having that information in my brain. Here's what I can tell you. Here's what I did know. About a month earlier, I had gotten a call from legal, and we, like, trainers, we had ambassador contracts. So, like, that re. Like, they have to do with how we, like, sell, like, our supplements and things like that, and how often they'll request reels for us that they might boost into ads and things like that. So I got a call and that. That. That I was losing that come December. So I think that call came maybe end of July, beginning of August, that my ambassador contract was going to Go away in December. The ambassador contract is the only guaranteed money we have as trainers. As trainers. So a lot of us trainers rely on that because we have no clue what our paychecks are going to be month to month. None. Because it's based on something called qualified views. So how many people are working out to your programs? How many people are buying your programs? How many partners are selling your programs? There's no way for them to give us any kind of midway, mid month, anything. So you're. So aside from like, that ambassador contract, I can tell you my paychecks have fluctuated drastically in the last year and a half. And by fluctuated, I just mean declined.
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B
Unfortunately.
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A
Unfortunately. And by the way, this isn't me knocking body. Like, I absolutely love the company. They're like, there's nowhere else I'd rather be. This is just a part of business.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And the fitness industry has changed drastically in the last four years. But so, like, I'm literally trembling on the inside just trying to have this conversation. So I knew I was losing my ambassador contract, which was a chunk of money. I also had been told that layoffs were coming again, that another round of layoffs would happen after filming. And that was really devastating for me because I love the people I work with. And I didn't know who, like, they wouldn't tell me who. They just told me another round was gonna happen. And that is. That was so hard because it's like, that was the one thing that was hard on Rap Day because I was like, I know at some point there's gonna be an announcement. I didn't know it was gonna be on Rap Day, but I knew it was gonna be some time soon after that layoffs would happen. And so it was like, as I'm leaving, I know I might not see these people again.
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B
And you're talking about, like, not, not.
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A
Not, not the partners. No, I'm talking about, like, crew. Yeah, crew, product development, things like that. Like, I didn't know. I didn't know who. I just knew a round of corporate layoffs were going to happen again. And that was. So that alone was hard, right? To be like, working with everybody every day and just being like, God, this sucks and it's just a part of business right now. Like, it sucks. But no, I had zero clue that the Coach Network was going to go away. And I actually did end up sitting down with Carl like a week later and being like, why didn't you tell me? And he was like, I couldn't, I couldn't. Legally, I Could not tell you. And I'm like, okay. But, like, I had two people in the cast, and this is not me talking bad about anybody. This is me saying I would have looked to protect everybody from every angle possible. Like, why did we put background cast behind me? Like, did you guys know you were going to do it that day? Like, oh, my God, Come on. Like, at that point, why didn't you just tell me? We couldn't afford background cast. And it was like, anything we did that could have signaled that the network was going away. They're like, he. He said. He's like, we looked at it from every angle, and he's like, all I can do is apologize to you and tell you I'm sorry you got stuck in the middle. Sorry.
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B
It's okay.
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A
But, yeah, there was. There was no way to tell me what was coming that might not have ended up signaling to other people that it was coming.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So, no, I didn't know I was gonna say so. So to answer people's questions, I didn't know. Yeah, I was blindsided, too. And, yeah, it came two hours after wrapping what was supposed to be the biggest program of my career that I'm like, I'm. And by the way, I'm still so proud of BellaVital. Like, of course. But that was two years in the making. It was so much work. And then to get off of this set and, like, we were supposed to be going out to dinner that night, celebrate. Oh, my God. And then this announcement happens, and I'm watching two people I care about sit at my table and. And rightfully so. Panic. Yeah, panic about what does this mean for their future, for their financial stability. But you gotta remember, I also am a smart businesswoman. So while it's happening, like, I knew you had just signed a lease with Nell a few weeks earlier, and I'm like, oh, my God, I wish I could have known this and told Donald, like, don't sell that. Sign that lease.
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B
Mel's only income at the time was as a Body partner.
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A
Right. But within a few hours of the announcement happening, the hate that started online towards Body started pouring in, which I understand the panic. I do. I. But there's. There are a few things I want to. But let me get this thought out first. So, like, I'm trying to process so many feelings in that moment. I'm trying to process the fact that I'm proud. And we just wrapped and we're so close to launch, but at the same time, I'm watching my launch fall apart in an Instant I'm watching the hate spew, I'm watching people quickly say body. I'm out. And I'm like, I know what this means. I know what this means to the company. I know what this means to the launch of Belvital. Like, and I'm already starting to feel shifts in relationships, like, instantly. But also, I'm a fixer.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know this about me. Like, I am. It's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. Like, I. I can't sit in the problem. I'm trying to sit in the solution. How can we make this great? What can we do? It's gonna be like. So I do go into that mode instead of like sitting in the. Sitting in the sadness. Like, I go into fix it mode.
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B
Yeah. I think, I think there's pros and cons. Like, no one can handle a situation that totally takes them by surprise and has so many uncertainties. No one handles it perfect. And the fixer might try to over control is like, manage not let themselves feel their feels enough. But then, you know, some people, like, I really don't know how I am in those situations. I. I think I go a little numb and keep doing business as usual, I think. But it's hard for me to plan, it's hard for me to mourn. It's like everything feels like it freezes a little bit, but everyone handles things differently. But you are, you're the kind of person that's like, okay, pivot, let's make a plan.
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A
Well, and on top of it, right? So, like, again, all these things are happening, and a week later we're going on the cruise, like the corporate cruise. And I'm like, okay, like, we're all about to be trapped on a boat at sea. Are people going to come? Are people going to even want to hear anything? Because the announcement, just to be clear, was that the MLM part of the business was. Was being dissolved, going away, and we were moving to affiliate marketing instead of MLM marketing. So I just want to make sure that that's clear. Yeah. And I do want to. I want to clear up a few things that I've seen said multiple times that I'm like, that's not entirely accurate and well, or. Or that's just inaccurate. And I feel like some things were said to maybe make body look bad or. Because again, panic, hurt feelings, fear, all of that. But, like, I saw a lot of people saying, like, our money was taken away. Like, our money was taken away, our jobs were taken away. And please understand, you guys I very much can feel for, empathize, sympathize for everything that was happening right for everybody. That was how they built their business. The fact that that was changing and changing drastically and changing quickly. But I thought it positioned as if to imply that like MLM, like the MLM's gone and you're out of a job and there's no more and you're done. And they actually I. The partner network stayed in place for three more months so people could continue to run their business for the next three months as is they were continuing to get paid as a partner the way they had always been paid for three more months. Which you know that that was Carl's choice doing because it was October, it was coming up on the holiday season. But I don't think what people realize was if that was the reason why the network was going away. There were a lot of people that hadn't been working in the business in years that were taking because the way it was built, massive paychecks out but without bringing any new income in. So a massive change had to be made because again the way that incomes got paid out and everything.
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B
There was more money going out.
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A
There was more money going out than coming in because so many people had like built these big teams and then weren't working it. And so they're taking these huge chunks and there was a lot of people not making any money and these were things that people were complaining about anyways. And so this is. That's just the, the business side of it. Right. And it's. And I know because people pour their heart and soul into the company and, and loved it so much that obviously things. It was taken very personally like a personal attack. And obviously this is not something that Carl wanted or anybody in the corporate side wanted. This was a business decision that had to be made to save the company as a whole.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it sucks.
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B
Well, that is something that really bothered me and I just want to be. Be clear because of personal relationships and things. I. I saw someone post and I'm talking about someone who I've never met in person. So not one of my friends involved or anything like that. I want to say who but.
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A
I wonder if I know what. Go ahead. I don't know what you're saying gonna say.
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B
Well, someone posted online and, and just instigated as if it was a strategic plan that. And sort of a lot of people were inciting anger but. And it bothered me because I was like this isn't. I do. I felt like this is really unfortunate. I Had just the. That year gone on my first success club, which after being a. A partner for as long as I was, I should have done that sooner, but Nell and I were together. I started feeling the fire. So for me, when, when that. And I was shocked. And you know, you and I have been best of friends since I moved to LA for almost eight years now and very close. And we've had a lot of personal difficult conversations and when one of us are going through something. And so I was like, what? And I found out because one of a partner on my team messaged me and was like, oh my God, Bodi's doing away with the, with the partner network. And I was like, what are you talking about? And I might have actually gaslit the fuck out of her for a minute. And I'm like, no, that's not happening.
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A
Sorry.
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B
And so I called Nell. Well, I actually had to teach a dance lesson. It was the longest dance lesson I've ever taught. It was only 45 minutes. But I was like, this thing's never gonna end. I don't know what's going on in the world outside of here. And then I called Nell and he was like, yeah, I'm just learning about it all. And so it was some. It was very like I was as surprised as everybody else. And everyone has their different reasons of how it affected them. And so I saw someone, when I saw someone post, like, imagine someone telling you, we're in this together, we're in this together, we're in this together. Until they've built something and then they take everything you've built. And so what bothered me is that person was saying, was basically saying like, that body did that on purpose to get ahead. And. And I knew from the beginning, even though I hated that it happened. It was a ne. A necessary, unfortunate decision. That's how I looked at it. Like no one, I don't think anyone wanted it, but it's like doing what you can. And I also have been in rooms where I've seen, you know, dozens of people, sometimes even more who've lost over £100, stand up. And because I've been in programs, I've been in places where hundreds, if not thousands of strangers over a weekend come up to me and tell me their stories. I can't even contain all the stories I'm hearing, but it's because it was so life changing. So for me, I was like this, this really sucks because it looks different than what I wanted and it looks different than what I was planning and what I was Trying what? And not just my vision, but the vision I was selling to other people.
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A
Right.
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B
But it still changed those people's lives. And I'm so. I'm not going to talk about that, because it did. And, you know, I would do it all again.
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A
Right. Well, it. I wanted. Well, two things I want to say. One is I obviously, too, was devastated that the network was going away. Like, all of my friends were partners. Like, all of them. So of course, my heart broke for everybody. Like, and I was so sad. Like, I loved that side. I loved our big events. I loved Summit. I love getting to go hear people's stories and celebrate them all weekend long or all week long. Like, I was devastated that that side was going away, and not just for me, but for everybody that it affected. But the other thing I wanted to say was, you know, Tony Robbins teaches how to blame effectively. And I think it's so important to remember this. He says, if you're gonna blame, you have to blame effectively, you have to blame. Holy. So if you're gonna blame for the bad, you also have to blame for all the good. Like, I remember being at that seminar, and for me, that was like, I had to really take that in when it comes to, like, my childhood and parents and, like, if I'm gonna blame them for all the crap, I also have to blame them for all of the good that has come from that. For me, learning how what kind of parent I didn't want to be in, the kind of mom I am to Dom and the drive that I have for work. But I would say the same thing comes into play here. If you're going to blame and be mad at Bodi for it going away, that's. You're mad because there was something so great there. There was something that changed your life there. Whether it was a health journey, weight loss journey, a financial journey. I mean, there are people that made millions and millions and millions of dollars. I know it was a small subs, and those are usually the ones that are the loudest because that's a massive change for them. But if you're going to be that, if you're going to blame that much for it going away, then you also have to remember to blame for all the good, all the traveling the world, learning how to build these teams so that you can go to other companies and continue to build that way for meeting friends that you, like, would have never met if it weren't for the company, for your life or your family's life changing for the income that you did make. For however long that was like, so there's always both, you know, where there's good, there's going to be bad, and where there's bad, there's going to be good. And what goes up must come down. And what is down is eventually going to go back up. So it was very heartbreaking to see so much negativity from people who had had such amazing runs with the company and to not just go like. And the other thing that, you know, I saw a lot of people saying was like, they're stealing our customers. I do want to clear up what that meant.
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B
Okay.
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A
It wasn't that Bodi was coming in and just saying, like, hey, we're going to affiliate marketing and we're taking every person you've ever sold to. Like I said, partners. And you correct me if I'm wrong because you were a partner. So if I'm saying something that is out of turn, please correct me. Okay, so the announcement happened. There was going to still be three months of being able to be a partner. And in fact, if people hit certain ranks, they didn't even have to hold any longer. Like, a lot of times when you hit a certain rank, you have to hold for seven weeks to get the bonus, it was like you're. It was. Everybody that was already at that rank was getting locked in, so they were already guaranteed their bonuses. So that was like another thing that I thought, you know, was super honorable from the net for. From the corporate side, but nobody was mentioning, like, hey, by the way, I. Because I hit this level a week ago, I don't even have to hold it for seven weeks like I normally would. I'm guaranteed this big bonus. So because we're switching over to affiliate marketing, things happen on different platforms. Like we were moving over to something called Impact. There's just certain things that can happen in that app or on that site and certain things that couldn't. So it. Like if a customer were to buy from you, sign up from you, they are, like now tied to you forever as a partner. When we were going to Impact, you basically needed to get all of those people to now use your new Impact link and your new discount code for you to then get paid. It wasn't like they could all be moved over.
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B
Right.
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A
If you didn't reach out to them or if they decided not to buy from you and decided to buy from somebody else, then no, under the new affiliate, you wouldn't get that sale. But it wasn't that. Or if somebody was on an auto renew, if you didn't get them to cancel and rebuy with the new link essentially from impact, then. No, that auto would. That auto renew would roll over to.
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B
Just going to body after the three months or whatever.
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A
Or whatever. It was correct.
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B
It was at least three months. I just don't remember if that even.
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A
Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't remember all the specificity, but people did, like, correct me if I'm wrong, but within your partner back office, you had every email of every person you ever sold to. So you could download those emails, you could newsletter them, email them, hey, we're switching over to affiliate marketing. I would really appreciate it. You know, I've. I've loved working with you. I want to continue to work with you. Here's my new link. I know it's a little bit of a pain, but like, could you. If you cancel and blah, blah, blah, like, then you'll still be with me. So, like, those things could have happened. A lot of people did not stick around to even try the affiliate side. It was literally like the announcement happened. Anger, fear were out. And again, it was really hard. I can see how hard it was on everybody's side, but I was experiencing it too. And it was like. I don't know if it was just bad luck that I was. The launch that was coming up feels.
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B
Like pretty bad luck.
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A
I mean, it was pretty bad luck. Like, let's be honest, because it was like I somehow turned into the bad guy. I don't know why, but it was like, what? I don't know. I just, like, I turned it, like, imagine pouring two years of your heart and soul into learning and creating a program that nobody else has ever done. Like, there's all these little, take this pill for hormone health or do this thing for hormone, but there's no comprehensive program. And so I spent two years and all these people that have gone through the test group and all these people that cannot wait to get their hands on it. The announcement happens. They're like, we're out. We're not even sticking around for this affiliate thing. They're saying there's. That Bodi took away their way to make money, essentially implying that there was no way to keep selling. Even though there was the affiliate side that was going to be there. I know very different than building a team. But there was the affiliate side. But then to watch those same people go to other companies that had already possibly gone through my program, so had all the information and all the details of what my program was, and I'm watching them post on Facebook and Instagram. I'm over here and we're starting our own hormone health program with Pilates. I mean, I literally saw it, like, and I would, I would have to screenshot it and send it to legal and be like, can we make sure that they're not knocking off Bell? Because, like, that's two years of my hard work and, and the team's hard work and proprietary supplements and all this stuff. And, like, it felt like such a direct attack. It was like they knew Belvital was coming and that that might be a big thing that people wanted. And instead of being an affiliate and selling it, it was like, no, you, Body, we're gonna knock it off instead. I'm gonna go over here to this other company and we're gonna knock it off instead. And then I saw people using their before and afters from the test group and saying, and this is, I'm not talking about somebody that I'm close with. I'm talking about other people. Because I had a big test group. I had like 50 women that went over to other companies and were like, oh, come over here and do this five day hormone cleanse with me. And they're showing their before and afters. And I'm like, this is why I say it's. There's been a lot, because it's like, I'm not a lot. Like, I felt like I wasn't allowed to say anything. You're not allowed to have your feelings, Autumn. We're allowed to do whatever we need by all means necessary to make our income back because Body screwed us. Like, so I just was like, all I can do is my job.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And my job, by the way, in my eyes, is and always has been to help people improve their health. And that's what I'm always gonna keep doing. That's what, that's what, that's my love. That's my passion. That's what I want to do. And so did it suck? Does it suck? Yeah. Like, we should have been at Summit last week, right? It still is hard.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But it's business.
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B
Yeah. I think, I think, you know, in situations like this, it's hard because there's like, just factual truths. And then when people say, you know, well, this is my truth, or this is my, you know, what they're feeling. And so, you know, I'm such an empath. It's really a mind sometimes. But even though I, I, I get people's fear and frustration for the change, and even those words kind of feel like for some people, it doesn't do it justice. And you know, as a partner, I know that it's. It. It's scary. And sometimes doing the scary thing changes you. And so when someone starts as a partner partner, it's scary to send the first message and then to tell people that you're starting doing this challenge group and you're starting a business and you're partnering with this company using their programs and products and. And you encourage other people to follow in your footsteps. And so if I really put. Because I felt that and I partner, being a body partner was never my main source of income. So when I think about what some people out there, people I've never met, just thinking literally about the. Because at the height of it, there were 400,000 body coaches slash partners. I know that that feels. It makes sense to feel. Go through the phases of loss. And one of those is anger, of course, and to feel like your customers were stolen. But also. No. And so I just. I just want to say that to validate the feelings that anyone out there had. I do think. And again, I'm. I'm talking about people that I don't know. There's a few people who, like, I've only ever seen online who went really aggressive, really fast, and. And I didn't like that. But also because I'm someone who body changed my life. And it's not just with the partner opportunity. It was doing. Doing your program the first time. Yeah, I mean, that's when I was like, oh, this is really. This is amazing. And so anyways, it. For me, it was really difficult because I want. I was not gonna stop doing Bodi. To me, that was like, if they're there, if it's there, I'm doing it. And also, I love. I'm so familiar with the programs. I was like, I'm not gonna stop doing challenges. But I also really do empathize for anyone who really built the net a big network with Bodi. How that felt in that moment, I do hope, and this is just for people's healing in general, that most of those people. Because the fact is the majority of partners in Bodi were not very high up partners like there. There were a lot of people who were not even selling like I was. And so to. I hope that those people are still living their best life and they're maybe running challenge groups, because you can still run your own challenge group. You can do it for fun. You can. Whatever you can do however you want. And you can use the affiliate program with Bodi to share the programs. And the products that you love just like you always were. And so I hope that, I hope that people are doing that, but I hope those who. It really affected them losing the network partner. Network partner opportunity, that they do feel that they've. If that's what they love, that they found another place doing it. And maybe they're in hindsight, like, okay, my worst case scenario fears didn't come true and they can remember the years with Bodi more fondly because all I have are fond memories. All. And, and I'm still creating them. I'm still with Bodi, I'm still a part of that. But I mean, just thinking of that time, thinking of the summits, the super weekends and, and all of that energy, I'm holding on to that energy and that's what I bring to the table still in my challenges. And people come up to me still and recognize me from being in programs. And like someone said to me once, you know, it's a shame what happened with Bodi. And I said, well, what happened? Like, I. I know what happened, but.
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A
Right.
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B
I was just wondering what she thought happened. And she said, well, I don't know, but I think it just changed. And I said, well, part of it has changed, but you need to know. I said, I said, were you a body partner? She said, no. I said, well, it hasn't changed for you. There's still community, there's still programs. Everything that you loved about it is still there. So that's my truth. And, and I really do say that with holding space for. For everyone. But I. How could I be mad at something that changed my life this much for the better? The friends I've made, the experiences I've had all the things. But without body, I would not be sitting in this chair. I probably wouldn't know you and I might not live in la.
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A
And you wouldn't have your boyfriend.
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B
I would have my boyfriend. I mean, do I. I don't know if I. What would be going on in my life?
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A
Where. Where in the world would Donald be?
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B
Yeah.
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A
I do want to say, I hope that in trying to explain like all of this, right. This is. It's like a messy. There's not an easy way to talk through it all that. It doesn't sound like I am dismissing anybody's feelings because that is the last thing I would ever want somebody to think is that I was not empathetic towards how drastically that change affected people's lives.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because I very much am. And like I said, I very much feel for it. I'M just also trying to explain all the different emotions that I had going with it.
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B
I feel that. I don't think that you sound like you don't understand at all. And I think that people want. Listening, want to know how you felt in it, because you. You're like, you know, the face of body, but you aren't body corporate. You aren't body partner. And I think that. And also, you've changed so many lives. I mean, all the people who come up who are excited to meet me, they met me because they love your programs and they showed up to the program and I was just like a fun little bonus. Not one of the bonuses that you do that I hate.
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A
That you hate. Well, the other thing I want to say is that I know people are tuning in, waiting to see if we address relationships that have changed. And that is not something that. Besides what I'm saying right now, that is not something I will ever address or ever talk about. Yes, relationships have changed. That might be the most devastating part of it all for me.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I won't ever talk about it because I can absolutely hold space for those relationships and what they meant to me at the time.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And. Yeah, I don't. I can't. I can't. And I won't say anything negative other than I have loved every moment, every person I've gotten to meet, every stage I've gotten to be on, every story I've gotten to hear. I'm grateful for it all. It all makes us who we are today. Does my heart break for things changing? Of course. But if people were tuning in for tea or gossip.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Sorry, girls. They. You're not gonna get it on the. You're not gonna get it from me. That's just not something. I just can't ever bash things that. And people that meant the world to me for a decade.
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B
Yeah. Well, I appreciate you saying that. I've said a couple times, I'm not talking about anyone I know.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because some people might say, oh, I've seen. And they're very clearly talking about, you know. Like.
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A
Right.
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B
And it really. You know, when that announcement came, there were people's faces I didn't know existed. I was seeing Say wild things online. And I'm. I have not spoken about anyone that I know. But I am glad you said that because I think one of the. I'm happy. I want people to realize that there are just some things that don't need to be drama because it. It actually is. It was. It is. Was whatever very important and very tender. And I think, like, I've never, you know, I'm the kind of person, honestly, where I still wholeheartedly say that I love everyone I've dated. Because if you spend time with someone and if you love them, maybe it didn't work out, or maybe your lives came to a fork in the road and you had to go separate ways. But that person still was a big part of my life. And it's not just about respecting them. It's about respecting the part of me at that time.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So it's just onward and upward from here. But. But I have been getting so much life personally from the challenge you and I have been doing.
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A
So much fun.
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B
It's so much fun. And it's. It's the thing that I think people somehow, in all the commotion, thought was lost, that it. We get to say it's still here. The community, the support, the. The. Everything about it is still. Still here.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so it's been really good for me because it. It's hard. But I will say, like, even the fears Nell and I had, you guys, I, you know, we've talked about. We're both from all autumn, and I are both from Ohio. When I signed my first lease in la, I remembered thinking, am I out of my mind? I'm just. I might as well just move on the streets now. I can't afford this. And the. Then, like, every time I would sign a lease, I'd be like, autumn. But if goes bad, can I please again? So when the news came and the apartment and. And there was that fear, I'm happy to report, just like most fears that we have, our greatest fears didn't happen. Things are going great and we're keeping it moving. And Nell and I still go press play on body pretty much every day. So I love that we're here for it and, you know, thriving in our new lease.
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A
So I do love it. And I love everybody that is still here with us and still a part of the journey. You know, this is the next chapter. And I'm hopeful about it. Like, you know, cautiously optimistic, I guess you could say of, like, great, this is where we're headed. Like, I'm always gonna do what I said, which is my. My passion has and always will be to help people lead healthy, fulfilling lives. So I'm gonna do that to the best of my ability. No matter what, I hope that one day there's live events of some kind, whether it's being put on by Bodi or whether you and I are getting groups Together, because I do. You know, we did a Friends episode. I actually was thinking about this the other day. I have to say this. So yesterday I went down to El Segundo. There's a place called Love Life. It from the guy who started Whole Foods. So it's like a whole wellness center. And I went to go tour it because I might want to sign up down there because like full on longevity, doctors, functional medicine, gym, cryotherapy, cold plunge, hyperbaric, like you name it, they have it. And as I was like touring the facility because it's really big and it was like, oh, and here's our yoga and Pilates studio. And then here's the Pilates reformers classes and here's this. And I'm like, I might ask them if I can host a like a live one off workout here, like do an event. I mean it wouldn't be for hundreds, you know, we're in la and it would be for like whoever would be in the area. But I. Sometimes the hardest things open up new beautiful opportunities that you might not have thought about, like without being forced into being more creative or being more resourceful or thinking ahead and planning more. So I'm looking at it from all of those angles. Like, I have some things in the works that are outside of body that I'm really excited about. Like, hopefully by the fall there will be something launching that is out that is a thing outside of body. I don't want to say what it is yet, but. Okay, you know what?
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B
I know.
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A
Come on. I just want to get it done. But it, it's, you know, business. It takes a long time. So, yeah, I just, I look forward to whatever the next chapter brings. And I do wish everybody, no matter what people think, I really do wish success and happiness for everybody. I don't want to see anybody struggle. I don't want to see anybody fail. I want people to go out there and love life and live it big and bold and beautiful and happy in. In whatever way works for them.
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B
Yeah. And I want to say too, because this was a little bit of a weepy podcast.
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A
Sorry.
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B
No, no, it's good, actually. I was like, yes, this is good. This is good footage. I'm kidding. I'm totally kidding, you guys. But on a serious note, this isn't Morning Body. I still wholeheartedly love Bodi and Bodi is still very much around. It's just that shift was a really big shift and it did affect both of us emotionally. It caused us to look at a lot, face a lot of really big fears to strategize differently and also remind, like you said, you're going, no matter what, you're going to continue to. I forget your exact words. Help people live a healthier life or healthy, fulfilling life. Fulfilling life. And, and so that is like leaning into what I can control because there's some things that are just out of our control. But the things that I can is I'm going to show up for people just like I always have. And I know that you are. And I know that the thing that made me fall in love with fitness and this new lifestyle is still available to me. And that is, for me, that's found on Bodi right now, the specific programs and the all of that. So it's not that. That there's this sadness about Body, but it's the complications and weight that I think we've kind of kept inside in ways that just is. Pulls on some heartstrings.
- [48:06]
A
Yeah. Little cathartic episode for us. Get it out, process some feelings. But yeah, and listen, I think the way that we have now, we actually just switched over. So we actually just switched from Impact over to something called Social Ladder for the affiliate program. And if people have ever thought about it or wanted to do it or like just. Or are doing Bodi and are like, oh, well, I am telling my friends about it, so why not have a link? It is the easiest thing. Like, I was like, oh, we should have started with this. But you don't know what you don't know until you try. So Body didn't know trial and error. Yeah, well, you know, there's tons of companies that use Impact, so they used Impact and then there was some limitations that were getting frustrating. And so they switched over to this new platform called Social Ladder. We just switched over to it like two weeks ago. And it is so easy and anybody could sign up for it and you do as much as you want. So like if you love Energize, and you're always drinking Energize and you're talking about it and you want to be able to send somebody a link, whether it's on a social media or just in your regular life and text or whatever, like, do it. Everybody's doing it, right. I'm watching people on Instagram, I'm watching people on TikTok. You know, they. They link everything. So it's one more way. Nobody's saying it has to be your main source of income or whatever, but if you love doing the programs, if you love the supplements, if you love the Nutrition, the cookbooks, whatever it might be. Like, sign up.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, so many people, when they started, even when they started as the network. Right. Like, people would say, like, I just signed up because I needed to buy baby formula or diapers were expensive, or I just wanted to help contribute a little bit more to the groceries or whatever the household bill was. Like, a lot of people when they first started, they weren't. They weren't trying to become millionaires. They were just trying to make a little extra money.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And all I know is, lord help these times that we're in right now. A little extra money, A little extra dollar here and there. I know I can.
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B
And also with all that said, if you don't want to be an affiliate, send your friends and family to the Everything's Perfect podcast Instagram. We have our affiliate link linked and we'll hook you up.
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A
But you know what, D. Let's drop in the show notes. This is not like a shameless plug, but I guess it's a shameless plug. If people want to sign up for an affiliate, let's drop in the show notes the link to do it. Because sometimes people might just be like, well, I don't know where to go, so we'll drop it in the show notes. Signing up has nothing to do with me or Donald. We don't get paid. Nothing. It's all about you. That literally, you sign up, do what you want with it.
- [50:45]
B
Yeah.
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A
Put it there.
- [50:47]
B
Also, for new affiliates, Bodi is very good about, like, they. They are constant contacts and teaching. So you'll be. You'll be supported. If you're interested in it, you should do it.
- [50:58]
A
Yeah. And we're always here. If you have questions, you can email us at everything's perfect podcastmail.com. you can find us on social media. Everything's Perfect Official on the gram. One of these days, we're gonna set up a tick tock account.
- [51:12]
B
We swear. God, talk about trauma.
- [51:19]
A
We're gonna do it, Donald.
- [51:21]
B
We are. We got this.
- [51:22]
A
Yeah. But we appreciate you guys tuning in as always and we'll see you next week for another episode of Everything's Perfect.
- [51:30]
B
See you next time. Crying.